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Season 8- Episode 2- Brunt of The Issue (RWC '25 Final, and Prem Round 1)
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It's those silly fellas that talk about rugby from a country that doesn't seem to care about it nearly as much as they do. On this episode, we are off to Twickenham for both the bronze medal final and THE final, looking back at all the action including, how England were both excited and relieved by the final whistle. Also, we are LIVID with Prem Rugby and their decision to give Flo Rugby their broadcast rights here in the States. Eventually, we tuck into the opening weekend of the Prem including the action from the newly minted Red Bulls and the chaos at the Garden's, everything in between too. Kick back, get a drink and join us friends!
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Introduction and Weekend Rugby Recap
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
We're in, we're ready. um Lots to talk about in a ah fun weekend. i mean, I guess it depends on who you ask, but...
00:00:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Even like, even though the matches that that pissed some of us off were were highly entertaining. So yeah, jar Jared left with a, like, it's rare.
00:00:50
Jarrod Dyke
Me. Me.
00:00:54
Grumpy Old Prop
it's Here's the rare thing that where Jared was left with a salty taste in his mouth after a match today and I was not in the same match. Um, but I was looking different picture, so but we'll get to that.
00:01:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, i've had my I've had my saltiness for a while now at this rate.
00:01:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:01:12
Jarrod Dyke
um Excuse me. Okay.
Beverage Choices and Fantasy Rugby Updates
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Jarrod Dyke
Let's crack. I'm going crack my beer. Thank you very much.
00:01:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I already, I have a, uh, a beverage.
00:01:26
Grumpy Old Prop
I, I left, I had left alcohol off my list, so I'm dealing with, um,
00:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
Working on something else over there.
00:01:32
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Vodka, crayon, cherry.
00:01:35
Jarrod Dyke
You could do worse.
00:01:36
Grumpy Old Prop
i Yeah.
00:01:38
Jarrod Dyke
Although I had, had one really rough night on those.
00:01:43
Jarrod Dyke
And was when I was, that was when I was in college.
00:01:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, yeah, these are not going to be those.
00:01:47
Grumpy Old Prop
These are going to be this. So i'll be I think I'll be all right.
00:01:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no, I think you're safe. I think you're safe. Um, make sure that you buy our good friend, George, the fancy rugby geek, a coffee or beer, uh, busy, busy boy as always. And he also ran two wonderful leagues. He's got one. Well, he's ran a great league in the women's, um,
00:02:07
Jarrod Dyke
rugby world cup fancy but then he's got one more almost concluded with uh the rugby championship here
00:02:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I got to see how I'm doing. Last night, going into this week, I was in first, but I let up a lot.
00:02:17
Jarrod Dyke
oh i don't know if that's sustained so thought i i thought i was checked i thought i checked it before but i might not be able to see straight so it's a different story ah my my and my accuracy might be off um
00:02:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I doubt that was sustained.
00:02:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
Social Issues in Sports
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Jarrod Dyke
There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
00:02:41
Jarrod Dyke
I see. Do you, sir, like positive, negative?
00:02:47
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, shit's kind of fucked up. um We got like the whole you know people being disappeared off the street and and just um being harassed for their ethnicity here.
00:02:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, yes.
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Jarrod Dyke
o
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Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm finding it really frustrating.
00:03:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and people getting lost, literally lost in our system.
00:03:01
Grumpy Old Prop
and
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Jarrod Dyke
It's like, that's not good.
00:03:03
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah none of this is good. um And it's just problematic that this isn't isn't a new thing. when you when you
00:03:11
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:03:13
Grumpy Old Prop
the The whole point of the no discrimination when you have to call it out wherever it is is because when you leave things the way they are and you strengthen the tools that someone nefarious could use for bad means and bad intentions, like you're just leaving it there for them.
00:03:28
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not a, you know, you're just opening the door. You're, you're creating that possibility. And then you can't be surprised when this is what happens. So like that aside, like maybe it's time to stop doing what we've been doing in, in response. And it's time to start like,
00:03:47
Grumpy Old Prop
you know like Even the the Democratic leaders can't even endorse Soren Mondani in New York. and it's like
00:03:55
Grumpy Old Prop
you can't in and like You can't fight Trump. You can't do that you can't support good people. like You want to bring good people into your party. You want to bring more people in so that you can push back on the fascism. It doesn't seem like they want to do that. and It's just a very strange very fucking strange times.
00:04:10
Jarrod Dyke
yeah no neither do i neither do i yeah no zero stars definitely not even one not even one no way no way this is how this is how shit goes real bad real fast and it's happening it's happening
00:04:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't enjoy it. Thumbs down. One star out of zero stars out of five.
00:04:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Not even one.
00:04:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And it's good. It's yeah. It's going get bad. So yeah.
00:04:30
Jarrod Dyke
yeah has me concerned for sure
00:04:35
Jarrod Dyke
Well, on that,
00:04:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway,
Patreon Updates and Rugby Analysis
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Grumpy Old Prop
anyway, Hey, on a lighter note.
00:04:37
Jarrod Dyke
let
00:04:40
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, um make sure that you grab our Patreon. We always appreciate it appreciate your support out there. We will have stats up in a matter of a few weeks, probably, what which you could subscribe and get.
00:04:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Mm-hmm.
00:04:53
Jarrod Dyke
And then hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, it sounds like we're getting some friends to help us out with PWR. ah Keep your eyes peeled on our Patreon for that as well, because if all plays out, this should be a fun year for it. We've done it the last two years and we're going to try and mess with the format a little bit here. And, but we're going to need some help from stat providers in the league. And and sounds like we're goingnna get some help from some of our friends. So that'll be good.
00:05:19
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Let's go to Saturday.
00:05:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Not Thursday.
00:05:26
Jarrod Dyke
no not Thursday.
00:05:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Because why did the fuck started on ah anyway? no No, that's just a personal.
00:05:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we'll get there. Don't you worry. We'll get there. Um, Let's start with the but the well the first one that day. And yeah, you know, for the middle, I don't know, 20 minutes, 10 minutes, whatever it was that France finally like realized they could play a rugby.
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Grumpy Old Prop
Just a little bit.
00:05:56
Jarrod Dyke
If they had played that even remotely this game and maybe last game, then we might be having a different conversation here.
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Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:06:05
Jarrod Dyke
Unfortunately, then.
00:06:06
Grumpy Old Prop
But they're just not I don't think they're
00:06:11
Grumpy Old Prop
quite good enough to pull that off for for sustained periods. Like they're just not there yet. Even you can even see it in the Six Nations. They're better than like they have the talent to just out talent somebody. They remind me a lot of of the US in certain ways.
00:06:20
Jarrod Dyke
Mm
00:06:24
Grumpy Old Prop
They have so much talent. They got some out of position. They use some not quite right. And it doesn't quite work. It's clunky. And sometimes like they're good enough.
00:06:35
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:06:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Like i said, they're talented enough if they play it, you know, in Italy. Italy's, you know, they're trying to do more than France tries to do, but they're just not good at it.
00:06:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:06:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And so. Like, I don't know, this I was never believed, know, it was kind of cool that that France came back and and made it technically a game, but
00:06:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:06:59
Grumpy Old Prop
New Zealand just was was in...
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Jarrod Dyke
I
00:07:02
Grumpy Old Prop
They were cruising pretty good.
00:07:04
Jarrod Dyke
i mean, they they cruise. after the Bordon Sans-Dutre, which was, which was very good, by the way, like, don't, don't,
00:07:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It was. That was an excellent try. That was could have been my try of the week.
00:07:15
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, that was up there for me, um, yeah, yep, I, totally worthy of it, then, just, you know, the, the wave came from the Blackburns, Durant, Brunt, Holmes, oh, the Holmes tribe was so much fun, i was like, that's, that, was like, oh, that is great stuff, like, just,
00:07:17
Grumpy Old Prop
At least in the mentions there.
00:07:31
Grumpy Old Prop
almost four five ah
00:07:36
Grumpy Old Prop
who
00:07:37
Jarrod Dyke
I think it was four or five gals. They all touched the ball, a couple of them twice.
00:07:40
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah pretty much yeah
00:07:41
Jarrod Dyke
i was like, yeah, okay, that's how you do it. in it's And they did it all within, what, the 15-meter channel over on the on that one side, I think? garre Somewhere in that neighborhood. you know They didn't really, I'd say within 10 meters, give or take, because I'm not sure they even ventured into the five on the
Tributes and International Rugby Discussions
00:07:56
Jarrod Dyke
sideline there.
00:07:56
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah.
00:07:56
Grumpy Old Prop
So, so again, i want to point out something from last week when, when, when someone on the pod said something about, um, menage having elite center speed, but not elite wing speed.
00:08:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and, you know, which side, like, let's talk about which side of the field they were on when they were scoring these tries and and how that worked out.
00:08:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:08:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:08:20
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, it's like that, like, if you, you know, yeah, she should have been the center. That's kind of where I am with that. um
00:08:27
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:08:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I think they picked on her a lot, unfortunately, or at least in her area. Similar to another player we'll talk about later. um It's like if you find, once you find a place to pick, it's over.
00:08:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, we're just going to run there. And that's what they did.
00:08:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah. they Did they ever. They just, the yeah, they pick on things. Yeah.
