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A Great City Deserves A Great Story
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In this episode of The Voice of Growth, Manny Teran sits down with John Hudak, Publisher of Tucson Lifestyle Magazine and longtime advocate for Southern Arizona’s cultural and economic vitality. From revitalizing downtown Tucson to redefining what local storytelling means in a digital world, Hudak shares how a great city deserves a great city magazine—and how authentic media can unite a community.They discuss Tucson’s evolution from boarded-up downtown streets to a thriving hub of arts, food, and innovation. Hudak reflects on his 30-year career in tourism and publishing, the future of print, and why marketing done right is “muscle, not fat.”Listeners will walk away inspired by his perspective on entrepreneurship, leadership, and what it takes to build lasting community impact—one story at a time.
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The Role of City Magazines
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The voice of growth, mastering the mind and market.
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The City Magazine role is promoting what we love about where we live. I started with nothing. Most online stuff this major is majors in clicks and seconds.
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The best way to do it is be an entrepreneur. Everybody likes to think print is dead and that it's all digital, but you know, we've been telling each other's stories as humans since we were living in caves.
John Hudak's Career Path
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Gus, where did that even come from?
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A great city deserves a great city magazine. Those were your words and it sort of led me to think about your your career and it's how it's culminated from being basically super deep in med and media, your background in working at the university and in arts, the boards that you're on. I mean, I couldn't name them all and there's so much you're involved with. So how did that all culminate to you being now the publisher of Tucson Lifestyle Magazine?
City Magazines Thriving in Print Media Challenges
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So, I mean, it really is sort of a natural thing. ah
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First, I mean, you know City Magazine, ah and I can even go into deeper because I hosted in 2022 here in Tucson the winter retreat for City Magazine publishers from across the country. So I hosted 55 other City Magazine publishers.
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The niche that we fill in every community, is ah is a valuable one actually. mean people talk about print being dead, but City Magazine specifically are having kind of a moment.
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um And it's it's not rocket science. So in every city across the country, the daily newspapers aren't what they used to be. right I mean, Tucson used to have a morning newspaper and an afternoon and newspaper. that's great They used to have multiple people covering the art scene. They had a classic music reviewer. They had a rock and roll music reviewer. They had multiple people covering different beats. They had a dance critic.
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Now they have one person that covers everything, visual arts, you know, performing arts, whatever, and that's all they can afford. So the business model for daily newspapers has struggled, but people care about their communities.
Opportunities for Print Media
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They care about the people.
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They care about the food. They care about the events. They care about the issues. And so city magazines, because of a glossy coffee table format and that monthly, usually monthly, um frequency, have an opportunity to cover all of those things, not like a daily newspaper would, but almost in a more thoughtful way. And frankly, that opportunity appealed to me.
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When they reached out to me 2019 about coming on board, um I had retired from a 30-year career at Madden Media and was enjoying ah just being a part of the Tucson community, although, i as you referred to, I've always been a part of the Tucson community. I mean, I've been a local activist and promoter for Tucson since the mid-'80s and helping to save the Temple of Music and Art to preserve it as a theater. Yes. And helping to get downtown revitalization going and caring about downtown before anybody else did and actually moving our company downtown when we did in 2009, we bought the old historic MacArthur building and we moved to our
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80 or so creative class employees with an average payroll in excess of 60 grand a year back in 2009. Downtown, that was a big thing for downtown. And then TEP moved in. Then um Fletcher McCusker moved Providence Services down there.
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And so anyways, so um and and town downtown has had somewhat of a renaissance, although, you know, the pandemic was not kind of downtown and as it was for a lot. But it's coming back and doing well. And i I think not only does a great city deserve a great city magazine, a great city deserves thriving
Tucson Lifestyle Magazine's Evolution
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downtown. So my career with Madden was in travel and tourism publications and marketing. We had clients in 43 states. We wanted to have clients in all 50. I traveled all the time. I saw all these other cities, whether it was...
