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Speaker: My friend Will owns a cookie stand at the airport. There's nothing funny about that. He sells chocolate chip, snickerdoodles, and oatmeal raisin cookies. There's nothing funny about that.
Speaker: Chocolate chip cookies are his best seller. There's nothing funny about that. Will uses ultra-processed brown sugar in his cookies. There's nothing funny about that.
Speaker: Will has stage two colon cancer. What a bitch! Colon cancer is so pussy, bro. Hi, guy. So, are you a good person?
Speaker: No. Well, I would say most people would think I'm a good person, but I don't i don't feel that great. I feel like I'm ah fighting. like I spend all day, every day fighting my own laziness. That's what that's how I to feel. Is that a good person or a bad person?
Speaker: I think there's some self-awareness there. I'm just like, why this still happening? I don't know. But do you think you're the way you are? i think it's a good person, by the way. but Do you think you're the way you are because of luck, um genetics, or you made the right choices?
Speaker: Well, looks, I mean, i don't know you call it genetics, but I got i won the lottery there. So... h you know what's You know what's kind of sad? is like it does help.
Speaker: I'm not saying I'm a 10. I'm probably like 5. But like not being being a a like at a point enough where somebody might be interested in talking to you... is a way better way to go through life. maybe Of course.
Speaker: Of course. So when you say genetics, I would say, so I'm, um I've been like a normal person all the way around looks intelligence. Like I'm not, I'm not off the charts in any direction, but no one's going to be like, oh, he's hideous to look at, or he's an idiot.
Speaker: But no one's going to be like, he's a genius and ah and I'm a supermodel either. I was more thinking of like brain functioning. Like you're not super susceptible to self-destructive behavior or stuff like that. so Well, do you think that stuff is almost as important though? That's why i bring it up.
Speaker: Like, i mean, i like if i even if I look at my brothers who are nice nice people and people like them and stuff, but like they're they're more susceptible to gaining weight than me. No doubt about it.
Speaker: Like that's something they have to live with and they're fine. But like, you know, that might be enough to like trigger all the other shit that could come up, whether it's like health risk or, or mental,
Speaker: you know, whatever, feeling self-confident and all all that kind of stuff. like So that's why I bring it up. like not and I was kind of joking about my looks, but like, okay, somebody that's that's not it's not just going to put on a lot of weight or or whatever the fucking thing is.
Speaker: Because then that lead that could lead to like an addicted personality that could lead to all the other shit that causes problems. you know So i don't think i I don't think I have any of that stuff. Yeah, my brother had an addictive personality, and then weight gain was the result of that. That was the result, or that that was not the cause in his case. It was the result. No, no, and then it then it becomes like a carousel of, a speeding up carousel where it's like weight gain, self-loathing, more addiction.
Speaker: and That's so crazy. Like his, like, because it at some point when and when you knew him and you... It did not, it might've been like, oh, he's drinking or whatever he's doing, but it never, it never felt like it was going to end the way it did, right?
Speaker: No. Oh, no. For a while. I mean, I know you knew. Yeah. like Not when he was younger. No, I just thought he was an awkward person, but no, of course not. And that's, that's kind of what I want to talk about is because like, yeah what, what would move you from your normal state to maybe a self-destructive, addictive state. Because a lot of people will make it sound like, you know, their life was is sort of mapped out by them and and by them alone and the choices they make and their sturdy personality and all these things. And it's like, yeah, I think some circumstances can flow differently
Speaker: for each of our personalities kind of destroy us and get us on a path that won't won't won't be healthy so what would that be for you and and maybe let's do when we're younger let's not talk about kids dying and shit like that i think i have too much of a wimp to to do it like some of these people you find that they they got no problem just like committing to something and going all in and that's a good thing and a bad thing but like Self-destruction, a lot of times, you gotta be like, yeah, I'll do it. I'll try it. I'll do it. You know, like, that's where it starts. And I'm like...
Speaker: Yeah, whatever. Maybe the first bump, first shot, you know, whatever. like Or just get me... I might be like, oh, that crowd looks scary. i' I'm going to stay away from them. where where some Or other people like, those people look interesting.
Speaker: i'm I'm jumping in with those people. like i'm I'm kind of like timid on some of society's the fringes. i mean, people might not think that about me, but I feel that way. Yeah.
Speaker: um Now i'm past it Yeah. When you're younger. When you're younger. Yeah. I was similar. I mean, I had a little more risk taking than you, I think. But I also was like, ooh, cross the line. My guilt, my Catholic guilt keeps me out of any any problems. Yeah, now i'm past it. Like I could hang out with almost anyone from an addict to and not be affect, not be the point where I'm like, I gotta get in there, you know, or whatever I went through the last few years, like with my separation and stuff, it it never really felt like I was, I wasn't thinking of self-destruction as a solution, really.
