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Ranking Every 40k Combat Patrols
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Welcome back to another (and a late) episode of PK's War Room Podcast.
This week I am joined by HellstormWargaming to dunk all over the Combat Patrols via a Tier List.
This episode was filmed before the Sisters Codex rules dropped, and we were both quite sick. The tier list can be found here: https://tiermaker.com/create/40k-10th-ed-combat-patrols-773570
#warhammer40k #combatpatrol #starting40k
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Transcript
Introduction and Humorous Banter
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello gamers and welcome back to another episode of this podcast that's got a shit name. It's PK's war room and I've got Mikey back because no one else wants to come on. ah You couldn't live with your own failure to find another guest.
00:00:12
Speaker
I have postponed on someone else twice. I feel like such a dickhead. I'm not going to say who it is case they never make it onto the thing. Please Mikey, please come on the podcast. I've got no friends.
00:00:25
Speaker
I feel like an absolute cunt for postponing on people. like Well at least Mikey will be here. yeah exactly It's also the same fucking time zone if we have a cunt in America on true true now see I'll take time out of my day to come hang out with you.
Excitement for Warhammer Discussion
00:00:38
Speaker
It's always exactly place having me I'm actually quite excited just to talk shit about Warhammer for the best part of that's good cuz that's all i' about today Yes, so today we're gonna do one of those wonderful things called a tier list. This is the tier list you see on screen now If you listen to some audio, you're just gonna have to go with the audio cues. I'm sorry to have the mind.
00:00:56
Speaker
That's what i like say there of the mind tear list of the mind Anyway, today's video is a tier list for combat patrols We're gonna talk about combat patrols, but we need to establish some rules of operation Mikey. Yes. First of all, how are you? Are you doing?
00:01:11
Speaker
I'm good. I'm doing all right. Yeah, I'm a bit under the weather got a nice cold because i was at a tournament this weekend shaking hands rolling dice and now I've got a cold just you got like cotton crud as they call it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Otherwise, I'm really sick.
00:01:25
Speaker
I shit water You sleep for like a 12-hour period last Wednesday and since then I've had a stinking cold and hay fever so I'm like, oh, I've got a bit of a cold. You're like shit water it was bad And it was fucking awful. And now I'm just like, I just wanted to be well again. i went to the gym this morning and I did one set of a machine. i wass like, I think I'm going die. thought I was going to die. was like, I don't know if I should be in here while I'm... Anyway, so, we're both sick.
Podcast Schedule and Pop Culture Jokes
00:01:54
Speaker
ah We are sick. I'm sick as fuck. I meant to have regular parts to this thing. I feel the schedule is slowly failing. She's out the window. That's
00:02:06
Speaker
well guess
Blood Angels Painting and Model Customization
00:02:07
Speaker
Yes, you're woke. You got woke t-shirts now what chd watch recently Everyone's moved on haven't they everyone's moved on to be angry at Star Wars again. Yes Star Wars. What else is there? There is no fire in space. It's a bit like there's no wolves on Fenderis. It doesn't mean what it's meant to me um What have you been doing hobby wise? What have you been but painting building?
00:02:25
Speaker
and So I just finished painting up my Blood Angels army me and Because I've been paid taking that to a few tournaments and I've been to a few tournaments where I've kind of just had the actual Blood Angels though They're blood ravens, okay, but yeah, I battle predator it looks red say red It's got blue lights as you can see fair every time I've played ultra moons or iron hands. They've been red as well My cowgirl is right. ever shown you this?
00:02:50
Speaker
No, I don't think so pause Sorry for everyone who's listening. um He's not finished. He's not highlighted, but there's Amani's Calgar. so yellow like for Yeah, he's like, so for everyone listening, it's Amani's Calgar, but he's painted like the second edition artwork. Yes!
00:03:06
Speaker
Then I haven't successfully done the thing that he's meant to be. To be fair, he's so far from finished. He's actually kind of ugly. He looks so good. if you
Promoting Reliquid Red Spray Paint
00:03:13
Speaker
If you imagine him, it's the best Calgar I've ever seen. is He is ugly as fuck. He needs some edge highlighting and a bit depth at advice and glazing. Okay.
00:03:20
Speaker
ah okay But painting loads of marines basically. Painting loads marines. Painting marines and playing marines. Yeah. you fucking bored of painting and playing marines Mikey? ah No. I should I probably should I'm so burnt out on marines I can't I can't be myself to be excited about marines because I've painted and built so many the thing is with marines though because they have all like the index like the different chapters that you can just swap between it feels different every time so like sometimes you're paying like loads of tanks and then sometimes you're paying the guy with the jump pack and a chainsaw it keeps it fresh if he does pay it I think it's not fresh they've all the same fucking iconography and the same shoulder pads and helmets Yeah, but Vince, don't make me plug my own new spray paint I get to use now. I've got to keep
Tournament Experiences and Strategies
00:04:02
Speaker
plugging. Go on, do it. Plug it anyway. I don't know if you've heard, Vince, but I've got my own spray paint called Reliquid Red, which makes painting space moves so easy. It's available Kickstarter right now.
00:04:12
Speaker
ah I'll put a link to the description. It's also um perfect for painting exactly Blood Ravens, the Dawn of War. Funnily that, yeah. like How great. Well, I mean, you can also undercoat with that and do a little bit of um gentle layering with some glazing with a Misfiston Red to get to an actual Blood Angel colour.
00:04:26
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Because you can get like a nice gradient with Sanguine Red, which is also by the Colour Forge. And then you can do Word Bearers. It's good for Tyranids. It's good for Tau. It's also good for Blood Ravens.
00:04:37
Speaker
What a fucking shell. Yeah.
00:04:41
Speaker
Look, man, if you're going to have me three times, okay, I need to get one in there. How did you it in tournament as well? How did you do? ah So I played two tournaments since we all spoke. I won one, went 5-0, which was cool.
00:04:52
Speaker
um And then the one I played this weekend was at Games Workshop, was a golden ticket event, which means essentially the winner ah wins a golden ticket to the World Championships in Atlanta with a free ah flight and hotel.
00:05:07
Speaker
And I won last time and lost this time. went 4-2. I lost Tau. Yeah, 4-2 is respectable, but didn't anything for it, right? No, I kept 10-th, but I lost to Tau. i play i was played I'm playing Bud Angels. It's all jump packs. It's all combat. I have, like, four guns, and again, half of them are on this one tank.
00:05:25
Speaker
um And I played way too cagey in, like, the the way the terrain was, because Tau have, like... They play Monk Carp, which is basically during the first three turns they get Assault and Lethal so that everything in their army can advance and shoot.
00:05:38
Speaker
And they've got like ah an enhancement which allows a unit to scout. but so And scout is basically pre-game move. So if they go first, which they do, is a Riptide move six, advances 14 and then shoots.
00:05:51
Speaker
And there's like nowhere to hide if they did that. They set up with like Riptides on both sides of the board ready to like counter. So... Played TKG and lost that one. And then I went to Wolf Jail. Have you heard about Wolf Jail? Yes.
00:06:03
Speaker
So for those who don't know, Wolf Jail is Stormland Space Wolves, which, guess what? I've just ordered 10, like 12 Space Wolves, Thunder Wolf Cavalry.
00:06:14
Speaker
ah But essentially, in Stormlands, there's an enhancement, ah sorry, a stratagem called Full Throttle that allows you to auto-advance six. ah But if you are mounted, like Thunderwolf Cavalry are, they auto-advance nine inches, and the the detachment is advanced to charge.
00:06:29
Speaker
So what happens is, is like a big brick of angry doggos with dudes with Thunderhammers on the back of them advance 19 inches and then charge you, and it's really, really hard to play against because there's like two units of that.
Upcoming Event Plans and Challenges
00:06:45
Speaker
Isn't one of their weaknesses terrain? ah Yeah, so some because because mounted, because they're riding dogs, they can't go through walls like most like infantry and stuff like that. But the fact is, is because 19 inches is like insanely far anyway, they can scoot around a lot terrain.
00:07:00
Speaker
It is a weakness, but it if they move in 16, it probably wouldn't be so bad. if it's Because it's 19, it's crazy. I guess the other thing you should explain is that when you jail, it's because not only do they hit reasonably hard, but they're relatively durable, the invuns, right? Yeah, because they've got like four wounds of a four-pin-vun.
00:07:18
Speaker
Yeah, and then then you're just like, well, i can't I can't clear these very easily. They're stuck to all my stuff. My stuff can't move properly, and now I'm stuck in my deployment for a couple turns while I'm clearing up Thunderwolf Cav. Yeah, because they charge you turn one. Zangors, my opponent, i got turn one. Also, during deployment, he halfway through deployment reminded me that he actually had the enhancement. He didn't tell me beforehand.
00:07:36
Speaker
The guy also put me on the clock before I got to the table. um even though Even though, I'm pretty sure the round hadn't started because like the T.O. was like, oh, everyone's getting back for lunch. but because It was not a good start. And like, not going to like this the whole time. I'm like, well...
00:07:48
Speaker
why be like it it's all if i'm honest with you yeah set himself up for failure then yeah and he like he's that he's angle like jailed to me he just like spread across the middle board on turn one my alls couldn't do anything they felt miserable that's one of the big things i dislike about current warhammer is the amount of need for pre-game move and pre-game screening and all that shit yeah and then the mission puts everything everyone really close as well Yeah. they're Even closer than normal.
00:08:13
Speaker
I think my next event I've got in the books is your all-star event. I don't know what I'm going to play yet. I might play Orcs. I might play Sisters.
Critique of Combat Patrol Game Mode
00:08:20
Speaker
haven't decided. Yeah, Sisters not good. Wait for the points. I've played many rats and Chaos Warriors and Blood Warriors and shit. Yeah, I'm pretty hyped for AOS.
00:08:28
Speaker
I say that, I've had hardly any time to paint, so I've painted all of approximately 28 models total. In between shitting water, you've just been... Yeah, shitting water and trying to make magic videos. Anyway, less shitting water, less magic videos. Let's talk about getting into Warhammer.
00:08:41
Speaker
So the reason we're doing today's video, Comic Patrol is its own game mode, but the game mode fucking sucks, and no one plays it, right? So so we're not going to talk about balanced against one another in that respect. What I want to talk about is, um would you pick this up as a new player or recommend it to a new player to start the faction? Would you yourself pick it up to start the army as an as as an entrenched and enfranchised player?
00:09:03
Speaker
How many points it gives you, which is less of a consideration because the points change all time, but I think it's an interesting illustrative points about the comic controls. And then last year, and probably the one of the best ones, is how much they cost to buy separately whether that's actually whether it's a kind of look a like a lie because some of it's kind of bullshit like with the kits you get and like what you'd want and stuff yeah we'll go into as we go yeah yeah we can explain that when we when we get to a thing that's really good value but you don't actually want any of the models in it Exactly, which actually might be this one to start with. Let's talk about Blood Angels Combat
Evaluation of Blood Angels Combat Patrol
00:09:35
Speaker
Patrol. Blood Angels Combat Patrol.
00:09:37
Speaker
Which has not a single Blood Angels fucking thing in it, which is one of the things that really winds me up. That's the same for the Dark Angel one as well, I believe. It's like those two The Dark Angel one and ah tar technically the Death Watch one and the... I guess the... The Dark Angel one's better than this because there's some thematic through lines. Yeah. um The Space Wolf one is pretty dog shit because one of the units is technically one of those. We'll come to those. We'll come to those, but... So this is... Blood Angels slash slash Space Marines. So it's a Space Marine one, basically. And they've themed around Blood Angels. And it comes with one transport, half a box of intercessors, you get five of them.
00:10:11
Speaker
Some aggressors. yeah Half a box of incursors and or infiltrators. I think they are the multi-part kit. Yeah, yeah. They are. And then one Primaris librarian, who's now just a librarian.
00:10:22
Speaker
Hell yeah. the The upside for this thing is that it does give you a bit better value for money. So I worked it all out this morning. We should say was a hundred pound retail these boxes. They're all the very good points They are so expensive I know idea there a hundred pounds when i came into this i thought like Yeah did i i send that description yeah Yeah, we were both shocked because we both were so like the 1% that don't know how the real people live.
00:10:52
Speaker
I'll put a link into Element Games. It might be an affiliate link if I get around to setting that up. So if you're looking to buy Compto Patrols, buy them from a store that isn't GW because you'll get some sort of discount. yeah In the case of Element, I think Element have this at £85 each.
00:11:05
Speaker
And also when we come to talk about what value is in the box, that's going on GW prices. So basically removed 15% to 20% for all prices talked about in this video when looking at actual non-GW stores. £100 and you get £176.50 of stuff because this comes with two Blood Angels upgrade sprues, which is the most exciting thing about the whole thing. That's the bit that's weighted if you're not a Blood Angels player, they just the upgrade sprues.
00:11:29
Speaker
Yeah, so if you buy this as a Space Moon player, it's even worse value. You have to like to shave all the blood droplets off like the swords and shit. yeah um I think this is dog shit. I think it's good.
00:11:41
Speaker
Go on, go on. It's a starter army, this one. This is, I bought my first box type of army because the units in it, the impulses, not bad.
00:11:52
Speaker
like Impulses are like pop up in a lot of lists and they're they're really decent for the points. uh incursus we also we kind of talk generally more so in the current rules it's kind of where i want to be at because yeah because current because current rules change how we're getting points changes like next week right sure um i'm a would do a data state quite soon too right which will address like sisters really but address a lot of stuff but yeah we can talk a bit about how the rules are now i guess but like for example when we come to the thousand sons ones and wars are quite good right now for a specific reason as we just talked about but they've been dog shit for all of eighth and ninth yeah yeah so there's a good chance they're shitting in 11th so yeah anyway so so carry on so yeah sounds like because because it's just like a random eclectic mix of things as i said like the impulse is good and yeah and it has a lot of utility across like any type of play style and like the incursor slash infiltrator kit is decent as well because they're like arguably staples in most lists in most practice games or whatever you're probably going to want some deep strike denial if not incursors are actually decent in a very specific case
00:12:54
Speaker
but infiltrates decent but aggressors are kind of like meh I think they've been a meta pick for a while before like nerfs and changes yeah but they're either like super or crap do you know in this kit whether it's going to be the actual aggressor that you can build the bolt ones I'm like 90% sure it's the multi kit it's the proper kit rather than the stack I don't think they make it easy to build anymore Yeah, here's the screw yeah there's there's grenades on it. Yeah, okay. yeah Because for people who don't know, i got shafted on this. I bought a lot of aggressors early on from the push fit to build thing, built on those flame ones, and then I've never ever fucking used them because the flame ones have never really been that good.
00:13:35
Speaker
Okay, I'm going to change my mind. I fucking hate this box because it feels so unblood angel. um's not but If you want to be Blood Angels just You don't need it just like And for people who've tuned in for the first time i quite like blood angels and i lot Blood Angels So it bugs me Also I'm pretty sure the Impulsor there has Is that Blood Angels image on the front of it cause I don't think that comes in the spruit ah That's a Imperial Eagle on the front. and its Oh, it is the Eagle. It is the Eagle. Okay.
00:14:02
Speaker
Yeah, okay. I thought it Blood Angel's front bumper thing. was like, that doesn't exist in the kit. Okay. If you were about to start collecting Marines, there's actually probably a very good start. Even though you get like 22 pounds worth of this useless sprue, in reality, once you remove that, it's still a good value box compared to the rest of them. Yeah, it's not unless it's not bad.
00:14:21
Speaker
it's not awful it's bordering on good i guess because like battle line troops are often shite but they're about to get better um yeah librarians aren't great in my opinion but they're okay but that point they're terrible right now right it's only if they i don't know okay where are we putting it that's that's the real question i think it's probably gonna be like a low b high c tier it's not god awful but it's kind of like the bar is low When I came in, was going to slam in D. No, don't think it's that bad. And the more I think about the new player coming in, if I was going to start a new Space Marine Army tomorrow, I wouldn't buy this box, like as an Infranchise player.
00:14:59
Speaker
But if I was just starting to play Warhammer, I actually think this comic patrol is absolutely pretty reasonable. Yeah, but the problem is is the marketing is bad because it's like Blood Angels started box, but
Overview of Black Templars and Strategies
00:15:09
Speaker
it's not. It's a Space Marine started box with Blood Angels thrown in there, you know?
