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NCAA Women's Referee Championship
40 Plays2 years ago
Fresh and Pancakes talk the Women's NCAA Championship game!
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Introduction and Podcast Theme
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All right, welcome back to the Fresh Cakes podcast.
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Very excited about today.
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We might title this, I'm not sure, double stack of pancakes might be one name for it.
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You're gonna get a full dose today and I just can't wait for it.
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Feel like I would podcast could be a student driver car and I would have that little secondary break, you know, if I'm in the passenger seat.
Women's Basketball Championship Build-Up
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pump the brakes on pancakes when we start talking about refereeing and the women's national championship game but i guess i just uh said it but what are we talking about today oh today we're talking about the game that was the women's national championship for basketball yeah or the game that almost was or sort of was i guess you could say sort of was it felt like three teams were playing fresh today it was the the refs lsu and iowa
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And I know you don't have much to say about this, so maybe I'll just talk or do you want to?
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No, I'm just kidding.
Caitlin Clark and Iowa's Surprising Victory
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No.
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Well, you know, before before I get heated, you know, before I just come in, you know, zero to 100 fresh, I guess that we can give people a little bit of background on the women's tournament and the teams that played.
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Yeah.
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So the teams that played today.
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were Iowa and LSU.
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And they're both very good teams, but they weren't number one seeds fresh.
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And in fact, something kind of exciting happened where Iowa, how they got into the national championship is they beat South Carolina, an undefeated team, the regular season.
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They were completely undefeated.
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42 game winning streak going back to last year yeah ended that that's yeah pretty impressive yeah um and their star player i believe her name is alia boston just decided to go pro to the w i mean she's phenomenal so the fact that clark and iowa beat them was was awesome but go ahead who else who else
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uh lsu also you know they weren't a number one seed either and they were in there and they beat virginia tech who if i'm right was a number one seed right fresh in the tournament to get there they sure were so they both beat one seeds to get here yep and lsu only lost twice in the regular season one of those losses being to the undefeated south carolina and the other being to tennessee
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Right.
Key Players: Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese
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And again, South Carolina is who I would be to get here.
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By how many points, Fresh?
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I think they lost by like 24 points.
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Was it that much?
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Was it that much?
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Yeah.
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LSU, yeah.
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It was kind of crazy.
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It was, yeah.
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When LSU lost to South Carolina, it was a close game, though.
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Iowa and South Carolina, right?
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Yeah, I think they won by like four or something.
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I think it was like 77, 73.
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That was a good game kind of down to the wire.
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Yeah, as it should have been.
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I mean, South Carolina was the number one overall seed in the whole tournament and the number one seed in the country all season.
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Another little bit of background for people that maybe aren't familiar with women's basketball is both of these teams, Fresh, kind of have these superstars on their team, one of them being Caitlin Clark for Iowa.
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And who was the other one for LSU, Fresh?
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I think it's Angel Reese.
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Yes, Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark, the two...
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you know, big players for these teams building up to this and Caitlin Clark for a little bit of background.
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She just had two back-to-back 40 plus point games in the NCAA tournament.
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And like one of them was a triple double.
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I was going to just say that.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I wanted to mention this and we didn't talk about this pregame, but pancakes texted me earlier this morning and on my time and
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I was like, hey, you might want to check out this Iowa game.
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And I haven't, I don't really follow like women's basketball.
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I don't really follow men's college basketball that much either because Penn State kind of sucks.
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But, and I was like, surprisingly, I was like, oh, I know.
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Like, you know, because of Caitlin Clark, like she's kind of taken the whole country by storm.
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That's why I think they said like 6 million plus people watched this game, which is... The last game.
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We don't know how many watched this game yet.
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Okay, right.
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It was the South Carolina-Iowa game.
Impact of Caitlin Clark on Viewership
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Yeah.
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And so these are big numbers for women's college basketball.
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Probably destroy any numbers the WNBA has ever done.
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But I was like kind of...
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It made me realize, like, well, Caitlin Clark is, like, is that big.
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She's almost like the Diana Taurasi from my generation with UConn, you know, how they just went nuts, and she became a superstar.
