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Cameron Resner: Hello there. I'm waking to the Cosmic Kimono podcast.
Callum Jackson: podcast
Cameron Resner: The cock cast.
Cameron Resner: Well, we've we spent our week watching two very prominent Lincoln films that both came out in 2012. Let's just say fuck yeah to America.
Callum Jackson: Yes. Did they?
Callum Jackson: God. I wondered what was going on.
Cameron Resner: I was trying to think what I could play at the beginning and that's the only thing I thought.
Callum Jackson: That's
Cameron Resner: I typed Abraham Lincoln funny on YouTube and it came up with Abraham Lincoln assassinated.
Callum Jackson: the best thing.
Cameron Resner: and i was like, Jesus Christ.
Callum Jackson: Jesus.
Cameron Resner: Some white nationals thinking that's funny.
Callum Jackson: I guess it's funny today.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Right, yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. It's funny today, I guess.
Callum Jackson: No, I mean, I thought when you said that, i was like, yeah, actually, there's been quite a few things. We've watched American-themed Sinners. We finally watched that together.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. and We have sinned. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: We have sinned. um ah Do you stand by what you said last week?
Cameron Resner: Yeah,
Callum Jackson: It was good, yeah?
Cameron Resner: yeah yeah. really liked Sinners. It's very, very stylistically cool film. Didn't expect.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Well, i I mean, I knew i didn't know that there were the twist, but ah didn't expect it to go in the ways it went. ah And just everyone, basically everyone dying.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Except from, what was it, one person? Yeah, it was, wasn't it?
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: But um yeah, no, I think, like I said, when we were watching it, there's that one scene in the middle-ish ah where it goes through like all the history as he's playing guitar.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: That was worth the price of the ticket when I went to see it in IMAX when it came out. That was definitely.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, that was very, very cool.
Callum Jackson: And I love how like the screen like slowly opened with the IMAX on normally when it was doing it. It was like really cool.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: It was like, oh, we're going into something now. So I did like that. And I do love the Irish bit, the rocky road to Dublin.
Cameron Resner: and
Callum Jackson: It's been stuck in Sofa Mine's head since we've seen it. It's going to be on the Spotify top five, I bet.
Cameron Resner: Really relighted your fire.
Callum Jackson: It did, yeah.
Cameron Resner: When did it come out? A few months ago.
Callum Jackson: February, I think it first came out.
Cameron Resner: remember.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, um good time.
Cameron Resner: um No, yeah I really enjoyed it. I thought it's a good story. which Good fun one-off movie. don't know. think there'll another one, maybe, possibly.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. um Yeah, maybe. i I do... I think with a lot of films... like it it I thought it was longer than it was. But um I do think with a lot of films...
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: like That one was clearly showing character development... Before there was even like any you know cool shit happening with vampires and that. Which is, I think, what... separates it.
Callum Jackson: It wasn't just like, oh yeah, we're here for this gore-fest horror film.
Cameron Resner: yeah Yeah, and i was enjoying the film before that, before vampires showed up, which is a sign of a good horror, yeah, I guess horror movie.
Callum Jackson: It was like the first hour is spending time with these characters and getting to know them. So by time they all start dying, you're like, oh no, actually, I did care. whatever Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, which helps.
Callum Jackson: yeah
Callum Jackson: And we, ah oh yeah, we finally watched a good horror film then.
Cameron Resner: Shit. Yes.
Callum Jackson: Yay! But um what was, ah we we both love soundtracks. Did you like the soundtrack?
Cameron Resner: ah Yeah, I like all the songs in it.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Fucking love the soundtrack. of So good.
Cameron Resner: I need to go back and listen to it a bit more. But I did listen to, can't remember when I left yours, I did listen to one of the songs.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: I think it was the ah guitar song where it's going through the history.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, it's good.
Cameron Resner: That was very good.
Callum Jackson: It is.
Cameron Resner: But yeah, the other music around it. so Squancher.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, just, ah yeah. ah Watching it again, because normally i get a bit like, oh, is it going to be like as good, like the second viewing or at home? But I enjoyed it just as much. And I liked picking up on little things this time around, because obviously when you see a film first, you don't know anything going into it.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: It was like um the Rocky Road to Dublin kept on playing, which I did obviously wasn't aware of before seeing the film, but it was like the vampires theme, which, yeah, it was quite cool.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: like instrumental version.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, there was like an instrumental version. like So when you watch it again, you'll notice it. But every time he pops up, it's like a violin sort of playing it. And i was like, oh, that's quite cool.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: And then it obviously leads up to that, you know, number. And then they attack, which is really cool.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: I just, I love the buildup of that film, to be honest. Like everything everything that happens and yeah, the character development. Like you you don't just even care for the humans. You're kind of wondering what this vampire's deal is in his history, which is quite cool.
Cameron Resner: yeah Yeah. I was very intrigued. Like if anything, I'd like to know more about that side of things. It's quite, it's quite, it's, I mean, It's a bit of a different take on vampires, I guess.
Cameron Resner: But just the story of them and how...
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Because it's a bit different in the fact that they all kind of seem to absorb each other's knowledge, which is quite cool.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. i liked that too. I thought that was quite a good take.
Cameron Resner: Some sort of hive mind.
Callum Jackson: Cause it was, it felt like he was doing it to get more knowledge. Wasn't he? Like it it seemed like he, he wanted uh,
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: the guy because he, he he clearly, he saw all the history through him. That's, I think that's how I took anyway. Like he saw and he was like, Oh, I get to see my ancestors now.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: And I thought that was quite cool.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: He was like, Oh shit, he can open up stuff. So yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, the one thing I didn't understand was why the two survived did survive at the end and why they weren't being hurt when he was hurt. Because when the main ones hit with the guitar, don't they all like scream in pain?
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: yeah Yeah, no, that I think that's just because they're all connected though, isn't it? And he's like the main one.
Cameron Resner: Right.
Callum Jackson: I think, yeah, because he's like the main...
Cameron Resner: But did they only die because of the sun?
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: And the others the other two weren't in the sun?
Callum Jackson: No, no, yeah, yeah. So the girl ran off and then he was dealing with his brother inside and he said, just stay away from him.
Cameron Resner: Right. Right, yeah.
Callum Jackson: And then because he got hit in the head and then they were all distracted, that's how... What was his name? is it ni smoke was Yeah, Smoke was the one.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: with but yeah he he That's how he ran out and got past them to stake him. Because they were all distracted. Well, not distracted. They were in fucking pain with the guitar in the side of the head.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: So, yeah. Yeah.
Cameron Resner: So is his brother just in the barn whilst he's having a showdown with the Ku Klux Klan?
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: What's that?
Callum Jackson: Yeah, i would I would assume so, right?
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Unless he got up and fucked off with the girl.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Callum Jackson: But, I mean, they didn't really show that. They just said, you know, he said, stay away from him. and then
Cameron Resner: Hmm.
Callum Jackson: But he could have just been waiting in the barn until the next son.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah. yeah I didn't realise Michael B. Jordan had a brother, though. That was very interesting to find out.
Callum Jackson: Yes. Michael A. Jordan.
Cameron Resner: Michael A. Jordan.
Callum Jackson: Or C. Jordan.
Cameron Resner: which from Which one's the better actor?
Callum Jackson: oh It's hard to tell. Can't even tell which one was playing who.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, the cast list just says there's one, but I don't believe it.
Callum Jackson: No. No, it's too too too well disguised if that's the case. It did look good though.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, it's
Callum Jackson: You didn't notice, did you, really?
Cameron Resner: No, yeah, I was going to say, I think it's a yeah it's clever how they do it. It's bit like, what was it, Legend? The
Callum Jackson: What's Legends?
Cameron Resner: one with Tom Hardy and about the Kray twins.
Callum Jackson: Yes, yeah, it was Legend, yeah, yeah.
Cameron Resner: Similar to that.
Callum Jackson: Sorry, i forgot about that.
Cameron Resner: like Just like, that was kind of seamless as well, I thought, and you didn't really recognise it. But it's crazy how you you can tell the difference between the two characters, not just with the clothing, but with how they speak and how they look, which is...
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Good sign of acting.