00:08:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Because they're New Zealand.
00:08:52
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:08:53
Grumpy Old Prop
They're like, we can beat you anyway. If you show us an easy way to do it, then we don't have to think about it anymore. Thanks.
00:08:59
Jarrod Dyke
Thanks.
00:09:00
Grumpy Old Prop
We'll take it.
00:09:02
Jarrod Dyke
Thanks. um But with, and we'll talk about a few others on the other side. With the conclusion this game, we, we say We say goodbye Menage, first of all.
00:09:15
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely wonderful player. She's been at it for 10 years, and think she's been i think she's had it, honestly.
00:09:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Fantastic.
00:09:19
Jarrod Dyke
I think forin she's done.
00:09:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, don't. Right, don't mistake my criticism for not lack of appreciation, because what a fucking player.
00:09:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, just not her fault that she got put where she got put.
00:09:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And it works like again, it works against a team like in Italy. She'll go for some sweet runs, but against, you know, Holmes, Sorenson-Magee, Woodman-Woodcliffe, like, you're just not, there's nothing, sis, there's nothing there.
00:09:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:09:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:09:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:09:47
Grumpy Old Prop
That's where we are.
00:09:48
Jarrod Dyke
And then you said it, the the legend, the legend.
00:09:50
Grumpy Old Prop
wow
00:09:53
Jarrod Dyke
ah p A Porsche woman, which could not be or cannot be overstated and.
00:09:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Did you see the video of her like crying all the way through, like basically coming into the stadium through warm-ups and stuff?
00:10:03
Jarrod Dyke
Mm hmm. Yep. She she knows she knew.
00:10:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I also saw a stat. um Her first ever World Cup, the final day, was attended by 17,000 people.
00:10:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And so like she's walking in being greeted by like more than that just in the... in the bus lot and then you got on the field and there's 82,000 people there and it's like just in her career that that's where it's gone from.
00:10:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:10:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And I remember it being like a. Like I felt like in a secret club because I knew who she was, and now it's like everybody's like, oh, she's the best ever. And it's like, that's cool.
00:10:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Like you're getting to the point where you're ubiquitous and you're you're just a known factor. in in world rugby and to have that in one career is pretty Right.
00:10:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. um I'm in awe of her as a person. I'm in awe of her as a player and what she did for the game overall. Never mind the womens just the women's game, but the game overall.
00:11:05
Jarrod Dyke
um i I don't think you could put into words what she means to what she means to the Black Ferns by any means whatsoever, but what she means to the women's game as well and what she means to New Zealand rugby.
00:11:14
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:11:20
Jarrod Dyke
And it's just... Yeah, a walking legend, and we we are we are we're all just blessed to be watching this and and and taking part of it.
00:11:30
Grumpy Old Prop
basically and for the, even the next 10 years or so, she's going to be wherever she goes, wherever she is,
00:11:40
Grumpy Old Prop
she's going to be the best rugby player there. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, you know, even in retirement, she she's like, no, I'm better than you. I'm better than all of you. And you know, who's going to make an argument? Fucking nobody.
00:11:53
Grumpy Old Prop
So that's, that's, that's the level we're at.
00:11:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that we should, that's for sure.
00:11:57
Grumpy Old Prop
The generational um months once he someone exactly like her and what she brought it's going to be like they'll build off of what she did but it's going to be well before you see someone impact the game like that
00:12:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. and
00:12:07
Jarrod Dyke
Completely. and
00:12:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and she and she was always so, you saw it in this World Cup, she was always just like so excited for other players too, and know, again her personality and her and who she is as a person is is legendary in itself let alone you know the the performances she put out on the field so i'm yeah i'm i don't i applause the tip of the cap doesn't even do it do adjust it justice for portia just know well i will i will i will kneel before you know
00:12:27
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:12:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:12:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, all right. Yep.
00:12:46
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't, I don't want to be in your presence.
00:12:46
Jarrod Dyke
that's that's pretty much the best i could come up with yeah
00:12:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah. What do we do?
00:12:50
Jarrod Dyke
Rugby royalty at its finest for sure.
00:12:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Like the whole, like, what was it? Wayne's world. Like we're not worthy kind of thing. Like, yeah.
00:12:56
Jarrod Dyke
who Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, man. All right. um To the other side. ah Man.
00:13:08
Jarrod Dyke
so Disappointing for Canada and and the journey. and And let's not take anything away from the journey that Canada women have been on.
00:13:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:13:16
Jarrod Dyke
Like, you know. I didn't mention it before, but obviously we had the ah awards given at the end. Sword to McGee won Young Player of the Year, Breakthrough Player of the Year, whatever it
00:13:25
Grumpy Old Prop
no
00:13:27
Jarrod Dyke
And then ah the other it's not a real, it really isn't a consolation for Sophie Degudy, but, you know, World Player of the Year says a lot about about her and her abilities. I think we were talking about her quite a bit last week, if I recall.
00:13:28
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:13:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:13:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and and honestly, the England defensive structure or like their playing game plan seemed to be just don't let her do anything.
00:13:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, bottle her and make someone else beat us.
00:13:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, so just make someone else beat us.
00:13:56
Grumpy Old Prop
And um it was that was a good one. And there were a couple, you know, Asia, Hogan, Rochester, she was up to it. Alicia Corrigan was up to it. But like, other than them,
00:14:09
Grumpy Old Prop
not so much.
00:14:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and the things they were trying, they didn't ever waver from their game plan, which you can...
00:14:10
Grumpy Old Prop
So...
00:14:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:14:16
Jarrod Dyke
Which is, you you can give credit to to a point. you know Sometimes you have to just admit defeat and change your game plan, and we'll talk about that a little later on. um But the just it just wasn't sticking like it has before.
00:14:28
Jarrod Dyke
and And it wasn't even necessarily that England had done anything special. It's just, shit, that pass didn't quite go to hand. that Or the pass was just you know maybe a little too hard or a little too soft.
00:14:35
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:14:38
Jarrod Dyke
and Oh, man. Just little things that... you And Ruez said it afterwards, like, You got to take your opportunities and especially against England.
00:14:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because I mean, just looking at some of the stats here, like they kind of tell a story here, like carries 175 carries for Canada with six line breaks.
00:15:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Just that this that alone tells you.
00:15:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:15:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Every one, every 30, you break the line like Woody. yeah That sounds very exeterous.
00:15:10
Jarrod Dyke
as As opposed to England, we're one out 10.
00:15:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's. Right.
00:15:13
Jarrod Dyke
And even that's not amazing, but that's obviously a much better rate.
00:15:15
Grumpy Old Prop
No, because Canada, Canada played great defense. So like this was, this was two teams slugging it out. Like to me, this, what tells this, the story is the reactions from players of the final whistle.
00:15:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Like there wasn't exactly that like jumping up and down. Like we are champions. It was, oh, fuck, I'm exhausted. we want like We survived.
00:15:39
Grumpy Old Prop
It wasn't like we won. It was we survived.
00:15:40
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:15:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, yeah, it it turned into a celebration, obviously, once once it sinks in. But it's one of those games where just like, I'm so happy to win that. And it's like, wait, that means we won. It took them a second to to just register the magnitude of the moment.
00:15:56
Jarrod Dyke
England made 102 more tackles than in Canada did.
00:15:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um Plus all the, I'm sure.
00:16:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:16:01
Jarrod Dyke
And they like they missed only as many as Canada did.
00:16:02
Grumpy Old Prop
They worked well.
00:16:04
Jarrod Dyke
So...
00:16:04
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:16:04
Grumpy Old Prop
they, they worked so hard.
00:16:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and yeah, they're exhausted. They were exhausted at the end. So and that's, that's, that was a, this was a good like championship bout. Like, I feel Canada were a little hard done by, um from, from Holly. I think England got the benefit of, ah of, of too many calls.
00:16:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, that kind of tilted a little bit outside of where I think the, the level of competition was like, I don't 20 points is, is heavy in that loss for, for Canada.
00:16:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:41
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't think that we're a 20 point different team. I think it was more like 10.
00:16:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree.
00:16:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and England again, just survived it because they did, they threw everything they had at Canada. They were like, that's, that's like, and so the pressure they're under, you can't, well you can't lose two in a row.
00:16:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:57
Grumpy Old Prop
You can't lose on home soil. Like, They're playing more than just the 15 across from them.
00:17:04
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely. but but they're They're playing themselves in a lot of ways too.
00:17:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:17:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, absolutely. Um, I'm looking at
00:17:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And Ellie Hildon right away, just being like, um
00:17:15
Grumpy Old Prop
this is my game, ladies.
00:17:15
Jarrod Dyke
magic.
00:17:16
Grumpy Old Prop
I got it. like
00:17:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Magic. yeah I mean, here's the thing when I'm, when I'm watching some of these kicks, I'm like, Oh, you've got to keep it out. out The one person like breach and Dow are, are amazing.
00:17:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:17:27
Jarrod Dyke
And there's no question about it, but only one person back there is the world player of the year.
00:17:31
Jarrod Dyke
Formerly, it's Kel Dunn. Keep it out of her hands.
00:17:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:17:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:17:35
Jarrod Dyke
Like, kick it ah as far away from her as you can.