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And that's when you talk about the officiating of this game, and you hear a lot of tweets.
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Are we ready to give them that?
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I don't know.
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It just made me think of it because it's like you hear these tweets that's like they just sent women's college basketball back.
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Yeah.
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you know, destroyed all the progress that was made.
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You hate to see that, but, um, what are we getting in before that?
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Anything?
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You have anything you want to say about Caitlin Clark?
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I guess Caitlin Clark.
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Um, one of the things we're going to get into is the technical on her and Caitlin Clark.
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Uh,
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I don't think you're a listener to the Fresh Cakes podcast yet, but I hope that you one day will be.
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And I invite you to come on here and tell us the story of that technical that you got in that game.
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So please, Caitlin Clark, grace us with your presence.
00:05:27
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We can't pay you.
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I'm sorry.
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We don't have NIL money.
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Well, maybe after next year when she's like going pro, she won't care anymore.
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She'll give us like the real scoop.
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the real scoop all right caitlin the offers out there for us this audio clip you know i'm going to edit it into everything and just at you all day every day and that's so that you come on here and talk to us yeah because you're a big fan and the whole country is a big fan you know i mean you see here all over the place now and that's great for for women's sports in general and women's college basketball um except for what happened today right pancakes
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Yeah, so kind of really starting from literally the jump rush, literally the tip off the jump.
Controversial Officiating in the Championship
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The officials seem to be on a power trip with this game and making the game more about them than it being the biggest stage for a women's basketball game in recent years whatsoever.
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So, and I feel like that was very evident from early.
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You'd think it's the national championship game.
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Let's see who the better team is and let them play.
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Right.
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Isn't that what you would think?
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I would think that in a national championship game, to me, you don't maybe make calls that you make during the regular season.
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Sometimes because you want these teams playing at their most aggressive and at their most fierce because, in theory, these are the two best teams, and you want to see what they're like without too much interference.
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But I guess the officiating crew had different ideas, didn't they, Fresh?
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They did, and I keep coming back to this, like –
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Let Reese and Clark play each other.
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This is a highly rated game coming off a highly rated game.
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We're pushing women's sports forward and you're taking stars off the court in the first half too.
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I just don't understand.
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For ticky-tack foul, we're not saying that they weren't out there punching each other, man.
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These are like bullshit fouls, a lot of them.
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Caitlin Clark's two of her three fouls.
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In the first half, fresh two of them were offensive fouls.
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Right.
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When have you ever heard of that in a championship game?
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A star player getting called for two offensive fouls in the first quarter.
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Yeah, and they weren't like charges.
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I think of an offensive foul, and I think of a guy standing there holding his ground, and he gets run over, and he falls down.
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No, these were like little push-offs, which happens every play on both sides.
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One of them was questionable even to me, dude.
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The girl had her arm in one of them, and then the other one, it didn't even seem like she touched her at all.
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It seemed like she did a spin move and anything...
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that was contact was incidental based off of what she was doing.
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It wasn't like a push off.
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It wasn't like she ran over her, you know, like a running back running over like a defensive men in football.
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It wasn't like a typical offensive foul, like in the paint that you'd think of.
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They were just ticky tack weird things.
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And yeah, I didn't like that at all.
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And by the way, this went, this went both ways.
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So both teams had their start, like star players having to sit because in the first half,
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Both of Caitlin Clark and Angel both got benched in the first half.
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Yeah.
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Just crazy.
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And just if you need reference here, they called 37,000 the game, which was the all-time women's NCAA tournament record by one.
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And it was in the championship game.
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It was the record by 10, 10 more fouls than they've ever called in a women's championship game.
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One of those, one, that's a crazy stat to begin with, but to me, one of the craziest fouls that I saw fresh all game was that technical that they called on Kaitlyn Clark for literally bouncing the ball away from her behind her back.
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They called a technical, which was her third foul, which led her to getting sat in the first game.
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Half the star player that like for me, the reason I tuned in.
00:09:27
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I thought that was that was the first half.
00:09:29
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It was the end of the first half like the yeah, it was the second quarter.
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It wasn't the second half.
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It was the second quarter.
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OK, that's right.