00:15:13
Speaker
Yeah, which, because people don't know, Bollinger's Starbox could have, they've got like, going hazard a guess at like 15 unique sprues or kits and stuff. You've got like all characters, the Librarian Dread, Sangre Guard, Death Company.
00:15:28
Speaker
You've got all this shit you could have put in there. All Firstborn. All Firstborns, they're never going to it, right? they don't want to do that, yeah. I think when we get the Bollinger's revamped, they'll probably put some Sangre Guard or some shit in there. that's Yeah, I think Death Company as a minimum.
00:15:41
Speaker
Yeah, okay, but maybe not Sangard, because that'll be in the special box set. Okay, or what'll happen is there'll be special box set with Sangard, and then they'll just repurpose all the spruits in the special box set to be the Blood Angels box, right? On that note, let's talk about Black Templars then.
00:15:53
Speaker
Yeah, so fear to their mind, we've put Blood Angels in B, okay? Everyone listen at home. Yeah, I'm so sorry. Low B, beat Blood Angels. We'll reiterate, as we put things in for the audio listeners, who always get these podcasts like four weeks late because forget to upload them.
00:16:06
Speaker
um and God, so where other things are. Is this the Black Templar special box with an Impulse added onto it and Hellbrecht taken out? ah And a Redemptor taken out as well.
00:16:19
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, because that is the old starter box of Black Templars when they first got lodged didn't have Hellbrecht in, but it had a Redemptor. And pretty sure just the Redemptor. Oh, Hellbrecht was separate. Was Grimaldus in it?
00:16:30
Speaker
No, no, no. It was that guy the front, the Marshal. Oh, they didn't even put the... They put none of the main characters in? Nope. Fucking hell, weird. Okay, so this is a Marshal. This is one Primaris Crusader Squad, or five, well, okay. two One Sword Brother, five editions, four neophytes, which is the full ten, then. Okay, cool. Five intercessors, one Imposter, and one Black Templar's Upgrade Spru, and then some transfer sheets that I guess you only get in this box or the original...
00:17:00
Speaker
I guess in the Crusader squad the Crusader squad probably comes out transfer sheets. It's not yeah I think this transfers in the black templates upgrade spru as well, which is a separate kit. Oh does the spru come with them? I think so I've actually bought so many blood angels upgrade sprues I could not tell I don't think it does I think the black one does though.
00:17:18
Speaker
Is it smaller is it? It's in its own. It's not in a clamp pack. It's in a box Because the Blood Angels one's in a clamp pack, the Black Templar one, and the Guardsman one, the Cadian Upgrade Sprue also box. Oh, the Guardsman one does come with ah with a sheet, I believe. I see what you mean. So the new Upgrade Sprues for the new stuff. The newer ones, yeah. The newest, newest comes in actual boxes, as opposed to like little flimsy plastic shit.
00:17:41
Speaker
ah Yeah, cool because they come in, um like it's like character-sized boxes that come in these days. This one is a Black Templar starter. Yeah, it actually has two unique Black Templar units in, and it comes with an upgrade sprue, which comes with a multi-melter, which you slap on the impulsor.
00:17:56
Speaker
Yes, as well as a load of cool shit like ah swords and things you can stick with. Yeah, yeah. And you can make your intercessors look more like Black Templars this way. This is like 380 points compared to the Blood Angels 425. This comes at £138. Yeah.
00:18:09
Speaker
this coming hundred and thirty eight pounds Oh, I thought you saved more. ah i wonder if I've missed the upgrade sprues on that. 26, 20, 40, and then the impulsive server, 40, 80. Yeah, I think I've missed the upgrade sprues. It's only about 150 then. Yeah, close 150, maybe 155. I think this is a, as a Black Templars player, this is a good bot.
00:18:34
Speaker
see This is almost a a certain purchase, right? Yeah. Impulsor plus Crusader Squad is at the moment very meta for them and will probably always be part of their like repertoire, right? Well, the Crusader Squad can't go in because it can only transport six.
00:18:47
Speaker
So it can transport the intercessors the marshal. You're thinking Sword Brethren. This is Crusader Squad led by a Sword Brethren, which is a different unit. But do they still take Crusader squads right now?
00:18:58
Speaker
ah You can. A big brick of 20 with Helbrecht is okay. But usually you want Sword Brethren. like like Crusaders aren't too bad. Maybe it's not the Autobuy that I thought. No, not quite. I mean, like the intercessors you don't care about.
00:19:13
Speaker
uh because again well they're good for practicing your painting on it's really funny because i'm sorry hobby i was like i always buy the troops for an army and paint them because that's how you get into an army and a lot of the troops just never see any fucking play because you can't figure that bit out and it's an intercessor just go to game's workshop and say can i pay them all we'll give you one yeah yeah although i've tried to get the free models on free model day and they've been really funny about giving them to me that's just because you look funny well like i think it's because they they can tell like we're talking like you understand how much player that oh this might be for new players like i just want to paint one singular cadian an arcadian sorry cities sigma man right yeah get a feel for it give me a free model you pricks i spent so much money in your fucking game so this is better than the blood angels one uh think it's on similar level because again you don't want the intercessors so that's 35 pound of the added copy this This is the Black Templar one, it comes with Black Templar character, a Black Templar squad and something to well, to move some troops around that don't get in Thematically better.
Analysis of Chaos Space Marines Combat Patrol
00:20:09
Speaker
Thematically better. I guess it is funny that the um the comic patrol itself, you can only put the intercessors in the impulsor. Yeah, yeah. So, the intercessors in the character. Wait, the impulsor really only six? What? It's not ten. Is it to give the rhino a unique role?
00:20:23
Speaker
I don't know. have no idea. just i think it's because it's open-topped as well. It's like fire in deck six. ah But it's always been like the faster, lighter Rhino. ah so the That's why it floats.
00:20:34
Speaker
But yeah, only carry six. Didn't he used to carry ten in eight? No, used to carry five. They only made it six so you could put intercessors and a character in and then everything that actually wants to use an impulsor like blade guard are like Three or six. you can't actually fit a character in there sure Well, you can with three of them, but then you want to you know, you have to take like this is 80 is this 80 you think it's 80 I think is it 80 is it 80? Yeah, yeah, it's better. It's better than the one
00:21:07
Speaker
We'll stick it in A tier and we'll knock it down. Because I'm just going to feel that if I don't think this is better than A tier, what am I putting in the A tier? I know there's one that's S tier, if that helps. Oh, I know there's one S tier, yeah. I wonder if we have the same one. maybe We've also got a red herring in here. that came up when I searched Combat Patrol on the GW website. It's not actually a 40k thing.
00:21:25
Speaker
Okay. Okay. So, Chaos Space Marines. Brand new. Brand new one. I came out like two weeks ago. Yeah. It's got a master possession, it's got five possessed, ten cultists, and ten Chaos Space Marines. An entire box, as opposed to your your your half measures you get in the Space Marine boxes. This is Chaos Thin. As far as I understand it... but Sorry? This is Chaos Thin.
00:21:50
Speaker
This is chaos themed. You can't can't get away from that fact. Also, Master of Possessions, I believe, is has been out of stock on the GW website for eternity. So this be technically... Yeah, because they're in every style box.
00:22:02
Speaker
ah Yeah, it might be technically that they can you'll you'll never get one outside of this box because it's never in stock on the GW website. Value. Value. um Possessed pretty good.
00:22:13
Speaker
CSM Legionaries are actually a reasonable thing right now. They're a much cooler kit than the Intercessors because they have a lot of options. Legionaries are really, really good. and Possessed, I kind of like. Okay. then They're not bad. Again, I'm thinking from like a rules standpoint. It's like a thematic unit in the box.
00:22:27
Speaker
Very cool. Possessed are very sick as a unit. they're also They're also playable right now. They're not like unplayable, which from a rule standpoint is a good place to be. yeah that A lot of these boxes have a lot of stuff in them you just don't ever really want to play. Yeah, you can put Possessed on the table a good time.
00:22:44
Speaker
Definitely. And the Master Possessions model is probably one of the best character models in the CSM. like It's so fucking... I've half painted mine and I need to go back to it. yeah Look how gorgeous that is. Although, can it lead Possessed in the current rules? and I assume so. find out. Hold a second.
00:23:02
Speaker
Because if it can't, that's an absolute fuck. Because then what what would you do with him? But he's the master possession and they're the possessed. Surely. Master possession can lead. Chosen, Legion, is all possessed.
00:23:12
Speaker
Oh, he's got two options in here. Where in the in the Black Templar box, you can only put one of those cunts in the Vino. the embosser. Here, you've got two options. Look at that. It gives them plus one advance in charge in the the main game, which is actually pretty decent.
00:23:26
Speaker
I think possessed with a master possession number are way better than you... Sound like you're giving credit to. you i just think because they got because possessed just got little bit worse, right? and Within. Yeah. So they don't feel as good.
00:23:38
Speaker
They were insanely good and now they don't feel. They got a nerf when the book came out and then chosen are also kind of still. but but Yeah. The problem is internal balancing that you don't want to take. possess You want three squads of chosen before you take your first squad of possessed. If we get into like playing the best CSM lists you can.
00:23:55
Speaker
But as a Starbox, it's very thematic. it looks very cool. It's got some decent units in there as well. I think this is A tier. And this is better than the Templar one. I think it's border on Esther.
00:24:05
Speaker
I really like this box. We'll put a top of A. Top A. Like like for a new player, there's everything you'd expect from CSM. You get some demon-y men, you get your legionary guys, you get some cultists, your little mortal men, you get like a a dude who's got fire on his hands and on his backpack and shit. We love dudes with fire.
00:24:23
Speaker
i mean, the the intercessor in the last box does have candles on his back. So maybe I was not getting enough credit. That's true. Maybe that knocks it up a little bit. Not fire in the hand. Little candle. The next kit has no fire in it.
00:24:37
Speaker
maybe we have to knock it down for that reason. get rid. this Oh, hang on. just For consistency's point, by the way, the CSM box £138 to purchase. That's even worse. Because there's no upgrade sprues that you've missed in there.
00:24:52
Speaker
Yeah, so it is the worst value for money thus far. Although it is 405 points. You're getting more bang-a-buck than that way. Interesting. I think it's fucking banging. Right, speaking of banging, i this one, this is probably my S-tier one.
00:25:05
Speaker
This is also my S-tier one. but You know, this is by far the best box.
Praise for Adeptus Custodes Combat Patrol
00:25:12
Speaker
This is a depth of custodians, everyone. You didn't say the name. For numbers, 780 points.
00:25:19
Speaker
wow I'm just laughing at you helping the audio listeners out as I leave them stranded. I got you gamers. Look, this is the Adeptus Custodes box, Combat Patrol.
00:25:31
Speaker
It's also £100, everyone at home. 780 points, 143 pounds to buy separately. This is probably the most modal of all of them as well because every single box, every single kit that's in here can also build characters.
00:25:45
Speaker
I'll explain that more as we go. So in essence, if you bought three of these, you would have a Custodied Army. Yeah. Which makes it the cheapest and easiest, not cheapest because I think you get other armies for almost as cheap, but it's the easiest army to build in 40k because you can buy three combat patrols you're done.
00:26:00
Speaker
Yeah, because this is half the range in one box. Exactly. We're going to come to one in a minute where you can't even buy seven of the boxes, I think it is, to get a full army. It's insane how bad the point-to-pound ratio is. That's pretty funny.
00:26:10
Speaker
So this is this is um a Blade Champion, yeah three Alaris Custodians, who the Terminators, five Guard, which are the men with spears or swords and shields, and then five... and The Battle Line unit, and five Wardens, which is the same thing, but they have little skirts on them.
00:26:26
Speaker
And essentially... but Yeah, so the point I've given you, would think they have more than that. They feel no pain and they have a minus one to be wounded. I'm not talking the rules. i'm trying to let people know what they look like, Mikey.
00:26:36
Speaker
Feel no pain. helping the Spotify listeners. Imagine a custodian wearing a swan. What? You actually care about them now? ah so feel
00:26:45
Speaker
The cool thing about this box though is I said 780 points. It's actually way more than that because each of the kits, so you get a five-man kit of Guard, a five-man kit of Wardens, and a three-man kit of Alaris Terminators.
00:26:56
Speaker
You can actually go to two men of Alaris Terminators make one of them into a Shield Captain. You can go to four Wardens and make one of them into a Shield Captain. You go to four Guard and make one of them into a Shield Captain. So this box can actually have four characters, two squads of four, one squad of two in it as well. And thus, you'll probably then at that point over a thousand points. I actually think two combat patrols, if you go real hero hammer, which is one of the sub-factions focus studies in the new book, yeah if it is boring.
00:27:20
Speaker
Two of these boxes can probably get you very close to a thousand points. This is unbelievably good. yeah yeah definitely this is really really good part of that is just that's just custodians though right that's just that's how they work they're low model they're already low model count you've only got what six like set what is it 14 models in this box and if you one of them is technically the only character that can only be a character, you can build so many out of it.
00:27:45
Speaker
You obviously want a few characters. Longevity-wise, you've got half the range of one box. All of these units are pretty good right now. um And it's very thematic because there's so much there, you know? that it' It's not just guard and a guy. I love it.
00:28:00
Speaker
I also play Custodians as well, so that's another soft spot. Sure. um is there What's the downside of this? There's got to be a criticism to it. uh it's only infantry there's no variety sure the variety is capes because five of them don't have capes ah yes yes although there is two capes in the box to make your captains you could just take capes on them if you want you could the yeah we're we're getting to put there's only three guys without capes i think yeah I guess like the virtue of it being so fucking good is simply because it's the it's that army, that's how that works. like If there was a Knights Combat Patrol, it would probably have a similar thing, which just gives you a lot of points for pound yeah and stuff.
00:28:39
Speaker
There's not a lot in this range, and there's four kits in this range, in this box.
Dark Angels Combat Patrol Discussion
00:28:43
Speaker
What is it, like, what, ten? Without including Forge World, maybe? Something like that. It's not a very big range. I joked about it being half the range. It literally is half the range in a box. That's why it's good.
00:28:56
Speaker
And the funny thing is, the one because they're such a small range, there's a lack of variety, but also kind of they have to make most of the kits good, otherwise the army kind of sucks. yeah And the data sheets are good. It's their central army rules that people don't complain about.
00:29:11
Speaker
Funnily enough, the one prominent plastic kit that's missing, or the only plastic kit that's missing from this box, if you don't include characters, are the bikes. And the bikes, only things that have been nerfed so hard that people think they're shit now.
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah, I think the bikes in the old Combat Patrol as well, and they just took them out. But they gave this one, and this is just a better box. So, wow, Game of Thrones did something cool. Get rid of the bikes with no one. Remember everyone used to wear like 18 bikes? Oh my god. Have you seen the Christmas box though? It has nine bikes in it.
00:29:39
Speaker
x That's because they're that's because that's they're not in combat patrol anymore. theyre a pop But I also don't think the bikes are not as bad as people make out. I don't think you should play them in a competitive environment because they aren't good enough there. But if you are playing below tournament standard, you'll still have a good time playing the definitely. Because Stoney's data sheets are still reasonable. What you find with, as you've already mentioned, like Custodied Data Sheets as a whole are really good. It's the detachments that aren't great and none of them benefit the bikes really.
00:30:06
Speaker
And the bike shield captains are actually pretty good in the new Hero Hammer thing. So if you have a box of bikes where you have bikes from some reason, like an eBay bundle, build them all as captains. I'll just say they're all captains. And then give them all enhancements just have them fly around doing the Hero Hammer-y shit, I guess. Yeah, definitely. all Even this box, if you want to do that, the Terminators as three separate shield captains are really good. I was thinking that. You could actually...
00:30:26
Speaker
You get three LR Shield Captains, one and two normal Shield Captains. That's five Shield Captains plus the Blade Champion. And then everything else is troops. You're probably at like 1,300 points or something. Probably. like Taking this from a combat patrol start kit to an actual army is very, very easy.
00:30:43
Speaker
That's why it says tier. Yeah, it's fucking phenomenal. I love it. Okay back to some more boring shit. So as what This one is one Captain Gravis armor. It's Dark Angels.