Cameron Resner: Impressive.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Because, yeah, no, it wasn't just the club, was It was how they literally acted was completely different to one another. And it wasn't, um you know, like comical in the way of like, oh, this one's the bad, crazy one, and this one's the calm, collected, good one.
Callum Jackson: know
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: They were just pretty level, but it was subtle enough that you were like, oh, yeah, I can tell which brothers what.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah, subtle differences in voice and stuff, which is very impressive.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Overall, nine out of 10.
Callum Jackson: yeah
Callum Jackson: yes i do give it a 10 because i just i don't really there's there's nothing wrong with that film for me like i can't even think of it that is like one of the my favorite films like i can't even think of one before the other than june part two
Cameron Resner: And a 10 out of 10. yeah
Cameron Resner: June part two.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, because I love that as well.
Cameron Resner: Yes, oh yeah.
Callum Jackson: But i can't think of something like before that, like that's sort of stuck with me. the Yeah, no, that's definitely going to stick. And yeah, I'll probably make it a, because I like to like re-watch some films on Halloween. Like I have a tradition, like I watch Lost Boys every year.
Callum Jackson: um
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: I'll probably put that on the list to have a watch every October time.
Callum Jackson: But yes, yeah, very good film. Glad you enjoyed it. Richard also enjoyed it. So yeah, that's also good when you put on a film and you you're really hyped about something and everyone turns around and just like, yeah, it's a bit shit though, isn't it?
Callum Jackson: Glad that didn't happen.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. I was trying to think what the last one and that might be.
Cameron Resner: i mean i do yeah I wouldn't say it's shit, but I don't really like Avatar.
Callum Jackson: Whoa.
Cameron Resner: Well, I don't...
Callum Jackson: No, that's fine.
Cameron Resner: I like Avatar. I just... I'm just bored by Avatar.
Callum Jackson: God, it's not even begun.
Cameron Resner: And the first Dune. The second Dune I did, really. So, i yeah.
Callum Jackson: ah you didn't like the first one?
Cameron Resner: No, again, I do like it, but it's just not something... It's not something I go back and re-watch. Like, I'm like...
Callum Jackson: I've watched it every year.
Cameron Resner: I'm glad I got... don't... Like i'm glad I watched it. It's got some, it's very cinematic and very visually pleasing.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: I just, the thought of going back to what, like I haven't watched the first Avatar since it came out, I don't think.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I think I do agree. Like, I think the second June is more entertaining um as a movie.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: ah But like, I watched it back to back this year.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: And that was that was something else. Like watching them like together. was like a five, six hour length film. And I was just like, this is amazing. I did have like that.
Callum Jackson: one quick break in the middle but no it was it was great and yeah definitely I just I like them just equally I think it's the same as Avatar though I really enjoy the first and second film as you know but I'm a big fan of Avatar but the new one's coming out this December which also looks great what what oh that was that was a trailer and it was Fantastic Four I didn't think I was getting it yeah and then it came up and I was like oh my god I was very excited for that but uh
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Oh yeah, at the beginning.
Cameron Resner: What's the runtime of this one?
Callum Jackson: probably five hours maybe
Cameron Resner: 192 Three hours. three hours 12 minutes. ah three hours
Callum Jackson: You what? What, the new one?
Cameron Resner: yeah three hours twelve
Callum Jackson: That's without the extended cut.
Cameron Resner: I think that's the thing as well. is i I think I could, yeah, maybe when the 3rd June comes out, a'll I think once they're all out, like on the old DVD, I'd quite like to watch them all in one day, but not in a cinema setting because i would break my ass
Callum Jackson: Hmm.
Callum Jackson: Yeah...
Callum Jackson: Oh God. Yeah, no I agree though. I think like, ah just because I'd like, I love them. I do think like they're quite time consuming. They're all, everything we've just said is a long film.
Callum Jackson: They're all almost three hours, if not three hours. Yeah. yeah So no, I understand like not needing to return, but you did enjoy them. Like you, you can rate that. Like, I think there's plenty of films that I've rated five and i would just be like, that was great. I don't need to see you again.
Cameron Resner: Oh yeah, for sure.
Callum Jackson: So, yeah.
Cameron Resner: There's a timeline.
Callum Jackson: I mean, I love Dances with Wolves and I think i I've seen it like twice now, but I watched, the last time I watched it was the extended one, which is...
Callum Jackson: four hours, I think. And I was like, I don't need to watch you for a long time. So yeah, I get it.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Like, and and that film I think about often. And yeah, that's another film. I love the soundtrack in that. So yeah, that's a great film. But yeah.
Cameron Resner: Do you think about Napoleon often?
Callum Jackson: Oh God.
Cameron Resner: Do you remember half of Napoleon?
Callum Jackson: I don't remember a thing in Napoleon other than not remembering anything.
Cameron Resner: Imagine if we actually did what we planned to do and went to see that in Florida.
Callum Jackson: I would have...
Cameron Resner: How much of a waste of time we would have felt that was.
Callum Jackson: I would have hated it even more. i Actually, do you know what? I would have got to about an hour and gone, Cameron, should we leave?
Cameron Resner: God, it's only two hours and 40 minutes. And that's the director's cut.
Callum Jackson: Fuck off.
Cameron Resner: What?
Callum Jackson: Oh my god, that means we saw a short...
Cameron Resner: How long? Yeah. I have been quite interested in going back and watching it because I'm like, maybe I just wasn't in the right. i was We were tired. So it was the day we got back, right?
Callum Jackson: Uh...
Cameron Resner: The day after?
Callum Jackson: Yeah, it was like the day after, wasn't it?
Cameron Resner: It was definitely. Yeah. Oh, no, I think it was the day.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Well, the day we got back. It could have been, but no, feel like it was the day after because I came home and slept for 24 hours straight.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but still.
Callum Jackson: So yeah, I don't. But no, I remember i even i think Planting the Apes was around that time too. Or no, they no, no, I don't remember now. There was a film that I went to see with George as well and I fell asleep during.
Callum Jackson: Like quite, yeah. so But and I was going to say it was fucking Bob Marley, but it wasn't. And it can't have been Planet of Yates because I think that came out in May. I don't know. Bob Marley, I definitely fell asleep in a bit though.
Callum Jackson: But no, there was a film. I feel like I went with George and I was like, I'm fucking tired.
Cameron Resner: yeah
Callum Jackson: But um yeah, no. I can't remember what was. George, if you're listening, please tell me what it was.
Cameron Resner: Oh, no, it's okay. So I was wrong. The theatrical is two hours and 48 minutes. the The director's cut is three and a half hours.
Callum Jackson: God, that makes it worse.
Cameron Resner: Okay.
Callum Jackson: Fucking hell. God, no, I'm not doing it. There was nothing there in the base film that made me want to see more, so and I'm not going to do it.
Cameron Resner: Is it Ridley Scott? It is, isn't it?
Callum Jackson: It is. He loves doing that.
Cameron Resner: He loves...
Callum Jackson: Did he also do that Kingdom of Heaven film?
Cameron Resner: didn't do...
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I was just looking at that art to see how long that was, because that...
Callum Jackson: Was that him? And he done the the Extended Cut, which people fucking love. I haven't seen either one, but that has been on my list.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: He loves an extended camp, but not of Gladiator.
Callum Jackson: He does.
Cameron Resner: Weird.
Callum Jackson: What about Gladiator 2?
Cameron Resner: No, i don't think so.
Callum Jackson: What about Prometheus? No, I think there was a little bit on Prometheus.
Cameron Resner: There is.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. And then Alien Covenant, I think there was there was lots of like side content, there?
Callum Jackson: What about...
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like a build-up to the film.
Cameron Resner: Like mini-movie, yeah.
Cameron Resner: Anyway, what else have you been shagging this week?
Callum Jackson: God.
Cameron Resner: Who else have you been shagging?
Callum Jackson: Your mum. ah no i ah No, I was going to say games. I still haven't returned to Metal Gear Delta.
Cameron Resner: I saw you on Metal Gear 1, though.
Callum Jackson: Yes. And I fucking love it. It's so good. I've been busy the past few days, but on the weekend I did play it for five hours straight. So I'm almost at the end.
Cameron Resner: Very nice.