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But I, Caitlin Clark was the reason I tuned in and now she's got three fouls before the first half is even over.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it looked like if you saw the play, this happens a million times in a basketball game.
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It looked like she was throwing it back to like where she thought the ref was.
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Cause usually it just counts the ball to the ref.
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Yeah.
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And she just threw it kind of behind her back in the ref wasn't there.
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And it went not even that far.
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It's not like she threw the ball into the stands or something, you know, it was just like a behind her back, not looking like kind of bouncing back towards the ref.
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So obviously Twitter and the internet is ablaze with that.
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And,
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We're not saying anything crazy.
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It's just what the entire country saw.
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It was a terrible call.
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And then you go back to, again, they broke the record by 10 extra fouls in the national championship when you let them play and you let them.
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So I don't want to beat a dead horse with that, but, man, just let the Stars play.
00:10:32
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That's why people are tuning in.
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And it just – they never got the game – it never had a flow to it.
00:10:38
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No, because there was whistles every few seconds for like some bullshit foul.
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And if you really wanted to call technicals.
00:10:45
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Yeah, they called travel calls that to me, I was like, okay, well, that would probably not normally be called.
00:10:50
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But even on top of that, like you want to call a technical fresh.
00:10:54
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Why was a technical not calling Ellis use head coach when she made contact with an official and she was like, there's six defensemen all night.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And she's like on the court literally like the whole night.
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Yeah, like that.
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The sixth man on the court for LSU all night.
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And it's just so crazy to me because, you know, you and I both watch like post-game conference stuff.
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And you have one head coach out on the court making contact with an official.
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And then you had the other coach, head coach from Iowa, saying that she didn't even feel like she could talk to the officials over some of the calls that were made.
00:11:28
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Yes, she said there was no conversation there.
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I couldn't even talk to them.
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And Iowa had it worse.
00:11:35
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They had one more foul than LSU, but it's not just that it was only one more foul.
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They were more impactful.
00:11:41
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Two Iowa seniors fouled out of the game.
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So you have to think about that.
00:11:45
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You're a senior.
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You battle.
00:11:47
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You're not really supposed to make it to the Final Four even, let alone the national championship.
00:11:52
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It's your last college game of your career.
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And you spend it on the bench because of like bullshit fouls by the refs.
00:11:59
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Because the refs want to control the game instead of letting those kids like play.
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And that's awful for me.
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If I were a senior and I made it all the way to the national championship and I fouled out over some questionable calls, dude, that would be devastating.
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You don't get another season.
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You don't get another game.
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That was it.
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And the refs are having a power trip over it.
00:12:21
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Sonano and Warnock, by the way, just to shout them out.
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I feel terrible for you guys.
00:12:26
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That sucks.
00:12:28
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You guys can come on the podcast, too.
00:12:30
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They can come on the podcast, too.
00:12:31
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Yeah, you guys can come on with Kaitlin.
00:12:33
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We call her K-Dog around here, but I guess it's C-Dog.
00:12:38
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Yeah, that was tough.
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This isn't to take away from LSU.
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They felt, and they did, have bad calls.
00:12:46
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go against them too and i mean they scored 102 points like you just that you can't take that away but it changed the flow of the game like when angel reese came out with her two fouls which at least one of them was pretty pretty not legit like it was and so they have their own complaints for sure um who came in jasmine carson and um
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She kind of popped off, man.
Jasmine Carson's Impactful Performance
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She didn't miss a shot.
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MVP of the game by far, dude.
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Yeah.
00:13:18
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I mean, she, I think, was seven for seven and, like, from the field and five for five or something from three.
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She ended the half by banking in a three at the last second.
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A kind of crazy three-two if you go back and watch that.
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I didn't think it was going to go in.
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And it just backboard net.
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Nuts.
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And you can't rewind time.
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But, like, and the refs obviously did not know that.
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There was like this time bomb ready to blow up if Angel Reese came out and Carson came in.
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But talk about the flow of the game changing.
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It was a close game.
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Reese has to leave because of fouls.
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Carson comes in, doesn't miss a shot.
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No one knew that.
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No one knew that was going to happen.
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She's a bench player.
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She's good.