00:30:54
Speaker
You keep the game blasters. Oh shit. I'm sorry. It's Dark Angels Well, I was gonna say at the end honest Five Hell Blasters, ten intercessors, two Dark Angel Primrose upgrade frames. Hell yeah, let's go did yeah yeah on top of All of that stats wise this thing is 445 points by modern standards, but it's only one hundred and twenty three pounds Is that with or without your great sprues? I might have missed up with worth that.
00:31:21
Speaker
That's a lot of value you're missing 22 pounds, but essentially the reason I think this is so cheap compared to the others is that like half the box is just a 40 pound kit of fucking intercessors Yeah, they say so this is this is was it so so wait hang on Blake are good.
00:31:39
Speaker
They fit in the part of the um the The theme of Dark Angels true there is a bit of a steam here Yeah, they're meant to have the inner circle the the first company on top of that plasma is a Dark Angel thing They have straps around it. They have theming around it because they have access to weapons Or abundance of weapons that are considered, you know, probably unethical from the Dark Age technology. Absolutely.
00:32:01
Speaker
yeah So there's some bonuses there. However, um you don't get good value out of this. Innocence is suck, getting two squads of five is sucky. ah ah Under the new rules, you can't attach that character to anything.
00:32:14
Speaker
You can't go into anything. No, the character is solo. I mean, to be fair, like that character with a bunch of enhancements in Gladius is quite funny, because he's like t seven and half damage. but Yeah, I guess so.
00:32:27
Speaker
And again, this is like like the Blood Angel one. This is kind of like, it's got some a great sprues, but you could buy this as any spot space marine player, no matter what faction you play. We need to keep mentioning that. Every space marine one is just a box of space marines. So if you're a space marine person, you can space marine them.
00:32:41
Speaker
oh you Not the Black Templar one. that You can't do it with that one. That's all Black Templar kit. Well, with a little bit of kitbashing, they can be scouts and shit. Crusaders, yeah you don't get enough to make a scout squad. Yeah, you do get four.
00:32:53
Speaker
One more. Okay. Okay, no you don't. You pull four. So the Black Templar one, maybe not. Yeah, sure. I was originally going to stick this way above the Black Angels one, but the more I think about it, the worse it gets. Nah, I think this is probably one of the worst ones. Because again, keep thinking, because I've looked at these yesterday and I was like, oh shit, this one doesn't have Redemptor and Inceptors in it anymore, which it used to. And I'm like, what? Oh shit, yeah, the old one was gas.
00:33:21
Speaker
Yeah, that'd be really good. this is There's no variety because it's all just infantry. Like, we custodied bit different. They are an infantry army. thought it was fucking hilarious that they've removed all the redemptors from all the combat patrols.
00:33:32
Speaker
Yeah, so there's no vehicle, there's no variety. It's just all Marines, and it's just like, okay, I've got ten intercessors. We've already had the conversation that intercessors aren't great. Legard are kind of cool. The captain's a cool kit.
00:33:44
Speaker
He doesn't really fit. i don't know why he's in there. It was just like a captain. That'd be quite interesting, because he's like, yeah, you can go with any unit. It fucking bizarre to me that this is the new one that came with 10th.
00:33:55
Speaker
Like, this is so obviously aimed at 9th or some shit, right? Captain with real ones or some hellblasters or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this one is better than people think as well. They're fun. Like yeah, yeah Yeah, okay, we should shoot on death for free as well now. So Yeah, I think this is worse than the blood angel one Well, I put it out C C tier. Okay.
00:34:19
Speaker
Yeah, I think we can knock it down when we get to other ones. I don't think he things and don think it's terrible But again, it's just kind of like it's just also you want to bottom a B No, I think C is good. Hi C If you've got 10 intercessors, you're automatically never making it into above sea. There you Yeah, yeah. I think that... Which is not a spoiler for anything else. I think we're out of intercessor town now. There's no more intercessors to come. Oh, me. No, I think there's one more.
00:34:44
Speaker
Blue grey. Oh, fuck. Combat patrol, Jukari. This is... You said the name, mate. Great job. Oh. One Archon, 10 Kabbalah warriors, five Incubi, one Ravager, one
Positive Review of Drukhari Combat Patrol
00:34:55
Speaker
Raider.
00:34:56
Speaker
i assume the Raider Ravager kit is the Raider Ravager kit, so you could make two of one or two of the other. I don't want to say, because I'm not sure. Yeah, I am so unfamiliar with Dark Eldar.
00:35:07
Speaker
I own all of this stuff because i bought it on eBay once, and it's still grey plastic, and it's been two years. I have not paid a single Dark Eldar, even after buying a load. um Let's look at these sprues.
00:35:22
Speaker
Yeah, but only showing one sprue that has the bits for the plane, the vehicle. So i'm I'm going to confidently say with 85% confidence that you can build two ravagers or two raiders out of this kits.
00:35:35
Speaker
Mikey's doing some Googling, frantic Googling. um I think this is actually a reasonable, ah very, very reasonable starter kit. The fact that it comes with two flying, tanky, either transport or gunboats is pretty sick.
00:35:48
Speaker
I'm a big fan of the Archon model. I think it's very cool. the Incubi are very cool. Okay. The the Ravager kit is £2.50 more expensive than the Raider. Oh, there's an upgrade screw. Yeah, that tells me they're different. Yeah, there's an extra, yeah. So what often happens, people at home don't know, there'll be the same kit, the same plastic shit, then there'll be one extra smaller, normally like this big. Yeah. people who have seen it visually, or maybe this big, that'll have the extra guns on it, right?
00:36:13
Speaker
Uh-huh. So actually, no, without a bit of 3D printing or some heavy conversion, you probably can't build two ravagers. But you can build two raiders then. You can build two raiders, so two transports, or one ravager. So the Dell Dark kit is 145, sorry, 455 points currently and 140 pounds to buy everything separately.
00:36:28
Speaker
points currently and hundred and forty pounds to buy everything separately Okay, so I've seen an average of £40 saving, and then anything more than that is a bit of the anomaly.
00:36:40
Speaker
Because I was like, oh, that's not great, but actually the first one was probably the best value, right? The Blood Angel one. Yes, the Blood Angel one is the best value, if those sprues are good. yeah If not, it becomes just above average. really like this one. This i is this so...
00:36:55
Speaker
This is so like solidly Dark Eldar. It also, it speaks to me as a third edition, well, I started playing second edition, but having a third edition starter, because the original third edition starter was 10 or 20 Kabbalah Warriors, not called Kabbalah Warriors, I think called Dark Eldar Warriors. think there was one Raider that was like the starter kit back then.
00:37:15
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. Is this going to be A or S? uh so i think because of the the variety of kits again you've got like incubi and hakon that's like a cool unit you know you've got the cab lights in some raider that's cool they got a little shooting platform again you could build it as two raiders and put like the incubi and the raider as well so i think there's like a little bit of flexibility in this one so i think a tier yeah definitely tier stopping it from being s what would you want from this to be s uh i'm not sure it's great it's great venom missing a venom right
00:37:46
Speaker
But you want a Venom as well? This already comes with two boats. That's sick. It looks formidable. It gives you a variety of stuff to paint. You've got melee units and shooter units. It's good for a new player. If I was going to start Dark Eldar tomorrow, I would probably buy this Combat Patrol a franchise player. Yeah, I would buy it as well. Yeah,
Death Guard Combat Patrol Analysis
00:38:02
Speaker
it's S tier. think this is S. Yeah, think It doesn't have a downside. was reserved. I was too reserved with the AP. Apart that you're playing Eldar.
00:38:09
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. They will just die in a turn. That's a problem. LAUGHTER But hopefully they'll kill everything they touch. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. That's a good one. that one Right. This one 405 points of Death Guard, which will cost you £137 to buy separately.
00:38:26
Speaker
And it is such a fucked box. It is one Typhus, yeah one Biologus Putrefire. Great unit. blends in with ah the... I don't like the... I didn't even know it was there. yeah yeah the the paint scheme the traditional death card paint scheme really makes everyone look the same because everyone's got gubbins and shit all over them everyone's bit green like you last week seven plague marines which is actually a box of plague marines because they come in sevens and 30 pox walkers which is really interesting because because last edition pox walkers were great yeah nowadays i don't think death card players touch them because they're not great
00:39:01
Speaker
And don't forget, this all actually comes with ah more than you've let on, because it comes with seven and a half Plague Marines, because the Poxwalker kit has half a Plague Marine on it from Dark Imperium.
00:39:12
Speaker
There we go. You can put that on the base, you can put some dirt over it, it looks like a dead Marine. I think, like, some Plague Marines are named character, which the first instance that we've seen amongst the Combat Patrol. Yeah, that's true. can attach, I believe, to either of the units. I think he can attach to Plague Marines and to...
00:39:30
Speaker
Poxwalkers. Yeah, the biologous putrefier is a meta pick right now as well because he does all the grainy spam stuff I think all the fight lasts is one of those two Yeah, um, but then 30 poxwalkers a lot 30 zombies is lot. It feels like they're just like making their numbers up quite literally That's the problem with it. Yeah, it almost feels like they've got abundance of sprues somewhere in a deep dark basement They're like stick him in the death guard. Just stick him in there yeah because i think if you if you took like 10 pox walkers you know instead of 30 everything in this box is good you know you don't want that many pox walkers but and you don't want a new player having to paint 30 pox walkers as now that is daunting no exactly so it's like and again it's not it's not 30 different models it's 10 models three times
00:40:16
Speaker
What we're going to come to as well is that this... And that's a very good point, actually. Yeah, there's there's multiplication of sculpts in this yeah in this, which we haven't seen yet across the other ones. um You see this with Thousand Cents as well. They really... And I guess the world eaters. They really just spam the same unit to make up the kit.
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah. um Which, sometimes, is testament to the lack of fucking cheats they've got. but Yeah, because it feels like it should be like terminates in here right like three dash round or what five like loads or something That'd be a cool box. Even if they just got rid of all of the Potswalkers and put five terminates in it'd still be interesting be crap value But yeah, i don't hate it, but I don't I don't think I'd ever buy it. I don't think it's too many Yeah, it might be more than anyone ever needs to own it is cool to have an endless horde though that that there is a thing. Okay. Yeah, but but every other kit in here is good. I just think 30 is too many. 10 would be great. Hold up, hold on and just You're thinking too much of current rules. Plague marines are currently good.
00:41:17
Speaker
They have been at times completely fucking useless like 8th and 9th people didn't there's just not a plague marine on a table right you just play loads of fucking terminators and shit Yeah, true. Playgrounds are good right now, but they could be absolute doggers But they're also like a staple, right? Because they've never been as bad as Intercessors.
00:41:33
Speaker
Sure. They're better than Intercessors, so that they could go higher than B tier. Yeah, they're only marginally better than it says most additions. Yeah, but there's like a quite cool kit as well There's a lot of like if you talk about like as a big beginner getting into the game There's a lot of fun to paint.
00:41:48
Speaker
They're like there's a lot of texture in there. You know, i mean there's like there's like heavy armor They've got like these 1940s style space marine guns And then they've got like like just guts everywhere, which is cool so there's a bit of variety which makes paint six more expensive because you need more but Yeah, I think I think this is decent. It's just too many pops walkers, which is I don't think it's yeah the the sheer number of bodies plus the the painting Yeah, that's because as a new player you just can like move around models and then just take them all off the board and then a couple of come back It's like okay cool.
00:42:20
Speaker
ah
Critique of Deathwatch Combat Patrol
00:42:21
Speaker
Does that feel? Yeah, you will not have a fun play experience playing pox walkers right now. No, exactly. Um, bottom of B ah Yeah, it's like it's like similar to blood angels I would say it's like decent the the models in it are okay There's just like a bit of like someone holding it back if it's not intercessors. Yeah, okay We'll put that there. We might knock it down in a moment. Yeah, yeah We have now got Where are you? Well, I can't do windows. I'm so I'm still deliriously sick just so people know I'm fucking all over the place this thing
00:42:52
Speaker
this This is the death watch combat patrol for those of you listening on audio one primaris lieutenant which Anyone who's been collecting Marines for more than two years will have to any of these fucking things already. Yep.
00:43:04
Speaker
Our primary is apothecary who I miss greatly for being a useful unit Ten primaris intercessors three primaris aggressors and two death watch upgrades sprues. Yeah now Again, this is a Space Marine box with upgrade sprues, okay? You can buy this as any player.
00:43:20
Speaker
Yeah, so stats-wise... Please don't....stats-wise... Deathwatch is 395 points, it comes to £147 value. Better value okay so better value because of itgrades breise It's up there because of the upgrades, Bruce. Yeah. um I don't really understand how the Death Watch teams build together because people don't know Death Watch gets to this thing where they mix and match like guys in the same armor or not even the same armor, I think. It is the same armor these days. It didn't used to be, but now, yeah. So they have like Death Watch veterans, which are their like staple, their staple normal kit, which isn't in this box.
00:43:52
Speaker
and then any other basic infantry kit you mix the the armor together so it's tactical which is right yeah which is like the the intercessors they're in tactical armor and then the aggressors are in uh gravice armor and they make their own kill team and there's phobos and there's bikes i guess uh you get bike kill teams don't you no bikes draw another team i think the bikes go in other teams you know So fucking stupid. It just looks dorky.
00:44:21
Speaker
This box for Death weight Watch sucks ass. It's not great. Because you've got ten intercessors, three aggressors, and you can't even mix and match them to do the kill team thing where you have like varied units and shit. Nope.
00:44:33
Speaker
It is terrible. but And then you've got two characters, both of which can attach... No, one of which can attach to the team intercessors because you can't you can do a capsule lieutenant but you can't do lieutenant in apothecary, right?
00:44:44
Speaker
I can find out. I think you can do this shit yeah I think you can mix and match like that but i'm not 100% sure because just I haven't played one in a while you can attach this to one above even if has a captain, chapter master or lieutenant that has already been attached to so yeah you can attach both yeah ah and he will be able to revive one model and when the unit one model in the command phase and then when the entire unit is destroyed on a two plushie gain a command point
00:45:16
Speaker
It's incredible. You'll have ah an X-ray and a S-ray every turn if they're not completely dead. This sucks ass. This sucks. yeah even he didn't realize realize until this moment this might be this is the worst of the Marine Boxes.
00:45:27
Speaker
I think this is like terrible. Yeah. Cause even like as a death watch player, you want death watch veterans, which they don't have, you know, and then as a, just a generic box, it's just, again, it's my first army, right?
00:45:42
Speaker
It's does the upgrade screw allow you to turn the intercessors into something special. Can it make them into vets? Nope. Nope. Doesn't come with extra guns and shit. Nope. It comes with shoulder pads. Well, yeah, no, fuck this, right? Moving on. They've all got cool shoulder pads, okay? That's what your grace booth is paying for.
00:45:59
Speaker
The other point is, I guess, maybe that's not too long for this world because there's a rumor that Mikey cannot comment on because he gets stuff from GW, so he's not allowed to comment on this. have no fucking idea. I think they tell me that stuff like that that far ahead. Are you joking? There is collapsing of stuff into Imperial Agents as the is the coming rumor.
00:46:13
Speaker
That's the room which means Inquisition Death Watch Grey Knights I guess technically sisters all could fall into that Obviously we've had a sisters book now so they are not getting collapsed I doubt Grey Knights will but Death Watch as this fucking the red-headed stepchild of Space Marines that they don't even get the combat patrol just prove that they give a shit It's so funny searching Death Watch on Reddit and everyone just being angry at me for playing them that one time then them getting the mega nerf straight after Is that a thing? Yeah, if you search out some Wargaming Death Watch on Reddit, it's a very fun time.
00:46:44
Speaker
Take a shot, heard someone, every time someone plays me, you'll be very drunk. oh very but No one plays
Review of Eldar Combat Patrol
00:46:51
Speaker
them. Did you play them with marine kits without the shoulder pads? No, so because I played them at the start of 10th edition when they were like super broken, because like that all the stratagems that had, because all their stratagems are like different ammo rounds, right?
00:47:04
Speaker
It's like if you take this one, you get these sorts of rules. But there is, and before it didn't say that it was only for their like special bolters. So it was like anything. So you could take Desolation Marines and give them Anti-Britory 2+.
