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S3 Ep223: Talkcast - September 2022
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Join Dave and Jake as they talk about X-Men, Teen Titans, pickles, and even more in this super-powered Talkcast episode!
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Opening Banter: Dynamics of Jake and Dave
00:00:32
Speaker
How's it going everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake, and I'm joined by my co-host is always Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave?
00:00:40
Speaker
Uh, it's going a little tired, but overall, good. I'd say it's decent. It's okay. Don't ask too many questions, Jacob. I feel like that's, that's my response. Normally I ask one. That's it. Maybe a follow-up if you, there's a very obvious direction you want to go. Um, I feel like juggernaut and you're professor Xavier, you're just trying to like drill into my mind and pry things out of me. That's why I have this gigantic trashcan lid of a helmet.
00:01:11
Speaker
Yeah, Juggernaut looked really dumb looking back on it. He really does. He looked really dumb. Basically like a thumb character. There's like, I'm so in Spider-Man, I can't even remember the guy's name. I hope it's not just literally Rhino, but there's a guy that's basically in a giant Rhino suit. Is it Rhino? I think it is. It's literally called, okay. I was like, that guy looks dumb, but Juggernaut also kind of just looks like
00:01:39
Speaker
Even a step beyond. At least the Rhino guy has some theming going on. Yeah, it's crazy how simplistic some of those designs were. But for whatever reason, I really enjoyed the design of the lizard doctor. I forget his name.
00:01:56
Speaker
Mmm, but he was basically like a humanoid know his reptile. Okay. No, there's that from Mortal Kombat fuck Well, my brain went to killer croc, but that's like Batman I think yes. Yeah, but basically is like this anthropomorphized lizard but like he was still wearing like
00:02:16
Speaker
elaborate, a lab coat. And so it's just like the clothes are ripped. Yes. Cause he transformed while wearing it. He's like, I guess this is me now. He's called the lizard. Dr. Curtis Connors. That's why he didn't remember. It's because he was named with the same naming scheme as the Rhino.
Marvel Memories: Gaming and Iconic Villains
00:02:37
Speaker
Spider man, fuck it. Yeah, whatever works, I guess. Yeah. Man, now I'm wondering how many of his Spider-Man's villains are all just like the name of the thing. Venom villain. Venom's cool, though. Well, Venom at least is like, if this was following the same naming scheme, Venom would be named Bad Space Symbiote. Space Symbiote.
00:03:07
Speaker
I was recently playing, it's a very old Marvel nemesis. Not familiar. It was a game back on the PS2. It had graphics like it should have been on the PS1 or N64. OK. But it had like the shittiest campaign mode, TLDR. It has a multiplayer mode. So basically, you have different characters within that cast in the Marvel universe.
00:03:33
Speaker
like Wolverine, Spider-Man, Venom. But each of them had like different weights and different abilities. But pretty much it was like you punch stuff, you pick up and throw stuff, or you use some of your meter to do like a rage mode, or use a special ability.
00:03:47
Speaker
So Spider-Man, light quick, webbed around and shit. And he could web light things to him and he could throw them. And I'm like, oh, that's cool. What does Venom do? Everything Spider-Man does, but better. Because he's a heavier character. So he can tether a car and then chuck it at somebody. It was amazing. So my friend and I, during high school, would go out on our lunch breaks as seniors back to his house.
00:04:14
Speaker
Do like a speedrun of like a half hour of like games to see who could win the most as a venom for venom. I kind of like venom. Um, I'm spoiler alert, sort of like an edge Lord and venom is a great character concept for me. Um, if, if anybody is wearing black or scoffs or has hair over their eye, Jake's like, I'm picking that character in that game.
00:04:39
Speaker
Uh-huh. I actually have like a Venom stencil, like sticker actually is what it is. Like for Venom with like his tongue sticking out, but it's just in white. And it's, I have a purple luggage and I just put it on that. Cause I was like, purple is Venom's color and it's Venom's face. Conveniently, I always know it's my luggage cause nobody else has a sticker of Venom. Like with his tongue sticking out on it. So fun while taking it to work engagements also.
00:05:10
Speaker
Yeah, it's a nice little personalization. Oh, is that? Oh, that's shakes. Yeah.
Superhero Preferences: Batman vs Superman Debate
00:05:16
Speaker
It's probably Venom on the luggage. Yeah. But I like Venom. I like Venom as a character significantly more than I get that Spider-Man's like supposed to be.
00:05:27
Speaker
I don't know, Spider-Man's fine. Probably good. Better than most heroes as far as like... Yeah, but he's good. So like by default, it's harder to win the cool card. Whereas Venom's like, I smoke cigarettes. You're like, damn, that is kind of cool. Uh-huh. I know it's bad. But he's still willing to do it, which makes him badass.
00:05:48
Speaker
I just like the concept of Venom, right? Because Venom basically is a child. Not really, but like comes from space, doesn't have any concept of morality. And he's like, hey, I need a host because like that's kind of my jam, Jimmy jams. And it's like Spider-Man, I think Eddie, Eddie Brock. Yep, his name. And there's the whole dichotomy and Venom's like evil or he's not evil and all this stuff.
00:06:17
Speaker
Although sometimes in portrayal, like as a first host, it ends up on Spider-Man and Spider-Man still ends up being kind of corrupted. I don't think that's I don't think that canonically makes any sense.
00:06:32
Speaker
Like it has to be more so reflects the personality. It can. Like, so my understanding is someone's going to correct me here, but like anyone who's had venom, uh, been a host for venom in the past influenced venom's personality.
00:06:53
Speaker
But like the opposite wasn't the case. Venom wasn't like inherently evil. So Spider-Man's just like Peter Parker walking down the street and it's like, you know. Everyone talks about the Sam Raimi. Yeah, Bully McGuire. Bully McGuire. That doesn't make sense if he's the first host. Because Venom's just like, oh, I guess we're probably a good guy.
00:07:17
Speaker
Yeah. But literally nobody who went to go see the films is like fact checking that. I mean, maybe there's like a whole like subculture who's like still see a thing about it. I don't know. Guaranteed. Well, the problem is like a lot of people still liked aspects of those movies. So they were entertaining. Also for like the time, those were the movies. Yeah. Those are our superhero movies.