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ah Kansas City or Memphis or, I mean, Pittsburgh, you know, but I saw how they revitalized themselves and recamed, and a lot was happening in downtowns.
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So, um ah ah I just think, you know, The City Magazine role is promoting what we love about where we live. And it's a great opportunity for me, as well as you know raising bar. Tucson Lifestyle started in 1982, and it was primarily for the Foothills crowd. But um the opportunity was to broaden its um readership.
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And to deepen its ah ties to the community. And so we have, from the time I started really launching in 2020, which wasn't a great time to launch a lot of changes for the magazine because the pandemic came around.
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But um we so started publishing ah stories of more substance, so to speak, just ah ah about issues in our community and um you know whether it's water or immigration or any kind of things. As a city magazine, we take a step back from the daily news and do more of an overview. So um we've done that and it's shown up in our reader surveys were audited by a third party independent ah company that comes in. And not only do they audit our circulation and distribution, but they do reader surveys. Right.
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And, um, one of the questions I always ask is how much time do you spend with the magazine per month? So in 2019, when I started, people were, you know, spending about, um, 27 minutes a month.
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Then we got our audit back and, uh,
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August of 2022 and people were spending 38 minutes a month. And I thought, oh, this is a pandemic bump. right you know ah They were stuck at home. What are they gonna do Read the magazine. Well, we just got our audit back for the past year and 80% of our readers are spending about 45 minutes a month with the magazine. team Including myself.
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I love the magazine and i love what the position it holds. as both a for Tucson magazine, yes people in Tucson, but also as a bit of a map, if you will, for those that are visiting from outside of town.
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And the idea of having, a putting in their mind the idea of what would it be like to live in Tucson? sure And being born in Tucson, having left Tucson for many years and coming back to Tucson,
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it was kind of nice to see that the magazine was not only still there, but was thriving. Yeah. And me and my family, we enjoy There's a whole stack over there that we that we peruse. And um what would you say are some of the challenges that you're facing right now with respect to not only growing the magazine, but what the mac magazine represents?
Challenges of Print vs Digital Media
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Sure. um So on the business side, there's a lot of things out of my control. Paper increases, postage increases, and actually during the pandemic, you know I had like 10 paper price increases in 13 months.
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It was brutal. And then over a two-year period, I had four postal increases. So that just raises the cost of doing business on top the fact that everybody likes to think print is dead and that it's all digital. But you know we've been telling each other stories as humans since we were living in caves, right?
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And everybody loves a good story. And most online stuff is major in clicks and seconds. right It's hard to tell a good story. Not to say that you can't get a little video clip that that does a good job at 30 seconds or so. But again, deep storytelling and that's part of connecting with each other as a human.
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So in the magazine format, we can tell stories and we like doing that. It's actually funny you say that. One of the topics that I wanted to talk about and you segued right into it is would you consider yourself more a storyteller or a tour guide?
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Oh, yeah. Well, you know, we do publish a visitor-specific publication called Tucson Lifestyles Insider's Guide that we tailor specifically for the visitor and their in-town stuff. I mean...
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ah One of the things locals care, and I used to always joke about this is all the pictures of who was at the charity ball. But what I find out is people like seeing that stuff. yeah Visitors don't care who was at our charity ball. So that's wasted pages in a visitor guide. So I do more stories about hiking. We do plenty of stories about food. We do all the things to do in Tucson when you're here for three or four days. And and we read all the research that Visit Tucson does, and they're very good. And I say i want to say we are blessed that Visit Tucson is so good at what they do. Mm-hmm.
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They have really recently gone through a rebranding right that's based on a ton of research. They hired, and I know the the company because I used to work with them out of Kansas City, that is the best in the country to do their research.