00:17:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:17:37
Jarrod Dyke
I don't care if it's a cross silly cross field. Like, get it away from her. Make someone else do it.
00:17:43
Jarrod Dyke
You know?
00:17:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Because, okay, so so here's a thing too.
00:17:46
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, remember when Jess Breach was like one of the fastest women in rugby?
00:17:51
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:17:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Like as soon as she got the ball, it's over. And it's not like that anymore. And I'm just saying that's the level. That's what that's what's great about rugby. She hasn't gotten slower. She hasn't gotten worse. it's just the level of competition has grown to be that much. And so now you're just like Ellie killed. And not only does she have the speed, but she just,
Podcast Housekeeping and Critiques
00:18:10
Grumpy Old Prop
she has the visions, the, the, um, the, you know, just the knowing what to do, matter what cools cucumber. And it takes more than just being that fast now.
00:18:21
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like, yeah, kick it to Jess breach.
00:18:22
Jarrod Dyke
Oh yeah, absolutely.
00:18:23
Grumpy Old Prop
It's now because that. Now it's like, yeah, just fucking kick it to Jess. She's like, don't, don't give it to Abby. Don't give it to Ellie. Get it to Jess. And it's like, that's, That's a statement that says a lot.
00:18:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:18:36
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, um they they would have been better served making sure that that just breach got the majority of those carries.
00:18:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. On the defensive note, the four top tacklers from the game were English, um,
00:18:53
Jarrod Dyke
Six of the top eight. I'm sorry. Eight of the top ten <unk> were English.
00:19:02
Jarrod Dyke
Tatiana Hurd is on that list, by the way. the One of the midfielders.
00:19:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:19:06
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah. There was a lot of work being done. Abby Ward, Botterman, in inverse order, by the way. um Hurd, Muir, Cocaine, Matthews, Aldecroft, Cabea, and Talling both had 23.
00:19:21
Jarrod Dyke
um you so let's let's and the the heroes of the game obviously kabea player of the match like yep she she's great both sides of the ball she's the exact rugby player you want in the back row like great in attack and great and in her defensive roles what's the one of the unsung heroes of this team is telling in my opinion and
00:19:22
Grumpy Old Prop
That's ridiculous.
00:19:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:19:44
Jarrod Dyke
i have to say how impressed I am by her. Just, she's out there hanging. She doesn't play for a very good club right now. Maybe they get better this year. We'll see. Um, she's, she plays for sale and know, sale was pretty bad last year. I think they were, were they the worst?
00:19:59
Jarrod Dyke
think were the worst in the PWR sadly. They came bottom. Um, uh, but it does speak to one.
00:20:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they work great.
00:20:09
Jarrod Dyke
It speaks to how much of a team game this is because if she's still on that team and they're coming bottom, um, and this was And she was one of the better players on the team in the final.
00:20:20
Jarrod Dyke
But still, you know, to be able to just not let her club form dog her and to be able to perform perform to this level in on this stage in this game.
00:20:32
Jarrod Dyke
You know, speaks also again, it speaks to her teammates as well, but it does speak to her personality as well.
00:20:33
Grumpy Old Prop
and she didn't even right and and oldcroft played 10 more minutes 11 more minutes than than telling did so like that says a lot that she did in in 70 minutes what what other players did in 80
00:20:46
Jarrod Dyke
does.
00:20:48
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:20:49
Grumpy Old Prop
um yeah, especially as a lock. like that you you You would expect your seven to make those kind of tackles or your six and stuff like that, but but that's a lot of work done by law but you know by by locks there.
00:21:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Where
00:21:09
Grumpy Old Prop
were you Tackles completed. I'm going to look back at the list. Yeah, because Abby Ward had 10 herself, but Shit, that's her counterpart.
00:21:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, you did.
00:21:20
Grumpy Old Prop
They came off at the same time. So, you know, Abby got the the try, which was also awesome to see her, you know, her daughter there just to be a part of it
00:21:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was great. Very good. um So, England, you finally got there. like You got to the top of the mountain.
00:21:41
Jarrod Dyke
Nobody can take that away from you. and The things that this team and this tournament in general have done for the sport. Again, we talk about under can't be overstayed, cannot be overstayed.
00:21:56
Jarrod Dyke
like It's very clear how much it means to this country, to to the sport, to the women's game itself. what they've done. And it also speaks to, in Canada more so in a lot of ways, it speaks to what can happen when you invest in these players, what can happen?
00:22:19
Jarrod Dyke
Like imagine, imagine for a second, if Canada even invested half the money that England did, are we talking about a different result in this game?
00:22:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:22:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:22:30
Jarrod Dyke
Possibly, possibly.
00:22:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Probably.
00:22:31
Jarrod Dyke
I'd say, I'd say it's a, the percentage is up there. So, Just keep that in mind. That's to everyone out there. Do not ignore this this game. Do not ignore these players.
00:22:42
Jarrod Dyke
This is a wonderful game. this is a wonderful These are wonderful players. and they And they have so many things that rugby needs besides the fact that they play so well. So let's let's invest in these girls. Let's invest in these women and make this fucking thing happen, will we?
00:23:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. And the same for the US because I would like to see our ladies up there.
00:23:04
Jarrod Dyke
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, would I ever...
00:23:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Please.
00:23:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, agreed.
00:23:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Because they I think now, right now, i think they're good enough. talent Talent-wise. Now it's like, get them to fucking play together.
00:23:18
Jarrod Dyke
Well, and get a coach that lasts for longer than 18 months, for fuck's sake.
00:23:18
Grumpy Old Prop
but Teach them how to play like but like... Teach them how to actually play rugby. What the game of rugby entails. Not just
00:23:28
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah, like some of the basics and and the the some of them get it, but man, some of them don't just yet.
00:23:37
Grumpy Old Prop
So anyway.
00:23:42
Jarrod Dyke
All right.
00:23:42
Grumpy Old Prop
But yes, obviously, congratulations to England.
00:23:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Like I'm not I'm not trying to take a that away.
00:23:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yes. but Yes.
00:23:46
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just like, damn it, please let this lead to somehow to growth in the US.
00:23:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:23:50
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
00:23:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, please. Please, please, please. um All right. We say goodbye to Rugby World Cup 25. We will see you.
00:24:04
Jarrod Dyke
in four years in Australia and may may it be even better somehow I don't know how but somehow make it even better so we'll see you there friends okay please please although I wonder where the I wonder where the line store the women's going in a couple of years here that'll be interesting
00:24:10
Grumpy Old Prop
But, yeah.
00:24:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Hopefully they use some of that Lion's money to get shit ready.
00:24:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:24:33
Grumpy Old Prop
It will.
00:24:34
Jarrod Dyke
So we'll see. ah we'll that's that that That's not, we're not there yet. We'll see. Oh man. Okay. um
00:24:45
Jarrod Dyke
Do we want, do we want to do the thing that's not necessarily a rugby first or do you want to just like move on?
00:24:54
Grumpy Old Prop
but talk about flow no let's move on they're they're they're garbage this is annoying if nothing else the ads like yeah we're gonna talk about it okay we're gonna talk about it yeah
00:24:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:24:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:25:03
Jarrod Dyke
What's more?
00:25:06
Jarrod Dyke
it's It's more that, yeah, we need we need to at least address it a little bit because here's the thing. right, folks, if you're over in Europe, stop fucking giving these idiots the contract.
00:25:17
Jarrod Dyke
Stop. Okay? Whatever you're doing, do not do it.
00:25:19
Grumpy Old Prop
no bad
00:25:21
Jarrod Dyke
Okay?
00:25:22
Grumpy Old Prop
you
00:25:22
Jarrod Dyke
Stop. These guys are not going to grow your game.
00:25:25
Jarrod Dyke
They might pay you the most or give you the best deal, whatever the fuck, whatever way it goes.
00:25:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:25:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:25:30
Jarrod Dyke
don't give a shit, honestly. but you're not going to grow the game. They don't have access to any cable network whatsoever.
00:25:34
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:25:37
Jarrod Dyke
They are the most expensive service over here and they cock it up constantly.
00:25:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:25:43
Jarrod Dyke
Like I can't, I can't tell you how, how much like, Oh, it,
00:25:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Like there was a critical spot in in the ah even like even obviously the size matches the one that we were paying the most attention to and it was like a line out by Newcastle deep in Saturday territory.
00:26:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And it was like, okay, cool. And guess like they, they cut to like, they had commercial. So like they, they'd split the screen with the commercial, of course.
00:26:05
Jarrod Dyke
They split the screen with the commercial and they made the commercial the bigger screen, by the way.
00:26:11
Grumpy Old Prop
And so it's like, but it was perfectly timed actually. And to be, to be fair, to be fair, it would have been perfectly timed if it was one commercial, but they think they ran three.
00:26:21
Jarrod Dyke
They ran three and there's probably no other button for them to hit other than that.
00:26:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And it's like,
00:26:25
Jarrod Dyke
So.
00:26:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. have Have a, like, just someone watching and be like, okay, we're resetting, know, there's a knock on. Okay, we're resetting for a scrum. We'll hit a, we'll hit a just a quick commercial there. Like, kind of like they do in hockey.
00:26:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Think of it that way. And they don't. And it's really fucking frustrating.
00:26:44
Jarrod Dyke
And then it gets into the middle of the play. And it happened today during the...