Callum Jackson: um I've just done hind the Hind D.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: And, oh, God, it's so good. I mean, i literally, Snake just came out with Riot. And, obviously, this is the one I remember the least.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Like, I know the whole game, but I remember i remember the least of, like ah like, actual dialogue in the game. Like, I remember the start and all that, but, like, Snake Eater is just, I remember the whole thing.
Cameron Resner: Okay.
Callum Jackson: Um... But with the first one, like I took on the hindee and when it goes down and it like blows up and it's on fire, Snake just goes, um well, that's the cremation sorted or something.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: And I was like, like um to come out with that, like, Jesus Christ, that's so good. and And he keeps coming out with cheeky shit the whole game. Like he's flirting with any woman in it.
Callum Jackson: And just anything he says, and yeah he's good.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Very annoying.
Callum Jackson: like Where, like, forgot...
Cameron Resner: Kind of weird.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, go on.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, you go. so
Callum Jackson: I just forgot, like, how different Solid Snake is to, like, Big Boss.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I was it's about to say, Big Boss is just gooning over his pistol most of the game.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: When Ava's there and just getting naked in front of him.
Callum Jackson: Nonslip Grooves.
Callum Jackson: Yes.
Cameron Resner: Doesn't give a shit.
Callum Jackson: Well, they like he said that in this one. He was like, I can't remember what Meryl said, but she was like, oh, so there's something you like about me. ah yeah and And then he goes, yeah, you've got a nice butt.
Callum Jackson: And I was like, what the fuck? but And then she's like,
Cameron Resner: Is it the second game where you can catch him masturbating in the locker?
Callum Jackson: yeah, I think you like the door closes and like you sort of you can hear it or something.
Cameron Resner: And then you go on a codec call.
Callum Jackson: Or you can kiss the locker.
Cameron Resner: I thought you went on a codec call and they're like they're like, Snake, what are you doing? And he's just absolutely...
Callum Jackson: yeah Yeah, I think there is. But like if you go, you can push your face against the lock, and it goes... I think, that yeah, it's quite funny. But yeah, I thought... It's so funny because he's like, no, I'm a soldier. I'll just do orders. And then like he's like, I'm going to bang Meryl.
Cameron Resner: God.
Callum Jackson: He's...
Callum Jackson: Sweet release.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, it's just, it's so good. I can't wait for that. They have to keep making them because when that one's remade, oh, it's just, it's so, all the villains as well. Like, obviously I like, we are the sons of the boss.
Callum Jackson: I do like them lot. so Snake Eater.
Cameron Resner: yeah
Callum Jackson: But ah just Psycho Mantis and fucking Revolver Ocelot. All the quotes as well are flooding into my memory of like when I was a kid and we were just set.
Callum Jackson: like i literally sat at the table the other day and was just like, hurt me more, which is what Cyborg Ninja says like to Snake.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: He's like, make me feel alive again. And my mum started laughing. That's how much it's our family knows Metal Gear. So, yeah, and it was just like I was going, one more try with, like, Revolver Ocelot.
Callum Jackson: Oh, my God. Yeah, I need to tell you this. This is why I was playing it for five hours, by the way. um there's a bit and I should have known this because I do know this but I just i was playing and just being dumb and it took me so far back but you have to tap and ah circle yeah the torture scene you have to tap circle and I fucked it the first time but the reason I fucked it was my hand was gripped the controller and my other fingers pressed the submit button so then Snake went no I'll tell you what you want i was like what the fuck so I just exited the game
Cameron Resner: is torturing.
Callum Jackson: And my last save was fucking ages ago. and I was like, oh, but then he does he does tell you. goes, I mean, regardless, he tells you.
Callum Jackson: And he's like, yeah, if you don't win anyway, like you're going back to your last save.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: And I was like, fuck me. So I just lost like two hours and I had to go all the way through it again.
Cameron Resner: is
Callum Jackson: So, yeah, that's why I've been on it so long.
Cameron Resner: That's fucked.
Callum Jackson: But other than that, it's not that long of a game.
Cameron Resner: a
Callum Jackson: But, yeah, I had to do that again.
Cameron Resner: No. Platinum 80 hours long there.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, fuck that. ain't doing it. It's like 300 VR missions. I'm good.
Cameron Resner: I would quite like to play the VR missions. um I might.
Callum Jackson: and the VR ah missions are good. Not 300 of them.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. No. I might get the collection in the coming weeks and maybe try those because I didn't actually play those at all.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. And I think you can get them separately.
Cameron Resner: The second ones.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: So just buy them separately and then go, oh when I fancy the other one.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: know I Unless there's a sale for them all.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, exactly.
Callum Jackson: But yeah.
Cameron Resner: I do want to play the 2D ones as well. think that would be quite…
Callum Jackson: Yeah, i i me personally, because I have no attachment to them either. I think they're too old for me. Like I did try them. um And on this collection, I was just like, yeah, I can't bother with this.
Callum Jackson: But that they're they're the sort of games I do want remade, to be honest. Like they're the ones where you go and kill big boss, which is Venom Snake.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, other than that. So um yeah, I haven't honestly been playing anything else. I haven't had much time other than that. What have you been playing and have you progressed Silksong?
Cameron Resner: ah Yes, I have progressed in Silksong. have yeah very Very good game. it's very
Cameron Resner: doesn't hold your hand at all. It's not difficult in the way that there's like difficult bosses, although there there are has been one that I've run into and it's been hard, but there's a lot to remember at all times. It's not a game that you can... like leave for too long and come back to.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: ah
Callum Jackson: ah yeah
Cameron Resner: Which is good because it's engaging and you've got a kind of keep yourself in it. But there's like like... It's like one big world map, but... In each area, you'll find someone who sells you a map and then they'll sell you like tokens to put on the map.
Cameron Resner: And like, so you don't have a map when you go into a new area. You just got to kind of find your way around. And then if you die in some random place, you're like, shit, how do I get back? You've got to remember like the route you took to get back there.
Callum Jackson: Right, okay.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: So it's kind of like a dog's house.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, a bit. But yeah, as I said, it's like not difficult in like the bosses. It is kind of a different kind of difficulty, I feel like.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: and ah The bosses aren't that bad, but if you die on a boss, you're like, fuck, that could be a bit of a run back.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: But it is fun, and like the ah the abilities you unlock and stuff. are really good. It's quite well paced. And the but the world is just very, very intriguing. very but There's some areas that you go to and it's just like super calm, cool, nice music.
Cameron Resner: um And you're just kind of basically platforming for an area um for like five, 10 minutes that there's no enemies at all. And then you'll end up in this place that looks like
Callum Jackson: Oh, okay.
Cameron Resner: the devil's anus and you'll be you'll be fighting all these people but it kind of does that kind of both those vibes quite well um which is cool
Callum Jackson: Yeah. So is it kind of like the Prince of Persia games? The new, the sort of new two ones?
Cameron Resner: Yeah, yeah ah ah yeah. I mean, I'd say so in my basic premise.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Prince of Persia was yeah a bit more action-y and a bit more ah the parkour in that is kind of more of the focus and like how you get around the world and stuff.
Callum Jackson: Right.
Cameron Resner: This one in Hollow Knight is more...
Cameron Resner: It's less about the movement and more about light just finely tuned like combat and stuff, even though it looks quite simple like if you're looking at it, but there's a lot of depth to it, which is cool.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I think that's what light sort caught me off guard because when I saw it, I was just like, this simple 2D platformer has apparently fucking taken over the world and like had a shadow drop launch.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: And was like, okay, what's the deal with this?
Cameron Resner: yeah
Callum Jackson: That's why I didn't really clock on what was. But would you say before like I would jump into that one, I'm not in a rush, but would you say like to do the first one? but Have a go at the first one?
Cameron Resner: and Yeah, I mean, i have I only really played the first one for a little bit. i didn't
Callum Jackson: yeah
Cameron Resner: But from what I've heard, like I don't think... I mean, I think they are linked, but it doesn't really matter. and
Callum Jackson: oh no it's only because like i I literally I think it was part of PS Plus at some point but I have the first one that's that's all I was like oh should just give that a try
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, give it a go, but I would say that this one is a lot better, just in terms of it feels a lot more...
Cameron Resner: Like, I'm saying this is this is difficult, but I think the first one's a lot more, even more obtuse and even more like you don't know what the fuck you're doing most the time. Whereas this one, you do have kind of a goal and you do have something pointing you in a specific direction to go to constantly.