Speaker: I mean i don't know if anyone thinks it was a solution but I never, there was nothing that happened where I was like I wanna, I should do this or that. Like, they were you know, I don't know, drug use or anything where I thought, oh this is this is the solution to to relieve the pain.
Speaker: Yeah, but I think it happens over time and it happens over sort of a domino of circumstances. So like I could, and I'm just giving examples based upon my trajectory. Had I continued to play college football, I think I would have been susceptible, more susceptible than most to head injury.
Speaker: And just based on past head injuries through... you know, middle school football and high school. And I think that might've created some chronic problems, so some pain, some headaches or something. It could have been a slippery slope.
Speaker: Yeah, that's a really interesting one though. For pain relief. Like I think I would have really been susceptible to head injury. And so like, there's not a month, I won't say a day, but a month that goes by where I don't, I'm not kind of thankful. Like I didn't keep, that I quit football.
Speaker: Like I'm glad that I stopped playing football. That is interesting because at the time, i bet you people would have been like, oh, he's going off the rails. like changing schools, leaving football. i'm sure, i don't know if anyone in your life was saying that, but people are probably like, oh, there he goes. This is the first step. You know, the kid quit his scholarship. that Now he's, next thing you know, he's shooting smack in the alley or something. Like that, yeah. that I mean, those are things that that, those are paths that people take. You talk about like when you, what would have taken it for us to go off the rails?
Speaker: There are people that would have, gone down the path you did and never made it back. Like self-loathed because they. Maybe the importance is tied to football or you know. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, I bought a guitar and and proclaimed I will start a rock band.
Speaker: And I didn't do that for many years, late until many of your years later, but I did end up doing it. But that's one example of where I think I could have maybe gotten self-destructive with sort of pain issues and led to like, uh, alcohol or drug abuse.
Speaker: Yeah. I, I think that's a good point. Like, i don't, I get to that. I mean, this is the other thing I'm fighting with my own laziness. I'm like, why is this still happening? You know, like a teenager wants to like sleep in on Saturdays or just like, I don't feel like studying. I'm like, why am I still having those feelings sometimes?
Speaker: But, uh, Yeah, like that, like you, you, you, I've had those points in my life where I just feel this sort of re re rebel type act, like you said, I quit the fucking, I don't know if it, it manif- it was like this, where you're like, ah, quitting this fucking team sport bullshit, and I'm gonna go do something creative and like start a rock band and be a rebel.
Speaker: And like, I've had those moments in my life. Like I, like when I was, I was, I remember in college, I knew I was moving up the veil to just snowboard with my friends and have, enjoy the good life. And I, anyone who was like, got, you know, working on their resume and going to recruiting meetings and shit. i was like, you're fucking so stupid. It's like, what are they doing?
Speaker: Right. It's almost like my my detriment was like being pulled back in into society then than being then like going the other way. i That's where I feel like, ah, that's what fucked me up.
Speaker: That's why I'm sitting here at 50 wondering what to do. Well, I think your your laziness is like you're probably... You've had to be pretty on the last the last couple years. And and like on. like To get the business off the ground and to... like leave your kids, come back, all that shit. And that that's tiring. And you're probably take trying to take care of yourself and prevent burnout.
Speaker: And that's why you want to sleep in. Yeah, I don't want to sleep. i just like enjoying doing nothing. I'm also doing that and then getting lost in the in sort of the day to day chores. Like we've talked about it, like the middle aged, upper middle aged man that's like cleaning and doing the trash and cooking. And I'll just get lost in that. was like the whole day is gone. the The battle, the battle for the last like two weeks has been like getting this fucking nonprofit roots down on website up.
Speaker: And I, and it's just every day I'm like, ah, and it's really stupid shit where it's like register the domain domain domain name with the, like, it's it's just like dumb DNS. I don't even, you know what i mean? Uh, just stupid online shit.
Speaker: And it's just, I'm like, why is this such a battle? But I got it, I got it going today. So I'm happy about that. But like, yeah, it's stuff like that. But, um, oh, what happened? I'm not, it doesn't look like you're recording.
Speaker: Like the whole time or now? Just recently, right before you got off. I still see the clock, Alvin. You see the up down? Yeah, we're at 10. No, I don't have that on my phone.
Speaker: I don't know. Maybe this phone's going to die. Let me sign back in. Okay. Give me a sec. Such a great thought I had too. All right, hold on.