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And they did a deep dive over 24 months, and then they rolled out their new branding and their new positioning for Tucson, which I think is Brilliant. It is brilliant. And i I think the Chamber of Commerce, I think, you know, businesses, I think everybody should tag on to what Visit Tucson's coming up with because it is spot on for being authentic about how we differentiate ourselves to Austin, San Antonio, Albuquerque. You know, San Diego, any place. I mean, we we do it. So anyways, back to the city magazine role. um
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Yes, visitors can pick us up and get a lot out of it. Again, they won't they won't care about who is at the charity ball and they won't necessarily care about. the publisher's letter ranting about our city council elections but they do care about the food and they care about that because they don't necessarily care about the people so much so we do all the feedback we've gotten from readers is that a number of our readers look to the magazine each month to help
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create their calendar of what they wanna do. um you know We get all the press releases, we get all the stuff, but we curate what we focus on in the magazine based on the fact that we know our readers are Tucson's highest net worth, most educated readers. right And because of that, they tend to be more discriminating and they they do want stuff curated for what would appeal to them. And so we do that in every issue as best we can.
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What I love about you having taken that role, and we did our research, of course, the way you looked at the opportunity slash problem that you kind of, when you stepped into that role who is brilliant.
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you You really went back and you you looked at who are the who are the the readers, who's the audience? And you know to a lot of people, that's enough. But you went deeper than that and you wanted to understand what were the major issues that were interesting to them, and that's when you opened it up past just the glamor houses and the lawns and garden and kind of stuff.
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And so that is very, that's just magic. And you also
Engaging a Diverse Audience
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said something else that i that I want to talk about. Okay, so I just want to say, so we still do all the garden stuff. We still do it because again, readers care about that. sure And I've had feedback from readers, even millennials say they like, hey, I wait.
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ah to see you know the gardening tips for that month and whatever's going to come out that month. And so one of the nice things for me is we have been able to appeal to younger readers as well for...
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um not only having quality of life kind of stuff, how do you live a good life and enjoy your community to some, but taking on some of the issues in the community. So yeah, no, that's, that's totally true. i think there's ah there's a generational shift, if you will, there's a, the torch patch thing. I'm glad that there's still some housing momentum in Tucson. I know there a lot of other communities are really so suffering with that. Yeah, we have our challenges, but I think that ah new homeowners that are coming into the scene,
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It's a perfect compliment for that. yeah And the thing I was going to reference earlier is you'd said that marketing is muscle, not fat. yeah When it has to do with a business owner looking to spend money, you know, you you talked about the some of the challenges during the pandemic yeah and how smart companies doubled down and rather than pull back, they actually pushed in like the Domino's pizzas of the world, others that you said you referenced. So why is that statement so powerful? So, I mean, the muscle, not fat is, is
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I mean, in any advertising somebody does in any marketing, there's waste. So if you have a high end watch and you're buying billboards, how many people driving by can never afford that nice watch? Yeah. You know, so there's how much waste are you buying? Okay. So if you're selling high and welches, a hundred percent of my readers can afford it. There's no waste in that. yeah what's So, I mean, it's sort of like matching your marketing to you know, the audience you want to reach the customers you want to have and, and how to build that. So, um, you know, my readers participate in the cultural life of Tucson. You know, they go to the symphony and the theater and they,
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They go out to eat a lot and they love our events and festivals and all that kind of stuff. So, ah and they support our nonprofits. We partner a lot with the nonprofits in Tucson to do stuff with them. We're working with the Blake Foundation and Easter Seals to help them, you know, acknowledge their 75 year anniversary coming up. well We recently worked with South Point High School about their... anniversary. So, I mean, you know that's all part of being involved in the community and celebrating our community. so
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Yeah, I think community is such a an important concept. or the And to draw from another John Hudak quote, community is about communication.
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Yes. Right. And that, that is a nowhere stronger and bigger and more prolific than in this medium that we're in now, but in also social media, also in print media, also in networking groups. I mean, there's still a combination of these things that help to tell the story of a city or of an individual to sort of move things forward, which is my next segue is what do you see the biggest,
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opportunities are for our region. I'll say all region, more than just Tucson, we'll kind of bleed into maybe Coochies County, Santa Cruz County, the the surrounding, maybe not the the state of Maricopa, but further south. Right. No, i mean I mean, Tucson is the gateway to southeastern Arizona and southern Arizona. So we're an important opportunity for Cochise County, Santa Cruz County, and whether it's Bisbee or Tombstone or Nogales, Tubac, there's lots of great things that they they rely on the Tucson market and Tucson as being a gateway. um
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ah The Phoenicians, you know, don't don't come down here as much. They should. Yeah. You know the difference between Phoenix and yogurt? What is that?
