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Episode 184: "Hell House LLC: Lineage" Review feat. Chuck Shaughnessy!!
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This week on The Popcorn Podcast, Tommy and Ryan are joined by the amazingly talented and hilarious Chuck Shaughnessy (@ImChuckYourMovieGuy) to descend back into the haunted halls of the Carmichael Manor with Hell House LLC: Lineage.
From its spine-tingling atmosphere to the mythology that has kept this franchise alive for nearly a decade, we explore how Lineage raises the stakes while honoring the original cult classic. With Chuck’s horror expertise in the mix, we break down the film’s scares, its layered storytelling, and whether this installment cements Hell House LLC as one of the most consistent found-footage sagas in modern horror.
Episode Highlights:
The Abaddon’s Legacy: How the franchise continues to expand its terrifying lore.
Found-Footage Done Right: Why Hell House still stands apart from the crowd.
Scares & Atmosphere: Breaking down the film’s most chilling moments.
Performances & Direction: How the cast and filmmakers bring authenticity to the horror.
What’s Next?: Theories on where Hell House could go after Lineage.
Connect with Us:
Tommy: @Tommy_Cresta
Ryan: @Foran12
The Show: @The_Popcorn_Podcast
Chuck: @ImChuckYourMovieGuy
Editor Colin Gallagher: @colingallagher.3
Available now on all platforms. Grab your popcorn and join us as we reopen the doors of the Abaddon Hotel and uncover the horrors within.
The popcorn’s hot, let’s press play.
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Transcript
00:00:00
Speaker
crookedly There you go. Heavy time schedule here. Yeah. So, okay. Let's just count down. Three, two,
Introduction to Podcast and Guest
00:00:07
Speaker
one. Welcome back everyone to the Popcorn Podcast. I'm Tommy Cressa. Next to me, not alone not across from me like normal, is Ryan Fran. And along with us is our new guest for the episode, Chuck.
00:00:18
Speaker
And we have him here to review Hell House Lineage, the new film by Stephen Cognetti, which is being acted as the last film in the franchise, which I don't think any of us think it is. and But yeah, but Chuck, how are you doing?
00:00:31
Speaker
I'm good. How are you? It's an honor to be here. Oh, thank you. and Honor is a very strong word. We don't. Being sad to be here is much more understandable.
Chuck's Passion for Hell House Franchise
00:00:41
Speaker
But yeah, um Hell House is a franchise that I adore.
00:00:45
Speaker
I had never heard of it until about a year and a half ago. I watched a bunch of horror movies in a month to do it for the podcast and found Hell House, had to pause it 30 minutes in because of my fear of clowns, go upstairs, watch some TV with my dad for a little bit, and went back and watch the rest of it.
00:01:03
Speaker
And I've been obsessed ever since. So yeah, i'm I was super excited knowing that this film was coming out. And I think most of the people who like this franchise were excited, but a little nervous with the non with the linear storytelling. Yeah. I have storytelling on found footage.
00:01:20
Speaker
Yeah. And yeah, I think Stephen Cognelly took a huge swing to leave that approach. And I think it works. especially with the story that they're telling in this movie. I think it was kind of hard to do this in found footage, but I think the scares still worked for me. I think the whole scene at the carnival in the beginning made me terrified to go upstairs. Cause that's how my hallway looks. but And I thought I going see that clown up there and I would have pissed myself to be honest.
00:01:46
Speaker
And um yeah, just a quick little, my intro thoughts, but Chuck, what about you? Yeah. I'm a huge fan of the Hell House franchise. um i'm off I love found footage movies like for a variety of
The Appeal of Found Footage Films
00:01:58
Speaker
different reasons. I love them. um The biggest reason that I love found footage is because it gives artists and filmmakers a medium that they don't need $100 million dollars to make a movie to like put their vision out there.
00:02:12
Speaker
um i also like the real-time feeling of it because I think that's scary. In Hell House, the first Hell House I'll speak for the most It's just a movie that did found footage right.
00:02:23
Speaker
Like there's no, there's not many reasons in that first movie to say, why are they holding this camera? Why are they still recording? Like it's, there's no like so dead time of people walking through the woods for 45 minutes this way. Cause that's average found footage. You you watch people walk for 45 minutes and there's a 15 minute payoff at the end.
00:02:44
Speaker
And Hell House was so different than that with building tension, you know, all the way from the first scene of of him, but Carmichael standing at the top of the stairs when he does the classic iconic, you know, a little side look, which I fucking thought was terrifying. And obviously the basement scene with the three of them against the wall.
00:03:06
Speaker
just a little subtle movements of how they adjusted them with the way that they filmed. It was just so effective. So I immediately fell in love. I love clowns. I like, it's like creepy shit. And I think how house hits all those notes.
00:03:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I mean, the first one, like you said, it just nails found footage. It does everything a found footage movie should do. It gives a reason for the found footage and it gives the characters. Aren't the best in the first one, but none of them are hateable enough to make you despise the movie.
Comparing Hell House Films
00:03:34
Speaker
I feel like a lot of,
00:03:35
Speaker
Especially in horror, there's always characters you're like, this guy is such a piece of shit, I can't wait for him to die. Most of the characters in these, like they're not always the best people, but they're never terrible. So you kind of care about them enough.
00:03:46
Speaker
And then ah the first one, like you said, the scares are just perfect. There's reasons for the camera. Like you said, they're not walking around for 45 minutes. It just gets right into it. They find this creepy ass hotel and they just get right to work making a haunted house that goes bad. So this series has been up and down, but for the most part, especially this first one, that first one, it was just perfect execution for what it wanted to be.
00:04:09
Speaker
I agree. I think they're all solid. I'm not a huge fan of the third one, but yeah I love the first one, the second one. I think the fourth one's the best one. The Carmichael Manor. Oh, I love it. Especially because it had like all those drawn out just... I
Stephen Cognetti's Storytelling
00:04:24
Speaker
could watch Hallways. like They just let you stare at Hallways for 20 minutes. and like I love that shit because you know it's coming, but then it gets you anyway. and i like I appreciate that about what it does.
00:04:34
Speaker
Plus, listen, Cognetti was... with the first one was so smart. Everybody loves Halloween. Everybody loves haunted houses. Everybody loves true crime mysteries. And they tied them all together with creepy fucking clowns. Like what is there not to like all these people died. Let's investigate and get fucking tortured by clowns. Sure. I'm in sign me up.
00:04:55
Speaker
Yeah. And especially with the, the fourth one, it's like, they don't waste time meeting like 15 people throughout the town. It's like one or two people who don't go like, Oh, yeah, that place is super haunted. There's so many ghosts there. It's none that bullshit. It's just like, why the fuck would you go there? they're like It's just normal people being like, why why would you ever do that?
00:05:14
Speaker
And then it gets right into it. you see those You know there's something in the house. That house is evil, has evil in it. And it's just, like you said, the hallways are scary because you know something's there. You haven't seen it yet, but you know. Absolutely. Like, you well done you know, they're going to deliver it. You just don't know how they're going to deliver it. And whenever they do, it's it's incredibly effective, especially with those windows open a little bit. It has like a Resident Evil tone to it, like that first Resident Evil when you're walking those hallways before those fucking demon dogs jump out at you.
00:05:42
Speaker
It's very reminiscent of that. Some of them shots in part four. Yeah. Yeah. And I think. I think the first one, we can all agree, is just and perfect use of found footage, perfect horror movie. I agree with that. and it's I mean, to this day, I could watch that movie a hundred times. It's still going to scare the shit out of me.
00:05:58
Speaker
Agreed. Carmichael Mannard, again, terrifying. And I think those two are amazing. And the second one, i went, of course, when I was like, okay, I got to watch the rest of this franchise. i was like, oh God, it's going to be like a repeat.
