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S1-E37 : The Dark Arts and False Narratives!
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It's Tactics Tuesday here on the Daily Arsenal podcast, brought to you on the Global Sports Podcast Network, and this week, the lads, instead of going stat heavy, are looking at the recent rhetoric around Arsenal 'Inventing' the dark arts, why it's always us, and other false narratives.
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Guest: Jamie Patterson
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Transcript
00:00:09
officialgspn
Hello and welcome to the Daily Arsenal Podcast, brought to you as part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. It's Tuesday, which means it's time to engage in Tactics Tuesday. And this week, I'm joined by a valiant and well-informed guest. It is Jamie Patterson, everybody. Jamie, how are you, my man?
00:00:27
Jamie
yeah all good all good you know what i decided to kind of change my setup a little bit normally i have the headphones on but i was like nah today we're going to go for a different approach today so got the mic here i'm glad to be back you know tactics tuesday we've got a good we've got a good one this is going to be a really good episode
00:00:46
officialgspn
is gonna be an interesting one. And you actually, you know it's one thing, this computer doesn't have any speakers on it. I feel like I look like an egg that's been trapped by some prongs whenever I'm doing these podcasts. I look ridiculous with these massive headphones on, but you look Jamie looks bangingly smooth, everybody. So Tuesdays are days, as I'm sure you all know by now listeners, where we break down analysis from the world of football at large and Arsenal in general. They're often pretty stat heavy episodes and very analytical, but this week we wanted to look a different theme, which seems to have taken the world of football by storm. And that is the dark arts and how apparently Arsenal created them. um We're also going to look at general narratives that get painted about our club, ah whether we're worthy or not worthy of the slurs that people throw at us or if it's just jealousy. So, Jamie, to start off, first of all, when we talk about in very heavy air quotations, the dark arts, what do you tend to think of in regards to the dark arts?
00:01:44
Jamie
Hmm To be honest, I'm not ah like for me everyone kind of just revolves it I don't know if you've been seeing a lot of videos but around like Harry Potter and and a lot of like wizardry and Medicians and all that kind of stuff but But
00:01:53
officialgspn
yeah
00:01:58
officialgspn
Our tetta is Voldemort basically is what everybody's saying at the moment.
00:02:02
Jamie
Basically, that's what everyone's saying online.
00:02:02
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:02:03
Jamie
like That is basically it. But to be honest with you, I quite like the dark hearts. I like this little ah like this little twist because not a lot of clubs can sit there and boast about how they've got something odd about them.
00:02:20
Jamie
But for us, it's the dark hearts. And yet, I quite like it, to be fair. I think it just gives us a little bit of a ah unique kind of... I see it as a unique kind of perspective.
00:02:31
officialgspn
the The way I look at it is we know how to defend.
00:02:35
Jamie
Yeah.
00:02:35
officialgspn
That's it. So I was reading an article in The Guardian by Max Rushton and he explains that from a cursory Google, the definition of, again, the dark arts is outrageous gamesmanship that will help you and your team win matches.
00:02:37
Jamie
Yeah.
00:02:53
Jamie
I mean, it hasn't pretty much described Arsenal.
00:02:55
officialgspn
Yeah, we just play outrageously well. And it's such a weird thing. I mean, when you look at it and sort of like the actual breakdown of how people do it, it's slowing a game down and wasting time when you're in an advantageous position or if you need to buy yourself a little bit of time to gain momentum again.
00:03:06
Jamie
Yep.
00:03:14
officialgspn
Now, Jamie, search your mind. You've watched football for a long time, okay?
00:03:17
Jamie
Of course.
00:03:18
officialgspn
Is there anything in the rules about slowing a game down?
00:03:24
Jamie
Not that I know of.
00:03:25
officialgspn
but What's the problem?
00:03:26
Jamie
I don't see what the big problem is. It's just, do you know what it is though? It just seems like it's Arsenal. Everyone needs to have an agenda against Arsenal. So you know what? We're we're just going to, we'll throw the dark arts at Arsenal now.
00:03:39
officialgspn
Yeah, this is what we're going to get into in a bit.
00:03:40
Jamie
I, I was going to say, I see it as, I see it as, I for some reason see it as some kind of jealousy.
00:03:43
officialgspn
a
00:03:46
Jamie
I just see it as jealousy.