00:14:00
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She's a senior.
00:14:00
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She's a good bench player.
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She's a shooter.
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She came off the bench fresh and scored 22 points.
00:14:06
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What an incredible night for her.
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And she's going to remember that for the rest of her life.
00:14:11
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Absolutely incredible performance by her.
00:14:13
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And I'm really happy for her.
00:14:15
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Absolutely.
00:14:15
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She seems really cool.
00:14:16
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Like watching her post-game conference, they were like,
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the world just got introduced to you tonight.
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Like, what do you want to say?
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And she was like, yeah, I don't know.
00:14:24
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I'm Jasmine.
00:14:25
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Like she just was like, yeah, I loved it.
00:14:27
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I loved listening to her talk.
00:14:29
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And I'd love to have her too on the podcast.
00:14:32
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I don't know if you're listening, but you earned a fan tonight out of me watching you.
00:14:37
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I was very impressed and game of her life in her own words.
00:14:42
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Yeah.
00:14:43
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Super cool.
00:14:45
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for her um and congrats to lsu again i don't want this sounds like we're like leaning it just it was on both sides it was like let's let's just see clark and reese go head to head and like this it's gonna be i just wanted to see that man and i felt like we never did and i i just i felt i feel a little worse for iowa because they lost so maybe i'm more sympathetic for them but it never they never it was like banging at the door the whole first half and these fouls that were very impactful fouls like
00:15:14
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They never gotten like a flow of the game.
00:15:17
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It changed the momentum that stuff does.
00:15:19
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Like people don't realize how even those minimal interruptions in the game where you go to the foul line impact the flow.
00:15:27
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Cause you know, it's one of those things where you just have to stop for a second.
00:15:30
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You said on the, you know, like the foul line and.
00:15:34
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Yeah.
00:15:35
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Yeah.
00:15:35
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And when they got some momentum, which I thought was second half.
00:15:38
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So maybe there's another tech, um,
00:15:42
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where they got within seven, and then it just felt like LSU was shooting free throws for 45 minutes.
00:15:48
Speaker
There's a point where I had to stop watching the game for a second because I was getting so mad at the officiating because I just thought it was ridiculous both ways.
00:15:57
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Both ways, like, let them play.
00:16:00
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It was fresh.
00:16:01
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It was so crazy to me because...
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I was so frustrated with the officiating because, you know, for me, like being like a woman, I'm like, finally, like women's basketball is like on the main stage right now.
00:16:14
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And everyone front and center.
00:16:16
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And then all Twitter can talk about is not how good some of those girls are.
00:16:21
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it's how bad the officiating was.
00:16:23
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And that was so frustrating for me because I was like, these girls are really, really good.
00:16:27
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And that's what people should be talking about.
00:16:30
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Not terrible calls.
00:16:31
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And it felt like that was the focus of it to me rather than what it should have been.
00:16:35
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I agree.
00:16:36
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And that's where you feel bad for both sides.
00:16:38
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You feel bad for LSU because everyone's like put an asterisk on this, like, like they didn't earn it.
00:16:44
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And I would felt like they never got a real shot.
00:16:49
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And this will be marred as like, I mean, it set the record by 10 fouls.
00:16:53
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It was like that bad.
00:16:54
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It's not like.
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37.
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Just put that in perspective.
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There's 10 players on the court.
00:17:00
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Yeah.
00:17:01
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Yeah.
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And it just felt.
00:17:03
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So the reason we're leaning Iowa's way, because they had two players actually foul out.
00:17:08
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LSU didn't have anyone foul out.
00:17:10
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They had two seniors that were starters foul out.
00:17:13
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So it just felt like it leaned, even though it was 19 fouls on Iowa and only 18 on LSU.
00:17:19
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They were more impactful fouls.
00:17:21
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So, like, we just feel bad.
00:17:23
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But I do feel bad for LSU, too, because, like, they win, and the entire country is like, this game was bullshit.
Championship Outcome and Controversy
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It didn't even – it shouldn't have even counted, you know.
00:17:33
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But they are the champions.
00:17:35
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You know, you got to give them that.