00:06:11
Speaker
And I thought the second one might have the scariest scene in the entire franchise. It's when the... so-called psychic goes in and they're doing the reading in the dining room and the girl's facing away from them.
00:06:22
Speaker
And she slowly starts turning towards the camera. Holy shit. That scene like, and the way that Cognetti, uh, they do their makeup of like the ghost people.
00:06:33
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They have like a way that they did design around the eyes. Yeah. So creepy. And I love that they had like kind of like
Critique of Hell House Lineage
00:06:40
Speaker
stories of people experiencing that wasn't just the main cast. Yeah.
00:06:44
Speaker
experiencing events inside of the Abaddon Hotel. And so I think the second one's really good. I think Carmichael Manners very good. I think Lineage does a really good job of changing your expectations of what you've gotten from this franchise in the film footage genre.
00:06:57
Speaker
And then I think 3 just struggles just because I think they kind of went back to the horse already twice, and now they're trying to back to a third time for a story that just didn't work for me.
00:07:09
Speaker
But that's never just me. And it just, I felt like, There were some ideas that could have worked. yeah I feel like they just wasn't, it wasn't enough. And then Carmichael Manor came back and they were like,
00:07:19
Speaker
Hey, there's more to the story and it's going to be amazing. Yeah. And yeah, so that I hadn't, I had zero hope for Carmichael Manor after the third one, the lake fire, whatever the fuck it's called. I think they had like a fire.
00:07:33
Speaker
I think they had a lot of good ideas in that one, but that almost felt like it should have been some like standalone film because it almost like they tried to relate too hard and it almost did it. It made it like cheap feeling to me. And it's not like if you didn't have one and two to compare it to, like if it was just its own movie, it's not the worst movie in the world. Yeah, it's a Hell House movie.
00:07:54
Speaker
Right. But when you're looking for that history and the things that they're tying it into, like it didn't work for me neither. I think that's a general consensus on the franchise. I haven't met anybody. It's like, oh, the third one's the best one. Yeah.
00:08:04
Speaker
If there's anyone out there that does, please reach out to me. I'd love to talk to you about your opinions. This is the internet. There's somebody that has posters of part three all over the room. I guarantee somebody out there.
00:08:16
Speaker
There are some wacky. You just don't understand it, bro. Oh, we've got people out there. It's by a Snyder cult. So they're waiting for me. Some derivative of a Snyder cult. Yeah, I agree.
00:08:30
Speaker
But, yeah, so
Impact of Terrifier Franchise on Independent Films
00:08:32
Speaker
far, lineage, there's no critic review so far on Rotten Tomatoes, but so far audiences seem to like it. It had to 74. It debuted yesterday, so, I mean, still early on. 6.1 out of town IMDb.
00:08:42
Speaker
Roger Ebert website, though, does have it at 1.4 is what actually right? 1.5 out 4. Oh, 1.5 out 4. one point five out four ah one point five out of um But I think that's an insanely low score for this movie. I don't think this movie deserves that at all. that's I mean, that's a what, 20?
00:09:00
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah i mean look look at look at the credibility of that site. yeah and And it's not knocking what they do. but this is one And I don't know how far you want to get into other things that are veered off topic. But I understand people that look at that's that guy's job to review movies. you know I mean? But like, if you break into who that is as a human being, that's not like a horror person.
00:09:24
Speaker
Yeah. So, so they're going to, you I mean like you got these guys out there that are so-called fucking cinephiles that want to go over these movies, but they, but they're, so they're going to say, Oh, this movie was made for $300,000.
00:09:36
Speaker
it's a found footage movie. So now I'm going to criticize the ADR. I'm going to criticize the, you know what mean? The production value and all these things. I'm like, when I go into a found footage movie to judge it, I understand like these dudes literally max their fucking credit cards out to make this movie. Like, is it promising or not?
00:09:54
Speaker
So like, that's that kind of guy. That's the 1.5. I don't, I went more than that. I'm looking up my letterbox for it. I think I gave it a three out of five. Yeah, i think that I think I gave it three.
00:10:04
Speaker
I either gave it three or three-five. But, I mean, I mean i think it's it's definitely three, I think, in the franchise. It's, like, right in the middle for me in the franchise. I think I gave it a little bit more than two.
00:10:15
Speaker
but three I gave it a three and a half, actually. Okay, so I think that's what I have it at. Actually, let me check my letter. I think it's a fair score. i think it's one I think is still the best. And then probably Carmichael Manor, then this. But I do think, for what this was, like, going out of the found footage, I think it worked well for the series. Like, it was a good kind of change of pace. And they did the, you know, more regular filmmaking camera. I think they did it well for what it was. It didn't it didn't feel forced at all. It felt like it fit the story. And it felt like a decent change for the story they were trying to tell.
00:10:48
Speaker
like I think if I ranked, I would go 4-1. would go 4-1. i would go four one 2, 5, 3. Oh, okay.
00:10:59
Speaker
I think that would be my ranking. It's getting crushed on Letterboxd. Is it? Is it? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of ones, one and half twos. Yeah, it does. yeah I mean, it still has it in a 3.4 amongst my friends.
00:11:14
Speaker
But overall, when I looked at it, it's but you know, you have people going like when they market things like this, like there's people and these are things I don't understand. This is like now that I've ventured into the film world and everything, things that I don't understand.
Collaboration between Shudder and Terror Films
00:11:26
Speaker
So you get a fifth movie, the fifth of a franchise. You have people that will walk into a fifth movie, they have no fucking clue what the history is, they'll go to the movie, because there's a clown in it, and it's a horror movie, and be like, oh, I didn't understand it. Like, well, you don't know nothing ah the fuck about it. Like, one, why are you even interested in seeing the fifth without the other four?
00:11:49
Speaker
And how can you even judge it when you don't know any of the story? Like, that's unfair. Especially to, you know, I don't know what they spent on this movie. I can't imagine it was more than... $300, $250, $300, maybe a half a million dollar budget. I can't imagine it being more than that. I think when I looked, it spiked from, i think the last two spiked from, I mean, the original ones, but the original ones are so much lower than the first.
00:12:14
Speaker
yeah Oh, they made that original one for like 50 grand. Yeah. And of course, they're going you can tell in Carmichael Manor that the budget went up a lot from the kind of quality. like what cameras they were using. And then this one, it isn't an amazing that the cheapest one's the best.
00:12:27
Speaker
Cause sometimes, sometimes less is more. And it it works so well with the cast that it feels so real. The best scene in one is the scene under the blanket. It's, oh One of the best jump scares of all time. And especially with those super cheap movies, you always get, because the actors aren't getting paid a lot, the director's not getting anything because spending on them.
00:12:48
Speaker
It's all people who care. So it's that much better because they're taking it more seriously. It's not, you know, you give an actor a couple hundred grand and they barely care. Like the actors in the first one, everybody's giving it their all because they're not making money. This is a passion project.
00:13:00
Speaker
They all cared about it. So... that's i agree i agree I agree with that most in most cases, yes. Yeah, well yeah but um I think the big, going back to the third, you haven't seen the third one.
00:13:12
Speaker
You haven't seen Lake of Fire. the The biggest issue with Lake of Fire to me is the ending of Lake of Fire. i I was sitting on, i was healing from a hip surgery when I finally watched it. And I was sitting in like my CPM movement machine.
00:13:26
Speaker
And I was on the phone with my girlfriend. i was like, this is the stupidest fucking ending. What the hell is going on? they They go to like heaven. Yeah, they do. I've heard that. yeah I was like, what the fuck is happening?
