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Fomo and Competitive Play with Eons of Battle
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This week we are joined by @EonsOfBattle to talk about botched model releases, whether or not we buy into any old rubbish GW sell to us, and whether or not 40k is currently coasting on a back burner.
You can find Jay and all of Eons of Battle's incredible hobby content here: https://www.youtube.com/@EonsOfBattle/videos #warhammer40k #warhammerpodcast #ageofsigmar
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to another episode of PK's War Room, the podcast where I've got a bad name for SEO, I think. And today, I'm joined by a very special guest, someone who I've been trying to get on for a little while, and I have cancelled them at least twice because I'm a terrible person, friend, and or colleague.
Internet Woes and Video Projects
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I've got Jay from Aeons of Battle. Hello! Hello! What's happening? As you might already be able to tell, we're going to have a slight delay here through the powers of the internet and my terrible British internet. So... Let's let's just jump straight straight into it, okay? I was watching your Space Hulk video earlier. Yeah, this one. The resin tunnels and and tubes and decking, it's incredible. Is that your latest project?
Jay's Role and Channel Overview
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Speaker
or you Is is that like you that an old video for you now because you're living in the future of what you're making? Yeah, for me, I'm living like six months from now. It's kind of wild how hard we go on the Patreon. But the Space Hulk, that terrain was...
00:00:52
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five months in the working, like ah prototyping, designing, like figuring out the art and design direction, everything, making sure it all fit together properly. Like it was, it's a lot that goes into every single Patreon set. Did you did you model it?
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Did you do the the three modeling? No, i no, I'm, I guess like the the art director and then I work with another person to concept art and then we come up with exactly what everything is gonna look like and then that goes off to a sculptor and then the sculptor gives it back to us and then we all take turns fixing all of the problems that we made ourselves and then it eventually gets like narrowed down into one perfect set of terrain. I guess i guess we can use that as jump-off point then to like shill a little bit in a way. So firstly, if people don't know who you are, try and give us like an elevated pitch of what you do. And then you mentioned the Patreon as well. So so people might be like, who's this fucking guy and why he's doing my Patreon already? So like give us the elevated
Creating Engaging Content
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pitches for those things. Yeah, I'm Jay from Eons Battle. I have YouTube channel called Eons Battle where we publish three wargaming videos a week every Monday, Wednesday, Friday at...
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5 a.m. America time, freedom time. And then in addition to that, we also have a Patreon, but it's not just a tip jar. You actually get, every single month, you get a new set of Wargaming terrain that is made by Wargamers for Wargamers. Send help. it's it's well you get You get a whole bunch if you go to the Patreon.
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Sick. So for people who haven't seen your stuff, I'll also add on that. You're like ah I would call a real hobby YouTuber, right? So like I'm i'm from the space where I play a lot. So card games, I'm miniature games, I just play a lot, right?
00:02:20
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Where you are actually like making full on videos with like a lot high but relatively high content, building, painting, kit bashing and shit. The sort of thing that I have tried to do the past and stay away from because i'm so scared of moving cameras around my office and that sort of stuff. Or maybe I'm lazy.
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So you're a real hobby YouTuber in a way, right? Yeah, a lot of painting, a lot of building. i game a lot, but not on the channel. I haven't figured that out yet, how to do a battle report.
00:02:46
Speaker
Battle reports are nonsense. like um I think nonsense is another right word. They're very hard to to get right,
Competitive Play and Hobby Projects
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to interesting, to get people to watch them. We have tried to make some. like We have test filmed things and watched them back, and it's always just... It's so ridiculously hard to make it entertaining and engaging. either The meta game, will use the meta game, the meta during COVID, post-COVID was to live stream your games. Have you considered that?
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ah Yeah, but not... like For me, I actually don't enjoy watching battle reports because I find it really hard to stay engaged on like, what is he rolling? What's happening? What is the save? What's the characteristics?
00:03:23
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What are the opportunities? And so when the camera is, you know, eight feet that way, just looking at a board... Or if it's even they did a pretty good job and they got like a top camera that's just about right, it's still really hard to like, I don't know, be eating my sandwich or doing whatever I'm doing and then like glance up and be like, okay, Orcs charging into, I don't know what that squad is, give up. i guess i guess there's like there's a there's a few like innovators in that space. So obviously Play on Tabletop are like the gold standard. They're the game knights of Warhammer and their stuff is insane.
00:03:51
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Planned Tabletop is really good. Have you seen Tabletop Time a couple of months ago put out a battle report where they actually 3D scanned both armies and their terrain? And so it was ah it was kind of, in my opinion, the only negative of... like It was a perfect battle report. In my opinion, the only negative was cutting from the beautiful three d render animation footage to...
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two nerds talking about how the game's going. Like, if it was only in that digital space, I actually think it would have been super sick, because the models look beautiful, the set the train looks beautiful, the lighting is perfect.
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i will I will check that out, because, like, so i always wanted to make Battle Reports, and I made a couple on the channel, but they took so much time and energy to make that the, like... I just, I was like, I can't keep doing these unless they like get really good numbers. That's like, that sounds so yeah fickle and so like business minded. But the truth be told is like, we only have so much time as content
Warhammer Lore and Model Critique
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creators, right? So you have to do the stuff that brings you numbers in a way.
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And I've i played on TTS. I've streamed Tabertop Simulator because I play a lot on Tabertop Simulator. ah But again, the the the end user experience is kind of dog shit because TTS does look like, you know, you're playing in our PS1 almost. it's not quite like that, but... So it's interesting. Yeah, and it's also like what...
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It's also like what videos are fun to make, because I have fun painting, you're doing a painting video where I'm just paint, paint, paint, turn on the camera, paint, paint, paint, say something to the camera, but show a battle report, filming that is a lot of hurry up and wait.
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Okay, I'm moving here. All right, can you move it back to where it started? Okay, I've, the camera's focused. Okay, move it into position. All right, do that one more time, because the camera didn't focus properly. All right, here we go. Boom.
00:05:27
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Like the game takes five hours. It was no fun because we were more focused on the videography than the actual gameplay. and or Or you'll do a thing where like you think you've nailed it on your setup and then it turns out that a certain portion is just not not, it's usable but it's not what you want it to be. So for example, when i did my first battle report, all of the initial shots of the army were really good. I had like like a macro lens on from a good distance and I had a good depth of the field. i had a little Lazy Susan spinning and units and shit.
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Then we got around to like playing and they you're like I was like, I didn't have a stabilization on. So like, it just didn't feel like what, I was like, oh fuck, that content. And when looking at either us, it was fine, but looking at the board, it wasn't and... it's It's a lot. It's a lot. So to get it right is very hard.
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And then like in terms of lighting, cause you know, I have everything perfect for filming a normal one of my painting videos, but for a battle
Game Meta and Community Engagement
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report, people need to be lit very differently than miniatures. Miniatures need ungodly amounts of light dumped on them. yeah But that makes humans look like scary monsters.
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So it's like, do we have one set for the people that we turn on and off and one set for the miniatures that we turn on and off and then like work lights for the few seconds we actually get to play this game. Yeah. And there's also, when william when I was lighting for the Battle of Ports that we did, um it was like, what's the one I'm looking for? Uncomfortable.
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Like in the room. It wasn't hot, but like, because was shooting these lights like probably twice what they're at right now. no, I've got these really high. I look fine, it's fine. um But like I was shooting the room full of like three key lights, like full lighting, and I was just like bloody, about two hours in of playing Warhammer, it's already like a headache inducing game almost.
00:06:58
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And I was like, this is uncomfortable. I'm not really enjoying the gameplay aspect in a way. Battle of Ports are hard. the the The other flip of the meta was the streaming bit, like I said, where you turn it into second monitor content where you just you're hanging out with them for like two and a half, three hours. That's like Tabletop tipsop Titans did it really well, right? They were the ones who redefined that space and how everyone copycatted that.
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Same camera setups, same background, same attitude, same attempt to like get people to do super chat and shit. have you so But that's not your thing? You don't want to live stream a game and spend three hours talking to chat?
00:07:31
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I used to live stream constantly painting. I used to live stream every single night for two hours. It was so much fun, but it was so much work. And it like, you know, if, Oh, tons. I actually got really good at it.
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Because, you know, brushstroke, brushstroke, look at the chat, brushstroke, brushstroke, look at the chat. Like, that works really well. I actually found building didn't work at all. Because building, you might be focused on, like, a longer technique or a longer just bit of work to do. And so it's harder to keep up with the chat.
00:07:59
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And then I also had Nick with me, so he would also jump in and read chat comments while I, if I ever have my head down. Yeah, that worked really well, but it just added like 10 extra hours of work onto our week. Yeah, yeah. Do you stream at the moment? you stream the Headshot talk show?
00:08:16
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No, no, that's just pre-recorded. interesting. Did you ever stream that? In front of a live studio audience. Yeah, we streamed for three months on Twitch, just more painting content in like the afternoons.
00:08:29
Speaker
Okay, okay. People are going to find it's just hard to Why are you talking about content? We give a shit about this. And we're like, we're content creators. So that stuff's like more interesting to us, I guess. um So back to the original question.
00:08:40
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Before we get, before we into the weeds about streaming and battle reports. What are you hobbying with now then? If the Space Hulk was five months ago,
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I actually just knocked it out a couple of weeks ago, but the process of the whole project has been months and months and months. I've just been just going hard on my 40k armies. I want to get into competitive 40k. I don't know why, but I do.
00:09:00
Speaker
And so I've been working a ton on my space marines, my Tyranid, my Death Guard in theory. also have a pipe dream of starting a sister's army and AOS 4th edition just came out. So I'm full.
