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Season 5- Episode 37- World Class (Premiership Semi-Final & Super Rugby Round 12)
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It's more fun from those American rugby dopes. On this episode we look back on a big weekend in rugby including the Semi-Finals of the Prem, all the action from the StoneX and the AJ Bell. Plus, whaaaaat happened to the Chiefs? We wrap up the Reds big result and the rest of Super Rugby. Of course, the Free Jacks return with a big win again DC and a look at what they need to finish top of the pile in the East. All this and you know, banters, so on, so forth. Kick back and enjoy with us!
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction
00:00:02
Speaker
It is the fantasy rugby angst. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody gambled that. Collusion. Collusion. Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the fantasy rugby angst. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:31
Speaker
I'm Ben Glauser. Let's go baby.
Rugby Event Highlights
00:00:34
Speaker
Um, not much to talk about, but important shit to talk about nonetheless. Well, sound there was, you know, some knockout rugby played. Yup. Yup. And, uh, that, that was, yeah, no, no, no real news after that. Beyond that. We're skipping over something then. And then the free jacks. So yeah, there's a little bit to talk about.
00:00:58
Speaker
Only two leagues we really need to cover. Yeah. Sorry. I'm probably going to feel the same way next week. Probably going to be pissed. Yeah, actually. And I, yeah, I, I, I, I have positive thoughts about that and we'll get to it. Mine are positive. I can tell you that much. Uh, first things first. Uh,
Listener Engagement & Fantasy Rugby Geek
00:01:25
Speaker
Obviously, make sure that you do this on your favorite podcast app, share us, download rate review, all that good stuff. Buy our good friend, George, the fancy rugby geek, a coffee, because some of you are now into a super rugby semi-finals. And if you got to both your super rugby final, semi-final and your prom, uh, yeah, you owe this man big time. So go ahead and buy him a coffee or a beer. However you wish to view it. As always, there is.
00:01:53
Speaker
No room for discrimination on this podcast, nor should there be in support of their own life. Where do we go, Ben? Has this been so much shit in the family lately? There has been. I'm going to take us to North Carolina today, where in the state
Story from North Carolina Legislature
00:02:13
Speaker
legislature,
00:02:16
Speaker
One representative who's just for some reason just like a hobo clown. They just so weird down there. I'm sorry. He's fucking weird.
00:02:28
Speaker
racist white men all dressed like fucking morons. I don't get it. They look like fucking clowns. Right. And surprise, surprise. They act like clowns too. Just for the job you want, I guess. But there was another representative that was giving, if you had the floor,
00:02:47
Speaker
And he was asked a question and the whole Robert's rules and order thing. OK, you can talk. And basically was like he said. You know, if you weren't African-American or an athlete, would you have gotten into Harvard and all this stuff and blah, blah, blah, blah? And yeah, to this up to the representative who had the floor, it's like.
00:03:13
Speaker
We're like, what the fuck? No, I want to answer that question. That's a stupid fucking question. And it is. And the guy was like, oh, you know, afterwards, I guess, like he withdrew the question. He's like, yeah, I shouldn't have said that. It's like, yeah. Oh, really? It took that long for you to figure that one out. Maybe when you're playing it over in your head, you stupid, stupid fucker, that should have been the one that said, that's what should have been the moment you said, I shouldn't have asked that question. And he said that the typical right wing thing
00:03:39
Speaker
Um, then I, again, I say this because I like, you know, I was kind of raised in that kind of environment was like, I just misspoke. You know, I didn't really meant it didn't come out the way I really meant it. And then, but then he included this. He says, yeah, that seems to happen a lot. And it's like, Oh, I can't imagine why. Like, maybe you should think about that. Like, Oh, people keep taking my shit wrong. I keep saying it. I keep phrasing things wrong. Well, then what the.
00:04:10
Speaker
And that's right. And that's the thing.
Affirmative Action Discussion
00:04:14
Speaker
You should be allowed to make a mistake here and there as long as it's with the good intention. There was nothing good. There was no good intention about asking that question. It was all just to be able to push bigotry and fear of
00:04:30
Speaker
of affirmative action. And it's like, no, it's affirmative action is basically making sure that they don't discriminate. Like it's not too discriminating for someone else's favor. It's making sure that people who qualify and actually he did stand up and say that, you know, at Harvard, they rate you when you graduate now, you know, one through five. And as far as like, you know, how they rate you as a student, he's like, and I was a two. And then he got into Harvard Law School.
00:04:53
Speaker
He's like, I earned my spot and I, I proved that I belong there. Like, so what the hell question are you talking? Like, it's just this whole thing of, you know, this guy sees that a black man went to Harvard and they immediately think, oh, it's only because they were black. That's it. That's the first thing they think. Yeah. It's only because they were, you know, they're, they weren't white or whatever stupid reason they come up with in their brain. Right. Right.
00:05:18
Speaker
because you can't be as good as me. They're pulling you up and you don't deserve it. That's not how that works. They just weren't being given opportunities because they didn't have to give them opportunities. But it didn't come out right. No, you're right. It did not come out right.
00:05:40
Speaker
Rephrase that next time, dummy. But like next time, ask why you even think that's an appropriate question. That's that's really right. Exactly. Because that's the point. Like Harvard. You know, it doesn't. They still do, but whatever. They don't think they didn't discriminate.
00:05:59
Speaker
And he earned this, he showed, as he said, I got, I earned my spot and I proved that I belong. Like, yeah. Really can't question it. If someone is in a position that they're in, they most likely, it's oddly enough, they most likely deserve it. Um, I guess I should, I'm not, mostly it's the, you know, depends on the profile of the position. Yeah. Keep that caveat in there. Right.
Podcast Future Plans
00:06:29
Speaker
And don't forget about our Patreon. We got a few weeks left to go in the Super Rugby FRD here. And we'll get that. We'll get all that good stuff ready for you all. And some of you are probably going to want that for the final as well. Just just a thought. Yeah, I apologize. I've had to go into the office for all day meetings the last two days. So that's why the sheet, the analysis sheet is not up in the sheet with him. Yeah, I can't really do that.