00:13:39
Speaker
i Do you know what? And that's this is my biggest gripe with Cognetti. And I think I have nothing but positive things to say about him. Like this is like would be my only criticism because I've had conversations with him.
00:13:53
Speaker
and Did you see a 25 Forest Road? No. now i haven't went I haven't watched, it sadly, I haven't watched any of anything he's done yet. Well, the only other thing that he did is 825 Forest Road in between Hell House 4 and 5.
00:14:08
Speaker
And it's a non-found footage movie. um And listen, people love it. there's there's I did not like it, but there's it's gotten good reviews. It has this creepy mannequin thing in it. like The ideas are grand.
00:14:23
Speaker
he And he is the type of director, he has grand ideas. I think that he needs to buckle up a little bit more on execution because he has like, like a fire has some good ideas, poor execution.
00:14:36
Speaker
Yeah. And that's how I felt about forest road. And there's a lot of stuff like that in lineage. I'm like, man, these are really, really good ideas. It's not the full potential. Yeah. Okay, but when he when he executes, yeah like the like ah the over-the-shoulder bedroom shot and in Lineage, listen, that is flawlessly terrifying execution.
00:14:57
Speaker
Because that shit got me. Like, I thought that shit was fucking creepy. And especially when you see the framing of the shot, you know something's happening in in there. Like, you don't know what, but you know you're ready for it. You prepare.
00:15:12
Speaker
It still gets you. Yeah. But I think that he's an up-and-coming director that, like, if you gave that dude $25 million in a tight script, like like, that dude has good movies. Yeah, he has great films in him. Yeah, I agree 100%.
00:15:26
Speaker
I think he kind of – again, I love Steven Cognitti. I mean, when me and you first talked about Trespass, that was, like, my huge thing was, like, Strangers. Like, those kind of, horror movies. Yeah.
00:15:39
Speaker
And I think he has a way of scaring people like the way he likes to build up his jump scares, the way he builds the tension around things is great. And I think that my biggest issue sometimes with my biggest issue with four and five, which is not, I mean, I think I really, like I really enjoy four and five and I really enjoy two.
00:15:59
Speaker
I think sometimes. He goes one step further than where thought he was going to go with it. Like maybe he could use kind of goes along with what I what i say about Zack Snyder.
00:16:09
Speaker
I think Zack Snyder has some amazing ideas sometimes. And I think it's a beautiful like he has beautiful shots and stuff. I think sometimes they could use like a no man. Yeah. To be like, hey, like. Listen, Zack Snyder does not hire people to tell him no.
00:16:24
Speaker
That is true. we've We've seen this. Yeah, you can't be on set if you're going to tell him no. I think I love Zack Snyder. i Justice League, the the Snyder cuts, one of my favorite pieces of media to ever exist. I think it's.
00:16:38
Speaker
magnificent I mean, me and my kid have watched that 50 times and it never gets boring to me. I hate Jared Leto. But other than that, like I think the Affleck Batman's the best. um I think he fucking kills it.
00:16:51
Speaker
I know you can see him back there. I see him. I like Pattinson, too. But I was looking at him. He rips on Pattinson on Batman. I like Patton. I love the Affleck Batman. i But I'll tell you what, even more so than the Affleck Batman, I think Ben Affleck is the best Bruce Wayne that's ever been on film.
00:17:10
Speaker
I love him as Bruce Wayne. I wish you got to see more of him, which is sad. I do do too, but he's he like, cause Ben Affleck just seems like a natural dick and he plays it like basically himself. And I think he's really good at it. Like I enjoyed it.
00:17:23
Speaker
Zack Snyder is a self-obsessed overindulgent artist that can't, he doesn't know when to clip or cuts. And that's why all his movies are so fucking drawn out and overindulgent. I don't think cognities to that degree, no not to the, not to like the four hour cut movies. Right, but there's sequences where you could tell that Cognetti was the only person there feeling himself whenever he's shooting stuff, and nobody wanted to be like, hey, hey Steve, you know maybe yeah you know stop and stop a little bit. They just kind of let him roll, but I admire that, too. you got you know These guys that are making these small movies for no money, you've got to take swings, and they've got to shoot big because, like,
00:18:01
Speaker
they gotta shoot big because like It might be the only thing that everybody anybody ever sees that they make.
Chuck's Social Media Growth
00:18:08
Speaker
Yeah. so i'll Oh, I'm sorry. mean No, no, no, no. Go ahead.
00:18:12
Speaker
I wanted to give c credit to Terror of Films, too, because, I mean, Terror Films took a huge swing. I mean, but i mean giving him the money and the i mean taking the chance on the first Hell House and then each one after. And then, I mean, giving him the money to do take this chance to leave found footage behind and go on this last one.
00:18:28
Speaker
Because, I mean, they don't do... it's not and Well, this one is a little different. This one this one comes from Shudder. Oh, and Shudder... Shudder... From my understanding, Shudder acquired.
00:18:43
Speaker
But part of the deal was Terror Distribution because they were the ones that originated it and found it and put it out. so But they needed Shudder money for him to make that movie. You know I mean? So they, they made a happy medium, which is really cause the shutter people were great. I love. Yeah. I mean, Sam Zimmerman, the head of programming, there's a fucking one of the best dudes you'll ever meet in your entire life. Like he's the coolest fucking dude They really care about their programming.
00:19:11
Speaker
But the fact that Shudder used to be a terror films, they used to be a small little thing that did a lot of right things to blow up. So like for them to pay that tribute back and allow them to stamp their name on something they acquired is like tribute to where they not forgetting where the fuck you come from type kind of thing. yeah um And I thought that that was really cool.
00:19:32
Speaker
Yeah, their intro, the Shudder intro that plays the game still creeps me out. It's one of the greatest intros in the history of intros. Like it played before. um umng boom Yeah, it played before House of Eden, right?
00:19:45
Speaker
It played before House of Eden. Yeah, it creeped me the fuck out when i went and saw that. Yeah, and I was making sure I was like, was it before Hell House or was is it? But yeah, I was in theater just to get the shit out of me. Yeah, they had the Hell House trailer in front of a bunch of shit too recently too. So I don't know. I hope i even hope it does good. I hope it does good. I really, really hope it does good.
00:20:04
Speaker
I haven't seen it neither and I have a quote in it. So I want to see it. somebody i saw your quote. For Dreamy on Hell on hellhouse Yeah, you were one of like the, they were doing like the countdown days. yeah i not was the Yeah, I thought i just like saw your quote at the top.
00:20:20
Speaker
That was pretty cool. Oh, congrats on crossing a million. Thanks. I hate talking about that stuff, but thank you. No, that's pretty awesome though. Listen, it's... We're happy we get a thousand.
00:20:33
Speaker
like Listen, you just got to keep grinding. Like I got lucky. That's how I feel about it. Like I think I'm lucky. Um... I don't think anybody ever knows when it's going to happen or or what's going to happen or anything. I think, I think if you get on the internet and you're genuine and you are who you are, which is exactly what you guys do. And that's the only reason that I agreed to do it after looking through your stuff.
00:20:53
Speaker
Cause I'm like real picky about where I put myself or put my platform or who I'll support. Like I have to be, cause there's so many people that want to use you for your platform. yeah um And I didn't get that vibe from you guys at all. Right. I said, no, um but, but um jokes on you.
00:21:10
Speaker
i think the thing I think the thing that really catches me off guard is September 22nd of this year coming up. I'll be at Fantastic Fest in Texas.
00:21:21
Speaker
And September 22nd is my two-year anniversary of the first day that I recorded a video. Holy wow shit. So I think not only getting to that, like like getting to that is astounding to me, but doing it in on three platforms in less than two years is what me fucking blows my mind. It blows my mind. Yeah, like I don't.