00:03:48
officialgspn
It is. is apps ah This is what I think as well. Because in the second section, we're going to talk about how for some reason, obviously, all clubs will say that they're badly looked at by other fan bases.
00:03:59
officialgspn
I mean, admittedly, United at the moment, everybody is laughing at them. But I mean, they were beaten by Spurs at home. That's pretty that's pretty rough going. actually No, let's say, let's say as it probably was, they were dismantled by Spurs at home.
00:04:09
Jamie
That is very grim. Yes.
00:04:15
officialgspn
By the way, did you see the Mickey van de Ven run?
00:04:19
Jamie
No, I didn't actually.
00:04:20
officialgspn
mate you've got to watch the higher so van der it's the first the first goal i know we're slightly off topic but i've got to talk about this because even though it spurs i have to praise this marcus rashford is he get he takes a touch of about 10 yards and van der vend just dispossesses him halfway inside his own half he runs 60 yards up the pitch no one from united goes anywhere near him
00:04:22
Jamie
I haven't had a chance to see the highlights.
00:04:28
Jamie
Yeah.
00:04:38
Jamie
No. No.
00:04:45
officialgspn
to the point where he can get to the byline, play a ball back to Brennan Johnson who is unmarked at the back, no left back near him and they slot it in for the first.
00:04:49
Jamie
What?
00:04:55
officialgspn
It's an amazing run and assist but United were shockingly back.
00:04:56
Jamie
Wow. I mean, I heard about I heard a lot of people saying, oh, well, Brendan Johnson was smiling before before the ball even went into the net and so on.
00:05:06
officialgspn
He was, and you would be.
00:05:07
Jamie
Crazy.
00:05:08
officialgspn
it was Anyway, back to the dark arts. Sorry, I just had to talk about that goal because it was hilarious. ah So when I think of the dark arts, I think of two instances in particular, and i I feel like this term was coined in sort of like 2005-ish.
00:05:25
Jamie
Yeah.
00:05:25
officialgspn
So when Mourinho first came to Chelsea, That's when people started talking about, oh, he's got, he's killing the game. He's, he's playing all defensively and well, and he's slowing the game down. Do you, I mean, like you said before, you don't mind it when teams play well defensively. I don't see what the problem is, frankly.
00:05:46
Jamie
Do you know what? It's so true. like Like I touched on it before, it's just it is pure jealousy. I think when when you look at this Arsenal team, and you um i'm sorry but you look at our defence, and I mean, just with Gabrielle and Saliba, you could then, you know, vouch for Callifiori and Ben White and Urien Timba.
00:05:51
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:05:57
officialgspn
Oh.
00:06:10
officialgspn
Timber.
00:06:11
Jamie
I mean, oh my gosh.
00:06:11
officialgspn
and I mean, admittedly, admittedly, we did waste a lot of time against city.
00:06:16
Jamie
Right.
00:06:20
officialgspn
However, we were down to 10 men away from home.
00:06:24
Jamie
A lot of people fail to understand this, like what exactly, exactly that.
00:06:26
officialgspn
What you expect them to do?
00:06:30
Jamie
And I mean, again, going back to the United game, you look at everyone says, oh, well, why couldn't United, you know, what what were you not playing at? Well, united united like it's just it's it's not going to change is it but um yeah let's hope we have more the years of 10 arg or or should i say 10 hog um it
00:06:40
officialgspn
Yeah, exactly. yeah
00:06:50
officialgspn
Look, mate, I'm looking forward to when Southgate takes over, frankly, I can't wait. I think that'll be absolutely hilarious.
00:06:55
Jamie
will
00:06:57
officialgspn
Southgate coming into them. um I also do think, when I think of the Dark Arts, about Pepe and Ramos at Madrid.
00:07:03
Jamie
a
00:07:05
officialgspn
But that's more in the sense of just being really brutal players.
00:07:10
Jamie
Yeah.
00:07:11
officialgspn
I mean, rat how I can't remember the exact figure. I'll try and find it in the break. The amount of red cars that Ramos picked up for Real Madrid.
00:07:18
Jamie
that It was ridiculous, wasn't it?
00:07:19
officialgspn
I think it was a record, wasn't it?
00:07:19
Jamie
Absolutely ridiculous. There there there is a record line around somewhere. i we We need to dig that up somewhere. But I mean, again, you look at going back to the meaning of outrageous gamesmanship.