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Yogurt has culture. Oh, mercy. Tucson has plenty culture. I like that. and you know, all of all of the Arizonans, you know, should be enjoying it. And we celebrate it.
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So um ah as far as the issues, I mean, i i actually see a lot of good things in the pipeline for Tucson. Mm-hmm. There are right now three new hotels scheduled for downtown, which that's fabulous. That is fabulous. um ah A couple of them have been you know talked about for a while and postponed, like the Moxie that's going to go on a pad. It'll be just west of... um you know Hotel Congress and and Cup Cafe, there's a parking lot and there's a pad. They're just going to build straight up on top of the parking garage. So it's right there. nice And they've had that planned for a long time. And then there's a vacant lot on Fifth Avenue,
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um and Broadway, it's been talked about for a long time. There's a hotel plan there. And then HSL Properties is committed now to renovating and reopening the Arizona Hotel right by the convention center, which is a major, ah I mean, it's, I can't remember how many rooms it is. Right, it's big. 500, it's big.
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And it's, they've, they've struggled for a while because
Tucson's Support for Entrepreneurs
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it's an older hotel, And it was built with all this immovable concrete and the ceiling heights and the widths were hard to redo. They could have turned it into a Best Western, but that's not a convention quality hotel. right So they finally have worked it out that they can do it as a Hyatt Regency, which is a convention quality hotel. But all those brands, all those flags have their standards. And to HSL's credit, they've resolved those issues so that they'll be able to fly ah good flag on it.
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If you were having a conversation with a 25, 30-year-old young professional yes looking to start a business in Tucson,
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What advice would you give? Well, so first, I mean, I do think one of our big challenges as a community is to have enough jobs for a young professional class.
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And so Phoenix does have those jobs for them and they're there, but those people... aren't as happy there they would be happier if we had those jobs in tucson um and so i do think the best way to do it is be an entrepreneur and you can in tucson that's true because the cost of living isn't that high uh there's a very supportive community there's actually um you know philanthropic money, you know, angel investors, stuff like that in Tucson to help out with new businesses.
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Um, Tucson is very welcoming to anybody that wants to get involved. I mean, there's even young professionals like, uh, Liz Pocock who has startup Tucson and the 10 West festival that she's created out of her own brain. And now it's, I think it's going to celebrate its 10th anniversary this year. And it's,
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You know, people compared it to South by Southwest, but they, they don't want to just be a mini South by they're, they're carving out their own path as their own statements. So, I mean, those opportunities are here for young people. And so I would just say, bring your idea, you know, bring your energy.
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If you're, you know, how should I say person of your word, if your words and your actions meet Tucson's here to support you.
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Yeah, those are really good words. If you walk by the um the U of A during the senior interviews, and you walk by and they have a student union, all these little booths and such,
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And you look to see which organizations are represented there. And those that are like, for instance, based in Arizona, the majority are up in Phoenix.
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You have the American Express, you have all these sort of higher end call centers. You have a lot of semiconductor folks as well. And it's being born in Tucson, from Tucson and now living, choosing to live in Tucson, it it breaks my heart that we don't have as much of a vibrant community like that.
Improving Air Travel from Tucson
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I'm going to ask that question in a different way, rather than what would you tell a 25 to 30 year old, what would you tell a corporate decision maker that's looking to build a new hundred person, 200 person enterprise?
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I mean, so Phoenix is now the fifth largest city in the country and it has the job opportunities to go along with that. It also has the traffic, you know,
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clogs and other downsides that go with that growth. And Phoenix is trying to keep up with in Tucson. I mean, the reality, the thing, so I believe Phoenix has grown a lot because of air service. They have a lot of direct air service. But Tucson really, really competes well at one-stop destinations.