00:17:37
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And –
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jasmine carson tip of the hat to you absolutely jasmine carson i hope you get some nil deals from that is she a senior she is a senior so she doesn't have any more eligibility left but i hope she gets drafted i mean she can shoot little stuff curry over there you know little ray allen um who my cat's named after so you know i love some ray allen um but uh
00:18:01
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Yeah, awesome game.
00:18:03
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And LSU's coach even said they probably won the game there.
00:18:07
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And it was in the weirdest way where your star player comes off the court and a bench player goes into outer space and just can't miss a shot.
00:18:16
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And that's where the game was won.
00:18:18
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And I agree with that.
00:18:18
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I think that is where the game was won.
00:18:21
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I agree, too.
00:18:22
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It's March Madness for a reason.
00:18:23
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You love to see that, though, when somebody that you maybe weren't thinking was going to be the impact ends
Caitlin Clark's Future Influence
00:18:33
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up being the impact.
00:18:33
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And I love seeing March Madness for that reason.
00:18:36
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Yeah, and on men's game, too.
00:18:38
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The Final Four was the craziest Final Four I think I've ever seen.
00:18:42
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And you have two one-seeds on the woman's side losing in the Final Four.
00:18:46
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You have a two-seed and a three-seed.
00:18:47
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That's not...
00:18:49
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It's not like a nine seed or something, but a 42 game win streak and Iowa ends it to go into the like to the natties.
00:18:58
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It was like really impressive.
00:19:00
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So I'm excited to see Caitlin Clark next year with this motivation behind her.
00:19:06
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I know she's losing some pretty impactful seniors, but I'm excited to see her and I hope.
00:19:13
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That's what people take from this.
00:19:15
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Yes, this game was so bad.
00:19:18
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Hopefully this game was so bad officiating that some things get corrected.
Accountability in Sports Officiating
00:19:22
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You know what I mean?
00:19:22
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Well, officials have never been held accountable, Fresh.
00:19:24
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And this is my... I'm going to say it's actually not a controversial opinion.
00:19:30
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I think that just as coaches and players are required to do post-game conferences, officials should have to do a post-game conference and answer for their bullshit questions.
00:19:40
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During the game, because I would love to hear the media grill them.
00:19:44
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If basically young adults like their kids, if 19 year olds can handle a press conference, then why can't grown ass adults that are officiating handle a press conference?
00:19:54
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Yeah, I think they can handle it.
00:19:56
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And yeah, they've been chosen to officiate the biggest game of the year for women's college basketball.
00:20:02
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And yeah.
00:20:04
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I'm just going to dip a toe in this water and then pull it right back out.
00:20:09
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But I am going to say that they were all three of them were women.
00:20:13
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And I'm like, wouldn't that be on your mind to like,
00:20:18
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push the game forward?
00:20:19
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Like, was the moment too big for them?
00:20:21
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Because you're the only one of us that can speak to this.
00:20:24
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But if that's you, if you could put yourself in their shoes, wouldn't you be like, let's make this the best game possible?
00:20:31
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Yes, you call obvious fouls.
00:20:32
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You call, you keep the players safe.
00:20:36
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But like, wouldn't it be on your mind to not call the ticky tack foul?
00:20:39
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It felt like they made it about themselves, you know?
00:20:42
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It did, and I don't think it was about them being women.
00:20:45
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I think they're just bad officials.
00:20:46
Speaker
If they were men, they'd be bad officials.
00:20:48
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No, no, no.
00:20:50
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I'm saying wouldn't it mean more to you as a woman?
00:20:54
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Like, wouldn't you have thought of that?
00:20:56
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To be on that stage?
00:20:58
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Yeah, like, wouldn't you have thought of that and be like, let's definitely not ruin this game because you're a woman?
00:21:03
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I don't know.
00:21:04
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Maybe we're...
00:21:07
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My only guess, Fresh, is that they had some Vegas money on the line.
00:21:12
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They had to cover a spread or something.
00:21:14
Speaker
I mean, I've seen some tweets with memes of people dancing, and it was like when the...
00:21:21
Speaker
When the referees check from LSU cleared and it's like dancing and stuff.
00:21:25
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Yeah.
00:21:26
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That's kind of how it is to me.