00:07:42
Speaker
like name other movies that came out around that time or even tell me when the time is. Cause I don't know. I have no idea. Batman something. Batman was a good deal after. Yeah, probably. Cause so when did, when did that come out? Cause that was close to, um, that was like early 2000s or something. Right.
00:08:05
Speaker
That can't be right. No. 2010s. When did when did the Spider-Man movies come out? I want to say it's closer to the early 2000s because I still would have been a youth. Yeah. Whereas 2010, I would have been like 20. I definitely wasn't going back and watching my movie trilogy then. Rejected how early it actually was. 2002 was when Sam Raimi Spider-Man came out. So I was like 11. Yeah. It checks out.
00:08:35
Speaker
Yeah, so I think one could be forgiven for not remembering everything about those trilogies. They're looking at them the most critically.
00:08:45
Speaker
But that was the whole thing. The reason carnage is messed up, it's because it was on a serial killer. It wasn't like, okay, well, carnage is going to make this person better. Anyways. So carnage is not actually evil. Guns don't kill people, serial killers kill people. Yes, exactly.
00:09:07
Speaker
Also, Venom is just way more interesting to play in the video games than Spider-Man. And pretty much any game where Venom is depicted far more interesting than Spider-Man. Just the potential, like you said, the potential to be the bad guy. He can pick up cars, throw cars. Spider-Man just like puts people in like this fucking silk hammock. And then he's like, yo, cops, you deal with that shit.
00:09:37
Speaker
Who's your favorite super hero? Oh no, here's where my edge stuff comes in. Listen, I was like 13 and it was like, your options were Superman or Batman. So I gravitated towards Batman. One, it was like the dark and the style was cool, but two, Superman as a concept was, hey, I'm fucking invincible. I can fly, super strength, have laser eyes, I'm like,
00:10:05
Speaker
Why would you pick this person who's obviously the over dog? Pick the underdog. Over cat? What do you call it?
00:10:18
Speaker
I gravitated more towards Batman to a degree because out of the scope of superheroes I knew at that time, that was the one. Oh yeah. And while we're on Superman and Batman, you're correct. It's not an argument. 100%. They literally had to arbitrarily introduce weaknesses to Superman.
00:10:41
Speaker
Because they're like a crap. We kind of just made a god That's not gonna be interesting for very long, right? Well, he's not Endangered by people so we'll have him fight concepts.
X-Men Deep Dive: Complex Characters & Ideologies
00:10:57
Speaker
Alright, he's versus commies now or something like that. Right? Yeah, I don't know it's nonsense and Batman's a person and
00:11:05
Speaker
and they have retried the ground so much, but at least there was the one interesting question of like, Batman could stop all of this if he would just break his rule, but he just refuses to kill people. And as a consequence- Harder, a pretty easy solution to most situations. Did somebody charge you too much for the loaf of bread? Murder them!
00:11:31
Speaker
Yeah, but I mean they they tread they tread that ground over and over and over again, right? It's like the consequences of batman not taking the joker out because Prison is the easiest place to escape In batman's world arkham asylum might as well be a hotel. All right. It's like i'm gonna check out. See ya I thought he was an arkham. They're like, I mean, yeah, come on He wanted to leave we let him go
00:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, I enjoyed at the time some of DC's anti-heroes and side characters or villains. It seemed like a more dark, edgy twist, which again, 13-year-old me found interest in at the time, and then marveled from what I knew of it, or even just like Superman.
00:12:26
Speaker
Everyone's too pure and good. And I'm like, that seems very one dimensional. So I didn't really gravitate towards it. Obviously, if you go and read a lot of the graphic novels or comic books, lots of characters in both cinematic universes or on prints are actually very diverse. And they have interesting characters and backstories, some of them more than others.
00:12:52
Speaker
But yeah, I just like the idea of vigilantism at the time. And the older I get, I'm like, yeah, cops fucking blow. So like, oh, let's, the idea was appealing. It's like, oh, this person's fighting for justice. That's something that, that's a quality I want to embody as like a young Christian boy. And then if we need to go outside the law, I'm like, yeah, as a young Christian boy. Right, yes, as one does.
00:13:19
Speaker
What about you? Did you have somebody outside of Batman that you like grew up with? You're like, fuck yeah. So I didn't. I wasn't exposed much to superhero media as a kid. I had a pretty relatively sheltered upbringing where we weren't watching a bunch of movies or TV or all this other stuff.
00:13:39
Speaker
Also, we didn't have cable, so whatever. It shows up on just standard TV. I did like X-Men, and I think that would be the counterpoint. Once X-Men entered the popular space, now Marvel has something going on. Because those characters are
00:14:05
Speaker
much more human, much more troubled. Yeah, literally how they set it up. Yeah, exactly. Hey, people are afraid of these people who have beyond human powers. Oh, is that threatening? And they put that in any part of current society or like 30 years back. It's like, wouldn't this scare you? And you're like, yeah, I'd be a little bit concerned.
00:14:29
Speaker
So they get targeted. Yeah. I think if I had to pick one from amongst them and it's honestly a character to my shame, I don't know that much about, but like I was a kid, so I was picking things off aesthetics. You gonna guess? Is it, are they in X-Men?
00:14:45
Speaker
they are an x-men gambit it is gambit yeah gambit nailed it the coolest the coolest x-men and it's just like as a kid i was just like man if i had a deck of playing cards i could just like energize them and throne it things be freaking sweet but that's also like
00:15:04
Speaker
It's just like an extension of his power set in such a cool way, right? It's like, ah, like I can infuse something with energy. What would be, how should I use this in combat? Literally just hucking playing cards at people. It's like, that's what makes Gambit cool. And the Bo staff, you know, doesn't hurt.
00:15:25
Speaker
Later on, he went to be a playable character in League of Legends. Yeah. Um, I didn't even consider anybody in the X-Men universe, but a lot of this stuff is so cool. I also really liked Iceman, but I, again, he's a minor character. Not as much comes up. Yeah. But he is apparently one of like the top five most powerful, theoretically. Hmm. Interesting.