00:21:41
Speaker
My whole life is movies now. I take naps and make videos like it. It's the greatest. I love it. My girlfriend quoted you today. she i was I was quizzing her. It's like, oh, who am I doing the episode with?
00:21:52
Speaker
And she was like, she's like it fucking rips. I was like, there you go. but That's funny. I love what my favorite things are. I get messages from people that say,
00:22:03
Speaker
Hey, my dad, he's 74 years old. He just sent me your video and said, Hey, you should check this guy out. Like, I think those are like the coolest things ever that make it in the family. I got like friends that will be like, can you like tone down how you talk? Like my kids in the room, he's eight watching your videos on tech talk. I'm like, ah, you better take his fucking phone. I don't know what to tell you.
00:22:25
Speaker
it's wild That's wild. Yeah. It's cool, man. I, I don't know. um I try to be like, I come from a real world. Interesting place. So I try to attempt everything I do in life with as much humility as I can. Like, I don't look at numbers. I don't care about my views.
00:22:39
Speaker
Do I post them when I achieve them? Absolutely. Cause I relish in them. Cause it's cool. you know what mean? Like I should be proud of it. I work very hard, but I don't think about it. Like I don't post videos and stare at them wonder how it's just, it's either going to happen or ain't going to happen.
00:22:52
Speaker
Yeah, no, you can't. I feel like you'll go crazy too. Oh, between that. Just looking, refreshing every five seconds. If I pocket watch other people's views or my own views or pay attention to people's comments because I get called a fat, bald piece of shit on a daily basis all day long, every day, like the especially Facebook. like I just started Facebook.
00:23:13
Speaker
I hate Facebook. I hate Facebook too, buts but I now love Facebook. Because Facebook pays better. Really? Oh, my God.
00:23:24
Speaker
i did I had no idea. Like, TikTok pays good, but Facebook is like, out they're trying to change the whole meta platform to be TikTok, basically.
00:23:35
Speaker
um And they're shelling out a ton of money. um But when I first, I started TikTok, i started fake my first post on Facebook was in May. What's this, August?
00:23:46
Speaker
September? um At the end of August? Yeah, August. I just hit, well, I'm at like $2.99 on Facebook since May. Wow. But the beginning couple months, you're a paid shill. You're a piece of shit. I had people DMing me messages.
00:24:03
Speaker
You like this satanic shit. You should just kill yourself, if you fat piece of shit. I'm talking like some of the most belligerent, offensive shit I've ever heard since I've been on the internet. But like, I don't.
00:24:16
Speaker
Listen, I usually will just type underneath it. Thank you for the engagement or or something. Try not to let it bother me, but it's like people think it's like real easy. Oh, you just make videos on the internet. No, there's a lot of mental stuff that comes along that you deal with it. um Would you be available to Chad? No, no.
00:24:34
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and It's for that movie, the jester, that new movie that's coming out, the jester, jester part two. jester, that's the one that came out after terrifier, right? The first one.
00:24:46
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Yeah, the Jester is like a... um It looks like a weird mask, though.
00:24:53
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It is a weird mask. The Jester one is not good. Yeah. But is it a bad movie is where I would have an issue with. Like... it's fun know mean like but it's like there's nothing to it so like i really hope that they do something with this one um like i'll watch it like anything with a mask and a fucking knife i'm in like i'm gonna i'm gonna watch it like i like shitty slasher movies and you know you gotta watch the shitty ones to find the gems you know i mean same with hell house like look how many people took a shot of that and look they're at five movies in yeah
00:25:25
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i mean good Between the me and between us,
Debating Horror Film Endings
00:25:29
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I've always been like a huge horror fan. I snuck into Insidious when I was little. I told him my mom I was going to see one movie and walked in. That's amazing.
00:25:37
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And I cried myself to sleep for like a month. But I still loved horror movies the whole time. He wouldn't watch horror movies for the longest time. And we made a deal on the show really early on when Men came out that if Men debuted above a 75, I think, we had to go watch it.
00:25:52
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yeah Yeah. I love Men. We love it until the final 15 minutes. Oh, see, I love the ending of it. I love it. I told people, I'm like, when she drives away, I'm like, and she looks up at the stars. That's the end of the movie. I was like, just back out. Because I don't know how to explain the rest of the movie to you.
00:26:10
Speaker
Listen, that whole... rebirth loop thing is so fucking wild. I love it. It's interesting. is. it's almost meditat It's almost meditative. But the crazy thing about the reason that I love men so much is because the people that hate that movie is exactly who that movie is written about.
00:26:31
Speaker
It's like, you know, it's it's like misogynistic dudes that look down on women. Like, they're the kind of people that hate that movie or say it doesn't make sense. and like that I'm like, No, this makes perfect sense because this is who this movie's fucking made about. Yeah, I think it's quite, that's a movie in 20 years that people are going to appreciate a lot more than they did when it came out. I think it was a little mismarketed, but yeah, men's, it's an interesting. I still watch it and still love though.
00:26:57
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I think I just, i I think that's, we've talked about this on the show a lot. My biggest gripe in, I think horror, and which is my favorite genre, I watch way too many. um I think my girlfriend sometimes. There's never too many.
00:27:10
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That's what I say. I wish my girlfriend wishes I'd put on a comedy sometimes. But they um and sometimes I feel like horror movies, they want to be like the next big thing. So sometimes they push that envelope a little too far, and they go too far in the ending. And then I'm like, see, you were so close, I feel like, to like where I think the ending should have ended.
00:27:29
Speaker
And maybe that's where I am with men, but I still think that movie I've watched numerous times. Did you feel that way about The Substance? No, i love I really like the ending of The Substance. i thought The Substance was just a weird movie. I thought it was a weird concept and a weird movie from beginning to end.
00:27:44
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I love the substance, but the way you feel about the men ending is how I feel about the substance ending. Yeah. Cause I was like, man, they had these like perfect couple bad. They could have just bowed out and I'm like, this is the perfect film.
00:27:57
Speaker
And I don't hate the ending by any stretch imagination. Like I think it's batshit crazy and fun, but I do think that it's self-indulgent. And they like, I feel like they recorded that a bunch of times said, no, we need more. or We need more. We need more. you know, just kept adding to it.
00:28:12
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Um, which on rewatch ability, it takes away from it a little bit for me, but it's still like, I'm, I'm the opposite of that. I want them to do what you don't want them to do. I want them to take the, I want them to take the, but take the biggest swing, like put, put it, put it all out there and just put your art out there. And people are either going to love it or they're going to hate it. Like, no, don't, I guess you, I guess whenever you get the opportunity,
00:28:37
Speaker
You can't leave people wanting more. So i I think too much is better than too little in certain aspects. in my Just my opinion. Like St. Maude. Have you seen St. Maude? No, I haven't watched it. Oh, listen.
00:28:48
Speaker
it's an hour and a half It's like an hour and 42 minutes. That's horrible. Very slow. Methodical, slow burn movie. But the ending is one of the most magnificent things
Recommendation: St. Maude
00:29:01
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ever.
00:29:01
Speaker
and Like literally ever. It's 824 too. So you already know you're going on a weirdo journey. um Highly, highly recommended. Very good film. Yeah, no, they, I'm trying to think of what was, like, I've had a big problem recently. Like, I feel like I said this to Ryan. My biggest issue is I feel like hard, this ah but it seems like more mainstream horror movies do it, is that they like to do the happy ending.
00:29:26
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hate it. i That's why eden lakes one e Lake is literally my favorite movie ever made. Really? Have you seen it? No. it It has the most un-Hollywood ending. Have you seen The Mist?