00:06:59
Speaker
environment. So it's frowned upon in that establishment. Right. And also, you know, I didn't really want to stare at my screen anymore in my spare time. So yeah, I will get to it. I'll try tomorrow when I have to be staring at my screen all day. But I'll be at home. Yeah, that's a good start. So at least I can be like, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
00:07:22
Speaker
Um, and then also, as most of you know, we are climbing towards episode number 200. We are about two or three away here. So it won't be long and we'll do our special. We'll do our special in a couple, in a few weeks time. We'll get ourselves all prepped up. I'll start putting out stuff this week with questions and all that. Now that I got my head out of my ass, my head was firmly up at the last couple of weeks, but I'm getting out. That's all right.
00:07:50
Speaker
That's where I've been this week. We take turns.
Personal Anecdotes and Home Management
00:07:53
Speaker
It happens sometimes. The release of Tears of the Kingdom is not helpful either. That's been a bit of a time sink for me. I had a hell of a weekend with it. But you did. I don't remember what my weekend was.
00:08:16
Speaker
And just was away. So, yeah, just was coaching at National. So it was just me. And I managed to keep the all three of our animals alive and pretty and healthy and kept the house relatively clean. I mean, you mostly when you're sitting in basically your boxer is playing Zelda like for three days straight. Yeah, you have to get to take a break to get up and clean every. Yeah, just make sure that you throw the food containers away or whatever you're doing.
00:08:45
Speaker
Which I did because she came back. It was garbage collection days Monday here. So, boom, that was out. And yeah, it was just take out a bunch of trash. I can do that. I can definitely do that when I, you know, I can find five minutes when I don't want to play for a minute. There you go. Anyway, to the rugby. Yeah. That I mostly watched.
Rugby Match Analysis
00:09:07
Speaker
Well, I watched plenty of this, um, start at the stone X on Saturday for the prime final semi-final, excuse me, uh, series in North Hampton. So the biggest talking point is obviously what started the match with Maitland. And I really don't even think it's a talking point, honestly, like.
00:09:31
Speaker
It's all brought on by fucking idiots like Oz and Law. Really all it is. You know, it is. They're they're just like, oh, that's a penalty. And if they think it's a penalty, everybody else, all the morons are the ones that get themselves up in the arms like, oh, and they see what you two do. You bring out the stupid. Right. Like, and they think everything's a penalty. They look for things like, well, that's not how you can't do that. It's like, are you fucking kidding me? Right. Like, well, Law hates series and Oz just moans about everything. So.
00:10:01
Speaker
Right. So it doesn't it just didn't help. No, it didn't. But no, I think he mistimed it. And yeah, you're right. And they even called it. No, I think they called it the knock on. I think he said it was. I thought they called it. Yeah, because I think it was it was the knock on to say scrumeteries because he said, no, he was there. He just.
00:10:21
Speaker
I think they called it penalty on it, but that was it. Just in case of this timing. Yeah, that's fine. Just like last week, where it was clear that... Fuck, what was that? Who was... Yeah, Lina got there first. Absolutely clear. And they're like, everybody... It doesn't help that the highball contest is not anywhere near
00:10:53
Speaker
enforced with any sort of standard or any consistency. You never know. You never know from ref to ref. I would prefer that to have been penalty, which is why I think I don't think it was because I don't know. Either way, there was a penalty at most.
00:11:19
Speaker
And so what like it's not, it doesn't change the game either way. Cause I don't think it's not going to somehow some way. Sorry. No, it's just not a card. Yeah. I don't think somehow some way a card, whether it be yellow or red or races, 23 points.
00:11:36
Speaker
Right. On the deficit here. I know Maitland scored two of them, but okay, so you take Maitland out and you put somebody else on the wing. What does it really make a difference? They were Johnny Maitland tries. They were like, he was in the right position. That's great. He was right where a wing needed to be.
00:11:55
Speaker
like you put generic weight like and that's that was the kind of tries he scored those give me those were eight and nine on the season it's not like he doesn't do it he's a he's an excellent finisher um but i mean the chip through from oh oh oh he was class he was class the whole day i was like oh what is this guy doing to us right now man i'd be i'd be tearing my hair out watching him and be like
00:12:20
Speaker
fuck me because by the time Maitland scored his first I had already we had ever been texting about it and I you know because this is what I do um because I thought Maitland should have had two tries like that uh like a true speedy winger because also I've been you know watching some of the super rugby
00:12:37
Speaker
And like watching commerce make real wingers do a winger work super lightning fast wingers. Yeah. Right. Like if you get a little bit of that in the pram, holy shit. Look, look the fuck out if they ever, you know, because that would be, you know, Maitland would have had, you know, the guy in his if that was in that position would have had like five tries that match. But Maitland serviceable. So he's got two.
00:13:00
Speaker
Yep. And Van Zell, I mean. Oh, oh, I'm good. He's he was so good this game and like. That was a an impressive one on one battle with one of the one is still one of the best scrumheaves in the world. Alex Mitchell is fucking good. Well, he showed his own to himself, right? You know, well, you know, he waited till Van Zell, you know, he's like, OK, kid, you know, you can
00:13:28
Speaker
Dude, you can you can have a little bit and then I'll take some and, you know, it'll be good. I thought, yeah, for the first like the first half, certainly, Vanzel was just crushing Mitchell in every way. And that was so that's that's an impressive statement. Right. Yeah, that's there's a lot right there. Yeah, who? Yeah, if you can come on, that was great.
00:13:58
Speaker
Yeah, I struggle to think of a moment. Really, I was happy, obviously, but disappointed in Saints like when they initially went for that first three, I'm like,
00:14:12
Speaker
Boys, you do not have this in your locker. This is not you. Go for tries. Like, your defense is not good enough. You're going to have to just get into a track meet, and that comes with kicking for corner and, you know, attacking as often as you can. Yeah. Right. You have to take when you have an opportunity to get seven or five at least, you got to take it. And as you said, especially with that defense, like... Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:41
Speaker
Saturday is what they broke. Saturday's broke 20 in the first half. And that was those those are the. And that was the. Yeah, they didn't like Saints didn't really even answer until the second half and. Yeah, not it's just not going to happen. That's not a good way to.
00:15:05
Speaker
No, not at all. You gotta be putting up points. Yeah. I'm looking at, um, just counting up the tackle, the tackled miss from the weekend there. Um, let me see, maybe they got a total on here. That'd be nice. Yep. 15.
