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Navigating Sneakers and Media with Samia Grand-Pierre
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This week I am joined by Samia Grand-Pierre, who co-founded the Snobette. We touch on how being a multi-hyphenate opens doors. What it was like to represent female sneakerheads in the early days. Also we touch on how High Snobiety created The Snobette. Working in the sneaker industry and how she was able to speak to certain audiences. Where sneaker and streetwear media came from and where it is now and a ton more.
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Transcript
Influence of Blogs on Media Industry
00:00:00
Speaker
It's the attention economy, right? and And I think because blogs sort of kicked the media industry into gear, you know, we sort of became the, we we became the model for lifestyle media in many ways, you know, like I remember when Vogue started to feature SZA, this mixtape, you know, it was like, huh? You know, and that's when that's when ah it was more about the clicks, right? Because the blogs were getting all this traffic because they were covering a space that mainstream publications weren't. So that's where um the importance came and Complex was
00:00:45
Speaker
really early in the building a media platform and at one point we became part of the complex media platform um and then when they decided to fold high snob that we launched snob that yeah independently in like 2013 right yeah
Introduction of Samia Grand
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Speaker
What's good, everyone? Welcome back to My First Kicks. This episode 269. And this week, we have not only a patron subscriber to the public to the podcast, but ah somebody... I have to have to you know give you and Lois ah a huge, huge shout out for believing in me ever since I started this um back in the clubhouse days. Yes. But welcome to the podcast, Samia Grand.
00:01:33
Speaker
Thank you. Or is it Samia? It's Samia Grand. Oh, okay. My bad. Yes, so the full name is Grandpierre. Grandpierre. But it's, let me say it correctly though. It's Samia. Samia. There's somebody else I know who has, somebody, ah her name is Samia.
00:01:55
Speaker
Yeah. And that's why I'm messing up. Now, but you know what? Like when I moved here, like it was always difficult for me because like we speak French. So it's like it's Samia. But then because sometimes people would write Sonia. Yeah. I was like, oh, it's Samia. Yeah.
00:02:12
Speaker
But then it's a whole other pronunciation. And they would hear my parents say, so they were like oh, your mom calls you Samia. I mean, that was the whole thing. I had Anique on here. And we talked about like rec reclaiming our name.
00:02:27
Speaker
Because my name is phonetically spelled Hassan. And like there's Hassan Minaj. And he yeah only has one s But like my dad never was ever like, no, your name's Hassan. He was, no, your name's Hassan. I was just like, name's Hassan. I didn't know there was a difference. yeah But I do think it's like when you're an immigrant or, you know, you come from an immigrant family.
00:02:48
Speaker
um we talk i talk about this all the time, like assimilating and not trying to not yeah trying to push people and make people uncomfortable. You always just want to be like, no, yeah, my name's John. You're like, no, your name's Joan or something like that. No, it's true. And then the time sometimes it takes and then like people feel bad and I'm like, it's OK.
00:03:07
Speaker
um But ah I know you have a ah oh long list. ah ah Your resume precedes you. So. Done a lot of things. Yeah.
Samia's Career and Challenges
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So ah for people who may not be familiar with you, can you please introduce yourself to them? Sure. um So my name is Samia Grandpierre. I'm one of the founders and editors of Snobet Media. um We've been around for quite a long time and also work in marketing and fashion, little bit in art, and and I've done some work in music too.
00:03:44
Speaker
Wow, I didn't know that last part. Yeah, yeah I managed Tai Zhu, a rapper for I think about almost two years. That's crazy. Yeah. it there it's I was at this. And I worked as a stylist too. Okay.
00:03:59
Speaker
Jeez. I was, ah when I was at this thing last night at the compound, they did a Spotify pop-up with ah with a talk series. I saw that. um And yesterday was like their talk series. And so we, like one of the questions was like, ah who feels they are multi-hyphenated, right? And like,
00:04:19
Speaker
when When I heard that question, i was always I'm always like of this train of thought of like um some people are a jack of all trades and a master of none. And so like once once you start you know adding in like, yo, I could do this or I could do this, I could do that, or I could do that. like do Do you ever feel like you stretch yourself very thin? um Or like were you always good at like managing your multi-hypernates? I think there's different. I think for me it was just.
00:04:47
Speaker
Curiosity, um you know, having an interest in fashion and knowing that like, ah you know, i I don't think I want to be a fashion designer necessarily, but then being able to assist and work as a stylist. And then, you know, you work in marketing, you work in retail, you know, and then you meet people and you're like, you know what, let me.
00:05:09
Speaker
Try this, you know, and let me do that. Because like if you've managed people, managing talent is similar, it's just a focused way of managing. So there's that. And then there's the whole world of media, yeah like working, building Snobet with Lois. So like that's where marketing came in. So things sort of weave into themselves. So it wasn't necessarily something that I felt like I had to do. I think it just became.
00:05:40
Speaker
part of It became an asset that made me allowed to build things. Like, for example, if we were interviewing someone and like, oh, you know what? i We know showrooms. I can pull some pieces. I can style something. So it just made us really self-sufficient.
Focusing on Strengths vs. Dabbling
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mean I mean, Felicia Hatcher, who's with Black Ambition, um she talks about, she did challenge that idea of being a multi-hyphenate. She did um really talk about really owning your zone of genius. Mm-hmm. is what she talks about. which I like that term. Yeah. I'm about to start using that. So I was like, okay, you know what? You're right. Because it's true. Do I necessarily um want to focus on all these things at once? Probably not.
00:06:34
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They're just tools that I can just bring out when I need to. yeah i hope you've been enjoying this week's episode with Samia Grandpierre. And of course, you can help out the podcast by like, subscribing, or leaving a comment. And if you're watching this on YouTube, hit that hype button.
00:06:52
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00:07:22
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Patreon.com slash myfirstkicks. All the money goes right back into the podcast and helps me continuously go into the studio and, you know, add some extra really cool stuff that I can. To the podcast, there will be, of course I have Patreon exclusive episodes, once ah one extra episode a month or whenever we hit a milestone. Right now we're aiming for 20 or 15 or 20 patrons.