00:15:47
Speaker
But there was a, I forget the name of the character, but basically they signed up with Magneto and whatever the fuck his group was called. Yeah. Um, people who were fighting for mutant rights specifically be like, Hey, fuck all humans. Um, but he had cancer or something. So he got like these obviously got like, uh,
00:16:09
Speaker
Basically like two slugs like live in his body and they're like eat the cancer Okay, then also give him powers and I was like, what the fuck am I reading? But the idea is like very out there and cool. I'm like, okay, I like it. Yeah For some reason I also really like the design of Abel. Hmm. I'm not familiar with Abel Abel is Scott's brother. Okay
00:16:33
Speaker
So Cyclops. Because Scott Summers is Cyclops. Yeah. Abel basically got his powers from some machine in Magneto. Because Magneto is like the leader of the enemy bad guys. Yes, the bad mutant. He orchestrates a lot of stuff. But he could do lasers out of his hands. And like, wouldn't that be so much less complicated? Yes. Right. Wear gloves instead of shades all the time. Uh-huh.
00:17:00
Speaker
Man, some of those are pretty cool. Cyclops is kind of cool. Wolverine has the power set, you know, and I think they've probably. He's too popular at this point for me to be like a huge Wolverine fanboy, although if he was less popular, I'd probably, you know, enjoy it a little bit more, but like every movie has come out for him.
00:17:26
Speaker
but uh like they literally had what was it logan i think was his like mature movie which was i really enjoyed that movie right because actually good heck and violent um but here's the thing that everybody sees wolverine and they're like oh the guy with the claws we're like yeah but what's but that's not his power
00:17:48
Speaker
Yeah. Right. I mean, his power. Yeah. And I actually everybody thinks it at first because that's the most notable thing about him. Right. Yeah. But it's just super regeneration. Yeah. That's it. Right. Like like he he's had his bone claws replaced with adamantium and his skeleton, I think. Right. Like it was like a full freaking replacement almost.
00:18:15
Speaker
Yes. This was a big part of the plot where that they delved into for X-Men 2. Those were also huge movies, by the way. Oh, yeah. For the time. Yeah. And then they went forward and I kind of stopped watching them. I think I dropped off at like Days of Future Past or something like that. And I didn't finish out the series. I think it was just a little more.
00:18:41
Speaker
There's some cool one with my, um, with, um, Michael Fassbender as magneto young magneto. Um, and then that guy whose name I'll never be able to remember from wanted as, uh, um, professor Xavier young professor Xavier.
00:19:03
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I pictured the face because also we talked about wanted every six months. It's more often than it should be. Well, it's always like it comes up in discussion like, did you just sell toys in one, two, three? Get the fuck out.
00:19:20
Speaker
While we're talking about Cool X-Men though, thoughts on both. So first Magneto and then a critique of Phoenix maybe or thoughts on Phoenix. What are your thoughts on Magneto? Love them. Yeah.
00:19:37
Speaker
Like the ability to control metal, the ability to control anything is always really cool. That's why in like a Naruto, don't remember the sand kid's name, but he could control sand and like, Oh, that's really cool. Cause you can do lots of different things with it. So he can feel like metal.
00:19:59
Speaker
him controlling Meadows really bad-ass. And then also he is Jewish. So I did have a bit of a bias there. Um, also the idea of him just like breaking out of like a Nazi camp and just talking to people up and like, yeah, I like that. Oh yeah. Again, Jewish bias. But I feel like anybody who watched, she's, I'm forgetting the Quentin Tarantino movie and glorious bastards. Yeah. It's spelled weird.
00:20:28
Speaker
I feel like the name's wrong, but no, no, that's the name of the movie. It is Inglourious Masters? Yeah. Okay. But like they fuck up so many Nazis. I don't care who you are. It's so, it's just so like, fuck them. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a feel good movie in its own way.
00:20:45
Speaker
Yeah, I agree entirely for Magneto. The other thing Magneto gets is going to film his powers translate into just really cool things happening on screen. I think in one of the earlier movies, he moves the Golden Gate Bridge to extend out to an island or something like Alcatraz or whatever.
00:21:09
Speaker
It's like all of this absurd thing. And there's one particular scene, I can't remember what movie it's from because it's been so long, but he's like in a, it's like a glass or plastic prison. It's plastic prison. Plastic prison. And I think Mystique has like fed this guard like iron supplements.
00:21:27
Speaker
So they all have a higher iron concentration in his blood and Magneto straight up like rips the metal like out of his chest and these little particles and then like forms Well one like uses them as balls to break the prison and then makes little super thin plates He can like fly over on to escape and it's just the freaking coolest stuff. It's the coolest stuff it
00:21:52
Speaker
all of his stuff is so badass and he's also a I want to say a well-developed character because like you understand his motivations at all point it's not like why is he so evil you know he's fighting for a cause that he believes in which is they're treating mutants unjustly and they are yeah but his solution for is just
00:22:10
Speaker
not ideal. Because he was like, oh, we should kill the other people who aren't us. We're persecuting us. He wants a completely separate society if he can get it. And if he can't get it, then be at odds. He will kill for it. Exactly. He wants independence. He doesn't want integration. And that's the big difference between him and Xavier. But you could make an argument because
00:22:36
Speaker
it's still such a freaking problem now it is kind of a problem because what Magneto does right but like mutants never really get the level of acceptance that Xavier wants to get them to but like I love
00:22:50
Speaker
the dialogue between those characters because they almost never actually fight each other like if Magneto and Xavier show up they're just like like literally everyone underneath them they fight all the time right good mutants bad mutants the school mutants and uh Magneto's people but like if you put Magneto and Xavier in a room
00:23:12
Speaker
They almost never fight instead. They're just like greeting each other like like disagreeable old friends Right. Yeah, because that's literally what they are. Yeah I love that. I also like and you'll see this like a lot of Japanese culture where it's like hey our ideals are at odds Exactly. Yeah
00:23:34
Speaker
And that's like the main crux of it. You see it more played out in certain things like Fade Zero between Kirito and Emiya. I don't know. Some Japanese names.
00:23:51
Speaker
But yeah, they're like very much polar opposites, but also kind of the same in a way. It's just they're approaching it in a different way. And therefore they can never be friends. Um, but I liked that because like they will actually interact and discuss. It's not just fuck you. And then they try and kill each other. It's the, um,
00:24:20
Speaker
When they're having a good heated argument about ideals, it's nice to be like, well, he's actually making some good points. Oh, shit, but he said that. And as the audience, you feel a little bit torn between. You're like, I see the good in both sides. Uh-huh.
