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We’re Back: One Postpartum, One Pregnant 💗
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We’re back after 7 weeks! 🤍
So much has changed. Hailey is officially 5 weeks postpartum and sharing the real-life update on recovery and newborn life, while Bekah is in her second trimester with all the pregnancy feels.
We’re catching up on motherhood, the mental and physical shifts, what this season looks like for both of us, and even how we’ve been using AI lately.
It’s honest, a little chaotic, and feels just like a long overdue girl chat. We’re so glad to be back. 💛
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Introduction to Park Moms Podcast
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the Park Moms podcast for your host Haley and Becca. This is a place where we laugh and chat about the chaotic list of raising young kids. Whether you're about to take a hot mom walk or start a lot of laundry, let's get to yapping. Let's get yapping.
Life Changes and Motherhood Reflections
00:00:13
Speaker
I guess it really has been a minute. Oh my gosh, the lives that we have lived since we've recorded. The last time we recorded feels like a lifetime ago. I did the math though, it's really not that long ago.
00:00:24
Speaker
Was that before Christmas or after? After Christmas, I think. I think about seven weeks ago. So... Okay, so do you know what? I guess... I guess postpartum, because we kind of took a break, because i was but we stopped even earlier before I was postpartum, because I'm five weeks right now.
00:00:40
Speaker
So lots of changes. You're now brunette. I'm more blonde. I'm not pregnant. I'm pregnant. I remember I was seven weeks pregnant when we recorded last, and I'm almost 15 weeks pregnant. Oh my gosh. So I knew. So it's only been seven weeks, but the things that have changed, the lives we have lived, the things we have to share. The longest
Balancing Children and Postpartum Recovery
00:01:01
Speaker
time of like, you're in the newborn thickness, I'm in like a first trimester of thickness. Like it is the longest days of your life. We are officially out of the first trimester now.
00:01:10
Speaker
Yeah, but I don't have to stuff all the symptoms. So i'm like, don't feel like it. Yeah, just call it the first trimester. Honestly, just like. When is the second trimester end? I think it goes 12, 1 to 12, 13 to something. 26 or 27 maybe? Yeah, I think so. Okay.
00:01:27
Speaker
I'm way too sleep deprived. so I'm way too, I'm pretty far from the third trimester, so I'm good to say first trimester for now. you can, especially if you have the symptoms. But it's so exciting. How are you feeling? Oh man, I was going to get into it. i will. Should we just get into it? Let's get into it. I feel like we should start with your life first. I will say though,
00:01:45
Speaker
Just a crazy thought out there. We're going to have eight kids between the two of us. No, we're going That is a whole damn preschool. I will say, when I knew people had four kids, I was like, are you serious? You are so old. Like, you're literally old. And I don't want be times to be friends with you because you're old.
00:02:00
Speaker
And we're going to have four kids. To be fair, we banged them out. We did it young. We did it young. Did you have people ask you, is this your first? Yeah, I love, oh, let me just tell you, when I, when I am out in public with just my newborn, which like isn't very often, someone's like, oh, like how old? And I'm like two weeks and they're like, whoa. And then they're like, is this your first? And I'm like my fourth and they're like, whoa, yeah just the confidence build, like it kind of reinstates like, no, what I'm doing is crazy. Yeah. And then also you look so young.
00:02:31
Speaker
I don't know about that. I think that's basically what the compliment is saying. is Is this your first? It's like, oh, you look young enough for this to be your first. That's how I take it. I'm like, thank you. I'm like, I either look young or I look like I have no idea what I'm doing. when when I say four, though, they're like, but no. How do you have four kids? like Four is crazy. i just want to say, I just want to say for everyone out there who told me that from three to four wasn't a big difference, you lied.
00:02:58
Speaker
Yeah, tell me everything. like Should we go into...
Birth Experiences and Emotional Challenges
00:03:01
Speaker
I don't even know where to start. I'm telling you, the lives I've lived. Yeah. Okay, I guess let's just get into it. I am five weeks postpartum.
00:03:09
Speaker
I am weeks. That seems like so short but so long. It feels like an eternity but also feels like I had her yesterday. yeah But we don't need to go into like my whole birth story. Everything was great. She was great. It was like, I feel like the one thing is I totally manifested that I was going to go into labor that day because I'm still what, like two weeks early?
00:03:28
Speaker
But the problem was my parents were leaving out of town the next day and they were supposed to watch my other kids. Oh my gosh. So it was either, and they were going to gone for a week. So it was either that I had her that day yeah and they stayed home from their trip and then like left on their trip later, or I had to wait a whole other week.
00:03:43
Speaker
So I woke up, I did all the things. We were going podcast that night, if you remember. We were going to podcast that night, yes. And I was like, sorry, I don't think we're going podcast tonight. I was doing the, like, workouts. I was doing the curb walking. I was doing the tea. I was doing all the other things that I can't probably say on the internet. Did you get it stripped? And then I got my membrane stripped. Okay.
00:04:01
Speaker
And it put me into labor. Thank goodness. Everything was great. It is just crazy what we go through when we give birth. Like, it is actually crazy. How is your birth compared to your other births?
00:04:14
Speaker
Um, I want to say that my third was a little bit easier. This one was hard because she was, like, kind of stuck in the birth canal, so I didn't progress for a long time. So they had me doing some, like, crazy things, but honestly, everything was great. Like, I couldn't have asked for a smoother delivery. How long was, like, your labor? My gosh, I don't even know. Like, when to the hospital? i When was she born? I got there at 10 p.m., but I was only dialed to a 4, and they were going to send me home.
00:04:41
Speaker
But one nurse was like, she's a 5, and the other one's like, she's a 4. They were going to send home and Camden, my husband, was like, do not send us home. Don't send us home. She progresses really quickly. Like, he selling. Because we wanted to have her. Advocate. Yeah, we wanted to have her that night. And so we just, they were like, okay, we're going admit you.
00:05:00
Speaker
And like Cameron was just, he was like talking to all the nurses, like having a good time. And I think they were like, oh, this couple's fun. Like, let's keep them. Yeah. They look like we should keep them. No, so they kept us. You do not have to advocate for yourself in that situation don't you think? Especially because we live like 40 minutes, 35 to 40 minutes away from the hospital I delivered at. Oh yeah. It's far now.
00:05:20
Speaker
And it was snowing that night. It was a snowstorm. So we were like, please don't send us home. please Yeah. So anyways, they kept us, but they didn't do anything to progress my labor that whole night. Oh, They didn't do Pitocin or anything? Nothing until the next morning at 5am. So I feel like that's when my labor actually started. Yeah. It's because they did Pitocin, broke my water.
00:05:38
Speaker
had the epidural. I love the epidural. Yeah. Are you going to go natural this time? I don't think so because... I am the type of person that would like to try it. I know, because you've kind of, like, flirted with the idea. I have flirted with idea But I've realized with the labors that I have, one, I always get induced. I never go into labor on my own. Yeah.
00:05:58
Speaker
Two, they have to break my water in order for me to, like, actually tear grass. Me too. And so with those two things, I've heard Pitocin makes your labor very, very intense. Yes. And, like, just the some contractions I've had before getting epidural. Like, I remember both times getting epidural.
00:06:14
Speaker
I probably was only like a four and I was falling my eyes out, shaking and screaming. But I couldn't like move because they're putting it in, you know? Yeah. And so I don't know. I just feel like because I'm using like if I was going all natural, I think I'd want to do labor naturally. If you weren't using any intervention, then you would might.
00:06:32
Speaker
Yes. But I don't want to like do it like on the whim. Like I would have to mentally prepare. Yeah, you definitely need to prepare. I mean, it now that would be the time because it's probably going to be my easiest labor.
00:06:42
Speaker
But I'm also like, why not just do an epidural? Yeah, no, I love the epidural. But everything, honestly, went really well, I will say. don't want to scare you. Oh, no. The after pains this time. no my gosh.
00:06:56
Speaker
My uterus hurts just thinking about it. It was more painful than all of my labors combined. And my first two were pretty painful. It was literally to the point where, like, and she because you know how when they latch you feel it like contracting i would literally had to like cro like crying in the bed it was so painful i was like writhing writhing is that the word writhing in pain that was terrible so remind me when you give birth they gave me something that's new that they can give you like a new medication and it helped a ton and if i remember at least with my third they were more in intense
Breastfeeding Decisions and Societal Pressures
00:07:31
Speaker
but they were shorter. Like, I feel like I didn't have them for like weeks and weeks and weeks. No, I had it for like three days and it was gone, but it was so intense. Like to the point where like I was seeing stars.
