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Episode 161 - Bench, Keep, Sell PART 2!
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Southampton – We carry on with our disection of the current saints squad in a rather brutal Bench, Keep, Sell!
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Bench Keep Sell: Southampton Squad Review
00:00:08
Zak
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. We are, I guess, on part two of our bench keep cell of the current Southampton squad.
00:00:25
Zak
where we thought it was going to be a one-parter and then we managed to only get through the goalkeepers and defence. So here we are. Back to go through the rest of the squad. I'm joined by Oscar and Greg today. are you doing, guys?
00:00:39
Oscar
Yeah, okay, thank you
00:00:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, good, yeah.
00:00:42
Zak
Wonderful. So should we just start where we left off? Yeah?
Flynn Downs' Future: Ipswich Move and Valuation Debate
00:00:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Sounds good to me.
00:00:47
Zak
So, we finished off all of the offenders the last episode. So, let's start off with the first name of the list. A man who has brought controversy by trying to force through a move to Ipswich, um of all places.
00:01:01
Zak
a man who was Russell Martin's favourite. A man who we were all really excited when we finally got the signing over the line and how important it was going to be, but has proven to not really be... the key part of the puzzle.
00:01:13
Zak
Flynn Downs is who I'm talking about, if you haven't managed to guess that. 30k a week, apparently worth about 12.5 billion. I'm not really really sure of the valuation.
00:01:24
Zak
But um yeah, obviously, we were worried that Championship was his level. Is Championship his level? What do you think, Oscar? Oscar?
00:01:33
Oscar
um I think it's tricky. I mean, he would he perform better in a better team? I think that's maybe the question to ask. West Ham didn't seem particularly concerned about losing him. So um I agree with you that, you know, 12, I'm assuming you're saying 12 and a half seems not very much or a bit steep for him.
00:01:56
Zak
like can really work it out. with I guess it almost, for me now, feels a ah bit steep. like We're talking about a second, sort of third-hand player from West Ham that never broke into the side.
00:02:02
Oscar
um
00:02:07
Zak
Clearly loved the club but more than he wanted to be here.
00:02:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:02:09
Zak
like look He was throwing up iron sides before he joined it. so like you know that After a full season of us getting promoted. so like and like you know i'm not I'm not going to psychoanalyse all the little individual things that players do, but But yeah, it was kind of, I think that he was very much a all-in for Russell Martin.
00:02:25
Zak
And now Russell Martin's gone once again. And he demonstrated that. And he's made up with Juric a little bit. But it's kind of mad when you think that, like, i I still think that because he has spent so much of his career on loan,
00:02:39
Zak
you know, ah a wobbly six months, he kind of thinks he can just end it because you could just go back to your parent club.
00:02:42
Oscar
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:44
Zak
That isn't, that is how it works in the real world. So, where I'm at is if he has no interest in being here, is there any point in keeping him? I'd rather sell him. I don't know if we'd make the money back off of him. And also we're already, our midfield is already a point of concern anyway.
00:02:58
Zak
So I don't know who would replace it with, but yeah, I guess I've just been disappointed.
00:03:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
It'll be interesting as well if it's like a personal clash more than anything. if I mean, we're going to be changing managers presumably anyway. So wonder if the manager coming in is is going to be slightly more personable to him.
00:03:10
Zak
I hope so.
00:03:11
Oscar
yeah
00:03:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
But he was such a key part of the the championship team that got us promotion. It would be nice to... almost see that redemption arc and see that come to fruition again.
00:03:25
Zak
it so it's the
00:03:25
Oscar
Yeah, that's it. i'm um'm I'm on the same boat. I think he was, for me, he was our most important player last season in the Championship. And if that is level, then that is his level, then that's fine.
00:03:36
Oscar
But um we are at that level again next season. So I think we keep him again. And And, um you know, unless someone comes in and offers silly money, but at the minute, who's going to do that? I mean, the only people that were looking at him in January were Ipswich.
00:03:51
Oscar
um In reality, if he's looking at that next tier of club clubs, Wolves, you know, maybe West Ham are even in that, but they're clearly not interested. Maybe they're a little bit higher. But, yeah, I'd i'd be keeping him um if unless unless we could at least recoup what we paid, if not a little bit more, because he's still...
00:04:11
Zak
think I think that's our first big split of opinion because, yeah, I'm kind of...
00:04:11
Oscar
but
00:04:14
Zak
I think I'm still a little bit sour about the whole affair and, like, I also think that he was very much a Russell Martin player for a Russell Martin system and I worry that how much bad blood there is and and how much... you know if if he's if he's clocked out, we have had so many passengers over the last couple of seasons. So many players that just hear that then get shipped out on the loan.
00:04:36
Zak
In my mind, even starts with people like Mario Lamina, right? like hadda Had an annoying season and then just went out on loan until finally left. And I worry that that is now how Flynn is going to be.
00:04:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:04:47
Zak
i would love to be proven wrong. But again, like I think if an offer comes in and he goes, I don't i want to leave... would be silly to just try and make him stay because I don't think it make much of a difference, but I guess that's fine.
Matty Fernandes: Key Player Debate
00:04:58
Zak
So moving on from Flynn downs, um,
00:05:02
Zak
A man who has somehow been like our ah just our best midfielder slash best player slash somebody early on in the season Greg recognised was going to overtake the hype of Tyler Dibling eventually, um which is, of course, Matty Fernandes.
00:05:16
Zak
because like I kind of saw glimpses of it, but I don't think I saw the beginning quite what Greg had seen. And now we're getting, as we're going on, we're starting realise he's our best player. And then obviously having him shipped at halftime at Wolves by Juric is really what I think started to turn where you started hearing all of the you don't know what you're doing chance, right? Like that, that was the moment you upset the fan base.
00:05:37
Zak
So obviously, I think we're all in agreement, keep, right? Especially on 20k a week. Like, it's not going happen, I think. But we all want to keep him, right, Greg? Yeah.