Callum Jackson: Right. Okay.
Callum Jackson: Okay.
Cameron Resner: Whereas the first one, I think if I remember you just dropped into the world and it's like, cool, find your way to the bottom of this tree or whatever.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Right.
Cameron Resner: ah
Callum Jackson: Okay.
Cameron Resner: So yeah, it depends if you like that kind of shit.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Well, I was going to give Hella's ass a try, wasn't I? And that's same thing of not knowing anything.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, because that's quite similar, apparently.
Callum Jackson: You have to kind of make your own way through. yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: yeah I will give it a go. I just, yeah, there's fucking tons coming out. So, yeah, I'm just going to try and get through Metal Gear 2 as well before Ghost comes out.
Callum Jackson: um And then, yeah.
Cameron Resner: When is that in October?
Callum Jackson: Yeah, October second
Cameron Resner: Very nice, very nice.
Callum Jackson: which I'm quite looking forward to. I don't know. I'll let you know. But I don't know if it's like one of those things where it's been done and it looks too similar to the one that I love.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: ah That kind of happened with Spider-Man 2, really.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: um And I was like, I do still enjoy it, but I kind of come away going, yeah, I've done that before. which uh i think we spoke about this already but the uh jedi survivor i felt done enough new where i was like yeah that's like a worthy sequel where like spider-man i don't personally think they've done enough new for me to go holy shit that's a sequel i know the story is different and all that but map was the same they didn't even need to add like i think what was it queens that they added
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I know mean
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I think they did where Pia lives.
Cameron Resner: what you mean.
Callum Jackson: um But they didn't need to add that like to make me go, oh my god, yeah, this is so much bigger. like I would have just changed the whole city, to be honest, like because it's next gen.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: you know I would have been like, here's the updated New York, and it wouldn't have mattered because it's the next game. But hopefully with Spider-Man 3, it'll itll be a nice finale, I hope.
Callum Jackson: But, um, I still really enjoyed it.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: I just think it's not, you know, like once it, it was done with Spider-Man one and then I didn't feel like the second one upgraded enough for it to be this big thing.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, especially like apparently was like one of the most expensive games they've ever made, which is insane as well.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: I think, yeah, we did speak about it. Yeah.
Cameron Resner: yeah
Callum Jackson: I just, I don't, I don't understand either. Um,
Cameron Resner: and But Ghosts, yeah, Ghosts of Yotir, intrigued. I think, just for me, there's, it feels like the Japanese setting went from being very underutilized to just being everywhere.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I agree.
Cameron Resner: And then, like, Jesus Christ.
Callum Jackson: I think that's what has done it as well. Like, I've seen it so much and it's not so even just Japanese. It's purely samurai.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, exactly.
Callum Jackson: Like that like feudal Japan type shit where it's just like, yeah, it's just samurai.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: And I'm like, okay.
Cameron Resner: yeah And then there's like another Neo coming out and I'm like, Jesus.
Callum Jackson: But...
Callum Jackson: The thing that i that Ghost wins over the other ones for me personally, I think the combat's the best out of like all these Japanese like samurai games. And I think the well the story and I love as well. It it does everything think better than the other competition. I think that's why I go to those ones. But one of the things is its art style is just so...
Cameron Resner: Yeah, it's very good.
Callum Jackson: it's beautiful to look at. It's not even the best looking game, but what they do with their art style, when you go through different areas, everything has a distinct look. It just, it looks fucking amazing. And the way that there's no map, well, there is like on the main menu, but no mini map and you use the wind or like birds or foxes to go.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: So I love that. So I will, I'm interested to do all that shit again. Cause I do like that, that that was the way that you used exploration.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: And I think,
Cameron Resner: They have to move forward in time a bit, haven't they?
Callum Jackson: Yeah, yeah, I think it's like 500 years because you've got guns now.
Cameron Resner: Different setting. Yeah. Yeah, 100, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: So, yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah,
Callum Jackson: And they have changed up a bit. Like, instead of the stances, you have weapons now. But I like the stances.
Cameron Resner: yeah I don't know. Do you have... I was going to say, I didn't know whether you had weapons and stances or...
Callum Jackson: No, it's just the weapons.
Cameron Resner: Because with Neo 3, they've added, think, because you had the stances in Neo, but they've added, like, you have like your all your normal stances, and then you change to another form, and you have all these other stances.
Callum Jackson: So...
Callum Jackson: Yes.
Cameron Resner: And I was like, Jesus Christ.
Callum Jackson: Jesus. I think, yeah, thats that's fair enough, because those games are like designed around the combat, aren't they?
Cameron Resner: It's really complicated stuff.
Callum Jackson: like That's their main focus, so that's fine.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: i just I don't know if I prefer having the one sword and stances, because I kind of got used to doing that, but I guess it's technically the same, because you'll see a big guy and you'll be like, right, time for the big sword, instead of just going, right, I need to go for the big guy stance or whatever.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: yeah yeah
Callum Jackson: So we'll see how it goes. I am looking forward to it, but I'm a little bit cautious after games like Spider-Man 2 because I'm like, it's it's another sequel. And when I look at I still do think like as I'm looking at every trailer, I'm like, i this is more of the same. Like I've done this.
Callum Jackson: So we'll see. ah Hopefully the story is really good and the combat is like the new weapons and that wins me over. hope that's going to be the case.
Cameron Resner: The Assassin's Creed Shadow's story.
Callum Jackson: God. No, actually, that that goes on to another subject.
Cameron Resner: Yes, please.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, like, Assassin's Creed. that that That's why I, like, sold Shadows. But i was going actually talk about the thing that I wanted to speak to you earlier about was the... I saw on ah IGN, they and it just makes no sense to me.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: So I said, like, this article says, Stop removing the modern day. Assassin's Creed fans react as Black Flag remake reportedly cuts everything outside the animus.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: right and i'm like who the fuck's saying stop removing the modern day do you remember when we were younger and it was like oh these bits are so fucking pointless like past desmond i mean yeah like because i liked the desmond stuff i thought that was quite cool but past that they do not know what to do with the modern day and especially in four it was probably the worst you were like first person with an ipad it was bad
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah. No.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, yeah. It did it did get but ah get a bit better in Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla. But those games were so, like, and I am someone that did quite like the story, but I just, like, i realized that at the end of Valhalla, they're just, it just, like...
Cameron Resner: It just doesn't make any sense anymore. And they're just adding it in because they feel like they need to.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: And Shadows didn't really have it. I think Shadows had...
Callum Jackson: No, it didn't.
Cameron Resner: I don't think you come out of the animus at all. You just speak to like this entity. And it's a shame because it could be really cool to have like this modern Assassin's Creed...
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: like setting um because like i think it's assassin's creed 3 where you yeah watch dogs where you where you do play in modern times a bit more and you're like a full assassin and you you do do like some cool missions in modern day so yeah but yeah i mean i don't i don't mind them removing that from black flag and i think quite interesting yeah
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Watch Dogs.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, i agree.
Callum Jackson: No, I think, yeah, removing it from Black Flag is where I was getting at. Like, I don't care about it in Black Flag. But um people said it does affect the story. But they i did see a on the article as well, it said that they're adding new story to sort of fill in those areas that it does affect.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I saw that.
Callum Jackson: So I'm hoping, you know, yeah. I i mean, i don't really. That game I remember was when it first started with the modern day stuff. And I was like, yeah, you can stop this now. I just want to be a pirate.
Cameron Resner: and And they've literally got like an in-universe explanation for it. They can just say, this is someone else playing through those memories.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: like If they really want to, if they need to explain it to the audience.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: I don't think they do, but...
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Or just put a bit more effort in because I think like, um, like you said, like the modern day stuff would be cool, but they don't really. Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, because it does link back. I remember that someone that you meet in Black Flag, like in the Caribbean, is then in the modern day later on.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: But yeah, I don't care about that.
Callum Jackson: But, um,
Cameron Resner: i thought yeah Apparently the they are changing the combat for it.
Callum Jackson: Oh, that's what I wanted to get to. That's that's my real concern.
Cameron Resner: don't know.
Callum Jackson: they Like I saw here, says, other changes for the roomke remake include overhauled combat and gear systems that are closer to the modern Assassin's Creed games.