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And I can go into why Tucsonans should always fly out of Tucson because we have about a million employments a year that drive to Phoenix to fly out of Phoenix and have a direct flight.
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We have a dozen flights a day on just one airline that go to Phoenix. We have more than that, but I mean... If you do the math, yeah you can go to the airport an hour before your flight leaves.
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It's a 30-minute flight to Phoenix. You're there quicker than you can be if you drive Phoenix. And if you drive, there might be an accident. It still a chokes down to two lanes before you get into... I mean, when it needs to expand north of the Gila River, it's two lanes. You could be stuck way south of Phoenix in traffic and miss your flight. Or you have to travel way early to factor that in. So I would argue...
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that if the million people a year that fly out of Phoenix now just flew out of Tucson, we would have better air s service. Well, I don't have to argue it. I know that. The airlines have told us that. And the airlines know that the demand is here.
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We just, for whatever reason, we choose to fly out of Phoenix. Yeah. So it's a chicken and an egg. So if we, if we commit to flying out of Tucson, if the chamber of commerce had a fly Tucson first campaign and every, you know, employer in Tucson said, I'm going to buy your tickets out there Now the problem is okay. Delayed flights, canceled flights, whatever.
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And that happens when you don't have a direct fund, but. delayed and canceled can also happen on direct flights that's very true i just heard today on the news that frontier airlines is now offering non-stop flights from tucson to salt lake city yes so that's a new thing and i have to look because i love to go skiing i actually have a little townhouse in park city do you and i i worked hard to get miles on Delta because Delta has about five direct flights into Phoenix ah or into Salt Lake a day. And then it's just 35 minutes up to Park City. But I did not i need to look at Frontier because I've used up all my Delta points and now I have to go out of pocket. And I'd like to support Frontier's new flights. So I'm going to show you a picture of somebody here.
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And I want you to think about this person here. and what you would tell them in this point in time about what's going to happen in the future.
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yeah Gosh. Where did that even come from? and We found it somewhere. yeah So I think you're about 30 years old here. Yeah. So if you had a, I usually use the term a magic telephone. If I gave you a magic phone and you could talk to and tell 30 year old John Hudak something or a couple of things, what would you say?
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No, I mean, I would say, keep doing what you're doing. Uh, you know, by the time I was 30, married and um
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uh, expecting my first child. And, um, we had bought a fixer upper over in the spring Dunbar neighborhood, old historic home. Um, and we were doing the building blocks to create a life.
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And again, i started with nothing. My family had no money. I put myself through college at Grant Road Lumber. And, um,
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You showed me that picture. When I see pictures of the first house that my wife, and now my ex-wife and I bought, although we were together 30 years, which is pretty good. She was always an introvert, I was always an extrovert. Anyway, but ah we have great kids and we get along. ah Better not married than married. But anyway, so the the deal was we were able to buy house for $25,000. Although the plumbing didn't work, we had to do a lot of work on it to even get it to qualify for a normal, you know, uh, loan to put on a mortgage. Um, uh, but, uh, you know, we were able to start out with nothing and make something happen. And I still believe Tucson is a great place for people to do that. So, I mean, I,
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I, you know, relied on the community to help actually. So we bought the house before we got married. We had been living together for a while. We decided to get married, buy a house, do a family.
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I, for our wedding gifts, our registry was at Grant Road Lumber Company. Because we needed sacks of cement. We needed doors. Really? We needed plywood. We needed stuff to fix up our house. And sure enough, we got them. Wow. You don't hear that about that much anymore like that.
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That was it. Remarkable. I'm going to take that same phone. I'm going to punch some different numbers. And we're going to reach John Hudak at 89
Reflecting on Achievements and Community Impact
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years old. Yeah.