00:05:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, yeah, 100%. I don't know if that's something we're going to be able to do, but yeah, keep button on repeat. Smash, smash, smash, smash, 100%.
00:05:57
Zak
And I'm assuming you're the same Oscar.
00:06:00
Oscar
Definitely, like attitude seems to be good. He hasn't he hasn't thrown toys out the pram at any point, which he more he he definitely could have.
00:06:06
Zak
Could have, so could have.
00:06:08
Oscar
I would be expecting significantly more than he's apparently valued at, but maybe that's a reflection of that... of that He has gone a little bit under the radar and I'm surprised that other clubs haven't, that rumours haven't been swirling um around him because, as I say, he's been comfortably our best player this season, in my opinion.
00:06:26
Oscar
And, you know, he's not on a huge amount of money. He's got ah he's got a really big ceiling. You know, from his perspective, it'd probably be quite educational. He's got plenty of time in his career. Probably but quite good education for him in the Championship.
00:06:38
Oscar
So...
00:06:38
Zak
Plus, getting it's getting starts. It's playing consistently, right? And I think that it's almost a blessing in disguise that there's been such a focus on sort of a young English lad coming through the academy and this, and the other, and Tyler Dibbling, that it's kind of taken the sights off of him a little bit.
00:06:53
Zak
Obviously, we've still got summer to come. that might We might be chatting absolute BS and it comes to summer and all of a sudden there's a bidding war around him. But yeah, I really do hope that we keep hold of him. think he's been a great player for us.
00:07:04
Oscar
i think so I think it's something for Flynn Downs to look at as well. and you know he He can't exactly claim that he's been better than Fernandes and how much has Fernandes tried to try to force anything.
00:07:11
Zak
yeah
00:07:15
Oscar
And you know as a result of it, he probably looks better in the eyes of other clubs that are going to be looking.
Will Smallbone's Contributions and Future
00:07:20
Oscar
So, you know, yeah, I think definitely if we can, we keep him.
00:07:22
Zak
agreed right right so moving on um he's divided opinion he's divided opinion on this podcast i don't really still know how i feel about him as a player think he's a lovely bloke but we're smallbone um
00:07:35
Zak
Bench question mark? Like that's kind of where I'm at. Yeah.
00:07:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm going to throw out an opinion that might surprise people, but I think keep, I think that, yeah, I think that at that level, he is a very good player.
00:07:44
Zak
you know
00:07:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Showed that for us last season and show something under each manager that makes him keep being selected. ah He's got a good attitude. We've seen that.
00:08:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
He always puts his all in and, I think it makes sense that you keep someone like that around, especially someone who has such longevity at the club and sort of understands what it means to be in that position.
00:08:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
The Championship's a good level for him. Whether he will step up the season after, I don't know. But for next season, definitely keep.
00:08:21
Oscar
Yeah, i'd I'd be on the same boat. I know he gets a tough rap, but he's also um you know a homegrown player, an academy player. um He's come through the system. So, yeah, again, for me, ah he's not on tremendous amounts of money.
00:08:37
Oscar
For what you're going to sell him for, is he going to would he be worth...
00:08:41
Oscar
We'd have to play more pay more to replace him.
00:08:41
Zak
i okay what Where's he going to go?
00:08:44
Zak
it' It's going to be another championship.
00:08:44
Oscar
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:45
Zak
It'll be a sidestep, wouldn't it, the end of the day?
00:08:48
Oscar
Yeah. Yeah, so I think, at least for this season, you keep him, and then when you go back to the Premier League, you if you go back to the Premier League, in the unlikely event maybe, um then you re-evaluate.
00:08:59
Zak
Okay, totally. Right, so I guess um we'll leave it there for the time being, and we'll have a short break. ah from ah You'll hear a little bit from our partners at Bionic.
00:09:52
Zak
And we are back.
Joe Aribo's Versatility and Potential Move
00:09:53
Zak
We are on to the next man who, by the looks of it, is like our second highest owner, which surprises me, but also I guess not because he did join from Rangers as quite an illustrious player at the time.
00:10:07
Zak
ah Joe Aribo, who we've discussed how hot and cold he's been um from my personal opinion.
00:10:15
Zak
I kind of feel like, if from what I've heard on the grapevine, he kind of wants out. And I don't really blame him because he's had weird few seasons, this season specifically as well, where he's been played from attacking mid to defensive mid to midfielder to centre-back for a few reasons. And, you know, even even though <unk> he's put as much work as he can in to playing that position well, right?
00:10:40
Zak
But... I would sell him if we could get any money just for the simple case that I think he kind of wants to go. And I think it would be right to kind of start to rebuild parts of our midfield, right?
00:10:51
Zak
um It would be sad because his song is really cool and he's a good player and he's been a good guy. But I just think that if his head is very much already turned and we only have a year afterwards left, we have made the mistake too many times of not cashing in early enough.
00:11:08
Zak
so and I doubt he'd want to sign a new one if we're going down again, if I'm totally honest. So i would sell. What about you, Oscar?
00:11:17
Oscar
Yeah, I think I'm in the same boat, to be honest. If, again, valued at about £5 million, apparently, I'd say if you could get anything between £2 and £5. Given that he's on £70,000 a week as well, that's a significant chunk off the wage bill.
00:11:31
Zak
Huge amount of...
00:11:31
Oscar
um For someone who... No, he's been a good player. um my My question with him would be who's who's coming for him? who Who would want him? is he Is it going to be a Premier League team? Could you maybe have championed a championship team coming up?
00:11:45
Oscar
Maybe if it's a good, if it's available on a, on a cheap deal. But again, that those wages could be interesting. Could he go back to Scotland? Maybe. Yeah.
00:11:56
Oscar
up
00:11:56
Zak
Russell Martin goes to Rangers.