Speaker: Let's see, dude. This is on my computer. All right, well, we could just piece the two together. uh anyway the thought
Speaker: i don't know what i was talking about be honest with you well uh the lazy was the laziness piece i don't know what you're saying but i i think there's a scenario where you moved up to vale you navigated yourself into maybe like a bartending job and then you still liked snowboarding and all that and had you not gotten the girlfriend you got and eventually gotten married, you might have not liked the matte version of that because that matte version probably- You think it's like would have just got bored of myself if I just stayed off the grid, so to speak?
Speaker: Potentially, but you also might have had you might have also slipped into some alcoholism, some functional alcohol alcoholism. yeah I think I did that for sure.
Speaker: Functional alcoholism. I mean, i feel like ah was an alcoholic, but if you look at the stats, what people consider, consider like alcohol abuse, it's a lot less than what people think. People think it's like someone who's, you know, hiding bottles. And it's like if you drink regularly, you're probably drinking too much.
Speaker: Yeah, but I think you could have doubled down on that by getting into sort of a an environment where it's accepted. It's oftentimes every night, you know, customers are hooking you up with shots because they're from out of town and you're having a good time. It's super functional, but it's it's a much less, well, much less healthy version of your current self.
Speaker: There is that. I mean, you've seen it. Any any resort area or what like but or even up in the mountains, people have been there too long, they've lost touch of reality because of that. But there's two paths. I mean, you see the people that they realize they can't really keep up with that, so they just kind of enjoy where they're at and they just have a life up there. um But I just think, yeah, I mean, if if anything was going to derail me, it probably would have been drinking.
Speaker: and then But I had a pretty normal life. I got married pretty young. had kids. I didn't have kids that young, but... ah I came back down from the mountains because of stand up essentially and then just got into the real world, real job world.
Speaker: And I mean, i don't I wouldn't say I have a regret, but I like I'm always like, i what if I just stayed out outside of this mainstream life that I've lived for so long?
Speaker: No. ah I think it's good. I mean, I think the spirit that I have is good and and in hindsight. I mean, we we talked about this ad nauseum, how we wish we could just be people who are like content with like climbing the corporate ladder. and all that crap. So the spirit of like, I think the spirit of being like outside of thinking outside of what the normal what what normal life is supposed to be is is good. But i don't think i I don't think I'm just that out there enough where I could like completely derail. It's almost like I'm saying it as a compliment, people that have the ability to derail. But I think there's like, they can harness that in any direction, you know, some like yeah if they can harness it, I should say, could lead to good things.
Speaker: ah Your sense of humor would have probably caught you somewhere and you just started trashing yourself and being like, bro, I think you would have gotten out of that cycle at some point. I just, it's possible.
Speaker: It's possible. Could have gotten bad. But you really think you could have derailed? ah Well, so. i think anybody can. Well, anybody can, right? With enough trauma or enough issues. But like, I think there are subtle things that happened that could have gotten me on.
Speaker: on that path. There's two things. One one is the music. Had i let go of my wife to continue that and it'd been a struggle, which it would have been to like get off the ground and and tour consistently.
Speaker: It would have been very anxiety provoking. It was already impossible to go to sleep after a show. So you start with the weed and you perk up before the show is some alcohol. And before you know it, you're in a cycle of that. And for me, that would have exacerbated my anxiety. And my anxiety is what would send me off the rails.
Speaker: Which is not a unique story in that business. Not at all, not at all. You need a lot to keep going in that, but who knows how long that would have lasted, but I think the guilt, the the shame for not having a real job, because like my decision point coming out of undergrad was I was applying to go get a doctorate in economics, or I was like, nah, I'm gonna mess with this band for a little bit. Those were the two options.
Speaker: Yeah. So it was, It would have caught me from a self-loathing point of view at some point. But that could have been. But the other thing was, there was a period where I get i gave up the band. I felt like a piece of shit. I hated my life other than my my wife.
Speaker: That's the only thing I felt was good. And I was day trading. And it was so stressful and so miserable that had I had enough success to continue doing that for an extended period, I think I'd be a different person.
Speaker: a real and a bad fucking yeah A real fucking dickwad. Just a real piece of shit.
Speaker: And I don't know what that would have led to. Interesting. Day trading. But just like the stress of it would have caused you that to affect every every other aspect of your life and then you might have had the money to like act on some something stupid or something like that? Potentially, yeah, yeah. Or or just like felt...
Speaker: entitled and maybe had an affair or just been crazy. Just I could see a cycle of if you stay in that, I remember the feeling if I stayed in that space for a long period of time, the results would not be good. So those examples I give are sort of like very subtle.