00:15:26
Speaker
and Sarri's actually missed more, but they still have a higher tackle success percentage, but we know Saints can make you miss, so. Right. Well, Saints, you know, Sarri's missed their tackles in midfield. They were a little bit loosey-goosey in defense, but they, like, the Saints never finished. So, like, the Saints would kind of go into a shell, and it's like, wait, it's one of those dance with the girl with Bronya,
00:15:52
Speaker
Like, don't change your approach. No. Because you're close to the goal line. And you think, oh, we have to tighten up a little bit. That's not your game. That's not where you're threatening. No. You don't have the strongest front row, really. You don't have your locks are more attacking and certainly in space. They're not really the thunder. They're not the debut where it's tight. You know, you have truckasaurus, but he's best out in the wing.
00:16:21
Speaker
space too. So just use, you know, you still use your speed. That's what you're, that's your strength. And they didn't do that enough when they did it. Right. Exactly. So, um, yeah. Yeah. And don't, and don't give, don't, don't give Owen feral chances to fuck with you because he will make it happen. Oh, he will. He was a fucking bugger. Yeah. He,
00:16:52
Speaker
I mean, he's obviously got a point to prove because obviously I have a good six nations, but. It's hard to say he's not well class when you watch performance like that. I mean, look, this is him getting his mind right going into the World Cup and that. Again, seeing where England is. And how everybody else is on the other side, pretty much.
00:17:18
Speaker
You know, that's he's he is mentally preparing and working this like, you know, he's playing, you know, in a World Cup final, he's getting ready for it and. This is what you want, you know. Right. He was brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Yeah. And, you know, like you said, like we talked about Maitland started this match in two weeks. That's probably a daily. Right. Yeah.
00:17:47
Speaker
All I say is good luck, everybody else. Good luck. Yeah. Oh, that's nice. And then let's go to Sunday. Cause this one, I was, I found myself annoyed, honestly. And if I would, let's put it this way. If I was a Tigers fan, I'd be pretty annoyed for a lot of reasons.
Player Conduct & Strategy Discussion
00:18:12
Speaker
And that's not, it's nothing to do with refereeing. No, I'd be annoyed at Dan Cole.
00:18:19
Speaker
First off, he was a total D hole, all match. And look, I don't want it like you're a prop. When you're a prop, it's it's different, especially for tight heads. You can't you just there's too much work. It's everybody's got a little bit of a step on you just because of the scrumming you're doing. Doesn't matter how much or how little you do it, it's still it starts to wear on you.
00:18:49
Speaker
But then, so you try to kind of pull some shit to bring people down to your level but like look once someone gets hurt. It's time to cut the shit right now play it straight especially the you're the guy who did it, like if someone else gets hurt that you know wasn't you involved, you still kind of want to cut it out. If it's you it's time to be a fucking.
00:19:07
Speaker
Good boy, you know, put on your Sunday best and and and hands in pockets if you need to. And just be. Hands down, hands down. And he just kept being a dick. He just continued the dickholery until. And then, yeah, I think I think who is ref in this one? I think.
00:19:34
Speaker
I think he just got pissed. He was like, yeah, I've had enough of you. Go fucking go sit down. I think it was, you know, I don't think that offense was a yellow, but Coley was being a dick the whole match and got away with, you know, it should have been a card. I think one of the ARs said it that like he's not going he's going to straight to deck like he's not rucking properly, which was accurate. And I think Barnes ignored him. And I think then he's like, no, OK, you're done. I've had enough. Yeah.
00:19:59
Speaker
Yeah. And I'm kind of surprised. I was kind of surprised. It was just a yellow, to be honest. I thought he might have just, but it's hard to go straight red just because you're, you're annoyed. But again, right. Right. Yeah. Like her bad too. Not like, yeah. I
00:20:23
Speaker
feel for the Tigers with obviously Pollard dropping late. That was a bitch. But, and this is just my opinion. It could be right. It could be wrong. It's an opinion. What are you going to do? I think they, this, I'm not saying they would have won, but I think this could have
00:20:47
Speaker
been handled a little bit better in the earlier months of the season when you signed Charlie Atkinson to get him more playing time. I feel like they pittered out his playing time fairly a lot in the last couple of months. And maybe I'm not counting it well, so that's fine. But just how it seems. And I don't think it was come when push comes to shove. Like, yes, Joplin knows pretty much everything there is to know about playing 10 at this point. There's no question about that. But
00:21:17
Speaker
For all the actions and doesn't know, he makes up with his speed, athleticism and his just outright abilities, which one ability to the to the other. I think Atkinson's better. But it's hard to be experienced sometimes. So I think it would have been like, yeah, you could have gotten that from a Freddie Burns.
00:21:42
Speaker
Right. Ironically, I let him walk. So but you let him walk. So, yeah. So that that doesn't help. And Jimmy, but you're not going to get that from Jimmy Gopper. I I love Jimmy Gopper.
00:21:54
Speaker
This is he you should. It's not fair of you to put him in that position, really, but he's he's retired. Just or at least, you know, he's moving on like he's got to be done. Right. This is he's like there's no way he's not resigned with Tigers and he's not signed anywhere else at the moment. Yeah. Right. But I think, yeah, I think he's probably going to go somewhere to have fun. And it was a great place. Yeah. Oh, that would be awesome. Actually, I would. Yeah, that'd be fun.
00:22:27
Speaker
But yeah, he's not that guy. He's not at the Freddie Burns type anymore. You know, there was maybe three years ago, Goprath would have given you that. Right. But that's not who he is anymore. So, yeah, you should have prepped Atkinson. You're right. You're right. All that way, too. Yes, it was.
00:22:48
Speaker
It was tough lucky to take anything away from sale sale played an excellent match. Yeah, that injury. Right. George Ford played extremely well. Yes, he does. And then the kids grow book and read. That's that's that's what you want to see.
00:23:07
Speaker
You know, they're scoring because it's one of those, you know, big time players make big time plays in big time games. And Reed and Roebuck have had their flashes. They've shown that they they they could be. But like scoring that kind of tries that they scored when, you know, in the place that they scored them. Yep. Big. That's like you have shown me something kind of thing. Absolutely. And our old buddy Bobby Doops popped up as well. Mm hmm.