00:21:28
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I love it.
00:21:30
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I think I'd be a bad official though.
00:21:31
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Cause to me, I'd be like, no blood, no foul.
00:21:34
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All right.
00:21:34
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Like I want the bad boys days back of basketball, you know, where you had Bill and beer down there in the post, just like, he was a brick wall.
00:21:43
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You're not getting past him.
00:21:43
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And I think for me, not just like in women's basketball, but all basketball fresh.
Evolution of Basketball Style
00:21:49
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I think that that's where it's really starting to lose me.
00:21:52
Speaker
Oh, and in like later years is that maybe that's just the nostalgia of kind of basketball.
00:21:58
Speaker
Even when I was growing up, it was even better when you were growing up of it being a rougher sport and it being more about toughness and physicality in the post rather than relying on the refs to give you a foul.
00:22:10
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Yeah, I remember being like 10.
00:22:11
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I can remember this or whatever year, whatever years you're in, like, young middle school and having a no blood, no foul shirt on the basketball court, like a practice, you know?
00:22:22
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And that was just like, that was like the mentality, you know?
00:22:25
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in the nineties and the eighties for sure.
00:22:27
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And yeah, I'm going to sound my age myself for this.
00:22:31
Speaker
Like, I don't love the three point only game.
00:22:36
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And even my team, the Celtics do this like so many times Tatum will come up the court and just shoot a three.
00:22:42
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And I'm like, dude, he didn't pass it once.
00:22:44
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Like, like, you know, there used to be like intricacies to the game.
00:22:47
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Yeah.
00:22:48
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And we saw some of that.
00:22:49
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And a lot of that was Iowa trying to catch up today, too.
00:22:52
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I'll give them that.
00:22:54
Speaker
And Caitlin Clark said after the game she probably didn't drive enough.
00:22:57
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And she gave credit to LSU for having people in the paint, you know, blocking her path.
00:23:04
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So, and LSU gave credit to Caitlin Clark and all the Iowa players.
00:23:10
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Some of them did.
00:23:10
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Not all of them.
00:23:11
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Yeah, some of them did.
00:23:12
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Not all.
00:23:14
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We'll just call her she who must not be named.
00:23:17
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But...
00:23:18
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You know, I used to play when I was a kid.
00:23:22
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You know, one of the first leagues I used to play, and I don't even know if this was a thing for you in Massachusetts.
00:23:27
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but Upward Bound.
00:23:29
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It was like almost religious driven basketball league in
Cultural Anecdotes and Humorous Stories
00:23:34
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the South.
00:23:34
Speaker
Like, I think it's like, it was sponsored by like Baptist churches or something.
00:23:38
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But people play, they were pretty common.
00:23:40
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It was called Upward Bound Basketball.
00:23:42
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And at the end of every game you'd get like, you know, the coach would hand out stars and the stars would be different.
00:23:48
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Yeah, well, okay.
00:23:50
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So this is just like a whole different tangent off of this.
00:23:52
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Before the game, you'd have to read like a Bible scripture story.
00:23:56
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And then you would play basketball.
00:23:58
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So this is like probably a very Southern thing.
00:24:00
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What every kid wants to do.
00:24:01
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Yeah.
00:24:01
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Yeah.
00:24:02
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But to me, I just wanted to play basketball.
00:24:03
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So I was like, oh, this is like cool, whatever.
00:24:06
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But at the end of every game, the coach would hand out a different colored star.
00:24:09
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And depending on the color of the star, it meant different things.
00:24:11
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Like I remember red was defense and I think gray was offense and the yellow was sportsmanship.
00:24:17
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So yeah.
00:24:18
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And then I think white was the most Christ-like fresh.
00:24:21
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Like, that's the kind of thing that was going on in the street.
00:24:25
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And so I'm going to say that the person that must not be named would have not gotten the gold or the white star for their actions at the end of that.
00:24:33
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They would have not been the most sportsmanship or the most Christ-like.
00:24:36
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No, you wouldn't have won the sportsmanship award.
00:24:38
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I just gave you a whole inside of cultural context to the South that you didn't even know about.
00:24:43
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No, that's crazy.