00:24:36
Speaker
I don't like in storytelling. That's basically my favorite trope is if you can get a sympathetic antagonist and man, it can be hard. Right. Because by definition, the antagonist is not the person that the story is primarily following. That would be the protagonist. Right. But if you can get someone where the protagonist has a belief and the antagonist is challenging that belief and legitimate, not like mustache twirling evil ways.
00:25:07
Speaker
That's actually cool. That I actually appreciate and like to think about and would rather be challenged on. And I was also literally thinking of like Japanese anime when we were talking about this character dynamic because like sometimes Magneto literally is mustache twirling evil but not in his best depictions.
00:25:27
Speaker
No, it's usually some other stuff where he's again, I forget when like this machine gets introduced, but like they do start giving normal ass people powers. No, not cerebral, at least I don't believe so. Maybe it's a corrupted variation of cerebral and some, some chapter.
00:25:46
Speaker
It's the only machine I know about, so that's what I guess. Oh, Xavier's laptop? Yeah, the Dell laptop that they bring up in every championship. Cerebro Pentium processor. And to answer your other question, because I did not forget.
00:26:02
Speaker
Phoenix is dumb. Yeah, I think Phoenix is really dumb because Again, you've given a character way too much power like Superman. So you have to like How do we balance this? Oh, she's crazy Okay So it becomes like a wildly destructive power where it's like I know you never know I'm just gonna fucking just murder everybody. Uh-huh, but she fights for good And then they had something
00:26:32
Speaker
I remember watching these movies like so intently because it was either at the end of the second movie or the third movie. Jean Grey dies, air quotes. But like when they pan a shot over like a river after like some battle of whatever the fuck you under the water, you see like this very.
00:26:51
Speaker
kind of obvious outline of like a phoenix and you're like oh shit that's the uh that's the hook for the next movie but then like she does come back i believe yeah or maybe they never continued from that saga maybe that was the third
00:27:04
Speaker
I feel like I feel like there had to have been a movie called like Rise of the Dark Phoenix or something like that. I don't know, but it sounds like what an X-Men movie would be titled.
Animated Series Nostalgia: X-Men to Teen Titans
00:27:14
Speaker
I think literally Dark Phoenix. I feel like X-Men Dark Phoenix is probably a thing, but I don't know. Maybe she's a character in Marvel versus Capcom. Yeah, it's a skin. It's the only thing I remember. But she just initially I thought just had psychic powers, right? Very similar to Xavier. Yeah, she's like a budget Xavier.
00:27:35
Speaker
Well, I mean, well, so I don't know if that's true. That is her power set, but it's because Xavier sealed Phoenix Force inside of her. So like, she's like capped out at power level two.
00:27:53
Speaker
Because he's just like, there's a lot going on in here. So we're just going to like feel your memories and seal all of this and try not to end reality. That's your job. Everybody else, you go fight crime. Don't fit. Don't end reality. I'll bring you some tea.
00:28:15
Speaker
I think she's, my opinion on her is I think she's more interesting than Superman, but only in the way that like the cursed chosen child trope is more interesting than the super powered god trope. But they're both like, they're both pretty, pretty well played out. And it's unfortunate because like, when you put someone in that spot, it's basically like she's a plot device, right? Like her power level is too high, so now she's a plot device.
00:28:44
Speaker
um And it's unfortunate because otherwise she could be a lot cooler Yeah, but even by default I think she's more interesting than at least from like what I recall the movie depictions of a character like storm Mm-hmm. Maybe it was like how they wrote it. Maybe it's halle Berry. I don't the fuck it was but like
00:29:05
Speaker
Storm, like power set wise, fucking insane. Storm as a character kind of sucks. Yeah. I feel like they don't really give her justice or make her that interesting. Again, from what I've seen. Mm hmm. Yeah, I would believe she does more interest. Like I haven't really read the comics, right? So I'm filthy casual. Did you watch any of the cartoons?
00:29:28
Speaker
I just saw some episodes. Yeah. Of the original or like of the newer one. The one thing I saw from the original. Yes, I believe that's the one. The original. The only thing I remember from this is like a YouTube clip I saw where Magneto is tricked by a wooden gun and it's the best thing. Like stop listening to the podcast. You don't even have to come back. Like wooden gun Magneto on YouTube is just the best freaking thing.
00:29:55
Speaker
But Xavier, like, I think it's Xavier. It might have been Scott. I don't remember. Anyways, like paints a wooden gun to look kind of like a real gun and then is like pointing at Magneto and Magneto is like, you fool. I am the master of magnetism. It's like you could not harm me with such a thing. Watch as I will move the gun with my mind. Like all of this, you know, soliloquy and
00:30:23
Speaker
He's like, he like, there's like lines of concentration as he tries to move the gun and then fails. And he's like, I don't understand what's happening. And so they just convince him that he's been drained of his powers. He doesn't have the ability to do anything anymore. The police show up, handcuff him. And then while he's being escorted away,
00:30:46
Speaker
Uh, they reveal it. He's like, it was a wooden gun at magnetos, like a wooden gun. And then he like allows himself to be put in the squad car and taken away. And I was like, what car handcuffs? Yes. He surrounded my weapons. Going back to Naruto. I wish I remembered the same kid's name. I keep calling him sand kid. I'm thinking.
00:31:12
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. But like he literally had like a giant gourd of sand. So like he always had his weapon with him at all times. This is Gara of the desert. It is Gara. Okay. Thank you for adding of the desert. That's what Google said. I'm just reading the bowl. Does he use soil in his battles? No, no, no. It is in fact sand.
00:31:40
Speaker
That's Gara of the Plains. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Watch as I control this wheat. Just moves side to side. It's just like in the wind. A cow is like very slowly like looking back and forth like, what the fuck? Yeah, I like any time a character could control a certain type of thing. I'm like, oh, cool.
00:32:06
Speaker
Yeah. Because obviously it's very dynamic. A lot of things would always come up to with a Nightcrawler and his abilities. Oh, yeah. Is it vision based? Then he's like, oh, I had to have been there before or something. So he doesn't get stuck in walls. But then just imagining how his powers would work. And that always devolves into discussion of, if you could choose one power to have, which power would it be?
00:32:31
Speaker
And then occasionally you have somebody who would say, invisibility. And it's like, no. You weirdo? No. Invisibility is literally, I think somebody else said this, I'm taking their opinion, but I agree with it. Invisibility, like when would you use that for something good? Right. For something like, I'm going to rob a bank or like sneak around so I can like look at people. Uh-huh.