Callum Jackson: I don't like the modern Assassin's Creed games. I don't want them anywhere near Black Flag.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: So I don't know how that's going to go with me. I mean, it will look all glossy and new and it'll itll be great. And then you jump on a ship and then you start fighting like Valhalla. I'll be like, fucking hell.
Callum Jackson: Well, like in the, it suited Black Flag.
Cameron Resner: Shadows, to be fair, Shadows does have a lot more of those animation stuff. Like, it is it is definitely Valhalla-based, but it's you do...
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: I was surprised, actually, in in like the small time I did play it that like when you do finishes, when you kind of parry people, you do kind of get these flashy animations, which kind of reminded me of those.
Cameron Resner: So if they can maybe put it more towards that direction, I think that could be a positive.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I mean, i personally for me, I think it's like the animations that go with it i just that's why That is actually why I just gave up on Shadows completely because I knew that I love how it looks in the Ghost games and i was like, I'm not putting up with this.
Callum Jackson: So that was why I gave up because, i was yeah, it loves it does look better than any of the other sort of ones since they've turned into RPGs, but I was still just like, yeah,
Cameron Resner: That's fair.
Callum Jackson: No. Yeah, it's it's not for me. The combat is 100% not for me. it just doesn't click with me. It just sank about it. looks off. I don't know what it is completely, but they have been improving.
Callum Jackson: I will say that. In Shadows, it was a step up, definitely from like Valhalla, but I just still didn't click with it. I did like the Spartan kick Odyssey there.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: The kick felt cool. But yeah, yeah just it's not it's not for me. So I hope that it doesn't go too far from Black Flag. And I know Black Flag like would would feel probably dated now like with the combat, but i I still...
Cameron Resner: yeah
Callum Jackson: I don't know. I would have...
Cameron Resner: thing i've I mean, I've tried to play 3 recently, and I got to the point where you become an assassin again, and I was like playing, like doing some of the general like side stuff, going to like clearing out bases and stuff.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Yeah.
Cameron Resner: And I was like, and hey it's cool. It feels like nostalgic, but I was like, I don't know if I want to play Assassin's Creed 3 for 30 hours like this.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: But I think, I mean, it's almost been Yeah, I mean, it's almost been 10 years since Origins came out, and that was like rebooting the franchise.
Callum Jackson: Jesus.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: So at the time of Origins came out, it'd be basically been 10 years since Assassin's Creed 1 came out. So maybe it's time for something different again.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I think it is. Because, I mean, they'll probably do they'll be so late on another trend. Like, ah now it'll be like a Souls-like, that's where they'll go with Assassin's Creed.
Callum Jackson: But um I feel like I don't, um I haven't completed an Assassin's Creed since Syndicate, which was the last one, wasn't it?
Cameron Resner: More?
Callum Jackson: Of that style, like the older style.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: So I did like Origins. I just didn't finish it and going back to that because there is upgrades in the later games like in Valhalla and Shadows that I like that just don't exist in Origins. So I can't, every time I try and go back to Origins, I'm like, oh, you don't have it here.
Callum Jackson: So yeah, I probably won't go back, but um that one I would have liked to have completed at least.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Like I like the setting of that one. Well, again, the other ones haven't really interested me except from Shadows, but yeah.
Cameron Resner: um was going to say, maybe mid-pack flow will be more interesting because you like the setting. Story's good.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I definitely think yeah.
Cameron Resner: And...
Callum Jackson: do agree with that. Yeah. Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Because I agree, like, I mean, I think Odyssey is my, one of my top played games in terms of hours, because it's fucking huge.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: But, like, and Valhalla's close, I think, because I think that came out during lockdown, or somewhere during COVID.
Callum Jackson: yeah
Cameron Resner: Just played it a shit ton. But I'm kind of looking forward to... not having to spend 100 hours in an Assassin's Creed game to finish it.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, definitely.
Cameron Resner: Which is why I stopped playing Shadows, because i was like, I'm not doing this.
Callum Jackson: They did say was short though, didn't they?
Cameron Resner: I mean, yeah, but this I like saw the map and I was like, this is ridiculous.
Callum Jackson: But...
Callum Jackson: Yeah. Yeah, no idea. I just, I saved my samurai gameplay just because I knew I was getting ghosts this year and I was like, yeah, that was another reason. If there was no new ghost game coming out, I would have probably sat through it a bit more.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, that is very fair.
Callum Jackson: But... Yeah, I don't have time for this. Maybe one day when it's on PS Plus, I'll give it another go, but not not too bothered anyway.
Cameron Resner: you How far did you get through Sekiro? Because you played that not long ago, right?
Callum Jackson: ah You say not long ago. It's over a year. it's like It was like last February or something.
Cameron Resner: Right.
Callum Jackson: um But I don't know how far I got, but that's the one Souls game that I've managed to play and not absolutely been fucked over.
Callum Jackson: And, oh, yeah, but that that's, I meant like the ones made by From Software, sorry.
Cameron Resner: Black Myth Wukong?
Cameron Resner: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, um every other From Software I can't get on with. That one, for some reason, i did enjoy, but I played it for about 15 hours. and I don't know how long now, but I was surprised I put that many hours into it. And I have been wanting to go back.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah, probably a considerable chunk through. I mean, it's not... It's probably like 25, 30.
Callum Jackson: I just remember fighting a woman. I think the parrying system is just really good in it.
Cameron Resner: Oh, the butterfly woman, Madam...
Callum Jackson: Yes, the butterfly woman, yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: But the parrying system is just really good in it. And I think what helped me was...
Cameron Resner: I think that's the first fight where you properly use it, like, so it's full power.
Callum Jackson: Yes. Oh my God. Yeah, was fucking mental. But um I think jedi the Jedi games helped me with that because I was playing them on...
Callum Jackson: I don't think I was going Grandmaster, but Jedi Master. And that was really helping me with the timing of
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: like parrying and I and i that I mean that's how I pretty much just played Jedi so like parrying and I don't think I mean um you probably can in the other like Souls games but I haven't really been able to master it and the dodging I don't know I just there's something about I can't get used to where the Jedi game you can dodge and you parry and that was like the focus so I'm good at that
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, and when it's focused on that. I mean, you can do that.
Callum Jackson: um And yeah, Black Myth, yeah, that was good. But there was no parrying in that. Well, there is, but it's not strong. it's It's more dodge in that game, isn't it?
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I think we both stopped playing that at the same point. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: We did. I did go back a little bit, and I do enjoy it every time I put it on.
Cameron Resner: Just after the ice turtle or whatever.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, that's...
Cameron Resner: i Yeah.
Callum Jackson: I don't know. I can put so much time into these games, which caused me to have a headache after a while.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, Black Myth was annoying because it didn't have a map, did it?
Callum Jackson: It does now, though.
Cameron Resner: Oh, does it? Oh.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, yeah, yeah. fully detailed map as well.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, because that was actually why it stopped, because I was like, I can't.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: I remember remembering where all these things are, because you would backtrack through things, and there'd be like side graphs.
Callum Jackson: No, i agree.
Cameron Resner: was like, fuck this.
Callum Jackson: And it was also, it was it was open enough to annoy you that there was every every fucking turn in you took, there wasn't just one way.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: There was definitely a split off.
Cameron Resner: Two ways, yeah.
Callum Jackson: Two or three ways.
Cameron Resner: Two ways every road.
Callum Jackson: And you were like, oh, but what if I miss something? And chances are you are. But now there then now there is a map and then when you walk through it, it starts defogging.
Cameron Resner: Oh, cool.
Callum Jackson: So that's helped.
Cameron Resner: Does it show things on the map?
Callum Jackson: I'm not sure if it shows things.
Cameron Resner: Or is it just like a way?
Callum Jackson: I think it shows basic things, but not like treasure chests, maybe shrines.
Cameron Resner: Hmm.
Cameron Resner: What I do like is when maps give you the ability to put your own markers down. I think The Witcher 3 was one of the first ones that I played.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: You do that. But then, like, Silksong allows you to do that. And it's quite a cool way of like feeling like you're interacting with it. What else does that?
Cameron Resner: Oh, Elden Ring does that as well.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, handy features.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: But um yeah, I mean, i wish there was more time before the new games come out because I still want to do The Witcher, but I'm i'm like hooked on Metal Gear at the moment.