00:11:58
Oscar
Yeah. Well, there's a possibility. yet Possibility. Again, it's one of those. I don't really know. know, suppose he's versatile, but a bit of a, he's a slightly better version of Will Smallbone. And what I mean by that is a bit of a jack of all trades, but master of none. He's not,
00:11:58
Zak
Rangers pick up to Eribo.
00:12:15
Oscar
you know You're not signing him. Are you signing him for athleticism, physicality? Not really. you signing him for unbelievable passing? Not really. like I think I wouldn't be massively concerned if he stayed.
00:12:28
Oscar
I think there'd be a place for him.
00:12:28
Zak
yeah
00:12:29
Oscar
But if the option's there, again, given the wages mainly, i would i would take...
00:12:33
Zak
Yeah, I agree. if If the wages are accurate and he is our like second best paid player by far, I don't know how much that's worth it. And I know that, Greg, you might say, oh, well, he's our top goal scorer.
00:12:45
Zak
Well, actually, now he's joined with Torquil.
00:12:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:12:47
Zak
And on top of that, like three goals in a season, in my opinion, isn't just because you're top of top of like the bad pile doesn't make it like it's an outstanding stat, is it?
00:12:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
it No.
00:12:59
Zak
Do you what mean? Are you in the same boat?
00:13:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
but um um Yeah, I'm in absolute agreement.
00:13:01
Zak
Yeah.
00:13:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
I would not be offended in the slightest if he does stay and plays a part next season, but cash in if you can and rebuild.
00:13:12
Zak
yeah
00:13:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah He's another player like we talked about um in the last part where he does seem to, he was always a hot and cold player anyway, but also you need to remember that even in the hot parts of that, he's been a part of both relegation seasons.
00:13:22
Zak
Yes.
00:13:29
Zak
Yes. That's the other key thing, right? Like it's it's trying to flush out that mentality and, you know, regardless of the experience of good, it's exactly what we were talking about with Jan as well, right? So, right, moving on.
00:13:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:13:42
Zak
ah controversial when he came back anyway, an older gentleman, um, I don't think he's been on the pitch as much as... Looking at the stats of how many times he's played, I feel like I don't believe it because I just don't remember seeing
Adam Lallana: Contribution and Coaching Potential
00:13:55
Zak
him.
00:13:56
Zak
And for someone that I remember you said, Greg, changes games, it's not resulted in us winning any of them. um So it's Adam Lallana, obviously, who, whilst he's a fantastic player, feels like he has kind of run out of steam to play football regularly.
00:14:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:14:13
Zak
And I do not think that 45k week... kind of week And just the contribution in general, like maybe the off the pitch stuff is more important than we think, but at the same time, we're bottom and on track to be the worst Premier League team of all time.
00:14:29
Zak
I understand why they made the decision when he was out of contract to to bring him in. And I, but I don't, really see at the moment what he's offering.
00:14:41
Zak
So I would sell, but no one's going to buy him because unless they want five minutes of an appearance every other day, What do we what' we think? he was obviously It was a controversial move of him coming back anyway, right? Because of the way he left. But I think he's like a nice guy. I'm really glad.
00:14:56
Zak
It's nice to have him at the club again. But it's like, it feels like one of those football manager signings when you hire someone over 30 to get like two goals in the season. And he's not even managed that.
00:15:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll hop in my opinion ah i'm going to throw in the fourth option realistically which I think is probably keep but not in a playing capacity if he wants to be involved as like something in the academy or some form of backroom coach fantastic more more power to him
00:15:23
Zak
Is it, though? Because it just feels like... I don't understand where we're getting this idea that suddenly he's an incredible coach. Like, I don't...
00:15:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think he's incredible but he is ah ah a very experienced player who has an interest in coaching has done coaching courses and ah was a has played at the top level and has a knowledge of coming through specifically our club's academy.
00:15:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
and You know, being involved with the club doesn't necessarily mean as a first team coach. There are a number of things. He he has a... You can see when he plays on the pitch, he's got a brilliant footballing mind.
00:15:57
Zak
it intelligent, right? He's very footballing intelligent.
00:15:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it's a real football intelligence. So if you can... try and impart some of that wisdom and knowledge onto, ah be it first team players or the players of tomorrow, then fantastic.
00:16:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
But yeah.
00:16:12
Oscar
Yeah, i think I think that's the reason he came back. I think he was going to come back um before he went to Brighton or wanted to come back because his boys at the academy as well.
00:16:22
Oscar
So ah I think that is part of the reason that he wants to come back.
00:16:23
Zak
Interesting.
00:16:27
Oscar
I think it made sense from a perspective of the club. We needed quality, probably a sort of player that would have suited Russell Martin's system if he'd actually ever played in it. it um And again, that experience of being a Premier League player, does he have the experience of being a championship player?
00:16:44
Oscar
Is he going to be able to play in the championship with how intense? And, you know, I know the Premier League's intense as well, but yeah.
00:16:49
Zak
I think it's just the lack of appearances for me is is really what's done it. And it's it's kind of like, I wouldn't be offended if he was in a non-playing capacity. The only reason I say that I'm worried is that you look at a lot of players that have been fantastic that have just immediately done like dived straight into coaching.
00:17:05
Zak
Admittedly, some of them have dived straight into management, which is probably the wrong way of doing it. But it it makes me very nervous that it's like, oh, just because it's quite a well-known name, all of a sudden he gets quite a prominent position. It's like when people are talking about him taking over from Juric for the rest of the season. and It's like, what?
00:17:21
Zak
but
00:17:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
i think but I think it's different if um his sort of aim has been to head towards coaching for for a while now and so he'll have been working towards that it's not just like hoprov high profile name gets management it's not like Ruvanis or Rui jumping in and getting like a high profile job at Leicester.
00:17:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's a player who, you know, has a goal and has worked towards it. And, you know, you know a place in in some form, like I say, not necessarily even with the first team, but in some capacity, there's there's value to be sought there.