00:26:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:26:49
Jarrod Dyke
and Oh, and then, by the way, it cut out during two games. Don't forget that.
00:26:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, it did, yeah. Because I didn't get to watch Sail Gloucester.
00:26:55
Jarrod Dyke
No, I did. And it cut out in both halves.
00:26:57
Grumpy Old Prop
I watched some of it, but yeah, I missed a lot.
00:26:59
Jarrod Dyke
Both halves of that.
00:27:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:00
Jarrod Dyke
And then it cut out um the last ten minutes of the one the first one this morning. Like, fucking hell. Like, Flo, hear me now.
00:27:11
Jarrod Dyke
Fuck off.
00:27:12
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:27:13
Jarrod Dyke
Please. Like, stop. Just stop. And good Lord in heaven, if someone, whoever the decision makers over there, like, can you call someone that actually under like watches the games over here and not some Muppet from U.S.
00:27:27
Jarrod Dyke
Rugby? Because those guys are super reliable always.
00:27:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:31
Jarrod Dyke
Never. So please, please, please, please talk to someone that actually knows what the fuck is going on if you're going to try and give them the freaking contract because it ain't fucking worth it. No way.
00:27:43
Jarrod Dyke
And it makes nobody happy. Okay, to the games. um Sale in Gloucester. it was ah It was an opening weekend game on a Thursday night, and it looked like it, honestly.
00:27:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it did it was not a yeah There were there are better played matches. Let's put it that way. from From, yeah.
00:28:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there were. And there were moments that were brilliant, and then there was a lot of bleh at times, too.
00:28:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:28:10
Jarrod Dyke
So, im yeah, I'm inclined to just chalk this up to that.
00:28:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, kind of like Clement having the try, um which was a pretty sweet try, followed by the yellow card, which was a pretty dumbass yellow card.
00:28:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:28:20
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like, that's kind of the game. that That was how, like, and people were in it, people were out of it.
00:28:23
Jarrod Dyke
that's pretty much how and That's pretty much how it went for him.
00:28:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it was not good. It was not good um in terms of just, you know, the value of watching. And it looked like some of these guys hadn't been around and' been around each other much. And yeah, the play the bla dictated as such.
00:28:40
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah, like I feel like there's a thing about how the first bat, like the the whole baseball thing of the first batter of the season tells the story of of how your your season might go. like ah feel like that Roebuck try, it was kind of the story of the game. like Ugly, did it did it, okay, yeah, it's a try.
00:28:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, cool. We can move on from that. late That's kind of what this game was like, alright, yeah, this was definitely game one, flush it, and let's like
00:29:02
Jarrod Dyke
And here we go.
00:29:07
Grumpy Old Prop
remember how to play as a team again.
00:29:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, everyone, please. um right, let's go.
Game Highlights and Criticisms
00:29:13
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go Friday night. ah Better entertainment value, I i dare say. um but you know, jeez.
00:29:23
Jarrod Dyke
Quinn's. You run out to a three-try lead and you just totally spit it away. Like, man. All three of them scored by Will Evans, by the way.
00:29:35
Grumpy Old Prop
And probably, yeah um yeah kind of crazy um
00:29:43
Jarrod Dyke
But they only converted one of them. that That's kind of the thing where it bit them a little bit.
00:29:48
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah well not have it's again you know jared evans it's it's you're not don't know you're gonna have to work a little bit harder with the jared evans type than obviously with a marcus smith so i feel like this one and but at the same time you know bath don't have finn like they they were they were missing some guys and um
00:30:07
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, Ajooma was playing 10.
00:30:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Miles Reed was missing some hair.
00:30:12
Jarrod Dyke
hold he's got a funny-shaped head, I have to say.
00:30:14
Grumpy Old Prop
does. I still think he actually looks better without the hair.
00:30:16
Jarrod Dyke
But he...
00:30:18
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I don't know.
00:30:19
Jarrod Dyke
I think he needs to grow that shit back, honestly.
00:30:19
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah He doesn't the doesn't look as goofy, but okay.
00:30:24
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, true. Oh, man, yeah. ah gen genetics the Genetics of that were not on your side, Miles. I'm sorry.
00:30:31
Grumpy Old Prop
It's a distinctive look. It's an acquired taste.
00:30:32
Jarrod Dyke
It is. oh he's he's notable, this to say the least.
00:30:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:36
Jarrod Dyke
He's a very easy-identifiable person, sadly. ah Anyways. And then second half. Well, even the end of the first half, like, shoot.
00:30:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, I also wanted to, I do want to mention though, I liked that um the way the Quinn still structured their pack. I liked that they put Cunningham South in at lock.
00:30:58
Jarrod Dyke
F4.
00:30:59
Grumpy Old Prop
And then, cause you know, having Evans and Cunningham on the field, I mean, both of them scored tries, obviously, you know, combine the head, combine the head four, but um that still kind of validates that tactic, even if the scoreline didn't really help them, but you know,
00:30:59
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:31:15
Grumpy Old Prop
when you have Henry Arundel and just
00:31:17
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:31:20
Jarrod Dyke
It is.
00:31:21
Jarrod Dyke
and they and
00:31:22
Grumpy Old Prop
the kids good.
00:31:22
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and I mean, that's on top of coconut singer and Molly Lawrence.
00:31:23
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:31:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And there's just, there's, there's too much out there with the, the Queens just, it's not their, certainly not their best team.
00:31:34
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:31:35
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, again, as you mentioned, you know, not bass best team, but still a damn good squad. and Like outside of,
00:31:43
Jarrod Dyke
it is
00:31:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, Joe Mo at 10, but like that's, you know, he's trained and he's been training to do that to step in. And that's to him, that's still a damn good back line. Yeah, like.
00:31:53
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Yeah, most of that box line would start start in a lot of places, so...
00:31:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and, you know, Quinza are starting something called a Sean Sean Kerr and. You know, we're not the biggest fans of Oscar Beard, although he's this place getting a little bit better, but Evans is also not a great 10, not like.
00:32:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:32:09
Jarrod Dyke
He's gotten better.
00:32:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And by that I mean he's not on Marcus Smith's level.
00:32:15
Jarrod Dyke
No, he's not, and...
00:32:16
Grumpy Old Prop
i it's not He's not gonna make that back go. That backline go like that but center combination needs, they both need someone else better than them to help them out to draw space. you know The back three is dangerous, but if you just work to keep it away from them, or if you have your own back three that are also awesome, as Bath do.
00:32:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:32:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, the matchups always favored Bath in it, and so did the scoreline obviously.
00:32:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. We said it before, it might be wearing days for Quinns this year.
00:32:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it's going to be rough. They they got really got to sort that defense out. I don't know why that's not working at all.
00:32:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. Wilson leaving kind of last minute it didn't really help either.
00:33:01
Jarrod Dyke
I'll give him that. So it might it might take him a few more weeks right the ship here.
00:33:01
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:33:07
Jarrod Dyke
well let's Let's head up to the team.
00:33:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Speaking of righting the ship.
00:33:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. um Well, I mean, so the 20-minute red card is here, and i and i know that i mean to say this harrison's benefit from it is probably incorrect because they brought harry wilson whos nothing he's he's a he's he's a he's a figure in with that fits within a jersey that's about it so i i don't know that if that really benefited them them per se he was there it's about the most i could say about harry wilson so take that for what it is um
00:33:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I didn't find him particularly noticeable.
00:33:50
Jarrod Dyke
No. And, um, and no, that's right.
00:33:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry, caught an ice cube.
00:33:56
Jarrod Dyke
Um, we, uh, so you and I were actually discussing, um, this afternoon, the reason we hate the 20 minutes is because of red is because coaching doesn't necessarily coach themselves to avoid stuff like this.
00:34:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:34:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:11
Jarrod Dyke
And you and i found a, I happened to find a video of a quote unquote coach as teaching guys to hit up. when when they're tackling. It's like, you're you know you're naturally going to go up when you're tired anyway.
00:34:24
Jarrod Dyke
So if you start there and or mistime the shit out of this thing, which it happens a lot when guys try and hit up, you're going get a freaking red card, dumbass, and going to hurt someone.
00:34:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yup.
00:34:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. yes
00:34:36
Jarrod Dyke
So this is why we are not fans of 20-minute red cards, because coaches are helmets.
00:34:37
Grumpy Old Prop
It's... it's
00:34:42
Jarrod Dyke
And that's why.
00:34:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:46
Jarrod Dyke
Um... But other than that, there was Rucky played.
00:34:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. um Although, that was ah that was a crazy fucking tackle. like Between, what was it, Michelou and Andy Onyama Christy.
00:35:02
Grumpy Old Prop
And then whoever Red Bull coming in
00:35:04
Jarrod Dyke
There's McGregs. I got dumped.
00:35:06
Grumpy Old Prop
to like help out like they like that was um yeah sorry sorry george you got you got needlessly fucked up there so i'm hope you know hope you're feeling better
00:35:07
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:35:13
Jarrod Dyke
I did not mean to try and break you.
00:35:22
Jarrod Dyke
But, um,
00:35:25
Jarrod Dyke
the, uh, Sersons had this guy named Farrell that was a new signing this year, and don't know, looks like he's played here before.