Speaker: like path. um You know, you you take one foot and you jump slightly in a different direction and you're going downhill. I'm sure there's other examples. Obviously, any sort of extended trauma or or really insane things happening to you like in a massive car wreck or something can send you into some self-destructive state. But I was looking for more, more curious about the subtle, the subtle switches you made in your life that, you know, who knows what could have happened.
Speaker: Yeah, I think the drinking for me would have been, it's just like a slow burn. Luckily, I'd never been somebody that could like, black out and keep going or or those episodes. I think I would have, I think I'd probably just, I mean, I don't know. and It's a good quote. Like, cause you mentioned in there, you were like, I quit the band and, and then you did something else. And so there was like, that was a weird time in your life.
Speaker: I did have conversations with my wife before we were married and not like it was, she was, you know, there was a battle forever, which was like, the stand-up it's like i'm gone all especially as things started to go better for me and stand up then i'm gone i'm in fucking cincinnati for five nights or whatever you know and uh not that i was so great that i was touring a lot but uh enough that if you if you're working at it you got to be out a few nights a week and um i have no like no sorry sorry i have no doubt you had had a career doing it oh yeah either i'm just saying um
Speaker: there were We had conversations where she would be like, well, this is what you want to do. Why don't you do it? And I'll go home. I'll go back to Costa Rica. Let's break up. Even after we had kids, but most more before. And then I wonder what that life would have looked like. Because they I probably would have been successful.
Speaker: And what's what's better? You know, you talk about derail. Like most success seems to derail people at some point. and And they either figure it out or not. But ah I don't know. Like what's better? Resentment?
Speaker: I mean, now in hindsight, it seems like a whatever decision, like but the you know long, happy marriage with kids is you know with its ups and downs. So it's not like I'm like, oh, how shit, why did I do that? Or I think it's just, I don't know. like I'm trying to think what what would derail me.
Speaker: And you're saying derail, which basically gives like substance substance abuse and homeless? is your yeah No, not necessarily. But yeah, no, no not not necessarily. six here here's sixteen in scar on your neck? Is that I just saw it. Here's the kicker, Matt. Here's the kicker. Here's the kicker guy. is i thought I think based on what you said earlier, and I know I'm the same way of wanting to steer clear of total chaos, and I think a career in entertainment is probably total chaos, but I think what gave at least me, but probably you, permission to do that was the stability of like, oh, I've got this good partner.
Speaker: I've got this person I can come home to. And yes, it was hard, but it's also what allowed you to go on stage and not take it so seriously and be good at it. And I actually think I could be a little more crazy having that as a backdrop or ah a I wouldn't call it a backup, but it's sort of a support mechanism.
Speaker: That's ah interesting. a normal A normal life, like a normal respectable life sitting there when I wanted it. and needed it while I was pushing the envelope in another direction.
Speaker: Yeah. Well, that's what, what's the saying behind every great man, it's a great woman or like, you're kind of saying like the stability actually allowed you to like, enjoy, like do it more than you had. Cause I wonder if I'm like, it was, is it, was I actually, or were we, or someone like,
Speaker: it's kind of nice in a way like i i just did it yeah i probably could have been really successful but i had this other thing going on like you can make it an excuse that you can kind of cling to where you're like yeah i'm as good as all these people but i just i just got this going on and i wonder if i i used it like i don't i don't feel like i did i always felt like i was torn in two different places because i really like both both sides of it you know my life my life outside of comedy and comedy was always two great things going on at the same time that didn't really get along but um Yeah, I mean, you're right, but but it takes a crazy person to be on the other side of that as you're as you're come as you're coming up, you know, and that person's probably susceptible to going off the rails. and Because i've actually I've seen it, like, with with people that have gotten divorced. Actually, now that I think about it, I've seen the other person and in various couples that I've come across that the other person's kind of gone fucking nuts.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's got to be weird to be married to a local celebrity, you know, um Yeah. no now Like when you you're doing you're you're in front of a band, you know, your your band is playing in front of a thousand people.
Speaker: You're not a celebrity at that point, either was I, but you're like, it's like you're the star of the show. It is kind of it's got to be it's like a unique person that puts up with that or whatever. Yeah, yeah, and you could have gotten mad trim whenever you wanted it if you were that kind of guy. Music, comedy don't play that way. No, yeah no but would you think you'd have fallen off the rails if a homeless girl came into a limo and gave you a blowjob with your friends watching?
Speaker: I'm not sure. I've never heard about anything like that. Well, you know what it sounds like? It sounds like that happened to me. And you're you're just but saying it subtly, but just to clear the air, what he's talking about didn't happen to me.