00:29:41
Speaker
Yeah. Do you know how fucking depressing the ending of The Mist is? I think the ending of Eden Lake is even more depressing. how much more And it's just, yeah it's just the bleakest fucking thing. But like, there's this moment that they pause it's Michael Fassbender's and it's, so I love it. It's so good.
00:30:00
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And Jack O'Connell's in it. Kelly Riley. polish There's a moment at the end where the camera pauses and I'm not going to give it away, but that's their moment that you're like, Oh, this is going to end happily.
00:30:14
Speaker
And they fucking doubled down on that thought of you feeling relieved and just pound in this most devastating thing that you ever fucking see in your life. And I'm just like, I respect that so fucking much that they said, fuck the system. We're not putting a happy ending here. Like, I love that from a filmmaking perspective. Yeah. So, but be careful. Don't watch it with your, your, your, you, she might break up with you if you watch it with your woman.
00:30:38
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Yeah.
00:30:40
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cause it's fucking she's a big She is a horror fan. She does love them watch it. yeah Go down that road. yeah It's fucking brutal. she almost did she She thought I was kind of insane for going to see Terrifier 3 more than once.
00:30:51
Speaker
cause I took her to see it with me and she thought it was crazy. Terrifier 3 was so much fun. I did almost throw up the third time I went though. I don't know what happened. I lay something convulsed in my stomach and he put that chainsaw in him in the guy's rear end. came up almost and I was like, oh.
00:31:10
Speaker
it's been i think terrifier like depends on the like said when i i went to the premiere okay so we were they were all there i mean damien was there david was there chris jericho like uh lauren lavera everybody was there but it was midnight
00:31:28
Speaker
in Texas after everybody has been boozing all day, know, you're, you're with 500 rowdy people watching terrifier three. Like it's a whole nother level of like how much of a blast that fucking movie is. Like, it's one of the best experiences I've ever had.
00:31:42
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It was in like, but here's seeming, seeming that you brought up terrifier. Hell House could be that like terrifier is it like, this is all we're talking about. Like it's all coming full circle.
00:31:54
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So the refrain that you would like to have them for in the end, if Damien wouldn't have did that in the first terrifier or ramped it up in terrifier to terrifier to change the game for independent film as a whole. It's one of the most monumental achievements in film history, like period. Like what it did is more worthy to me than winning an Oscar for best picture.
00:32:13
Speaker
Because it showed independent filmmakers that you can make the film that you want and you can find a way to get it out there if you have the right drive and hustle to do it. And now look what's happening. Eli Roth opened a studio for unrated independent films. And all these you know indies that would have never, ever got a chance are getting a chance, like Stephen Cognetti, to put their film out. And that's all because of fucking Terrifier.
00:32:36
Speaker
that The box office run that Terrifier 3 even got, that was so much fun to watch, just watching the numbers go up. Same with Skinner-Marin. That was a blast to watch people just go see that. Do you like Skinner-Marin?
00:32:49
Speaker
Dude, i listen, we could be friends forever. Me too. i think it's I think it's a fucking flawless masterpiece. I love it. It is It is a wild movie. I i watched it.
00:32:59
Speaker
I've watched it three times now. I've watched Toys in My Basement. and But i I explained to people, I'm like, if you're going watch it, I was like, i like I'm telling you you, can't look at your phone once. like No, ever. nope yeah You have to be immersed in this movie.
00:33:12
Speaker
it I was like, it is childhood fear. Like, when you got up as a little kid and Wayne got water, like... That's what tell everybody. you got to send it You got to sit in an all dark room, get rid of your phone, turn the volume all the way up and lock the fuck in. I think the best way to watch that's like on a laptop with headphones under your blanket. I did it with, I put on my PlayStation, plugged my controller in and played it through headphones.
00:33:34
Speaker
Don't fall asleep in the middle of it because we we saw the theaters and our one bud was buddy fell asleep in the theater and woke up at one of the jump scares. And when I'm saying he jumped in the middle of the theater, it was fantastic.
00:33:46
Speaker
That bedroom scene has haunted me. Like look under the bed. That is one of the, it is one of the scariest scenes in film history. I don't listen. I don't disagree. I think it's, I think Skinnerink is the scariest movie ever made since the exorcist.
00:34:00
Speaker
See, the exorcist, even as a kid, didn't scare me. It never had like that hold on me like that. But like movies like The Changeling did. So I think The Changeling is terrifying. That scene, the ball bouncing down the steps.
00:34:13
Speaker
The ball, the wheelchair. Brother, you need to watch The Changeling. You live in a haunted house. Yeah, The Changeling's so fucking good. So what was your overall thoughts on Hell Hot Zone? Because we're going way off base here. What's your what what your overall overall thoughts on on Lineage?
00:34:28
Speaker
like Did you love it? like What did you want more from it? like How do you feel about it? I did. I liked it a lot. I just feel like the ending, more than anything, is the worst. you know It's the most difficult part to think about. Because like the movie as a whole is... It was okay. I didn't think it was fantastic. I thought there were really great parts and great scares and great great build-up throughout. But I just...
00:34:48
Speaker
I wish there was more of an ending, especially for how it's marketed as the final installment in the Hell House franchise. It's like, I feel like a lot of those negative reviews we were talking about earlier kind of came from that of people seeing this the last one.
00:35:02
Speaker
And then you get the ending that we got and people were like, well, what what the fuck? This isn't this can't be the end. So they think it shittily. And that's kind of what we talked about when we reviewed weapons is that Zack Kreger, we were talking about it for barbarian and weapons.
00:35:16
Speaker
They were both marketed as like, this movie is going to make you shit your pants. It's terrifying. But then you watch them and they're more like, like barbarians, like a monster kind of like thriller movie and weapons is more so like a mystery thriller than a straight up horror movie.
00:35:30
Speaker
I agree. Definitely horror, you know, oriented, but and more thriller than, than horror. I'd say. And I think the marketing for this has been kind of difficult with with the ending more than anything. But I think overall, I did like this movie. I thought there were plenty of good scares and great buildup.
00:35:46
Speaker
I think the scene in the beginning with the carnival, I think that might be my favorite scene in the whole movie. Just that whole buildup whole scene was fantastic. The arm falling down by side. Yeah, just swinging. It was great. The fuck out of the little Tommy. My heart.
00:36:02
Speaker
But I also, i kind of wish we got more with Vanessa and her kind of like trauma her like no well trauma sure but like her kind of I can't think the right word oh how it's just the right word but her like being able to dream to like see stuff because of what happened to her and uh in the third one um I kind of wish we got more I wish that had more to do with the plot than just kind of like seeing things is cool but i wish almost it kind of feels like it's leading into like she's going to be able to use that but we don't see that in this movie so maybe if there is a next one which there's got to be a next one hopefully we see more of that but i think overall i i did enjoy it i don't think it it's not as good as the first one i think and it's it's kind of neck and neck with the
00:36:44
Speaker
with Carmichael Manor, but it was still good. Yeah. Yeah. i mean, I think it, I think it's solid. That's my biggest issue too, is like, I think it's an inconclusive conclusion when they're telling you that it's going to be a conclusion. Cause there's, as soon as I was done, I was right on Reddit and Google. Cause like I had all of these fucking questions. I'm like, well, what about this person? What about that? Like, it's almost like it was either going to have to be like too long inconclusive, or there's no way they could have just put, there's so much to it in there that,
00:37:14
Speaker
some of the segments raised more questions than they answered, if I'm being completely honest. So I don't know. I kind of wish the marketing wouldn't it did that, said the fourth or fifth and final entry into the Hell House series, because we all knew that wasn't true when we read it.