00:09:11
Speaker
Okay, so hary that that is a question we're going to cover more in the second half of this podcast. but So you're
Content Creation Strategies and Authenticity
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excited for iOS 4?
00:09:18
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i i feel like i i feel like I'm not excited because my plate is so full, but I should be. I bought Age Sigmar 3rd Edition. I got the Dominion box, got it all built, got it all painted, played a game of it, really had a good time.
00:09:33
Speaker
Some things I like more than 40k. Some things I didn't fully grasp, like the whole magic thing. But I would love to get into Age Sigmar because some of those armies I absolutely love. Caradren Overlords, the Sylvaneth.
00:09:45
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I want to love the Stormcast Eternals. I feel like the Stormcast Eternals keep getting better and better and better. Like the new sculpts are objectively the best they have ever looked. Absolutely. But I feel like still nobody cares because they're just space marines. Yeah, because like the old, I actually find the old sculpts like really off-putting because of like, yeah they're chunky. I don't really like the iconography. don't like the weird porcelain faces on the shields and the stupid comet stuff. Like none of it really resonates. It's all like, it's like derpier space marines. Yeah.
00:10:16
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like Yeah, I think Games are Trap really missed a tick because the lore of Stormcast is so cool. the The most legendary badass warriors on the moment where they're overrun and they're killed, their soul is sucked away and put into angelic golden forms.
00:10:31
Speaker
But it's only humans. Like if there were also like Stormcast Ogres and Seraphon and Tree Men or the Sylvaneth Like if every different race in the Aish universe was seen in the Stormcast that would be so cool Even some of the bad ones like Stormcast Skaven, Stormcast ah maybe even Demons I don't know exactly how Demons work in the Aida Sigmar universe I think Demons might be a push because they're like get i They don't have souls but
00:11:02
Speaker
But but no that's exactly something that I was talking about on stream. So basically when I'm doing magic streams, people get probably a bit frustrated because people ask me Warhammer questions and i get really in the weeds about Warhammer. And I was saying the other day that you could just build those things. You kitbash those things. People like, but that's not more accurate. i'm I don't give a fuck.
00:11:16
Speaker
Like, it'd be really cool if you had Skaven men in golden armor, like doing the cool stuff. um But yes, actual official support would be very cool. But we see GW shy away from that stuff a lot, don't we? Like, like the auxiliaries for Tau, there's been 20 plus years they could have made new ones or made human ones or anything, right? And they just they just don't want to do that kind of exploration.
00:11:35
Speaker
Are Vespids still in the game? I believe so. They're due an update, right? Because the models are like 25 years old or something. like Yeah, they're still fine cast, which means don't buy them.
00:11:46
Speaker
Oh, bullshit. They're also 20 years old, so it's like, maybe don't buy them because they might get dropped from the game. that That is true. I mean, with 40k, wow. but they they said They tend to update all the sculpts for the alien ship, right? It's very rare they squat an alien thing.
00:12:00
Speaker
If you're playing Marine, you're just off getting squatted all over the shop now because they're squatting bikes and... I don't know if you know, but I'm very angry about the squirting of firstborn dreadnoughts. Like, it's just a thing that I don't believe you should ever be away from game because they're so fucking iconic. Similar landspeeders. I watched your video where you made
Gaming Systems and Community Building
00:12:14
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the Black Templar landspeeders where they got the cool terrain bases and shit. And I finally like them and they're gone. Yeah.
00:12:20
Speaker
What the fuck? finally like them and they're gone from the game and it's... yeah Maybe that's... Yeah. And i I really don't like the new ones. of the i I like most of the new Primera stuff. I so really don't like the new Storm Spaders. They're boxes.
00:12:32
Speaker
I forgot they even exist because they've had bad rules for so long. What are they called? um Storm Lancers, right? Or something? They're Storm somethings. The old ones were Storm Speeders.
00:12:44
Speaker
Yeah, they suck. They're also huge. This is the other thing. like I don't mind them being big, but ah if you're going to squat Firstborn Dreads, Bikes, and Landspeeders, I like the idea of playing the old models as like proxies for the new one.
00:12:55
Speaker
That's how you can do an AOS right now. like They squatted Liberators and Prosecutors from the Stormcast line, and then then literally a week later announced them again. it's like So you've just added more fuel to the fire that you're ruining f everyone's day, when in reality all you're doing is re-sculpt them and you can use the old ones.
00:13:09
Speaker
Anyway, but when comes to the Firstborn shit, it's all, like, tiny, half the size, like... Yeah. Yeah, an old Dreadnought on 100mm Redemptor base would not really work. I might have to build one where I build it up to be the height of a Redemptor because it's still on top of, like, rubble. Hell, should go to Redemptor, smash it up, and have the Firstborn, like, straddle on top of it.
00:13:30
Speaker
The Firstborn Dread, as if, like... Because the Firstborn Dread is, like, the coolest fucking model. Like, I love Boxy Dread so much. Yeah. yeah Yeah, there's something about the Redemptor. There's a lot i like about the Redemptor, but something about having knees just puts me off. I think I've heard you say this before. I love the Redemptor too. As much as I'm moaning about the the Firstborn ones going away, the Redemptor is probably my favorite Primaris model.
00:13:52
Speaker
because it's it The Brutalis, I love. I'm a fan of the knees too. I like the knees. It's a good a good place to put an all-transfer or whatever. um Yeah. So, where so you you mentioned competitive play and we've we've started to video AOS. We'll come to AOS in the second half of the video. So, competitive play, why?
00:14:11
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I wanted to be good at 40k. I've played infinite games of casual 40k with my friends. When 10th edition launched, me and my buddy, Sean, we played over and over and over and over and over. Space Marines versus Guard. And then sometimes I would play my Necrons and my Tyranids.
00:14:26
Speaker
And while out it works against Guard. Always, always, always lose. Demolisher Cannon Russes. i hate them. So you mentioned before we started. How many Demolisher Cannons does he have?
00:14:39
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He used to run four. Now he only runs two, but then he replaced it with two Dorns. Right, yeah. no he's its and And then there's also another land another Russ running around, the autocannon Russ.
00:14:50
Speaker
Is it the one that when it hits you, it gives bonus AP the rest of the army, that one? ah No. Huh, okay. I know that that is the autocannon one, right? think so. It's got, I, I, cause I don't know. It's got, it's got like a, do, do, do, do a gun on the phone. don't know it's actually an autocannon. It might be only damage two, maybe it's damage three, but, um, yeah. Yeah, it's everything in his army is damage three. Yeah. My Terminators, my Bladeguard veteran, my sword brethren, nothing is safe. Everything gets one-shotted. Yeah. Yeah, think one of the problems with... So we... Because basically, I cancelled on you twice. Then we had a little bit of a chat about... You were like, I can't beat Astro Militarium list. Have you got any thoughts? We're talking it a bit in DMs.
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Speaker
And I... Honestly, my first thought was like, oh, I don't know if this is like a really casual thing and your opponent's stomping you and not playing a very fair match. I didn't know, context-wise, you guys were like getting into comp play... I don't know why. i just So I didn't want to get all sweaty and be like, well, this is a meta thing and this is a meta thing and stuff. and But now I know we can talk that way. Also, I think the matchup is fucking bad for Marines. So yeah I've played Custodes and Marines into guard a few times at ah RTTs and stuff. And when they got double Rogue or Dawn, because that thing puts out like, I don't know, around like 12 shots of strength, 10 or 9, AP 1 or 2, damage 3.
00:16:01
Speaker
That just pops Custodes. It pops... Marine elite bodies. Those guns are very good at killing those armies very specifically. So that's probably one of your first issues. is that it's not Yeah, for sure.
00:16:13
Speaker
And I had a game on Tuesday night against another guard player who wasn't Sean. And it went great. I still lost and I did... Marines did kind of die horribly, but it went all five rounds. I scored... It was 55 to 80, which is respectable. Okay, okay. what so So for the people at home, ah yeah you're playing Templars, right? Yeah.
00:16:31
Speaker
Yeah, Black Templars. And you're playing them actual factual Templars? um No, I'm not doing the Righteous Crusade. i am doing Gladius in the as Assault Doctrine. So, so Advance and Charge. Sure. So you get all three Doctrines, but yeah the Advance and Charge one's the important one for your army, right?
00:16:48
Speaker
Yeah, well, you only get one. At the start of the battle, you pick one. And so I pick the Advance and Charge. I thought you get one of each of the Doctrines for one turn. Isn't that Space War? No, that's not Space War. It might have been changed since I last played Gladius. I haven't played Gladius since the book came out since Index.
00:17:07
Speaker
Gladius Task Force.
00:17:11
Speaker
Yeah, start your command phase. Pick one of the combat doctrines. Until the start of the next command phase, that doctrine is active. You can only select one once per battle. So so you can go into a you can go into like Devastated Doctrine in the first turn, do some shooting. Second turn, go into Assault, and then Tactical allows you to fall back at the last one.
00:17:25
Speaker
Interesting. How have none of my opponents noticed I've been horribly cheating? That's probably because they think you're in... Well, you're not horribly cheating, because it sounds like... Because there is a sub-faction that gives you complete advance and charge, full stop. That's the the White Scars one. It's called Stormlance something. White one. But it sounds like you're using Gladiator Strats with the trait of the Stormlance one.