00:07:49
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Then I can do another episode with a previous guest, hopefully. um But really, really appreciate each and everyone for tapping into this week's episode. So let's jump right back into it. i need to. Yeah, and I don't know, like over time, obviously, like I work in advertising, podcasts, right? Like I do a lot of this stuff myself. um So I am a multi-hyphenated, but I think the most, there was a moment in my time where I kept trying to do stuff for other
Journey in Graphic Design and Media
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people. And because you're you're relying on that person to come up with
00:08:29
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Basically, your creative output, like it it does become taxing because you're like, all right, now got to figure out the next person who I can work with or this and that. And to me, ah there was a moment where I was just like, you know, I'm tired of giving everybody ideas. I'm tired of like, you know, like people. like Yeah. But I. um i was like you know I was doing posters for comedians. I was helping everybody. Also, you draw. Not draw, but i i'm a I'm a graphic designer. like I taught myself graphic design. Oh, wow. Everything that I do now, like I've taught myself. I went to school for print.
00:09:04
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I talk about it on here. i worked at Time Inc. for a little bit. Nice. I know how to print. and so In that process of like getting my degree in print, I went to i was like taught i taught myself Photoshop and taught myself how illustrate or all that stuff. And I kind of like, my my whole thing was like, oh, if i if I teach myself graphic design, I should be able to print my stuff my own self myself. So...
00:09:31
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I was thinking in the right way, but then i in terms of just like, oh, yeah, I'm going to make my own thing. But then I ended up never capitalizing on it until till this point now. And so there was just a moment in like my brain where it just like clicked where i kept calling myself ah a jack of all trades and a master of none. But I kept being like...
00:09:53
Speaker
i'm a jack of all trades because i can do everybody else's stuff but i've never done my own thing and once i started doing my own thing it felt more fulfilling so i accepted the multi-hyphenated thing because now i am you know i am a creative asset manager i work in advertising and i'm also a podcaster and i like and i wear that badge proudly yes because ah one of the things was like if you're one of the things i've always preached myself but i never really ah bought in was ah squeakiest wheel gets the
Sneaker Media Evolution
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oil.
00:10:24
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yeah And so if people have to know what you want and your intention. So yeah this is how, you know, we came to my first kicks and yeah all this, but like, you know, you talk about your, your were marketing and the snob bet and like high snobiety starting off in high snobiety with like, like, I don't know where we are with journalism right now.
00:10:46
Speaker
But and I do feel especially within fashion and and sneakers and streetwear. um I feel like we have a lot of opinionated people. But yeah. And we also have a lot of people that think they know what they're talking about, but don't really like there's no research behind it. And some people don't step back and be like, yeah, you know, this is this is right or wrong, you know. So it's like, I don't know.
00:11:12
Speaker
I don't know if that like gets you want to go back or more. Oh, go back to where we were before. Like, like, well, jumping back into it I think it's like the genesis of that world. Right. The blogger era is was really fueled by passion.
00:11:30
Speaker
Right. And and it's not necessarily something that at the time i know for me personally, it wasn't something that I was thinking of monetizing, you know, because it's something that I can say I discovered. I think Lois was writing an article for Footwear News. I was working at Reebok at the time. um night She was doing I like a little photo of myself wearing Reebok pumps. What were you doing at Reebok at that time? So Reebok used to have a concept store um on the Upper West Side and that was like S. Carter era. So like when Reebok was hot and there was like the G unit sneakers. So I was worth doing visual merchandising there.
00:12:12
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um and that was like my first, like, I would say like big girl job. was doing visual merchandising. I was one of the managers. It's one of my dream jobs. You know, that's the craziest thing.
00:12:24
Speaker
This is one of my dream jobs because I was like, when I was working retail, I worked for ah Dylan's Candy Bar at the time and I was always putting in, you know, job application for like Uniqlo. Yeah. Because I was like, and it was always visual merchandising. I'm like, yeah I just want to dress these these mannequins. i want to I want to be able to, you know, a color color coordinate the entire floor. Yeah. Yeah, no, I have a whole retail resume that I don't even talk about that much anymore. Yeah, once you get it into corporate America, it's like you've never worked retail. Yeah. somebody said something. It's like, you know, but that was the thing. So working at Reebok, um not necessarily, I think that opened up my curiosity also. And that's when Lois was writing on Chicks with Kicks. Mm-hmm. And I remember reaching out to her um and,
00:13:16
Speaker
you know, having exchanges with the founder of High Snobiety. And then we became a column called Chicks with Kicks. And really, again, it was something that was for us a way to express and feature um What we saw in the culture, new sneakers. And then little bit after, i remember David approached us and then we did a High Snobet. I remember Lois and David liked the name. I didn't. For some reason, I thought it was too cute. um
00:13:51
Speaker
So we did High Snobet and we did a lot of really, really interesting things. Like I remember doing Lakeley 47's first interview That's you say her LaKaylee? Yeah. I've been saying it wrong. How do you say it?
00:14:06
Speaker
i think I would be like Leilani or something like that. Oh no, it's LaKaylee47. Like I remember like literally in the basement of SOVs with like my little Sony ah power shot and like taking a photo of her because she was wearing the the the mask. the mask yeah um We call them something else now, the shysty. Oh, yeah, yeah. When she used to do the the ski mask. Yeah. Because then now she evolved it to the bandana. And now she's revealed her face recently. So I think the the genesis of that world was really fueled by passion. You know, it's like we were finding things we had like our Google readers and we were like, highlighting things. At the time, people weren't reading footwear news. you know And Lois being a news reporter in that space, that helped us guide, think, a lot of our coverage. Me loving fashion, so we were weaving that
Representation of Women in Sneaker Media
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Speaker
constantly. And we weren't, being women, we knew that we couldn't just be sneakers, sneakers, sneakers, sneakers because like over time, like the woman consumer doesn't really move that way. Like women are not necessarily wanting to look at sneakers all day and really being connected to streetwear. I think there was much more of a lifestyle and of a culture and there were a lot of things connected to it. So it's like,
00:15:37
Speaker
you know, there was this particular type of makeup brand, you know, it's like you could almost build the brand of what the streetwear, the woman streetwear lover was into. Yeah. And then you could expand on that. So our content reflected that. And because it's like we were passionate about it, the things that we featured were mostly news, mostly novelty.
00:16:03
Speaker
And because it also wasn't about us, which is different. You know, I think a lot of other platforms, like for example, there were hybrids, like there Nitrolicious back in the day, Wendy, you know, icon on her own right, like it was much more of personality.