00:07:40
Speaker
It is interesting with every pregnancy, how things change significantly. It's crazy how much we forget. Like, yeah, we're podcasting five weeks out and you're like, tell me about your birth. I'm like, I don't even remember. Cause so much has happened since then.
00:07:54
Speaker
What are those like three things? Okay. I'm going to three things that are like positive that you forgot. And three things that you're oh my gosh, I forgot it from a negative perspective. I know one negative because you told me Yeah, tell me. So maybe we start with the negatives. You're like, I forgot about the sleep anxiety at night.
00:08:09
Speaker
Oh, okay. So not just birth, but like postpartum. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I'll say, yeah, the sleep anxiety, like feeling like, oh my gosh, it's nighttime and I have no idea what tonight's going to look like or if I'm going to get any sleep.
00:08:21
Speaker
Added with you know that your kids are going wake up at 6.30 a.m. m the next day. yeah Like you can't fall asleep. So that's been really hard. Another, we'll just go with the negative source. Yeah. Another negative thing is I forgot how hard it is not to keep score with your spouse. Yeah. It's so hard when you feel like you're not sleeping or like you are changing on the diapers or you're doing all, i don't know, whatever it is not to look at them. And you're both doing like a hundred percent. That's the thing. It's so crazy. You're both giving it everything, but so hard not to be like, well, you got a half hour more sleep than I did. Like, yeah, that is hard. And that is something that I'm working on. Sorry, Camden.
00:08:58
Speaker
Um, another thing. I feel like on that one too, it's almost like it's never enough from either of you. Like your bulk of 100%, it's still never going to be enough. We are literally, quite literally hanging on by a thread right now. Straight through my soul. I feel better today, and I'll get into it, but like today, i feel like we kind of turned a corner.
00:09:17
Speaker
good. So, perfect night to record. Perfect night. Yeah, I'm like, oh, everything's great. Whereas last night, I was on the ground of my bathroom floor crying. my gosh. Because was just like covered in spit up It was a whole thing. We'll get into it. But another negative thing is I forgot.
00:09:35
Speaker
Well, the cramps. That's a good one. The cramps. i got cramps now Okay. Is there some positive things? were Positive. hey I kind of forgot that. That's i got cute. First real shower when you... oh This isn't cute. The first real shower when you come home, not the hospital shower, the first shower in your shower. Oh, that healed me. I don't know what it was, but I just was like...
00:09:53
Speaker
in the shower smiling because I was like so happy to be taking a shower. Another positive thing is if you can, if you've had multiple pregnancy or if not multiple, right yes, multiple kids, if you can have someone take your kids for the day that you get home and have one day by yourself, yeah that day was so special. Like literally so, so special where we didn't have the other three kids. It was just us and her. And we' we're able to just like, I wish I didn't even talk about the fact that I found out she was a girl.
00:10:23
Speaker
I know. was going to ask you. I don't know what was having. I can go into that. But that day is so special and I forgot like how special the first day home from the hospital is. Another thing is how instantly you just like or love them. Yeah. Like you're just it's so funny how you don't know them. Yeah. You do know them and then they come out and you're like I'm obsessed with you. Yeah.
00:10:43
Speaker
That like you can't even like change it. I think of course you feel that through your pregnancy but I feel like it's even more yeah intense. What about like okay did this happen for you? I feel like maybe this is a unique experience to me but i'd like i like have to learn people and i go yeah you feel like kind of hot after half giving birth like no it's so funny because the first like three days i was like damn i look good yeah i feel good like it's because you just rapidly lose the weight now i'm five weeks postpartum and i saw myself in the mirror at walmart yesterday and i was like but
00:11:15
Speaker
Yeah. Who is that? Who is that chubby mom? Those thoughts are great temporary, but there's no other time in your life when you do live lose like 20 pounds overnight and you just feel so much lighter and you want to feel kind of sexy. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and now I'm like, wait, why was I more, why was I more confident two days postpartum than I am five weeks postpartum. 100%. It makes no sense. It is such a unique experience, but it is true. Like, you just, I think it's just the rapidness. Is it because it's our hormones? Like, we're on a high, and then we just, like, kind of dip? Well, I think you just, then you start really thinking, like, at first you look, oh, I look great, even though I don't, like, don't look like I used to. Then you start thinking, eat well, i gotta look like I used to. So you start putting your pressure the pressure on yourself to look like i know pre-baby. Because, like, the first two days, you're like, wow, if this is the if this is the rate, yeah I'm going to blow away by the time Like, six weeks comes around. You feel, like, really good, though. oh thank you. I'm feeling better.
00:12:06
Speaker
But, yeah, it was honestly a really good experience. And then afterwards, I got postpartum preeclampsia, which I did not know was a thing. I don't even know what that Okay, preeclampsia is high blood pressure. yeah. So, you know, towards the end of your break, you take your Oh, yeah. me about this, actually. So, I got high blood pressure, which can be really scary.
00:12:23
Speaker
But it was totally fine. It was mostly more annoying because I had, like, the most intense migraines of my entire life. And I had to kept checking my blood pressure, but I didn't have a cuff, so I would drive to Walmart down the street, and I would like sit there. oh my gosh. With the blood pressure Did you buy one?
00:12:37
Speaker
And then I eventually, my mom bought one. I'm like, how much are they? Um, I want to say they're like $75. Okay. Like, not too bad. Worth a drive to Walmart a few days. Yeah. So, anyways, that, once that got resolved, everything was fine, but kind of just, like, was stressful because... You're already going through so much, and then it's, like, another thing to deal with. My milk was coming in. I had that. I had migraines to the point where, like, I couldn't even open my eyes. They were so painful. Mm-hmm. And you can, it can result in strokes. So, I was just, like, so nervous. My postpartum anxiety, I was like, going to have a stroke. Yeah. It's Camden with four kids. Yeah.
00:13:11
Speaker
This is gonna be so sad I spent the past seven years pregnant or breastfeeding and now I don't even get to enjoy the kids I'm eating. Yeah. You know, it's like starting spiraling. Yeah, your your thoughts go to the worst possible scenario. Yes.
00:13:23
Speaker
So anyways, since then, you know, we've just been yeah not sleeping. Yeah, tell me about that. I feel like there's a few other things you have. Oh, okay. I will say, um i think I talked a lot on the podcast about how pregnancy was really hard for me, like mentally. Yeah. Just because i was so sick. And now I know the difference because at first I was like, this is so much easier. Like postpartum is so much easier than pregnancy when you have a tough pregnancy. Yeah.
00:13:46
Speaker
But the difference is when you're pregnant or at least me, I felt like I was at a constant low, like just kind of like this all the time. Whereas postpartum is like really high, really low, really high, really low, which is like such a range of emotions. And I feel like that's the biggest difference yeah that I've noticed.
00:14:02
Speaker
Well, when you're pregnant, you almost just can't feel anything because you're just like numb to it. Yeah. You kind of just get used to feeling like crap. And it's probably like sometimes you feel like you're on top of the world and then Sometimes you feel like you're literally the lowest of lows. Like today I felt like I could manage it. I was like, I'm killing it with four kids. Like I got this, I got work done, my house was clean. was gonna say like kudos to you because I came into your house. Showering.
00:14:24
Speaker
It was, showering's huge. It was spotless. It's just this main level. I know this because I pick up your daughter from school. You have a birthday party planned for her on Monday and I know all the details as well.
00:14:35
Speaker
And I saw that you already did a homemade Valentine's box. They didn't even require that. They said it was optional. Okay, but you it is not optional if Elsie is your daughter. I mean, we had to do it. But, like, you're just doing such a better job than you do. It's hard not to be hard on yourself.
00:14:49
Speaker
I will say, this is another thought I had, is the newborn bubble looks so different. when you have other kids. Yeah, absolutely. Like, so different. And I think, like, at first I was a little bit sad that, like, I don't get that time to just, like, sleep when the baby sleeps. nothing. And do nothing. And just, there's been a few times where my parents have taken the kids overnight, the other kids, and it's been so nice because Camden and I can just focus on her. And, like, that's been so magical. But also, I'm trying to like, shift the narrative of, like, no, it's so magical that I could be postpartum with three other kids, even though it's absolute madness. Yeah. I haven't left the house with... No, I did leave the house with all four of them when I met you at the park. Oh, yeah. But I haven't, like, gone to... did a good job....into public.