00:35:32
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:35:34
Jarrod Dyke
not sure, though.
00:35:35
Grumpy Old Prop
He kind of seemed to know the territory and, you know, even though he got his nose almost rearranged home or maybe was rearranged.
00:35:42
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, my God. I look good on him.
00:35:46
Grumpy Old Prop
um But yeah, like that, you could tell the difference in how their attack operated. And nothing, obviously um nothing against Fergus Burke, but it's so much better to have someone like Farrell there just to take the pressure off you a little bit, which he, you know, didn't quite have.
00:36:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Like Tomo played well.
00:36:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, well,
00:36:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Tomo played amazing, I should say, this game.
00:36:11
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, he did.
00:36:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um And that that helped too.
00:36:15
Jarrod Dyke
makes like He makes life easy for for the guys around him. and In this case, it's Burke and and Tompkins.
00:36:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:36:20
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, I will say, i felt like the commentary was docking Fergus a little hard I yes he had a rough rough start but as the year grew he definitely felt more at home and definitely looked a ton better and know you're you're switching you're you're you're moving home and you're moving to a new team that you've never played on before you're not you know he's he he was in Christchurch for the night for 90 of his career like don't yeah it's true he does
00:36:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he did.
00:36:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:36:44
Grumpy Old Prop
And there's expectations. It's not. Yeah, so like you he understands the expectations, but it's still like it's one thing when you come up within a system and you can know just know how to operate it. Now you're coming to a totally different place, different system, different, you know,
00:37:00
Grumpy Old Prop
way of doing things and and but also a championship like you can't argue with that they the way they do things is gonna win so it's like but now there's the pressure of that to like switch immediately and get it right and he yeah he towards the end of the year he did and i thought he did well this match too
00:37:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and I yeah i do too. And I feel like he played more, number one, he's obviously more at ease because he's more comfortable here now.
00:37:24
Jarrod Dyke
But even still, with Farrell sitting next to him at 12, how much easier is his life going to be? in that 10 shirt, if he's got hit, you know, and for me, for me, myself, you know, if I have a 12, that's very experienced. I want them to tell, to talk to the tenant a lot and be like, I'm seeing this, are you seeing this. And if they both see it, let's do it.
00:37:24
Grumpy Old Prop
mm-hmm
00:37:44
Jarrod Dyke
You know, stuff like that. And of course, Farrell's just, Farrell's not never shy about opening his mouth. mouth So, you know, he's, he's gonna, he's, while Burke might get annoyed at this, at him every once in a while, which, you know, a lot of people do, that's okay.
00:37:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:37:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:37:57
Jarrod Dyke
You join the club. um
00:37:59
Grumpy Old Prop
But what, yeah, and what a player, like, what that does for a player, too, is, you know, just because he doesn't want to get barked at all the time,
00:38:00
Jarrod Dyke
It'll still do him good.
00:38:08
Grumpy Old Prop
he'll then anticipate, he'll work to anticipate what, what Farrell sees and what Farrell wants so that he he'll call it, you know, he'll, it's, it's going to be a competition. Like who calls it first?
00:38:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yep.
00:38:19
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and then that means he's, he's looking for it. So um yeah, that's just going to make him such a better 10. That's what I, that's what I was really excited about Farrell. Cause in, in, in a perfect world, we can't expect Farrell to play not nearly as many matches as we expect fergusburg to play let's put it that way so it's one of these this is a handoff situation i believe like you know farrell's not here to play 12 for the next five years um or even three years probably so it's like this is like kind of a win now thing and you're gonna use him on and off and you're gonna you know you have they have ah plenty of good centers
00:39:04
Grumpy Old Prop
um salaries do so it's going to be up to to fergus to actually see it himself so that's what i think was going to help with with you know farrell being there to you know gain that
00:39:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but i really feel like with him, yeah,
00:39:13
Jarrod Dyke
I do too. Yeah, and with Farrell at 12, it gives them that defensive captain that they've been missing missing in the midfield since since Bars' is departure, which, you know, you never thought you'd say that, how much you missed him.
00:39:21
Grumpy Old Prop
mm-hmm yeah
00:39:27
Jarrod Dyke
that Man, it is a notable thing. And, know, barring the Freddie Clark try, know, which came, Kind of weird thing.
00:39:37
Jarrod Dyke
In a kind of weird circumstance. 67 minutes.
00:39:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:40
Jarrod Dyke
like and We'll talk about Adam Leal in a minute here. yeah you know But they won the red card period 8-0. So this is...
00:39:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um No. What was it? her Oh, no, because that was given out.
00:39:53
Jarrod Dyke
That was given right after the Hurl try like as he scored.
00:39:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, right.
00:39:57
Jarrod Dyke
So don't count that.
00:39:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. but Gotcha. Yeah.
00:40:01
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah. The Jackson try who also looked good said he had to come off. But Yeah, two guys we got to talk about. First of all, Noah Kalori. Oh, my God.
00:40:11
Grumpy Old Prop
oh ah ah Welcome.
00:40:15
Jarrod Dyke
Welcome to the prom, dude.
00:40:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Make yourself at home. ah guess.
00:40:19
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, that was audacious. Oh, my goodness.
00:40:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Just cheeky. Like, I'm 19.
00:40:26
Jarrod Dyke
Oh.
00:40:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know what I'm doing. I'll just kick it to myself. And I'll just bounce it right back to me.
00:40:32
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:40:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And use my, like, 20-foot arm to just snatch it on my way through.
00:40:37
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, God, yeah, I know.
00:40:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, just...
00:40:39
Jarrod Dyke
Who's back there? Hurl, Conan, one of them. They didn't look good.
00:40:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:40:43
Jarrod Dyke
and they were just They looked like they had no idea what they were doing, and and they were the kid.
00:40:50
Jarrod Dyke
Shit.
00:40:50
Grumpy Old Prop
and just cool as you like just grab that ball out of the air with one hand and yeah
00:40:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, plucked out there, and whoop.
00:40:56
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man, that was too good.
00:40:57
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:40:58
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:40:59
Jarrod Dyke
um And then, and we'll talk about refereeing a little bit, um but here's the thing. And I put the likes of Tempest, Ridley, and fucking Adam Leo all in the same category.
00:41:13
Jarrod Dyke
You guys are crazy. horrible, but you cannot admit you're horrible. And somehow, some way people steve keep still pumping these guys' tires, making them think they're great and give them assignments that they have no business doing.
00:41:26
Jarrod Dyke
And here's the thing. Adam Neal, take the hint. You had both teams up your ass. You had both teams right up your ass.
00:41:34
Grumpy Old Prop
okay
00:41:34
Jarrod Dyke
The common denominator, and this is not the first time he's had this, by the way. The common denominator here, bud, is you and your shittiness. learn that you actually don't know what the fuck you're doing and get better or continue to have this situation where you've got both teams just freaking right on top of your case because you continue to cock up calls left and right.
00:41:45
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:41:56
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah and it's like it's one thing if it was rare because that's the thing it's rare like you know we're talking about how do you define a bad ref and i think in in that case that that would be it if you have both teams mad at you first off if you only have one team mad at you um and they're like i don't know depends on the the situation but um you have one team's like um mad at you the other one's laughing with you and then it's like you're you're definitely fucking this up but um or at least not helping the situation but if you got both of them yelling at you
00:42:31
Grumpy Old Prop
It's because they don't know how to play to you. Because they're like, this is you you allow this one time that you don't this other time. And it's just, when is it when's it one way and when's it the other?
00:42:40
Jarrod Dyke
Exactly.
00:42:42
Grumpy Old Prop
like fucking Can you be consistent at all? Because I don't know from breakdown to breakdown. doesn't matter who's got the ball. I don't even know what the hell I'm supposed to do or I'm allowed to do.
00:42:49
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:42:51
Jarrod Dyke
No. No.
00:42:51
Grumpy Old Prop
And like these are people who who are professionals at playing.
00:42:54
Grumpy Old Prop
And they need to know what they're allowed and not allowed to do. It's got to be clear. And that's true from any level, though.
00:43:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but he and he's just got his head firmly planted up his ass in this case.
00:43:04
Grumpy Old Prop
But they're just bad at it. And that was, yeah. Yeah. Like the only time, to me, the only time is acceptable for, well, that doesn't matter.
00:43:10
Jarrod Dyke
don't think there's any way around that.
00:43:15
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going off on the rest anyway.
00:43:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's bad. so But anyway, um let's so we'll skip Saturday, obviously, because we already talked about Saturday rugby.
00:43:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:43:29
Jarrod Dyke
um Stuff we watched this morning.
00:43:37
Jarrod Dyke
I'm so indifferent on this fucking match to the point where I just want to flush it and forget about it. But I loved it, but I hated it. And it's just like, fuck off the whole thing.
00:43:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, here's the thing. If... Again, it's it's a very simple tactic. In that... the um there's There's three players on Exeter that are even a little scary.
00:44:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And you just kept kicking the ball to them.
00:44:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:44:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Like... So, one thing I mentioned, you know, first half, and it was ah a fucking blowout first half, because...
00:44:18
Grumpy Old Prop
saints just ran at, and and to be, to be blunt, they, they ran at Slade's channel and they got line break after line break in doing that.