00:16:24
Speaker
her views, her likes, dislikes, but for us it was much more of a, it was more, and i yeah I can say it was more journalistic in a sense. I think that would be the you know most accurate. you know like It was much more, and then you know i would say because Lois works in finance, I think it
Finance in Media Approach
00:16:47
Speaker
helped. um to guide the way that we featured things and the way that we wrote about things. um I think it was a little isolated in the beginning, but now I hear people talk about earnings and i was like, come on. We used to be in our clubhouse room because like no one used to talk about this. Like literally I've been writing about sneakers and fashion for like decades and like, Lois was the only person i knew in that field. yeah
00:17:17
Speaker
And that did it with that cool edge of just like knowing what's what. Being in earnings call. Knowing the streets. You know what I mean? Like being outside. So... yeah I think for us, it was really built from this idea that we wanted to cater to the woman. And we wanted to to feature things that we wanted to read about. You know, it's like um I remember when Gucci reached out to us the first time, you know, because that's really what happened. Right. You had Google Google. You had um SEO and all these things were coming in and brands were starting to realize also that, wait a minute, these blogs, you know, they're important. right Because people... yeah wrote Real quick, if you don't know what SEO means, search engine optimization, if you...
00:18:09
Speaker
Just had to jump that in because some people, we we start throwing terms out. Some people be like, I don't know what that means. Search engine optimization. If you Google something, ah for example, you want the Gucci, you want to put Gucci, you you look look up Gucci as many times you can mention Gucci in a in ah an article. It's like that's where it's going to show up at the top of the of the search engine. Exactly.
Blog Culture vs. Influencer Trends
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And for a lot of brands, like we were coming up, like i remember for Alpha Industries, you know, like for their jackets, their bombers, we were like number two, you know, because like, think people were still shaping what they're paid and what all of that was looking like. So blogs were amazing because like at the time you didn't charge for a post. Yeah. So it was very much like you were excited to be part of this conversation and then you start to get invitations to things, you're getting sneakers. And it was similar to what I think influencer culture has become, except that for us it was much more, it was less consumption. yeah
00:19:19
Speaker
So it wasn't necessarily... I'm shopping, I'm buying, I'm unboxing. It was a lot more news. Yeah, information. Going to trade shows. Which is what I miss. I miss that.
00:19:34
Speaker
I'm keeping this in. I miss that. like I'm one of the... What really got me into... like spending a lot of time on the internet was more of reading and being insightful like i would i'm always combating other people who don't think that they themselves can also be a source of truth because it's like back in the day like we would share these conversations we would share information and now we do that in five seconds on our phones And so it kind of dumbs down the importance of being correct all the time or being like purposely putting something out. Right. And so now we've gotten to this the way that the world is now. And when it's like.
Gossip in Sneaker Media
00:20:18
Speaker
When I used to be on like sneaker news, I was or like either going on sneaker news, going on complex to just like or you know, high sobriety, hypebeast. Like I was there for the information. I wasn't there to to to read if Kaisenet was going wear an Air Max. Like I it it's become like the shade room TMZ, like super very like gossipy. And that and takes the fun out of it because then it takes the way it takes away.
00:20:46
Speaker
our chances to kind of like influence our so our our people around us, right? Yeah. Well, because it's like it's the attention economy, right? and And I think because blogs sort of kicked the media industry into gear, you know, we sort of became the we We became the model for lifestyle media in many ways. you know like I remember when Vogue started to feature SZA's mixtapes, it was like, huh? And that's when that's when ah it was more about the clicks, right? Because the blogs were getting all this traffic because they were covering a space that mainstream publications weren't. Right. So that's where um the importance came. And Complex was really early in in be building a media platform. And at one point, we became part of the Complex media platform. um And then when they decided to fold High Snobbat, we launched Snobbat independently in like 2013. right yeah and y'all been we need more people paying attention to this now that it's you know what it is i think sneaker culture street wear culture cause like they're they connect that one point but they're not the same yeah um and I think that
00:22:16
Speaker
when i think When I think of how that space evolved, like I remember just how toxic like hypebeast comments used to be, for example.
Challenges for Women in Sneaker Culture
00:22:25
Speaker
yeah And that's also the evolution of that culture, right? Because it wasn't necessarily to use a a safe space for women. you know like There were always women into sneakers, into hip-hop, into streetwear, but there was really no space for a lot of these women to go. Like female sneaker fiend, like we were talking, used to be us at sneaker pimps. But you know the the women at that time they weren't also
00:22:57
Speaker
the people in charge of putting people on, you know, whether it was the brands, whether it was the big publications, they also... Like the gatekeepers of that? Or you say above that? think decision makers, you know, because when I think of, because that's a pushback that like we used to even get because the way that, like what does a female, woman sneaker person look like. yeah You know, like, what do they look like? What do they wear? And if you look at, you know, the picture I was sending you, um female sneaker fiend, like at its essence, it's women who are passionate about sneakers. And there was a little bit of a simplicity too yeah in it. You know, it's like people wore their outfits, but they were mostly women of color. Mostly a lot of them were plus size. Some of them were queer yeah and when you look at the picture of the sneaker if if someone were to sort of build the prototype of what like a sneaker girl looks like it wasn't those women no yeah it was a different look it was a lot you know and again there's a broad spectrum but i think the person who's making the decision of who are we going to photograph Their vision is a different person. You know what I mean? It's like there there was a time where there was a lot, for example, of inclusion of designer. It's like, okay, it's the cute girl with her Jordans, her cool jeans, her little Louis Vuitton bag, and maybe her cute, like, bomber. Yeah.
00:24:35
Speaker
That's, you know, now everyone has access to everything. But back in the day, a lot of these women were from the inner city, you know, were athletes. yeah or and it So it wasn't that curated look. And also, like, even during that time, a lot of the stuff, if you just even see the reflection of, like, the you know, ah just celebrity, like any, time like what the, the, the celebrities that was being pushed in front of us at all times during ah those instances, they would like, this is, this is this is just making sure that, you know, we want these type of people here. Oh my gosh. I have emails of people being like, Oh, you know what? You could, you could do better if you featured, if you went, how did the AML Yeah. you would go a lot further if you ah expanded you know on the women that you feature. wow um You could do way above the demographic of the women that you're featuring because it's not something that like Lois and I ever We just like connected.