00:15:31
Speaker
Gone into public. Anyway, so it's been pretty good. But the whole feeding thing... Yeah....is a journey. Has been a journey of... her yeah and don't you feel like the feeding ties into her not sleeping as well yeah so everything's been good except for she does not sleep she was sleeping like 20 minutes at a time like maybe an hour and it was really getting to me we thought that maybe she just had really bad gas and so we like we're trying things with that yeah um I'm combo feeding right now or I've been combo feeding up to when like since we've gotten home from the hospital and which has been great yeah
00:16:09
Speaker
and like it was working really well, but obviously she's so fussy, and she hasn't been like, go, I can hear her crying downstairs right now with my husband, but she has, anyways, I could probably talk about a whole episode about this, about just like her feeding, but she, we realized that something was actually wrong, it wasn't just like a phase, and so we were trying different things, and I didn't know if it was the kind of formula, I didn't know if it was the way we were mixing the formula, I didn't know if it was something I was eating, so it was just like,
00:16:35
Speaker
back and forth for probably two and a half weeks of every single day telling Camden like, no, I'm done breastfeeding. No, I'm going to cut out dairy. No, I'm going to do this and this. now I'm going to do it like so many different options to the point where I was absolutely losing my mind, which resulted in me crying on the bathroom floor last night.
00:16:51
Speaker
But the, and I couldn't decide, I was like, okay, I don't want to be done breastfeeding, but also she's handling the formula really well. yeah She's doing a great job on the formula. Like she was still spitting up some on the formula,
00:17:03
Speaker
But when i breastfed her, it was like, just like projectile spinning up. Yeah. And i like cut out caffeine for a little bit and I could have cut out dairy, but it takes 10 to 14 days for it to get out of your system for it to even like show results. And so i was like, okay, I, I can't, to be honest, do this for 10 to 14 more days. Like I am so sleep deprived and she's in pain. Yeah. So last night I was just like, what do I do?
00:17:28
Speaker
going back and forth, like the Sudafed was in my Amazon cart ready to order. Cause that's how you dry out your milk. Yeah. And then I like fed her one last time and she just like started projectile, like vomiting and choking.
00:17:40
Speaker
I just had this realization. I was like, cause I think a part of me too was like, Oh, I want it for the antibodies. Like it's going to be better for her if I breastfeed. Yeah. And then watching her just like, I'm like trying to like help her not choke. I'm like, this isn't good for her. yeah that seems so painful in her little body.
00:17:56
Speaker
And I probably could have resolved it, but there's so many reasons, but i ultimately decided I'm done breastfeeding. Yeah. After five weeks, I gave it five weeks. I gave it my all. I tried everything.
00:18:06
Speaker
and it's hard because like, even though I know all these things logistically make sense. Yeah. And not only was she not doing well when I was breastfeeding, I also think I had the thing What is it called when you get really... Oh, yeah. I have that. Yes.
00:18:22
Speaker
yeah it's like It's not dementia, but... Demer. Demer, yeah. I think it is demer. Like, when you get, like, depressed thoughts when you breathe. Yeah, so every time my milk would let down, i would actually feel really anxious and nauseous. And, like, feel... sick And, like, kind of shaky and like, ragey a little bit. And i was like, that's also not fair to my other kids. Yeah. Because I would be, like, sitting here nursing her and that they would do something like...
00:18:43
Speaker
kids are doing and I would just like yell at them and I'm like okay this isn't good but I just had the realization last night and like I just need to like be okay with being dead yeah and at the of the day you don't have to justify it even if none of those reasons are part of it you don't have to justify it but I think as a mom you remember me talking about stopping breastfeeding with Jack and how guilty I felt about it and like as a mom like it's hard to not have that guilt do you know what's hard about stopping breastfeeding because if any of my friends came to me and they were like my baby's not doing well, like, I'm not, I would be, like, be done, and don't even think twice about it, like, forget about it, but I think it's hard, because it is a way that we, like, emotionally connect with our babies, and, like, it can be really sweet, and also, when your breast milk dries up, you can't go back. Yeah. i think that's been the scariest thing for me, is, like, today, I literally, my girls are screaming right now, because I'm in the process of, like,
00:19:34
Speaker
trying to... Oh, your girls. thought you might be like... You know, my kids are like, the girls are screaming. But, and I haven't done the cabbage leaves because I just, like, can't get myself to put cabbage in my bra. But I'm doing the Sudafed and, like, the peppermint tea and, like, I haven't fed her today since this morning, like, a teeny bit.
00:19:52
Speaker
And, yeah, so I am going to be doing breastfeeding. You know what? I think, like, you are making the right decision for you and you know that. And so you
Postpartum Life and Mental Health
00:20:01
Speaker
have... it But it is hard. And, like, the guilt is there. And I don't know the reason why, but I know how you feel. Yeah. But I think, like, in a couple weeks, you won't even feel that way. Totally. I think it's just, like, such hormonal time, too. And I think that's why I was scared to make the decision, because I'm, like, I'm sleep deprived. I'm hormonal. Yeah. I shouldn't make the decision to stop right now, because what if I regret it? What if I regret it? And so I would, like, literally just, like, stay up at night.
00:20:23
Speaker
stressing about it yeah and i was like this is not fair to like anyone like it's not yeah camden like because i was just such an anxious mess and today like i already feel a weight off my shoulders yes so that's honestly been the hardest part about this postpartum is the not sleeping and now they're just like trying to figure out what's best for everyone like big decision like a lot played into it and like of course you're gonna have guilt around it and like making that decision yeah you definitely know what's best you're doing like you said if it was a friend and you would like give them absolutely no judgment but we're just so hard on ourselves on ourselves yeah it's so weird and my mom made a really good point she's like i think our culture just like puts so much emphasis on it like fed or fed is best or yeah rest is best or like all this it's like just
00:21:08
Speaker
Do what you need to do. Yeah. Like, to be okay. Yeah. And that was ultimately what I needed to do. Yeah. I'm, like, really interested to see, like, how hopefully this helps, like, with the sleeping, too. Because I feel like it's so intertwined. We also got her on some reflex medication literally last night.
00:21:23
Speaker
and today, i feel like that's why we turned a corner today, is like, today she actually took, like, hour and a half naps. Like, she took two. took one hour nap and one hour and a half nap. And I feel like a new woman.
00:21:35
Speaker
like just to have that time yes and like there is nothing like when they start doing a long stretch and like okay the first night where you get a full four hour stretch it's like the next day we go I'm like bouncing on the clouds it's like you're a Disney princess you are the first day or the first night that your newborn sleeps more than three hours you wake up feeling like a Disney princess you do 100% okay my last probably my last newborn thought right now is yeah I can't decide if chat is friend or foe in the newborn phase.
00:22:08
Speaker
I feel like in general, because it's like, does it doesn't just cause you more anxiety? Is that what you're thinking? A little bit. Like, yeah, I can't text anyone back right now. Like, I am just like at capacity. I'm so sorry if I haven't texted you back.
00:22:19
Speaker
But the conversations I'm having with chat are lengthy because I've been trying to figure out this whole like breastfeeding thing. Like, how often does my, but like, I feel like chat's helping me. Yeah. But it's, a It's getting to point where little too personal. Like tonight, I was like, okay, like I'm stopping breastfeeding. Like what are my next steps? Like, this is kind of hard. And it was like, it was giving me good advice, but it was like, this is hard, Haley. And I was like, this is weird. This is a little weird, but also it said something that was really good. It said, you're not giving up.