00:24:44
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Because, yeah, because...
00:24:46
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What's the other young lady's name?
00:24:48
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Jasmine Carson.
00:24:49
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Jasmine Carson.
00:24:50
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And then Alexis.
00:24:51
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Alexis Morris held themselves to a very high standard, I thought.
00:24:56
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Yes.
00:24:58
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Completely loved the sportsmanship from them.
00:24:59
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Loved their postgame interviews of how excited they were and making it about the team and stuff like that.
00:25:07
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I even thought Moki, after the game, their coach, she had a pretty funny postgame.
00:25:12
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I don't know if you saw the whole thing, which they were asking her about.
00:25:15
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social media and she was like i have no she was like i don't like you if you're on social media like she was hardcore about it but it was like fun it was it made me laugh it made me chuckle a little bit um and then she said the thing about taylor swift's in town and we sold this we sold this arena out which well you know what i want to tell her is that taylor swift doesn't go on stage until like nine o'clock so you're not special all right yeah they're probably ever compare yourself to the great taylor swift they're probably all going to see tay tay after the game anyway
00:25:43
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Yeah, exactly.
00:25:43
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They had enough time to shower and go.
00:25:45
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So it's not about you sold it out over Taylor.
00:25:47
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Don't ever say that, you know.
00:25:48
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Yeah, okay.
00:25:49
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I shouldn't have brought that up, baby.
00:25:51
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Now you're going to get a whole – press the brake.
00:25:54
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Press the brakes.
00:25:54
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I know.
00:25:56
Speaker
Where is this thing?
00:25:56
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I can't find my plate.
00:25:59
Speaker
But is that – so did you have a bad game in that Bible League?
00:26:03
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Is that why your mom tried to sell all your toys and you had to drag them back in the house?
00:26:07
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Or was that –
00:26:08
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Oh, no, no.
00:26:10
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I was actually, you know, before I had to have a different heart, you know, put inside me, I was already I was all right at sports before I stopped growing and everybody else kept growing.
00:26:20
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So, OK, that's not why she tried to sell my toys in the yard sale.
00:26:24
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Mom, if you're listening.
00:26:25
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Yeah.
00:26:26
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She had no real reason.
00:26:27
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My mom just doesn't like junk.
00:26:28
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And she... I still love that story.
00:26:31
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Just picturing you dragging your toys back in the house.
00:26:34
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I still... It makes me smile.
00:26:35
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That was a great story.
00:26:36
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It is.
00:26:37
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It's hilarious.
00:26:39
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I hope you hear this, mom.
00:26:40
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Yeah, thanks for sharing that.
00:26:42
Speaker
That was awesome.
00:26:44
Speaker
Anything else you want to say about this?
00:26:47
Speaker
The good, bad, and the ugly of this game?
00:26:48
Speaker
I mean, there's a lot going on, but... No, but...
00:26:54
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I guess the only thing I'll like leave on of transitioning fresh is Ray just continuing to be a freak of nature when it comes to picking things.
00:27:05
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He picked the national championship game.
00:27:07
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So we'll see if he picks the winner.
00:27:09
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He's two for two.
00:27:10
Speaker
But your dog of the dogs, they went one for two each?
00:27:15
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Yeah, they went one for two.
00:27:16
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One picked San Diego State and then the other picked like UConn.
00:27:21
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So they didn't like, you know, pick perfectly.
00:27:24
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They kind of picked some upsets, if I'm being honest.
00:27:26
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So at least they had some courage in their picks fresh.
00:27:30
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I'll tell you this.
00:27:31
Speaker
I thought G-Slice over there had the FAU pick.
00:27:37
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I thought he did, too.
00:27:37
Speaker
I was like, no way, FAU.
00:27:39
Speaker
Dude, they were up the whole game by double digits.
00:27:43
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And it just collapsed at the end.
00:27:45
Speaker
And the dude hit the miracle shot like...
00:27:47
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Which I was stoked for Ray, but I was like, dude, you know, G-bones over there almost picked the killer upset.
00:27:56
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So let's say this.
00:27:58
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The championship game is it holds more weight.
00:28:02
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So dogs can still get a win in this whole team.