00:47:20
Speaker
Which is obviously crazy and they tell and any any unique would teleport because you pick up two units put down one pick up to you death watch various or one unit and then deep strike it the next turn that wasn't just specifically death watch units it was any units you could teleport desolation squads and then give him a two plus It was just giving death watch players their final hurrah before they get collapsed into another yeah, and it's a sat at temperature. She was like two ones into the edition I'm saying this, but if they get collapsed into some Imperial agents bullshit, there could be a fact that they come out and they're actually cracked. where it wont like
00:47:55
Speaker
It was funny, because like because the reason they hate me is because I talked about it on stream, and I had one of the judges, which is like a rules writer, watching the game, and I was like, Yeah, Death Watch Writer and just re-roll all hit rolls, all wound rolls of one against any target ah because the way the rules are wrote down because it says like, unless you're in PML chaos, you get re-rolls, but it's like, you always re-roll ones. And he's like, that's not right. And like, yeah, is.
00:48:17
Speaker
And there's a few a few rules like that when I was playing. I was like, no, it does work like that. And they were like, oh yeah, it does. and then Wait, wait, wait. i I'm not following. You told the rules right they were wrong? they They told me I was wrong mid-game, and i was like, no, that's how it works reading. andre like, oh, actually, yeah, you're right.
00:48:32
Speaker
And then loads of those rules got taken out of the game. Got fixed. Yeah, so it's my part. Well, good. See? This is what playtesting live during a tournament. Yeah, literally. ah Speaking of broken at the beginning of 10th, here is the Eldar Combat Patrol, none of which was actually any good at the beginning of 10th. I guess maybe the decanon platform, technically.
00:48:50
Speaker
This is a Farseer on foot, an ancient... Actually, is that a plastic kit? The Farseer, yeah. No, sorry. that is the Is that the new plastic kit from... Okay. The new from, like, 10 years ago, yeah. Yeah.
00:49:05
Speaker
Because it's got the base on the sprue, that one. That's how old it is. Yes, yeah, because it's almost the same base as the um the firstborn librarian, but that's not good. That's the development, and I don't know why I'm even thinking about that.
00:49:18
Speaker
Wraith Vartia, Wraith Lord, which is like ah ah the Dreadnought equivalent, six Windriders, ten Guardians, which come with a little heavy support platform, which is now its own unit, I believe. it's No, no, no, no, no. No, no, it's that's a different kit you're thinking of.
00:49:32
Speaker
That's a heavy weapon platform, not a platform. In which case this doesn't come to as many points as I thought it did. I've added a heavy weapon support platform. as our support platform No. okay So the Guardian kit can have like a heavy weapon support platform, which is like a bright lance and a missile launcher or something like that. A heavy weapon, not a deep kind of platform.
00:49:51
Speaker
Right. And then if they have Storm Guardians, it can be a shield thing. It's a different kit. it's not No, no, this can be built as that. so and of ah Can built as Storm Guardians with Serpent Scale platform.
00:50:04
Speaker
Which leads me to my next question. Is this the new Guardian kit? It must be then. And if so, how the fuck have they got? Oh, because the old Stark collecting had Wraith Guard in it.
00:50:15
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so this is actually a new box, even if it looks ancient. Okay. That's very bad for what about to tell you all then. Because... So with the weapons platform, it's 555 points. So it's probably about 500 points then. think the weapons platform is like 40, 45. So 510, let's say. I think it's like 80 points. Oh, okay.
00:50:31
Speaker
and eighty seven and these are eight people oh why case so so then it's sub i could look on my phone actually this is ninety seven points worth of kids 97 pounds worth of kits, sorry. This is very, very cheap. This is... i think you get zero.
00:50:48
Speaker
Wait, what? It's 97 pounds and it's a hundred pound retail. Are you telling me it's three more? Hang on, have we just discovered... Hang on, we'll go do this live then. No way. You've not just told me... You've not just told me that this a hundred pound box is worth less than a hundred pounds. That's... That's capitalism scam.
00:51:06
Speaker
but you can't You can't even buy Eldar because woke these days. ah Right. so Here we go. Mikey, get your calculator out. I'm going to show them on screen as we go. ah One second. Let me get it.
00:51:17
Speaker
Where's the calculator? Oh, my God. Right. Right. Farsia. Farsia. 20 pounds. 20. Windriders. 37 pounds.
00:51:29
Speaker
and okay that's a hundred there but That's 94 pounds so far. You've done your maths wrong. Did Jellybad one box of bikes? Does come in threes? There's six in there. Oh, is it a box of six? That's where the difference is. Okay, missed second box. okay Okay. So it's like a hundred. that we got if it So two of that, then a guardian.
00:51:50
Speaker
Guardian squad is? 37. Jesus, that's so expensive. I know, it's fucking crazy. And and then a Wraith Lord 40. i Okay, this is a hundred and seventy one pounds retail.
00:52:04
Speaker
Oh my god, my numbers might be way way you know they're all they didn't mean the free Right, I might actually just scrap talking about the price of them because I'm so fucked. I think I've... I was doing it in a rush and I'm basically delirious. I can hardly use the tabs on my computer. Okay. okay So, now no, no. I was excited that we discovered... No. That make sense, to be fair, because it is... I was like, what are you going to buy is £97? What's going on? Because all the kids are ancient and shit. That's why. They're not. The Wraith Lord is the oldest kid and it still has hands up.
00:52:35
Speaker
Hang on, I'm on the wrong fucking tab. you see what I mean? I don't even know where we are. Right. The Farsi is pretty fucking old. This is pretty fucking old. And the Wind Riders are old. How old are Wind Riders? The Wind Riders came out and like late 7th edition. So probably like six and a bit years old.
00:52:51
Speaker
They look like shit. Nah, they're decent. Nah, they're good. They are not! You look at those, even, maybe it says paint job, even those guardians look kind of old hat. I think that's new guardians. The paint job looks dangerous, yeah, because it because it was, again, it was like 7th edition.
00:53:08
Speaker
so But it was like late 7th edition. So like they've been out for like two and a bit editions, really. Maybe three tops. and relative theyre They're relatively new like as as a kit in this box compared to the Wraith Lord which has been around since 4th edition.
00:53:23
Speaker
Yeah, the Wraith Lord The Wraith Lord is very old. It's a plastic Wraith Lord kit, 4th edition. So that makes it how old? Maybe over 20 years? 4th edition was, yeah, probably about 2006-ish. No, 2004, sorry. Yeah, so it's probably the oldest kit in the Combat Patrol so far, not the Raiders.
00:53:48
Speaker
I i think I think Raiders got redone in fifth if I remember clearly So it's a similar so yeah, so like the Wraith was really old the Farseer is kind of old But he came around the same time as the Windriders. It's not like they're not terrible kits. They're not awful They're just the Storm Guardians are brand new It may just be the paint scheme.
00:54:09
Speaker
Yeah. But i think this I think this box looks bad to look at it. And to to to explain some of my biases too, I love the Rafe Lord kit. It's ancient, but like it's one of the things I think is iconic. It's kind of the box. Yeah. don't like it when people talk about taking that away.
00:54:23
Speaker
I love this kit. But i just can't look at that compo tour and not think, this just looks raggedy. And I wonder, maybe that's an issue with, i I built the Guardian kit and didn't build it. So I haven't built it yet and seen it in my hands. So maybe the kits are better once you get to see them and you paint them up and stuff. Yeah, I think the Guardian kit's really good.
00:54:41
Speaker
It's really, really nice. And again, I do like the Windriders. ah Because I've built the older the old bikes as well. but i Yeah, I had the old bikes as a kid. I had like um three or four of No, no, this is like 8th edition. Because I was really shiny spears.
00:54:56
Speaker
and there Oh, no, no. I mean, I had bikes, which I thought were these kits, back in like 3rd edition. I owned like one box of them, so No, so the bikes are a nice kick because they also contain the sprue as well, which is nice. If you're a new player, you snap off one sprue, you build a bike with that one little sprue and then move on.
Praise for Grey Knights Combat Patrol
00:55:14
Speaker
It's not like... Actually, it's a kit to build. It's really nice. Instead of having random small parts on different sprues. Yeah, you've got like half your bike and the bottom of the sprue, then there's like a hand at the top hidden away. I built a battle wagon recently and it's just random shit across four different sprues. It's a nightmare. It's not a good to build.
00:55:32
Speaker
uh okay like taking this from combat patrol to army a bit strange because eldar and arena really weird position but i think this comes with like a nice amount of units like a bit bit difference i think the wraith lord whilst iconic will be very fun to paint and very fun to use in small games as soon as you go into big games it kind of like starts to show it's like issues of being a bit slow and not having any huge damage output potential
00:55:58
Speaker
I can see a world where next edition the Wraith Lord is just fucking crazy. like this is This is how things go, right? like Yeah, for sure. so like i think i guess is I think this is a good box. I know you don't like it. I think it's decent. I don't know why I don't like it because I like you i like the idea of painting a Wraith Lord and painting some bikes.
00:56:17
Speaker
It's not. I own loads of Eldar that never ever played You elves. you know I don't you hate them elf boys I'm still shocked at how I just missed out two kits on the pricing still um where are we sticking this thing uh I think I think it's to be way way above the other's b-tier yeah I don't I don't think it's a tier I don't think it's like because it's like a bit of a game it's a bit random kits you know i mean it's like here's a big bunch of bikes and then like but isn't that a positive though for especially for new so so if I was starting LR today I wouldn't buy this box. But I also... No. That's why I don't think they tiered.
00:56:55
Speaker
So I wouldn't buy this box. yeah Would a new player say to me, should I buy this box? I wouldn't say no well I would... Again, the because of thing the things that are going to be like staples all the time are the Farsi and the Guardians, right?
00:57:10
Speaker
If you're going to be Yeah. You're going to use those a lot no matter what. The Rayflawn and the Bikes are kind of fun. I don't think it's like taking this Eldar to like an... ah i That's the problem. I think Eldar is a really weird army to build into an army right now because it's really all skew things. I'm trying to like...
00:57:25
Speaker
not consider the rules yeah i don't yeah i don't think this that this obviously doesn't stand up to the rules but the rules change so severely and so drastically each edition that it's hard to yeah i think that all the fall we've got in s tier at the two that got next here which is custodians of dracari and then we've got um chaos and black templars in a i think all of those can be easily transferred into a larger army where i don't think this one does that's why i think it's b tier okay top of b then high b yeah i'm a i be I'm okay with that considering I look at it and it just it looks ancient and i didn't i that might be design language more so than anything else I think the problem with it is is all the bases on the bikes are invisible so it's really empty you know
00:58:05
Speaker
yeah Yeah, and I also associate that those smaller bases with old kits, I guess. as yeah Okay, speaking of ancient shit that needs revamps, here's the Grey Knights. The Grey Knights? The Grey Knights are one Liberian in Terminator armour, one Nemesis Dread Knight, five Grey Knight Brotherhood Terminators, which can be built as paladins, and five Grey Knight Strike Squad members that can be built as fucking a thousand different things. yeah Every infantry kit in the Grey Knight book can be built from that one box.
00:58:31
Speaker
Grey Knights are by far the best army when it comes to this building because it's just like, buy one kit and you've got everything in it. So because of that, which is similar to the modal custodes, and also because they're a bit anemic in terms of sheets, again, you get basically everything you want in this box, although you've got to pick a road to build it.
00:58:51
Speaker
um The other interesting thing I found was that when I was trying to point them up in the app, Librarian and Terminator Armour doesn't exist anymore. It's Brotherhood Librarian. That's why. Oh, it is Brotherhood Librarian. Okay. So actually, this is this is more points than I thought it was then. Yeah. The Librarian currently is one of the best units in the Codex, in the Index.
00:59:08
Speaker
Yeah. as They actually i have like a crazy mortal wound ability and they tend because they're Great Knights, they can teleport around the board. So they drop down, don't roll a water and do loads of more wounds. I put this at 620 points, but I think that's with me just trying to guess which character this is called now.
00:59:25
Speaker
Because I wasn't sure if it was the Brotherhood. think the Brotherhood was 120 points, I think. yeah Let me check. Yeah, this this box is like... ah We're talking Custody style again. and We're talking... 800. 800. Brotherhood are 645 points. Okay, yeah, good. And if my pricing was correct for this, which it probably was, £146.50, so it's just slightly above the medium. Yeah, I think this is a great... It's ancient models because the entire Grey Knight range is, ah but the fact that they are ancient, they were made in a time where any box builds anything. As I said, like the Terminators can build Paladins, and the the Strike Squad is Interceptors and Purifiers and...
01:00:06
Speaker
the other the one because it's four interceptors interceptors intercept strike squad interceptors purifiers and then there's one more purgation purgation yeah so that one kit builds four different units this is tier and the grand grandmaster grandmaster in dreadknight armor or a dreadknight So I've never i've never built Grey Knights.
01:00:29
Speaker
I always thought they were boring played Chaos Gate and now I actually love them. Grey Knights are so That game is sick. I love them. You get all the spare bits so you can easily kitbash other main kits to be... yeah I've seen this a lot of tournaments. People have got like intercessors and just got like a different shoulder pad and a gun on them and stuff like that. not and Not that I would condone like 3D printing Warhammer but there's a video by a guy watch called Six Sided Dice I think.
01:00:52
Speaker
and he did a video of like how many models can I get out the grey knight kit you know and he like prints his legs and stuff like that he prints a couple of torso's couple of legs and he gets like 20 models out of that one yeah this is S tier I don't think it's quite custodied's tier because custodied's you can you can buy two boxes and literally build hero hammer custodied's Yeah. But this is a great box. Is it 500 and something?
01:01:14
Speaker
Yeah, don't forget. and i don't The problem is is if you did it, you'd lose stuff. But like the Terminator box is the way you build like a Grandmaster on fork because there's like a specific kit for it. Right. So you need kits from that to build a Grandmaster and you need the same for, I can't remember the name of the units, but like the the Marine Scale Brotherhood, not like Lieutenants, you know?
01:01:40
Speaker
I've just realized that because of all the modal stuff, like if you build the strike squad as a um hang on, is it five or 10 Marines in the box? There's five, there's 10 in the original. So the strike squad is 120 points, right? But if you but build them as a jump pack, guys, it's 130.
01:01:55
Speaker
Brotherhood Terminator is a 210, but they're 220 if you build them as paladins. So two of these boxes gets you to like approximately just under 1,400 points. Yeah. Like three combat patrols build you will have a legitimate army.
01:02:08
Speaker
Yeah. You would have that. course, Jokes aside, if you want to go let's do competitive, which I said we're not doing, but triple librarian, triple Terminator Squad with three Dreadnights is sick.
01:02:20
Speaker
Yeah. And then how much is a Nemesis Dreadknight character? How much are they? think they're about 20 points. points. Yeah, you could eat you could nearly get 2,000 points out of two boxes of this. You're approaching like 1,500 points.
Warhammer Combat Patrol Boxes Discussion
01:02:32
Speaker
That's crazy good. Really good. Okay, it's not quite Custody's crazy good, ah but it's close. as in S tier just behind. Just behind Custody's ahead of Ghakari. GSC, the topical one, but they've just made the Combat Patrol strictly worse.
01:02:47
Speaker
They had a box set that had this, basically this, with a slight changes and then big unit um big rock grinder unit in as well. um My maths is probably fucking way off for this one
Genestealer Cults Combat Patrol Critique
01:02:58
Speaker
as well. 385 points, £133 value though.
01:03:02
Speaker
Because there's hardly anything in the box. It is one Jackal Alphas on motorbike, an Achilles Ridge Runner, which is the small vehicle, Fire Talon Jackals, which are the guys on motorbikes, and then ten hybrid metamorphs, which are basically they like the um slightly better version of their troop choice. They can be built as hybrid acolytes as well, which are the troop choices.
01:03:22
Speaker
Yeah, well actually they they look cooler but the acolyte hybrids are usually better and always have been the hybrids never see the tabletop which is a shame Because they look cooler essentially got like three versions of the infantry kit and it's It's very funny. I don't know if this is the case for the kit and you can perhaps talk to this if you look at the comic patrol picture these 10 models, just five models duplicated, two of the same, look at that guy, it's the same fucking model.