00:22:49
Speaker
You're making an intentional decision. And then, honestly, it's cheesy, but like that feels like i keep it's helping me to say that. yeah like I'm just doing something with intention. I completely agree. It's funny because it's so relatable because actually want to make a reel about my chat history since being pregnant. Because it's like, this moment, why am I so gassy? Why do I look 20 weeks pregnant? I'm only three weeks pregnant. like i'll have to put them all together but like we are creating a relationship at this point and that's where i think it's getting a little weird it's like sometimes tend i feel like
AI in Personal Life and Ethical Concerns
00:23:21
Speaker
i go to chat versus talking to someone about it and i think maybe that's the problem it's like this isn't a problem i like i i would say yeah i mean it's not gonna judge you and it's gonna have your back hayley you got this no it's literally like hayley you got this as a mom of four you are managing so much i'm like god damn straight
00:23:40
Speaker
Like, thank you. Like, chat is my therapist right now. Yeah. Because I can't put it all on Camden because he would actually leave me. like, I think there's a time and a place for chat, but I do sometimes feel like with him or her don't know what it is yeah i my child right now is like an elder elderly woman yeah who is like also a doula so she like knows a lot babies you could like message chad like please play this persona wait you can don't know i'm sure that's just like in my mind what she is yeah but you could i i do think like sometimes when i'm like
00:24:15
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Okay, let's say I'm, like, in a fight with Sam or something, and I'm, like, using chat to, like, help me think through it. No, I've for sure done that. It's helpful. But it's also kind of, like, weird. Like, if you think about it, it is kind of weird. No, sometimes if Camden and i have gotten in a disagreement, and I feel like he can't understand where I'm coming from, yeah I will literally be like, chat, am I being crazy here? Like, am I the one who's being crazy? Like, please tell me why I'm being crazy. Or, like, if I'm right.
00:24:39
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yeah like usually it tells me i'm right and i think that's the problem yeah it it's actually sides with you yeah it's meant to fight like there's actually this whole controversy with ai and chat to bt right now because it's not it's so biased towards what you want to hear you probably know a lot about this oh my gosh yes i know too much about ai and like honestly it's and's stressful it is stressful if you really think about it and like sometimes i just have to disconnect from it because it's like wow this is so crazy that's the thing is like you know how postpartum women will like And we've had friends that do this. We'll, like, delete Instagram or TikTok because it's just, like, information overload. Maybe that's chatty now. kind of feel like that's chatty. Like, I feel like I need to just, like, get out and touch some grass. i Yeah, I agree. I think that there's something about, like, real human connection that will never be replaced. I think that's nice because, like, you're not having a therapist. You're not paying for a therapist, but you're basically getting a therapist. I'm paying $20 a month. Oh, you do. Nice. You don't take the free plan? No, because I use it for my meal plans. The savage, I use my work one because it's, like...
00:25:37
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Free, but like, think about how much work. Like, that's a savage. And like, this is also the creepy thing, think about how much chat knows about you. Like, it is kind of weird if you think about that Like, you've probably said more of your most inner thoughts to chat than you have to like anyone that you know. Yeah. And it's kind of strange. You know the realization I had the other day? Do you remember that Disney Channel movie?
00:25:56
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There was a house that was like a smart house. Oh, it wasn't a called smart house. Was it called smart house? I was like, whoa, that was chat. Like that's what's going to happen. Also those Disney channel original movies were the best. Bring back Disney channel original movies.
00:26:11
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Um, okay. Let me actually tell myself on AI and then I'll say about the Disney movie, but, um, Now we're creating these, this is what's the new phase of AI. is It's called AI agents.
00:26:21
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And basically what it is, is instead of just like being, you type to it, figures it out. It basically can just like watch you and see what you're doing. mean watch you? Like an example would be on your device. So like it can see all of your, like for my work, like Slack messages, emails,
00:26:34
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any product I'm using and like it takes all information starts like thinking for you and like you can assign it things to do. And like Sam's been, my husband's been super like into it and he's built so many of these agents and they can basically like, okay, here's an example, a simple example. we just legitimate assistant It's like its own mind. Like it's like its own boss almost like, okay, I'll give you an example of one that did something.
00:26:57
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So this guy wanted a reservation at a restaurant. He couldn't get in. So he asked his agent and just texted, texted it and said, Hey, can you get me this reservation? and you know tried to like go through yelp or whatever couldn't get it yeah so then it goes to like another part of the creates its own voice and now it's like calling the restaurant through this voice and it's actually ah an ai agent it's not like an actual person and then oh my gosh you get so out of breath when you're pregnant i'm like okay gotta breathe um anyway you don't even look pregnant it's so crazy no i have such a it's cute like yeah i'll get into it but um anyway so then
00:27:35
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the agent starts calling the restaurant and it's not getting what it wants and so then it starts to get smart enough to realize what the responses are saying and why it's not working and then like after 10 calls like basically gets the um get the reservation yeah but it's like calling and it's actually calling the restaurant because the restaurant's like information of what the restaurant's saying and like okay why is it like manipulating the situation yeah it's like those same people can like go after your grandma or those same ai agents or completely take over sales.
00:28:03
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Yeah, and then that's what Sam's building. He's building prospecting tools. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, but cool. It cool, but it's also like, we will know. We have to have, this is way far-fetched, but like eventually we'll have to be a society where like I don't think any of us will have jobs.
00:28:19
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Like, I really don't. Like, I think we'll just all
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00:28:21
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live off, like, commonwealth because everything will be outsourced. Okay. Wow, this is getting crazy. This is way too much for my postpartum brain right now. Don't even think about it, but it is, I will say, in the last two months, and it is so crazy, like, what has transpired between, like, what it could do.
00:28:39
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i think that, I think it was, like, almost 60%, like, increase of smartness, like, in the last, like, couple of weeks. And, like, it just keeps training itself and gets smarter and smarter. And going to take over the world.
00:28:50
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eventually yeah and i think like it's one of those things if you're not on it like and it's hard it's hard for me to say because i do work for like an ai company so yeah it is so relevant to what i'm doing um with that said though like if you aren't like getting on board it's like you're kind of dumb not to well it's the same way that social media was when we were growing up yeah like social media really didn't exist in the way it does now yeah it's completely changed the game yeah yeah and i think and i shouldn't say dumb not to that sounds rude it's more like If you don't start utilizing it in your businesses and, like, even, like, doing a podcast, we should figure out how we can use it. Yeah.
00:29:27
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Recover our voices and put, like, an episode out of April. Like, it really could. That's right. No, it could be us. It could never be us. But it couldn't be us. And that's saying why I think it is good to, like, have that real-life connection. and You'll never, like, replace that. Yeah. But it kind of is replacing it.
00:29:43
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So anyways. Anyways. Oh wait, back the Disney movie. Oh yeah. So let's go from um the world ending with AI to Disney. It's actually a creepy Disney movie and it's like stayed in my mind and I actually have no idea it's called but like I want see if you know what it I exactly what you're talking about right now. a girl who lived double lives and one life she made these choices and another life she made these other choices. Okay, no, this is not the It was like simple things like today I'm go drink orange juice, gonna drink milk.
00:30:07
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and like one life was like this totally terrible life and one like a good life it scared me so bad as a kid i thought you were going to talk about the one where there was the guy living under the bed what that was scary and i cannot believe that was on disney channel what's the show called we're gonna have to post these on our stories it was called like something under the bed something about being under the bed like i pulled up the picture and i like literally like got chills because i was like oh my gosh this actually was my childhood trauma was this disney channel movie movies that traumatized us honestly Okay, anyways, okay, I have two funny stories say the been that have happened this week that have just been comical and really explain my life.
00:30:45
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So yesterday I had to take three, the three older kids to get shots at the doctor, and I won't go into the whole, like, shots thing. I don't do all of them, I do some of them, but all three of them lined up where they had to get shots yesterday.
00:30:58
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So it is me solo. Oh, wow. At the doctors with all three. And so we like do the, it was a wellness check. So we like do all this stuff. We get to the end, like nurse comes in. She's like looking at me like, how are we going to do this? and I'm looking at her like, how are you going to do this? Like we're both kind of looking at each other. Like there's a moment where we lock eyes and it's just quiet where she's like about to, and I'm like, okay. We both take a deep breath. And then first I'm like Kate Elsie, think she's the oldest, my six-year-old on Monday. My six-year-old, I'm like, she's got to go first. She's the oldest.
00:31:30
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She was, she knew. She knew what was happening. So she was like, absolutely not. And I was okay, fine. We'll try Blair. She's four. was like, okay, Blair, like, it's your turn to go She's like, absolutely not. And so Graham. Oh, poor sweet two-year-old boy who just trusts me with everything. And I deceived him. I was like, here, go ahead, like, come sit on my lap. Oh, savage. So he sits on my lap.