Cameron Resner: Very handy.
Callum Jackson: And then obviously we do play in the afternoons, evenings sometimes, and we're normally playing the finals. So yeah, it's fitting in the games, isn't it?
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Cameron Resner: It's very tough to get it all in, but just got to play what you want to play.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Exactly.
Cameron Resner: Exactly.
Callum Jackson: Exactly.
Cameron Resner: Should we move on to the main topic of the show?
Callum Jackson: Yes. So far in, but we had so much to talk about. I just realised the time, but yeah, um yeah but let's talk about that.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Cameron Resner: That's got time. Talk about Lincoln.
Callum Jackson: Yes.
Cameron Resner: Lincoln 2012. Both that came out in 2012, which I thought was quite interesting.
Cameron Resner: and
Callum Jackson: No, we watched the same film, didn't we?
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: You once had vampires in it, didn't you?
Cameron Resner: It did have a mention of a vampire in it, which was very intriguing.
Callum Jackson: kill
Cameron Resner: So do you want to you want to explain what you watched?
Callum Jackson: I watched ah Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter. I believe it's Vampire Hunter, not Slayer. But I tell you, my year has been full of vampires.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: I think Soph and I started Buffy.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: um we We're watching What We Do in the Shadows, obviously Sinners, and now this.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: I think there's other things. Oh, like Nosferatu we watched. But there's been so much vampire this year. And there will be more. And then oh also the fucking blood and wine DLC and fucking witcher is vampires.
Cameron Resner: and will
Cameron Resner: yeah um nice you know
Callum Jackson: and Jesus Christ. Oh, and vamps in metal gear too.
Cameron Resner: God, yeah, I'm going to get to him.
Callum Jackson: There's so many vampires.
Cameron Resner: He's a massive problem.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, um right. and Yesterday, because we all saw each other, i've ive forgot I was trying not to say anything about this film. But it fucking crazy. Do you know, um I put Sophie through it, but she fell asleep.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: um But this film feels older than it is. I did not know was 2012. This feels... this fills
Callum Jackson: 2005 maybe between 2005 and 10 and it feels very much like oh shit the matrix has just come out let's make that right
Cameron Resner: Right.
Cameron Resner: Okay, just coming up.
Callum Jackson: And um it's like, I mean, when it started, fucking, what's his name?
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Dominic Cooper? Is that his name?
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I think Dominic.
Callum Jackson: Is that the guy from Mamma Mia, right?
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. He just comes in. This is just off the top of my head, right? He just comes in, fucking grabs a vampire and throws him up a building and the building starts shattering.
Cameron Resner: Who is he playing? Is he Lincoln?
Callum Jackson: No, no, no. he's He's like a vampire hunter, but he's a vampire himself.
Cameron Resner: Oh.
Cameron Resner: Right. Interesting.
Callum Jackson: But he just throws this fucking vampire through a bit. And i was like, oh, okay, it's this kind of film. So obviously I watched it when it came out. And I remember certain bits like running on top of horses. You just can't forget that.
Cameron Resner: Running on. Okay. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah? Yeah. Are you with me?
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: The film is fucking wild. Please watch it. Honestly, I was like, but it's it's got that edge to it. It's also got that really fucking ugly glow to it. Like, I don't know if you know i'm talking about, but you're watching a film and there's a filter on it and it looks like everything's glowing or it's got a fucking Vaseline smear on the lens.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. yeah
Callum Jackson: but honestly it's not a bad film it's not great but I did have fun watching in it but it had like that that fucking essence to it where it was like everything it scenes were shot in slow motion like he would do a move and it was slow it was just it was so over the top though and Soph turned to me she was like if I showed you something like this you would turn around to me and be like what's this pile of shit and i was like no you're missing this this is fucking awesome So good.
Callum Jackson: But he just, it it does not waste time, Cameron. It's like, he's just like, okay, well, a vampire killed your mum.
Cameron Resner: didn't
Callum Jackson: And then I had to go back in my history books to see if that was...
Cameron Resner: get that context in my... okay
Callum Jackson: and But Dominic Cooper's just like, look, here's an axe.
Cameron Resner: ah didn't get like um and
Callum Jackson: No, yeah sorry. He's like, oh, I don't know. i don't He's like, I'm not very good with weapons because he fucks killing a vampire. Even though he gets him in the eye. but anyway, he said he's not good with weapons. So he gets a fucking axe, right? And he like melts silver onto it to kill vampires.
Callum Jackson: Now I'm telling you, There's a bit and he goes, swing this axe. And he's like, cut down this tree in one chop.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: And um but I still think it's cool. i'm on the I'm on the team of that scene where he cuts down a whole fucking tree. And as he hits it, it explodes.
Callum Jackson: And just shoots off. It's it's fucking cool. I will send it to you. i'm like He's like, oh, and why are you angry against vampires? I'm like, he's still a human, right? He is, by the way.
Callum Jackson: But he manages to still cut down a fucking tree with one swing.
Cameron Resner: yeah
Callum Jackson: Anyway, and so that's setting you up for the film and it it ends in a finale of fucking a train. We love train. and Train bit. This is another train sequence that is... You know what? It's fun.
Callum Jackson: It's not...
Cameron Resner: top of the train, in the train.
Callum Jackson: It's cheesy, corny. And there were so many people that were just fucking turning up. like um Abraham Lincoln's played by the guy that plays... is it Gil... Gil... Gil Gallad?
Callum Jackson: In...
Cameron Resner: and
Callum Jackson: In Rings of Power?
Cameron Resner: Oh, yeah, yup yeah, yeah, yeah.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, he plays him and then it had the guy, I don't remember his name either, but it had like, oh, it had fucking Captain America in it, Anthony Mackie. He was just there.
Cameron Resner: Oh.
Callum Jackson: And then um Mary Elizabeth Winston was in it. Ramona Flowers herself was there as Abraham Lincoln's love interest.
Cameron Resner: Mm.
Callum Jackson: It just had, people would just turn around and was like, oh was' him.
Cameron Resner: Guy from, yeah, from Westworld.
Callum Jackson: yeah, yeah, William's in it, from Westworld, yeah, William, I was just like, damn, there's some people here, it's alright, but,
Cameron Resner: William, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cameron Resner: And what was your favorite? That was your favorite moment?
Callum Jackson: the the bit when he cuts down the tree is just fucking, it's cool, but there was like some, you know, like, you you would think, like, when I put on, and like, even reading the name back in the day when I was a kid watching it, I was like, well, who fucking came up with this?
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: it's just weird. Like, it's a weird concept. I don't know what makes it that weird, because if you were like, I mean, no, it would be the same thing, but, you know, George Washington Vampire Hunter, you'd like, what the fuck is going on? But there's something about a Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter that is just so weird that it exists to me.
Callum Jackson: that And,
Cameron Resner: um Very weird it came out in the same year as another.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, but if you watch it, watch it, honestly, just give it a try and tell me like the budget isn't ridiculous for this film. like Nothing looks that bad considering it's 2012.
Cameron Resner: yeah
Callum Jackson: And there's all these really like scenes that cut to another scene and and I'm like, why did you even need, you didn't need to do that. And obviously the vampire effects and the choreography of it. And I was like, okay, so it's not bad on that aspect. I don't think so anyway. i mean I'm easily entertained on stuff like that.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, honestly, I thought ah it's okay. I'm not going to go mad on it. I just, it's just, I just thought for what it was, I'm surprised it exists. And yeah it was, it was just a fun time. It it felt earlier than 2012 though. will a hundred percent it give it that.
Callum Jackson: Like it it did. look It felt like it was like it, like I said, the matrix has just come out. We need to jump on this. with all the slow motion and action scenes, was like, fucking hell.
Callum Jackson: Like, blades just come out of something.
Cameron Resner: gonna say that feels, yeah, feels quite late to get on that bandwagon.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, definitely. So, my film was fucking entertaining start to finish.
Cameron Resner: What did you get it?
Callum Jackson: How was your one?
Cameron Resner: What did you get it finally?
Callum Jackson: I haven't given it yet, but I think two and a half is being middle ground. I think for me, I would go three because I did have fun with it. The action scenes did make me go, that this is a bit of fun.