00:17:45
Speaker
yeah Okay, um I'll have to do some double-checking. That's not a difficult mistake to make, to be fair. Like, A, there is already one that exists, so no one's going to call you out when they think they're on it. And B, like, there is a lot of rules to read, so was Was Index Gladius the way I described it maybe that's where the confusion from. When you said that, I was like, did they change it after the Index? No, Index. It's like that you always had doctrines since like around 8th edition. Like I think it 8th edition book where they added doctrines.
00:18:11
Speaker
And it used to be you start in heavy and then you can choose to move to tactical and move to assault. And you could stay in heavy. And that was broken as shit because everyone talked about triple Leviathans and...
00:18:22
Speaker
wrecked people and then they forced people to move out of them but it's still bad for them. There's a whole history of how they've not ever got the doctrines right. yeah I think Gladys is one of the best ways ever been because you can do them in any order. So you've got Advance and Charge army-wide. So I guess you need to check out the strats because the strats for the Advance and Charge faction aren't very good. That's the problem I've always had playing. No!
00:18:41
Speaker
Because I like melee marines too but Advance and advanced Charge is amazing but then the strats aren't very good. Have you thought about playing the Black Templar Blood Angels?
00:18:51
Speaker
Ooh, Black Templar Blood Angels. It's little bit sacrilegious. There could definitely be something like that. Because you'll be the one colors. I mean, they always are. And then there's something a Righteous Crusade, but Righteous Crusade is great when you get to melee, but doesn't help you get there. yeah And then there's also something to just a ten brick of Hammernaders with two up, three up, but or four up, up, up, or two up, three up, up, five up, up, up.
00:19:15
Speaker
Like, with all the feeling of pain and all the garbage. Ten rolls were really good at one point. I don't know where they're at now, because haven't really paid attention to, like, Marines and shit other than the Marines. Yeah, think it It was Iron Storm Spearhead where you just brought all tanks with one multi-melta bolted to it for free. and they that. And so there was no reason not to bring.
00:19:31
Speaker
Yeah, they fixed it. Yeah, that was dumb. For people who don't know what we're talking about, for some reason, all the Black Templars, not for some reason, the Black Templars just get an extra multi-melter, which is still a weird thing. But then what would happen is everyone would play Black Templars their Space Marine faction so they could bring an extra multi-melter on all their tanks.
00:19:45
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And some of them would bring nine tanks, right? Like seven Ballyears and like a Whirlwind or a Redemptor or whatever, a Repulse or whatever. So everyone was on Templars and Templars had this high win rate. I guess Templars do have good units. Hellbrecht's pretty fucking good. The Sword Brethren are good.
00:19:59
Speaker
There is some good shit in there. um Yeah, it was Templar pretending to be Imperial Fists. yeah And then Games Workshop's like, please stop. Don't do that. um so So you can't beat God. how Have you played Orcs into them recently?
00:20:14
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um Not recently. Okay. cause um I actually did really well with my Space... I like orcs too. um i don't, my orc army, the problem, the reason I'm playing my space marines, well, number one is because like I'm the space marine guy and my space marines actually have on, if you go to our Patreon, our top members on Patreon, their names get printed out and glued to my space marines. Oh, sweet. So they each it's like I'm playing the channel members in the games, which is a lot of fun.
00:20:41
Speaker
But my Orc army, my Necron army, like are from 5th high school when I built them. So they're they're lacking a lot of the new cool things that Games Workshop has come out with over the years. Yeah, I mean, they they did a good job. So here's positive for GW recently.
00:20:56
Speaker
The Orc book came out, and they did a good job making a load of older stuff like actually viable in goods, like Mega Knobs, which is like quite an old kit at this point. They become like busted good. they have to fix them. And then the Green Tide, is like boy spammed, you can bring 120 boys, and they got an upgrade. You could bring Beast Snacker boys, but they didn't benefit from the buff. was only War Dog traditional Orc boys.
00:21:18
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um Both of those got nerfed pretty hard, though. So it's just really ironic. So they made them work and then nerfed them. people Have you seen that like commentary that people say where GW make old stuff good so people will buy the old kits?
00:21:29
Speaker
Have you seen that? like Yeah, it's I've seen that everywhere. It's not true. no Sometimes the new thing comes out and it's scatros. Sometimes the weirdest old thing becomes yeah the and the new hotness.
00:21:40
Speaker
I think... I don't think even there's any idea. Like when Scarab and Colt Terminators became like really good like last edition, they were they did even when they started they were not in stock. They didn't sell out they didn't have them, they hadn't made any and they didn't make any for six months until like they got patched.
00:21:54
Speaker
So they often don't half then even have this stuff in stock so I don't believe there's tinfoil shit. GW aren't that organised, right? At launch for Tyranid, you needed two if not three squads of Zonthropes.
00:22:05
Speaker
They were out of stock for like 10 months. Yes, yes. So that's an interesting point that I've not talked about in a video yet. I mean i mean to keep me mean to make a video about it. is that I don't think GW can keep things in stock because they haven't got...
00:22:18
Speaker
You haven't got the assets, resources, or tools to do so, because they make so much shit. It's crazy how much stuff they make, right? every Every weekend is a release of some sort of model for some game system. So they spend so much time making, like, little goats for, like, Blood Bowl or, like, ah like an alien-tyranid hybrid for um for fucking Necromunda.
00:22:37
Speaker
And that stuff can't sell as well as, like, your normal lines of eight Eightbound or Zone Thrups or whatever. yet they're producing all the speciality game stuff. it I just don't know how that's a good model, you know?
00:22:50
Speaker
it it is It does seem wild. I'm trying to buy the new Pryo Nexus mission deck. It seems like they only made 25 of those, where every single person, and then every like every game store wants to buy 5, 10 copies.
00:23:02
Speaker
Every single person in the world needs that deck today. can't get it that that's the weirder one because like with with the models i guess it's because they're they're using what facilities they have to print all this weird stuff right but with poor nexus and any physical paper medium stuff that's all outsourced to china anyway so it's not because their factories aren't big enough or they haven't so don't know how the i know i still need a prior nexus deck as well i've played loads of tts of it now and the last week or two but i've not put any physical have you been playing the new mission pack I've been playing the new mission pack. I've got three games of it. I played it last night. Yeah, I played it all this week. I've been playing it on TTS and I got one lucky game in person because my opponent had it.
00:23:41
Speaker
Oh, fuck. Do you play TTS? Yeah. We should play. Yeah, for sure. want to shut this down and just play a port-a-k? Yeah, not right this second, but we should absolutely play. because it I could even play your friend's guard list and to help you like get a rep in with it to try and see how you beat it right?
00:23:57
Speaker
That would be amazing. One thing I forgot to mention about ah ah ah the competitive play. So I'm actually going to be doing a three-day nine-round tournament in October. Like a real one. Which one's that?
00:24:10
Speaker
And so it's Dragonfall. Nine rounds? I've never even heard of such a thing. That's crazy. Yeah. Three rounds a day, nine rounds... um Yeah, and so I'm like, I want to do that. I want to experience what that's like. And so this weekend I'm doing a little three round event. okay And so I've been prepping for that as like a stepping stone to snowballing my way into getting good. That was my next question is don't do a nine rounder if you haven't done some smaller ones first.
00:24:37
Speaker
Yeah. so So for people at home who don't know, like so RTTs, Regional Tabletop Tournament, I don't know what that that stands for, are normally three rounds, and then you have a GTs, which are the next step up. They're normally five to six, depending on size of person.
00:24:50
Speaker
um I've only ever done a seven-rounder, I think. I did one round on the Friday ah evening before. I've never done nine. i actually get quite excited. I might be misremembering. It's it's called Dragonfall. Okay. Okay.
00:25:01
Speaker
Okay, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that sounds pretty hype, but I'd love that. Because the with Warhammer competitively, that's not magical. Have did played another competitive game? Did you play Yu-Gi-Oh competitively or No, I've never done anything competitively.
00:25:15
Speaker
Interesting, interesting. Okay, so with other games, when you've got like loads and loads of rounds, so like for Magic, for example, on a big GP weekend, like a long weekend, you can get like nine rounds easily, if not like 13 rounds in. And that way you get a very definitive who has got to the very top or the top.
00:25:31
Speaker
With Warhammer, because the the games take three hours, three hours and a bit if you have people go over time and gaps, you can't fit more than three rounds in a day. And thus, over a weekend, you can only fit six in. And thus, at the end of those six rounds, it's not really like put the creme to the creme to the top. what I mean? It's got to be all this strength of schedule shit and stuff.
00:25:51
Speaker
So nine rounds is kind of perfect, if a little bit exhausting. Yeah, it seems a lot like ah like an endurance exercise. Like, who can who can keep winning while utterly exhausted?
00:26:03
Speaker
Have you ever done three rounds in a row before? is that Is that your... No. Okay. Most I've ever played is two games in a row. Okay, it is a lot. absolutely is a lot. Especially, like, in a comp environment. because when you're playing with your mates casually, you can take your time. And, like, it's pretty chill. In a comp environment, obviously, it can be chill. But your opponent does want to kill you. So you have to, like, be on top of your game, you know?
00:26:22
Speaker
I'm excited for it. I'm excited for it. but For you, I mean, getting into the... who cause i Because that's the thing as well. I avoid talking about comp play on this podcast a bit because when I get Mikey from Hellstorm on, he just he just he just spirals into it he's such a little sweaty try-hard.
00:26:36
Speaker
But um but like I don't want to make it a comp podcast. It's just interesting that i got you on because I thought to talk about like FOMO and a bit of painting and stuff and then I didn't know going drop on me. Oh, yeah, I'm trying to get into talking.