01:03:47
Speaker
Yeah. And you'd never, would you have two standard bearers in one unit? You don't get two icons in one unit, do you? No, because I think the sprues are repeated, because I think it's like a box of 10 is too, they don't quite go together like modern kits, because they're very flexible in terms of how you build them.
01:04:04
Speaker
But yeah, I think they just Photoshop the same models five, like twice, the same five models. Yeah. I think this comic drawer is not very good. but i'm also
Debate on Genestealer Cults as a Starter Army
01:04:14
Speaker
i'm gonna say you can compare it to the one they had like three weeks ago and that was good that'd be like because it had like a ridge uh rock grinder in there as well yeah and you'd go i'll buy three of them and call it a day and that's like start of an army i yeah i feel like they've just downgraded which we should never happily swallow this is shrinkflation right Yeah, yeah, well to a huge degree because the rock grinder kit is like 42 pounds, isn't it?
01:04:37
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm very disappointed. Also, I just don't think this is a good start to an army. One troop squad, five bikes, ah little vehicle thing. It's fine. I think you'd probably still buy it. i If I was starting to something tomorrow, I'd probably still buy this.
01:04:50
Speaker
Yeah, that's the thing. The thing is with Genes of the Cult is you need so many models. like It's just such a it is such a swarm army like there's the nature of it. It's warm, right?
01:05:02
Speaker
That's the whole point of it But they just need so many models that actually this box is not too bad because again those neophyte the not neophyte sorry at the hybrid acolytes I think they called hybrid back metamask also build ah the acolytes which is the other troop choice and and they They've always been pretty good Now, the new Cadillac is out, and i've the problem is is I don't... Because there's, like, no points them either, but I'm not sure, like, what unit's really good, what's really interesting.
01:05:32
Speaker
But the bikes are pretty good. ah They're, like, they're like... Well, the bikes have always been quite good as well. Yeah, they're quite good they're not, like, a crazy unit, but they're, like, really decent. ah They're really fast. They're a cool unit to build and paint as well. Yeah, the Jackal Alphys is really cool as well, like a lone operative sniper guy on a bike, which is kind of fun.
01:05:49
Speaker
ah The Ridge Runner... I'm going put them... Right, I'm putting them above Blood Angels. Above Death Guard. Just below...
01:05:58
Speaker
I guess it might be a model range issue. There's nothing truly iconic about Genestealer Cult other than just being a lot of Genestealer. That's kind of their point though, right? That's so what's what so weird about them. Their point is they're not iconic. I guess the Broodlord is the most iconic character like unit in their army. And even then it's an eternal unit. It's an eternal unit that's just scooped over.
01:06:17
Speaker
Patriarch, sorry, not Broodlord. If you're going to play Genestealers, this isn't a bad starting point because it gives you a lot of units. yeah So is it better than Eldar then? Yeah, probably. i think it's better than Eldar. It's just that the problem is I'm trying to perceive it as the value now than what he could have been three weeks ago.
01:06:33
Speaker
I mean, that's the big big issue with it. The only thing that you don't really want to pee is the the character in it. All the other units, you you would happily take multiples off. You'll need 30 Acolytes, if anything. ah yeah near fight hy Acolyte hybrids.
01:06:47
Speaker
it because It's Acolyte, Neophyte, and then Hybrid Metaboth. It's all the same. At least there's not two characters in here. That's another Genestealer cult complaint, right? Is that they're character heavy? and this Yeah. Every new moral they get as a character. Which is nice, because if you want to start GSC, you buy through this box, you buy the Brood Coven, which is the Patriarch, the Magnus, and the Primus.
01:07:06
Speaker
And then you've got like a decent starting point, I would say. but it's But that
Review of Astra Militarum Combat Patrol
01:07:10
Speaker
probably with that, it's not very many points, because it's because it's a Horde army. Yeah, I mean, maybe it's better than the other starter, but don't want to put it too high up just because they've just done it. No, I don't think it's like 80. Isn't that also harsh that we're punishing this particular... Like, imagine getting a worse grade in school.
01:07:25
Speaker
like It's not its fault, you know? It's not the box's fault that GW killed this all the brother. It's very subjective. Right, let's talk about one that quite like and I've bought one of recently. This is the Astra Militar in box.
01:07:40
Speaker
It's called a Cadian Command Squad, 20 Cadian Shock Troopers, Armoured Sentinel, it can be a scout Sentinel as well, two Ordnance Squad teams, and a Cadian Infantry Transfer Sheet, who cares? um I like this as a starting point for Guard.
01:07:53
Speaker
um This is just the Cadian Starter Box, right? ah With a character? might be the but something With an extra character? yeah Well, the only character in this is the Cadian Command Squad.
01:08:07
Speaker
Isn't it? No, it's a Cadian Command. Oh, it is a Cadian Command Squad. It's not an extra character in there. No, this is just a Starbox, I'm sure. Yeah. Well, no, there's something else in that Cadian box, surely.
01:08:19
Speaker
Because it's limited time release. ah Did it have Ursula in there? Oh, the Codex. No, it's the same. It's the same, yeah. And that and that was £140, £30, £120 something. <unk> retail and to buy retail something Yeah, I really like this. Alden's guns are very astro-meditarium. The Scout Sentinel's got strong rules right now and again are reasonably iconic.
01:08:39
Speaker
You're going to need guardsmen. yards space the same kit it's the same box as KD stands without a cardex, and it's like £25 cheaper. This is a great box. It's really good box. The ah the numbers I got of it earlier is 495 points, which shocked ah ah hundred and fifty three pos Yeah. So, four boxes creates an army. Of course, you don't want to do that. You don't want to play... Well, you can play 80 Guardsmen.
01:09:04
Speaker
Well, it's that Decadian Shock Troop, so you they're a little bit different to just basic Guardsmen as well, the basic infantry squads, but they're decent. ah scout but Scout Sentinel or Sentinel is always fun. very cool, iconic guard unit.
01:09:17
Speaker
not only is it iconic, the kit's got an interesting thing about it with... The front top hatch bit is just... That that makes it the armoured one, but it's over the shell of the guy inside. now You can just leave off. and You can magnetise if you want to, and it just slides on.
01:09:30
Speaker
So you can build them as both versions of the unit and then play them as whichever you want to play them as. Yeah. Which I think makes the kit the kit and the box even better. Yeah, it's 495 points. Oh, no, sorry. Ignore me.
01:09:41
Speaker
I put two field ordnance batteries in because I was trying to figure out whether it was one unit or two. It's 375 points. Sorry. Okay. That makes more sense. It's not a huge army, but... the The field holders and the batteries, again, aren't great on the tabletop, but they're very iconic guard unit of like big heavy weapon platforms.
01:09:56
Speaker
Yeah, I still think they're reasonable. They're not, again, I don't think should take them to tournaments, but you'll still have fun shooting cannons into people over buildings and stuff. The command squad is very iconic. I love this thing.
01:10:07
Speaker
With a big banner, that's very cool. And then 20 infantry is not too... easy I mean, obviously we said 30 Poxwalkers is too much. All of these are a bit more unique, got a bit more going on, which is cool. Yeah, there's a difference there. 20 is a good number.
01:10:20
Speaker
Because the Poxwalkers are repeating models with no special gear. where this is every single model. Also, here's an upside. the The new Cadian shock trip kit is phenomenal. Like, it's probably my favorite infrastructure kit they've ever made. yeah Every single person can be uniquely made.
01:10:35
Speaker
They have, like, multiple options on the sprue before we get into even into buying the Cadian upgrades sprue as well. which allows you to make different hand gestures and arms and guns and shit on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the sprues also come with flamers and melters and stuff, so you can kick them out how you want to with special weapons, up to one or two per ten or whatever it is.
01:10:55
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. I think all the kids and all the kits in here as well, interestingly, are brand new. It's the new Sentinel, the new Ordnance Squad. They're literally year old. The new Cadian, yeah. Where a lot of these command things, like oh with the Eldar one, a lot of the shit's old.
01:11:09
Speaker
yeah So I think this is great but it's not quite good as good value for money as the guard the custodian ones and stuff. It's probably up with the Deldar one, Dark Eldar one. I guess the downside is if you buy two of these,
Assessing Value of Various Combat Patrols
01:11:19
Speaker
you have two command squads, which is pushing it. You probably don't want to. If you buy three of these, you now have three command squads. You just don't need three command squads. However...
01:11:26
Speaker
little bit of kit bashing. You can change them into um ah the... Build a Castellan out there, yeah. Yeah, build a Castellan out of it. He's like a Commissar sort character. You can build the regimental attache with the guys who do the Ordnance Battery, like calling airstrikes and shit. You can do some of that. Hell, you can even just make spare command squads into like veterans or or just Canadian squads that look a bit fancier and so on. I just... I think all the kits in here are phenomenal.
01:11:50
Speaker
but Yeah, like definitely. like them. Definitely. So... So definitely high A. You think it S tier? I think S tier. If someone wants to start guard tomorrow, I'd recommend this. If I want to start guard tomorrow, I'll take this. yeah If I wanted to, even as a modeling project, it's just a... The Cadian guard kit, itself this is a testament to the kit that's in there. It's so fun in terms of like, for right, if stuff you can do in things.
01:12:12
Speaker
So, as you can tell, I'm a little bit biased, because built it recently and enjoyed But I just think it's generally up there. Like, it's it's a modeling project. It's way more exciting than the Custodies. Yeah, because there's a variety of stuff in there, right?
01:12:25
Speaker
The Custodes are boring as fuck. Yeah. And I love the
Criticism of Chaos Demons Combat Patrol
01:12:27
Speaker
Custodes. so i love Yeah. rest here Okay. Speaking of boring as fuck, Mikey. Okay. Chaos Demons. And it's only corn. Yeah, why is it called corn? For those that don't know, there's four fucking gods and they gave us only corn. And I'm quite a softy for corn.
01:12:44
Speaker
Another red combat patrol. mean does quite one Yeah, right That's because they knew you were making a red spray Mikey. Well, yeah, it's a crushes 10 10 flesh sounds and 20 blood letters. So we've got 10 dogs.
01:12:57
Speaker
No one needs 10 dogs. 10 dogs is quite a lot You've got half of a blood crusher squad, but you can't get half a blood crusher squad anywhere else. Well, he's gonna be three's can't you?
01:13:08
Speaker
You can take them threes, absolutely. My point is, if you then get this box, you can't then fill that squad out and complete it without buying another combat patrol. It's similar to the intercessor thing I've given you only five intercessors. At least though there, people have random ones knocking around on eBay and shit, right? Like, who's got three random blood crushes on eBay? And if they bought this box and split it, I think this is pretty bad.
01:13:29
Speaker
All the units in it have their place and are like playable and stuff. yeah It's just such a bad intro to demons. I'm like 90% sure Blood Crusher's come in a box of three. Oh, they're only in boxes of six now.
01:13:39
Speaker
That's wild. They might have come in threes at one point. I think GW have moved away from that. They just stick three into an an unlabeled box and send it out to you on mail order. yeah Same for the AOS ones, by the way, as well. I bought those. They come in boxes of six.
01:13:52
Speaker
How weird. Kind of crazy. Yeah. Didn't know that. That's even weirder though because it's like two to one. you know it's like two blood letter kits, two flesh out kits, one blood crusher, half a blood crusher kit. That's weird.
01:14:03
Speaker
Yeah, it is a bizarre... Oh, and the blood blood letters are old. The dogs are old-ish. um Like, it's a lot old stuff, too. the The dogs are relatively new. The blood crushers are really old.
01:14:15
Speaker
the but the The dogs... When were the dogs? You can tell they're newer than the rest of it. Yeah, they're, like, recent memory, you know, like, last edition, they've done edition before, like, late eighth edition, maybe. Didn't they have a demon versus demon box? They did not come out...
01:14:28
Speaker
They did not come out in 9th. I can say that with absolute certainty. And they didn't come out in the back end of eighth because that's when I was around. So maybe mid-8th or not? Maybe, yeah. They're not they're not like like donkeys old. The newest thing in it is the dogs. The dogs are not exciting.
01:14:41
Speaker
On the upside, everything in this box everything in this box is aos playable Yeah, yeah, kinda, yeah. What do you mean kinda? You can run it as blades of corn, but you kind of want the mortal stuff in there as well.
01:14:56
Speaker
ah Yeah, because you can get more stuff. Demons are an AOS army, but then, like, Havre doesn't function without the other exclusive AOS stuff, which I don't think is designed by accident. Well, Yeah, you could obviously you could but you can still feel 2000 points of demons if you want to you could do it. Yeah, definitely
Comparison with Lord of the Rings Warband
01:15:12
Speaker
It's just where it's called copper patrol demons and it's just gone. That's so strange Yeah, but then again, how how do they mix it up? You know, like how would they do that?
01:15:20
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Put like four characters and four separate units in No, you have like corn demons and then you have like zeach demons. like do at least do two other gods. I don't fucking know. yeah Not this. yeah Okay. it's um The thing is with it is because they're just one god.
01:15:34
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the Demons like individually as their god are like very limited. As an army they're very like they fulfill each other's issues. This is just guys running and charging and 20 of them only move like 6 inches.
01:15:50
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ah tell I'm dying to a lot of them will just die. They'll run at you and die I think that common patrol in the modern way 40k plays would just be very difficult to actually play as well. as Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Okay.
01:16:02
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Yeah, probably so but did we I've just slammed on top of C. I've just slammed on top of C. Yeah, that's probably fine. Yeah, you think I think I better than that? I think now I don't I think that that's what I was thinking even worse but know think that's probably okay.
01:16:15
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I don't think that I don't think they're worse than 10 intercessors like it. No, definitely not. No, you're right. You're right. 20. Oh I've lost the page for it.
01:16:28
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This is um ah a random squad of men from ah um Lord of the Rings that when I searched combat patrol was white smack bang in the middle of all of them. Wait, what?
Challenges with Games Workshop Kits
01:16:38
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what like that like like yeah god war band but check out this right I don't see you okay?
01:16:48
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ah search comewar rages and lake town guard war band did i have up pat tro that in their see o attack These are pretty elite to be fair. 52 pound 50. That's half price compared to every other combat patrol.
01:17:05
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Yes. ah they They've all got swords. They... Yep. Some have got spears. Well, hang on. Let's bring it down. They're resin, which is unusual for combat patrol. That is very stressful.
01:17:18
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Four Lake Town Guard swordsmen armed with swords. you want to know a funny fact? You know, like they have resin and expert kits on the Games Workshop website now. Yep. Do you know they don't sell Supergirl anymore?
01:17:30
Speaker
Really? Yeah, they only sell... How the fuck are you meant to put it together if you're meant to stay inside the City Now ecosystem? You can't even go to Wilco's anymore because it's closed. ah You can't. They don't sell superlou. Blu-Tac.
01:17:40
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but you brought take all together Imagine if you had a World of Venet and one of your models just falls apart because it's all Blu-Tac together. Tough. Unlucky. think we're going to put Lake Town Guard.
01:17:52
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that's the I think I'm going to... No, I'm going to put them above the Korn Combat Patrol.
01:17:58
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but below Actually, Bob Blondage was two, actually. Yeah, low B. Because you win every game. If you're trying to get into Lake Town Guard, i think this is a good place to pick them up, right? Why do they show up? That's so weird.
01:18:13
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i don't even know what game system they're Lord of the Rings, isn't Is it? Isn't that the only other game that you wouldn't recognise? Well, I thought it might be Warhammer Fat Age Sigma.
01:18:24
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War cry. I'm joking. Right. Okay. Next up. It's lot of the rings.
01:18:30
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Okay. Oh okay ah oh God, I can't wait to hear the pound to points on this one. My camera is fucking done. I'm having the worst fucking day. This might even make it into the video.
01:18:44
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I'm just explaining everybody I'm having the worst fucking day. I'm having a terrible day.
01:18:51
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You're gonna work you bastard. Right, we're back. We're back. Welcome back everyone. Audio listeners. no when No, we weren't back. We're now back. Welcome back. Fucking hell. This will be the messiest, messiest edit as well. Sorry, those fans.
01:19:05
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No, it's not your fault. It's my fault. I should just be in bed. I don't know why I'm doing this to myself. I should just be in bed. I'm fucking feel like
Issues with Adeptus Mechanicus Combat Patrol
01:19:12
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shit. Okay. man But I do want to laugh at this. Adeptus Mechanicus. One Tech Priest, three Cerberus Solverhounds, five Teraxi Sterilizers, and ten Skatari Vanguard.