00:44:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And then at halftime, they're just like, let's go into a shell and we'll make sure that that Brown Bampo gets the ball and that Faye Waboso gets the ball and that Hodge gets, well, God gets the ball till he red cards himself.
00:44:42
Jarrod Dyke
Just a red card. Dumb fuck.
00:44:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And we'll see a little bit.
00:44:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, but like These are the people you want to keep away from. These are the only people want to keep away from the ball. Like Vincent scored off of like a ah sweet play by the back line. And yeah, he's fast. But at that point, they were just behind everybody. He was just the last man to get the ball. like Good for him. I'm not not saying anything, but it's like it was because, again, you gave the ball to the fast guys.
00:45:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Stop doing that.
00:45:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah. It's... ah Yeah, the saints the Saints let this happen in a lot of ways.
00:45:13
Grumpy Old Prop
A lot of waste.
00:45:13
Jarrod Dyke
I'm sorry, and i will I'm going to do everything I can to not give Exeter credit, barring Faye Waboso and Brown Bampo, because they certainly made their own they made their own hay on that one.
00:45:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:45:22
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:45:25
Grumpy Old Prop
They're so good.
00:45:25
Jarrod Dyke
But i'm no, I'm just i'm just not going to give Exeter credit, because they did nothing to create.
00:45:28
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:45:30
Jarrod Dyke
they were They were given gifts of penalties by Dixie.
00:45:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:45:34
Jarrod Dyke
the referee, because, I'm sorry, when did does it become a second bite because you've got your other arm onto the ball while you're trying to poach? Like, and don't get that.
00:45:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:43
Jarrod Dyke
The Pearson penalty, and that set up, that ended up setting a fucking try.
00:45:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
00:45:47
Jarrod Dyke
Like, you jackass.
00:45:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because he had both hands on the ball. The the one player ripped one away. still had the other on the ball.
00:45:53
Jarrod Dyke
Still had the other one on.
00:45:55
Grumpy Old Prop
He's like, second bite? No, that was the same bite.
00:45:58
Jarrod Dyke
No, I still had it on my other hand. And but if for all the people that are just like, oh, you need to have both hands. No, you don't. I've absolutely been able to take a ball away with one hand. Like, get the fuck out of here.
00:46:09
Jarrod Dyke
And if I can do that at our level, there's guys way stronger than me that can do it at that level.
00:46:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Because here's the thing.
00:46:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not... but But it's also not about you have to pull, you have to to win the fight on the deck with the man, but the tackled player.
00:46:22
Grumpy Old Prop
The whole point is he's got to release. So if you have at all the ball and lift and you get rocked over, unless like you really don't have like, you know, if if you like have your hands on the top of the ball or something like that, like you don't have possession, but if you get a hand underneath, even one hand underneath and you're pulling that, if that ball doesn't come, that's because the player on the deck held it when they're not allowed to.
00:46:24
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:46:37
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:46:45
Grumpy Old Prop
So, That's what I don't like.
00:46:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:46:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's being completely misapplied.
00:46:49
Jarrod Dyke
It's a crap interpretation.
00:46:50
Jarrod Dyke
It's a really crap interpretation.
00:46:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:46:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. So.
00:46:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there's things.
00:46:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, you got survive to survive the clear out. I get it. But that's really about off feet and stuff. This isn't like it's not really about, oh, you got driven backwards. Well, you still have if you still could have pulled the ball with you, then that's a pen that's a penalty.
00:47:06
Grumpy Old Prop
There it is.
00:47:07
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely.
00:47:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Blow it.
00:47:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. So, yeah. And, you I won't take, ah I'll try not to take a ton away from the stuff that North Hampton did, because, man, it was it good when it was.
00:47:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was like.
00:47:20
Jarrod Dyke
Like, Tadaro, a couple of the guys in our chat talked about him.
00:47:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:47:25
Jarrod Dyke
um You know, I wasn't, I was, yeah, did.
00:47:27
Grumpy Old Prop
And he had himself a day.
00:47:29
Jarrod Dyke
um I was a little unsure about Bello, but I think there's good there.
00:47:33
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:47:35
Jarrod Dyke
I think i think he needs, yeah you know, even just um Tom James beck and back at nine to help him out a little bit more.
00:47:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
00:47:45
Jarrod Dyke
McParlin is young and and talented, and no question. and When this kid plays well, he plays well.
00:47:51
Jarrod Dyke
But when he plays badly, he just totally loses the plot.
00:47:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, but...
00:47:54
Grumpy Old Prop
when and but Yeah, when he plays badly, he kicks it to the back three that he needs to keep the ball away from.
00:47:54
Jarrod Dyke
and Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
00:48:02
Grumpy Old Prop
So I guess reading between lines, he played badly today.
00:48:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. He did indeed. ah Let's go over to the gate.
00:48:13
Jarrod Dyke
i mean... You won, but at what cost?
00:48:17
Grumpy Old Prop
This is like a Pyrrhic victory. As Pyrrhic as Pyrrhic gets.
00:48:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
Team Performances and Player Impact
00:48:21
Grumpy Old Prop
You lose Randall, although um' i feel like the Randall thing should have been a card because it was cynical and the player got hurt.
00:48:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like there's got to be so it's it's more than and yeah there's there's a lot of build up.
00:48:31
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:48:35
Grumpy Old Prop
There's more more to it than just the um the infraction itself. It was dickish behavior. I thought that should have been a card. Yeah.
00:48:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Personally, especially, you know again, because it's often an injury. Like, you didn't have to do that, and now he's hurt. Like, it should be treated pretty harshly.
00:48:55
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:48:57
Grumpy Old Prop
But not not that it mattered in the end. Well, except, you know, couple weeks down the line, we'll see.
00:48:59
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:49:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Hopefully, Randall, that flu that's just like a ah ah bad strain or something, I hope.
00:49:04
Jarrod Dyke
Oh.
00:49:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's what the hope is there. But AJ is going to be done for a while, sadly.
00:49:09
Grumpy Old Prop
and AJ's done.
00:49:11
Jarrod Dyke
It'll be, you know, that'll be end of the season.
00:49:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, he's done.
00:49:15
Jarrod Dyke
We won't see him until the end of the season again, I would wager.
00:49:17
Grumpy Old Prop
No, that that looked like an Achilles as far as I could tell. it was like there was no knee buckling.
00:49:20
Jarrod Dyke
Total NCI.
00:49:22
Grumpy Old Prop
It was NCA. Yeah, it was and and it was as he was pushing off. And that's like when they go.
00:49:25
Jarrod Dyke
and reach right for his ankle. Yeah.
00:49:30
Grumpy Old Prop
So that's, you know, by unprofessional. Like that's what I'm assuming because it looked bad.
00:49:36
Jarrod Dyke
I have to say, I've seen that movie enough times.
00:49:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:49:39
Jarrod Dyke
I know what it
00:49:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly.
00:49:41
Jarrod Dyke
um Ibutoye, do we think that's a rolled ankle?
00:49:45
Grumpy Old Prop
I hope so. hope it's not a knee.
00:49:47
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Okay. So we'll see what that that comes of it.
00:49:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:49:52
Jarrod Dyke
Marmee and me have come out this with a little bit of ah
00:49:54
Jarrod Dyke
ah An injury too. He was grabbing for his hand. So i don't know if he broke. Hopefully he didn't break anything. cause if he did, that's, you know, that's a few weeks easily.
00:49:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:50:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:03
Jarrod Dyke
So hopefully not them for their sake. But how big is that Tom Jordan signing now?
00:50:12
Grumpy Old Prop
It's huge. I mean...
00:50:17
Grumpy Old Prop
that because now they have someone who can still get the ball to lewis re-7 as we as we saw like you you still have that potential to to to jouet um
00:50:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:34
Grumpy Old Prop
no offense to who was it last year jennings um the the center who would come like uh i think he's still on the team too but it's like no that's gonna obviously we know whose whose job that is now um
00:50:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, something like that.
00:50:47
Grumpy Old Prop
And he's going to do.
00:50:47
Jarrod Dyke
It's Tom Jordan's. As long as long as he's and with the team and healthy, yeah, I would say so.
00:50:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:54
Jarrod Dyke
We'll talk draft stuff later on. So if you had him, congratulations.
00:50:58
Jarrod Dyke
You won the lottery.
00:50:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:00
Grumpy Old Prop
He and he in the draft, he's a center, though, which is interesting.
00:51:00
Jarrod Dyke
um ah Yeah, and I think he is. But I think he's...
00:51:05
Grumpy Old Prop
So he's going to get some points as.
00:51:06
Jarrod Dyke
um ah He's a 10 in Super Brew.
00:51:11
Grumpy Old Prop
OK, cool.
00:51:12
Jarrod Dyke
So TBD on that one. alllthough We can double check it before we do FC.
00:51:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:16
Jarrod Dyke
um You know, Tigers had moments as well. I'm...
00:51:26
Jarrod Dyke
So I think the jury's still out on Jeff Parling. Obviously, it's only been one game, so won't give him too much.
00:51:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, he's a he's a fly half, by the way, in Superbrew.
00:51:33
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, there you go.
00:51:34
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm on it.
00:51:36
Jarrod Dyke
Um... So then I, ah think, I think, you know, when everyone's healthy, you're going to have, if I, if it was my up up to me, I'd have Parise and Woodward in the midfield.