00:26:48
Speaker
That's sick. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just I thought... Because I feel like my my age of like... My like, ah getting to know Warhammer phase is over. Like that beautiful time, it was in high school when it's like, I had some models, my friends had some models, we would bring them over, not know the rules and just make them fight.
00:27:07
Speaker
And honestly, that might've been the most fun I've ever had playing 40K. And then, you know, getting into just friendly games where Sean brings all tanks. And then it's like, you know what? Let's try, let's just go to the, all the way to the other end of the spectrum. Let's go hard. Let's see what that's like. Have you, have you talked it your channel at all? How has your audience reacted to it?
00:27:25
Speaker
Just a little bit. Mostly i talk about the meme of I never win. Just games in general. Because I do think there is a hostility amongst the casual crowd in Warhammer more so than there is in Magic, for example. So when I talk about tournaments sometimes or I do video on a cheater a tournament, the comments are like, oh, everybody cheats. I'm like, well, that's just not true. There are cheaters, it's not everyone.
00:27:47
Speaker
It's kind of wild. i think yeah I think there's like a middle ground, between because most people don't play, even the people who collect and paint models, most people don't play, but I think there's the dream of like, ooh, Beast Snaggers are good, well I'm painting Beast Snaggers.
00:28:01
Speaker
They're probably not going to play, but it's fun to know that they're painting the cool thing, the awesome thing that everyone likes right now. so what are you going to take to the Nine Roundser? What's your plan? Space Marines. Okay, so you're all in on learning Marines. All in on Space Marines.
00:28:14
Speaker
Okay. Blood Angels, probably. but as a Legitimately, I'm not going to push you on it right here to come in, but if you do want to get some reps on TTS, do drop me DM. Because i I'm on my Discord, I'm always probing my patrons. Anyone want to play TTS? They're all busy. I'm like, come on, my but baby's gone to bed, my wife's gone to bed. I've got i got two three hours spare. Let's play a game. So hit me up.
00:28:35
Speaker
For sure, yeah. That's going to be awesome. Right, we're going on to the main topic. ok Okay, great. It's like, how fucking bad are you at buying the latest box? Because you mentioned you bought Dominion and played like one game of it. So I think I've got an inkling of how this goes.
00:28:49
Speaker
Of buying the latest hotness from GW, the latest box set, playing with it a little bit, or not even playing with it maybe building it, maybe not even finishing painting it. Where do you stand on box sets and being a little GW bitch?
00:29:01
Speaker
Yeah. Luckily, so I don't have any relationship whatsoever with Games Workshop. I've never gotten any email. Like, we don't... We buy all of our stuff from, like, friendly local game stores or eBay. Or you want to go into that conversation publicly? um They know we exist.
00:29:16
Speaker
but But honestly, like, I don't think we could help them and I don't think they could help us. so It is what it is. I think you're a prime channel to send preview content to because you make very good hobby guides, right? So...
00:29:27
Speaker
I suppose, but I don't think they need the advertising. And also, we would probably do it very rarely, because it's actually fairly rare we cover the new hotness. For the most part, it's like whatever I'm collecting for my armies, or whatever new game system I'm getting into. That's something I like about the channel, by the way. I love that you put out stuff about things that you are generally obviously passionate about so like it's like a space hulk video in the middle of like aos hype season and the video is doing well and your fans or your viewers respond well to it i think that's a very good i'm just blowing i'm blowing smoke up your ass right now but think that's a very good thing to see from like a hobby youtuber or whatever
00:30:01
Speaker
Yeah, like if Games Workshop sent us like, you know, the, what's the new thing? The Chaos Lord and Chaos Lord on Jump Pack. Well, Vermintide now, but like Chaos Lord, Chaos Lord with Jump Pack, I'd be like, I'm not painting this.
00:30:13
Speaker
I don't have a Chaos Army. Like, it it would be it would be the, the you know, and a solar eclipse or the stars aligning if they brought out something that I do absolutely want to cover. Like Leviathan, new Space Marines, I'm in. We got that box as soon as we could.
00:30:29
Speaker
Built that box in a week. painted every single model nearly in that box, been playing with those models. Man, the Ballistus Dreadnought was garbage on release. It's gotten good now, and the Infernus Marines still stink. hey heys Here's a question for you. do you think the Leviathan Marine part was good?
00:30:46
Speaker
Yeah. Well, no, actually. Especially because now it's the Combat Patrol. And the Combat Patrol is trash. Yes. With just the Leviathan bits. But yeah, Leviathan... I mean, that the Ballista's Dreadnought's good.
00:30:57
Speaker
like Yeah, that model was sick. It's going to be fine for you. I love the model. I like the rules for the most part. i like that. But like I compare it to Indomitus, right? In Indomitus, we've all these weird sculpts, like fucking skeletons and shields and shit. like It was really cool.
00:31:10
Speaker
And then for Leviathan, I got it because I bought into the hype. And then I painted like the Terminators, because I love Terminators and Dreadnoughts, like my thing, but I love them. So I painted the Terminators to a tabletop standard and one of them to like a high standard, painted the Librarian, the rest of it is sprayed red and left in ah and a box I can see from here. And even the Ballistas isn't finished.
00:31:28
Speaker
The Tyranids are meant to start Tyranid army, I painted the Screamer killer and then left the rest of it. Because again, I don't think the models that exciting. Like, I don't know about Live Iron, I and think something about it just wasn't, I don't know. Like, maybe Indomitors hit me in the honeymoon suite period where I just loved everything.
00:31:42
Speaker
But I do think the Marines in Indomitors were better. Yeah. Yeah, well, getting getting back to the topic of FOMO, I think Games Workshop has evolved over the years. Because if you remember in like 2016, 17, no Facebook page, no YouTube channel, no nothing. Just randomly nights would just appear. Pre-order it.
00:31:57
Speaker
And it's like, sure, I guess. What are the rules? Don't know. Pre-order it. Okay, fair enough. Yeah. But now it's like we kind of know everything beforehand, maybe not the rules, but we see the models, we see beautiful pictures of them, what they're going to be.
00:32:10
Speaker
and then four, five, six, seven weeks later, we can preorder it. And then two weeks after that, you might get it in hand. And I feel like it takes a lot of the oomph out of it. Like... Vermintide, we've known everything that's in that box for quite a while now in the horrible teaser show they started to do where they make an hour-long YouTube video where you see brief snippets of the model and then you have to wait for the video to end before they just dump it all on a Warhammer community and you can actually look at it. Yeah, oh it's open-read it first because someone's just took screenshot of the model images and put them up and, you know, that's all. Yeah.
00:32:44
Speaker
yeah I don't know. I um i feel like I'm so i'm not immune to FOMO, but I am definitely an impulse buyer. like I have so many other non-Games Workshop miniature war games where I'm like, oh, there's like this this game exists. Let me just get the core set, a couple of expansions, the special dice, the fancy ruler, and the game board. And then I'll play two games of it and then move on to the next. like That's what I really get into. So you're a whole game butterfly sort of thing? You can't help yourself but move from one system to another?
00:33:11
Speaker
Yeah, well, want experience it all. Like, I want to play every war game under the sun. I want to try out every different way of pushing models across a board. There's been a bunch of games where I'm like, this is fine. I need to more of that. I need to do more of that. Yeah. One miniature war game that I was very pleasantly surprised by was Mantic's Dead Zone.
00:33:29
Speaker
it's a It's their version of Kill Team, but it's on a grid system. And it has full list building, so you can take anything that they sell for their main game, which I think is called Firefight, which that's their forty k So you can take anything and then you build a list for on points and then you play it. And the grid system works really, really well because you don't realize like not measuring is actually kind of lovely.
00:33:50
Speaker
Just I'm going to move to bop, bop, bop. Boom. Yeah, no, i could see. There's no there's no possible argument. There's no possible, you know, you can instantly look in the board and see all of the opportunities. Like I can see what moves he has available to him and he sees what moves I have available to me. And you'd think a grid system to be like, oh, we're playing fancy checkers. But it's really not. It's a really, really cool game.
00:34:11
Speaker
how how How much of it did you buy into a build or paint to to play your first games? um Usually the starter set of a game. And then usually expansions. Usually there's like one model that's an expansion that's like, that's the reason I'm buying all of this is so I can paint that model and play with it. And do and then the core set just gets me the books and dice. do you play all painted or do you ever play unpainted? I do.
00:34:34
Speaker
i paint I paint about 500 miniatures a year. i And that doesn't even feel productive on my end because there's so much. There's so much to do. i went i was a very prolific, fast painter initially. Like I painted so much stuff.
00:34:50
Speaker
And then ah the honeymoon period fell over. I had a baby. i had to like move Warhammer to the second channel, which we talked about it off video, didn't we? How I moved Warhammer out to this channel that people are watching this on now to get rid of magic. And like a lot of things transpired to like change how my relationship with Warhammer where it was, it was the honeymoon new fresh hot thing I got back into in COVID, right? Mm-hmm.
00:35:09
Speaker
Um, so now I hardly paint. I think AOS is igniting me again, though. I'm getting very excited to paint all this shit that's around me right now. But that's interesting. So you you jump between games, and that's something that I... i keep meaning to play different stuff on TTS, because it's the easiest way to, like, learn and play a new system. Because buying, building, and painting the models to then play physically, then to move on to another thing, just seems like such a tall ask.
00:35:31
Speaker
And I've always wondered if it's part the reason for why GW is so monolithic... It's because other game companies, every miniature board game or skirmish game has quite a tall in compared to say a card game or a board game, right?