01:19:22
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This, if my math works out correctly, 255 points, are so funny.
01:19:29
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sorry my finds are so funny So if we get a calculator up 2000 divided by 255, you've to buy 7.8 combat patrols to get to a 2000 point army ignore the rule of three.
01:19:45
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Ah, that's amazing. If people didn't know, basically, this edition, they made some very weird changes to... Like, GSC have always been horde, right? AdMix got way more horde and got hordier as time went on because it just kept decreasing the points because they don't know what to do with their rules.
01:20:00
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Sister Battle had a similar thing. Sister Battle have good rules, but they kept reducing the points on their units. We might see that change with the the new boards. Yeah, some of the freak fixes were drop the points, you know? but Yeah, yeah. Because they're of changing the rules. These were armies that historically weren't that elite.
01:20:15
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ah So weren't that hordy and were more kind of somewhere in the middle of the hording elite? Yeah. And then people like me with my sister's armies, they dropped a lot points. Like, i need to build more battle sisters and more random shit to get my points back up because i don don't own enough things that I want to fill the tabletop.
01:20:29
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um I think as far as, like, units go, the fact that got the horsey men and the flying men who are, like, new kits in 9th, think that's quite neat. Yeah. And it comes with some vanguards who can be made into rangers, is that right? think so, yeah. Yeah. So evil option on the troop choice.
01:20:44
Speaker
And then they've got my favorite character that the the whole range has, which is the, uh, the chubby man with his fingers to his nose. So don't hate the model selection. Yeah. yeah yeah i don't know where to put this. Cause I like the model selection, but my God, is it a bad start for the army?
01:21:00
Speaker
Yeah, but I think that's just inherently bad for Adeptive Mechanicus as an army as a whole rather than the starter box itself. Because I think the starter box has like a nice range of units. you know oh Got like the horses and the sterilizers. They're very cool.
01:21:13
Speaker
You're going to need the range of Vanguard kit anyway. ah It's just so, so expensive to get into this army. As you say, every other
Necrons Combat Patrol for Beginners
01:21:22
Speaker
faction has been like... touching 500 points if not more if it's like an extreme one like custodians this was 240 points did you say 250 points 255 255 it's just i think that's just inherently because the army's really bad right now i think as a box as a collection of kits it's decent Yeah, I mean, this box probably was 560 points at the end of... not Once upon a time, yeah.
01:21:47
Speaker
Yeah, which is pretty crazy. um Yeah, and you do want to probably buy two of these, maybe even three. The units in it are fine. I'll put it on top of I don't want to punish it too hard because the army is fucked on points right now. If you had the money to start AdMec, you probably would buy this box.
01:22:05
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Yeah, but you but you are literally living in Puerto Rico or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, so from one lot of toasters to the next, Necorons. Necoronis.
01:22:19
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necarni So we get part of the Indomitus box. So we get an Overlord with a Tachyon Arrow, which is just the Overlord now. yeah could update i'm sorry So the Overlord, the Skorbeck Destroyers, 10 Warriors and 3 Scarab Swarms, all from the Indomitus Spruce. And then they give us a Canoptic Doomstalker on top of that.
01:22:35
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um I fucking love the Doomstalker model. I think it's got cool walls, got a cool gun, it's got a cool model. I bought 3 the day it came out. but just case yeah yeah i've got two and i bought a third kid i haven't built with it because i think they're fucking cool i love the walkery stuff i also i'm a big um warrior supremacist in the sense that i'm sick of hearing about how good immortals are there's um shout out some people on my discord metachemist was building this 500 point um um list to start in our escalation league that we're going to be starting in a couple of weeks or in a week uh and he took some warriors like yeah that's pretty neat warriors and some overlord that's great
01:23:08
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And then ah Shimmer, who's one of our sweaty Necron players, comes in like, no, no, you must have Immortals. This enhancement and use this stratagem. And I was just like, well, there goes the nice fluffy Escalation League. yeah now Even so even if you want to be like that, Immortals are great, but Warriors still have place.
01:23:27
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both yeah gather but i i think you need like blocks of 20 which weird i weirdly this is the only comic patrol where we would have excused them doing a block of 20. yeah 20 warriors would have made sense here yeah definitely but because again it feels like half a kit yeah um i think it's a good starting place for necron army like points i think the necrons it feels very small you know it's 450 points true but it's also if my math is correct and fuck knows if it is it's one of the worst value propositions are yeah that's probably what i'm thinking it just doesn't feel like there's like because like there's four units but two of them come in the same kit the warriors and the scarabs yeah scarabs as the same kit uh the overlord and the scorepex i think it's because it's all snap fit as well right the scorepex is snap fit yeah the warriors is snap fit um the doom stalker is very very snap fit-esque
01:24:20
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yeah yeah well it is left there's there's no alterations on that everything on the spree gets used there's no alternatives yeah i actually think this might be a good point for being a good starting position for a new player like everything just slots together i hate this and i think kits should have um variety to them and choices yeah but i think a big fan of the cadian guard kit we just talked about the old boys kit i definitely think we're in an age of just like kit bashing these weapon swapping these days rather than like as it used to be but that That's the wild thing though, right? We're gonna come to have the Orc one a minute, which I don't like either for this reason. Orc, new Orcs, boys and the Orc Beast Snaggers are the same, new Warriors are the same. Well, i' actually, there's actually spares on the kit for the Warriors, weirdly. there might be spare heads or some shit. But anyway, yeah all of these things just go together in one way and that's it.
01:25:02
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Then they release the Guardsprue, and the Guardsprue has multiple heads, multiple arms, different productions. have a bit of feel day with it. Yeah, and then this then then the upgrade spru for them is the best upgrade spru they've ever done. whereas' just like you ever It's not quite this, but you have a guy taking a shit smoking a cigarette. like it Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:25:17
Speaker
Anyway, where are we sticking this on the tier list? So, as a beginner, it's great. You probably would... I think it's fantastic as a beginner. I think two of these, a thousand point armor, with two Doomstalkers, 20 Warriors, six Skullpex. That's a really good place to start. Yeah, that's good. I'd definitely say tier.
01:25:36
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yeah Yeah, yeah and i think so too. again, it's it feels because it's there's not much option in there. the Literally, of the options you have is what guns the Warriors have. And they show a mixed match of guns in the image, which really bugs me.
01:25:49
Speaker
but Oh yeah, because so in the Combat Patrol rules, they've got mixed weapon options for some reason. What the fuck? Goddammit, GW. Return calls, GW. turn my calls of t w Right, Orcs Combat Patrol. It's a beast boss.
01:26:03
Speaker
It is... is it 10 or 20? 20 Beast Snagger boys and then one squad now of Squeakog boys, which is a three with the the knob attached to them now as part of the new rules. Again, another new one.
01:26:13
Speaker
Another new one. This is relatively Yeah, these are all new kits. This is actually not the Beast Snagger box Because the Beast Snagga box was 20 Beast Snaggers, those quick hogs, no Beast Boss, and it had um Mosrog instead.
01:26:26
Speaker
Zogrod. Not Mosrog, sorry. Wart Snagga, who I play competitively. I fucking love that, man. Correcting on Orcs, it's over for you, mate. You're so ill. Wow. Honestly, I get the first names wrong all the time. Mosrog is like a big man and Watsugger is This is a good one. Again, if you think back, if you've been playing Warhammer for a bit, the old Combat Patrol had the new Mega Armor Warboss and then boys that you didn't have options with. It built like four of one and of the other.
01:26:53
Speaker
So I think this is a really, really cool box. It's got like quite quite a nice, it's very thematic. It's all Beast Snagger. It's Combat Patrol Beast Snagger boys. Yeah, that's that's my one issue is that i kind of wish there was two walkboxes.
01:27:06
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Yeah, because it because ah the playstyle, even though they all work together, is very different, right? Yeah. These are very... These are snakebites. Yeah, this is snakebites, essentially, now rebranded to be Snaggers.
01:27:17
Speaker
But you buy this, and you actually can't play one of the sub-factions in the book. You can't play Greentide with this box. no Which is really interesting, because Greentide only allows you to play boys. So ah my my one complaint is that I generally believe there should be maybe two boxes.
01:27:30
Speaker
This one, or maybe the other one, could be one squad of ten boys, put a Death Dread in there, or or Killer Cans, or whatever, and like a character something. But again, that's like what the old one was, right? well Because it was like a Mega Boss and boys, and then a Death Dread?
01:27:42
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. Wasn't there a box with copters in it after the copters got released? ah Maybe. Maybe. but no i think that I think that might be the same box. because because i we played ah We actually filmed a Comic Patrol that never got released, but it was like we I paid up the Deathcopters. Tom's paid up the Deathcopters. I did the Death Dread.
01:28:00
Speaker
Then we had the Mega Box and stuff. Yeah, it was. That's it. Yeah, because this is completely different. Again, we are wearing dinosaur vibe. But I think, again, that's a problem with the orc range of like, you've got these very distinct orcs and very distinct beast snaggers, which are represented by, well, were probably snakebites a long time ago, but then got reinvented to beast snaggers. They got these like really weird juxtaposed armies next to each other, even though they're orcs.
01:28:27
Speaker
I don't know you know this, the beast snagger kits come with snakebite iconography on them. Oh, really? what I think it's Mosrog's Mosrog's banner is the snakebite logo. um And then you get a bit for one of the kill rigs as well, which just like a snakebite.
01:28:40
Speaker
Yeah, because I think this was a snake bite, when they brought them out, was a snake bite upgrade, and then they just went, what everyone bites it instead? Yeah, but but that was so so that's why it happened. So they are snake bites, or heavily attached to snake bites, but they were like, in the modern 40k now, where everyone kind of gets access to everything, is kind of the idea in some factions. For people who are like, they can't do two alt boxes, get fucked. There's four marine boxes.
01:29:03
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um but They they they've been should a new orc boy kit and kept the old one in circulation and put yeah one is So funny combat patrol.
01:29:14
Speaker
No, I'm pretty sure the box of it. Hang if here. Can we are both boys on here? because it was no the combat patrol no i'm pretty sure there's a box of it hang on if i go on here can we can we ah both boys on here Because that's the thing, because you used to have the boys kit, which is the original one from like 20 years ago, and they re-updated it, and it was only in Combat Patrol, and it was snap fit, start, set, build, you build it as it comes together, because it's like four with choppers, three with like six with sluggers or whatever.
01:29:44
Speaker
i don't think you can buy it anymore. It's a very cool kit, because the boss in there was cool. The knob, sorry, not the boss. the The website is losing its fucking mind. Yeah, the knob in there is really cool. but if you good buy um The is shitting itself. or my shiing itself I think you're right though. I thought there was a box of them, but I think you're right. I think you can't get them outside of the old... That's interesting. the doesn't That's another point for the Orc Combat Patrol, then if we get back to it, is that there is you can't even get hold of the old models from the old one. but The Def Cop is on their own now. and then They got released, right? ah you can You can buy this. It's out of stock.
01:30:17
Speaker
How weird. They're just called boys, and the other one's called boys. Oh no, it was called Ork Boys. Ork Boys are customisable, the other one's Pushfit. The new one's £6 more expensive.
01:30:30
Speaker
If you bought multiples of these, it doesn't really form your army. It does if you play the the the hunt. because Because we should specify, because all the boys' argument is not in this box, it's the old box, right? Beast Snaggers are multi-kit, are they? i' I've never built them, I'm relying on you.
01:30:43
Speaker
Beast Snaggers? No, Beast Snaggers just build Beast Snaggers, that's it. No, that's what I mean. they Are they multi-part? Do you have options in there? Or is it just like everyone... I think the sergeant might have a so power snapper or... No. Because you can see there's a guy with a cannon twice. But again, this is Photoshop, you know what They Photoshop loads of things.
01:31:02
Speaker
I think every 10 every time they get a blast gun i think yeah and that but can have a blast on I think they can I think you can choose not to give the blast I don't have it then built don't think this one's a bit weird because you get again you get 20 B snaggers you probably don't want 20 like those quick hog boys are cool the war boss in my opinion is the best war boss model they do for 40k yeah yeah from from walls to the way he looks he's fucking awesome because you yeah you can get away with using it's even right let's be honest You can use this as a mega boss.
01:31:29
Speaker
ah ah War bossing mega armor. He's got a skull armor. don't know. For someone who let me use similar so you won't let me use your events, you're like, yeah, that's ah that's a fucking war bossing mega armor. No. He's got a skull. That's mega.
01:31:44
Speaker
me and The skull on his shoulder is mega i Look I am too thirsty and too ill for this shit Mikey What are you what you doing to me I um i think that it's decent It's not amazing again you just get to where Where have I put it I've put it above um The free men of Tolkien It's way better this The reason don't want to put it above any of these that I don't ever think I'd recommend buying multiples of these. No, you only want one.
01:32:13
Speaker
So I think it should be better. Yeah. Okay. Fair. Get down there. Okay. Next up. We're racing towards the home stretch chat.
01:32:24
Speaker
I know. And, and for, for reference for theater, the mind bros at home, uh, everything's pretty much in B tier. Most of it's in B tier. Yeah. Fuck off, there's like seven things in S&A. That's way more than I thought we'd get there. Sisters of Battle!
01:32:40
Speaker
The Adeptus Sororitas! Nuns with guns! One Calan S, five Celestian Sacrifice, ten Battle Sisters, ten Arco Flagellants, and two Transfer Sheets. Ooh-woo. Ooh-woo, indeed.
01:32:51
Speaker
This is going to set you back, if you bought it all separately, £143. bang in the middle of what we expect. the show And because of the Horde thing at the moment, prior to the new points changes, because the new book has come out as we're making this video, um this is 300 points or something. It's insane. 370. Okay.
01:33:09
Speaker
so Our Arcan Flegilants were really good for a while. They're probably still going fine in the new attachments. They're crazy. They're a pencher. Um... uh sacrosancts i love sacrosancts as a model again that the sacrosancts are very iconic i think even though they're relatively new they're a brand new last edition the sacrosanct model yeah i like seeing the new kits even though the beast like a one is entirely new yeah um the canon s in here is that the multi-part canon s i'm not sure think so well i don't i haven't built that one and all of mine are non-mod no how i
01:33:41
Speaker
It's in a box somewhere. Fuck. I don't know. Yeah, it is multi-cut part because you get like chainsaw, power sword, a different power sword, a bolt pistol or the crossbow which he's got. See, that's what I want in my kits. I want to have more kits. Yeah, you want to have options. And then 10 Battle Sisters, the kit's actually pretty good. you lot options and lot spares and shit as well. Is this the starter set, snap fit one though? Because I recognize that multi-melter. I think it's a snap fit. Wow, it's a flamer in the image, mate.
01:34:07
Speaker
Is that flamer? It's a flamer. Oh, okay. Yeah. it's not space room I'm not interested. No, that that image there they're showing is the Battlesister multi-part kit.
01:34:18
Speaker
Okay. That's cool then. That's because that's, that Canon S is the one that you can, not Canon S, sorry, that Sister Superior has like power chainsaws. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can look at the sprues as well. It shows you they are the multi-part yeah and also the reason just to do some real fucking loser knowledge that we have uh the one from the start from the old set had one girl stood in a rock with some smoke coming from it or something oh yeah well yeah i remember that's yeah missing frame like six of those yeah i own none of those i should get one sometime okay So, it's a pretty solid starter kit.
01:34:51
Speaker
I don't know if you'll ever want... Well, currently you probably do want 20 Archive Fragments you buy two of them. Two would that's going to be the case forever. Yeah, two's decent. If you bought two bucks, you get 20 sisters. That's four units to five. That's cool.
01:35:04
Speaker
You get ten... No, no. Hold up, hold up. Is that spoiler for the new Codex? I don't know. um Can you not take them five? Because currently you can't take them in tens. That's but one of the big changes that fucked sisters.
01:35:15
Speaker
As you can see, I've read this book loads. It's still sealed. um i Let's assume they only come in tens for now. Okay. and i That's just me not knowing the sisters very well. I may or may not have looked at the new sisters codex. I won't confirm or deny. It's not a full league, right?