00:23:37
Speaker
We've on the robot try there. And that was a great piece of play. Nope. He's fine. He's fine. No. The other one did.
00:23:48
Speaker
I think one, I think one of the other was Dan. No, Dan came off the bench. Actually, nevermind. So that's nevermind. Forget that. Yeah. No. Yeah. Rob. Rob played off. Oh, no. I think Dupree got something happened to something tweaked and then he was fine. Yeah. He just went down for a. Where we stretch an ankle or something. Yeah. Yep. Yep.
00:24:12
Speaker
Overall, yeah, it was going to always be a tough place to play. And I thought Lester played a great game for the most part, but just were let down in moments. And that was enough. Yeah, you know, the it was everything was obviously compounded at the end when both Atkinson and Van Porthle kicked it dead.
00:24:34
Speaker
Yeah, oops. Young kids learning, I suppose is how you chalk that up to a man and you're like, Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And the one that back in since Boone like.
00:24:55
Speaker
There's lots of ways to look at that. And depending on how you want to manage the end of the game when you're down two scores, do you want to go get the try and then try and nick a penalty at the end to get the win? Or do you want to take the penalty and try and use the remaining however many minutes to get yourself back into position for a try? It's really, I don't think there's a wrong answer. I think there's a, yeah, it depends on the flow of the game. Yeah, that's probably the best way to put it.
00:25:24
Speaker
And, yeah, it's one of those, like, I mean, look, I think here's here's the difference to me. It's twenty one thirteen. Right. If it's like. You know, thirty one twenty one, something like that. Or twenty one twenty four or twenty five twenty three. Like make it just a little bit more than, you know, a try.
00:25:48
Speaker
Right. Then maybe you go for you know, you've scored it. You've already shown you can score. You've only scored one try. You got it. You know, you're going to have to get one. So get it, prove you can get it. And then now that's now that's what's putting like if you score, if you just go come away with three, that gives sale that whole like, yeah, OK, you know, good. They have 16 or so like.
00:26:12
Speaker
Fine, we're down in their end now. We can still run this clock out. We're confident in our defense holding them out. You put a try on them and now all of a sudden that helps earn the penalties you need. You basically need two penalties. There's a little pressure there, yeah. And you get two penalties. And the second one, you should be in position if you do everything right to knock one over. Maybe you need three.
00:26:37
Speaker
And that's, you know, but that's not going to happen without the same thing. If you if you if you're going to try to score a try. You probably need three to four penalties. Three to get out of your, you know, one to get out of your own and two to get, you know, reasonably close three to. Get, you know, to maybe kill them in the corner and then four, maybe if you shank one of them and you need it, you know, like that, that's still that's a lot to ask.
00:27:04
Speaker
So, you know, in this situation, yeah, they should they did the right thing. It's just just get it out. That's that's it. Yeah. Like out. Yeah. Like, but doesn't matter. You don't need it's hard to knock the shit for trying to go for it. You know, we praise all these guys for having the cojones to go for it and to try and knock it into the corner from really shitty angles.
00:27:26
Speaker
And every once in a while, this is when it's going to happen. And the fact that it happened in a big moment, it's just compounded and it's magnified. And it's one of those certain people are allowed to do. We've seen Marcus Smith do it.
00:27:43
Speaker
And everybody, you know, there's it's gone from the oh, he's like, he's not, you know, I'd look at him. He's the he's not he's not the next big thing to come on. You got to knock those out to now. It's a well, Marcus fucked it up like dumbass, like whatever you'll make up. Right. He'll make up for it. Whatever. That's the thing you have to prove you can make up for it. Once you once you do that now, you can you can afford a mistake like that. So that kind of sucks because there is that bias. But
00:28:13
Speaker
Um, yeah, I wouldn't hold it against him. Not if he makes like a real fucking continues to make a habit of it, but that's like, yeah, it's such a fixable thing. Exactly. Yep. And he'll learn it's most of it's fixable through experience. So again, that's why you play him more during the regular season.
00:28:29
Speaker
Yeah, maybe that being in case this is where it is. And that's that's knockout rugby. It's not your it's not even your one to twenty three. It's at this level, it's your one to thirty because next man up and then the next man up after him cannot shit the bed. So you got to make everybody make sure everybody's ready. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And I don't think that. Yeah, I think you're right. And that comes from like coaching upheaval because it's like, OK, you know, Wigglesworth has to find his footing. So he's got a
00:28:59
Speaker
he's got to start Pollard. Like he doesn't have much of a choice. So that kind of comes from, you know, all this has a trickle down effect from, from the England snafu by keeping Eddie Jones after the last world cup. Right. Or at least as long as they did. Yeah. Yeah. So it's hard to, it's not, it's never just a,
00:29:22
Speaker
one game thing when you're looking at the season of the whole in terms of Buster, like, you know, obviously they started off like absolute dog shit. The team you and I watched was not the team that got to the semifinal team. You and I watch was who right. And that right. And this and this was a whole different ball game. This this team that played in this semifinal. So right. Yeah. Good on them for right. For writing the ship. And they've been through a lot. They've been through like, you know, we just kind of went through it.
00:29:53
Speaker
It's been a, it's been such a wild fucking ride for Lester as it has much, much of the prem, but them especially, um, like they were the most affected outside of the ones that folded pretty much. Yeah. Apart from the teams that folded. Right. And then you, to, to reach this level, um, especially after a championship hangover, which you normally get, um,
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah. Top top fucking drawer. Yeah. Absolutely. As, as we say, as they say, um, catch freeze. If you haven't figured that out, let's jump, let's jump it over.
Game Performance Insights
00:30:32
Speaker
I know you don't want to talk about this one, but we're going to, yeah, that's cool. What happened?
00:30:44
Speaker
Okay, so here's what happened. Was not on my bingo board. No, and it really was that the attack just took a shit. They figured... That's what I thought too. Okay, you thought that as well. Good to know. Here's what happened. They thought that they could just show up and this is exactly what the fuck happened. They thought they could just show up and play for 75 minutes and then turn it on in the last five and really like press them and win.