00:35:43
Speaker
For sure. And I also play tons and tons of board games. But yeah, I think most people, if they're going to play a tabletop game, they want to play forty k because it's probably what their friends are going to want to play. It's one that you know is going to continue to exist.
00:35:53
Speaker
yeah Even if it goes through edition changes and stuff that people like, like people hang on where other games seem like they don't, like X-Wing didn't really survive an edition change. Did ever play X-Wing? Oh, to so much X-Wing. I think I bought every single ship in the game. fascinating. X-Wing in like 2015 was the most perfect war game ever made. i think I got into it in 2013, I want to say.
00:36:17
Speaker
Basically, me and a couple of friends who, or most of us wanted to get into Warhammer but couldn't didn't have the time or energy, just bought heavily into X-Wing. So I bought a lot. I own a lot of ships. Not every ship in the game, but I own, yeah, like, multiple I've got like four X-Wings, four TIE Fighters, multiple Deceptors, like two Slave Ones, two Millennium Valkans and shit. Like, I've got loads of stuff.
00:36:35
Speaker
So I live really liked X-Wing, and now it's now it's been... The organised play is still going... For people who don't know, again, to explain to people who listening to this on Spotify or on YouTube who have no fucking idea. Basically, there's no support for new stuff that's been announced. um and But organised play is carrying on at least for another year. And a lot of the blame is being thrown... was thinking about making a video about this.
00:36:56
Speaker
A lot of the blame is being thrown at mismanagement by the companies that held the licence and such. But, I mean, there's there's debates there and and things like that, so... Yeah, but at least with X-Wing though. So X-Wing is a but as a war game. So you mentioned it was the best war game going in 2015. want to know why. The bit I'll throw in before we start though is like I guess the good thing about X-Wing was the miniatures were built and painted. so you bought your stuff, you got them out and you were off to the... Well, not racing, it's not racing game. But you're off to the dogfighting immediately, right? Because it doesn't have that buy-in or build thing I'm talking about with Shatterpoint or Crisis Protocol or whatever.
00:37:30
Speaker
Yeah, i mean, I guess it depends on what the best means, but for me, I've had the most fun with X-Wing. Like, a game can take, like, 30 minutes to an hour. you can get so many games in a night. You can play with so many different ships and tweak and push and pull your list, but the list building isn't super intense. You're laying cards out in front of you, upgrade cards and pilot cards.
00:37:49
Speaker
It all worked really well, where... Like other other war games, they always have their eccentricities of like the list building is like there's there's list like Kill Team. Games Workshop pretends there's list building in Kill Team. There is not.
00:38:01
Speaker
Everyone takes the exact same list every single time. I bounced off Kill Team really hard because like people on Discord are like, I'm quite enjoying this because we played like a little league. And I was like, I find if you're not playing one of the Kill Team special new boxes, your army is just so boring from like a agency and composition perspective.
00:38:19
Speaker
like playing the green skin boys you're like you can take a goblin or an orc and then one of the orcs have a rocket launcher that's like it it's really really boring in that regard Yeah, I actually really like Kill Team, but I take it as the lists are preset.
00:38:34
Speaker
they're writtent They're set in stone no matter what game Zerk Trap says. And I do think there was a very special time when Kill Team launched. with If you play only the Index, it's a completely different game and a lot of fun versus playing all of the bespoke Kill Teams that they've come out with lately. Okay. Was that like the launch of the new edition?
00:38:52
Speaker
Is it the second or third edition? It's technically third edition, but everyone calls a second edition. like Okay. Yeah. Cause I bought it too. I bought compendium and I built some kill teams and stuff. And then I played a bit on TTS and I don't know. just didn't scratch the same itch, but a similar thing about preset lists.
00:39:08
Speaker
Have you played any spearhead yet? for AOS? Uh, no. I think it's fucking awesome. Like, I really like Really? Because Patrol is shit, right? Combat Patrol is bad. Combat Patrol sucks.
00:39:19
Speaker
It's so bad. It's so bad. It's just 40k, but like, it's not balanced properly and it's just boring and it's crap. Spearhead, like, you have your preconceived... decks or lists, if you will, like pre-cons.
00:39:30
Speaker
And then, like, they they've added this new system. for There's a twist on every... There's a twist deck that changes each turn to change up the map a little bit. And then your secondary cards that you draw, know if you know this, each one is a stratagem as well.
00:39:41
Speaker
if you can't score it, you can discard it to activate the stratagem, fight first, countercharge, move an opponent's move phase... So there's this real dynamic element to it as well. And all of that, I'm like, why is this not in the Combat Patrol version of 40k? I think it will be. I think the next time they revamp Combat Patrol, they'll add this. And I think it actually might be pretty hot.
00:39:58
Speaker
So I've been playing loads on TTS and trying to get all my... The the people on my Discord who don't want to play 40k or AOS full fat, I'm like, try this and see if it if it bites you. So... Oh, that's really awesome. Yeah, because, yeah, we've actually played a fair bit of Combat Patrol.
00:40:13
Speaker
actually did a Combat Patrol local tournament at my store, and it sucked because it's just like, oh, Gene Steeler Cult is so good because they use the same, the old broken rule. Right. but um But, yeah like but it I want to like it because it's a a quick version of 40K that's easier to explain to people.
00:40:30
Speaker
Yeah. But it's really not. You almost have to make your own combat patrols and just play baby 40k. I'm actually wondering if like just taking the spearhead twists and like ah secondary objectives and sticking them into the combat patrol thing might be the way to actually play 40k. Yeah, it could be.
00:40:45
Speaker
um so you so you you're not So you're not a firmware buyer. You're a hobby butterfly who will try every game system under the sun. Did you buy, for example, did you buy Age of Darkness? Did you buy the Horus Heresy Starbox?
00:40:57
Speaker
No, I've never gotten... i would have bought it... Wait, was the Age of Darkness the the minigame or the 30k game? The minigame is Legion Imperialis, which I didn't get into. Legion Imperialis.
00:41:08
Speaker
but But Age of Darkness was the starter box for Horus Heresy 3 or 2? two i don't know which edition is. The new Horus Heresy. That box set. Just Marines upon Marines. Sure, that's like your thing.
00:41:21
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't get into it. I think I used to collect um Death Watch in addition to my ah Black Templar, and I found that I didn't have enough love in my heart for a second color of Space Marines, and they weren't even a second color.
00:41:32
Speaker
They were still black. So I ended up selling that army. i think I could do 30k if like a friend of mine got really into it, but just it didn't draw me in I already have so many rhinos and so many land raiders and...
00:41:45
Speaker
To do that again wouldn't be super interesting. Also, a project I'm kind of working on behind the scenes is I have about seven pounds of vintage retro Blood Angels, like metal figs. And so if I'm going to do another Space Marine army, it's probably going be that one before it's a very expensive 30k army of Space Marines. Okay, so with those... block Okay, slight tangent.
00:42:09
Speaker
Metal Blood Angels, right? Is your plan for them to do them as a retro, like, second edition era, Goblin Green Base, Practically Orange Marines, or...?
00:42:22
Speaker
I think what I'm going to try to do, because i that that was kind of my original plan, and then Nick, who runs the channel with me, he kind of talked me out of it. I think the idea is to take the retro style, but push it as far as it can possibly be pushed. So still like Goblin Green bases, but with modern like airbrush, contrast paint, oils, washes.
00:42:41
Speaker
like Take those models and make them as good as they could ever have possibly looked. Sure. So... and So you but they're still going to be garishly like high contrast, high saturation. Okay.
00:42:52
Speaker
No, I love that. Because like i' i that's a thing i've I've dreamt of doing for a while. Maybe even with Eldar. like Doing it with the old classic sculpts and shit and doing the brightly coloured stuff. but But I've never gotten around to it. i Never gotten around to it.
00:43:03
Speaker
So that is that are these videos on the channel in the future? Yeah. I don't know when they'll come out, but I've been working on it. i It's been years of eBay sniping to put this army together. i i fucking love old metal models. I love them. I hate Finecast.
00:43:18
Speaker
I think GW's resin is dog shit as well. So as much as I like, I love like Leviathans before the plastic kit came out. I own like three lires resin ones because I love them. but Fuck me, were they the worst thing I've ever had to build. I hate it. ah The Gladius tank for the custodies, whatever it is, that thing is, like, awful to build. Like, mine had, like, a mould slip. It was wonky and involved sanding.
00:43:37
Speaker
Hate all that shit. Metal models, though, fucking love them. And, i like, it's astounding, too, because, like, we probably started in a similar era. right you Are you a third edition baby? Um, no, I didn't get into it until fifth edition.
00:43:50
Speaker
So why did you create 10-piles? Like, 2011. i Because I didn't know better. They've been garbage unto for years. That's not the reason i asked the question. I meant like, normally I speak to another person who's into 40k and they collect Templars. And the reason is, is clear because their first box is third edition. liveback yeah So what what what how come you land on Ultramarines from Macrag or whatever? like ah My very first 40K army was Necrons. I loved the Necrons and I didn't really look at the rest of 40K. And then when I did look at the rest of 40K, I loved the Imperium and the Gothic and the candles and the medieval vibes.
00:44:25
Speaker
And to me, that wasn't Space Marines. But then I found the Black Templar, the Black Templar 5th edition codex. And you open it up and it's like, these guys don't look like space marines. They look like medieval knights. And so then i bought them, but I didn't have a lot of money. So I didn't buy like the Black Templar upgrade frame. So I just had Black regular ultramarines, but they were Black Templar to me. So wanted the gothic stuff.