00:37:29
Speaker
But I guess we're going to find out if Mr. Cognetti is going to make another one. i think there's where I think there's room for another one, but I think it has to be found footage. Yeah, and I think we said it maybe the way that they're wording it is what they mean. Maybe this is the end of Hell House, like in the terms of the Abaddon Hotel story over. because it's they keep They kept saying at the end, oh, it's not the hotel. It's not the hotel.
00:37:55
Speaker
Right. They push it somewhere else, right? Yeah, that this is it's the end of Hell Hell. Yeah, it's going to be like the Tully house that we see. Yeah, that's what they they title it differently. But still, i again, what you said what we said about weapons.
00:38:07
Speaker
I personally, I've been very vocalist since the podcast. Since I went so we i went to the premiere happened to Barbarian. I don't like Barbarian. I didn't like it when it came out. I've been very anti. Dude, I hate it too.
00:38:20
Speaker
bang finally yeah i can't fucking stand it yeah i i love the first half of it i think the tension build up i think killing scars guard early was genius i love the first half of it but like and this is my issue with weapons too because i didn't love weapons either i gave it i do really like weapons yeah i gave it a three out of five but for reasons i think if they would have if they would have made it a comedy Like if they would have had more calm, cause I thought the end was masterfully fucking hilarious. Yeah.
00:38:49
Speaker
If they would have just stuck with that, it would have been a flawless movie, but it also had elements that if they would have took out the comedy, it could have been one of the creepiest, weirdest things I've ever seen in my entire life.
00:38:59
Speaker
But I think that comedy, like at the end took away from how terrifying weaponizing all those little kids is like it for me as a viewer that ruined it for me. I get why people liked it. It's a fun movie. I don't like the ending.
00:39:12
Speaker
I, I, again, I don't like the, I don't like, I have a hard time with horror comedies and totally i me too. But like horror comedies are really tough for me. The blackening though, is a movie that I recommend to everyone. I love it. yeah kind offcycl It's so good. It's so funny. And it was so good. The blackening was also one of my favorite theater experiences that I've been to in a recent memory.
00:39:38
Speaker
Cause it was a very, was, um, it would um Seeing movies with different people is different than seeing movies with just like your people. know what I mean? Like I was in an all-packed black theater of people screaming at the screen and yelling.
00:39:54
Speaker
And listen, that shit was glorious. Like it was just fucking, it was a blast. It was a fuck. but No, you better not, girl. It was fucking great. I loved it. That was me during, I've told this story on the podcast. Did you see the movie Past Lives?
00:40:08
Speaker
The a twenty four romance movie couple years ago. <unk> so like That was my favorite movie of a couple years ago. and It's a ah Korean-based love story movie.
00:40:19
Speaker
and i thought oh oh i know what you i know what you're talking I know what you're talking about. I thought I was the only person in the movie. I get very emotional in movies. I cry in movies way more than real life. like i If I think something's emotional, I'll cry.
00:40:30
Speaker
i thought i was the only I thought I was completely alone at this showing. I got up. sobbing my eyes out the ending, turned around, packed house full of um a senior home living center of Korean adults.
00:40:43
Speaker
And they just saw me sobbing my eyes out for the whole second half of the movie. And I was so embarrassed for the rest of the show. And the same thing happened with what? Paradise City? Whatever that movie's called? Oh, yeah. Whatever the Charlie Damon one was.
00:40:56
Speaker
I get emotional at things... that I shouldn't like, there's things that make me get really emotional that don't make other people emotional. I'm like weird. Like there's just like little things that will happen in movies that like really, really fucking get me. I don't know. It's movies give you feel. That's why I love them so much. They evoke so much emotion and feeling out of you.
00:41:17
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I, my last thoughts on Hill House lineage. I think lineage is a very solid movie. I think it's a very solid horror movie. I think it's third in this franchise though. I think it's still,
00:41:30
Speaker
A step below Carmichael Manor. I think it's a couple steps below the first movie. I think the first movie, and don't think it will ever get touched by this franchise. I think it's very hard. Just like I don't think Halloween will ever be touched. Nothing will compare to that first movie to me.
00:41:43
Speaker
What? 78 Halloween? Yeah. ah We have the poster right over there. I saw your posters right over there. Rob Zombies is better.
00:41:53
Speaker
one that is a Wait, hold on. Wild take. Part one and two Part two is one of the worst but movies oh no no no ever. No, no, not going to have that.
00:42:06
Speaker
Part two is a masterpiece. Chuck, we're going to talk about it later when I'm done talking about lineage.
Discussion on Halloween Remakes
00:42:12
Speaker
a Listen, how about this? How about this? How about this? I'll come back on if you want to have a Rob Zombie, John Carpenter Halloween discussion.
00:42:20
Speaker
I'll give you another hour of my time. I guarantee you at the end of that episode, you're going to see that movie in a different light and want to watch it again. No, I won't. I know. Yes. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'd love to have you back on again. Yes. and now i listen up movie I am.
00:42:36
Speaker
I'm a diehard Rob zombie Halloween truther. And I'm not even, I'm not even, I'm not even joking. Like I fucking. Oh, we're good. That's going to be a discussion. Everybody needs their place in life, I guess, you know?
00:42:52
Speaker
Oh, yeah. i just had a friend I just had a friend text me and said, did you see the Hell House lineage reviews? It's getting crushed. Oh, by critics? Like everywhere, yeah. It's getting crushed everywhere. And it's because it's because of the reasons that we all stated. you mean People were didn't like the ending or how they wrapped it up or the things that they did with it. Yeah, it's starting to get... They're starting to pull pour out.
00:43:14
Speaker
yeah So there might not be another one, you know? Yeah, I mean, if because if this gets bombed, they they I mean, they won't put out another movie. ah Especially if it did loses money and money at the box.
00:43:28
Speaker
Yeah, but I don't even think that it's going to be... Because, I mean, it doesn't... I don't know what the box budget exactly is, but i mean... No, but I wonder how long it's going to be like at the theater. I think it's like... I think it got one or two weekends. I don't think it's like no big... I can't see it be more than that. yeah It'll be on Shudder in a week or two weeks or something.
00:43:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah. But I feel like this series has such a huge diehard fan base. I feel like that opening weekend, and regardless of the reviews, it might it might make a little bit of money, but I wonder how much. Again, I don't know what the budget was, so depends. Well, they're also, and this is something that I wondered, and I mean, it's not really a question, more of a statement.
00:44:06
Speaker
I think it's a huge risk putting the fifth of a franchise in the theater when people were going to go see it. Yeah. When people were bad decision, but I'm saying people that are going to go see it, that don't know nothing about it. So of course they're going to review it down because they don't know any history or anything like that.
00:44:19
Speaker
You know, they should have did like a one in five merit, you back to back or something. I think they should have just dropped it on streaming and let the fans who are going to support it, support it.
00:44:29
Speaker
Yeah. Well, before we get out of here, um, Do you want answer couple fan questions that we have? the pes Yeah, let's go. yeah okay First one is from my lovely girlfriend. nice question What is a movie that keeps you guys up at night but doesn't even have to be a horror movie?
00:44:45
Speaker
Caroline. That movie scares the shit out of me.
00:44:50
Speaker
Still think about that moment. Are we picking an animated movie or just any movie? Just any movie. Caroline is of the movies that scares me more than anything. Mine happens to be an animated movie too, and it's that movie nine with the little sack creature thing with the numbers on his back. and movie It's such a devastating fucking movie. Very sad. love it. It is so fucking sad. I love it though. I think it's fucking beautiful. It's a great movie.