00:25:44
Speaker
Our brains just agreed. Like we're both Sagittarius's. I think we just had that meeting of the mind that we were going to highlight women that we don't see highlighted. and at the time it was like the hills, you know, there was refinery 29 and there was a lot of talk about,
00:26:04
Speaker
that look what that media looks like as opposed to what we were doing that was a lot more underground you know was a lot more emerging it was a lot more real you know and for me it's like if I'm at the train station and I see a girl with blue braids matching her Jordans I don't care whether she's a size 2 6 or 14 oh you're cool yeah but that's not that girl doesn't necessarily get now we've evolved right there's inclusivity but at the time it was a real thing and I think Kixi can probably talk speak to this um um you know talked about we talked about it you know but but it's talked about it um where it's like the I mean i just think it's just like well one when it's when it comes to women in sneakers
00:26:56
Speaker
all women are going always getting pushback because it's a male-dominated sport. I mean, even if you even if And i've I've talked about this on here. Like, even though now... Well, I didn't talk about this on here. I've had several conversations leading up to this, which is why I wanted to have you on. um we I still have to ask you the question for the podcast. um But ah I've been... I noticed that, like, obviously my demographics skew very heavily male. um And I know that... And I've always said this, like...
00:27:26
Speaker
Sneakers are is a male-dominated sport, and it's like, you know, men it's men will men are just crazy when it's like it's like, oh, I feel like you're encroaching on my thing, right? And so, it we are in we especially like growing up, it was like, oh, you don't like sneakers. Oh, no, you really ain't about sneakers. So it's like it's harder for for women. and i try to you know my so My little platform that I have right now, I'm always trying to be like, okay, who else can I talk to? But I...
00:27:55
Speaker
I think that it's so easy to be discouraged and why would you want to love something that doesn't love you back? And it's like so hard to continuously like prove a point every single time you have to step out. Like like there should be more acceptance in general when it comes to that. And i think that like,
00:28:20
Speaker
You know, just i mean, dudes are just like, even if you you feel if you feel like somebody's coming in correct, there's no moment there's no ah moment of giving grace in order to feel like, yo, you know, hey, this is wrong. Like, you should probably, like, you know, fix this type of attitude, right? Everybody's just like, nah, he's right. you She don't know what she's talking about. Like, no, man, take it easy. Yeah, but also, I think...
00:28:46
Speaker
I think there's a lot of, because like I remember we started talking about this. I think some of it is cultural and it's in it's ingrained um even in like our power structures. you know like Today I posted a video of Rihanna talking about the importance of women's voices. And that's something I remember...
00:29:07
Speaker
um on Clubhouse that became um almost like a practice where people were like, okay, the stage is full of guys. Like, let's make sure that we have women and things like that. Or sometimes you can have a space that's a little bit, you know, maybe it's a little raunchy or maybe it's just very loud. And it's like people sometimes get, it's like you get in the sort of like locker room space and you forget that like, wait a minute.
00:29:36
Speaker
Like there's a different way to look at this. And I think it's also based in curiosity, which, you know, I don't even want to necessarily fully gender it. It's sometimes just being able to be curious yeah because sometimes the woman is only brought in when it has to do with women. Right. And somehow we trust that men can design for women. that men can like build things for women and then the woman is brought in Like, you know, you'll look at a lot of these streetwear brands, for example, will have women's lines. But then there's a lot of women who design for men and do it really well. Right, yeah.
00:30:17
Speaker
But no one ever really talks about them. Like the designer for Hermes has been a woman, the creative director for many years, for example. Like Cactus Plant. Yeah.
00:30:28
Speaker
Crushing it. You know? Yeah. i I think it's like people are naive when it comes to something like that because it's like they're like, oh, yeah, men men can ah men should be able to design something that they want to see women in And you're like, hmm.
00:30:46
Speaker
Because remember when you did chicks with kicks and it was girls with sneakers and thongs on, you know, like there was a time where that was the, that's what would come up yeah because like the space didn't even allow for the girl that was wearing her jeans and her sneakers. And that was a collector. yeah So it's also, it's who gets to shape. Cause that's, that's, that's the power of media also because like,
00:31:13
Speaker
Now we're listening to people who might just be ah clout chasers. Oh, yeah. You know, and and they're shaping opinion. Right. And in some ways...
Media's Role in Cultural Representation
00:31:29
Speaker
I can almost say that they're shaping culture a little bit. And that to me is why media is so important and why it's important to have independent media because we're at the point now where economics, you know, and like, okay, a big sneaker brand is going to have a monopoly on how much they could spend in advertising and how much they can do in just like paying for editorials. So you're seeing this brand over and over again. And someone might be building a sneaker brand somewhere else that doesn't have the bandwidth, the amount of the budget. That brand automatically doesn't get that visibility. And that's where independent media, I think, can come in.
00:32:14
Speaker
But then again, the finances of independent media, because then where does the revenue come in? Because then you're not charging per post. You're not, you know, like we've been, we've done like really cool things. Like we did a fashion show for the Smurfs years ago. we built a...
00:32:35
Speaker
NFL collection. Wow. um We've interviewed people. We've done events and things like that. We've worked with a lot of music artists and we're able to do partnerships and do events and build revenue that way because we also operate as a creative studio yeah and as an agency. And that's been a really cool way to do business yeah as opposed to...
00:32:57
Speaker
um you know, always sort of doing sponsored content. Yeah. Which is what everything is now. Everything's sponsored. But this question is not sponsored. But you can sponsor the question. ah But you're here to answer the question that I ask everybody each week. And that question is, what's your first kick? What's that first pair of sneakers you absolutely needed to have? Ugh.
00:33:18
Speaker
You know, it's such an interesting question. I still have a photo of myself in them. It was a pair of light pink Converse all-star highs. And at the time, was looking at a lot of like, we're living in the Caribbean, we're living in Haiti. And like when my parents traveled, they would bring like teen magazines. And that's where I used to see like, you know, the teen stars. Like, was it Big Bopper, Teen Bob? You know what mean? Not Kids Bob. Teen Bob. I forget their name. What was the name of it? There were a few of these like teen publications. I remember. Yeah. And it's like, you know, they would do like customized like sneakers. And I remember for some reason I wanted a pair of pink Converse. Yeah.