00:44:46
Speaker
And then when you finally got and them, they had no candles or gothic stuff. No. That stuff didn't really exist back then. Oh, fucking hell. So, so the original, part I don't know why I came into this. I didn't think you'd mentioned Cobb play. So that was a thing that like surprised me, but I also just assumed that you'd be like me where I'm a filthy little hall for like every box that GW puts out where I'm like, oh fuck, I think I need that.
00:45:10
Speaker
um because like by Age of Darkness I built a lot of heresy shit and like played two games and never went back to it and like Leviathan is built unpainted and now I'm buying Vermintide on Saturday but I'm way more into AOS for this so i guess that brings us to that you you are in on AOS but you've not built anything yet Well, I know I've built, i have built a Stormcast from Dominion and I have a full Sylvaneth army, actually more like 1500 points of Sylvaneth, but I have pre-ordered Vermintide because I really like the rats and a buddy mine wants to play the rats. So if I build and paint the rats, because I think it'd be really fun to do in a video and then kind of like hand it off to him and then I work on my Sylvaneth, then we can get in a bunch of games of Aida Sigmar.
00:45:52
Speaker
And I guess also Dominion's Stormcast plus Vermintized Stormcast I think is over 2,000 points. That's way over. Is it really? Yeah, think so. i think the character in Dominion is like almost 400 points on her own. She's like she's insane.
00:46:08
Speaker
She's like damage 5 against monsters. I want one now. When I read her stats, I'm like, oh, I need that. i've always what Because she looks like... I'm a Blood Angels player, right? So I've always wanted a good Sanguinal. And she's like what the Sanguinal should look like, right? She looks like a...
00:46:22
Speaker
Yeah, they're good shit. So so but are you going to build up Skaven or are you giving them a way away? I'm going to build up the Skaven. I want to try to build all of those Skaven models in, or but not build them because building stinks to really rush it, but painting them all in one day because I have some ideas that could super expedite the process and make the army like incredibly unique and cool.
00:46:43
Speaker
is this a challenge video then? Are you doing ah are you doing a thumbnail with you and clock in the thumbnail? For sure, yeah. it's going to be It's going to be a long day, but at the end of it, I'll have an army. So so here's a more content-y question then. So you get Skiband Tribe this weekend.
00:46:58
Speaker
ah You build it at some point on the following week. Yeah. And then of you plan a day to paint it. When do you reckon that video will show up on your channel? like whats What's that timeline look like?
00:47:08
Speaker
Ah! Um, we can do pretty tight turnarounds. Usually it takes like two days to film everything. Although that's not a 24 hour challenge usually.
00:47:19
Speaker
24 hours one day. But then it takes about two days, two or three days to put it together. Because after I'm done with collecting all the footage, I give it to Nick. Nick gives it to and another person to like organize. And then he takes it back, gets it like roughly into shape. We look at it.
00:47:37
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we um I write the script of what I'm going to say for all the moments where I'm not talking directly to the camera. We record that. like we can We can do a video in like four or five days. Okay. And is it and is is that a normal operation or is that more of a if you want a tight turnaround?
00:47:53
Speaker
That's probably our normal operation, but we're usually working a couple of weeks out. Sure. Because like I guess the next question is on that particular thing on Vermintide, are you planning to get that out of the door as quickly as possible? Or is it like you just do it regularly at your own pace? Because there's a hype cycle, right? there's ah There's a window. You know, I don't know if there is.
00:48:12
Speaker
like there There certainly is. like If you're the first out the the gate, you can get like an extra 10,000 views. Honestly, I like, if you look at like every single, cause a lot of people do take the new product and then paint it as fast as they possibly sp can and then publish.
00:48:28
Speaker
And it sort of works, but it sort doesn't because it depends on if people care about that new release or not. Like, I think nobody cared about Skatros. Like a lot of 40k right now. What's Skatros? 40k hasn't ah had a lot of fun.
00:48:41
Speaker
Skatros is the Skatari stilt dude the Adeptus Mechanicus. That's his name? Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, stilt sniper man. Yeah. Sure, sure. Did that come out months ago? Years ago?
00:48:52
Speaker
it did. it's just it's it's it's my It's not years ago. It was a couple months. or no Early into... Was it like 12 months ago? It was one of the first codexes. i guess it will I guess it is now. but That's my my go-to for lame 40k releases. Because it came out, it had garbage rules, it was a weird model.
00:49:08
Speaker
I think that model is fucking awesome. I love that model. It's... It's kind of cool. That is 40k though. The AdMech should have stilt legs. It is. Everything should be done. Anyway, so were saying that people don't care about that model. That's fair.
00:49:22
Speaker
But like with like Skaventide, for example, or Leviathan or Adelmatis or any of the big box sets especially, there was a window where people care about painting guides and building it. Do you feel like if you put your Skaventide painting video out or Skaven of Skaventide painting video, I don't know, six months from now, let's just like really push it to the extreme.
00:49:39
Speaker
Like surely that would have a negative effect on the views, right? Because, It would. we Yeah, we wouldn't call it Skaven Tide. If we were if we were just gonna, for some reason, do it in six months, we would just call it like painting an army in and a day. Yeah. And i would you avoid the word Skaven? Because you don't think that's a hot word then, is it? You're like... I would avoid the word Skaven. Ah, yeah, okay.
00:50:00
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For people who are watching at home who wonder why I'm asking that question and making that noise, it's because in the YouTube space, there's... I assume you use this word, it's packaging, right? So like, you can make the best video in the fucking world, but...
00:50:12
Speaker
But if your thumbnail sucks, your title sucks, and those things don't resonate with an audience or resonate with what's being looked at right now, then the video can bomb and go under, right? And for the same extension, you can make a video that's not very good, or like you've rushed together.
00:50:24
Speaker
And if the thumbnail and the title, and then like the first click through what people see, connect to that thing, all resonate, you can get a very good viewership off of a video that took less effort. It's like packaging is super important.
00:50:35
Speaker
So you're saying here like six months from now, you don't package it as Skaven or Skaventide or Vermintide or AOS4 or whatever. You package it as painting an army because that is a thing that people give a shit about, right? Yeah, but I do think that Games Workshop's audience, I mean, maybe you can prove me wrong because you seem to be a FOMO guy, but Games Workshop's audience has kind of shifted because, you know, back back in the supposed good old days of 40k when there was things just dropped for pre-order and people snapped them up.
00:51:00
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And it was a little bit more exciting. And I think people were really into seeing like, oh, my God, Imperial Knights just came out of nowhere. I want to see somebody paint this up. But nowadays, like when we kind of know everything that's happening, GamesRShop tells us what codexes are coming out. We get almost no no new things for those codexes.
00:51:18
Speaker
Like in the last year, I mean, Dark Angels, I guess Crute. Crute and Dark Angels were the any the only things that happened other than one new character model. Yeah, yeah. And so I think there's not as there's not as much a rabid fan base for content on those things. like That's an interesting point. So I guess to answer your question before I ask you that another question myself, before you just said, um yeah, I can't really comment on what it would have been like in the good old days, because I'm like i'm a COVID... I played Warhammer when I was a kid, and then fell out of it, stayed in Magic the whole time, and then during COVID I was like, oh, I've got disposable income, I as well start collecting, and now i'm a fanatic, right?
00:51:50
Speaker
So I can't, I don't remember what it was like then because I came in at the end of eighth after they'd got their Twitter account back. Cause originally it was owned by some man and like, you know, all that all those debacles, right? All that sort stuff. So i can't comment to that, I guess, as to whether or not it was exciting back then.
00:52:08
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I guess i just guess like thoses got there there are release schedules that get people hyped, I guess. There's there's an ongoing, ever-constant hype machine with GW of, here's the next thing, here's the next thing, here's the next thing.
00:52:19
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However, the interesting thing with them is because they have different game systems. Like right now, I don't even remember what the last 40k release was, other than books. Like I bought the sister book because I'm a systems player, but what was the last fucking model?
00:52:32
Speaker
I guess it was the Gene Stealer cult, Big Brain Lady. Yeah, that one. Okay, yeah, is that. Hell, is that out yet, actually? That model came out with the book, right? think it just came out for pre-order with the book. Yeah, okay.
00:52:44
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Because I was looking back to the Warhammer Community website before we came off this call. just AOS AOS AOS Necromunda AOS AOS AOS Necromunda and it reminded me of comment you made to me like three weeks ago when we started talking about doing a podcast episode you said that you think 40k to extent is kind of like not fell to the wayside i and been left alone completely but at the moment it's on the back burner right they just don't seem to be releasing anything for it or give a shit because they are in full hype mode for please play our fantasy game yeah And I think you're right. I disagreed with you when you said it.
00:53:15
Speaker
But now, three weeks later, I'm like, fuck, they're just not announcing anything. Yeah, well, and as someone with a show where every single Friday I go through what Games Workshop did this week, been a pretty dry spell for Games Workshop. Even with the, like, Genestealer Cult and Sisters Codex and the one new model each, it's like that was one weekend. Hold up, hold up. ah Sisters didn't get a new model, right?
00:53:41
Speaker
Oh, no, they've got Jump Pack Caninus. I was thinking they repackaged one model, the Ministaur and Flamer guy, and then they've they've got a black library model that's not out yet. Pius Vorn. Yeah, yeah. Those two. And then I forgot about Jump Pack Caninus. Okay, so yes. Because that's the thing, right? They're releasing every book with one character.
00:53:58
Speaker
yeah that's That is it. And it is... Oh, no, Dark Angels has got a load of shit, like you said, crew, I guess. It's kind of dire, really, because some armies like like GSC and like Custodes were in desperate need of actually just getting some like plastic units.