00:07:34
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:07:35
Jamie
You know, pepei was Pepe and Ramos that were kind of that, were pretty much the definition of that. But again, you know, you look at defenses in general and, you know, not a lot of defenses can boast that about the outrageous gamesmanship.
00:07:50
officialgspn
No.
00:07:52
Jamie
Some people will will be tactical about it. But I think with with Arsenal, you look at, again, you look at the defense. I love the versatility. And again, I just think with with Arsenal, we we just we're we're a lot more sharper, but the thing is, with us, we can be outrageous, but we we have that limit of outrageousness.
00:08:15
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:08:15
Jamie
We don't have the outrageousness where ah um you know so a running through and we're we're goingnna tackle we're we're just going to blatantly tackle them. like There is a lot of smart thinking behind it.
00:08:26
Jamie
You look back at Saliba against Villa,
00:08:29
officialgspn
Yeah, brilliant.
00:08:29
Jamie
You know, a lot of people might say that, you know, you might have the few that say, Oh, well, it was a bit outrageous, but the majority of us will sit here and say, well, actually that was unbelievable.
00:08:30
officialgspn
Brilliant.
00:08:38
Jamie
What a tackle. So, you know, a lot of people are going to have their opinions on, on our small so-called dark hearts. But like I said, oh I love it. Who who doesn't love it?
00:08:46
officialgspn
Yeah. Jock guys, bring it on. We don't care, frankly, because who's still unbeaten?
00:08:51
Jamie
Basically.
00:08:54
officialgspn
Arsenal. So we're better than you.
00:08:57
Jamie
Well, yeah, there you go. I mean, steady don't worry, City fans, I know you'll be listening on this and I know that you'll be saying, oh, well, we've got we've got an unbeaten run as well.
00:08:58
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:09:06
Jamie
Well, yes, we're putting that out now, but, you know, could have been a different story over the weekend, couldn't it?
00:09:08
officialgspn
yeah
00:09:14
officialgspn
And of course, Jamie, City have never wasted time once in any game that they've played in, have they?
00:09:18
Jamie
Oh, of course, yes.
00:09:20
officialgspn
No, because that' they're perfect, they're ideal, they're paragons of ideal gamesmanship.
00:09:26
Jamie
course
00:09:27
officialgspn
Absolute bloody joke.
00:09:27
Jamie
of course
00:09:29
officialgspn
Anyway, that's us discussing the Dark Arts. When we come back after this break, we're gonna actually talk about how, ah kind of as Jamie alluded to earlier, how narratives seem to stick at Arsenal in particular.
00:09:39
officialgspn
So we'll be back just after this quick message from Zencaster.
00:09:50
Jamie
Of course. Of course.
00:10:31
officialgspn
And welcome back to the Daily Arsenal podcast. um ah During that quick break, I did have a quick check on Ramos' red card record. um In his career, he got 29 red cards, which is an incredible amount.
00:10:44
Jamie
Wow.
00:10:45
officialgspn
However, is that you guys wouldn't have seen this, but during the break, I pulled a face of shock, which Jamie saw.
00:10:50
Jamie
Yep.
00:10:53
officialgspn
He's the second dirtiest player of all time.
00:10:57
Jamie
Oh my gosh.
00:10:57
officialgspn
Gerardo Bedoya has 46.
00:11:03
Jamie
Wow.
00:11:04
officialgspn
I'm gonna, again, in the next break, we will have a little look more at this Gerardo Bedoya because that is phenomenal in terms of red cards.
00:11:11
Jamie
Wow.
00:11:13
officialgspn
But going back to the topic in hand, we're we're getting easily distracted on this podcast, but for hell with it, it's Tuesday.
00:11:17
Jamie
Yeah.
00:11:20
officialgspn
It's all good. um In terms of the dark, because it very much the con, The discussion this week has been Arsenal invented it.
00:11:30
officialgspn
Arsenal are a dirty team. I saw John Stones coming out and saying that Arsenal played the game unfairly.
00:11:35
Jamie
Night.
00:11:38
officialgspn
And I just, I get the impression, ah especially with what we talked about last week, about Harland acting up and throwing the ball and getting in Arteta's face. I get the impression we're really getting at City.
00:11:50
Jamie
rattled that's all that's all I can say clearly we we're still rattling in their heads we're living I'm telling you we are living rent rent free
00:11:51
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:12:00
Jamie
Well, you know, cool, everyone has to pay for their rent, but nah, not Arsenal, nah, we're not paying for rent at City, nah, nah, nah, nah.