00:34:13
Speaker
yeah taylor Chuck Taylors. Taylors. Did I say Freestyle High? No, you said Pink Converse. Yeah, Pink Converse. And then working at Levi's, ah working at Reebok, I really got into Reeboks. But I think the first pair that I bought with my own money, i remember in college, it was a pair of... um Terra.
00:34:40
Speaker
Terra Yumara's. Nikes. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was like a trail sneaker. Because like I did wear sneakers. ACGs? Yeah, no. it was The Terra Yumara was like its own. There were some really cool colors. There was like a gray and orange. And there was one that had like a silver blue with black.
Sneaker Culture's Mainstream Evolution
00:34:59
Speaker
um And that was something that I think I bought. Yeah, that I think that was the first pair that I bought.
00:35:07
Speaker
um And then when I started working at Reebok, I think I really delved into sneaker culture and like I had so many pump Omni lights and ventilators. Well, and also brands were more generous at the time, too, because we would get a new pair every month.
00:35:27
Speaker
So I was there for a couple of years. you can do the math of like how many pairs of sneakers and then brands were also seeding. doing Snobat, like orre getting sneakers and and it was very, yeah, had a lot of sneakers. You rid of everything?
00:35:48
Speaker
I downsized a lot. a lot. um And like it was fun because like my mom, um ah she used to wear them.
00:36:01
Speaker
um Like I used to give her um the pumps because they were comfortable. yeah um And she used to, you know, just like Caribbean lady. Yeah. with her colorful sweaters and her trousers with a pair of pumps. And she's like, yeah, kids complimented me.
00:36:21
Speaker
Um, That's awesome. On the subway because she is she was in Canada. um and She's over there pumping. She was there. Yeah, no. And and that was that was like fun. Like there was this zen swine. Like she had like because at one point I just couldn't keep everything. Yeah. So she was the recipient of a lot of like my collection, rocking them in Montreal with her outfit. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. You turned her into a sneaker. She didn't even know.
00:36:51
Speaker
She didn't even know. She didn't even know. Yeah. The, like, sneaker culture, i mean, you got to see probably, like like, you saw it become, no, you saw it as it was a secret language. And then it evolved into this beast that it is now. um Was there ever a moment that kind of, like, really stood out to you where, yeah like,
00:37:16
Speaker
the transition of like, oh no, this is different. Like, I mean, since you were documenting it. Yeah, there was a lot of different moments. um I think, cause you can look at, I can look at it in different ways. I think once our access changed, that was a, you know, like when you had luxury brands and, and sneaker brands reaching out directly, sending you images, because like back then it was about who can get it up first and who can get it, you know, and then you had to figure out who didn't have a watermark and all these things. So it was about that. and So that I think was one.
00:37:56
Speaker
sort of tiers, like when sneaker brands started to really work yeah with the blogs. yeah And then you had fashion that was a different tier. And then you had um just like overall media also changing because then you started to realize that like, like I remember looking at an issue of Elle magazine that had Jordan 4s in it. Mm-hmm.
00:38:23
Speaker
That sounds insane. You know what I mean? And it's like, you know, like Nike had a Sprint sister. I think the sneaker was a gold sneaker with a red swoosh, you know, and then that. mean, sneakers have always been, you know, have always existed. But like the culture itself, like there were different moments where it started to just become mainstream. Yeah.
00:38:47
Speaker
But then it's still... Like it would it would pop, it would I would know like the, oh, this was a moment, like a pop. And then it would kind of just go away after that. There were moments and I think you can almost time, you can almost think about what was the sneaker. Mm-hmm. of the time you know like because i think when i think about like reebok for example and the whole s carter g unit like that that was a moment in itself yeah you know of just like collaborations and it was like
00:39:21
Speaker
rappers had sneakers like there was a daddy yankee you know what i mean it was just like i think little wayne had one like i remember there was an episode of my fabulous life and they came to the store and i had to like style the wall and got like chains and things to sort of deck it out so that they could do their b-roll and things like that so Even that, you know, like rapper sneaker collaborations. I mean, Jay-Z having a sneaker. yeah Then you had ah ice cream. hu
00:39:54
Speaker
So there were different moments, um I think, in the culture. And I think for me, what what I remember also is also how the importance of the culture. Yeah.
00:40:08
Speaker
how much people paid attention and then what used to be isolated and then what now became news and now it's like oh we're not the only ones writing about this anymore right yeah that i don't know if it was this i don't know if i miss it being a secret secret language i don't know because like I was a weird kid growing up, I guess.
Personal Journey in Sneaker Community
00:40:31
Speaker
yeah um you know watched anime. You'd have to, anime, comic books, all that stuff, like trading cards. like you Once you find your tribe, you find your tribe type of thing. But sneakers was one of those things where it was like, you had to prove yourself for real.
00:40:45
Speaker
um And it was like, you know being on the lines or you know people have to know you at certain point. and yeah i don't know i don't know where it is now in terms of that point. yeah I think and what it is too, like I remember because I i didn't do cues. my god It wasn't um that for me. I think that this cue that we did, i remember it's when ah Nike dropped the um the wedge.
00:41:16
Speaker
think it was called this. wedge. Remember when they was doing wedges for everything? You know, like when they dropped... Was it a dunk? I think it was a dunk sky high, I think it was called. um They did like 18 different colors of those things. You know, and then there was married to the mob. Oh, Then there was the claw um blazers, you know, because like the the women collaborations were few and far between. Yeah. So for women, I think the culture evolved differently because for us, and that's something that like we always do, we also include fashion sneakers. when we do like, Noah does the the sneaker awards because it's really looking at the whole culture of sneakers and not just remaining into just athletics. Because like there were times where there was a Lanvin, was it called? The circle? There was a Lanvin sneaker um that everyone was wearing. Then there was the ballot.
00:42:20
Speaker
The like Osiris ones, those? there was what It had like fat laces. Yeah, those so they they were like they were based off of the Osias D3. Yeah. What was that? Was it called the Circle? I forget the name of that sneaker. But like, you know, they were sneakers like that. Then there was um the Balenciaga era, you know, of designer sneakers.
Engagement vs. Insight in Online Opinions
00:42:47
Speaker
you a sock shoe person?