Speaker: But someone. Because I wasn't there that night, actually. No, you weren't. Nope. I didn't go into that bachelor party. that That's, I mean, that is a great, ah funny fucking thing, but that is a great analogy of like, I could never do that. I know this sounds ridiculous, but I can never like do that kind of stuff. Like that, like go that way. And that person, the person happened to is a pretty straight laced person.
Speaker: you know but has that ability to like go all in on shit. I've seen that person kind crazy a couple other times in my life, but one of the nicest, sweetest, sort of gentle people you would know. But I could never go that. I couldn't do it. I don't have the balls to do. don't know if you would call them balls, but I couldn't go that hard. No, you and I are running around using our mouths to talk shit, and I'm doing a little more physical stuff to be a goofball, and you're running your mouth and all that. While...
Speaker: Like we look crazier and wild, but like, again, the guys in my, in my band and they would admit to it, like they could go way crazier than me with the, with the liquor and with the partying and all that stuff.
Speaker: And, you know, I'm, I'm kind sort of opting out and move, you know, i'm not going to do any of that crazy stuff. You know, there's, there's two crazy Asian girls that like, want to take, I'm just going to be like, no peace.
Speaker: um I'm not going to go that far. Dude, can't. Nothing against Asians. Yeah, man. Yeah, I can't. That might be the one example that you got me on. But the.
Speaker: Like, I can't even imagine how there are people that live like live with themselves, like cheating all the time or having like extramarital affairs and stuff. And like, you're like oh, what a badass. But it's like, how do you how do you live with yourself?
Speaker: Like wear me down. Yeah, it's it's like I would feel such guilt. There's like so many so many things that comes up with that that you're like, how do how do you do that? And that's why i say I'm kind of a fucking wimp.
Speaker: But like, I don't know if like like I can do that shit. Even with drugs. and i can't do that. I smoked a lot of weed which and drank a lot. and That's about it. i couldt I don't think I can bring myself to even try. like like yeah yeah It's a one-time experience. Try cocaine or try heroin or something.
Speaker: I don't think I can do it because I'm just like too much of a wimp. Yeah. No, I felt I'd feel super guilty. Yeah. Going to a happy hour and having a couple of beers and being a little late when we had kids.
Speaker: um Oh, really? I drink all the time around my kids. They used to make fun of me. Like, it's weird seeing you without beer. No, I just I think both of us probably have a high sense of duty.
Speaker: I have to go back to that statement. Spirit seeing you without beer. Wow. That's a slippery slope. Well, they're smart asses like me. Yeah. Yeah. No, but I think that the sense of duty, I don't know if it's innate, it's learned, or if it's just a personality trait whatever. mean, you just keep doing the right thing. Yeah. Most of the best you can. You might go off, go outside the bounds here and there, but then you come back to it and you're like, fuck, I can't be doing that.
Speaker: That's... um That's a good thing to have if you have it. I'm pretty sure I remember a conversation with one of our high school friends or something. Like when I first started doing, I think it was you. so You got you got me You did something where you got me in the comedy works contest.
Speaker: And you or someone invited some our old high school friends who at the time we hadn't seen a long time. And I remember like a couple of them, maybe it was Rob or somebody was like, but you got you and Lance are like,
Speaker: they thought it was crazy that we're like pursuing this passion that was outside of the mainstream of like get a career and all that stuff and i remember like people thought that was crazy yeah we talked about like what's crazy people like how how would you even think that way like you went to college go get a job and uh i don't it's just weird the people's ability to like really let it go i don't it's almost like i'm admiring it's almost like admiring people have the ability to go off the deep end But I think there is like something, if they can harness whatever that is, it could be, they could be whatever, a famous artist or a rock star, a great hedge fund manager, whatever, whatever that is, where they have no fear of like getting, going to the edge, they can use it for something positive. And I don't necessarily have that. I think you described it perfectly. Like that sense of duty where I'm just on on my laziness.
Speaker: I can control just enough to like pursue some sort of thing. Like I got to take care of my family. so I was able to get this business off the ground or, or like, I can get my ass to the comedy club or I can get my ass to like make a website over the course of a month to, to raise a few hundred dollars for the rainforest.
Speaker: That's, that's as far as I can go. That's all. Right. And, and those exception. Yeah. And those exceptional traits are a double-edged sword, which is why I have a trouble, trouble, like admiring somebody from afar. Like I always,
Speaker: liked Peter Gabriel, for example. I just liked his style of music and the creativity and his vocals. And I i don't know if he's a maniacal psycho I don't know if he's a substance abuser was, or, but if he's like so obsessed that his wife hates him.
Speaker: I worked with a guy in bail that, that like, yeah, that that was a dealer and, and that passed life and was, and was like, yeah, he, he was dealing to to that dude, Peter Gabriel and Jerry Garcia, actually.