00:31:54
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And I'm girls don't look. Girls don't look. Now you're scaring a woman. puts the, what? Because they were like this, like trying to look. And I was like, guys, they knew at this point they were getting shots. Yeah. The whole time they were asking, like, are we getting shots? Are we getting shots?
00:32:06
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Anyway, so he's on my lap. She puts the shots in his leg and he's doing like this silent cry. Both girls instantly start screaming. Elsie runs out of the door, starts booking it down the hallway. I'm holding Graham. Blair is behind I'm sitting on like a chair. Blair is behind me climbing on my shoulders and my head covering my eyes. trying my gosh. Trying to like climb on top of me so that she doesn't have to get shots. I'm trying to like hold Graham still and Elsie is just booking it down the hallway. my gosh. And I was literally like, I looked at the nurse and I was like, someone needs to be filming this. Like what is my life right now? Like what is this? Like to the point where I heard her open the door to like the other people working. and They were like, that was a doozy.
00:32:49
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Isn't she nice about it? She was so nice. she was so awesome. They like, they were great. But that was just a moment where i was like, oh my gosh, I have like a full, I have four kids and didn't even have one of them with me. Margo was here.
00:33:01
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anyways, and then after that, we went to the dollar store and Camden got vasectomy last week. Yeah. Was it last week? And so we were trying to explain to the kids, like, we're not having kids anymore. Like dad got his, we told him like dad got his sperm out. Yeah.
00:33:17
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which Elsie thinks that sperm comes from his heart for some reason. Well,
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00:33:21
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it kind of works. So we didn't like, we didn't correct her. We were just like, you know what? We'll, we'll fix this later. but we're at the dollar store. It is packed. There's just so many people in the dollar store, like lines down the aisles.
00:33:33
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dollar store here is actually pretty good though no it is but it was crazy so loudly in front of probably 30 people else he goes we should get this for dad because he got all of his sperm out oh literally everyone's head just turns to me i um i wish that i had margot with me because everyone would just like start laughing but those are just two moments this week that really humbled me as a mom that i needed to share in case you have similar moments that like Truly, it is not all blissful. No, but it's just like the humorous parts of it. Like, and I think you just kind of, you're actually really good about this. Just like laughing through the chaos and through pain and you're just like, okay, well, I also cry. Yeah. a lot
00:34:11
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um A funny thing that Colson actually said recently when we were driving, we were kind of saying like, yeah, mom's going to be quitting soon, blah, blah, blah. Cause my plan is after this baby to stop working. And um Colson's like, what are you serious? How will she have any money?
00:34:28
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Like, what is she going to do if she has no money? Jeez, me. oh What is she going do if she has no money? And I'm like, well, dad's gonna have money, honey. And then like, I'll just use dad's money. He's like, dad, are you serious? I would never do that. And he goes, dad, i am not doing what you and mom are doing. Like if I marry someone, she will work and she will make her own money.
00:34:47
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Did you say like, I'll work like in a different, like I'll be working, taking care of the house. Eventually I said that. He was kind going off on this rant first. Eventually I was like, it's a different kind of work. Like I won't be getting paid, but I'll be with you. And he's like, I even like that. He's like, that is you guys can do that i'm not doing that like my wife will not do that funny that he's like picturing that i will say he got into my car yesterday and he goes hayley it's really messy in here and
00:35:14
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i was like i know cole said i'm going through it okay i just had a baby and i was like he was like how do you let the kids get it he said why don't you stop the kids from making it messy and i was like bro i'm trying out here and i was like do you not ever make your car messy and he's like no we hate when it's messy oh whatever that is the most unsure thing he hates we call for it that is so funny because he was getting to his stack out and he was like don't worry hayley this is what he said this is what it wasn't random he goes he's pulling out a snack to eat it and he goes um don't worry hayley this won't be very messy but it's already pretty messy in here
00:35:50
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then he was like how did you let the kids get so messy and i was like you know what so confident like he's not afraid to say his mind but i'm like i guess i've taught him well to think like no it's good moms don't have to just be my wife will work he's such a very he's such a feminist another funny thing he said i've been writing down because i have to like share them on the podcast yeah they've been obsessed with mcdonald's and i told him i'm like okay we're not we've been sick a bunch first off so i'm like we're not going to mcdonald's not getting fast food and colson goes no mom actually they do it so slow now he's like it is not fast food it is so slow last time went they were slow and i'm like oh my gosh like yeah they say the funniest things there was one other thing oh this is actually walker was like asking what want to be when you grow up and then he said you want to be mom a dad and a grandpa and i was like oh at the same time yeah oh yeah that would be crazy so cute their personality it's so funny to see him come through okay but truly like how have you been Yeah, I was going say, pregnancy has made me, like, very MIA. feel like, first off, this pregnancy has been, like, so different.
00:36:53
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Every pregnancy has gotten harder and harder, and I feel like I've always had hard pregnancies. Yeah. But I think this one is just, like, and maybe you felt this with your fourth, did you feel like it was way harder? Mm-hmm. And, like, i threw up, I definitely threw up with my other pregnancies, but, like, not every single day. Yeah.
00:37:09
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I can't even get up out of bed without puking. I feel like people are being like, oh, it's harder because you have other kids. It's like, no, for some reason, like your body almost just like is over it quicker.
00:37:20
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Yes, it's more, the symptoms are more intense. and I know it's different because I don't, I never had to take Zilfram with any of my other pregnancies. I just did the Bon Jesta. Yeah. And I'm doing it both this time. And then that just has this other slew of side effects, like the cramping, the headaches, the constipation.
00:37:34
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the gassiness and like it's just everything keep the housing go and russian i know just like for you can think of it's just like so in intense and then another thing is my cravings are like really different and like usually my first trimester I'll kind of like lose weight because I'm so sick I'm not eating but whatever case this time I'm like hungrier like I have to always be eating crazy how you can be so hungry and yet and the thought of food like so disgust is so disgusting but you're starving Well, and I have to, if I don't actually physically eat, I'll literally puke more. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm trying to eat and stuff. And then the other thing that's been weird is I have like really sour cravings. Like I didn't really crave stuff with the other kids. And I feel like I love like tart, spicy, sour, like.
00:38:20
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Well, you don't know what you're having. Well, that's what I was going to say. Okay. We got to do a poll. Were you talking about it? Yeah. Okay. We got to do a poll on the podcast of like,
00:38:31
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I think people are going say I should find out the gender, but like how crazy like it would be for me to not find out the gender. Because this is your last. This is for sure my last. For context, I have three boys. Obviously, I would love a girl. andm like I know I have to be okay with having a boy, and I am okay with it. I think the sadness more comes from like I know I'll never have a girl knowing this is my last. So, i'm like of course, I like know there's a high possibility I'm having a girl. yeah i mean, I'm sorry, a boy. Yeah.
00:38:56
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But I'm like, I am like hopeful it's a girl. And like, of course, with every other pregnancy, I found out like literally at like 11, 13 weeks or 11, 12, 13 weeks, whatever the earliest is. And this pregnancy, like, I don't know what it is. Like one, my husband, I guess this is a part of it. Like really doesn't want to find out. Yeah.
00:39:12
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Like he's every time he said, can we not find out? Can not find out? And then like this time he's come on, this is our last. Like, let's not find out. Yeah. We know like we'll never get a chance to not do this. And at first I'm like, no, like we're for sure finding out.
00:39:23
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But then like, I don't know why lately I've like, I haven't been feeling the pressure if I know maybe it's like the small hope that it could be a girl and it's like kind of getting me through. Yeah. Well, remember my whole feeling was because I didn't find out. Yeah.
00:39:37
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Was I was like, okay, obviously i kind of at the very beginning when I found out I was pregnant, I wanted a boy. Yeah. But because it's two boys, two girls. Yeah. But then i was like, okay, so if I find out she's a girl in the moment, like I'll be, i won't be, i won't have gender disappointment because I'll just be so happy that she's here. yeah which I honestly knew it was a girl the entire time. So you could kind of think of it that way. It's like, you're even like picture yourself in the delivery room and then being like, it's a boy. Do you think in that moment you would have gender disappointment or do you think you'd just be so relieved and happy that like he's here and healthy?