00:32:54
Speaker
Are you gonna keep breaking into something? I don't know. It's just, it seems like it has more evil intentions behind it that you could get away with. All I'm saying is, Violet has gotten away with this for too long, right? That is not a reputable power sign. Oh, the Incredibles. From Incredibles, yeah. I was wracking my brain. I'm like, who in the X-Men is Violet? Nightcrawler, I kind of forgot about. Nightcrawler is incredibly cool.
00:33:24
Speaker
He's also a bit of an edgelord, but like a redemptive edgelord, which is nice. I liked his betrayal in the movies. He's cool. Cooler than Beast. I mean, everybody is cooler than Beast. I'm a smart monkey. I'll be put in Overwatch. Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm literally thinking. Proto Winston. Although it was played by, um,
00:33:49
Speaker
Uh, Frasier, whose character I, in the name I can remember. Kelsey Graham. Kelsey Grammer. Thank you. Uh, pay. Kelsey Grammer in the movies, which is kind of funny. Toss all of it in scrambled eggs. All of them up. But I'm going to rage. Yeah.
00:34:18
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Yeah, I should go back and watch those at some point, just because certain parts were a little bit hokey. Other things I'm like, I did appreciate the humor as a kid. Yeah. I also kind of like that. Most of their power sets are a lot more limited, right? Like the super powered ones at the top magneto has this really wide, useful power, but most of the mutants are like a single thing has changed. And so they're not like on that same power level as like.
00:34:48
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the computer amplified worldwide psionics, like, or the ability to, to move things. So like Jubilee. Yeah. Wait, who has Jubilee's thing?
00:35:03
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She could, I think it had to be electronic, but she could just touch it and make it explode. I believe. Gotcha. But it's some type of like, she can make things explode with her hands, but I'm pretty sure it was limited to electronics. I think the only thing I have ever seen Jubilee in was there was some like, there was a rated list of like the worst mutants that I think she was on it.
00:35:31
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She definitely doesn't have the most notable powers. There's the character I'm thinking of, and I'm thinking about the least cool. I'm going to call him Slippy, but pretty sure that's not his name. But literally like the frog guy, I think Storm kills him in the movie. Nobody cared.
00:35:59
Speaker
Oh, you mean Toad? Toad, yeah, yeah. His depiction of the movie is fucking wild. Let's make him really gross and use his tongue a lot. People are like, yeah. Yeah, she strikes him with lightning. Yes, I was like. That's like her one cool thing in the movie.
00:36:16
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This is literally the only thing it's also I just find it hilarious that the X-Men are like the good guys and No one calls her out on it. She's like, did you just like just kill that one? Yeah, it was it was slippy though. Oh, okay. No problem She's like I usually just shocked the blob but it doesn't really do anything so I don't know nice change of pace for me. I remember guys. Let me have this one
00:36:44
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She had like a really stupid line too. She had her like superhero like comeback line right before she basically kills him. And I can't remember what it is because who cares?
00:36:59
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I'm going to make a statement. I think it was better than what Elle said in season four of Stranger Things. Which line are you talking about, Dave? All of them. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Let's go. That's the callback. That's what happens when we talk about TV things.
00:37:19
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Actually, although really good really
The Cultural Impact of '90s Cartoons
00:37:22
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good. I enjoyed watching Some of the older stuff through clips, but I was more like a 90s cartoon show when I had like Transformers and other stuff So I missed a lot of that cuz I couldn't perceive things at that age. Yeah, but X-Men evolution I watched a lot on WB and if we're going back to Batman for a moment Batman Beyond
00:37:43
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Yeah, holy shit. I still think holds up really enjoy it is like that and Teen Titans and then Justice League unlimited. It really exposed me more to the superhero space and it made it interesting and fun versus.
00:38:01
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either like overly hokey as some of like the older movies might've done or just, I wasn't, I was never going to sit down and read the comics because I'm lazy. Um, man, the original Teen Titans were like so good. There was like an entire.
00:38:19
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thing. So like, I don't think they could call him Deathstroke. Slayed. Yeah, he slayed in the show, right? But I remember there was literally, we might've even talked about it years back, but that's past the time. Voice by Ron Perlman. Dang, I didn't put that together until he said it. That's one of the reasons why he's so badass. Yeah.
00:38:44
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But then again, I also thought Ron Perlman did Bastion. So it could be that guy instead. As we find out Ron Perlman is actually just billing himself as two different people, it actually is all the same. Sometimes I'm this guy, sometimes I'm an entirely different guy. Like the Terra arc? Yeah, that was really sad.
00:39:12
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But anything with Slade, it had stakes. Yeah. There was a thing I'm thinking of specifically. I don't know if they pushed the boundary necessarily of what they could do in a kid's show, but it seemed kind of like they were. I recall there's a time that he corrupts Robin, basically. But Robin, he's being an inside agent without the rest of the Teen Titans knowing.
00:39:41
Speaker
And he's actively working against them and like kicking their butts. And Slade is like, good job. And it's just like, it's such a good episode because you don't even know that Robin has actually turned.
00:39:58
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And he kind of just kicks their butt, right? It's really funny that he's basically a grown adult fighting the Teen Titans. Because the power dynamic, he seems very much an authority figure. He's so cool in that show. I mean, he has people under him. He has minions. Yes. He's the leader of an evil organization. And then he himself is just a badass.
00:40:26
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Later on, they would reveal that he was actually Deathstroke. I think in the comics originally, in the 80s or 90s, it was just probably Deathstroke. Or he got recast into, oh, Slade and Deathstroke are the same person. But if you look at it, all the dots really do connect.
00:40:49
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Man, I'm thinking about the terror arc now because I had like I was watching this when I was much younger. I don't know when this one this one showed. I'd have to Google it. But like I was like really rooting for Beast Boy and terror. And like. I think this show ended like on I don't know if it was necessarily like a cliffhanger, but it was kind of like a somber goodbye.
00:41:17
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Is that incorrect? I'm getting a head shake. I'm giving you a big head shake on that. Yeah. Do you want me to remind you or do you want to check it out later?
00:41:27
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Well, it's past the expiration of spoilers. I'm fine knowing now. The last thing I remember is he like, Terra was working with Slade for a time and Beast Boy is like, what's going on? And finally she's like freed from his control or something like that. And he finds her as just like a girl in a school.