00:54:12
Speaker
Well, GSC were in desperate need unit that isn't a character because they're all character heavy. And Custodes were just in desperate need of anything that wasn't a character, preferably some of their resin shit going to plastic. Why is there not a plastic Telemon? But none of that.
00:54:23
Speaker
They're too busy doing Orc cheerleaders in and resin or whatever for Blood Bowl and Necromunda people with skeletal spider legs and stuff. it's so Their focus is so strange considering how much money 40k makes. In a way, it's good because they're not always focused on the moneymaker. Maybe that's a positive. Yeah.
00:54:41
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Yeah, and it was tricky, like, space marines never need a new model for the rest of eternity, but they should get one every now and then. And then, like, some armies, genes they look like, Leagues of Wotan, holy cow. one So a little tangent, Leagues of Wotan. if you've read the Codex, but it's actually, they're surprisingly cool, like, modern sci-fi take on dwarves. Sure.
00:55:01
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In the Codex, it says, so in the Leagues of Votan, their society is ruled by an AI, and the AI, like, it essentially makes all of the dwarves as clones, and it makes them all unique.
00:55:11
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and suppose And in the Codex, it says, every now and then, the Leagues of Votan, the Votan itself is the AI. It will go mad, create itself a robot body, and go to war with the Votan.
00:55:23
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And it's like, how is that not well model Well, the is the model, yeah, yeah. How is it? Give me a Titan-sized dwarf. If you really want to get into the weeds of that, I think the Leagues of Rotam release was just generally very bad.
00:55:34
Speaker
like i feel like that i I felt the army looked like mini Space Marines, which I didn't like. I felt like a lot of the old flavour that people were expecting from the squats, things like helicopters, trains, all that sort of shit from like the epic days was all just missing.
00:55:48
Speaker
We got trikes, but they were hover trikes. That's okay, I guess. And then like the the model line was just so lacking in variety. And then they yeah they they they use AI, like you said. I didn't know about the AI god robot body thing. I didn't know about that.
00:55:59
Speaker
But AI and like just robots in general are like almost absent. There's one robot that carries a bucket for like one guy, right? Yeah. Like, there's so much space there, which I guess they're leaving for the future.
00:56:11
Speaker
but I did find... Because I was all in on Space Dwarves 2. I saw the bottom line. I'm like, i'm not going to buy this. I'm actually... There you go. I didn't find one on that one. I was like, I'm not in on that one. So... Well, and that's what makes it feel like like forty k is kind of like not being focused on because when the leagues of Otan came out shortly after that, Necromunda got its own squads and arguably they look better. Like there's a dreadnought guy.
00:56:32
Speaker
There's, yeah, the little football head moon men with the floppy arms. Yeah, they like well that Well, that's another thing that... We were just racing through topics, but it's cool. That's what a chat's about, right? I think that all model lines should have rules across multiple games. In the same way that AOS for a long time used a lot of Warcry shit, and it was great. They're now starting to remove those now.
00:56:52
Speaker
But like I think 40K should have had its kill team stuff, which it did, and it should have Necromunda stuff, which it doesn't now, right? Because the Arbatees were a kill team. The Arbatees? Not the Arbatees. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:03
Speaker
So I just think the Necromunda stuff should have 40K rules. I know there's there's arguments that like get they have like... they have different accounts or something, and like, for how they sell and see what sells. I don't give a shit. I just think the model should have rules. Because that's how you sell fucking models to people like me. Mm-hmm. You know?
00:57:19
Speaker
So, yeah, those squads should have rules. Yeah, i agree. Especially, even if you don't want to make all of Necromunda available in 40k, because it might be weird if, like, i don't know, you have ah the Amazon... What's the Amazon
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00:57:31
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babes? The, um...
00:57:32
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um and and Is it Clan Escher? Escher. Yeah. Escher, yeah. Like, Escher in a Space Marine Army would be weird, but I think you can just take those squads and make them into Votan models, too. Especially the little Dreadnought guy. They have to be, like, regiments of renown, like in AOS, or they have to be some sort ally auxiliary thing where you have a rule in the Imperium where you can only take one because they're on, like, penal leave or whatever.
00:57:53
Speaker
They're prisoners, right? The Imperium have just put them in shock collars and sent them out to die, you know? don't i think yeah I just think models should be playable outside of like even just the small game systems cause they make all this specialist stuff and then like some of it i want to paint but I'd like to play with it too so yeah I agree with you I changed my mind over the course of three weeks or so since we last spoke about it yeah as someone who's super super into 40k it does feel like a real dry spell this year any exciting 40k-ness
00:58:25
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Leviathan? I guess Dark Angels. the um Dark Angels, if you count that, then you got the Lion. I guess he came out with launch of 10th edition. Dante was this edition, right? The new Dante? but again, that's that's a faction one.
00:58:39
Speaker
What was the last non-faction release? Other than like standalone shit. Was Desolation Marines the last thing that wasn't in a box set? Desolation was in a box set at the very tail end of ninth was Oh, with a melee Dreadnought. Was that in that box as well?
00:58:56
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Yeah, I think it was two squads of Desolation and a melee Dreadnought. It was one squad of Desolation because they were a 10-man, weren't they? They were a 10-man. We all expected the box to come with 10 and then the box came out with five.
00:59:08
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so it's technically like yeah two squads. I've looked at my 10 there. I bought two, not box sets, but two sprues of it off eBay to get one 10-man. Yeah, anyway. So yeah what was the last Marine released?
00:59:22
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It was Desolation Marines in 9th edition. i guess if you don't count Leviathan and the Infernus Marine, like all of those models were sort of new except for the Captain in Terminator armor. Okay, so and the last Marine release was just Leviathan then.
00:59:34
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Which isn't, it's not terrible that they don't have to release Marines all the fucking time because they released a lot. edition had a lot of Marine shit, right? Like a lot of Marine shit. Yeah. So that's fine, I guess, but... I might be lying. It might be Primaris Scouts, which came out in Kill Team, and then six months later came out for 40k.
00:59:52
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Again, again a revamp seems a little bit like a... like everything and Everything in Leviathan is like a revamp, barring the... and for No, the Ballistus is a Primarisified... What was the shooty Dreadnought called?
01:00:07
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think was just Dreadnought. Yeah, oh yeah, because you take a last cannon. was Dread now with Alantra and last cannon. So, revamp of that Dread. Revamp of a Flamer unit, which is not technically a revamp, doesn't feel new, right? Revamp Terminators.
01:00:20
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Revamp Livrarian. Revamp Phobos Lieutenant, but make him special. um And revamp... Was there a Captain? Terminator Captain. Nothing in that box was new.
01:00:31
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No. No. No new ideas. I guess Desolation Marines the most unique thing we've seen in a while, and they're still kind of like fucking devastating Marines revamped, right? don't know.
01:00:42
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I don't want to say they're running out of ideas, but I think I do agree that 10th edition feels very dry for like all of the factions. Because there's been like no new vehicles, has there?
01:00:54
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Ooh. When was the last time a new vehicle dropped? So like...
01:01:01
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This is the sort of thing we could have prepped for the pocket. I'm looking around the room so I don't buy anything. I'm pretty sure there's no vehicle releases. So it' it's just the Ballistas. Because that is a vehicle, right?
01:01:14
Speaker
Holy fuck, are they don't release a single vehicle in this edition. That is crazy. i do not believe they have. And then what was the... Yeah, because everything has gotten one character and... or Except for Crute got... Crute and Dark Angels are the only things that got squads.
01:01:31
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so is this ah it' just a negative or is this a positive? Because there was a point in 9th where I thought there was just too much shit coming out. I could never keep up with building, painting, and playing with stuff.
01:01:41
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But my Desolation Marines, by the time i built and painted them and played, i here's a fun fact, right? My Desolation Marines have seen more play as proxies for looters in orcs at casual games because I couldn't i didn't want to buy into Luz because I thought they the nerf they did.
01:01:54
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Then they have been seen playing Desolation Marines because by the time built and painted them the nerf happened and there no point in the playing them. Well, there was not no point but they were they were far less efficient. So like, is a lesser release schedule good thing for a while?
01:02:07
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I think it might be healthy but I think it is lame. Especially when some armies that should be getting, like, in a dry spell, I think some armies should still get love. Gene Stealer Cult, maybe Sisters, like Eldar, Dark Eldar, Leagues of Votan, World Eaters, Death Guard.
01:02:25
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But, like, maybe we can give Orcs, Necrons, Space Marines a break. Yeah, the ones that have almost 100 cheats the in their codecs don't need it. Yeah. Yeah. but Well, this is the thing. So here's something for the people at home.
01:02:37
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Here's my prediction, right? And on prediction, we're talking about this. If we get to Thousand Sons and World Eaters, as examples, and they get some new shit, because they're desperately in need of new stuff. Yeah. Then then it's not so bad, right? Because they've they've peeled back on what you said the stuff that doesn't need more shit.
01:02:52
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If we get to those and they get nothing or a character, it's going to be embarrassing World Eaters are... They are, like Votan, a scuffed release, in my opinion. Like, I bought some of the love World Eaters. love Korn. the violence in the melee phase.
01:03:07
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But like, what the fuck is that with that model line? It's just like some demon dudes, some berserkers. Do you like bringing three squads of 8-bound and six squads of berserkers? Like every single time? It's so bad. because Because of course as well, like they can have demon engines they have a single fucking one.
01:03:23
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which like obviously like like death So for people who don't know, again, trying to unpack it for newbies who are newer than me... Death Guard, when they, so Thousand Suns got their launch, and they didn't get any demon engines, if I'm recalling correctly, but they get got like some demons from AOS that still fit in with them, like the Mutalift vortex piece, which is technically not a demon, I think, if you had to at keywords.