Speaker: Interestingly enough. That's Sledgehammer, right? Peter Gabriel's like Sledgehammer? Yeah, among other things. Gotta go deeper, dude. Who is that Simply Irresistible? is that Is that Peter Gabriel? Is that a... Oh, dude, isn't that UB40? There's no comparison.
Speaker: Oh, so Simply I don't know who that is. Wait, I'm look it up. here Your internet is getting lame. Should go back to the other one? My phone's Robert Palmer.
Speaker: Oh yeah, he's got it he's a hit factory. You might say, I want that guy's life or I want to be like that guy. And then you find out, shit, to to even have a career like that. Not only do you have to be a super weirdo to be that creative, but you have had to have experienced some insane things.
Speaker: Who was that? Yeah, I was actually, i we we went a little different path today. But I was thinking about who I actually admire. You know, like, who do I admire? There's not too many people left I admire. Even, like, athletes, you're like, I don't admire that.
Speaker: They fucking, like, i'm Michael Jordan, amazing basketball player, amazing businessman. Kind of seems miserable. Like, i don't know if I admire that. Like, to be that competitive and shit, it's like.
Speaker: But, like. Red eyes, too. Yeah, who is somebody who did it? eyes are always red. Why are his eyes red? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he's self-medicating. But I don't... i'm not Look, I'm not saying I can take them one-on-one.
Speaker: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it does not seem like somebody that I want to emulate or be around. Like, who's who are who are you like, yeah, they did it right? I know for you it's probably Axl Rose.
Speaker: Seems to have his shit together. Well, you like the way he sings, but like who's someone that you'd be like besides Axl?
Speaker: I wish my internet would... Maybe a guy like...
Speaker: maybe Maybe a guy like, although I don't really admire think about this person, but like if we're if we're in basketball, like a guy like Steve Kerr. Although he's love us he's got insane back pain. But he does seem like a thoughtful, successful person who's healthy all around.
Speaker: I think maybe to on the same, like Steph Curry might be a guy. he He might be in that path. We're getting progressively darker. Let's go one shade darker. We went curve we went Curry.
Speaker: Manute Bowl seemed like a good guy. That's the darkest person I can think of. Actually, he's always important that he had to show up drunk. he had that He had to play, Manu Ball to play drunk because he had so many body pains and shit. you imagine being 7'7"? Well, and growing up in Africa. mean, they're celebrities that seem like nice people and shit.
Speaker: Yeah, completely fucked.
Speaker: Dude, the delay in this is so bad. Well, let me go back to the other one. You can string these together, right, or no?
Speaker: I think so. Anyway, so many technical difficulties. I just don't even know we were talking about. People you admire. You said you admire a Fred Armisen.
Speaker: I do it admire Fred Armisen. But no, it was, we went, with you went Steve Kerr, then went Steph Curry, and then when then we went all the way to Manute. Yeah. Manute? Who's African. Who I think almost any African that you talk about or meet, you admire.
Speaker: Like, by nature. Yeah. Yeah. I know we're joking, but like, don't you think as you get older, you realize the potential downsides to people's intense careers or their, their insane wealth.
Speaker: And like, you might and admire an aspect of them, but you're kind of leery of, you know, that, that envy that you might've had when you were younger of like, Oh, I want that. I want that big house. I want this or that.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the cycle if you're lucky. If you if you're successful, because you hear, i mean, you hear it all the time where like people are successful or talking about them, their old self.
Speaker: And they're just like, yeah, it was a mess, you know. But there's something about that fire that took them to get there to pursue that success. But you're like, the only reason I'm hearing you say this, that you're in the public eye, this because you're a raging asshole for 20 years to get to where you are today, you know.
Speaker: Right. Like who, who knew Matt Lauer was banging chicks on the, uh, today show. Yeah. He was on my top five people. I admire list after.
Speaker: on town yeah like I just think of people where I mean not that I dislike these people and like even Jordan gave me a lot of joy watching him play basketball and I just know that like they're not probably like admirable people and like in all areas of their life I mean none of us are but I'm just like what is the model I guess the model is Jesus for a lot of people the actual Jesus what did he do He seemed like a good person.
Speaker: He seemed like he he had a lot to say. And he was sort of borderline condescending, like, follow me and salvation will be yours. mean, that's a little bold. It's a little cocky.
Speaker: Don't be prideful. Help people. ah You know, all that stuff. one those those parts of the teachings, not not how weird people interpreted it for their own benefit.
Speaker: ah Don't judge. Stop judging other people. All this stuff he stole from Buddha. That's fine. Nothing wrong with that. If that is the where he stole it from, then steal it from the right person.