00:31:09
Speaker
And you know what? They almost fucking did. That's the fucked up part. That's the fucked up part is they just kind of were snoozing through the first 70 or so minutes and then decided, yeah, OK, let's actually win this thing. And that it's fucking annoying. And I'm still this is one of the again, one of those games where. I'm I'm incredibly annoyed by. DMACC at 10, because he's not.
00:31:40
Speaker
You want him, he's not the distributor. He's the guy who, he's like the, he's very easily the second distributor. He's the guy who you make a pass to and you let him do his magic out wider. Not like first guy, like, especially against a team like the Reds who are actually kind of solid upfront, but they were easily vulnerable wide. But like DMACC was throwing cutout passes from 10 to 11 and then 14. And it's like,
00:32:08
Speaker
You realize that all it does is get the defense to line up and go get them. Right. Like you're you're you're just giving it right to them. You're not even really trying. It's like an attempt at trying. It's like you're looking to make it look like I'm doing something awesome rather than really piloting an attack. And.
00:32:26
Speaker
you know, reds were vulnerable to it, as we saw in the last 10 minutes. Like if you just played like this game, it would have been fine. And notice, actually, they're the the the Chiefs of Tech got a lot better. That's a bunch. Josh Iwani was fucking ridiculous. He was really good. I mean, well, and his and his defense, too. His his hitting was. Hmm. Yes, I like seeing that. I want to see more of that, please. More of that, please.
00:32:55
Speaker
But, yeah, he you know, it kind of helped when it wasn't. Mackenzie pulling the strings and that. OK, also the the kick for four points. Mm hmm. Was what to me, that was when the game ended. And you're done. And you're done because that's just, you know, no matter what your, you know, the game plan was at that point, that's just it was fucking gutless. It was what? It's 47th minute. And what did it do? I can't remember what it.
00:33:22
Speaker
what the score was at that point. But it was like more than a try difference. And it's like, just fucking score. Like go for, like your attacks actually have been pretty decent. You do have, I thought their fault words were fronting up pretty well against the Reds. So I thought that that was like actually a point of, you had a win there. So,
00:33:49
Speaker
Yeah, so like use that because that's been your strength really this match. Not so much, you know, trying to razzle dazzle. And look, I'm not.
00:34:00
Speaker
I don't say that because they're trying to open it up. Obviously, I love fucking open rugby. I fucking love attacking rugby. This was just attempts at Razzle Dazzle. It was like, yeah. Oh, look at us. And the fence is like, yeah, we'll just go tackle that guy instead. As the ball is in the air, we'll just run over and get ready for them and talk nothing over here to see. Yeah. Right. Like, thank you very much. It was. Yeah.
00:34:27
Speaker
Again, one of those where they chiefs really they'd be they're much better when he's at 15. Mm hmm. Yep. So, you know, whatever it is, teams take a shit sometimes. So the Reds are still they have to have that potential.
00:34:50
Speaker
Yeah. And people have been begging for it, which is why Thorne's on his way out. So. Right. Because I mean, you know, Jock Campbell scores. Jock Campbell scored this game. Yeah. Jock Campbell had a lot of meters, too. Fucking kidding me. This is that kind of game. So fine. Yeah. And something called a Zane Nongor scored. Yes, he did. That was his first.
00:35:14
Speaker
Yeah. I know it's not good. Right. It's just not their best performance. This is going to be rockets up asses for them. And it's one of those, look, if you're going to take a shit, if you're going to learn that you cannot show up and win just because or, you know, you can't just show up and appear on a field and win.
00:35:36
Speaker
this team needs to
00:35:56
Speaker
I'm not too, I'm not disheartened. It was just kind of frustrating to watch. That's like, it's one of those good losses. Cause who gives a shit? They're, they're still number one in this standing. They had a game to lose. They're not winning them all. Not in this competition. Fuck. Yeah. It's really hard. It's really tough. Um,
00:36:18
Speaker
Well, you know what? If it takes losing this match to get rockets up their asses for this coming week, I'm, I'm for that too. Yeah. I'd rather, I'd rather lose this one. Ultimately. Yeah. Let's go over to Perth for some joy. They said on commentary and it's, but there was the exact thought I had going into watching this match. Cause I didn't necessarily know the result, but I had inkling that this wasn't going to go well for the Drew. When I thought about it, they don't play well away from home. They don't.
00:36:47
Speaker
And for whatever reason, they just seem to not bring that same game from Fiji. And people say, oh, the weather's different. That's not it. Their game plan just seems to all of a sudden change. They're not changed, but they just can't execute it. Or they're just... I feel like at home, they try to put on a show for their fans.
00:37:13
Speaker
And they don't get the, I think they feed off of that energy. Cause like the fans cheer, even if it's a try against them, if it's really well done, they'll cheer. They're like, Hey, that's really, this is cool rugby. Yay. Good rugby. Like they fucking love that shit. And you get away from home and it's a different energy. It's different crowd. And you're feeding the, what you're feeding off of is not.
00:37:35
Speaker
It's like, you know, instead of eating a nice nutritious breakfast, it's like eating a Dunkin Sammy and coffee like pregame like it's yeah, it's akin to that. It just you don't it doesn't taste good. It doesn't feel good. And you just kind of want to shit. And that's kind of what they did. Yeah, kind of did.
00:37:54
Speaker
Congratulations, you kind of did. Yeah. You've successfully gotten what you wanted out of it. Yeah. Yeah, not to knock the force, but. Yeah, I mean, the jury scored about two tries and that was. Yeah, and it seemed well, the jury scored those two and I thought, OK, here we go again. And then they just stop again. No, it was really bizarre and almost baffling. It was like, for real? Like, what are we doing here?
00:38:23
Speaker
Yeah. Like, okay, we're good. Right. And, and Kim, for us, we're playing with a guy on half a leg out in the lane with Kim and Ricky, just like tracking himself along. Like, yeah, I mean, to the forces credit, I thought Tizano had a great game. I thought Mattelio played really well.
00:38:42
Speaker
Fucking Sam Spinks a monster. That's not a news. That's not news. Right? It's good to see it pretty well. Jeremy Williams is good. And something called Max Barry. Yeah, it wasn't that acceptable. I mean, he played better than Teddy Teller. So not not necessarily. No, that's not hard. But right. But it's just what was his first match or like the first. Wasn't it second? OK. Second second last week, too. OK. Yeah. And then.