Callum Jackson: there There is a slow middle bit when he becomes president-y, like with the beard.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. please.
Callum Jackson: But other than that, um like it for some reason, it's just slow for a bit. like You see the army getting fucked over. Oh my God. Sorry, let me explain.
Cameron Resner: okay so
Callum Jackson: Let me explain. Sorry, Ramblin' could like fucking Dominic Cooper. is like He basically uses vampire hunters to kill vampires because he can't attack vampires. like Vampires can't attack vampires.
Callum Jackson: That's the law of this film. You can't do it.
Cameron Resner: yeah okay
Callum Jackson: and they kill his wife in front of him and turn him into a vampire, so he wants to get revenge. That's his storyline. um
Cameron Resner: and
Callum Jackson: But he's like, no, you can't have like a love interest to Abraham Lincoln and all that, and you can't have friends or family. So he tries to get away from it, but then he goes, fuck it, I'm getting into politics. um And then it goes into like the serious message of like slavery and shit.
Callum Jackson: like it's It still keeps the Abraham Lincoln...
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: bit but why he kills vampires that's why i was like what the fuck's going on um and then so when he like becomes president and it's like the north versus south you know the confederates versus the US it was like the the confederates were all vampires
Cameron Resner: The backstory, yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: and And they were like, we're losing this war. So then Abraham Lincoln like drops like a fucking fork on the table saying and he's like, we need more of this. And they're like, forks? And he's like, no, silver. and And they get all the silver they can find, make it into weapons, and then just fucking wipe out the vampires.
Cameron Resner: Delicious.
Callum Jackson: But there's a whole train. I'm not going to go through all the sequences. But like that area of the film just felt really slow. ah don't know why. And then it ends with Abraham Lincoln going to the opera or whatever, the show.
Cameron Resner: To end with him, like... Yeah,
Callum Jackson: can but You don't see it, but you're like, fucking out why are you ending it on this note?
Cameron Resner: he made it all through that also bit of vampire killing and then gets shot in the head.
Callum Jackson: He was like, yeah.
Cameron Resner: you think it was a vampire that shot him?
Callum Jackson: ah Definitely. 100%.
Cameron Resner: you think he was actually bitten?
Callum Jackson: There was one vampire was pissed off of him.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah. Hmm.
Callum Jackson: I definitely... Because there is a um I don't know anything about it, but it was originally a book and there is a sequel to that book.
Cameron Resner: yeah
Cameron Resner: but no sequel movie.
Callum Jackson: No. Probably because it fucking bombed. Anyway, like I said, entertaining.
Cameron Resner: Just one interesting interesting side fact.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, go on. Sorry. Yeah.
Cameron Resner: There was a third Abraham Lincoln film in 2012 called Abraham Lincoln versus Zombies.
Callum Jackson: No, there wasn't.
Callum Jackson: um
Cameron Resner: but It's like a like a B-movie horror film. but So there's three Abraham Lincoln films in 2012. It's the year of Lincoln.
Callum Jackson: Shit, we needed someone else to watch that one.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, so apparently you like when the world's ending, everyone's thinking of Abraham Lincoln.
Callum Jackson: and hopefully he will come and save us. I think that's what it is.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, that was what we were hoping.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: It does seem like someone that could do that.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, definitely. Well, I saw what he could do with that axe. Fuck shit up.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, i just got to see what he could do with his words in the times that he wasn't vampire slaying.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, so how was that film? Because I haven't seen that one.
Cameron Resner: Hmm. Yes, no, I, yeah, yeah i was interested in it because Daniel Day-Lewis obviously be going through some of his films. And this is a still ah Spielberg film, which I didn't actually realize before.
Cameron Resner: And going into it.
Callum Jackson: I didn't know that either.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Got a few Oscars, I think. So quite different.
Callum Jackson: Dude, isn't this the film that he won the Oscar for?
Cameron Resner: Yes, yeah.
Callum Jackson: Or one of? Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, got one of his Oscars for, and think the film itself got a few Oscars as well. So very different to the vampire slayer. Do you think people actually got confused and went to the wrong one?
Cameron Resner: That would be quite funny.
Callum Jackson: they were probably oh yeah look they probably read the first bit
Cameron Resner: Someone taking their dad to someone to be like, let's go watch Abraham, that Lincoln movie. He's like, cool, yeah, looks great. And then he's just like, what the fuck?
Callum Jackson: because it's quite normal at the start as well so it's not like and then you'll be like wait is that a vampire which is
Cameron Resner: That
Cameron Resner: um but no yeah but this film was also another film that where people just like it's just got everyone in it i was like jesus like people just showing up left right and center tom tom lee jones yeah uh yeah gareth harris uh
Callum Jackson: Joseph Gordon-Levitt.
Callum Jackson: Is he in it? Okay, good. God.
Cameron Resner: The big mind guy from Hulk.
Callum Jackson: Was it the leader?
Cameron Resner: Mega mind. Yeah, the leader. um Just a ton of really good actors and just really... And it was surprisingly it a surprisingly quite witty and funny film.
Cameron Resner: Like Abraham Lincoln's quite... Or portrayed as being quite an interesting character in that obviously he's going through this really serious time, but he's like... He's not afraid to kind of...
Cameron Resner: get through difficult situations by making people laugh and kind of having having a bit of a joke at times where people kind of need it, which is kind of interesting.
Callum Jackson: yeah
Cameron Resner: So I'm quite interested to know whether that was, that's actually kind of based on, i assume it is if it's Spielberg and he's done his research and i assume that's probably what he was like, which is quite interesting for the time given how much serious shit was going down.
Callum Jackson: yeah
Cameron Resner: But no, it's it's a like beyond that, just learning about the period learning about the time i love a good historical drama and i think it was it was like really well the visuals were great costumes were great acting obviously c great um and the pace is really good as well it's quite long it's like two hours and 40 minutes but it didn't really feel like that
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: which is quite a feat, I think, for a film that basically has no action in or anything.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: It's just people talking in different rooms and kind of seeing different aspects of life, which I found, yeah, all really interesting.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I mean, i I actually, my dad bought that when it came out, so I can actually get it if it's not available to stream anywhere. So do you recommend watching it?
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I would definitely watch it, especially if you can get it.
Callum Jackson: I mean, I don't know why I wouldn't.
Cameron Resner: I mean, I just rented it on Prime, i think. But it's, a yeah, it's definitely worth a watch on like ah yeah, if you've got an afternoon spare.
Cameron Resner: was trying to think. The that they... the way that they portray both sides and how kind of it's kind of, i mean, cause obviously the subject matter is about racism and about segregation and all that kind of stuff is quite, it is quite powerful just to see kind of that at that moment in time, there was no right or wrong in people's heads.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: It was just kind of like, uh,
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: there were two very different sides fighting for what they they felt was correct. And it's yeah it's quite interesting just to get a view to kind of a time like that.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: And it's just so far disconnected from kind of our experiences today. Yeah, it's very, very powerful in that regard.
Cameron Resner: So we definitely recommend watching.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, I think it's like it quite good to like show that because you know what we get today, like you can you can check news from anywhere, but obviously that's them dealing with their issues, isn't it?
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: like And it is word of mouth on what you think or who who you live with that will influence you on that. So it's quite interesting to see, like I think, those days of what it was like.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: And they don't shy away from speaking how they would speak and that kind of thing.
Callum Jackson: Huh, okay.
Cameron Resner: So it's like similar to, don't know, like something like 12 Years a Slave or something where it's just like, it It just such a visceral recreation of what people would actually say in that time and just things that you would kind of never say.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: ah
Callum Jackson: Yeah, definitely.
Cameron Resner: It's, yeah, it's cool. It's interesting in that regard. So would definitely recommend.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. ah you can You can say history is cool, Cameron. That's okay.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: It is cool.
Cameron Resner: but No, no, it's cool.
Callum Jackson: We're not...
Cameron Resner: Yeah. I just didn't want to mean like what happened was cool.
Callum Jackson: We're not like, oh yeah, the slave trade was cool.
Cameron Resner: Yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: No, not that.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: but um yeah and no no Yeah, I agree.
Cameron Resner: um
Callum Jackson: it's it's is it's It's quite cool to look... look at history Especially when someone like a filmmaker can show it in a way that entertains us in a way, you know, instead of, you know, documentaries, obviously there and history books, but, you know, we like movies. So I think like when, when a film is made like that, it's quite ah interesting for us to see it that sort of way, you know?