Speaker: I think homosexuality was bigger back in the olden days there, and like maybe he had a love relationship with Buddha. I don't know the exact timing of their- Jesus was ah had an affair with Buddha, you're saying? Yeah. I guess it's not an affair if he he wasn't supposedly married.
Speaker: And that's where he learned some of those, and then he added his own flavor, like resurrection, shit like that. Hook up, it was that him and Buddha were just shooting the shit. Ha, ha, ha, POS, what a great pod. Yeah, so I don't i don't know and don't know how, like people say they admire their dad. i mean, I look at your dad, and I'm like, really?
Speaker: joking i'm joking don uh that do you think well let's flip that one let's flip that bitch do you think your parent your kids will admire you either now or in the future
Speaker: I mean, probably not. I mean, something to do with family relationships. Probably not, really? Well, I just think if you're close, if you're close and you see, now you see the underbelly and you know what what what your dad's weaknesses are and it's like, you're probably you're not sitting in admiration, but there are definitely things you might respect. I think there'll be things they respect.
Speaker: Well, do you have anyone in your life where you're like, i if I end up like that person, I mean, I don't know what admiration means, honestly, like but like is there someone you know is there someone like, I would like to be like him, or and do you think your kids, either one of them or someone close to you will be like, I'd like to be like him, knowing everybody has faults, you know?
Speaker: Yeah, the neighbor next door who just died. um He had just had kind eyes and he was happy to talk to anybody. And he seemed like he had he was like a Renaissance man, could sing, build stuff and do did all kinds of things with his life. Like that's that's pretty cool.
Speaker: Yeah, he's fucking 90. I respect that. If you're not that way when you're in your 80s and 90s, you got really suck. you know Maybe, yeah. Yeah, I would say that about my grandpa. I would like to be like him. He was he was a kind soul ah I mean, there's something because that's the question to like people that we admire. so So a lot of people would admire, let's say, Jordan's competitive spirit spirit and drive to excellence and and the need to win. Same with like Kelly Slater in surfing. He's like a guy that people are like, what a fucking asshole. Does anybody know who he is?
Speaker: Maybe not on this podcast. I know a few people that know who who would know who he is on this podcast. he's ah He's the greatest. I've heard people say he's the greatest athlete of our time. he he competed He said competed until he's 50 years old and he's won 11 championships.
Speaker: But supposedly, like, you know, just a difficult person to be around. Same with, like, Lance Armstrong. Yeah. These people would drive for excellence at all costs. Like, they're probably not that great to be around, but a lot of people probably admire that.
Speaker: Uh, I admire, like I don't know why, but I admire like people that seem to me are like kind souls. Yeah. You know, which, I see that about you. If you can do that with, if you can do all the above, then great.
Speaker: You know, only Steve Kerr. Yeah, but he he I'm sure he must have been hyper competitive at some point in his life. Maybe not.
Speaker: Of course, of course, to play sports. He he was a dick. Actually, he will admit that. I think I've heard him say that. I don't want to talk about Steve Curry's. He's a nobody. But um who who are your models for kindness?
Speaker: Well, I'd say my grandpa. ah What did he do that made you say, wow, I want to be like that? gave out little butterscotches and shit? No, I just, I don't know. I like it's, it might have just been luck that he was the type of person that other people would just like have an easy time with like easy.
Speaker: It was easy. His relationships with anyone stranger or different, different walks of life where it was like, he had an easy time approaching people. They had an easy time talking to him. He, uh, you know, fairly modest man, had a good life, raised his family, volunteered when he got older.
Speaker: What do you think, and I'm being serious answer the question, what do you think he would think about like Trump, the trans debate, and things like that?
Speaker: As a kind old timer. I think someone like that, not just like a Democrat, but like people that age... ah From that time, because I mean, if he was alive, if our grandparents were alive, they'd be like in their hundreds now, probably.
Speaker: ah In their, whatever, 110. I think even those people would look at the new someone like Trump, but just the whole political scene, the whole scene of the world and and just see it as like a farce.
Speaker: Like, like ah I remember, i don't know I don't know why, but I remember my grandpa was pretty quick to to say, like, he he thought Mark McGuire was a phony. Like, who, and he was right.
Speaker: It turned out this guy was jacking a shitload of steroids and like, but he's just like, I don't, I don't, that guy, something about him makes me think he's a phony. And I'm sure like, he probably, someone like Trump, that whole generation might be like, who is this guy?
Speaker: You know? Yeah. Because back for those people, like left or right wasn't quite, I think, maybe maybe I'm wrong, wasn't quite as polarized. So it was like, whether you like you know maybe he didn't like Reagan in the eighty s because he was a Democrat, but it wasn't like this sham of a...