00:40:14
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I think I'm going to have to mentally prepare for both outcomes. I do think I would be sad. Oh, for sure. Which is so, like, valid to have some gender disappointment. Yeah. Not because, like, I'd be sad as a boy. It's more truly the fact, like, I know my family will never have a girl in it, and like that does make me sad.
00:40:29
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Yeah. But I think I feel that now. Yeah. And I feel that then. But i I... I think if I'm gonna do it, I have to like literally prepare myself for about both outcomes. Like being super excited if it's a girl and then also like being super excited if it's a boy and like kind of processing what that could feel like. Yeah, you kind of have to let yourself like almost visualize both outcomes and like kind of live them yeah in your mind before you actually live them. Did you think it was worth it? Like, are you glad you didn't find out?
00:40:56
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I am, but it's so funny because I didn't find out. But the second I found I was pregnant, I said, she's a girl. And my husband was like, she's a girl. And so when they put her on my chest, I was like, Kim, did you see what she was?
00:41:09
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And he was like, no. and But like, before she even said the and then they were like, it's a girl. Before they even said it, I like knew she was a girl right away. Yeah. I wasn't surprised. Did you feel dead?
00:41:21
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Like it was a girl because you knew what a girl felt like as far as pregnancy goes was it more just like a gut feeling? It was like literally a gut feeling. Because I would say my pregnancy even felt with her more like it did with Graham who was my boy.
00:41:32
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<unk> See, and that's where I could get confused. Because I will say, i do think it's a girl. You feel different. I do, but I also thought Jack was a girl too. So I can't like 100% trust that.
00:41:43
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We did try the tips. The girls tips. So I'm like, maybe that will... But also... Didn't you have a little bit of gender disappointment with Jack? Oh, 100%. And now that you know Jack and Jack is here and you... It's like, I think that we can be vilified as moms if it's like, oh, you were disappointed it was a boy or a girl. Yeah. And I was like, okay, yeah, but then...
00:42:05
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you like are obsessed with them. Yeah. and It doesn't matter. I'm actually disappointed about them being that. I think it's more just like what your family will consist of. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I think obviously if I have four boys, that' just what's meant to be.
00:42:17
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and I, I know how to be a boy mom and I love it. But like, if I did have a girl, like I can also picture that. Yeah. And like, think about how spoiled she'll be with like three older brothers, the last child. So you're leaning towards youre not finding out.
00:42:28
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I am. But my plan, just everyone knows, is at 20 weeks to reevaluate. Because 20 weeks is like such an easy time to find out. Yeah, like you're going anyway. You're going anyway. But I do think like, Sam said, oh, you should find out and I won't. And I'm like, I just don't think won't. No, that's impossible. I think you either both don't find out or you both find um out. Exactly. So at 20 weeks, we'll kind of make the decision if we both find out together. Because I don't want to find out with Outland that's kind of like pointless. yeah The whole point is like celebrate or not together.
00:42:58
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And like right now I feel completely fine without with not knowing, but maybe once I start feeling better, maybe I'll want to know more. You've just been in the trenches truly just like getting through every day. This is so true. Like I am in the trenches right now, but I would do this a million times over and what you're doing.
00:43:14
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Yeah. So I was going share like a few things that have helped. There's been a couple things that I'm like, okay, this actually has made me feel a little bit better. of Yeah. My friend told me put a whole lemon into water. And that really did help. Maybe especially inside the sour cravings, but I feel like it helped with like actually drinking water. Did you do sparkling water or flat water? i just did flat, but you probably could do sparkling. would probably be tastier.
00:43:35
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um Second, medications. Sometimes you need the medication. And like again, it's the same thing with breastfeeding. You have to do what's best. Yeah. And I'm pretty like anti-meds. Like I like, um even ibuprofen stuff, I like to get off it as soon as possible. So like, I've tried days like where i don't take it. I'm like, it's just not worth it. So I'm, I'm just consistently taking it. I have like seven pills I take in the morning. Well, also throwing up is not healthy for the baby.
00:43:59
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Yeah. Well, it's not healthy for me. It's not healthy for you, but also like you need to be like gaining weight and like, yes. Yeah. When you throw up, would you like, this is really random question. Like, would you throw up like a full meal or was it just like acid?
00:44:11
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It was more like acid. It's like 90% of the time I throw up, it's literally this acid. Yeah, and I feel like it was a lot of dry heaving. Yeah. Like, I couldn't, I, like, wanted to throw up, but my body wouldn't actually, like, let go of anything. It was terrible. So gross. Um, okay, sleep.
00:44:27
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Like, I think sleep is just literally where you escape it. Yeah. And, like, you can finally, like, have relief totally slept so much from my pregnancy because it was the only time that i wasn't nauseous exactly no that's that's like all i'm doing and i wrote doing nothing yep guys these are really helpful okay this is actually a helpful one and this is the main reason i wanted a podcast tonight too was like one thing that actually helped me is listening to podcasts really yes i know that sounds so funny and like it's kind of the opposite of the chat cheek chat dpt theory i think when you want to take yourself out of your own head for a minute yeah
00:44:58
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and like that's one thing i do kind of hate about chat gpt sometimes i'm like i feel like i'm talking too much about my feelings and my thoughts yeah and i'm like getting and you're kind of in like an echo chamber of your thoughts absolutely and so like having a podcast that's just like takes your mind to a different spot has been really helpful like what i do is i go to the i do the iv therapy yeah i take my podcast and there's massager it helps for like the time i'm there i don't think it's like I love going. Like, it makes me feel really good for the hour I'm there. but I don't think it helps that much. So that that is worth it. And I put my podcast on, and I can kind of escape from, like, that moment. And so that's been, like, really helpful. You'll have to share some of your favorites.
00:45:34
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<unk> Honestly, what we said the What We Said podcast. But I've been watching a lot of Giggly Squad too that you showed me giggly school And then The Toast. I think just like Mindless. Those are my like three podcasts too. Park Mom. I haven't listened to us that. Really? Yeah, I don't always listen to the episode, but i did I was like missing it, you know? Yeah, it's been a while. Okay, and then the last thing.
00:45:55
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i feel like I've had like major like pregnancy uglies with the combo of winter uglies. Oh. I feel like I've been at postpartum at least. That's why I had to get my hair done. I was like, I need to feel something. Exactly. So I like did my eyebrows, I did my hair. so that was like, I went to the dark side. That's what i did. I'm like, I need to do something to feel like cute. Yeah. Cause I felt, have felt so I love the dark hair. So yeah, I haven't had dark hair since high school. as you guys will have to let me know you think. I want to know what your boys said when you came home.
00:46:23
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Well, it was cute. Sam prepped them. Because they had the compliments right when I said, you're so beautiful mom, I love you, why are you so pretty, like I love it, you know. I could tell he had like, don't forget to tell mom pretty. Everyone's so good. Everyone sit down.
00:46:37
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This is what you're going to say, tell mom she's pretty. And it's like, oh my gosh, I love that. That's so sweet. But they did, so they were very complimentive. And then Colson the next day is like, I do not like that. You do not look like you.
00:46:49
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But now are they used to it Now they're used to it. Now they don't even make realize. And to be honest, I think I like it better. like I love it. I look back at pictures of me and like my blonde hair was like good. i do like that. But there were so many times when it was like mixed with a ton of darkness that I feel like it almost looks better being all dark. eyes pop too. Yeah, it does bring out my my eyes, my blue eyes. Yes.
00:47:10
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And yeah, I feel like it was a kind of a crazy decision. People say don't do stuff when you're pregnant, but i also like just feel like it seems thicker. Like everything just feels more luscious. Also, sometimes you just need to feel something. Exactly. chopped my hair postpartum. Remember? Yeah. i chopped my hair postpartum. No, do not let me. Do not let me. I didn't even tell anyone. I went to Supercuts on a whim and came home. You didn't know that? Supercuts? Yes.
00:47:35
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Yes. I was running an errand and I came home. And my hair was just literally chubby. And I've never had a bob before. Like, it was my first bob. And Cameron was just like, oh my gosh, do need it? do love a bob. And a bob is, like, the vibe. But I will say, like... No, when you were chopping your hair, it's not it. When you were chopping postpartum, my face was bigger than it's ever been. And I cut my hair short.