01:35:32
Speaker
It's on pre-order. Mate this video won't be out till next week. It's on pre-order, it's fine. But yeah, but okay, so you can do two to use of ten decent then. um No, no, it's one it's one unit of ten scissors and one squad of ten Arcos, which can be as small as threes, right? No, what I was saying was if you be bought two, right?
01:35:49
Speaker
its Oh, sure, sure. you bought multiple boxes, that's decent. I guess what would have liked to have seen Yeah, I did use of ten, I'm just dumb. Okay, so you got me excited, Mikey. I love my old squad. MSU Sisters was so good. If you get six fives, it's so good for spreading. Maybe that's why. I don't play Sisters very much.
01:36:06
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I haven't played them this edition because i didn't let the index rules, but I'm excited for the Codex. um I would love to see like five Arcos and then some Repenture or something else that when you you get like a variety of kits that when you buy multiples, you you can then go up those four squads.
01:36:20
Speaker
Buying two of these and ending with 20 Arcos is kind of boring, if not playable in the current edition. um But this is a great starting point for a new player. I would absolutely recommend it. Yeah, definitely.
01:36:31
Speaker
You're melee prisoner men. You've got a good, solid infantry squad. got the Karaness, which is always going useful when Sacrosancts are great as well. there's There's variety in terms of the kits, what you can build. You can attach the Karaness different units because you can go on the Sacrosancts, all the sisters.
01:36:43
Speaker
Yeah. um I think the problem with this is it's just they're all very... Because ah it's a low points and there's not much variety. It's just small bodies, you know. I think it would be nice if there's a vehicle in here, even an engine, you know, like one of the mortifiers or whatever they're called. Yeah, that's what would have preferred to say. Maybe three Arcos and an engine would have been pretty sweet as opposed to ten Arcos. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
01:37:05
Speaker
Okay, so it's not perfect. think that's why it's lacking because it's infantry only and sisters are notorious for just dying. I want to put it top of A. I think it's better than the CSM one.
01:37:15
Speaker
ah like I'm gonna move Necrons above Black Templars now and we're gonna start joking shit around. You're just fucking... Nah, I don't think that's right, but it's your tier list. What?! I mean Black Templars one's better than Necron one. one And I don't think the sisters one as good as you're saying it is.
01:37:31
Speaker
But I think... But again, that's just because I'm like, there's not much variety in there. It's just... But you want all of those things. It's only the Arcos. Yeah, it's only the Arcos that are letting it down.
01:37:44
Speaker
Yeah. i think it's ah I think it's born on S tier. If five of those arcas was opposed How many sisters would you run if you need to attend though? Because I thought you could take them in fives. this was ah ah I think I want to run two or three or maybe even four because each one generates your milk or dice on objectives too.
01:37:59
Speaker
Yeah, true. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, put it in 80. That's fine. I missed last dish where you can take them blocks of 20. I never did it, but I wish that option was there. Yeah, yeah, that'd be fun. That'd be fun. so Yeah, it's decent. I wish there was more variety, you know.
01:38:14
Speaker
All right, fine. I'll drop it below CSM, but it's not going below Neckron's. Because I think Chaos Space Readers and Infantry and the Army make sense. But sisters, it doesn't.
01:38:24
Speaker
I wish it did. i used to play infantry only. um Next up, we've got... Oh, no. i thought we thought were out of the woods. I told you there one more. It's wolf time, baby.
01:38:36
Speaker
Space wolves with not a single fucking wolf thing in them. You've got a primrose lieutenant. You've got the primrose lieutenant, which is a space wolf kit. Because it's not a normal one. That's a Space Wolf. Holy fuck, didn't know that existed. Yeah, so there's three there three Left Tenants.
01:38:51
Speaker
Dark Angel. That is hugely, hugely improved. ah but I'm not joking. I was like D tier. That might have pushed it out of tier. Okay, anyway. Space Wolves Tenant. Invicta Tactical Warsuit, which I fucking love that model. Ten Incessors.
01:39:04
Speaker
Five Primaris Reavers, which can be made into fucking Hounds of Mokai, which means you just stick some Space Wolf shit on them. Two Space Wolf Primaris upgrades kits, which means... This box is 455 points or £172 of value. per Wow. the At the third best value for money box.
01:39:21
Speaker
yeah i I love the Invicto. like the fact that The Lieutenant. There's a Blood Angel one, a Dark Angel one and Space Wolf one. They are named on the box but they don't have rules. They are just Lieutenants.
01:39:34
Speaker
Which is funny. Right, it can't get out sea because and it's in 10 intercessor territory because it's 10 intercessors. Five Reavers which have been terrible ever since they arrived but they are very sick. They look cool. So yeah re the Reavers look great and they're also overdue. They're overdue getting good rules. Mark my words, right now I'm calling it edition Reavers are going to be insane. The prophecy is Reavers are going to be good. Okay, so they've got unique character look at least and they can be the Fangs and Mochai. So they're actually kind of better than the Blood Angel 1 in terms of actually having unique units. Because technically there's two Space War units in here.
01:40:11
Speaker
Yeah. But I'm not joking. I'm still tempted to put us at the top of D. Yeah, it's like, again, it's 10 intercessors. If you will argue that the Reavers aren't Space Wolf units, which you could say, because Hounds of Mork, I just... but I don't even know the difference, but they're just... They have some... Last edition, only then, they had Anti-Psych Attack.
01:40:32
Speaker
Fuck knows what they have now. And I'm not going look it up, because this video is too long as it is. You can look it up when I move on to the next one. ah They don't do anything I don't think. They must have a funeral pain. They scout, which the Reavers do already. In your shooting phase, you set one of unit within 12 inches.
01:40:49
Speaker
If a Lieutenant Reaver arm is in this unit, he's let one within 18. You don't have one in this box. ah That unit must take a battleshot test, subtracting one, if it is a Psyche unit.
01:40:59
Speaker
If it's failed in addition to being bow shot that is stunned while you is stunned ah Each time on that unit makes a psychic attack. So track one from the hit roll There's so many little stipulations in that there's so many Terrible unit. I hate space wolves cuz thousand sons are my boys fuck with it That's all DTF DTF dtf dt D for dog.
01:41:27
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. D for dog. Shit. Okay. Commander Enforcer Battlesuit. Devilfish. 10 Breachers. 10 Pathfinders. 7 Drones is one of the things they point out for some reason. Hell yeah. And then some Deckard Sheets.
01:41:39
Speaker
This is decent. This came to... 365 points and cost you £142 to separately.
01:41:48
Speaker
Okay. ah So like average price cost. this is This is a decent box because you kind of want everything in here and you could buy multiple. yeah You probably don't want multiple commanders. That's about it. All the infantry are good.
01:42:00
Speaker
Oh, is that because you want Farsight plus a commander or something? No, because you usually want like Shadow Sun, right? Oh, Shadow Sun, sorry, not Farsight. So like you want multiple transports. Again, it's got a nice variety here. You've got infantry, you've got a cool commander, and you've got transport here. To be fair, playing two commanders isn't as bad as like having two random captains or something, No, for sure. As far as characters go in combat patrols, yeah this might be one of the better ones to have multiples of, and you won't feel that bad about having them.
01:42:26
Speaker
Yeah, the infantry are nice to have. if you plus if you Like imagine getting... Mikey, we haven't we haven't got onto to this yet, right? But imagine getting buying three combat patrols are one of the Marine ones, getting 30 intercessors and three lieutenants. Oh, God, no, please. Imagine that's your army. How bad would you feel if a like a new player showed up and they had 30 intercessors and three lieutenants? If it was like 8th edition, I would laugh because I took 50 to la Vegas and I did great with them. But now, no, never.
01:42:49
Speaker
it's It's almost like um you've been scammed. Yeah jamess workshore official scott fuck it ah no This is this is a decent box. I like it and Yeah, again, you got like a nice variety all the units are God the roll the devil fishes the oldest one in here, but it stands up as a vehicle and So yeah, I like this box.
01:43:10
Speaker
I would say 80 and it's iconic as well. i think yeah Yeah, it's great. Three I'd like to it right You know is it it's not as good as the CSM one? a that's said the iss Are we loaded the CSM too high now? Did we put them at the early A and now we're just like yeah it's 80.
01:43:27
Speaker
Like comparatively. I think the CSM box is great. I would happily buy that build that and paint that even play all those units. Yeah. All those units are playable. They're often always playable. so just The Legionnaires maybe not but. Yeah just below Space Marine then.
01:43:41
Speaker
Yeah. Bob Sisters. i think this is better than Sisters because there's variety.
01:43:48
Speaker
One, two, three. There's four kits and there's four kits in the Sisters one. What the fuck you talking about? No, variety of units. It's not just infantry. You've got like the vehicle and the cool commander. Oh, sure, sure. not like That's a widespread. you know like The Sisters one, even though it's SD, there's no varieties. It's crap.
01:44:03
Speaker
On the top of your vehicles, by the way, the sister one's got a problem in that they've removed the Rhino that was in the old one. The old one was like Rhino, Repenture, Zephyrim, Arco. Yeah, the old was way better. Why do we put A tier? Put in the F. F tier. No, fuck off. No. Yeah, fuck off tier.
01:44:18
Speaker
Right. Right, Comma Patrol, Thousand Zuns T-Sun, baby Another named character, let's go No, he's not named, he's not named Oh, i'm thinking of the old one again, sorry You used to have Iron Man in here I used have Iron Man, yes, have Iron Man This is the Infernal Master, who's pretty fucking good He's cool And also, is arguably the best model they've got Other than Magnus and the Mutant of Beast In terms actually looking good are Five Scarab Cop Terminators Nice They're fun and they're cool, but they look like shit And 20 Zangors, which also look like shit um
01:44:51
Speaker
and as it thousandson player So his's his's my yeah but the yeah there were um a s player um so all this stuff is playable all of it is reasonably strong that's fine and as a but as a so there's a few problems right firstly I'm a thousand sons player inverted commas who's never got round to actually finishing his army because he hates all of the kits Rubik's look like shit, Scarab's look like shit, Zango's look like shit. Scarab's a call, Rubik's a call. No, they they all look like shit. I'm sorry, they've got they've got some really dated like design language to them. They look bad. ah Part of be's wonder whether i should just build a Horace heresy army and use it in because then at least that they don't look so fucking bad.
01:45:29
Speaker
Anyway, Zango's, 20 of them is overkill. They are playable right now. you to character them You can teleport them in, they put you in jail, sure. Imagine buying two of these and getting 40 fucking Zangors. Yeah, fuck that. If it was 10 Zangors and 5 Rubits, this be a mint box.
01:45:45
Speaker
Yeah, it'd be a pretty solid box. I'm still... I'm a little bit soft lib dick on all the models, but I could get behind that. But, like, 20 Zangors is so fucking... Yeah, you'll never need that many. You'll need 20 tops, that's it. you know like If you buy two of these, you're just going to have 20 Zangors and Spru in your cupboard like I do. Forever more. Ha ha ha!
01:46:04
Speaker
also a chance as well that their rules get so bad next edition that they're not even playable either. You've got 20 you've built and paid can't play with. I don't know. This box does not really leave. like the Terminators. The Master of Possessions cool. Not Master of Possessions. The Master Possessions. Master Possessions, the Fenomaster. Sorry. He can't attach to of these units, which is also problem. Yeah, which is why I'm like, five Rubik's would be nice instead of ten of the Zangor. I agree. I agree. I think my problem is with the range more so than the patrol itself, but that has to factor in a little bit.
01:46:31
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, because I think a lot of these combat patrols we keep saying are bad But we are ultimately we talking about the army as a whole. It's just bad like ad admit for example I just wait to explain. We put a make a high B. We even we overlooked all those problems thats say so over like Overlook the the way the models look They look like shit and it's not i I don't think if a new player said to me I want to start collecting thousand suns right? yeah real I love Magnus and Aroman I'm like don't you play 20s angles? It's just like an awful awful value position of time spent.
01:47:01
Speaker
I do think it's better than 10 intercessors though. I think it's better than the Dark Angel one. Absolutely but I think it's only marginally better than 20 blood letters and fucking docs. Is it worse than the Blood Angel one?
01:47:13
Speaker
um No, because again, the Blood Angel one, you got is like it's got you can buy it for any but any faction you're playing. It's a light nice bit of variety. This is, again, kind of like the Pogswalker one, just throwing too much of the same thing in there.
01:47:26
Speaker
just kind It's better than the Pogswalker one as well, because no one wants 60 Pogswalkers. No, Pogswalker's bad. but it's not as good as the actual playable good new sculpt. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Cool.
01:47:36
Speaker
See, that's one of the other problems. I'm going to complain about it again. This video is already going too long, so fuck it. Let's... ah you In a for a penny! In for a pound! They can't even... Pardon? editor vince h you Well, most of this will just be smooth and going, hopefully. just that... what My fucking error earlier, when my camera died.
01:47:54
Speaker
Um... Like, the the Thousand Suns need a fucking update. And give them a new unit. Like, they've had one fucking character over two editions. It's actually insane. Yeah, those custodies and Death Guard. Are they the most neglected model?
01:48:08
Speaker
Those and Death Guard have had just like characters and nothing, you know mean? They just have like no interesting games. But but at least at least custodies have had fucking... um They got a character to this last edition. They got nothing this edition.
01:48:19
Speaker
Is that right? Another character. Oh, no, they got a new shield captain. But it's not even new. It's just a shield captain. And the edition before, at least they got like a named character out a fucking Black Library book. yeah that was the sun's nothing they in front of master in ninth and that was it and then i started in eighth and i assume i think arrow man might have showed up in eighth on this no you knew now they all came out at the same time Call, so end of 7th.
01:48:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Okay, so they got nothing in 8th! Oh, fucks me off. One day I'll finish my Thousand Sons Army, but today's not that day. Okay, Commonwealth Total Tyranids, it's the half of the Leviathan box.
01:48:54
Speaker
You're going to get yourself a fuckload of stuff. One Wing Tyranid Prime, Tyranid Prime, Psychophage, three Von Ryans, Leapers, five Barbagons, 20 Termagons, Armour Flesh Borers, so I think they're like mono-pose.
01:49:05
Speaker
Yeah, that's the snap fit kit. It's not the modern kit with all the options. And two ripper swarms as well on that screw. Which also come in the same screw. 410 £178.50 of value. It's the most value of any of the combat patrols outside of perhaps the Marine half of Leviathan.
01:49:23
Speaker
Interesting. I find it unexciting because I thought Leviathan sucked. I own all of this stuff and I've only built... Oh no, it's not even the whole Leviathan half. No, it's missing the Nura Tyrant.
01:49:35
Speaker
The Scrimmage Taylor. retirement And the Nura gods. It's missing the two models that I built and painted because i thought they were good. Yeah. there's a Screamer killer in here, it'd be crazy. be such a good box. You'd be like, oh my God, there's so much in here.
01:49:48
Speaker
It's lot piddly shit. Yeah. The thing is with it is I think people get de desensitized to like launch box stuff after a while. And I think the turners have been out for a year now and I'm very much desensitized to all of these kits now. They're just like, whatever.
01:50:04
Speaker
because you everyone's got them, everyone's got three of them. So this is probably a bad combat patrol to buy because you can probably get for about half price on eBay. I was about to say something we haven't covered, but some of these are even worse because of their ability to get the stuff on eBay, like Bladeguard, Intercessors, yeah stuff that came with Indomitus and similar.
01:50:23
Speaker
Yeah, um because a lot of these units this a lot of these units as well, you'd probably use the Gaunts, you might not use the Barb Gaunts. The Von Ryan Leapers are very cool. They're good in multiple types of detachments, especially the sneaky one.
01:50:37
Speaker
uh psychophage is like a cheap interesting choice it's kind like a back line like what you use a venom crawler for right it doesn't do much but it holds an objective well so it's it's okay it's okay but i feel like they've taken all the best fates out of the leviathan box and give you the rest of it i'm i'm sticking it i was thinking it in i might i might actually go really wild and stick a bottom of sea but simply because because you don't want to buy this for 100 quid because you can probably get on ebay for less yeah so i think it's probably one of the whilst it's set you say it's 180 pounds in value it's actually not because it's not yeah exactly it's literally the most kids have made profit on already yeah but it's the most um it's lying to us basically someone you know has this in a box i have them there in the box yeah pe and you'll be able to get it for pennies on the pound definitely and I also will stand by it and John Pertuss was a way better start kit than Leviathan. We'll come to the final combat patrol as well. Yeah. Leagues of Botan, 10 little small firstborn Marines.