00:12:04
officialgspn
No, that's a little bit.
00:12:08
Jamie
I think it's still it's still irritate it still irritates them to this day, and obviously they will want some form of payback.
00:12:12
officialgspn
Hmm.
00:12:15
Jamie
I mean, during the week, Pep came out and kind of, like, had a little attack at Arteta's comments saying, that they're going to go, that we're going to war.
00:12:26
Jamie
So, I mean, look, bring on, bring on the the home fixture, because at the end of the day, we are, we are at home. Thank goodness we are at home.
00:12:35
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:12:37
Jamie
But I just think, yeah, since, ever I mean, since that game, it's just, it's rattled City. And I mean, you look at the weekend and City weren't really playing the greatest of football, but
00:12:50
officialgspn
They really won.
00:12:52
Jamie
You know, I think Arsenal have now, I think really now since... since Arsenal have now gone to City and have performed so well bearing in mind we were down to 10 men it's also now probably inspired other teams like Newcastle you know maybe even ah I don't know I can't really think of another another team but you know a Brighton or a you know them kind of teams even maybe a Palace orer or a or a Bournemouth even you know teams like that will look at Arsenal and be like wow okay well if
00:13:25
Jamie
We, if they could go to the Etihad, play the way they played. Surely we've we've actually got a fighting chance now.
00:13:32
officialgspn
it can be done is what I'll have shown it can be done.
00:13:33
Jamie
Absolutely.
00:13:35
officialgspn
And I found that going to war comment really interesting because obviously it came on the back of our tetta saying I was there for a long time.
00:13:39
Jamie
Mm.
00:13:44
officialgspn
I know how things work.
00:13:46
Jamie
That that I love that comment.
00:13:47
officialgspn
Yeah. Now, i I saw that when I first read it, I saw that as, oh yeah, he he knows how Pep likes to play, he knows the way his mind works.
00:13:54
Jamie
Yeah.
00:13:54
officialgspn
But a lot of people have sort of been just staring the pot a little bit and goes, he knows something about the 115 charges.
00:14:00
Jamie
yeah Yeah, that's the one.
00:14:01
officialgspn
it you Calling witness number one to the stand, Michaela Teta.
00:14:07
Jamie
Yeah, exactly that.
00:14:10
officialgspn
Coming with a massive, I can see him coming with a massive binder just going, yep, we're going to dismantle you now.
00:14:10
Jamie
Exactly that.
00:14:14
Jamie
I feel like, do you know what, he's probably, you know what, I feel like he's done right. He'll probably contact like Sarnay. He probably, that's why he's brought, he's probably brought, that's why he's probably brought Sterling. Cause he's like, right.
00:14:25
officialgspn
Give me the dirt.
00:14:25
Jamie
When we, when, when city's hearing comes out, I've got Zinchenko, I've got Sterling, Jay Zeus. I'm ready. I can call my best mate, Sarnay. Can probably call up a few others.
00:14:36
Jamie
Yeah. I'm ready. I'm ready.
00:14:40
officialgspn
I love that idea that he's just collecting city rejects just to bring them down in a court case. But as well, when when it comes to Arsenal narratives, there's a lot of things that have been said about Arsenal.
00:14:53
officialgspn
Bottle jobs, young guns, um not strong enough as well, not physical enough. In terms of the bottle jobs, do you kind of get it or are we past that now?
00:15:07
Jamie
I feel like we are slowly, I feel like we're slowly starting to pass that bottle job kind of phase now. Yes, it happened last, you know, everyone's going to talk about last season and two years ago.
00:15:18
officialgspn
Would you call would you call that a bottle job though last season we came second to City by a point Yeah
00:15:22
Jamie
To be honest with you. Yeah, to be honest with you, i wouldn't I wouldn't actually call that a, but I didn't think we bottled the league. No, absolutely not. I mean, compared to two years ago, that's different, but the fact that we were a point off City, again, City could have slipped up in any of their games.
00:15:34
officialgspn
yeah
00:15:40
Jamie
Yes, Arsenal could have, whereas, you know, we we drew to Fulham, we could have maybe have gone and beaten Fulham at the Emirates. Them two, you know, two points makes the difference.