00:47:59
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You don't have a round face, though. I do. so that's why short hair doesn't look good. have a rounder face back then. It is really funny how your face, like, gets round immediately. You're, like, four weeks in pregnancy. And you're like,
00:48:10
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john I told you when we were recording the podcast I was like wow that was quick I feel like even when I was seven weeks last time I recorded I had major pregnancy uglies um wait there's something I was gonna say about that thing is oh have you seen the TikToks where it's like I'm due in August but everyone everyone might tell everyone my due date is July like the end of July oh so that they're not I think like, did you do that? Like, I totally don't. my due date is actually technically the first week of August. I'm telling i everyone I'm due at the end of July. Oh yeah. Because one, I do usually deliver early. And two, especially like with work and stuff, I want them knowing I'm leaving in July. I'm not giving them to August. No, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's so true. That's so true. But it is funny. Like, I don't know. And it's like the same thing when I'm like almost 15 weeks. Like, actually my change day is Saturdays. Or is it Sundays? and Sundays.
00:48:57
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Okay, that's a day. 14 weeks, but like, I, I, one thing is Thursday, Friday, I'm like, I'm 15 weeks at this plane. Yeah, you round up. Did you do that? Yeah, you have to round up. Makes me feel better. Yeah, it does. I'm trying to think, oh, I, there's also another thing where people are like, I'm not telling anyone my due date, because if I go over my due date and everyone's texting me like, did the baby come to the baby? Yes. And that's going to be so stressful. so that's a hot tip. if Well, cause yeah, you were due, you were due mid January, right?
00:49:24
Speaker
January Okay, but I always thought you were doing it first week of January, but you do always go early. I do always early. And yeah, she was born January 8th. Oh, see? There you go. So so that's basically all of our life updates, guys. We are back. Like, it feels fun to, like, chat again.
00:49:39
Speaker
We were not okay. We're still not really okay, but we're getting better, right? We're getting better! Do you feel like we're both on the up? Not necessarily. I wouldn't say I'm on the up yet. Are you?
00:49:51
Speaker
I don't know. I did have, like, a longer stretch of sleep last night, so I'm feeling like that Disney princess we talked about. Got the ups and downs. But, like, tomorrow I could be done bad again. Yeah. I don't feel like I'm on the up yet, but I'm not, like, I'm at the point where I'm so used to it i have to function at this point. Like, I can't just, like... Go bad.
00:50:08
Speaker
I mean, it's already been, like, three months. Like, I can't go another month with doing nothing. Why is pregnancy so long? has it hasn't been three months okay i found it i found out thanksgiving i started feeling sick like the second week of december so i guess it's been like two months but why is it so long um i don't know is it so long and short we don't have so many kids is that why i mean look at us we're having four kids bro that's a lot of kids but like if pregnancy was only two months people would have like hundreds hundreds of kids i've always thought it'd be funny i think i've said this on the podcast before if you had to choose between you and your husband
00:50:43
Speaker
Like, who would it be pregnant? Like, you took turns every time. or like You could decide who had to do it It would have to be 50-50. I would for sure share the load. I will say, I'm not happy that Camden was had in pain from his beside to me. but Yeah, how bad was it?
00:50:58
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It was worse than we thought it would be, but still, minor. not bad You know? Like, I think it's definitely painful for them. headache painful? No, I feel like it's like getting kicked in the gonads.
00:51:16
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painful kind of painful don't tell your husband that though yeah for anyone it was really fine it was really easy it was totally good no it's been fine he's still recovering but it's been interesting to like think like oh could he handle what i'm hand what i've been handling i think he could honestly yeah i think the hard part about it is it's just forever it's so long if there's no like
Family Dynamics and Future Goals
00:51:41
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relief for such a long time and then like even when you start feeling relief then you start getting like the like um what is it rod leg pain like i just think like yeah yeah know we talking about that in our group text like you go from being sick and then you'll maybe have like a little bit and then you go into like third trimester like yeah everything hurts you have reflex you get headaches you get all this and then it's like postpartum like yeah yeah like maybe your stitches heal but then your boobs start healing like hurting and then you have just all like right now yeah my boobs hurt so bad Yeah. So it's like, it's always one thing after another, after another. and i agree. part I will say though, and this actually is kind of going into the next topic. So let me actually go into to the next topic and then I'll say this. Um, so obviously it's like the end of 2025 and then we're going into 2026 and it's already February, but it feels like it's still like, we haven't really talked about like it being a new year. Um, I think one thing that actually has been positive of being pregnant is I actually in some ways feel happier. I know that seems like so weird,
00:52:42
Speaker
even though you're struggling yeah like I think it's kind of like I kind of didn't have like 2025 is kind of a hard year for me and so I think like almost like the change of pace and like feels good to close that chapter it feels good to close that chapter and then I also think to focus on like this new change yeah and like it's kind of allowed me to be okay with like not doing as much as I normally do, especially, like, work, because that was, like, a big stressor for me last year. Yes. And, like, just say no to things and like, feel comfortable at it. And I'm not, like, in some ways i have, like, less anxiety because I'm so...
00:53:18
Speaker
I'm barely getting by just like being sick. you know what I'm saying by that? No, I felt like I had less anxiety when I was pregnant because I didn't even have the capacity to have anxiety. Yes, exactly. That's what it felt like. Exactly. And it just feels like the called depression? it just feels like the timing was right. And like, it's such a blessing and a change in its own way that like,
00:53:39
Speaker
it's almost like turning over a new leaf and like kind of, cause I, obviously we're talking right now about like pregnancy and postpartum, health all those phases are hard, but you're kind of like living life in a good way because you're going through hard stuff.
00:53:50
Speaker
And then sometimes when you're not going through all of that, then life is still so hard. You're like, why? You know, is it just me? Am I the crazy one? That's so true. And I feel like we've also been saying like, we're kind of, not complaining, but we're just like sharing experiences of being postpartum yeah and all those things.
00:54:05
Speaker
And obviously it's worth it because we've done it four times. Yeah. So like with all this being said and done, like it's worth it. Yeah. It's completely worth it. And like, I think you do feel a purpose in that. Right. And I think like sometimes it's easy as a mom, like when you aren't doing something like this, that's taking all your energy, of like feeling that purpose. and Like, what am I supposed to be doing? Am I supposed to be working? Am i supposed to be starting a business? Am I being a good enough spouse? Am I being a good enough friend? And like, it's kind of nice to have this be my purpose right now. yeah Does that make sense? No, I love that. And that's a really good way to look at it.
00:54:38
Speaker
um Okay. So it kind of, I don't know if you have heard this, but last year was like the year of the snake. Yeah, I have no idea what this is. And this year is the year of the horse, like the fire horse. I mean, how was your 2025? Was it a good year? Like, you remember it?
00:54:51
Speaker
No. I was so sick and pregnant, literally just trying to survive. We moved. Yes. Oh, yeah. You had a hard year with that. forgot. It was just like a lot of change. Yeah. I don't know. I guess snakes change a lot. What's it called? They say it's like the shedding year, where it's like you're doing a lot of work, but you're not necessarily getting results. It's kind of just like...
00:55:10
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putting a lot of effort and i don't know if i'm explaining this completely right but it's like basically you're putting in a lot of effort but you may not see the results and then the year of the horse is like kind of a powerful year where you kind of come into your power and like start i'm like even talking about it kind of makes me feel good yeah you know i like this and so i'm like i do feel like there is this new vibe of 2026 where there is more positive energy at least for me like i feel like i'm going into like my power in way I love that. I'm really thinking about that. Well, I feel like I want to take that because I, it's weird. I'm like closing this chapter i' Camden was saying this. He's like, it's like, we're done growing our family and now we're moving into the phase of like raising our family and like raising our kids.
00:55:50
Speaker
And so like, it's weird. Yeah. almost like more pressure in a way. Like, yeah, it's like a different kind of pressure. But also I feel really good knowing that like that chapter is closed. like baby factories closed. Yeah. I'm not making it any more babies. I told him and I was like, you want to make more babies when he was deciding to get snipped or was like, if you want to make more babies, it's going to be someone else because it's not, it ain't going to be me. Like four is good, bro. Yeah. Four is very, very good. Okay. Actually speaking about what's like one thing you're really proud of from 2025 or it could be a few things.
00:56:19
Speaker
I will say probably moving and getting everything ready and settled in such a short amount of time before having a baby. Like that was crazy. Yeah. That we decided to do that. So close to having a baby with three other kids with also both working. Yeah. That was insane. I can't believe you did that. You kind of were just like on adrenaline. No, I was running on pure adrenaline.