00:39:12
Speaker
We can go to, I mean, we can go to Wellington, but I don't know how much good it's going to do for honest. I mean, I knew this, we kind of knew this was coming. We talked about it last week where, yes, Moana was disappointed with the way they lost, but man, I can tell you this much. The hurricanes got a clunk up their side of their head. Right. Just got whacked. Like, what are you guys doing?
00:39:35
Speaker
And everybody, everybody woke up for this one. Just to be just to fucking do it. Just to make it a point like, yeah, I'm not. Yeah, fuck this shit.
00:39:48
Speaker
And yeah, they just, they, they took it out on them. What are you going to do? Um, sorry guys. Yeah. Yeah. Aidan Morgan did well. Uh, yes. Yes. I believe he scored as well. Yeah, he did. He did. Oopsie. Well, this is, this is the type of game that we want to have.
00:40:14
Speaker
Unfortunately produced sometimes, even this season, which is disappointing, but it's, they're just not as powerful. No, they had, they had 19 and a half. Thanks. So you got, yeah, I got all the gold at the start of the first second half, which really isn't what you want. No. Um, yeah. So oops, a day easy. Um,
00:40:43
Speaker
I know how stupid this site is. So those sometimes they have a picture of Wysocki, you know, hollow and say Kenny. So many, so many types of thing into the AI and so that is. And then disappointing in another way, Crusaders and Blues, like. This was a little ugly. This made me happy about how the Chiefs played.
00:41:12
Speaker
To be honest, like, yeah, a couple of the blues just because I feel like the blues kind of did the same thing. Hmm. Like, I feel like they really trying to get the ball to Talaia. I mean, trying to get obviously they were forcing you on it, too, but like really trying to get it to to their wings, too. And it was just not happening. They weren't you know, they were they were they were going directly to them instead of
00:41:40
Speaker
you know, taking a couple of phases and this and that. Papa Lee is one of those plays that. That I mean, should have been a straight red, but I love the I love the way that's exactly the way this should work, except for the fact that it was only 20 minute red card for the, you know, for the player that that that was kind of bullshit, but.
00:42:01
Speaker
You know, as soon as the ref saw it, he's like, that yellow card, go fucking review it. We're done wasting time with that shit. Yeah, let's not waste time with this shit. Right. And I think it helps the flow and the energy of the game. Like, you know, when you see kind of dirty play like that, not that it's, you know, there's a play that is going to enrage the other team. Like, you need something to chill everything out.
00:42:27
Speaker
And like, that's what, that's what the straight red helps with. But in this case, it kind of softens it. Cause you're, you're just like, you know what, instead of having the TMO, we're just going to check and check and check. And the whole time the team that was agreed, that is agreed, is getting more and more frustrated with the whole thing. Like just fucking send them off. What the fuck? Like, let's get like, come on.
00:42:45
Speaker
Um, and the other teams getting mad at them being, you know, putting pressure on the referee. So it's like a whole buildup of energy. This is much better to just dissipate, like get the fuck off the field. We'll sort out, you know, in the background, what to do with you. I think everybody could be like, all right, fair enough. Let's go. Okay. Let's move on to the next thing. Right. That helps everybody move on quickly. I love that. That was really, and it helped the game. I thought it was better for it because he got his red, um,
00:43:14
Speaker
And we just moved on with the Crusaders just. Yeah, just rocked at that point. Yeah. And you're so fucking good, by the way. I don't know if you're aware. I'm well aware of his talents and how good he is. Besides playing on Nuku and maybe some obvious customers, one guy that stood out to me that might be a good sign for if you're a Crusaders fan is Noah Hotham. But yes, I. Yeah.
00:43:45
Speaker
Only 20 minutes, but man, that was a big 20 minutes for him. Well, he started the game the other week. Yeah, a couple weeks ago. And he played all right. So, no, this looks very good. Although, okay, that catch by Mitchell Drummond was something fucking else. Yeah. That should be a fucking highlight. That's one of those should be on a top.
00:44:10
Speaker
He's turning and retreating, like he was advancing. Now all of a sudden he's retreating and dives and just plucks it out of the air. What the fuck? That's- I got it. That's amazing athleticism. You love to see it. Honestly surprising, because I haven't really thought of him as that quality of an athlete. Oh, same. But holy shit, that was that pretty cool. Yeah, it was a great one. And then let's go over to Sidney Taas and Rebels.
00:44:41
Speaker
I, they, this was a lot closer than the score line probably says. Um, yeah, cause then the toss, get a couple of late, like pretty scored 79. Um, yeah, they, they, yeah, that, that really put it away. There was one earlier too. Um,
00:45:02
Speaker
Where were their tries? Maybe it was that penalty. Maybe it was the Donaldson penalty. Because the fucking rebels were coming back. They were pushing back hard.
00:45:16
Speaker
They were, but man, if I use yellows early, you got to stay out of the fucking bed. Oh, dude. Brad Logan had a fucking awful game. Right. Really bad game. He had the yellow and they knocked the one on the goal line. I think it was someone at the half and I was like, Oh, you stupid Muppet.
00:45:34
Speaker
Oh, I was like, oh, you're in so much trouble. I would kill you if you were my teammate. Be like, well, what are you doing out there? You're supposed to be a captain and you are doing dog shit. Right. Oh.
00:45:50
Speaker
Yeah, that was, it was a really poor game from him and a couple others too, but, um, he was the culprit. Carter Gordon continues to play really well, whether the rebels are putting points up or not. He just, he catches the eye almost every time. And it's not just because of the hair. Right. He needs more help because, you know, Hodge is not.
00:46:10
Speaker
like he's not tearing it up. He's not a threat to score a try. It's really down to Yewani and Calloway is in the backs. If anybody else can. OK, the great, great, great. But. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, Hodge did get over, but that was not a good line. But yeah, no. Yeah.
00:46:33
Speaker
Well, it was it was good. It was good mix up play, but I think that comes from Gordon. So right now. So that speaks more to him. That's like the 10 making the right decision as to who's who's the free man through the hole, like right? Everyone's running their line, right? Cool. Who's got the gap? Just let's find the gap. Mm hmm. Yep. Find the gap. Find the gap. And I thought.