00:15:50
officialgspn
Yeah, massively. And also on the weak team front, this is something that I think is now completely gone. Much like you said earlier, the defence is one of the biggest, nastiest defences in Europe, you could argue, especially when you look at adding Calipheoria in there, because he is a giant of a man.
00:16:00
Jamie
yeah Yep.
00:16:08
Jamie
Wow. I mean, when, when going back to that city game and he started, I was a little bit like, Hmm, okay. You know what? Interesting. But it didn't make me sit there and think, Oh man, like I am a little bit worried.
00:16:20
Jamie
Like I just want us with you. Our tech could throw any of them players in a back four. And I would sit there thinking, you know what?
00:16:27
officialgspn
We're good.
00:16:27
Jamie
We've got this.
00:16:28
officialgspn
Yeah. Like, obviously, we're playing. So we're recording this on Monday night. We play PSG tomorrow. There's a there's a chance color fury might be out and it could be kivy or coming in. um I, I still don't think he's a bad player.
00:16:40
officialgspn
But I think that's where the drop off happens.
00:16:43
Jamie
Yeah, I mean Kivior, again, do you know what? Kivior has proved himself in a few games. So, I mean, again, with Arteta, he's always said about players that don't get much game time.
00:16:55
Jamie
It's all about patience and just waiting for your opportunity. Again, I would love it if Callifiori could play, but it is PSG. And, you know, if Kivior was to come in, so be it.
00:17:08
Jamie
ah You know, you know if he if he could go out there and have a good game,
00:17:08
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:17:13
Jamie
i'd be I'd be one for it.
00:17:14
officialgspn
I mean, I'd love to see any player coming in and having a cracking game. And look at the Bolton result. We had a few youngsters. I have to say, Miles no Skelly looks very good. He looks, I know everyone was going about when Yerry obviously, cause he got two goals, but he looked brilliant at Skelly.
00:17:24
Jamie
Quality player.
00:17:27
Jamie
Yep. He does look really good.
00:17:30
officialgspn
Hmm.
00:17:30
Jamie
Really good.
00:17:31
officialgspn
And anyone who's happy to square up to Erling Harland gets my respect immediately.
00:17:31
Jamie
I can.
00:17:36
Jamie
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. No, I couldn't agree with you more on that.
00:17:41
officialgspn
Anyway, we have discussed the sort of the things that get stuck on Arsenal. When we come back, we're going to have a look at breaking those old stereotypes and just a little bit of a look forward and sort of how we can really punish those who look down on us. So we'll be back just after this message from the Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:18:35
officialgspn
And welcome back to this last section of our Tactics Tuesday on the Daily Arsenal Podcast. Just very quickly, looking at the Wikipedia for Gerardo Bedoya. He was nicknamed the Beast, and he holds the record for the most red cards received by any player in the history of the game.
00:18:52
officialgspn
ah Retired in 2015. He played, I looked at it mostly in South America, but he was a nasty player.
00:18:56
Jamie
Fair enough.
00:18:58
officialgspn
Very, very nasty player. so is that obviously there's quite a lot of hypocrisy that's been thrown around this week I think because there's been teams coming out accusing Arsenal of playing dirty much like it's over John Stones when it's just a way of playing football and we we talked about it being under their skin but ultimately is this just the fate of football clubs who are on the up they're going to be targeted by everybody and sort of like smeared effectively to try and delegitimize them
00:19:29
Jamie
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you you think back to maybe before the Artessa days, we weren't no we won put under this limelight of um ah the dark hearts and and so on. We were just a team that would go out there, play our football, when win, draw, lose, get on the team bus, go home, happy days.
00:19:52
Jamie
But I think now that teams are slowly rising on the up now, it suddenly seems like, especially for the big clubs, they don't like the fact that a Newcastle or a Brighton seem to be doing so well when all of a sudden now it's now, we we know I think now we're just nitpicking
00:20:04
officialgspn
Hmm. Hmm.
00:20:13
Jamie
i think a lot of lot of big clubs are now nitpicking really at anything any of the little clubs that you know might do but even start nitpicking on each other and again it it's clear to see that City are just nitpicking on Arsenal right now look at the end of the day be grateful that john you know what I'm sorry but John stones if you are listening be grateful you got a point against Arsenal because your shot could have blew your shot could have gone above gone gone wide gonna got there could have gone above the bar
00:20:13
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:20:26
officialgspn
Yeah. Ha ha.