00:56:39
Speaker
Yeah, that was crazy. And energy drinks. Um, yeah, I feel like it's kind of funny. We did, that we do a year in review with my mom. I told, talked about this last year. And I couldn't think of like much that I did in 2025, but it's like, I did so much, but like, I like can't even think of what I did. But I think obviously a big part of my year was like starting a new job and like taking that on. And then I still had like a newborn, honestly, like, yes, you 100%. I feel like you had Jack yesterday.
00:57:04
Speaker
I mean, he's only, he's only one and half. So like it was postpartum starting a new job, like, kind of that, like, postpartum depression slash, like, not feeling I could get everything done that I needed to, like, and that was, like, pretty much last winter and spring, and then in the summer, things that finally settled, and I got better, and then I'm pregnant. And now you're pregnant. It it really is crazy. Yeah, I do feel like, in a lot of ways, it was, it was a like, shedding year for me, where I did a lot, but it wasn't, like, something where I, like, ran a marathon. Yeah, you didn't reap the benefits yet. I didn't have like, this huge, like, milestone accomplishment that i could, like, write down, but, like,
00:57:39
Speaker
Looking back at my year, I actually did a lot. du And if you look at the days of what a mom does, she is running a marathon every single day. So, like, we ran in a million marathons, but they're not as measurable as, like you said, like, running a marathon, traveling to Europe, doing this. It's like, when you're a mom, you're just, like, running a million miles a minute, but it feels like you're running in circles. Exactly.
Achievements and Life Transitions
00:58:01
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um Okay, we actually had our, or we type in your past, we had our followers. We were going to do like an accomplishment cake the night that he went into labor. We had our followers like write in a few things that they accomplished and I wanted to share them because I think it's just like so cool to see, like we are doing so much as moms. Okay, so I'm going to read them. Okay.
00:58:18
Speaker
I hit my financial goal for the year and I took intentional time off. Love that. Good job. We love financial goals. Added a third baby to the family and moved across the country for my husband's dream job. I'm tired.
00:58:31
Speaker
For my husband's dream job or from my husband's dream For. Oh, okay. i thought you said from. i was like, oh, shoot. That, yeah, moving across the country. I can't even match it. I moved down the street.
00:58:42
Speaker
And like third kid is like, that's a big accomplishment. Like one kid, two kids, all of them is a huge accomplishment. But it is like. Feels like a lot. You move by pregnant too, it's a lot. Survive starting a new job and getting pregnant.
00:58:56
Speaker
That's a hard one. had a baby truly it's such an accomplishment like and it does take up it feels like oh i had a baby but it seems so small and it's not like it's generally it is a year of dedication even doing it the fourth time i was sitting there in the hospital thinking like that's crazy we do that it it is it's crazy and it's like getting pregnant pregnancy postpartum like it's a whole slew of things i had my first baby that's cute lots of babies promoted to lead marketing at honest oh Oh, that's gotta to be Alex because she's like the head of social media, honest company, not just how he's company. Yeah.
00:59:34
Speaker
Did you see that Jessica Alba was in the Super Bowl dance? She doesn't know what i recognize. don't know why she like, I saw her and I'm like, Oh, that's just good. I know 120 burn boot camps and started my own business. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. good. I didn't get to a hundred this year. I think I got to like 50. I don't even know what I got to.
00:59:55
Speaker
I will have a workout goal eventually, just not in the next six months. We'll get back into it. Yeah, 100%. um Had a second baby boy this year and was able to breastfeed him all year, and I struggled very hard breastfeeding with the first. That's awesome. Such a huge accomplishment. Growing a human.
01:00:13
Speaker
Hey, that's a huge accomplishment. Oh, this one's yours. Got through my fourth pregnancy almost. You did it. You've done it now. I did it. War is over. Anyways, we're so proud of you guys. And I think,
Motherhood Milestones and Future Aspirations
01:00:24
Speaker
like, truly we're all doing so much. And, like, if you didn't feel like you did enough last year like me, go through your photos of this last year and just see everything you have accomplished.
01:00:33
Speaker
And I think sometimes, too, it's, like, the small things that actually make the biggest impact, especially being moms. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's not all these big goals. It's, like, being there for your kids. and like Raising the future generations. Absolutely.
01:00:45
Speaker
and Okay, my last question. We're multiplying and replacing. multiply eight kids between us yeah think about it like when we go into public with all of our kids those are all going to be our kids eight of them that's insane i can't even think about that honestly it's like it stresses me out like i can't believe i'm gonna have four kids like it's crazy to me like when i say it i'm like wow i can't believe i have four kids i feel how you felt a little bit with grandma like where you're kind of mourning your last baby yeah as a baby like jack I'm kind of like, oh wow, he's like not going be a baby anymore. and It's kind of weird. It is kind of sad. Okay, my last question for you. Then it's like your last baby comes, you're like, okay. This is meant to be. is meant to be.
01:01:26
Speaker
Okay, my last final question for you is have you thought about any goals for 2026? My goal in 2026 is to become the hottest mom I can be. Really? Yeah, it is.
01:01:38
Speaker
yeah Are you like a goal setter like at the beginning your do you set goals and like here's what I'm gonna No, yeah yes. No, they are. Usually Camden and I like have PowerPoints and we're like, key here's our financial goals, here's our best goals. And like, it is fun to look at it, but truly i want to survive the first half of this year. yeah The first six months of postpartum, like I'm very much still in it. And then I'm going have my own version of a mommy makeover.
01:01:59
Speaker
Yes. Meaning that like, I just want to become like the healthiest and not just like the way look, the healthiest version of myself. I know it sounds so cheesy, but like mentally i just like want to like feel really good. i want to do all the things so that i can be a good mom. Yeah.
01:02:15
Speaker
So that is goal. It's just like, I hope that 2027 I'm like feeling hot, feeling good. Yeah. Feeling like myself. We'll report back. um i i hope we're still doing the podcast actually not a hundred percent the podcast is a goal i'm actually not a big like goal setter at the beginning of the year because i do think i do a lot of goal setting just like all the time in general yeah like i think i'm a pretty we can't stress ourselves out too much yeah so i do like i've actually stopped doing like beginning of the year goals because i do think like i constantly do them through the year yeah um with that said though this year i have not done any goal setting and i think i think this year for me like there's enough on my plate
01:02:54
Speaker
that I have to do, like, finishing working this year, having a baby, we want to try to move this year, like, those are all things that I'm, like, gonna do by force. There's, like, not really room for you to make goals this year. No, I mean, like, once I start feeling better, I'd love to put, like, a walking goal together just because, like, yeah mental health, that's good. Yes, but, like, no, but you just need to, like, we kind of just need to survive 2026, like, yeah thrive as much as we can, but really just, like, and then I feel like I don't want to put it off, but I feel like 2027, we're going to be done with having kids. No, you'll be feeling great by like 2020. Yeah, you'll be feeling great by 2027. I'll be like six months apart. I'll be feeling pretty good too. You'll be feeling pretty good. sleeping that Yeah. I'll be in a different headspace. But I think like, yeah, this year it's like, it's survive. And I think it's also coming into my power of just like being present and what I'm doing and like not wishing the year away, just like staying busy and more just like.
01:03:49
Speaker
And slow living. Yeah. enjoying the moment of being sick we're really happy to be back you guys lots of changes this is probably a long episode because we have like we haven't really seen each other and so we have so much like chat about we still have so much to chat about but we won't bore you with all it we won't tell you everything but this is a great like postpartum pregnancy episode and just like you're doing so much like i think that's the biggest thing is like and secondly like this is the year of horse coming into your power and like hopefully you feel like that energy of like it's like picturing what's that horse movie spirit spirit's a vibe like you should be pitching with spirit i love spirit The music, the soundtrack, it's amazing. I can't even think it was singing. Should we have a girl sing? I'll DM you. I'll DM you the song. I'm going to send you some information about the year of the horse. Okay, I'm into this. Yeah, it like it feels good having a motto of just think about coming into your power. And it really does make so much sense this year. that way you dyed your hair dark? Yes.
01:04:47
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I'm a horse. Because you're like your mane. My mane. Oh
01:04:52
Speaker
gosh, it's way past my time. Okay, all right. See you guys. Bye. Bye.