00:42:50
Speaker
Almost. I never like actually pulled the trigger and bought a pair. um Then there were the the big, big runners when we went to like the the dad sneaker. oh yeah um And I remember seeing them and thinking that they look cool. But for me, I always had the thought, I was like, those are too big. I hate them.
00:43:13
Speaker
That's not for me. i But its it's a legitimate part if you're looking at sneaker trends overall. You can't exclude um you can't exclude like a Martine Rose now yeah shocks. You know what I mean? like I think it's just like, I mean, but that's like, people do have to understand that like,
00:43:32
Speaker
I have my personal preference, but I'm also like, I'm not discrediting what it's done. Like I, I never, I'm never going to go on here. Cause I will see this a lot. Like, especially now people will just go on and get on a microphone and be like, Oh, sock shoot. The, the, the Balenciaga, Balenciaga runner never had a ah moment. And you'd be like, uh, but that's the reason why they're doing that is because they want the people to comment and they want the people to be spend their time arguing with them. Right. Like,
00:44:03
Speaker
we've gone, and I mean, this is probably calling back to what I said in the beginning, but we've gone so far away from what's actually really real reporting or real, you know, somebody giving you an actual fact, right? It's more, everything seems like it's more of a way to kind of get people to engage more. Exactly. It's like when people were bashing the pandas, for example, and I remember traveling like 6,000 miles to go to Seoul DXB in Dubai and seeing people.
00:44:32
Speaker
in the pandas yeah you know and when something like that happens you have to acknowledge that the shoe was important you know whether it became you know too popular is a different story but you have to acknowledge the popularity same thing with the samba like You might not like it or you might be tired of seeing it. But I think if you're looking at reporting what is popular, it has nothing to do with like my personal opinion. And I think sometimes those two things get mixed in. And that's where the objectivity, i think, goes out the door because now it's much more about opinions. Yeah. As opposed to just like factual, like literally look at people's feet. Like how many times, like I remember I did a little Instagram story at that festival and it was wild to think of the amount of people that were wearing a sneaker in a colorway. Yeah. Like that to me is, those are the things like it reminds me of that book, Tipping Point, you know, and just like how these movements happen. Like to me, those are things you can't ignore. Like if you're really serious about documenting culture and like really on reporting, like you have to pay attention to the world around you and not just stick to like what you think, you know? And that's where i always say that like sneaker culture and streetwear,
00:46:05
Speaker
sort of meet somewhere but the cultures don't move the same no because like if you had a streetwear brand for example that allowed you to build community and then you got a sneaker collaboration yeah i mean awake for example exactly you know like yeah like again you're creating what we're calling now an audience or whatever right but it's actually community like with something like this like i'm like yeah i'm building community like i'm having conversations with people this is not necessarily like you know i'm trying to sell somebody something right but it's like
Streetwear vs. Sneaker Culture
00:46:39
Speaker
that's where ah like creating community is where you draw a line of like i'm different than what what we're what we're seeing in every day because it's like
00:46:49
Speaker
people come to specifically interact with the rest of the everybody else that's also partakes in this, but also the main person that they're really looking to, right? um the The way that like,
00:47:04
Speaker
This moves now, especially within streetwear. Like, I don't know. There's so much different. everybody Some people think they're fashion or more fashion forward. Some people think they aren't. And it's like, I don't know.
00:47:17
Speaker
I remember when streetwear was more punk rock than Do It By he Yourself. Yeah. You know? And it's I think we're kind of going back to that a little bit. I think so, too. But I also think... um manufacturing movements is part of like a thing that people are looking to in order to make like their motion per se like they're they're looking to manufacture a moment where everybody's talking about them and then from then you capitalize on that and now you have a brand but it's like
00:47:51
Speaker
I don't what it what it was before was like yo I got a bunch of cool friends I think I got this idea we all just wear this stuff and then it goes from there I mean I always say the FUBU method right where it's just like you get you get you get your cool friends to wear the one shirt in it yeah in their videos and you're you're good to go you know that that was more of just like everybody's taking that and mag like magnifying that into like a gajillion different ways Yeah, because I think at its, always say at its core that streetwear, and that's something that we always talk about, is that streetwear in its purest form is a subculture.
00:48:31
Speaker
And it really is something that had a lot of issues.
00:48:37
Speaker
embedded in it and it was that mix of skate, punk, hip hop, yeah um surf and and it evolved a little differently because it was also there was a little bit more fluidity Within streetwear, I think sneaker culture can be very rigid. And I think it can attract a different type of person. um Streetwear was a lot more artful. Yes, 100%. And that's where I think the two sort of separate because you get more like art kids, more creatives. People taking chances. People taking chances. With sneakers, there's rules. Exactly. And it's like, ah it leans a little bit more athletics. um And that's where I think you can get a lot more male.
00:49:28
Speaker
um But then when you look at streetwear, you get a lot more art, you get a lot more open-mindedness, um more creativity. um I think of like Scott from 10 Deep, for example. i think of a lot of these brands that, you know, they'll make a t-shirt And if you know, you know. Because it's not just words. Sometimes it's an image. Sometimes it's a little Polaroid. Bobby hundreds with the atom bomb. So I think that's the part of the culture that I think is... see it reshaping itself, but I think...
00:50:09
Speaker
Because people have seen the success of brands, I think there's more of an economic incentive too yeah behind
Authenticity in Content Creation
00:50:18
Speaker
it. And because trends have become so much more important, it's guided even what people make. So it's like, okay, do I really want to make something because like that's just my creativity? Mm-hmm. Or am I going to make something that I know is similar to this other thing that's sold? That's the... that's the ah I mean, i I call this out all the time. It's like, are you making are you creating for the algorithm are you creating for yourself? exactly And so if you're just copying and pasting somebody else, then...
00:50:55
Speaker
Like I always say this. I just go, I just go, I hope you find yourself one day. Because it's like if you're just taking somebody else's thing, then it's not yours. It never was yours because you're just copying what somebody else, whatever, what somebody did successfully. You're just like, oh, now I can do this for me. And that doesn't always work. You can buy the same stocks. They're not going cost the same at the end the day. That's why I always say that like authenticity and consistency will take you further. Like you might not go viral. I mean, that's why we've been around for as long as we have because we've remained consistent. There's a lot platforms and different platforms.