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What would you ask? I'm not far from that now. No, you're I know exactly how old you are. you're afraid oh You're far away from that. What would you ask rather than tell? What would you ask that 89-year-old sitting in Park City drinking a glass of wine in the evening there?
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Well, I'd probably only be, i I probably won't be skiing anymore. So it would have to be summer in Park City. And I will tell you, Park City has the cutest little 4th of July parade and stuff. It's a great place to go for 4th of July. um But yeah, I hope I'm still skiing at 89. But um I would ask that person what they were most proud of.
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separate from their kids.
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And, uh, what, and their own accomplishments separate from their kids. Cause you know, you get your kids, they really, if you have kids, you realize from birth that they have their own soul, they have their own destiny. And so we're just blessed with witnessing it and supporting it. So just sort of asking that 89 year old person about me and my stuff, you know, what would I consider at that age?
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My, uh, you know, best accomplishment or how I made the most of a difference with the time I've had here. There are so many things you've done, John. I just couldn't even imagine.
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i mean, we were going through some history and doing some research and, you know, you the number of awards you've you've won, the number of, I think the big thing that you can't really measure is probably the number of lives you've touched.
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Right, your your time with the Poetry Center, whatever, all these things, you've touched lives. And that's something that can be measured in clicks or in in times, you know, hours read or whatever these metrics are.
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So that's that's some impact there. um I guess ah the last thing I'd ask from you is, what do you feel is the the most exciting thing that we have to offer as a community of Tucson?
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I mean, it's interesting, and and this was something that worked for me early on. So I grew up in Pittsburgh, and i was and after high school, a lot of my friends went off to New York and LA and bigger cities. And so many of these places,
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it It was very stratified. Did you grow up in the right part of town? Did you go to the right school? Tucson, because so many of us, you know, you're a native, but, you know, even when I moved here in 75, five or 10 percent of were natives. Right. And so most of Tucson has moved here from somewhere else.
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And first, thanks to the local community for being welcoming and supportive. But second, the fact that everybody had to start over again to some degree. Maybe they moved here for a job, but they started new neighborhood, new thing, you know, all that other new schools for the kids. They've had to start over. So I think Tucson is open to new people and new ideas in a way that Philadelphia, Boston, some of those might not be ah as welcoming. you know
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yeah they They have their own little networks and their own little cliques. And even the groups that exist here, a Southern Arizona Leadership Council, a Visit Tucson,
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Chamber of Commerce. All these people are open to helping support. You know, we have Startup Tucson, like I've referenced before. So, I mean, I think that Tucson is less of a closed community and more of an open community and a great place for people to just network and find help, find somebody.
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Yeah, and that's why I chose to come back. So I was born here, grew up in Douglas. So when you were moving to Tucson, I was two years old. And I was down in Douglas, and then I came back to go to U of And then after that, I went and spent a little bit of time in Austin. And then we moved to Ann Arbor, Michigan. and then we moved to Albuquerque. And I always wanted find a way to come back. So I came back in 2009 to basically raise my kids here.
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Sure. At the time I had all four grandparents still in Douglas. And so, um, I kind of came, I chose to come back and having at least this from 2009 to now a bit of an arc of how much we've really grown downtown when I went to U of a was terrible. Yeah. It was boarded up buildings and it was kind of a very seedy place. Yeah. And now you go down there and it's thriving.
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Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. No, there's a lot of good things. i i just think along those lines that... um So you came back to raise your kids.
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We struggle with our educational opportunities here. I mean, the state is criminal in how they don't fund education, and they're really trying to put nail in the coffin of public schools. But if you show up and, you know, state your truth, people will listen. You know, like I said before, if you, you know, not only...
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have an opinion, but your your actions follow your words, that you do what you say you're going to do when you say you're going to do it, that you take responsibility for those actions, this community will support you.
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Well, thanks for being part of this community, John. From the Pittsburgh kid to now a Tucson, one of Tucson's Titans, really appreciate this time for the words been sharing with us.
00:34:36
Speaker
Cheers. Thanks thank you. All right. Enjoy it.