00:17:50
Oscar
Yeah.
00:17:53
Oscar
I think it's valuable as well to look after your ex-players when they retire. Firstly, you know, they're all right, Lallana may be a bit divisive, but they're popular figures. You know, I was really behind the fact that Kelvin Davis came back in and was part of it. I know he's not anymore, but, um you know, and ah and maybe it's just a nostalgic thing, but it's always the first thing I do. If I play football manager, you get the old boys, the old guard back in.
00:18:13
Oscar
know Ricky Lambert's doing a bit of coaching, but I'm not sure how well that would influence him.
00:18:13
Zak
But yeah, I think that's our...
00:18:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:18:16
Zak
For me, it's one of our fundamental problems as a club. is that like It's like if I see another news story about Danny Ings coming back to resolve all our st striker problems, we get very, very hung up on sort of the players that are going...
00:18:28
Zak
You know, we did did the same with Theo Walcott. Admittedly, Theo Walcott did score a few goals and to be honest, probably said the fitness to do it another year or two in it. But it is a... For me, it is a worry that we we very much remain stuck in a period of time we're doing really well, which makes sense. But...
00:18:43
Zak
people kind of forget the ravages of time catch up with us all.
00:18:47
Oscar
I don't disagree. I would have been much more inclined to have kept Walcott in the Championship last season than I would to keep Lallana now. I just, I don't think, yeah, i I don't think, yeah, I would be on the same, but I'd be i'd be released.
00:18:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:18:59
Oscar
I don't think he justifies the wages unless it's in, you know, coaching capacity and maybe in a significantly reduced wage.
00:19:03
Zak
Non-playing capacity. That makes sense.
00:19:07
Oscar
Or pay as you play, maybe.
00:19:09
Zak
Rightio. So, next one. Another controversial figure around the club a little bit has kind of broken through in the last under Juric, which is a surprise, is Suleymane, who my image of him this season was him being put on finally against Tottenham and being hooked off after four goals down in 25 minutes, much to the anger in what turned out to be, you know, a pretty much Russell Martin's last
00:19:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
Suleymane's Performances and Injury Concerns
00:19:37
Zak
dance.
00:19:37
Zak
So, Obviously, under Juric, he's done a lot better. Still nothing outstanding. I still think trying to say that you're silencing the haters when you're going against Swansea in a cup game isn't isn't quite the same as being able to consistently perform and score week in, week out.
00:19:54
Zak
um Only £40,000 a year though. If he could light up the championship the way we wanted him to last time without disappearing for a big injury, i would keep him.
00:20:06
Zak
Do I think he's already out the door in my mind? Yeah, probably. So yeah, I would keep, but I don't feel like that's going to be a thing that actually happens. So what's our feelings, boys?
00:20:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
sell if anyone will have him, ah ASAP. It's basically Moussa Gineppo version two.
00:20:27
Zak
Wow. Okay, so so we're not we're we're not back on board the Silamana train anymore.
00:20:28
Oscar
Yeah.
00:20:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
a fair play for putting an effort in with the new manager. And to be fair, his work rate, um, has greatly improved, and which is maybe one of the things that annoyed me most about him previously. But, uh,
00:20:45
Zak
It's not resulted in anything, has it, is the problem?
00:20:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah ah yeah I don't see a proven track record of quality there. ah Yeah, not for me.
00:20:51
Oscar
Yeah, no, I'd agree. I think ah think he's had enough opportunities to show what he can do. He's had injury problems as well. you know and know they said that none of that's to do with attitude, but he didn't particularly apply anything in the Championship.
00:21:06
Oscar
um He seems to be a little bit better in the Premier League. But um for me, if the right offer came in, um I would take it. And that's, you know, £8 million.
00:21:16
Zak
So high evaluation, yeah. So his valuation of 11, I think, is quite high because I'm like, who's paying for a player that's quite that injury-prone?
00:21:17
Oscar
Yeah.
00:21:20
Oscar
Yeah.
00:21:23
Zak
But also, he's still got that echolade of being the fastest player in the World Cup that still gets brought up consistently if you're you ever watch any broadcasting.
00:21:29
Oscar
Yeah, well, that's it. and
00:21:31
Zak
Mm-hmm.
00:21:31
Oscar
And even though he hasn't really set the world at light, he's still young. He's not on great amount of wages. he you know He probably will be keen to move. I think Everton was sniffing quite heavily. Maybe that was before Moyes came back in. I don't know.
00:21:44
Oscar
So, again, if the option comes up and it's something that is it reasonable but of about money, I would i would take it.
00:21:51
Zak
Indeed. Right. So one more before we take a little bit of a break. And that is the truly forgotten man, um Ryan Fraser, who was on
Ryan Fraser: Role and Championship Experience
00:22:00
Zak
40k a week. So the same amount was to the matter.
00:22:03
Zak
Obviously, 31 years of age. We signed in, for remember rightly, deadline day. Me and Greg text each other going, oh, is it bad that I kind of forgot?
00:22:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:22:12
Zak
that he was like on the cards because obviously it took so long get over the line. There's the whole thing about the breaking contract. There's the whole thing about attitude problems and this and the other. He didn't really play for a few... He played a couple of times. He had that kind of controversial game at Leicester where he got a red card and everyone said that he was the worst player of all time. And ah think I think was exceedingly harsh.
00:22:31
Zak
But then disappeared off the face of the earth, made like a sub appearance at once. And then Juric has just said he just doesn't fit into his plans tactically. Feel like he's just a bit of a journeyman.
00:22:42
Zak
Did we all think this was going to happen when we decided to sign him again? Yeah.
00:22:47
Oscar
Yes.
00:22:47
Zak
I'm kind of there.
00:22:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
it It's one of those, right, where he was brought back because he was one of the lads' best mates with Adam Armstrong, who notably is not in our dressing room anymore.
00:22:57
Zak
Not here.