00:51:36
Speaker
elements that have come in and have gone but even in brand building if you can just remain consistent and remain authentic you know it's like not doing something just because of because and i'm not gonna say don't take money but i think i think the money will find you think the money will find you i think It really depends on what you want to build. You know, I think for people who want to build brands, of course, you you you have to think of the market. You have to think of the ecosystem that you're putting this thing in. Like, is it going to make sense? How am I going to talk about it? And I think sometimes people just do too much. Yeah.
00:52:17
Speaker
I agree. Hey, multi-hyphenated. You know, but do too much even in terms of what they make, you know, like I'm like, I don't need 15 pieces. yeah Do you have a cool hat? Let's do that. you have a cool pair of socks? Let's do that. Like it doesn't have to be 15 piece collection and then you're stuck with your inventory. Yeah.
00:52:38
Speaker
I think if you do the one thing, you do it at the highest of level, then it goes a long way. You know, exactly um you know i I'm always curious of just like when it comes to journalism now um and continuously, you know, pushing the snob bed and not not not letting it, ah you know, fade into the background. um What keeps you...
00:53:02
Speaker
What keeps you and Lois? Shout out Lois. If you haven't yet, check out my episode with Lois Decaney. But like what keeps y'all both actually like just continuously pushing along and, you know, not being bitter versus like seeing other publications and seeing the opportunities some other these, you know, publications have gotten.
00:53:25
Speaker
think it's knowing that it's rooted in authenticity. you know like For me, it's always been about highlighting um emerging talent. you know Of course, there's things that you can't ignore. like we We've always been fans of Rihanna from the beginning. like We have a tab on the website dedicated to her. yeah um Because we knew early on that she was going to be someone special and like we've been proven right. um
00:53:59
Speaker
But I think there's a lot happening that is not shown that people don't see. So for me, that's some of the the work that I enjoy doing. It's like... There was a woman making beanies ah inspired by album covers, you know, that she was knitting. And it's like that might not be the most viral post, but that's creative. It's original. Why not? yeah You know, or sometimes there's people that have been doing something for a long time. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, no one's interviewed you or there's very few interviews um of someone. So, yeah, you know what? Let's do that. I mean, we built Snob at Sounds um
00:54:48
Speaker
to highlight women in music specifically, you know, especially with women rappers and and that. me more Need more eyes on that. You know, like we have a whole YouTube channel. We've interviewed a lot of musicians. We did a partnership with Fana Hughes a couple years ago.
00:55:07
Speaker
so I think it's just continuing to be curious and just understanding how culture is changing and also how media is changing because like those are not... um they're not all the same. I think one weaves into the other. Like I think the way that sneaker culture is evolving, um the way that content is evolving, you know, there was a time where it was again about having it first. Now it's not necessarily about having it first. It's really about who your community is, you know, because like I can look at the reception that we get on a post versus a platform that has triple the followers that we have.
00:55:56
Speaker
Our followers are more engaged with that specific content. right So I think it's much more about...
Niche Media and Global Connections
00:56:03
Speaker
I think niches are still important. you know Not everything needs to be for everyone. like i don't think that That's the part that I don't think media needs to be like generalists. yeah like It's like pick a lane. And I think in our own way, we've we've picked a lane yeah and and we've stuck to it.
00:56:25
Speaker
And that's what I think has given us the longevity. you know It's like we've didn't we didn't delve into the how-to world. yeah Because like to us, like we've always been clear that our girl is the girl that's on the mood board that you're looking at, that you're like, oh my gosh, she's fly. like She's the leader in her crew, yeah so she doesn't need help. That's let' see that's that's I love that. I love that. um so towards the end of the podcast, I got ah another question i ask everybody each week. Also um deals with a little visualization. Once you think back to young you, I'm not I was going to say your name again, but I was like, i'm I've already got it. It's okay. I was like, i'm I don't want to mess it up a second time. No, please. But you're young you. ah You're about to get ah the Chuck Taylors, the pink Chuck Taylors. um Now you're older you, behind your younger self. What would you tell younger you as they open that box?
00:57:26
Speaker
Ooh. What would I tell her?
00:57:31
Speaker
You know what? Follow your gut. Continue to trust your instincts. Because they're going to lead you to some really cool places. Yeah. Dubai apparently. yeah But that's the to me like that's something that like that was such a because they were before ComplexCon you know and I don't know that people know that because they're so far away yeah um in the world but They were a platform that I was always fascinated by because what to me was always interesting and what streetwear was always really cool about is that you had that commonality.
00:58:12
Speaker
So as much as I felt it, I didn't have proof. And then when I got on Clubhouse, I connected with people. Yeah. And I was like, wait a minute, we listen to the same things. We like the same music, even ideologically, which you can't really say with sneaker culture, because sneaker culture can go, you know. yeah You know, like, because it it, again, like going back to how these cultures evolve, you know, and it's a lot more, i think, streetwear can be.
00:58:44
Speaker
in in its highest form can be more exclusive for and and more diverse. So that's really what led me to um attend and to really find like-minded people, you know, in a place I'm like 6,000 miles away. Like we can talk about music. We can talk about clothes, you know? And and and that's the beauty of the internet too, you know? Cause like, exactly we, lot of people shit on the internet and like,
00:59:12
Speaker
But it does make the world smaller, but it also connects you with people who are super far away. And that is something that expands. Like, it it opens up your world, yeah like your world, your personal world. But it also is just like...
00:59:30
Speaker
it lets you It lets you experience other people's lives because we know what it is to be an American. We know what it is to be an American. Exactly. yeah Exactly. Yeah. Like, shout out to Sharif, ah Heidi, Iman.
00:59:43
Speaker
That's my little crew. Yeah. and in Dubai. But yeah, it's like meeting people and realizing that like we just met, but we have a bond. yeah and And that you can still evolve those bonds because like even though you haven't spoken about a lot of things, you can almost feel that like, oh, we agree yeah on this base level. There's a common thread. And and to me, that's the beauty
01:00:15
Speaker
of this culture at its best. That's how get people to sit down here. You know what I mean? Like that's really, it's that, you know, that like you can really have that connection. Yeah. Let everybody know where to find you.
01:00:31
Speaker
um if you can find us on SnobBat. SnobBat Style, SnobBat Sounds. um We're on all platforms.