00:20:42
Jamie
Look, be grateful that you took a point from Arsenal. like ah Again, the fact that the city are really trying to... I think they're just trying to get under Arsenal's skin. And realistically, we're just sitting here thinking, okay, your point?
00:20:58
Jamie
like what What are you exactly trying to make?
00:20:58
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:21:00
Jamie
Because we've forgotten about that game two weeks ago, but yet you're still bringing it up now. Drop it.
00:21:07
officialgspn
I find it so the reason that I chose this as the subject for today's tactics Tuesday is because when you look at football press, in particular, sort of like other podcasts that are going around, things like, you know, the study of podcasts, the rest is football podcasts, and you look at Sky Sports News and things like that.
00:21:20
Jamie
Yeah.
00:21:25
officialgspn
it seems to be all they're talking about is Arsenal and that game.
00:21:28
Jamie
Yep.
00:21:29
officialgspn
Despite the fact that, you know, we've we've had a week now, there've been two games since then for both teams as well. You know, Arsenal got a good win at the weekend, a lucky win, potentially, a bit of a lucky win, but got a win, ah City got a draw, and obviously they really like missed Roger, but they seem to be trying to fill out their time with that.
00:21:36
Jamie
Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:48
officialgspn
And I've just had a thought, literally just now, you were talking, because you mentioned,
00:21:51
Jamie
Gone.
00:21:55
officialgspn
teams being slightly resentful of those coming up. We've seen in the last what decade the deterioration of the so-called big six, haven't we?
00:22:03
Jamie
Oh yeah, absolutely.
00:22:05
officialgspn
Realistically, do you think that's what's potentially leading to this more verbal animosity than we've seen in recent years?
00:22:12
Jamie
Yeah, definitely. I mean, you look back at... Right, so take last season, for example, Villa. Who thought Villa would make the Champions League? We we talk about we talk about the big six being Arsenal, City, Liverpool, and then you bring the likes of Chelsea in and Tottenham and all of them.
00:22:20
officialgspn
No.
00:22:29
officialgspn
United and Spurs. They're the big ones, aren't they?
00:22:33
Jamie
But, yeah.
00:22:34
officialgspn
That people sort of assume that should be there.
00:22:37
Jamie
Absolutely. But again, you know, you look at Villa two seasons ago, you look at Newcastle, you know, ah the the big six is now somewhat changing and it's no longer.
00:22:49
Jamie
Well, I don't think we should be start. We should start even calling it the big six anymore.
00:22:52
officialgspn
No.
00:22:52
Jamie
It should just now be more open, but I wouldn't. I don't even think I would name it. I don't think I'd have a name or I wouldn't even call it the big six no more.
00:22:58
officialgspn
no i mean no because you've had the likes of Brighton coming through doing really well they got European football West Ham got European football not in Forest at the moment are doing incredibly well as well which is against all of our predictions by the way completely against all our predictions your wolves one is going scarily well though which because i was doing the cross
00:23:05
Jamie
Yep.
00:23:07
Jamie
Yep.
00:23:13
Jamie
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:23:20
Jamie
Do you know what? it was we It was discussed actually briefly a couple of days ago to me and they were like, geez almighty, how have you predicted wolves to finish where they're finishing?
00:23:23
officialgspn
the
00:23:28
officialgspn
yeah
00:23:30
Jamie
And this is like, this is very odd. And I'm like, oh, well, don't say I didn't tell you so.
00:23:33
officialgspn
Nostradamus of our time, ladies and gentlemen, Jamie Pattison Nostradamus. But yes, ah I mean, ultimately, in football, Arsenal aren't ever really going to...
00:23:44
officialgspn
I don't think we... Weirdly, I don't think we're going to get the respect that City's... Pep City have got. I mean, what I find interesting about the City fans at the moment, obviously, I live in Manchester, as as people know, and I encounter a lot of City fans.
00:23:55
Jamie
Yeah.
00:23:59
officialgspn
And there is a... Despite the fact they've won everything and, you know, As much as it is irritating, you can't take away the fact they've had the most phenomenal run in terms of victories and successes, and they've done brilliantly.
00:24:12
officialgspn
But there is a bitterness there that anyone dare challenge them.