01:51:37
Speaker
um One named character who can also be built as the non-named version. Yeah. Five Chthonian Berserkers, which only today did I realize they Chthonian in their name. So did they learn to berserk?
01:51:48
Speaker
But did they learn to berserk on the home world of the Lunar Wolves? Maybe. um I guess so I don't know but the chthonian chthonia is the place that the fucking lunar walls grew up in it's Well, you know games like a retcons, right?
01:52:04
Speaker
ah They love a retcon I didn't know was woke <unk> is Pioneers and a transfer sheet Three bikes, ten men, choppy men with a mole launcher robot thing.
01:52:18
Speaker
ah double fist. Or hammer. Well, there's double fist men down here as well. Yeah, the berserks can be built, have lots of options. They have plasma axes. This is half the range.
01:52:30
Speaker
Yeah, this is a great box because it's half the range. It's probably, what, 300 points?
01:52:37
Speaker
370. Yeah. Also, to buy all individually, £145.50. So it's actually skewing slightly over the average range. Slightly over. Yeah. This is a decent box because if you play Votan, you want all of these kits.
01:52:49
Speaker
Yeah. I find all the kits kind of boring except for the Chthonians myself. But if was going to build Votan tomorrow, I'd still build and paint these because they're useful. Yeah. I think it's up here with like the Admech and the Eldar ones, I think. I think maybe tier is like a... If you're going to collect Votan, you would buy three of these.
01:53:07
Speaker
Okay. And then you probably wouldn't reuse... Or even four of them. Yeah, maybe. you probably won You probably want, like, two of the characters, maybe. ah There's a bit of variety, as i said, because you've got, like, the bikes, which are very fast. You've got the really horrible hammy unit, which is very cool.
01:53:21
Speaker
The character's really cool as well. And then you've got the the the stoic infantry, which you'll always need. um you probably don't want like i mean most lists right now are really like one unit of um the basic guys the warriors yeah but um but i think this is like an overall really nice box it's very similar to the original star box that came out and again because the photo range is so small this is everything but like the sagittals and the land fortress you want so i think this is like and the new thing as well the snipery men right Yeah, so i think it's like 80 in this one you get like you get loads of options. Where did I put it? Where did i put it in Benadryl haze?
01:53:57
Speaker
Just below Templars is that? Yeah, that's above ten blas above Templars. Below Necrons I think I think on 80 I think you could put any of those kits anywhere and you're happy with the placement I don't think either them. thought was assistance.
01:54:13
Speaker
Oh, well you're just biased I stand for shot of World Eaters with a Lord Infocardus slash Juggernaut Man. Yeah. 10 jackals, 20 corn berserkers and transfer sheets.
01:54:25
Speaker
Something I learned in pricing this fucker up. but This is £161.50 of value, way. Wow. So it's actually a really good one that doesn't have an upgrade sprue and isn't half of Leviathan. It's also 525 points. Okay. Although... of the best value for points.
01:54:40
Speaker
but Because of the 20 Berserker thing, you're not wanting to buy multiples of these. Unfortunately, it's the thing they do to all the Chaos units. There's 20 or 30 of like a random fucking thing in there. Yeah. um But Lord and Juggernaut is a £40 kit.
01:54:52
Speaker
Wow. That's expensive. That's always expensive in the Lake Town Guard Warband.
01:54:59
Speaker
10 pounds cheaper 42 pound 50 which is so expensive for a man on a horse honestly expensive i like how they have like they have the measurement of it they have a silhouette of a space marine next to the juggernaut which i've never seen before he's like look guys this is a really big cat okay it's definitely 42 pound 50. for context obviously all characters are expensive at 23 pounds 22 20 pounds for of the elder right up to 26 for some of the marine shit right but like knob on smasher squig which is the same size comes in the squig box Yeah, and that's like, what, a £45 kit?
01:55:31
Speaker
It's the same price. Okay. He's a baby one. He's smaller, but you get three dudes with him and a baby squig rider. That's insane. He's expensive. an insane price for a character.
01:55:44
Speaker
Sadly though, Vince, even though he's very expensive and he almost makes up the value of half of this box, ah you want one because he can build Lordy McCartas as well, which is also a very cool kit. A Giganot that flies. What?
01:55:57
Speaker
Because he's so mad. Hang on a minute. I think the resin AOS one is cheaper.
01:56:04
Speaker
authorities he's so Is he resin? Probably. Yeah. Get yourselves a resin. I don't know why you want resin, because GW resin is annoying. but All those spikes will fall off.
01:56:18
Speaker
I'm going to get this guy eventually, because I think his pose is just so fucking good. He's on the wrong base, isn't he?
01:56:26
Speaker
Is it a round based on or is it an oval? No, no, he's on an oval. Okay. It'd be weird if he was on... Oh, yeah, no, he's got to be on an right? Yeah, he's on an oval. He used to be on round juggernaut, you see. But, like, look how fucking cool that guy is compared to... That court that that ah Lord of Korn on juggernaut AOS model for audio listeners, I got you. It's very cool.
01:56:48
Speaker
I said the Resident AOS one! I know, but it's funny. Okay. I'm building my following from your following. ah Purely audio listeners. ah Fucking hell. You want to get a following everywhere, mate. No one listens. Everyone's turned off by now. um I think that's an insane price and it really fucking annoys me. yeah But... But you probably as a world that you play, you want one.
01:57:09
Speaker
You want more than Picard's because it's very sick. Part of it bugs me that this box set is like this because I bought, when I bought into World Eats, I bought Angron, Berserkers and Jackals.
01:57:20
Speaker
And then this got shown and was like, well, I'm not buying that, i am I? Because I've already got Jackals. Yeah. Like yeah three squads of five Korn Berserkers now. The difference with this one and the other Chaos Factions, Death Guard of the Thousand Suns, is they've crammed this one full of the cool kit rather than like cultists.
01:57:38
Speaker
Yeah. you That is true It's not crammed full of Potswalkers or Zangars It's cra the new Berserker kit And it's the new one Which is really important one and You play World Ease because you want Berserkers So like This is a great box It's very good value. There's a lot of points in there.
01:57:59
Speaker
10 jackals is about the right amount that you want. Yeah, it's 20 berserkers, but you play in world eaters. If you don't want 20 berserkers, you're probably not playing the right army. ah and then i mean, there have been compositions where i just it's just eight bound up the wazoo, isn't there?
01:58:13
Speaker
Yeah, but at least berserkers are very cool, right? They're very iconic unit in this codex. just laughing because you're the one who's been doing about tournament player rules. Yeah, but these are cool. but Yeah. you couldn't Yeah, but two years of 10 Berserkers in Rhinos is sick.
01:58:28
Speaker
At the moment, they're also quite good too. yeah If we talk about current rules, they are quite good. ah Yeah, this book this is good. the The only criticism I have of it, I think, is that it's bad in multiples. Yeah, definitely. that all for so You never want 40 Berserkers.
01:58:39
Speaker
You buy one of these to start you off. Not an S. I think it's better than the Care Space Marine one.
01:58:48
Speaker
Just because like everything in this box is good. There's quite a lot of the unit you want. You've got the chariots. You know am dropping CSM below Tau and below sisters. Okay. on the On the multiples conversation. Because i don't think you want multiples. You don't want multiple marks possession. You don't want multiple possessed necessarily. No. ah you don't You don't want three squads of ten. So we're going to put this higher because you don't want multiple.
01:59:09
Speaker
No, this one's the best one because of the value. Because you want all of these kits. And the master the guy on the Juggernaut is half the box price. Yeah, exactly. so Like I said, it's about like new player, me getting into the army necessarily. And then I do think the multiple conversations have added one. but Yeah, definitely. Sometimes you buy mobile combat patrols. It just really absolutely sorts you out. Like with a custodian's one.
01:59:28
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. We come to our penultimate. I'll find one. I didn't even price up because couldn't bothered. The most boring space Marine starters they've ever made. This is boring. That's a profound statement. I'm serious.
01:59:40
Speaker
Leviathan sucked. Here's a combo patrol, which is half Leviathan missing the Ballista Stread. And it' five of the Infernus. And five of the Infernus and the combi weapon Tyranid hunting I'm a lone wolf inside your are two wolves, Ditenant. And Stern Guard.
01:59:56
Speaker
And the Stern Guard. There's so much missing see from this box. It is half of Leviathan then. It is quarter of Leviathan then. Yeah, maybe a third if you're lucky. The Terminator models, the new ones are cool, and I like them.
02:00:10
Speaker
And I like the Terminator Captain as well. I will get around painting mine eventually. What we should say is this box set is the Leviathan model. So even though there's a Terminator kit, which is £42.50, this is the snap fit one. So you can't, there's no options here. It is what is. They can't be soul. They can't have a missile rack.
02:00:27
Speaker
They can't have any of that stuff. They don't get flamer, they've got an assault cannon. The Terminator Captain is the same. I know the new one, there's a new Terminator Captain. This is the snappy one. It has to have the Tyranid hand on the base. and it has I was about to say, that the one choice you can't change is that he's got fucking Tyranids all over his shoes. Yeah. um And I think Infernalist Marines suck as well. I think they are boring to look at.
02:00:47
Speaker
They're boring to play with. They do not excite me in the slightest. I'm sorry, Salamander players out there who are all like, stroking testicles to this. baly their testles to this but like ah Yeah, this is weird because i I think we said that we've said in the past like if fairness Marines are really strange to be in a Starbucks But it just feels like they've tried to reinvent intercessors. They had intercessors in Indomitus They reinvented them into assault Murray assault intercessors. I know was there wasn't a success in domitius Sorry, Dark Imperium.
02:01:13
Speaker
Sorry, I've missed Dark Imperium, yes. Yeah, and then Indomitus, they've reinvented the Intercessor into Assault Intercessor, which is very cool. And then they've reinvented the Intercessor into Flamer, guys, which... All right. flat Five Flamers is cool.
02:01:27
Speaker
We've already got Hellblasters.
Troop Choices and Kit Recommendations
02:01:28
Speaker
not really, like, ah they don't feel like a troop choice from a box, right? That is interesting. There's no Assault Intercessors in any of the... yeah any of the kits i think it's built i don't know i've got this is like having hellblasters in but there's nothing else there that kind of works with it they're not like a they're like a very very niche pick compared to hellblasters yeah you can't touch either with the characters to them like it yeah they both go one of them goes on the turbo isn't that it um if a new marine player or new to one player was like should get this I would suggest they look on eBay and try and get Leviathan Half End that way. It's the same as a TV conversation, right?
02:02:02
Speaker
it You could get cheap on eBay and get more of it. Yeah, so even then if if they can't find that on eBay then buy this and that's fine But even then it's not necessarily the best pick for a new player new player either here's a question for you then as we decide where to put it Is it a better Space Marine start a box for a new player if we exclude the eBay conversation than the other five Space Marine combat patrols? No, I think
Critique of Leviathan Kit
02:02:25
Speaker
this is definitely the worst one Really? Because you can get it all so cheap on eBay But also, it's just is small. i was asked you to exclude that, but it's true. Yeah.
02:02:35
Speaker
It's 12 models. There's not any models. I fucking love Terminators, though. I really love Terminators. And the new Terminators are beautiful. But it's the Snapfit kit. If it was the multi-part kit, i be I'd give it more credit.
02:02:47
Speaker
But it's the fact that you don't get all the options in the Terminator kit. So you could buy yeah this, and you are hamstrung because you bought the Star kit. So we are we talking a C grade here? Yeah, I think this is i think it is terrible. it's not It's not worse than 10 inches, right?
02:03:02
Speaker
but No, it's not it's not as bad as Death Watch. and it's not as bad ah Is it worse than the Space Wolf one? No. It's so bad for money, though. There's nothing in there.
02:03:14
Speaker
How many models is it? Twelve.
02:03:18
Speaker
No, 13. Do you get teleport homer? so Excuse me, I forgot the token model. Do you get any Victor in the space? i think this is worse than the Space Wolf 1. I think this is trash.
02:03:30
Speaker
If someone bought this, I'd be like, are you high? I'd be like, are you are you actually... Are you cracked? okay what are you To be honest, yeah you can get this stuff on eBay. and like look If you bought the new Terminator Multipark kit...
02:03:45
Speaker
That's 50 quid you know me both these characters you've already spent that first death this money here, right? I mean, I'll stop swimming photos marines are never gonna play. Yeah So I just just marines are marine to like but the painting trial ones aren't they for the magazines? and Yeah, gain you can get these free from games workshop.
02:04:03
Speaker
Just go five times. hey on Is this the worst combat patrol? Maybe it might be worth for the death watch one because there's no great sprues either. Is there a transfer sheet? Is there a transfer sheet?
02:04:17
Speaker
Wait for it. Wait for it. No. ah Ben, where's combat patrol? That's insane. It's got it's getting to have the ultimate transfer sheet. It's awful. No, it's the worst one, I think. I think this is worse than Death Watch.
02:04:28
Speaker
Because any space marine faction could buy this, and I'd tell all of them to not buy it. At least a Death Watch Anyone could buy it. At least they've got units in there they could actually, like, build stuff with. This is just all
Reflecting on Discussion Length and Fatigue
02:04:39
Speaker
snap fit.
02:04:40
Speaker
You know? No, no, no, no, no. The Death Watch 1 has 10 in assessors in there They can't build shit. And upgrades, Bruce. No, it's better than Death Watch. Okay.
02:04:51
Speaker
It's not as good as an Invictus Wars suit. Much like tier, D tier. The space of one's better than the other two, but the other two, either way, they're both shit. Fucking hell, it is bad, isn't it? I really hate Leviathan. There you go. There's a takeaway from this video. I thought Leviathan shit.
02:05:06
Speaker
They still look unexpected, Mikey! was gonna say, I think the Leviathan kit's bad when you look at the AOS one that's coming out in a few weeks. Oh, fuck. Yeah, yeah. think it's worse than Dark Imperium. It's worse than Dramatis. I know the new AOS one is sick.
02:05:19
Speaker
I mean, i guess the last AOS one, i kind of hated all the cruel boys. They just didn't interest to me. They didn't tick any boxes. Yeah. Um... yeah but So this is the longest episode the podcast that's ever happened.
Podcast Conclusion and Audience Appreciation
02:05:30
Speaker
You're so welcome. though At least you felt the longest you've done.
02:05:35
Speaker
You've been in Wolf's Day. don't think this has made me feel bad. This has made me feel worse. You're so angry now about death watching Leviathan's face read. yeah just Well, it's also just ah it's just an hour and 50 minutes of like... I ran out water about 30 minutes ago. We should have paused. Oh, there's still some in there.
02:05:51
Speaker
Glug, glug, daddy. Glug, glug. oh I need to pee, need to hydrate, I need to eat lunch. Thank you Mikey! Where can people find you? There'll be links in the description. Is that the last one? That's it. it Oh, sorry. What's wrong?
02:06:05
Speaker
Sorry. i' tell it that but I thought there was one more. No, the last the last tab is this. Okay, cool, cool, cool. 25, ready? 1, 2, I believe 3. you. No, no, I'm checking now. 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
02:06:18
Speaker
twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one twenty two twenty three twenty four twenty five You're right, yeah. 25, 24. want to do this yourself, there'll be a link in the description below. There'll be links to Mikey when I'm not, where you can actually hear Mikey without me talking over him.
02:06:33
Speaker
There was also, there's a whole magazine <unk> magazine coming up where you get all the combat patrols for like 500 pounds or something or whatever. Excellent. Only half of it will be shit. Well, to be honest, if you do if it is Final Decree, don't know what the actual ah money is for that hatchet thing. It's probably very good value for money if you want to paint all the models.
02:06:49
Speaker
yeah um Yeah. I bought the last one. I've got so much random Imperium shit. I'm actually going to sell some of this, and I'm like, probably not. Yeah, I got the AOS one, I think, and now half of it went to Legends.
02:07:03
Speaker
Oh, that is fucking bad. That is brutal. I'm going to call it there. Good night, everyone. Thanks watching. I'll all soon. Love you all. Bye. Love you. Bye. Bye.