00:28:04
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Dogs can still get a win.
00:28:05
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We'll see who they pick.
00:28:06
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Yeah.
00:28:06
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Yeah.
00:28:07
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That matters the most.
00:28:09
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I'll probably bet on whatever Ray picks, you know.
00:28:11
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Actually, I won't because I don't live in a state that allows that.
00:28:13
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But between you and I, you and I are a little personal wager.
00:28:16
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I'll pick whatever Ray picks.
00:28:18
Speaker
I mean, this cat might be worth millions, man.
Boston Bruins' Milestone
00:28:21
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If he picks this game, we're just gambling with Ray's picks.
00:28:30
Speaker
I'm fine with that.
00:28:31
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I just want to say before we go, shout out to my Bruins.
00:28:35
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They won their 60th game of the season today.
00:28:38
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Fourth team in NHL history to do that.
00:28:41
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I think they have to go three and two.
00:28:44
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So three wins, two losses from here on out to set the all-time record.
00:28:48
Speaker
But one of four teams to ever do that, man.
00:28:50
Speaker
Pretty impressive.
00:28:51
Speaker
I know you don't love to hear that, but.
00:28:54
Speaker
It is impressive.
00:28:55
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I'll give them that.
00:28:56
Speaker
You know, you're right.
00:28:59
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I'm just being, you know, petty.
Anticipation for Caitlin Clark's Return
00:29:04
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So congrats to LSU, despite the controversy.
00:29:09
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national champions and um can't wait to see what caitlin clark's gonna do next year i think she's gonna advance the game even more she'll the fire she probably has in her belly from this i can't she's i can't wait to see what happens next year man she might really change the game what do you think
00:29:28
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I think so.
00:29:29
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And I hope for the best for her.
00:29:32
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And I really hope she comes back so I can see her play again in college.
00:29:36
Speaker
Because you know how much I love college sports, man.
00:29:39
Speaker
To me, it's the sport in its purest form.
00:29:41
Speaker
Those kids want to win more than anything.
00:29:43
Speaker
And I just love it.
00:29:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:46
Speaker
A lot of them, it's their last games like this.
00:29:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:50
Speaker
two seniors for Iowa to foul it out.
00:29:52
Speaker
But okay, never mind.
00:29:53
Speaker
I didn't bring it up.
00:29:54
Speaker
I digress.
00:29:55
Speaker
But I'm going to let you send the ready break.
00:29:58
Speaker
Send one for Caitlin because she's going to be on the podcast a year from now.
00:30:03
Speaker
Not even then.
00:30:04
Speaker
We're going to get her in like six months.
00:30:06
Speaker
All right.
00:30:07
Speaker
Well, I don't know if she can legally do it during the season, but whenever.
00:30:10
Speaker
Whenever.
00:30:11
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She's just coming on.
00:30:12
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We're going to manifest that right now.
00:30:13
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Right.
00:30:14
Speaker
All right.
00:30:15
Speaker
All right.
00:30:15
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Ready.
00:30:16
Speaker
Ready.
00:30:16
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Breaking for Caitlin.
00:30:17
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All right.
00:30:17
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Ready.
00:30:19
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Break.
00:30:19
Speaker
Break.
00:30:21
Speaker
You don't think so?
00:30:22
Speaker
I think so.
00:30:22
Speaker
You send it.
00:30:23
Speaker
You send one.
00:30:24
Speaker
All right.
00:30:24
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You send one for Jasmine Carson, you know.
00:30:26
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All right.
00:30:28
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Jasmine Carson.
00:30:29
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Killer.
00:30:29
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Game of your life.
00:30:30
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Here you go.
00:30:31
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Ready?
00:30:31
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Break.
00:30:32
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All right.
00:30:34
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We surely would have them lined up.
00:30:36
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That was pretty close.
00:30:37
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Maybe they didn't.
00:30:38
Speaker
Dude, you got me looking at these waves.
00:30:39
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I don't like it, man.
00:30:40
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I just want to throw it out in the wind and see what happens.
00:30:43
Speaker
You're a surfer now, dude.
00:30:43
Speaker
You're a surfer.