00:41:51
Speaker
Um, but she doesn't really acknowledge him. And that was pretty much the end of my recollection to what happened. Okay. Maybe you're remembering born. I'm, I'm the one who's wrong. The last thing I remember is her like turning to stone or like fucking dying. Yes. Yes. Under like a landslide. Cause she had her, um,
00:42:15
Speaker
What is it her monumental resurgence her? Heel-faced term is what it would be where she's the bad guy and becomes the good guy and takes down Slade presumably Yeah, and Beast Boy like thought she was dead, but then yeah, this was in a later episode I think it was literally the last episode of the entire show he sees her like one more time, but she's just like a girl in a school and Doesn't know who he is
00:42:44
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or she chooses not to acknowledge him. Yes. Like she's just putting everything behind her of like, I can't, that's not my life anymore. Um, but yeah, it was weird for a kid show to go into like a decent degree of, on multiple counts of psych, psychological manipulation. Yeah. Um, and psychic manipulation.
00:43:06
Speaker
Azeroth, Metreon, Zinthos. Raven by far is the coolest. Again, the edgy characters. And then Starfire was like super bubbly. So like any time that they had like interaction, I think one time they had like, no, they literally had a body swap episode.
00:43:26
Speaker
where like, um, I think starfire uses her happiness and like good feelings to power her flight. And then rave was trying to learn that wall in her body type thing. Really funny. So it was just, it was a nice, uh, basically like character swap for then a role reversal. Yeah.
00:43:46
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I don't know. They did a lot of fun things with that show. I'm sure a decent amount of it was probably canon, but a lot of it had to not be as well because it was animated. Yeah. They're also, I think.
00:43:58
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I don't recall how old they are in the show, but they're more teeny in the Teen Titans than like the older Titans, which are like late Teen Titans. They're like 14, 15, I would argue. That's what it seems like they're much closer to. Definitely Beast Boy is not like 19 years old in the show. Oh, yeah. But my recollection is in the comics, they are young adults, basically. Yes, pretty much.
00:44:30
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Um, which does change things up. I assume as far as like content ratings and all of that stuff, but it was, no, it was, it was crazy. I really enjoyed that show. Great intro, great characters. Are you saying for the animation of the intro, or are you talking about the song? This song is also really good. Hi, hi. Puffy on the Yumi. If you ever want to look it up.
00:44:52
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Oh yeah. And they had their own, they were on Nickelodeon for a while. The high, high Puffy Yami Yumi show. It did not do as well. It did not. It did not. But like the way you can tell it was really good is like the closing line in the intro is like Teen Titans Go. And then they literally just made that the name of the follow-up Chibi type show thing. So like, yeah.
00:45:19
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Talk about like resting on your laurels. Yeah, but like things like that with a team Titans or Batman beyond specifically for what you're saying with the intro is one of the reasons that they really stood out because
00:45:35
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Most shows were like, here's a heroic rise or something or like something a little bit cartoony. And they're like, Oh, do you want to do something different? They're like, yeah. So they're like, Oh, Japanese pop over here, but also give it like a bit of a.
00:45:51
Speaker
70s boogie twist. I don't know how you describe that. Yeah. And then Batman Beyond is like, hey, do you want to grab like the guitars from you two and have him do this? Or like, yeah, that'd be cool. You're like, what? But then the way they did the art direction for the intro, I'm going to watch Batman Beyond's intro as soon as we're done recording. But yeah, it really stood out on its own. Yeah.
00:46:14
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Were there any other cartoons you remember watching on like Saturday morning or even I'll give you this as a, as a, as some room on to Nami and to Nami. Well, again, I didn't have cable. So even teen Titans were kind of like the special treat at grandma's house or something like that. Um, okay. I was like, Jake, we're watching teen Titans get in here. Yeah, pretty much. Um,
00:46:39
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It's harder to pick out some other ones the the shows that I remember were not nearly as good Because read between the lions great one. Uh-huh read between the lines. That was a classic dragon tail or dragon tails
00:46:55
Speaker
Action Man was a hero. I think I talked about this not too long ago, but probably not on the podcast because why would I ever want to do that? I mean, I've heard the phrase Action Man, but yeah. Sounds almost like a commercial bump. It's apparently based off like a Hasbro toy series or something. I don't even know.
00:47:21
Speaker
What is this? Okay. As I'm looking this up, I know less about this. I had a vague memory. Now I have confusion. Okay. I'm going to try to find this guy. You buy me time while I think try to figure out who the math superhero was. Okay.
00:47:42
Speaker
So, for everybody listening, nostalgia bomb, Toonami fucking slapped, huh? You get home from school, and you're like, well, it's not Saturday. I can't watch cartoons, obviously. You get home, you're like, parents, I need the TV. And then you turn on the TV, you're like, mom, I need you to microwave me something. And you'd hear the Toonami bump, and it's like, next up, Dragon Ball Z. And you're like, this is so cool and awesome.
00:48:08
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But it had a lot of content that I was not yet exposed to.
Friendship Through Shared Stories and Humor
00:48:12
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And it wasn't little baby cartoony stuff. These were like cool. This is what the teenagers were watching. I say this like I was, you know, a young man coming into adulthood, but I was probably already a teenager at this point. I was probably like 15 or 16. I'm like, DB is pretty badass, huh? But like the way they portrayed it with the bumps and like the little highlights, I was like, I want to see him kick Freeze's ass.
00:48:36
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Yeah, I can't speak to the shows as much that we're on Tsunami, but like the Adult Swim bumps, those I started to catch up on after the fact and like Bibio and other bands and Tyco did one of the bumps. What's Adult Swimmers doing? Yeah, like Adult Swim stuff.
00:48:57
Speaker
Like those are those are really freaking good like there is legitimately I feel like what's the the name of that music app that? Listens like fighting song. Yeah, like cuz I should probably the first one
00:49:12
Speaker
Yeah. That's got to be like 90% of their actual use case was like just capturing what people were listening to during this. Adults swim at 2 a.m.? Uh-huh. During these bumps. I also found, so I think I was still thinking of Action Man. And I found a CGI, so it was a CGI show, and it does not look good. It looks really bad.