00:51:50
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:51:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:51
Jarrod Dyke
Too much of the same thing between Woodward and Wand for their sake in the midfield.
00:51:55
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:51:56
Jarrod Dyke
I think if you can get a different look and maybe, and as much as I don't love him, maybe you bring Kata on early for one of them and then, you can ha a have a different look between the two of them and maybe get that ball loose out the back a little bit more.
00:52:13
Jarrod Dyke
Not that Radwin didn't need any help to find space, but ah i get Oli Hassel Collins low a little bit more more room to run.
00:52:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:52:21
Jarrod Dyke
and then you know leave and i don't one Liebenberg's loss is big. like let's well Let's just make sure we understand that.
00:52:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:52:31
Jarrod Dyke
like He is a very good loose forward. Should he play eight? No, he's probably better at six. But in terms of this team and what he brings to them and what experience he has being a Tiger, let alone experience he has as a player, but being a Tiger especially, it means a lot to have him out there for Leicester and to not have him out there.
00:52:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:52:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:52:51
Jarrod Dyke
i really think it hurt him more than a lot of people would admit. like They didn't talk about it enough on the telecast, in my opinion. Although...
00:52:59
Grumpy Old Prop
who else is Who else is like the the the grizzled veteran as the leader out there? there, there isn't right.
00:53:06
Jarrod Dyke
And i i I wouldn't go to crack. No, honestly, I like I don't I'm not a huge crackle fan. You know that that's not news.
00:53:11
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean, you know, it's nothing against him.
00:53:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Mm
00:53:13
Grumpy Old Prop
It's, it's, it's just the, like good players, still young, still coming up. Like he's not at the, he hasn't like hit his peak and he hasn't seen the, the, the part where it's like, you have to be good.
00:53:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Now you can't just use your talent.
00:53:25
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:53:27
Grumpy Old Prop
You got to really work it and, and help guys get to that point. too Like, you know, like really now you can lead the the team too. That's not there for Cracknell yet. um
00:53:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they had, yeah, Joaquin Morrow is an Argentinian.
00:53:39
Grumpy Old Prop
But even when you look all the way out, there's nobody now. Like, he's the he's the guy on that that entire squad.
00:53:47
Jarrod Dyke
think he's an international.
00:53:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm. Right.
00:53:49
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, fairly young, still 24. Probably bags of talent, just needs to get used to the system and needs to get used to the league because I'm pretty sure he hasn't played here before.
00:53:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:53:59
Jarrod Dyke
yep.
00:54:01
Grumpy Old Prop
But like Hayes is still kind of young. Nikki Smith is what he's this is his second year there. So, but you know, like even the guys who have experience aren't it's not the, um you know, obviously someone someone has has high level experience too.
00:54:06
Jarrod Dyke
yep he'd he'd be someone to
00:54:15
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just not for this club exactly.
00:54:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, in the in the forwards, I think you needed to – you had to find someone, and I'm not sure who it was.
00:54:19
Grumpy Old Prop
So.
00:54:22
Jarrod Dyke
And, you know, Cam Henderson might have been that guy, but he's still fairly young. But he's been with the Tigers for a little while now.
00:54:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:54:28
Jarrod Dyke
um Backline, I think it's got to be Van Portveliet and Stewart.
00:54:33
Jarrod Dyke
This is their club. They grew they grew up in this club. They've come through the academy. They know what takes to – takes to be a tiger and so that you well well maybe stewart can drive on the back line you know bam portfleet's going to get up his forward to asses and say guys what the fuck you know so i and listen he did he did it he was but he had a really good game no question about it um so and yeah and blemire could have been that guy but he's only been here this is his first year so you know while he's a great player and very experienced and maybe he did try to but you know he still needs to probably do some work to win over the whole the whole
00:54:33
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:54:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And he played his his ass off too, JVP.
00:54:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:55:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Right.
00:55:09
Jarrod Dyke
squad So there's that as well.
00:55:14
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Let's do some superlatives and some pick them and we will, we'll move
Weekend Superlatives and Game Picks
00:55:20
Jarrod Dyke
on. um Players to stand out, just throw them out there.
00:55:28
Grumpy Old Prop
um Shoot, I'm trying to go back to um
00:55:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Saturday. And obviously I want to shout out, um so the the, you know, Brunt and Holmes, especially um Bayfield as well.
00:55:42
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:55:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Like just like looking up and down the fantasy sheet in that, you know, looking at from the other perspective, the it wasn't the stars that really, you know, the ones that everybody's been talking about, obviously Sorenson McGee put down too, but it was the ones who have been really more of a setup then the than the, the, the try scorers who were putting it down for,
00:56:07
Grumpy Old Prop
the black firms and i thought that was really cool but it's like okay these people you know obviously you know everyone knows porcia woodman woodcliffe like she doesn't have to score in this game it'd be kind of cool if she did but i'm sure she doesn't care as long as she wins and seeing the players who've done so much of the support work and and you know bearing the you know the brunt of the labor um to get the people the ball thank you um it was good to see them uh get some some tries so
00:56:31
Jarrod Dyke
I see what you, I see what you did there.
00:56:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Um, I didn't get a chance to mention her. Um, but the last two, three games for the black runners, Kaipo Olsen Baker has been very good and she's pretty young and,
00:56:49
Jarrod Dyke
Um, Michele 2, who was the number eight, but she has pushed her right out of that role. And the only way to Michele 2 can get into the team right now is at six because she's played so freaking well. So wanted to give her a shout out.
00:57:04
Grumpy Old Prop
I want to give a shout out in a different direction too if we go over to the Prem Brett Connan I thought in a losing effort it was still he made it He did some damage with, well, first off with his boot, but also um i thought he put his his team in a real good position. I think he's coming along nicely, especially you you get him some people around him.
00:57:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:57:27
Jarrod Dyke
I think Bwada Chamberlain could be another one of those guys, as we were talking about Perkins Perkins Perl, maybe not as experienced or as or as good, but still someone that's been around the block a time or two. um I think he could give some reliefs to Conant if he's on the field with him at the same time.
00:57:43
Jarrod Dyke
So we'll see if Newcastle can use the two of them properly and what the what happens with that.
00:57:44
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:57:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:51
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, I mean, the whole Canada and candidate team. Yep, you're welcome.
00:57:58
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, I kind of, that whole, everybody on that entire pitch, starters, reserves, that was like, yeah.
00:57:58
Jarrod Dyke
Every single one of them. Every single one of them.
00:58:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:58:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:58:07
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:58:07
Jarrod Dyke
And Canada, if you've not if you've not gotten Rue to commit to the next cycle, what are you doing?
00:58:07
Grumpy Old Prop
That was such a well-played game overall.
00:58:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Do it now. I think they did.
00:58:15
Jarrod Dyke
yeah I think...
00:58:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Pretty sure did.
00:58:16
Jarrod Dyke
I'm betting they have. um Yeah, I thought Revalvo was good and when he came in on for Bristol as well.
00:58:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:58:24
Jarrod Dyke
A couple other guys in there. But yeah.
00:58:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Todaro had himself a nice little debut.
00:58:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good day.
00:58:31
Grumpy Old Prop
As we mentioned before.
00:58:31
Jarrod Dyke
um Yep. and Spit the bit.
00:58:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I'm not going go with I have my dick of the day, so that's not what that is.
00:58:44
Jarrod Dyke
Not that. Not that. Yeah. they Yeah.
00:58:46
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:58:46
Jarrod Dyke
We talked about it already. um I mean, the refereeing for the most part this weekend was shit.
00:58:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, yeah.
00:58:50
Jarrod Dyke
And then I'll throw a flow onto that, onto that list as well.
00:58:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'd say Gloucester kind of shit spit the bit that like the they they had like this game in a position they could have won and they just kind of pooped it away.
00:58:56
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah, I can agree on that one.
00:59:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:59:06
Grumpy Old Prop
um And and
00:59:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no, you you're not going to give an argument out of me, man.
00:59:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Quinn's defense, obviously.
00:59:11
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, my God. just to Just the let off of it.
00:59:15
Jarrod Dyke
well Man. Man, oh, man. ah All right. um
00:59:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:20
Grumpy Old Prop
And Archie McParlem.
00:59:20
Jarrod Dyke
Try the week. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:59:23
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:59:23
Jarrod Dyke
Try the week.
00:59:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Try the week, I think, has to be um like Kalaori.
00:59:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yes. Yes.
00:59:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Just like...
00:59:31
Jarrod Dyke
Shout out to the Holmes try. And I loved every bit of that, but yes, it's gotta be this kid's try.
00:59:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And the Bourdain-San Suze try was up there.
00:59:36
Jarrod Dyke
Good Lord.
00:59:38
Grumpy Old Prop
And, you know, also the ah the Carrington try ah for Bristol was up there too.
00:59:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:59:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:59:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. The, uh, the seed, I think it came from Jordan off that.
00:59:43
Grumpy Old Prop
But the one touch...
00:59:47
Grumpy Old Prop
The one touch and then the bounce of the ball and the tomahawk grab, like, no. No.
00:59:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you win kid. Good job.
00:59:55
Grumpy Old Prop
right Yeah.