00:46:59
Speaker
Yeah. And if you look at the two, the two gals, they're from County tries too. So that's just killer as well. It really is. That's true. You can't give them 14 points. No, no, no. And Mike, Mikey, Mike's finished was fucking unreal. Yeah. Any nonsense bullshit about him not being in the wall of a squad is.
00:47:21
Speaker
Nonsense. It's any Jones. So yeah, that's true. Yeah, that explains everything because he's he performed so well last year. I thought he was bloody good. Yeah. And then, well, I can't wait to see Yawani in the World Cup with the Italy squad, too. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. And now I'm a dog. But Paolo Dog move. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Finally happened.
00:47:50
Speaker
mamma mia. Exactly. And then over to Canberra. Denny Green. This was what we thought it was. Yeah, yeah. Kind of what I expected, you know, first to 40 wins, that kind of thing. But
00:48:15
Speaker
Although I know that shouldn't even said that, because I didn't think the Highlander. I did not honestly didn't think that the Highlanders would get 32. That they kind of shocked me with by their scoring prowess. But yeah, a lot of. Not terribly surprised. No, a lot coming off Bernhard's boot, but you know, um, Fakatawa getting one is shouldn't shock us. Good. It's really good to see John and Orecki back. Yeah. I know he came back last week, but still good to see him back.
00:48:43
Speaker
Tooj, again, really, you know, in a bad team, he's been a bright spot. So, you know, got to give him credit. Yeah, he's try was class. Right. And Lulucio is still angry. Yeah. He's still angry. And Tooj is, Tooj is the real deal. He's legit. He is. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's there's other choice out wide.
00:49:09
Speaker
Like Max Jorgensen was a bit of a mirage earlier in the season and has kind of been okay, but Tool, you know. Tool has surpassed him by far. Yeah.
00:49:20
Speaker
by far and like, no, I can, you know, I can back it up. Yeah. And tools a little older. So to true to give Jorgensen a break. And you would hope that Jorgensen would be able to adjust, but he just hasn't not the same level that Corey tool has. And yeah, tools a little older. So he's got that a little bit more experienced head in his true now. Oh, that's fair for him. So I thought they were both. I just, I honestly don't know. I think tools mid twenties.
00:49:50
Speaker
Oh, okay. No, tools 23. Okay. But still, I think he's three or four years older than Jorgensen, which could be all the difference.
00:50:01
Speaker
Oh, yeah, he's 18. Holy fuck. There you go. So he's so he's five years old in them. So that's five years more that he has. So there you go. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, Max is just out of. Yeah, he'll he'll learn. He'll learn. He's not realize he was that. There's a lot of going to do there. And he's you can see is clearly the talent has shown through for Max Jorgensen. And his time is not now, but it is definitely tools time. Right. I thought Jorgensen was like 20 to 21. That's where I was putting it. All right. Well,
00:50:31
Speaker
Fuck me. Yeah, I mean, makes you makes you feel kind of bad about yourself sometimes. Yeah, right. Like, it's like, well, I pass an 18 to 23 year old in the street, it's a little bit different than passing it, you know, like rugby playing this level. Yeah. At 18 versus 23. Real different. Rather different. And then let's jump over to
00:51:00
Speaker
The other one, the MLR, the one you wanted to go to. You get confused every day. What'd you do? I can't even remember the, no, fuck. I was doing the lyrics to. Okay. Now I understand. Now I understand. Um, yeah. So obviously we'll start with our, with our free jacks.
Free Jacks' Recent Performances
00:51:24
Speaker
I, was there ever really a concern?
00:51:29
Speaker
No, no, not in the least because it was like they were just they were just scored for fun. And then like, OK, you know, they kind of yes, they kind of went to sleep a little bit because it was like just kind of what the Chiefs did. They were like, yeah, we got this whatever. So they snoozed and then credit to to all glory for, you know, taking advantage of that.
00:51:52
Speaker
They could have been just, you know, fucking around and been like, yeah, okay. Then just completely demoralized by that point. Cause it was already like, you know, pre-jax had the bonus point when pretty much showing up if they didn't just completely shit the bed. And right. Oh, Gloria was like, well, maybe we can get you to shit the bed. And then pre-jax like now you can't keep scoring. All right. And, um,
00:52:21
Speaker
This is, he's been good all year. So let's not, let's get that right. But this is the Vianconrati we need.
00:52:30
Speaker
Yes. Going into the pointy end of the season here. Right. He's being a difference maker and expressing himself in positive ways. Yes. Yes. And he's done a lot of carrying. It's just it hasn't quite been the carrying that we've seen from him in the past. And this was certainly a step back towards that, which is what we want. Right. Yeah, it was a little bit like I'd see a lot of them, but not much of it was positive to now. It's like, wait, every time I see him, he's doing something
00:53:00
Speaker
positive getting there. And that's a, that's a good thing. He's, he's finding gaps. He's seen that the field a little bit better and you know, helps that there have 15 on the field more often. So include, right. He's been in been trouble before. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Staying out of the bins always helpful.
00:53:18
Speaker
Also, how are people under rating who out there is? Like I. I feel like that, you know, when they were talking about John Poland being referred to as underrated. Yeah. What plan are we living on right now? He's underrated. Really? Right. Who will know who the fuck is it? Who's doing the rating if he's underrated? Because yeah, I want to know who you are. And can I have one of your beers? Because you clearly are drunk. Right. Go home, sir. Or ma'am. And where it is.
00:53:48
Speaker
he's he's been excellent since he came up or came to them and um yeah yeah he's consistent yeah he's been maybe the the best like oh year to year you know for the last three years he's probably the best scrum half in the mlr across that just across that period right maybe there's some who have been better for a season here or there but just for one season or maybe two
00:54:13
Speaker
But he's been so consistent the whole time. And he showed in this game why we love him. Because, fuck, I would have been so annoyed by him if I was a decent fan. Absolutely. That guy the fuck again. All he does is fucking make it against us.