00:49:40
Speaker
Uh, and his super power was basically he's super smart and he just calculates things really fast. So like, like physics, like real time physics. So he's like, oh, if I literally butterfly type effect stuff, we're like, well, if I throw a rock up in the air right here, it will be at just the right speed and trajectory to go into the jet engine and you know, cause a major plane crash. As soon as you said like butterfly and rock, I'm like, he's throwing a rocket, a butterfly.
00:50:10
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The butterfly effect. Yeah. I'm going to send you the link to this like on the side and maybe I'll put it in the description too, since I have the edit and really confuse the people who like haven't actually listened to this. But it's like, don't watch it now because we won't be able to recover for the episode. It's the stupidest looking thing. It's so bad. It seemed fine when I was a kid, though.
00:50:39
Speaker
Just even looking at the preview, I'm hesitant. I'm getting totally Yoko vibes. And I never liked that feeling. It's probably worse. It looks worse. But there is something about, granted it is probably the age, but a lot of that shown in content of like, something Yu-Gi-Oh! is a great example.
00:51:01
Speaker
How's Yugi going to get out of this? Oh, he top deck something. Oh, it works perfectly for what he has on the board. That's convenient. Um, or with Naruto and like, how's he going to fight this power? Oh, he's a new power. But like all that shit was very hype and exciting. Yeah. Cause you want to see your protagonist or your character succeed. Um, and literally just pull like some cool trick out of their hat.
00:51:27
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magic hats after you shuffled around the Karibas. But it was just always so exciting to like, oh, what's next? You never know. It's why they never define what's in his deck. So it can be a magic deck that has whatever, whatever he needs.
00:51:43
Speaker
How many seasons are we and still discovering new cards? How many cards are in your deck? My grandfather's deck has 3,000 cards. It's inconsistent at best. This really explains the episode in season 3 where he goes against Slifer the Sky Dragon.
00:52:04
Speaker
no it's like for the sky dragon makes you milk anyway um i like i don't know why but i appreciate that bit that i do whereas like it's like an aside joke you never complete the joke right you just say enough to make the loose reference people connect the dots and then you move on but that type of humor always resonates with me for some reason
00:52:25
Speaker
No, that's good. I appreciate it. I like, I mean, a lot of our friends are pretty nerdy. Ah, yeah. And we're pretty nerdy. So like, even when we don't get the reference, a brief little aside as though to begin a tangent, to acknowledge where it came from, that itself is the joke, right? You're just like,
00:52:50
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we understand the meta context that you're thankfully not going like into full on explanation about something that no one else knows about. But to fake it is hilarious. If you actually did, it'd be terrible, right? If I was like, all right, let's talk about Warhammer races, you'd be like, I'm going to leave. Well, there's the 3K, there's the 40K, which is a lot longer than
00:53:18
Speaker
Did that one land? That one did. Basically I got to 3K and I was like, I'm, I would like to back away from the show. I will say it's always fun to hop on the train of a thing, even if you're not.
00:53:35
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Again, like what you're describing of somebody says a joke and you're like, Oh, I'm totally in on the joke. And they just look around to see who else is pretending they're on the joke. And the one person's like, what are you guys actually talking about? Meanwhile, 10 of you don't understand, but you're just like, no, I'm a part of the group that does. It's fine.
00:53:52
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uh-huh right it's like uh when you're standing around in a circle but like two people are talking and everybody else just like has their drinks and they're just like nodding and laughing yeah it's like there is a dialogue going on and just a lot of observers
00:54:08
Speaker
It still works though, you know, um, I mean, it, it becomes more of like a discussion at a point, but it's like two people or yes. Fucking. Hopefully it's usually two people who are very much, I'm going to use you and Ian as the, uh, people throwing under the bus or like very much on a topic of like very excited for this game or something. And then people are like, I don't like these people. I'll stand around them. Um, and then it's more like my interjective time.
00:54:35
Speaker
Oh, is that one that was released in 2013 and like participate in the discussion? Video game. Using a console. It's a game that you look at with your eyes, you say. And it has audio. Wow.
00:54:51
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And while you're talking about the references, I think half the references I say, I have no idea what they came from or where they came from. It's just someone said it once in Discord and then we're basically like dodo birds and it's just like call and response.
00:55:09
Speaker
And so someone's like, call. And I'm like, wait, wait, I know the response for this one. Right. And I now have to say, call in response, call in mockery. Yeah, exactly. Call in Feral. But it's part memetics and then it's part like, which I guess is still might fall under memetics, but it's like it's defining a language amongst a group. Yes. They're not always necessarily full inside jokes. It's just things you understand that are reference points. Yeah.
00:55:38
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That's interesting to think about it, to like break it down to its elemental aspects because you kind of just do it unconsciously. But it's literally that it's like when you were kids and you and your friends found something completely hilarious and everybody else was like, that doesn't mean anything. What are you, what are you doing? What are you talking about? Um, but you have group identity because you share it.
00:56:01
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Yeah. Can I share an inappropriate story, but I will not name the people involved. Not sure they'd listen to it anyway. So in high school is hanging out with two friends and we were like, just shooting a shit hanging out for a long time. And it's like,
00:56:15
Speaker
You know those late evenings, just like, oh, we're just going to crash at so-and-so's house and we'll just basically sleep over, but it's just more like crashing somebody's couch. But you start talking about all types of bullshit and you make a run for talk about whatever. So at one point, a friend of mine, the one friend says that he's tried putting pickles up his butt.
00:56:37
Speaker
Okay. I'm like, okay. I've never tried it, probably not for me. But like... I'm imagining he interrupts like some other conversation we're having at the time. You're just like talking about Sunday's call and he's just like sticking with pickles.
00:56:53
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But for like a long time, my other friend, instead of like referring to that friend's name or just sometimes what other blue would just say like pickle. And then like we'd both giggle because the concept was funny. Uh-huh. No judgment on that person, by the way. You do.
00:57:10
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And he has. He was like, listen, deal with it. I'm not proud of who I've become. That's all right. That was still pretty good.
00:57:27
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Yeah, no, that's definitely the case. But I feel that you're not proud of who I became. No, I was thinking I was trying to figure out what the next topic was going to be and then just mindlessly agreeing to buy time. But you got to really be careful about what the preceding statement was. I was saying the Holocaust and the grand scheme of things. Wasn't that bad. Wasn't that bad.
00:57:56
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Right, right. So, no, I think.