01:03:42
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And then Death Guard came along, they're like, here's like a Plagueburst crawler, a Mutalift, not Mutalift, the little drone thing, and the flying drone thing, and that shit. was like, okay, they're learning, they're learning, demon engines. We get to World Eaters, literally nothing. There's demon men, and they're just the same kit in two different modes,
01:04:00
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and then there's such easy fucking wins like the juggernauts they could put men on juggernauts we've got a character on a juggernaut and no unit on a juggernaut so even going into this edition that they knew had the leader mechanic I'm getting very angry now that fucking unit can't lead anything so I assume in the new codex they've got to give us chaos berserkers on juggernauts to give them something to lead they've got to yeah That's my prediction. So yeah.
01:04:24
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And then it also kind of feels lame that the release is always tied to the new codex, I guess as a way to make people feel like they should buy the codex because I don't know people know this, but the rules are available if ah you don't necessarily want to buy a book. sure But if you want to be the first person playing gene stealer cult lady with a big brain, you buy the book, I guess.
01:04:45
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Yeah. But I mean, like leaks exist. do I should say this. The reason that GW don't want work with me is because one of them wants when we say, i think once leaks are out there, we should acknowledge them because it's bad for like consumers to ignore like information around budget and stuff.
01:04:57
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And matt that's GW do not want to talk to They've ghosted me twice over this. It's funny because I get comments on this podcast saying I'm a shill for saying positive things. And then I'm like, ghosted by them. um I guess so. But they they did go for a phase where they didn't do that, right? Like at the end of 8th, they did all like the Psychic Awakening stuff.
01:05:13
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That introduced new models each time. And then in 9th, did we have any releases that weren't tied to Codexes? Yeah. I guess... um only Only things that came out in Kill Team. So, Scouts and Striking Scorpions.
01:05:27
Speaker
That's not true. Marines always get shit. So, in 9th... Not as say always, not in 10th. But in the Ballistic Strednaw and the Desolation Marines dropped. Was that in 10th? It was very Tale of Nine. Yeah, so they dropped in a box set, right? So you got new stuff in a box set.
01:05:43
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So Marines get stuff in box sets all the time, but everyone else gets fucked. Personally, I kind of want them to get through all the 10th codexes, drop them with hopefully more than just characters, and then we start to have a Psychic Awakening period or some sort of expansion period where we can keep the edition around for a bit longer.
01:06:00
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don't want them to drop all the codexes, and as soon as the guard one drops at the end, we're like, right, here's 11th, because that is just painful, isn't it? Yeah. Well, here's something you'd probably know about. So, 10th edition dropped. Everything got one index attachment. Some things are still, like, half the armies are still on their one index attachment, and it's getting boring.
01:06:21
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Age of Sigmar 4.0, every army has multiple detachment-like army rules, right? Yeah. So, anyway so we just first again, to explain for people who don't follow AOS, for example... Index Hammer, which you might have heard from 40k, is where they reset everything and give us like the rules as PDFs for free. Oh my god, what a socialist utopia we live in, right? ah Age of Sigmar, who there's no argument that rules writers are a bit better. I've seen this quite a bit.
01:06:45
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Each index is dropped with four... You you get an army trait, and then you your attachment thing that you can pick One of four things. In Index 40k, everything was set to one thing, with six stratagems, I guess is the the argument.
01:06:57
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In Index AOS, everyone's got four things, and then there's also some strategy and stuff a little bit sprinkled in. Yeah, you're absolutely right. There's like variety and ways to approach the game beyond what they did with 40k.
01:07:09
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I don't know why. Yeah, right off the bat, you get four ways to play. Honestly, the thing that has made me angriest with 10th edition is why don't why doesn't every army get eight detachments like Space Marines?
01:07:20
Speaker
Like, Gene Steeler Cult get five, Sister's got four? Yeah, fourto he's got four, yeah. Custody's got four. Just sit there for the rest of the day, come up with one more, slap it in there. The counter-argument that it's hard to balance.
01:07:34
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I don't care. You're getting to comp play now. They have the money and the resources to figure it out. I mean, would expect the billion dollar company to have some playtesting a bit to do it. Yeah, exactly. But as a comp player now, as a newly comped player, surely you want the game to be balanced, right? Because normally when they introduce too many attachments, it's fucked anyway. When you get four attachments, one is normally clearly the better one. Like, it's not, you know...
01:07:58
Speaker
Well, yeah, well, Space Marines have access to, what, 19, but only four of them are good. Like, in these ways. How many do they actually have? Is six in the Codex and then one? i feel like re counted. Black Templar, Dark Angel. And you count in all of the different colors, Space Wolves.
01:08:15
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There's four sub-faction ones and five or so ten They have ten, I think. Someone can look down below if I got that right off the top of my head. Because I'm not 100% sure. i I personally love it when they do variety and that sort of thing. like The Orcs got, was it six? And all of them are either or at least mildly playable. And all of them play into different strengths in the army. So you bought the book or or just looked at it and Wahapedia or whatever.
01:08:40
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And you immediately had, like, whatever you own had some way of being applied and playable, which I think is really good. And I'm glad that happened. It's the same with this building now where, like, You don't have to take like Battle Line or whatever the fuck they called it. No, Battle Line.
01:08:52
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i like False org charts and and attachment rules can sometimes make it that when the new ones come out, your old army is invalid. There's like there's been situations in the past right where you've got 2,000 points of an army it's no longer playable.
01:09:03
Speaker
That is a thing that they should try to avoid. However, with their up until recently packed release schedule, they just keep giving us new toys. So but letting everyone play with their toys is actually maybe counterintuitive towards game design, balancing, and...
01:09:20
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Yeah, and then there's some things like Tau. Tau is a proper army with tons of units and a full codex. Four detachments and one of them Crute. So really three detachments. and Yeah. but you Did you play much in 8th when you could split between the detachments you could get?
01:09:35
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I did at the beginning of as well. I did a little. yeah actually i mostly i played a lot of early 8th, index 8th. Okay. I did not play in that time. that was just I came in towards the...
01:09:47
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back third of eighth so i didn't know about the indexes i hadn't seen indexes until we got to the new indexes but did you ever a play where you'd split across things you'd have like i don't think you could do it marines but like resistance for example i had half my army was all the melee units were bloody rose and all the shooting units argent shroud so i'd have like two different sub factions in my army it was kind of stupid do you ever play in that period No, i think I think I might have missed exactly your beginning because i was in college like midway through eighth and I was busy and then I didn't really pick
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01:10:18
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it. I did. I kind of skipped ninth and I picked it back up a tenth with Leviathan because before that I was just playing endless games of Kill Team.
01:10:24
Speaker
Wait, when did you start doing videos? um Technically, in like very early high school, and then we took a little break, and then a little bit more in college, and then we took a break, and then we jumped back to making videos during COVID, like 2020.
01:10:41
Speaker
Right, okay. so yeah That's probably why I became familiar with you because I got into Warhammer then, and then I come across all the people that are coming up. So you you start making videos then, so you, Midwinter Minis, all these people that start making videos during COVID are like the Warhammer YouTubers that i watched, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:57
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Yeah. Right, I think at that point... I guess what we've done is moan about things. Have we only moaned? Yeah! yeah Complaining! Nothing more fun! Oh, I love complaining, but but was there positive?
01:11:09
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I guess I was arguing the release schedule was kind of a positive, because you don't have that. I guess... there's the final point. Let's let's close on that. It is that it's quite nice sometimes to not have to give a shit about what they're putting out.
01:11:21
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So what i have done is get so into AOS now that I'm all over the rules that just dropped before this call started. I was reading the death codexes and stuff. So I'm like deeply interested in that. It is nice when they put out Necromunda don't have to care about it.
01:11:33
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and Because like in Magic... Because i'm so into all the formats. Everything kind of matters and it's exhausting because they release fucking shit all the time. It's a little bit too much. Even for someone whose job is to report on it, it's a bit too much.
01:11:46
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So I think GW calming down a little bit on 40k is not necessarily a bad thing because you haven't got all this FOMO, buy this now, don't miss out, keep up. but Bullshit, you know?
01:11:58
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I would definitely say it's healthy. um It's not the most fun that it that the releases have ever been, but I do think it's healthy. I think 10th edition feels the best. I mean, i remember because the last time I was really playing was 6th and 7th, the worst editions of Warhammer that have ever existed.
01:12:15
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So 10th edition is a real game that Games Workshop is really trying on. I guess it also depends on what you play as well. Because if you're saying, we're saying it's fine, right? Because don't have to keep up with the shit. but I guess we've got multiple armies that we care about.
01:12:27
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If you only play Custodes, you're probably pretty pissed that two editions have passed now and all you've got is two characters. And there's a lingering fear that the they might remove the Forge World stuff.
01:12:39
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They probably won't for Custodes, but there's always that chance as we've seen now. So I guess if you're one army kind of person, you might be pretty fucking miserable right now. Yeah, if you're just a World Eaters player and you're like, Ingron was a long time ago.
01:12:53
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what's what are you What are you doing for me? What have you done for me lately? I'd feel so bad for someone getting into 40k and be like, wait, do all the armies only have three sheets? And you're like, no that's just you guys, I'm afraid. wait guys I bought all this secondhand world eater stuff on eBay, but none of it's legal anymore. Bikes, chump packs, like all that stuff that got removed. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. I get fucked. I guess like, what can you do? Right.
01:13:14
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