00:45:14
Speaker
Elijah Wood's magnificent. Great actor. I might have to go. I might have to say Willow Creek. That's scary. I was on love Willow Creek. Willow Creek's so good. Have you seen Exist?
00:45:25
Speaker
No. He thought Willow Creek was an episode of Finding Bigfoot. I did when I was a kid. If you love Willow Creek, I'm telling you, if you love Willow Creek, go find Exists and watch it. It's like Willow Creek, but it's legitimately terrifying.
00:45:37
Speaker
All right. Willow Creek's scary because the ending is so wild. Yeah. It just comes out. Yeah, it's awesome. naked woman in the woods. Yeah. um Jenna from Chicago.
00:45:48
Speaker
If you had to spend one night in a haunted location from any horror movie, which place would you choose? And what... And which would you absolutely refuse? I'm not going in The Conjuring House.
00:45:59
Speaker
Like the movie Conjuring House. Are you going in the real one? I'll go in the real one any day. You're a fucking idiot. not fighting Basheba.
00:46:10
Speaker
I'll go in Haddonfield's house though. go Michael Myers' house. oh good that's that's nothing i'd go in there if i had one i'd go into which i'm actively trying to do is go to the poltergeist house because you can now rent it as an airbnb really yeah and i love poltergeist with my whole heart um so i would definitely go stay at the poltergeist house one that i wouldn't stay in
00:46:33
Speaker
it really scares me that i wouldn't stay in that's a tough one Yeah, like just the Conjuring actual house. The Conjuring house is ah is is way up there for me. Yeah, Sheba scares me.
00:46:45
Speaker
yeah She's up on top of that dresser. Yeah, it's scary. ah but The dresser scene's so good. That movie, that's a perfect horror movie to me. my number one.
00:46:56
Speaker
Number two. Charles is number one. yeah I would go visit the Abaddon. Because that you know that's a real the new a haunted house there. Really? Yep.
00:47:07
Speaker
Every year, yep. wound The boys do a trip to the Abaddon? Yeah, it exists. Have you been? have not. oh yeah but to go It can't be far from us.
00:47:17
Speaker
It's definitely like central. it's like um like hand yeah i think it's like i think it's Yeah, I think it's just couple. these are either philly right yeah I think it's like three hours from you. yeah Somewhere probably. Because it's like three hours from me and I'm six hours from you.
00:47:33
Speaker
yes it's probably great So it's like somewhere in the middle there. yeah But it exists. Yeah, they do it every year. i think it's Thursday in September. I'm not to lie I see that clown in the abadons. I might actually piss myself. ah Marcus from Philly. Do you think horror movies are scarier when you don't see the monster or when it's shown in full?
00:47:50
Speaker
Depends on the design of the monster. Because what was the movie we saw? It Lives Inside a couple years ago. I thought that was one of the worst designed monsters of all time. I'm more a fan of not seeing it than seeing it. Yeah, I agree.
00:48:03
Speaker
Just i think the buildup in the tent. Yeah, i think if you I think if you can execute a film to get into my imagination and make me see it without showing it to me, I think that's way more than any creature that any person can create.
00:48:15
Speaker
I mean, Willow Creek, there's that whole sequence in the tent. It's one of the scariest scenes. yeah You don't see anything yeah pushing against the tent. Yeah, I think it elicits real fear in you when you can't see it. yeah Yeah, I agree.
00:48:28
Speaker
Ashley from Portland. Which horror villain do you think would be the hardest to escape? Michael Myers, Jason, or Ghostface? Michael Myers. That dude runs like a 4-2 when no one's looking.
00:48:40
Speaker
I could beat up Ghostface. I think I'm... pi i think i'm yeah Well, I mean, Ghostface just some punk kid in a fucking costume. I mean, that's... I don't get that. I'm also not a scream guy. man. o I like the first one, but I like the first one the second one, but the rest of them, I could live with that for the rest of my life. terrible Oh, dude, it's fucking awful.
00:48:59
Speaker
um I would say Michael. well Yeah, because Michael's like an entity. You know what I mean? Yeah, I would go Michael there. have a Michael Myers tattoo? I do not. I have a Michael Myers tattoo. No, I've been trying to stay away from the big like five for the most part. like I'm even questioning doing art because...
00:49:18
Speaker
He's gotten up there now. Yeah, I'm trying to get stuff to people. I think they're cool and I think it's great that everybody has them. I'm trying to just do stuff that's not that. i yeah
00:49:31
Speaker
Dante in New York. What horror movie death scene still makes you wince no matter how many times you've seen it? The shower scene in Terrifier 3. I got it. The scene that makes me wince. I like that the chainsaw really fucks with my head.
00:49:45
Speaker
I'm going to take fire kills in any of the movies. Fuck like mess with me. Like I'm fine with like when he skins the people or everything. It's just the chainsaw scene. I'm going to take the hallway scene in and an irreversible.
00:49:57
Speaker
Have you seen it? No. God bless you. That's it. I'm not saying I'm not saying anything else, but it's French. i'll I'll give you that. Did you see take her back?
00:50:09
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Take her back. What's that? Bring her back. and I'm sorry. Oh, I loved it. yeah The scene with the knife really skewed me out too, but no one died in that. than chewing i thought the i only like little kids stuff i thought the countertop was worse than the knife.
00:50:22
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Really? oh Well, they they kept doubling down. They just wouldn't end it. like It just kept happening and happening. i'm like There was a moment like I took a big deep breath. I'm like, Jesus Christ. Enough's enough with this shit. Oh, it's so funny.
00:50:37
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I think I still got to go with the the leg scene from Saul X, the bone marrow one. That one fucked me up so much in theaters. and That was so rough. Oh, my God. That was the most uncomfortable i've ever been in horror.
00:50:49
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For sure. That movie was so much better than it had any right being. Yeah. It's actually pretty good. um Sophie from Dallas asks, do you think horror remakes deserve the hate they get or the remakes or are there remakes that are better than the originals? Yes, there are remakes.
00:51:04
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Evil Dead remake is better than the Evil Dead original. I stand by that. I think Evil Dead 2013 is better than the original Evil Dead. I have a question if it's better than 2 or not.
00:51:18
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Two's weird just because it has to redo the whole beginning again because of the rights between the studios. Two's fucking hilarious. Yeah. like it's like It's almost like a perfect film, so I have a hard time there, but I do think it's better than the first one.
00:51:29
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I'm trying to think of other remakes. I mean, they definitely can be, but there are some. Texas Chainsaw 2003. I don't think it's better than the original, but it's goddamn close. It's scarier to me than the original.
00:51:41
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You love the... it's just... yeah that's just dumb I do love the Nightmare on Elm Street remake. It's a terrible movie, but as a kid, it scared the shit out of me. I think the 2009 Friday the 13th is better than the original.
00:51:54
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He is a large human in that movie. He's a fucking monster. He's a behemoth of a man. first name Monster. around a movie That and Friday night. He's a monster.
00:52:06
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Just the opening scene when she's stomping towards him the by the campfire. Oh, and he uses her in sleeping bag. Yeah. I forgot that's the opening. ah Ryan in Toronto asks, if there was a character in a slasher movie, what role do you think you'd play? The final survivor, the comic relief, or the first to go?
00:52:22
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The first to go. The comic relief. First to go. Yeah, I'm done. um Listen, I'm balling up like a small child getting stabbed to death. It's over for me. I'm done. I'm probably making some jokes and then walking myself into a stupid jet.
00:52:35
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Yeah. I'm going be way too confident with some army training. There's going to be like little bit of spikes that just comes over, hitching the face. Literally. Some Indiana Jones bullshit.
00:52:47
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ah Maya from a like Alaska. Atlanta, which horror movie twist completely blew your mind the first time you saw it?