Callum Jackson: So, yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, and Spielberg, I mean, he's played the master of that kind of kind of thing, taking...
Callum Jackson: fucking amazing. He's so good. I like his other um historical accurate movie of Jurassic Park.
Callum Jackson: That's a good one.
Cameron Resner: was looking through his movies, i was like, what you going to say?
Callum Jackson: Well, I could have
Cameron Resner: um I think, does he... he Yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: it does Jurassic Park.
Cameron Resner: if you can. I've read it on for saving part of mine.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. um Jaws, Indiana Jones, ah e t E.T. More recently, Ready Player One I even really enjoyed.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: I don't think he's lost it at all. i He's grey. ah think I mean, i did he even do um Minority Report as well?
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: think he did.
Cameron Resner: I think you did, yeah. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: yeah, like, I just, ah yeah, I think, I haven't seen all his films, but the ones I have seen, I've loved, I, I think he's great, and I think he's, like, my dad's favourite director as well, so, yeah, he, he's, yeah, everything think he's done that I've seen, yeah, I love, I think it's great, so, yeah, Indiana Jones, oh, oh, oh, my fate, god, oh, that's so good, that's cool,
Cameron Resner: Yeah, someone.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, someone I'd like to dive into a bit more. Schindler's list. Yeah,
Cameron Resner: yeah that is cool. That
Callum Jackson: But yeah, no he hit yeah he he's great. and when he appears in Goldmember is also good.
Cameron Resner: Oh, yes, he does.
Callum Jackson: You're not even listening.
Cameron Resner: When you said gold member, read that in my mind as Goldfinger, and I was like, what?
Callum Jackson: Tom Cruise.
Callum Jackson: No way!
Cameron Resner: He's like there as a 20-year-old dude.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, no, no, great director. I mean, yeah, I mean, maybe at some point we should yeah go into some movies of directors and we can talk about directors. That's quite interesting.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, I mean, I love Stephen Spielberg. I wouldn't even need to watch his films again. I would happily watch it. But like, if there's anything you need to talk about that you're going to dive into, ah yeah, I'll happily watch again and we can talk about it.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, sounds good.
Callum Jackson: But, I mean, I recommend, i do recommend Vampire Hunter, just for the record.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: yeah
Callum Jackson: Not amazing. not Not terrible. it you You just want to watch something of slow motion, axe-wielding, gory kills. Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Pretty good.
Cameron Resner: I mean, I will add it to the list and maybe we can reconvene on this topic when you've watched the ah fake story of Lincoln and I've watched in his real life.
Callum Jackson: Yes.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, because I saw the true story.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: Your one only mentioned the vampires, you see. My one showed it, what he went through, the hardship that he fought. Imagine fighting for your nation and vampires at the same time.
Cameron Resner: And then just being shot in the head. That's
Callum Jackson: Yeah. What the fuck's that about?
Cameron Resner: Yeah, why was he even at the theatre? He's too hard for that. was he doing?
Callum Jackson: He should have been hunting more vampires. Maybe he fought, he killed all the vampires and that's what he done. Do you know what? I want to watch that show. It's called Manhunt, I think. Have you seen that?
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I've heard of it. I haven't seen
Callum Jackson: Yes, and that's about the guy that did shoot Lincoln and is on the run.
Cameron Resner: Okay. ah
Callum Jackson: So we should we should carry on our Lincoln.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, Lincoln.
Callum Jackson: The Lincoln cast.
Cameron Resner: Abraham Lincoln zombie hunter.
Callum Jackson: Yeah, we got that.
Cameron Resner: Manhunt.
Callum Jackson: What was it? Pride, Predigist and Zombies.
Cameron Resner: Yes, Pride, Prejudice, Zombies.
Callum Jackson: We can do that as well.
Callum Jackson: But yeah.
Cameron Resner: Films with Abraham Lincoln in.
Callum Jackson: I do want to watch that Manhunt one, though. I think that came out last year. I think I was watching Masters of the Air, and then the same actor from like the main guy in Masters of the Air is in it.
Cameron Resner: ah yeah. Okay,
Cameron Resner: interesting. Interesting.
Callum Jackson: um and i was like oh cool and then that i was coming out but i haven't got to it but i will i won't even look at reviews i'm just gonna go in and have look myself but yeah but at the moment i think my next uh thing i want to tackle i've seen them all already i just like doing it and it's the last one i want to re-watch stranger things i don't know if you've even watched it right
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I think that's why. it Just dive in.
Cameron Resner: I've watched the first season.
Callum Jackson: Okay, yeah. So I want to re-watch all of them.
Cameron Resner: Yes.
Callum Jackson: And with how often I watch TV, i I kind of need to start now. Because it's coming out late November or something.
Cameron Resner: There's some chunky episodes in there.
Callum Jackson: Yeah. and thought Oh, God, the last season turns into three-hour movies almost. And you're like...
Cameron Resner: That's insane. Yeah, isn't it? Was that the last season? It's like the first half of... Aren't they releasing... Is it the second half of the season that's coming out?
Callum Jackson: No, no, it's a complete new season.
Cameron Resner: Right.
Callum Jackson: It was season four.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: No, this is season five. But um yeah, I mean, I will get up what the last episode was real quick and tell you how long it is. So, strange things. Okay, so like, yeah, it's like hour and 18, hour and 18, hour and five, hour 19, hour and 17, hour and 15, hour and 41, one hour and 27, and then last episode is hours and 22 minutes.
Callum Jackson: one hour of forty one one hour and twenty seven and then the last episode is two hours and twenty two minutes
Cameron Resner: mile
Callum Jackson: And that's in one season.
Cameron Resner: That's insane.
Callum Jackson: ah So, yeah, and I think like the new season might be, i think I heard it might be lesser. No, no, it's got to be more episodes, the same amount of episodes, but I think it's longer.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, I've i heard about the length being quite long.
Callum Jackson: I mean, I think it is, I think I can say that is my favourite show because I've re-watched the seasons every time the new ones come out.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm.
Callum Jackson: So I definite i recommend getting on it.
Cameron Resner: Mm-hmm. Yeah, maybe it'll be the next. We'll be finished with Orange is the New Black and Peacemaker.
Callum Jackson: Yes.
Cameron Resner: And what was the other thing?
Callum Jackson: Yes.
Cameron Resner: Can't remember.
Callum Jackson: I mean, I'm still on what we do in the shadow, so we'll see. But um I think I might take, I'm about to finish season three, so I might watch season one, Stranger Things, and then go back and, you know, mix and match.
Callum Jackson: But yeah, just enough time.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, maybe we'll chat about some of that next week.
Callum Jackson: Yes.
Cameron Resner: Your What We Do in the Shadows update.
Callum Jackson: Yes. Okay.
Cameron Resner: Very good.
Callum Jackson: Yeah.
Cameron Resner: um Yeah, thank you for listening.
Callum Jackson: Yes.
Cameron Resner: um We're on YouTube now.
Callum Jackson: We are.
Cameron Resner: We had 10 views, apparently, the past week.
Callum Jackson: Whoa.
Callum Jackson: Damn.
Cameron Resner: Yeah, which is interesting.
Callum Jackson: More than our other account.
Cameron Resner: Yes, exactly. Obviously on Instagram, letterboxed, all those things.
Callum Jackson: Yep.
Callum Jackson: um On Instagram, you can get the link to everything. So, yeah.
Cameron Resner: Yeah.
Callum Jackson: Probably head there first.
Cameron Resner: what's that For a unique post every week.
Callum Jackson: Mm-hmm.
Cameron Resner: Which Lincoln head are you going to have on?
Callum Jackson: have to decide. I need to find a photo first.
Cameron Resner: Okay. wonder if they look that different.
Callum Jackson: That's what I was wondering.
Cameron Resner: be interesting.
Callum Jackson: I was like, I'm going to do two Lincoln heads and it's just...
Cameron Resner: Same here.
Callum Jackson: It's just the same dude. We won't even know.
Cameron Resner: I look forward to seeing that.
Callum Jackson: okay.
Cameron Resner: Very well.
Callum Jackson: See you later.
Cameron Resner: Goodbye.