00:22:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, ah yeah. um It's tricky one, isn't it?
00:23:04
Zak
So, but where to?
00:23:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
looked Yeah, Sale or Bench, like he he proved last year that he can be a positive option off the bench in the Championship.
00:23:07
Zak
Or bench, maybe?
00:23:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
So... Maybe that is the place for him, but don't know.
00:23:21
Oscar
Yeah, I'd probably be in the same boat where I'd keep him for that reason. um he can have He has proven at that level, probably another one of those sort of in the in-betweeners um where they're not quite good enough for the Premier League, but they're a good player in the Championship.
00:23:37
Oscar
His age, obviously, is a factor. And being a winger at that age, you that's what tends to go first is your speed. I would probably, I would keep him unless if an offer came in, again, it says he's worth two and a million.
00:23:49
Oscar
if an offer came in for half of that, I'd probably take it. Um, but if not, you know, again, it's experience. It's he, for all his, uh, for all the saying that he was a bad attitude at Newcastle and Bournemouth, we haven't really seen it from what, you know, unless it's behind the scenes.
00:24:05
Zak
No.
00:24:08
Oscar
Um, cause you know that maybe there's a reason he's not playing, but, um, he's not really shown it in Southampton just yet. So yeah, for me, keep him unless something comes in.
00:24:18
Oscar
um
00:24:19
Zak
yeah had that one game that Martin started him and then hooked him off after 30 minutes. And it turns out that he really desperately wanted to play and had a horrific virus, which is when I think our whole team got hit by illness over the space for about a week.
00:24:27
Oscar
Mm-hmm.
00:24:30
Zak
So, like yeah, i don't I don't hold anything against him.
00:24:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Where
00:24:33
Zak
As said, I'd bench him, but i just I don't see anyone coming in to buy him, realistically, is is the other thing. So it might be just someone useful to have on the bench and maybe we'll see him a bit more next season.
00:24:43
Zak
and um Maybe we won't. So moving on to Starboy, Mr Tyler Dibbling.
Tyler Dibbling: Contract Situation and Future Impact
00:24:49
Zak
I've seen 19 years old, apparently on 5k a week, which is a lot for being 19, but not a lot for where his ceiling is, right?
00:24:58
Zak
He is our highest valued player as well at 21 million.
00:24:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
is going? He's had a new contract in front of him, right? So that wage would be set to increase if he signed and decided to stay on.
00:25:03
Zak
Yes, for a while now, So so it's a lot, doesn't it really?
00:25:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
And maybe him not signing that ah is is an answer to the question, but...
00:25:15
Oscar
it It is. I think that's what the club is saying is that they try they they have an option to to extend his contract. So it's if they if they want to extend it, they can.
00:25:27
Oscar
But they're trying to say that his wage isn't reflective of um of what he's contributing now because he's now a first-team player rather than that would have probably been his academy or his third-year pro or whatever. but um So, yeah, you know from from an agent's perspective...
00:25:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:25:44
Oscar
you probably are saying, well, let's just wait and see what's out there. um and see what comes about. And the club probably aren't too worried about that in the long, because if they want to keep him for next year, they can just activate the clause. But it's one of those, then you've got a player, if that he does want to go, he doesn't really want to be there and it's just going to cause more harm than good. But I think they have to be really cautious, the representatives of of Dibbling, because, so you know, he's obviously been out and tried it once before, not enjoyed it and ended up coming back.
00:26:13
Oscar
It's not as easy to do that when there's big money involved. So,
00:26:16
Zak
Exactly. And I would keep him, but I do not know how I feel when it comes to somebody that doesn't want to be here. And I can understand if a big club comes in with a big offer, how your head can be turned. i think i i kind of know what your feelings are, Greg. I think you said a year would do him good in the championship and then go from there. But it's going to be difficult when we get to summer and all of a sudden, you know, he's going to have to think about what he wants to do. And he is, unfortunately, you know, whether he's a young player English talent who unfortunately that is going to put a lot of pressure on him whether he likes or not as i said he's probably the reason that Fernandes has fallen on under the radar right
00:26:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I yeah ah would love to see him in the championship. I'd love to see us keep sounds like the power might be in the club's hands for a change, but realistically, if someone comes in for I'd say probably anything north of like 35 million.
00:27:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah You'd be stupid not to take it.
00:27:13
Zak
so um Yeah, in agreement. So obviously we've got through most of our midfielders, most of our wingers, and we'll move on to couple our forwards after a word from our partners at Zencastr.
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00:27:48
Zak
And we are back. So going on to a really small amount of forwards.
Cameron Archer: Performance and Goal-Scoring Potential
00:27:55
Zak
We're actually at the club, which is why when you think about it. So starting off with 23-year-old Cameron Archer,
00:28:02
Zak
He's on apparently 40k a week and is valued at about 11.7 million pounds. Greg, you you have always been a big advocate of Cameron Archer and you said that he does a lot of work and he just hasn't quite found his scoring boots and quite found his shooting boots. And I think he's still our top scorer if you include all competitions, right?
00:28:21
Zak
So there are goals there, which is not seeing him, but then again, we're not really seeing him.
00:28:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. ah i What I see is he is a player that wants to make the runs and make the moves and just doesn't get the service, um probably due to the fact that no one else on the team makes those runs or moves. um It's a really tricky one. He's a player who who will thrive from a run of games.
00:28:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's a player who, if given the opportunity, should, in theory, absolutely tear the championship up and be one of the top scorers. If we play, in a style that will suit him.
00:29:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that really, I guess, is the question mark for me. Personally, I would ah keep and play to that ah because we're not exactly thriving with striker options.
00:29:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
um And that's ah a hard market to break into. um But yeah, I would i would keep.
00:29:17
Oscar
Yeah, I think i'm in I'm in agreement. I think there is a... He is probably, from what I've seen, his movement and his instincts, he is more of a goal scorer than anyone we've had since Danny Ings.