00:54:31
Speaker
Yeah, no, I I don't know who the hell is under rating this guy. He's he's he definitely should be top right with the top of the pile. Yeah, I mean, Matthew's absolutely right. If you know, I don't know who's not rating him high, but they're wrong. Yeah, you messed up. You don't want to go take another look. Yeah, boys come home this weekend. We'll be there. We will. Hopefully it'll be finally some decent weather, although the Chicago game was good. That was nice weather. I just I'm really still ready for.
00:55:02
Speaker
Uh, for hoodie season, I'm not ready to give up the floor. I mean, if it's like it was today here, then you might get your wish. That's true. Today was heavy weather. Yeah. Yeah. Although I, I do want to see some sun. I'm ready. No, no more rain, please. Right. That's not hot. Fuck that shit. Yeah. I know, man. I don't.
00:55:22
Speaker
Oh, you weren't at the one that was really gross a couple of years ago. You you missed out. You you were away. Oh, yeah. But yeah, I was doing something gross anyway. Yeah. So or being in the gross anyway. So yeah, me and Bill went and it was pretty, pretty nasty rank. Anyway, so with the fucking iron workers taking out the hounds getting there.
Competitive Matches & Team Struggles
00:55:46
Speaker
Or my, wait, let's just go backwards. Sorry, I'm going from from back to front. Let's I'll let you pilot this shit. Scary thought. We had a sister kiss up in Toronto. Arrows and ATLs tied 34. All Utah beat Dallas in Arlington. Dallas is getting better at least, but they're still finding ways to lose, which is not awesome. San Diego won a big one down in New Orleans.
00:56:11
Speaker
And a big one for Seattle, also down in Houston, they were able to take care of the savory cats, obviously our guys. And then, yeah, just, I mean, just went wide. This is, this is not a good team that New York has right now, let's be honest.
00:56:31
Speaker
You know, I think I think Chicago still still trying to find their feet. I mean, really, they only assembled what a week before the season started or something like that. They didn't get quite a full preseason like a lot of us did. So did did you see the Ed Fiddo after the map that like his his like butt fuckery after the match? I didn't see it, but I heard about it. Yeah, he he it was posted to the group check. It's indescribably.
00:56:58
Speaker
fucking ridiculous. And at this point, I'm starting to see it's starting to become a pattern with the ironworkers of, you know, their ownership has acted like
00:57:09
Speaker
shitbags the coach we've seen the coaching staff has acted like shitbags and now the players are acting like shitbags and it's like these players are like the hounds like realize where you're you know who you're playing against like first off you're fucking ed fiddo and look at where you this is where you are and you're gonna talk shit about a team that's like they're struggling they're they're hurting a lot and you're just gonna be a dick to them like
00:57:34
Speaker
Fuck's sake, did you get some class that really? Yeah, that was that was not cool. And yeah, of course, they're going to respond by coming after you like and then you're just going to go out of the way and it's like stupid. OK, so you're going to you're going to act like that, but you're not going to, you know, you're not going to stand up and take it because you're really just, you know, again, that's why you're here. Yeah.
00:57:57
Speaker
A little bit. It does, you know, that's why. And I don't mean that like for everybody, but it's why Ed Fiddo is here. Right. Because nobody wants, you know, there's. Yeah. Do we get another double yellow dummy? Right.
00:58:10
Speaker
Um, yeah, and the ironworkers are yeah, they're good. I'm sorry. I'm getting there. I'm starting to hate them, which I like. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. We're on, we're on the free Jack's number magic number, as we like to say, for you baseball fans is, um, 12.
Free Jacks' Conference Victory Path
00:58:32
Speaker
That'll guess, that'll guess the division or the conference. Excuse me. 12 more points. Yep. 12 more points. Cause the most that somebody can get.
00:58:40
Speaker
as of right now that could catch us is DC they would they could get 55 okay so the possible points that are on the board remember that so this that magic number will change as the weeks go right unfortunately i don't think there's any way that we're going to have
00:58:57
Speaker
a home game, even if although it sounds like it's looks like it's a neutral site this year for the chip, for the phone. I like that. That's helpful. I might know someone that lives in Chicago. So I used to work on Michael Michael invade their couch. Yep. I'm on a championship today. I see that's cool. All right. I'm in.
00:59:23
Speaker
Nice. You know, let me have like a few minutes. So I wanted to just put this idea out there. We know that the, I think we all, I think anybody that's listening to this and knows anything about USA, everybody knows that getting to Glendale is the biggest pain in the ass in terms of the US national games and that being like our site. Why not move it to Chicago?
00:59:47
Speaker
where you had many successful events based around rugby. And I understand it's not super central, but neither is Colorado. So that argument's out the window.
00:59:56
Speaker
Exactly. And then it's, and then at that point, it's, okay, what can we do? Well, let's try something at SeatGeek. And if it works, great. And if we build it up to something bigger, like at Soldier Field, then awesome. You know, we got to, yeah. Cause getting to Glendale is just such a pain in the ass. And you'll never, you're never going to create an environment there like you can at, you know, basically any, like look, even look at when we play your way down there.
01:00:24
Speaker
Yeah. And the environment they created down there, not a chance we create that. And in Glendale, not a chance. So but that's that's my thoughts and. Maybe I'm on point, maybe I'm way off, I don't know. But that's just that. Yeah, I don't. No, I don't think you're wrong. Hooray. OK, that's that. This is this.
01:00:55
Speaker
Ravi Pod done, we're gonna move over to the fancy corner of it. We're not gonna do the, we're not gonna do the prem of the year. No, we're not doing that yet. Fucking nuppet. Told you before. I keep asking, I've had mine ready for like weeks and I'm like, oh my God. Congratulations, I have mine like half ready. So that definitely wouldn't happen right now. Oh, for sake. Deal with it. Actually, I don't think I'm completely done, but either way. There you go. Say, look at that. You and your big mouth.
01:01:24
Speaker
Yeah, we're going to head over to the fancy corner here. We obviously have much to talk about. Shut up over there, you. If you're not joining us over there, we do appreciate you for hanging out with us and listening to us for a bit. Fancy rugby podcast at gmail.com for any questions, all that good stuff. Keep your eyes peeled for our open-ended question stuff for episode 200.
01:01:45
Speaker
If you head over to the fancy corner, we'll see you there. Have a good one, everyone. Enjoy the finals coming up this weekend and enjoy all the other radio. Have a good one, folks. Later.