00:59:58
Jarrod Dyke
Um, um, Coaches to and to give to give a mention to?
01:00:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Pat Lamb.
01:00:05
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
01:00:06
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, again, someone who has worked himself off the hot seat and it's nice and all, but um
01:00:14
Grumpy Old Prop
this is a a win that had to be had because, like you know, this is a... this could be a difference in between Bristol and Leicester at the end of the season. um
01:00:23
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm. And where they finish, yeah.
01:00:24
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, right and when they finish and and how it all works out.
01:00:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:00:27
Grumpy Old Prop
So this this could also be a win that makes sure that Bristol's in the top four in the long run. um They needed it and they played really well, um especially once, you know, McGinty goes down early and they just kind of stayed cool and and kept playing their game.
01:00:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:00:43
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:00:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:00:46
Grumpy Old Prop
it's It's working well there.
01:00:48
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed. Agreed, agreed.
01:00:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, and Rob Baxter for changing his calls a little bit. They looked looked like it mattered.
01:00:56
Jarrod Dyke
Never. Wait, never mind. Oh, man. um Young player.
01:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, I mentioned the two. um So the, who is it? um Carrington for Bears and Calori for Saris, just for their, like,
01:01:11
Jarrod Dyke
Bristol, yeah.
01:01:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:01:19
Grumpy Old Prop
debut weekends where they score and just rock it up.
01:01:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, I'm going with Todaro from this morning.
01:01:23
Grumpy Old Prop
That's also a good one.
01:01:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. Future's bright. Got some good talent out there.
01:01:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:01:32
Jarrod Dyke
ah All right. Player of the week.
01:01:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Player of the week. hadn't even considered a player of the week. um But I think it's got to be Kabea. Like
01:01:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:01:49
Grumpy Old Prop
i sorry you win player of the match in a world cup final and she played her like yeah and she deserved it so and honestly if it wasn't for the yellow that I think probably should have been a red um it absolutely could have been um shoot lost the name um
01:01:49
Jarrod Dyke
Player the match in a... Player the match in a final. Yeah. Hard to argue.
01:01:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Agreed.
01:02:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Hannah Botterman she was playing like a fucking beast in that match.
01:02:18
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, Hannah Bonner.
01:02:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And I think, you know, it had potential for a player of the match too. Because she was just getting turnovers left and right, it felt like. um But then...
01:02:30
Jarrod Dyke
Slowing down ball in general, yeah.
01:02:31
Grumpy Old Prop
But then that, that yeah, that yellow, no. Unfortunate.
01:02:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Very, very, very. couldn' yeah ne du it It was probably correctly called a a yellow, but man, be very careful with that shit.
01:02:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I think he could have been a like you yeah could yeah it could have been argued to go to red. I just... I think it should have.
01:02:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you don't want to be ah you don't want to play on that line, though.
01:02:51
Grumpy Old Prop
um Right.
01:02:56
Jarrod Dyke
um Tick of the week. yeah We were talking about this before.
01:03:00
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:03:01
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, my God.
01:03:01
Grumpy Old Prop
ah I think the weakest Cheslin Colby. Hmm.
01:03:04
Jarrod Dyke
yeah oh my god Oh, you Don't, don't drop. You know, it's gotta be a drop kick from that situation. Don't, don't put it, hit it, hit the ball with a drop kick.
01:03:17
Jarrod Dyke
Cause that's legal. Especially if the referee's kind of, you know, just throwing everything to the wind, which they sometimes do like, just don't do it.
01:03:23
Grumpy Old Prop
but but like why why would you drop kick it at all like that that's that's the part that's the part that gets to me like it doesn't make sense to like not just like yeah tap it over there like why drop kick it it's just so very like specific and unusual you don't see players like oh i i um
01:03:29
Jarrod Dyke
Obviously wasn't using. spra
01:03:47
Grumpy Old Prop
I knocked the ball on and caught it again. going to drop kick it. No, they just hoof it, right? Like, the like it's just so odd. It's such a thing that most people wouldn't do.
01:03:58
Grumpy Old Prop
And to do it absentmindedly. um
01:04:00
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man.
01:04:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Wild. And then let's do a try.
01:04:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:04:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck.
01:04:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:04:07
Grumpy Old Prop
because is the only one who actually like reacted to it like i don't think i think the other box were just like he didn't drop kick it that would be the dumbest thing ever what ah well this is the silly like you know you've been ah part of that where on a team where you're just like you don't react because for what the other team's doing it would have be so stupid if my player did that like he didn't do that and and then they're scoring a try and you're like
01:04:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:04:29
Jarrod Dyke
yeah God damn it.
01:04:31
Grumpy Old Prop
no, that couldn't have happened. The ref's like, yeah, that happened. And everyone else is like, yeah, that's exactly what happened. And you're what the fuck are you thinking? Like, yeah.
01:04:44
Jarrod Dyke
ah God damn it. That's too funny. Oh, shit. Okay. um Pick them.
01:04:52
Grumpy Old Prop
That's like,
01:04:53
Jarrod Dyke
ah
01:04:54
Grumpy Old Prop
That's like every other rugby match when you're playing like a D3 level. It's hilarious.
01:04:57
Jarrod Dyke
That's true.
01:04:58
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:04:58
Jarrod Dyke
That's true. ah
01:05:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway. but
01:05:01
Jarrod Dyke
Bath Sale.
01:05:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Bath.
01:05:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:05:06
Grumpy Old Prop
don't know, especially at the rack. Yeah. yeah
01:05:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:05:11
Jarrod Dyke
Exeter and Newcastle.
01:05:13
Grumpy Old Prop
I could see Newcastle taking it, but I'm going to give it to Exeter.
01:05:16
Jarrod Dyke
Same. I want to. I need to see it.
01:05:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:05:19
Jarrod Dyke
I need to see it. ah Lester and Quinns.
01:05:22
Grumpy Old Prop
And also Exeter is still cunts at home. So.
01:05:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, that's a fact.
01:05:26
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:05:27
Jarrod Dyke
Lester and Quinns.
01:05:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Lester. Only because I don't think Quinn's can stop a nosebleed.
01:05:30
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
01:05:33
Jarrod Dyke
No, I don't think they can either. ah Series bears.
01:05:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Whoever gets to 40 first.
01:05:42
Grumpy Old Prop
No, probably 30. But either way, I think it'll be Saturdays.
01:05:46
Jarrod Dyke
take series. Yeah, just at home and.
01:05:47
Grumpy Old Prop
cause Just because they're honestly because they're at home.
01:05:49
Jarrod Dyke
and Well, and we'll see what Bristol's able to pack on this.
01:05:49
Grumpy Old Prop
At Bristol. At. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, it's also Saturdays look good, it was but consider the opponent. But also they look, Newcastle look better.
01:06:00
Grumpy Old Prop
So and then we'll see what help how Bristol do.
01:06:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:06:04
Grumpy Old Prop
They'll have a week, obviously, with Tom Jordan at that running entirely at 10. So and yeah, and we'll see what other injuries they have.
01:06:09
Jarrod Dyke
That could help them in a way.
01:06:12
Grumpy Old Prop
But given given the state that they left. The field in. Yes. sorry
01:06:18
Jarrod Dyke
Right. um And then Gloucester and Saints.
01:06:26
Grumpy Old Prop
ah I think I'm going to have to give it to Gloucester.
01:06:29
Jarrod Dyke
Enter.
01:06:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, because I don't think, unless unless the boys are all back, I thought they had two weeks that they had to rest. So, yes.
01:06:35
Jarrod Dyke
they will be back till round three.
01:06:38
Grumpy Old Prop
So, I think Gloucester have lost less and still have a pretty good team. I think, you know, it's it's hard um
01:06:50
Grumpy Old Prop
going into sale, into it Corp Act State.
01:06:52
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
01:06:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck that. um
01:06:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry, the the place that has a weird name. What it was it used to be?
01:07:02
Jarrod Dyke
AJ Bell, which I'm still calling it that.
01:07:03
Grumpy Old Prop
AJ Bell.
01:07:03
Jarrod Dyke
and so
01:07:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, thank you. like why i'm I'm forgetting that name, but also no I'm not calling them this.
01:07:06
Jarrod Dyke
Or Southwick Community Stadium was was was another one.
01:07:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:07:10
Jarrod Dyke
I will i may refer to it that as well, but whatever that horse shit is, no thanks.
01:07:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, no.
01:07:15
Jarrod Dyke
No thanks.
01:07:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um That's rough. And I think yeah being at home, yeah.
01:07:21
Jarrod Dyke
I'm going to gamble and go with Northampton.
01:07:24
Grumpy Old Prop
All right.
01:07:25
Jarrod Dyke
Let me see how goes. It might give you a lead for the first time in a while.
01:07:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yay!
01:07:31
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
01:07:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Or I begin my ch gentle slide into second place.
01:07:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's a slow train wreck.
01:07:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Conclusion and Farewell
01:07:42
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, shit. All right. So that does it for us here. We're going to hop over to the fancy corner in second here, our first one of the year. If you're inclined to do so, we'll see you there. If not, we appreciate you guys hanging out with us and listening to us.
01:07:54
Jarrod Dyke
and We'll catch you guys next week. Enjoy the rugby. Have a good one, everyone.
01:07:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:07:58
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.