Podcast Support and Social Media
01:00:40
Speaker
yeah ah As you can see, we got a bunch of bunch of books over here. Yeah, I brought some history.
01:00:50
Speaker
we didn't get to really tap in, sorry. No, that's fine. But i want it what page is it? Oh, the Best of the Best. yeah Hold on. I got it. You got it.
01:01:01
Speaker
I know I was in sneaker freaker. Yeah. That's like a throwback. hey I need to get this in here. Here we go. Damn. but ba yeah Legendary. That was the Basquiat Roland Berry Freestyle High. h i still have them.
01:01:22
Speaker
Very fire shoe. Thank you for pulling up. Thank you for having me. You know where to find me, who is Hassel. Also, you need to follow the podcast, My First Kicks Pod. Hit up the Patreon. Patreon.com slash My First Kicks. Only got one tier, $5. Hopefully, you get a ah another episode so i can do more work for me um uh on top of that you know if you want to write in info at myfirstkicks.com you can hit me up with your your uh my first kick story i'll read it on ah an episode and i'm gonna kick it off to myself to do the outro peace i hope you enjoyed this week's episode with samia grandpierre you know
01:02:04
Speaker
I had a lot more questions about the state of women within sneakers and women within streetwear that I wanted to ask Samia, but I kind of really enjoyed just the track we were on during this conversation. um That's why we got, it took so long for us to get to the question. But I really wanted to sit down with Samia because she has been through a ton of what we think is currently the state of sneaker media or fashion media. i do feel like we've gotten into
01:02:46
Speaker
you know really relying on the complexes, the high-snobbodies, the hypebeasts, all these pages that used to be blogs that kind of just are now just these media moguls. um And it kind of takes away from the impact of that it has on culture. And you know once we started going down that lane, I really wanted to really call to and speak to a lot of what she's been able to witness and her coverage and her and Lois' is coverage using snobbed as a platform to give real journalism and kind of, you know, point
01:03:27
Speaker
people into the direction of what real influence is and not what we currently see and hear and view and any type of sense that we experience every day. And so this was a great conversation, in my opinion. And, you know, listening back to it, it's really hard to to figure out what clips to go with for this week. But I was really ah kind of focusing on the state of media with this. And, you know, I came away with that, with this episode, kind of like wondering what I can do to kind of you know, not to kind of like,
01:04:09
Speaker
Expand my voice because as you know, this podcast is mainly me interviewing the guests and asking, so you know, insightful questions or hearing about their journey and using sneakers as a through line. And so I do want to keep that as that. I want to keep my first kicks, my first kicks. I want to keep it this podcast. that I sit down with anybody who could have either the smallest inkling of love for sneakers to being in a devout sneakerhead and one of the OGs or or even people that just really, really love sneakers. And so this will always continuously be the main thing and I'm all still working on what I can do to kind of build around it. And so
01:04:54
Speaker
After this episode, I kind of mulled it, and I've been sitting on this plan of whenever I would have time, i would make kind of like a video essay. And like, you know, I started with adding a newsletter to the Patreon, but then i had a newsletter just delete itself, and it kind of like deterred me from continuously writing again. But I am going to try to bring that back ah when I have time, and when I feel like I'm I want to write stuff, stuff. But I'm planning and in the works, and hopefully when this comes out, um I'm in the works of starting another channel, another YouTube channel. Mainly it's going to be only on YouTube, and it is going to be Who is Haas.
01:05:40
Speaker
Kind of to just give a voice to me, myself, and and why I come up with such views on what think... views on what i think is missing or what I think about hobbies, culture, music, like a ton of these things that I do touch on by having the the people that I admire on the podcast, which is crazy. ah And i just want to kind of have like a, on top of a well-informed ah conversation, I also kind of want to share more than what I am sharing within the podcast because I only have
01:06:21
Speaker
because of how conversations flow and how I am my personality-wise, like if you ever meet me in public, I'm um i'm there to hear you. Like i I'm trying to figure out how can I learn more about the person in front of me. So with that, I'm more intently listening. And if you watch me during during episodes, you'll see I'm intently listening. And that takes away from me trying to input myself into the conversation, in like a ah grander thing, right? um Hopefully,
01:06:50
Speaker
in the future when I can expand these episodes to maybe like an hour and a half or something like that, then that will give me the the leeway to kind of add myself a little bit more into it. But as I'm trying to get towards specific portions of people's lives, it does take away from me. So it's just like i' I want to put a little bit more of myself out there so that it can bring back more concentration to the podcast as well. So, and this is something that people have been asking me to do in in terms of just like adding myself more within the podcast. so
01:07:30
Speaker
I'm saying all this just to kind of tell y'all I'm launching another YouTube video series thing page, and that's going to live on who is Haas. And so I will probably plug it ah when like more efficiently on my socials, but it's going to live on YouTube, and it will only live on YouTube, and I will, once that starts becoming more of like my everyday, like in the week of my my workflow, um that's going to be incorporated into the Patreon, so make sure, and and i will I'm going to start you know putting up episodes day early on there. I'm trying to give more Patreon subscribers more incentive because it is very crucial. um
01:08:18
Speaker
You know, it's only $5 currently, and I'm still trying to build it out. I'm still trying to make time to add that extra stuff. I'm still trying to make time to you know support the community that supports me and also show up to newer things and experience newer newest things and try to be as much as I can everywhere as much as I can. And my presence feel, you know, present as much as I can as well. So I appreciate y'all for tapping in, but please subscribe to to Patreon. And because if you subscribe to Patreon, you will get shouted out at the end of an episode.
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Speaker
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01:09:11
Speaker
So start off. We got Derek Hawkins. We got Derek Lipkin. We got Sean. Sean hates you. We got Samia, who is on this episode. Crazy. um We have Jesse. Jesse G. We got Adam Butler. We got Ross Adams.
01:09:27
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um Adam Neustadar. We got Brett. And we have Plox, and i did I say Jordan Kaiser? Jordan Kaiser. I feel like i and and I said somebody twice. So shout out to you if you got a double shout out. ah Please continuously support the Patreon. I know there's not a lot going on. ah Oh, actually, if you got to the end of this episode and are a Patreon subscriber, i will also put this into Patreon.
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And of course, you know what we say each week. Wear your kicks. Peace.