00:52:57
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First ever? Yeah. It's either the Signs, the Sixth Sense, or the Others. That's like a three-way tie. I've never seen the Others. I been keep pushing it all. i don't is this Is it scary? It says it's a thriller, and sometimes it's it scary.
00:53:13
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Oh, no. it's It is. and it been it's a But once you know, there's no rewatchability to it. But for a first-time watch, I'm jealous that you haven't seen it. Okay. Yeah, that's a must-watch. Absolute must-watch.
00:53:25
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I know. I was kind of sad that yeah i was kind of sad about my thoughts on when evil lurks. I was kind of sad I didn't think was as scary. like I watched it. Fantastic movie, though. It's so fucking good.
00:53:36
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was It was really good. and Don't say I'm going watch it by yourself. um Twist. Twist in a horror movie. I'm trying to think.
00:53:50
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mean, it's Sleepaway Camp. I did not see that coming. yeah that's a No, that's fair. It's just a weird twist, though. I think that's that's that's it. Yeah, it is. and When you're 11 years old, you weren't expecting to see that.
00:54:05
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Yeah, it gets ah that gets a lot of online controversy, too. The world's a different place, yeah. Next question. ah Ethan in Denver asks, do you think horror works better in theaters with an audience or alone at home in the dark? Alone at home in the dark for me.
00:54:22
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Always has been better when I'm alone. I think it's scarier Alone in Home in the Dark, but theater is way more fun. Yeah, I'm thinking of what scares me. yeah it's like It depends. it the drink It's got to be at home. I think that's scarier, but a movie like, you know, I mean, most horror movies, like a good slasher, way more fun in the theaters.
00:54:40
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ah Yeah, I would probably lean the theater. um I lean the theater, yeah. Fair enough. ah Claire from Los Angeles asks, what's one horror franchise you think should never be rebooted or remade?
00:54:53
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Stop remaking Halloween. They're never going to stop. I know, but I wonder. There's too much money. They should have stopped screen. They should stop Friday the 13th. They should stop Halloween. They should stop them all. They're not going to.
00:55:07
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Don't remake Jaws either. If I ever see Jaws, it's never going to happen. It's going to happen. The Revenge showed you why you need to never make another one. It's been 50 years. If it was going to happen, it would have happened by now.
00:55:18
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Thank God. ah Last question. Louisa Miami asked, if you had to introduce a non-horror fan to the genre, what's one movie you'd show them first to win them over? The Gate.
00:55:29
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The Gate? Have you ever seen The Gate? No, I've never even heard of it. ah It's a 1988 group of little kids. They get left at home by their parents that go out to run errands, and they end up digging up and opening a portal to hell in their backyard.
00:55:44
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And then they have to run the fight to stop all these demons taking over their neighborhood. It's a fucking masterpiece. Chuck, I'm just going to text you and be like, yo, just drop me like 50 horror movies right now.
00:55:55
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The Gate's the first horror movie I showed to my kids. When they were, they were 10 and 13 now. It was like whenever they were 8 and 10 and a half, 8 and 11 at Gate. We did The Gate and then we did Poltergeist then we did The Monster monster Squad.
00:56:08
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Monster Squad. One of the first movies I ever remember. Did love it? Love that movie. I watched it again. If you love the Monster Squad. I'm not going to lie. Some of the lines don't age very well. Well, no, but that's different. you can't it's You can't even look at it through that lens. No, it's still it's still hilarious. kick But if you like the Monster Squad, then you'll love The Gate. Okay.
00:56:27
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Yeah, The Gate. Do you like Summer of 84? Never seen it. ah Throw it on the list. it's a newde That's newer. That's from like the last 10 years. It's fucking fantastic.
00:56:39
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um what would i introduce just like a classic like halloween i think halloween's are going because it's not super scary but it's got some terrifying like visuals yeah not too halloween's are yeah that's i mean that's a great one yeah i agree yeah the gate
Recommendation: The Gate
00:56:50
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you gotta watch the gate that's that should on your list right yeah i'll check it out yeah the gates i love it with my whole heart i can recite every line in that movie it's just it's adorable i love it and then before we go like we do in every episode Chuck, what would you like to recommend to our viewers that they should go and watch?
00:57:06
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like The gate. The gate. but Yeah. it' used to i'm stick I'm sticking with the gate. I don't know. Hold on. I'll even look it up and tell you where it's streaming. I think the gate is an absolutely essential, an absolutely essential for horror, for horror fans.
00:57:21
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Um, I'll always talk about it. actually from 87. The gate is kids left at home accidentally unleash a horde of malevolent demons from a mysterious hole in their suburban backyard.
00:57:32
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It's on to be plexed, the CW prime video. And it's my, it's one of my all time face and Steven fucking Dorf is in it. And I love Stephen Dorff. So yeah, The Gate, 100%. Watch The Gate. Watch more older or horror movies because there's a lot of people. That's one trend with horror that i don't like.
00:57:51
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There's a lot of people that don't go back and give acknowledgement to classics because they write them off as saying, oh, this is old or it's dated or anything. Like you wouldn't have what you're watching now if it wasn't for, oh, there's so many there's so many good ones that hold up so well.
00:58:07
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So yeah, I'm going with The Gate. Yeah. Yeah, Psycho is still one scariest movies. You know, I'm recommending Psycho. I love Psycho. of scariest movies of all time. The scene which he runs down, this I'm not going to anything else, but when he runs down the steps, everyone knows what i'm talking about. you see him So good.
00:58:22
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Scares the shit out of me still. Psycho 2 doesn't get enough love either. Yeah. I think Psycho 2 is fantastic. Psycho 2 is also very good. yeah Better reviews than I thought it had as well.
00:58:33
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Oh, yeah. think I'll go Willow Creek. Talk about it earlier. But just another found footage movie. It kind of falls into that like very slow in the beginning. it's slow burn. But man, that payoff is it's there. And it was directed by Bobcat Goldthwait. Yeah. it and Really?
00:58:48
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Yep. I'm telling you, if you love Willow Creek, watch Exist. Exist is fucking terrifying. um like we gotta get We have a friend that's like... the biggest scaredy-cat horror movies, but he loves them, we might have to make him watch Willow. Yeah, Exist is hands down the best Bigfoot movie ever made. It's not even a question. I love Willow Creek, but like it's exponentially better than Willow Creek.
00:59:12
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so It's been an honor to chat with you gentlemen. Yeah. that's been honor Chuck, do you want to... tag anything, link anything, like just tell everyone. No, if anybody's listening, if anybody came here to listen to this, because you know who I am, I suggest that you listen to these guys and you follow them and you support their stuff.
00:59:29
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I'm here to support them. And that's what I want. Anybody that came here to listen to me should do. You should support them. Oh, thank thank you. I don't, I don't plug myself anywhere. I can't do it. I'm just, not it's not, it's not my jam.
00:59:42
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Well, if you're here that you've listened to us and you're one of our listeners, you know where to find us. You find us on all of the social media platforms and go check out our gaming page. Still, we're still only at 53 followers on TikTok, but you guys all like the people who like it.
00:59:56
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No one follow. I know who you are. I'm continuing to post that gaming content. um But yeah, thank you guys so much for tuning in. Chuck, thank you again for coming on. It was so much fun to get to talk to you.
01:00:07
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We will definitely be the having Chuck back on to discuss. Halloween by Rob Zombie compared to Halloween by John Carpenter. The masterpiece compared to whatever Rob Zombie attempted to make.
01:00:18
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And that Chuck calls a masterpiece. I might block you. We will see you guys in the next week's episode in which we review Alien Earth Episode 3 and Peacemaker Episode 1.