00:58:03
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As much as sometimes I might judge it from the outside if I get too introspective, inside jokes and retelling a shared experience is a lot of friendship fabric because God knows if I try talking to somebody, they're like, hey, what's going on? I'm like, ah, hey, remember that one time?
00:58:27
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Cause I don't always think I have something new and exciting to share. It's not, you can obviously still build members of people, but certain ones will stand out. Like we didn't even talk about land party shit. Um, but like at a land party, it's not uncommon for people to talk about funny events from previous land parties. Like we still talk about when Justin was drunk under the table, um, or other stuff. Like it's, it's nice to relive those cause it's like a bonding thing.
00:58:57
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Yeah, I think to a certain extent, probably a great extent. We really are still societies around a campfire with shadows on the wall, right? Like that is shared experience, shared values.
00:59:12
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you know, shared stories is, you know, part of the fabric that binds people together. So that's why, you know, I still talk to people that I raided with back in the Destiny days and all of that stuff. Also the fact that they're just prominent in the friend group. But back when I played Destiny 2, oh, I remember two hours ago when
00:59:38
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But yeah, no, I get you. And I think it's useful to have those stories, too, and kind of be ingratiated into the group to some degree, right? Like we have to just talk about destiny, not recent things, old history, try to clear a raid.
00:59:59
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We try to clear a raid more. We continue to fail to clear the raid. We're like, all right, this is going to be the one land party. This is where we're going to try it. This is a combo of topics. Ian literally buys champagne.
01:00:13
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So that when we clear it- In preparation. In preparation for when we clear it. And then people get distracted, people get drunk, people, you know, fall off the wagon basically for destiny. And he drinks the whole thing. And it's like- Never a good play.
01:00:34
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It's not a good play in the moment. Kind of sad. Excellent story when talking about like friends and association with destiny and associations with land party. Um, it's like, yeah, it's the fabric. It's the fabric. How about as a fun outro, do you have a fun story that you'd like to retell about me or us?
01:01:03
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A fun one. A fun one, he says. I can think of many terrible ones. I feared for my life on that day. Is this video game related? Probably. It can be. It doesn't have to be. If you want, I can buy you time. Because I have a fun story I like to retell about you every few years.
01:01:25
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Sure. We'll start with that and then we'll see if it's the one that I said we were at the stream. The only one I had. Yeah. That didn't happen. Thankfully. But that joke ties into the story. So this was Jake's bachelor party day. Mike and I took him out to do some activities and whatnot. But we got him a Keurig.
01:01:51
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Which at the time was like the newest coffee technology that existed German word and then
01:01:59
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Is it? I believe it. I have no idea. It sounds German, but I don't know. It's something that you get from my key. It's all I know. But previously, I think you had a drip coffee maker in your house. I don't even know if I had a coffee maker. Maybe. Oh, my God. You sit down. I'm going to tell a story, because I remember these details. You had a drip coffee maker previously. So we took that out and got rid of it entirely, replaced it with a Keurig, but set up in the same spot and everything.
01:02:26
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And then I think you and Jenny came back from groceries. Mike and I were just like hanging out for the day. So we were just already there. Um, and Jenny was in on it too. She knew what was up and I think led us in or whatever the situation was. We're like, Hey, do you notice anything different in the kitchen? And you're looking around and you're like,
01:02:42
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No, I don't really know why why do you ask Rick? Are you sure you don't like we're kind of given like the like hey something's different I'm just looking around like I don't know what you're talking about It's goes off like a couple of minutes. You're just like opening cabinets and stuff. He's like guys what what is And he was completely oblivious to the separately entirely new coffee machine and
01:03:06
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And then we're like, it's this, this is the new thing. And you're like, Oh, is this for me? We're like, yes. But I always look back on that story fondly because it was funny. It is funny. Perception is a dump stat though. Like if you're going for an optimized build, what is, I remember the first time I wore glasses and you're like, sup.
01:03:28
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I was like, hey. Yeah. There's times Dave is like wearing a novel shirt or he has glasses on or he's like very notable haircut or something like that. And I'm just like, eh, just immediately incorporate. It's just like snapshot put into the Dave folder. This is a recognizable face. That's it. No further analysis needed. You got past the Dave capture. You're saying, oh, that's a Dave.
01:03:54
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Yeah, right. Identify the fire hydrants. This one's Dave. Yeah.
01:04:04
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No, I was thinking in the heat of the moment, I can think of like a couple stories. Some of them would be, you know, gaming related. We had like, I would mention like Green Hell actually, which I don't think is particularly great game, but I distinctly remember us like running around, doing some crafting things, not really playing the game the way it was. Maybe it was intended to be played that way. Go back and listen to our episode. We're very critical.
01:04:32
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Uh, but like literally just like removing the leeches from each other continually because it never stopped. Um, you mean Ian. Um, but on a more personal note, like the one I usually go back to is like land party. Some years back, I don't call it exactly which one. It was a summer land. And we were like, just talking about crap under the stars. It was the first one.
01:04:58
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This is the wholesome one. Oh, the wholesome one. Yeah, this is a wholesome one. It's not really funny. So if you're going for that, then then I can't even recall like all of the topics we talked about. But I remember that it was very like. Deep, I guess it was like it was a pretty unfiltered, not like mature rated conversation, but like there was very little
01:05:25
Speaker
platitudes involved. It was just us talking about life, basically. And I was like, hmm. It was one of the turning points for me, because I was up until this point pretty upset that people were starting to play video games less at LAN and talk more. And then I was like, this is actually kind of nice.
01:05:51
Speaker
Um, to like talk about some serious stuff and it's not politics or that other crap that just makes people upset, but it's about how people feel and it's about what people are going through and how we're dealing with it. Um, and yeah, I still think about that, but I've never seen Jake and swim trunks after that. I'll tell you that never went back to that pool.
01:06:14
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That was the critical feedback. Actually, that's why I remember it. It was like, you look terrible. Listen, buddy, speedo or nothing. I don't think, I don't think anyone, no one liked that. Everyone hates that. It's the little fallout, fallout pop up in the corner. Um, but yeah. So those are some good stories though. Yeah.
01:06:43
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Mine was very vague because, you know, again, I don't recall everything that we talked about, but that's all right. Anything else?
01:06:53
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01:07:22
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And as always, we're happier here. Thank you for listening. We will see you in the next one. Have a great night.