00:24:18
Jamie
yeah absolutely it just seems like now again you would think now that Arsenal would actually start getting a bit more respect now but it just seems like all of a sudden now now now that we've we've pushed we're the only team to have pushed City twice you know I get I get that yet Liverpool currently sitting top of the league as we speak now it is still quite early days in the league but if Liverpool keep doing the way they're doing
00:24:26
officialgspn
Exactly, exactly.
00:24:47
Jamie
surely I'm very sure people will sit there and be like oh well yeah Liverpool you know they they they get the respect but for some reason it seems like Arsenal who are in some people's eyes still considered newbies to challenging City which is ridiculous because again we' we're the only team that have pushed City to to pretty much last game of the season kind of territory
00:24:54
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:25:03
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:25:13
Jamie
but again it just seems like what why can we never get the respect that city get yeah
00:25:18
officialgspn
I mean, Liverpool did it a couple of years ago, but you make a really good point. We've done it twice and everybody seems to kind of hate on it. Liverpool did it three or four times in sort of like the early to 2020s, late 2019s.
00:25:31
officialgspn
And the respect they got, I don't know if it's the Jurgen Klopp effect. I don't know if Michael Arteza rubs people up the wrong way, but the style of football we play is expansive when we can, but it's smart when we can't.
00:25:43
officialgspn
And it's as simple as that.
00:25:43
Jamie
Do you know what? I'll be honest with you, and I realized it when you brought when you kind of brought up about the dark arts, but i think the jer I think the journalists do have a bit of an effect on how Arsenal, and how Michal Arteta is portrayed.
00:25:57
officialgspn
Hmm. I think you're right.
00:25:58
Jamie
It seems like, like, you know, I was watching the the press conference before Bolton and just all everyone seemed to talk about was the dark arts, city, this, that and the other.
00:26:08
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:26:10
Jamie
And I'm like, the man's here to ask, answer questions on Bolton and the Bolton game. Why are we still looking back in the past for?
00:26:18
officialgspn
I know. It's a bit ludicrous. I think the only other manager who gets as much grief is, admittedly, a slightly more deserved Eric Tenharg.
00:26:24
Jamie
Of course.
00:26:25
officialgspn
But that's because his job's on the line every week, it seems. And it has been for the last two and a half years.
00:26:30
Jamie
oh Seems like it, but yeah if they win a but yet Silverware is the only thing that saves them.
00:26:35
officialgspn
Yeah, I mean, it's remarkable. Why, again, slight deviation. We're going to wrap it up in just a second. But I would i was just thinking. How on earth does Eric Tenharg go into this season having known for a fact that Man United interviewed other candidates for his job, couldn't find anybody and sort of just went, all right, you can have it then.
00:26:54
Jamie
Yeah.
00:26:59
officialgspn
What does that make him and the team think?
00:26:59
Jamie
Exactly.
00:27:02
Jamie
I believe as well um it was said on Sky Sports earlier on but oh yeah that's it it was about just after 11 but it said like Man United bosses backing manager Eric Tanharg despite unacceptable loss to Tottenham
00:27:18
officialgspn
Also, another thing I saw on the BBC Sports app today, I was with my manager when it came up, Manchester United will stick with their manager for the next two games against Porto and Villa.
00:27:31
officialgspn
Now the fact it even said the next two games suggests a big problem there.
00:27:34
Jamie
Exactly. It really does. To be honest with you, could you could you actually imagine if Porto and Villa were to go and to go and beat them?
00:27:45
officialgspn
Oh yeah, I mean, Porto Away is an incredibly difficult game. English clubs really, really suffer there. I can see Porto doing them, and Villa are a very good outfit.
00:27:54
Jamie
They are.
00:27:54
officialgspn
if they they could They could walk away from this week with no points, which would be kind of funny.
00:28:02
officialgspn
Anyway, that's that's it for our little dark arts rant there. Did you like what you had to say? If you did, then let us know on our social media. And if you didn't, well, hell, let us know that as well. Also, don't forget to like,
00:28:14
officialgspn
Follow and share the podcast. We'll keep bringing you episodes and you can help grow the community even further Anyway, I have been Josh Vince He has been Jamie Patterson and the podcast will be back tomorrow when we're going to discuss Arsenal's worst ever 11 I'm quite looking forward to that Jamie.
00:28:33
officialgspn
Are you?
00:28:34
Jamie
That should be a really good one.
00:28:35
officialgspn
It should be really fun. Anyway, until then stay safe and have a great day. Goodbye