00:29:31
Oscar
um Obviously not necessarily proven that yet. He hasn't really been given a run of games to do that. And strikers often, I think you need that um just to build that bit of consistency.
00:29:41
Zak
confidence, isn't it?
00:29:42
Oscar
What I'd say from hit his perspective, he left Sheffield last year, presumably because he thought he was able to cut it in the Premier League. He hasn't proven that again.
00:29:53
Oscar
are a Premier League club going to take a punt on that? Are Sheffield, could they go back up and take another punt on the end um him? um For me, I think as a striker, you he needs to get that confidence having a good run of games, ah good run of goal-scoring season, um ah good goal-scoring season,
00:30:11
Oscar
before he can then earn that opportunity to play in the Premier League again, in my eyes. um You know, obviously someone might take a punt and think he's worth he's worth the gamble, but that gamble has been taken twice and not.
00:30:24
Oscar
There's a reason that Villa were willing to let him go.
00:30:27
Oscar
So I think for me, it makes sense for the club.
00:30:27
Zak
Yeah.
00:30:27
Zak
Thank you.
00:30:33
Oscar
It makes sense for the player. It's just with whether he's got the patience for it because, you know, there was rumours of him leaving towards the end of the window. I wonder if he would have been interested in doing that um or maybe instigating it.
00:30:46
Zak
thank you really depends who comes in, really depends on if he's already made his mind up before we have a new manager, because we're all still hoping that that is the case, then um I think that that will be the key deciding factor, right?
00:30:58
Zak
ah But I'd like to keep him. I think he's he's a good he's a good player. And I think that, yeah, he's just, he's really, really struggled to get the service or the game time, especially considering the game time he did get was a lot of under the Russell Martin sort of system where just wasn't working.
00:31:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. And you can see that he's a player willing to get himself in those positions because he misses chances, which is more than anything you can say for the rest of the team.
00:31:15
Zak
So,
00:31:20
Zak
Yes, which is more than most of our players. Yeah.
00:31:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right. So I like sure he's not. So he's not going to be like a 100 percent hit rate player. But getting into those positions, I mean, what's our is our combined XG for the season ah even worth thinking about, like?
00:31:38
Zak
Not even slightly. Right, moving on.
Paul Onuachu and Ross Stewart: Staying or Leaving?
00:31:42
Zak
To Paul, the redemption arc that we truly hoped would take place. And I guess kind of has. He scored three goals in the Premier League, which is more than he'd scored the entirety of the the campaign previously. 30 years old, thirty k a week, supposedly valued at about 7 million because I guess just because of the strike attacks.
00:32:01
Zak
We keeping him or we selling him? Because I don't really know how I feel. um I don't really know if he's going to improve.
00:32:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
I know how I feel. Sell, sell, sell. If anyone will have him ASAP. I mean, of his three goals, two of them were accidents. And like, sure, there's something to be said from like being in the right place to trip over the ball and put the ball in the net.
00:32:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
But just...
00:32:27
Zak
It's still not, it doesn't scream confidence, does it?
00:32:28
Oscar
I'd actually argue, you know, from from you look at his goals compilations, even when he was at Genk, like quite a lot of them look like they're accidents, to be honest.
00:32:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:32:37
Oscar
Yeah.
00:32:37
Zak
Yeah, I guess that's ah that's a real simple one. I'm kind of on the fence, but you both are so-so-so.
00:32:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:32:42
Oscar
i I think, don't get me wrong, I think he he surely could score goals in the Championship, but he didn't have much of an appetite for it last time.
00:32:51
Zak
Yeah, he did. He went off straight away, so wouldn't be.
00:32:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:32:52
Oscar
He quite... I think there's clearly Tresponse for, I think, have expressed quite a lot of an interest, whether we've burned that bridge now or not. Maybe there's another Turkish club that he seems to quite like playing in Turkey.
00:33:06
Oscar
There's another Turkish club that that might be able to take him off our of our wage books.
00:33:11
Zak
Not saying the level is lower, but let's face it, it's a bit lower. Right.
00:33:15
Oscar
Yeah, it's been pretty similar.
00:33:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:33:18
Zak
So, moving on. So, that's that's two of our strikers that we currently have at the club. Let's talk about the third, who seems to be taking up most of our medical bill. £20,000 a week, 28 years old, Loch Ness Drogba, £3.75 million Yeah.
00:33:33
Zak
um Oh, Ross Stewart, it just hasn't worked out, mate. Off you go to wherever you'd like to go. i feel i feel bad for him more than anything. I feel like it was a dumb decision by the club to take a punt on a very injured player.
00:33:46
Zak
I feel like you could tell that one game he started that he then had to go off at, which i'm relatively sure was Liverpool, right? That's why Onoachi got game time that game. And the the story ended up being Onoachi's step overs as opposed to Ross Stewart's injury. And then ever since, you know, the manager that brought him in has gone and we've not heard a peep.
00:34:04
Zak
We keep, you know, whenever Juric has asked, how's the squad, everyone fit and healthy? Yep. And then you're like, you look on the team sheet, you're not there. So is he is he fit and healthy? Is he right now? What's going on?
00:34:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
I actually saw an article in the Sunderland Echo yesterday that he's been injured again. So...
00:34:20
Zak
It's great that we found out from the Sunderland Echo.
00:34:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I mean, look, and there might not be anything in it and that they might have just, like, ah thrown it out there and... Well, this has a pretty high likelihood of being true, but...
00:34:32
Oscar
ah
00:34:34
Oscar
Yeah, no, I think I read something as well that he, when he played for the 21s, he played 45 minutes and it wasn't necessarily an injury. It was a, um it was a, like something flared up and they it was a precautionary.
00:34:49
Oscar
That's the word I was looking for.
00:34:50
Zak
That's always a worry, isn't
00:34:51
Oscar
But still. Okay.
00:34:52
Zak
and see we Do we think that's going to get better? Because we didn't last season.
00:34:55
Oscar
Again, I think with him, it's one of those, I know you can absolutely slam Sports Republic for it, but again, it's a risk reward. He was a low, he was a risk because he was, we took the risk because he was a high goal scoring potential striker, which we needed in the championship for relatively low money.
00:35:12
Zak
ye
00:35:13
Oscar
and it didn't work. We tried it with Danny Ings and it really did work. um So I think it just swings around about, it's like, yeah, okay, you can absolutely nail him for it, but actually it's just one of those, it hasn't worked. So I would be in agreement.
00:35:26
Oscar
If we can sell him, sell him. Who's buying him with that injury record though?
00:35:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
One of the NHS teams.
00:35:32
Zak
you go.
00:35:34
Oscar
Yeah.
00:35:36
Zak
oh so yes's to be fair, we had Chey McAdams at the time that wasn't putting anything away, so I can understand the
Adam Armstrong and Ben Brereton-Diaz: Return and Loan Success
00:35:44
Zak
The sentiment. Right, so we've got a couple more players out on loan and then we'll we'll wrap up.
00:35:49
Zak
So I'll try and get these through in a slightly quicker way. So Adam Armstrong, 30k a week, £13 million. pounds Didn't expect him to go out on loan, if I'm totally honest. He was playing quite a lot of games.
00:35:59
Zak
He was getting time.
00:36:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
if
00:36:01
Zak
Seems to be struggling under the baggies though. Had a dream debut and then since then scored a pen. And now he's in supposedly his freshwater area and just not working out the way thought it was going to work out. So what we do with Adam Armstrong?
00:36:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Keep for me if he wants to stay 100% Yeah
00:36:20
Oscar
Yeah, I'd agree. Proven in that league.
00:36:22
Zak
All right, good. Very good. Good, we're glad we're in agreement. I miss having striker. Maybe if we play him as a striker, he might actually score some goals.
00:36:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:36:29
Zak
Who knows?
00:36:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Him and Archer might actually be a good combination together at that level as well.
00:36:34
Zak
Yeah, because I remember you said you didn't like seeing them you didn't see it like seeing them together in the Prem, just because the ball was never getting to them.
00:36:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Push the back line.
00:36:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:36:41
Zak
But it might be decent, because they both do similar sort of things.
00:36:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Couple of people that are willing to run at and run in behind defenders is pretty much what you need at that level in the championship. Just ah apply as much pressure as possible and hope you get something from it. And they're both players that are good at that.
00:36:55
Zak
So speaking of strikers...
00:36:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Something that Diblin and Suleyman are both good at as well to
00:37:00
Zak
Oh, yeah, that's true.
00:37:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
letters in their cameras.
00:37:02
Zak
sorry Sorry to cut you off there, Greg. Apologies.
00:37:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Sorry.
00:37:04
Zak
Just realized we're very, very overrun on time. This could have been three. We've all got enough to say. um Ben Brereton-Diaz, 25 years old, which I'm baffling because I thought he was about 30.
00:37:19
Zak
35 grand a week. <unk> Valuation of 7 million. So he might end up going for like 10 if Sheffield United decide to buy him. And they seem to love him there and he seems to love it there.
00:37:31
Zak
But also part of it I heard across the grapevine was him wanting to prove that he's a good enough player for us. If we play him in the right position, will he get better? What do we do with Ben Burris and Diaz?
00:37:41
Zak
If Sheffield trigger that option, I'm not going to be upset, but I'll happily keep on the bench.
00:37:45
Oscar
No. if
00:37:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
now Yeah.
00:37:48
Zak
No?
00:37:49
Oscar
I'd agree. I think Sal, if there's any option to sell him, sell him. But at the same time, he is proven in the championship. So a bit like Adam Armstrong, if the right offer came in, and you might consider it.
00:37:59
Zak
Also, if we start playing players in the positions that they play in, they might do better.
00:38:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Baffling concept for modern managers that, mate.
00:38:07
Zak
Oh, that's ah that's crazy. I know that everyone was...
00:38:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Players don't have positions, they just slot into systems in whatever way they see fit.
00:38:13
Zak
Interesting.
00:38:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's how it works.
00:38:15
Zak
Interesting. So a player that did play bit quite a bit of part in our um championship
Sam Adozi and Ronnie Edwards: Growth and Defensive Role
00:38:20
Zak
drive. And then I'm guessing they wanted him to like go mature elsewhere. So they sent him off to Belgium ah to play for Anderlecht. And thus he has played more European football than most of our current squad.
00:38:30
Zak
ah Sam Adozi, who is valued about 7 million, is on about 16K a week.
00:38:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank
00:38:36
Zak
Yeah, it's still a young one. ah Still got lots of time to develop. had ah Having, by the looks of it, an okay spell over in Anderlecht. Would we keep him?
00:38:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
you.
00:38:43
Zak
Would we sell him? Would we bench him? Oscar, let's start with
00:38:48
Oscar
i'd I'd keep him. um If he's assuming that, you know, unless if Anderlecht want to keep him and they offer the right money and he wants to go, is there any sense in holding him back? But I think he's got a high ceiling. He's still young. He's on relatively little money.
00:39:02
Oscar
Should be okay. He wasn't didn't set the world light in the Championship last year, but he's a bit older now, maybe a bit more mature. Maybe the experience has changed me a little bit. If we can keep him, I'd say keep him.
00:39:12
Zak
Yeah, I'm in agreement. ah so I still thought it was a bit of a weird decision to loan him out because ah we were still struggling for that kind of like level of pace. I don't think he was had the goal-scoring threat that he needed.
00:39:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
a
00:39:23
Zak
but at the same time, if you look at our season so far, none of our players have got the goal-scoring threat.
00:39:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
00:39:29
Oscar
He would have chipped in with a couple, I reckon.
00:39:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
No. Yeah, it's a big keep for me. I think he's another one of these players that's going to give defences pressure and time think about.
00:39:34
Zak
Yeah.
00:39:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
I actually think the loan move makes a lot of sense because what he lacked for us in the championship were two things really, which is sort of physical strength and a finishing touch, which he really would have suffered for in the Premier League. So I think sending him out somewhere where he's going to have the chance to to work on presumably both of those things would have done in the world of good and hopefully we'll come back all the better for it.
00:40:03
Zak
Yeah.
00:40:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Tear the championship up.
00:40:04
Zak
Sounds good. And last but certainly not least, a player that we bought... who was lighting up, I think, League One when we purchased him um because we were like, yeah, we're going to get this really young, hot prospect. And then we played him like once and now he's tearing it up at QPR. Ronnie Edwards had a call up as well into the under-21s internationals, right?
00:40:26
Zak
um So, yeah, Ronnie Edwards, death and keep for me. We're probably going to lose a lot of our defence. And I think that it's a good opportunity for him to show what he's about because I don't think he really had the opportunity and I don't think he did great in his first game, but I don't think that, you know, he was able to, to kind of get that time in.
00:40:46
Zak
ah Let's not just get rid of somebody who we've, you know, might actually be a very good future prospect. Let's learn our lessons and not just immediately bounce that to somebody else.
00:40:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:40:56
Zak
So yeah, I'm a big keep for any Edwards. What about you guys?
00:40:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, keep for me, if he wasn't a signing that we were looking to develop and build into the plans of the future, I don't understand why we signed him, so.
00:41:07
Zak
There you go.
00:41:08
Oscar
Yeah, 100% keep. Yeah.
00:41:10
Zak
Right, and then the last two are on this list that we have that are probably going, so it's not really too much of a worry. Ugachukwu, love to keep him. We're not going to pay his wages. We're also not going to pay 17 million for him.
00:41:23
Zak
So kind of is what it is with him. And Grombeck, who has played like two or three games, Supposedly about 18k a week. ah Is he worth 10 million? No. From what I've seen, apparently we are not exercising any sort of option to buy. ah Kind of feel bad for the
00:41:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Still a bit of a baffling move in for me.
00:41:42
Zak
Especially it was because he wasn't getting any game time, right? And now he's not getting any game time.
00:41:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:46
Zak
And the club that he came from, Strasbourg, I think, is it Strasbourg? No, was he from Rennes? Yeah, so then they were really they were like struggling really bad and then they shipped off one of their supposed players because he wasn't doing that great.
00:41:51
Oscar
yeah
00:41:57
Zak
Hasn't managed to really break into the team here. so
00:42:00
Oscar
Yeah.
00:42:01
Zak
like it just seems like a too much of a risk, especially now that he wasn't he wasn't the signing of any of our current recruitment team is where I'm at.
00:42:01
Oscar
i
00:42:08
Zak
So I don't think that they'll sign that piece of paper.
00:42:10
Oscar
No, I'd agree. I think if he shows something now until the end of the season, he's on low wages and we can get him for a good price. He's still young, then maybe, but um he hasn't shown anything yet. So, no.
00:42:21
Zak
what a list of players that we've been through today.
00:42:25
Oscar
I've just...
Squad Overhaul and Podcast Conclusion
00:42:25
Zak
It's not as many keep as you'd think, right?
00:42:25
Oscar
No.
00:42:27
Zak
We've done it for F.
00:42:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:42:28
Zak
We've got a full squad at this point.
00:42:29
Oscar
I've just realised one more that you'd add on to the keep that I left off the list for whatever reason, but it's Shea Charles. I think if we can keep him...
00:42:37
Zak
Hey, Charles. Yeah, no I know forgot.
00:42:39
Oscar
then 100%, you know, especially if someone like Downs does go, he's ready-made, he's doing well for Sheffield. And if rumours are to be believed and that Danny Roll is the manager that they want, then it makes sense. That's already a relationship that is there, so...
00:42:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. That's another one where the loan to me doesn't make sense unless we keep it because otherwise what's point?
00:42:59
Zak
Wow. Well,
00:43:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
A lot of work to do in the summer, isn't there?
00:43:02
Zak
our wage bill is going to get small.
00:43:04
Zak
Our wage bill is going to be tidy by the end of this and we'll be able to rebuild and we'll see. But I think it's, I can't I can't really express how anyone would expect anything less from the fact that we are on course to be the worst Premier League team of all time.
00:43:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:43:19
Zak
And regardless of management and tactics and this or any other, a lot of the players we have are big contributing factors to that. luck They haven't gelled, they haven't done...
00:43:30
Zak
you know, they might be good individuals, but it hasn't been great. And I think that that doesn't mean that I think all of the players that we've said we we should get rid of are bad players.
00:43:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank
00:43:38
Zak
I just don't think they are good players for Southampton Football Club. So... Interesting one. Well, that's writes us right up to about the 45 minute mark for this ah part two of our bonus episode. So thank you, Oscar. Thank you, Greg, for joining me.
00:43:56
Zak
And thank you very much again to Oscar for putting all the research together for this. I know how much it can be a pain to do these kind of stuff sometimes. So appreciate all the work there. ah Thank you very much to all of you, our listeners, for listening to our long podcast.
00:44:08
Zak
ah episode.
00:44:08
Oscar
Thank you.
00:44:09
Zak
Let us know what your opinions are of who we should keep, who we should bench, and who we should sell. Catch us on all of the social media. ah We're on everything. We constantly talk about it. You know where to find us.
00:44:22
Zak
um And we'll be back with some more wildcard content, ah potentially an England review. We'll see, considering and ah we've now got like a little bit of a week and a half before we have to be depressed with Jurich Ball again. yeah.
00:44:35
Zak
yeah Thank very much for joining us, everyone, and we'll see you in the next one. Goodbye. not playing for us, Greg.