Speaker: of a of an you know a a like acting to get in and being a dick and winning at all costs that then like life didn't come with that it seemed like at that point in time or even sports it wasn't about like showing up your component even if you're competitive you know yeah so i don't know it's an unfair question no it's an unfair question because you threw the trans thing in well no it's a so you're answer that part of it though sorry since you asked like that someone that old would probably be like
Speaker: I don't get that. What the fuck are they talking about? Like, it's only recently been like sort of a normal thing or even something even consider at all. Like gender change and shit like that. I'm sure someone my grandpa's age would be like, what the hell you talking about?
Speaker: Yeah, that that that was like what I was going to say. At some point, the world leaves you behind. Yes. and you're of a certain generation. You're like, what the hell is going on? but but but But are you there yet? you feel like you're there? I don't think you're there yet. I might be.
Speaker: You're pretty set in your ways, but you are getting into the AI thing. And now they're coming back with a lot of like, you know, anti-doomstayers stuff, which is interesting. You probably see that in your podcast feed, but whatever. I'm not there, but I don't think I can last forever because, you know, as people start merging with technology, like truly like physically merging with technology, I'll just be a naysayer.
Speaker: I'm there like because it sounds it's like get off my lawn shit even to be like how the fuck are influencers making money and how are these people important? Yeah. But the reality is they are. And that's something I'll never ever understand and put any value on. I just can't.
Speaker: Right. And and like. Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm past that. But i'd like there's probably ah ah influencers that are admirable people you know or do good things. But I don't know. It's something need to think about. like who Who do I admire?
Speaker: It's not as simple as what? Admiring people? Influencing. influencing who who is who is Who would you admire in that space? They're just such salespeople. don't know. i don't know enough about it. like is there Is there people that have a cause?
Speaker: is it all just like... you know is the word Is the word tied to like a specific thing which is like... becoming a personality on online or is it tight? Like an influencer could actually influence.
Speaker: It's becoming a personality online to make money by selling products, essentially. i Maybe somebody who is influential in a specific realm, like overcoming addiction or something like that, like and they're not making any money off of that can be categorized as influencer.
Speaker: I doubt it. I think they're just like an educator. But an influencer specifically makes money off of showing products and trying to get people to buy them. that's like the that's kind of the definition i think so and some people are now like that's great right like that that is a marketing guy's plan is to is to get in bed with an influencer is like ah a new plan yeah and i think they have to be trans which i don't get either i don't get it either trans what what would steve kerr what do you think he thinks about trans
Speaker: I think he's probably a lot like me and he's like, what what the fuck are you worried about, people? Why are you talking about this? like the I still think it's amazing. Apparently, like the WNBA had some sort of trans issue.
Speaker: Somebody made a comment, one of the players, and then all these dumbasses on the right come out and they're just like, No women, no or excuse me, no men playing women's sports and they're coming out and protesting at the games. And just the energy behind that to me is still laughable.
Speaker: Like, no, but what are, trans people are, are fine there aren't that many first top, they're not doing shit. Would you just fucking get a life and leave these people alone?
Speaker: That's how I feel. What side of that, back to our original poem, what side of that is is derailing? like like I think your life goes off the rails if you are anti-trans. that's what i was setting you up for that. yeah yeah Yeah. And you are running around protesting for um something that statistically is so small.
Speaker: I think it's the weirdest thing. It's one of the... It's like the saddest. It's so sad that that's what your life is. Yes. You're pathetic. like It's like somebody who collected cabbage patch dolls or something. You're just a pathetic piece of shit. Or or you were somebody that like hyped up NFTs, the non-fungible token stuff, and then it all went to shit. You're just a loser. You're fucking loser. I can make... Yeah. But what... like Do you think... So we both are... kind with The first time in three years we agree...
Speaker: on something that but that the side of that that's more derailed in your life is people taking up those kind of causes but yeah what what do you i i bet you a lot of people think that the the someone turning trans or gender switching and stuff is a complete derailment of their life even like what we consider normal people I bet you a lot of people would would feel that's like, and I might even get in a situation like if my 13-year-old son, or he's 12 now, almost 13, came home and was like, I think I want to become a woman.
Speaker: I might freak out as a parent would freak out when you realize your kid's going off the rails. I think you would because it's it's a drastic change and I don't think that any of those things happen overnight. But I don't, I just, the people that feel that way, they probably need to work through understanding what's actually happening, like body dysmorphia and stuff like that that destroys people's lives if they don't.
Speaker: resolve it so it's more of like find some empathy and just like understand the issue and then just fucking go think about something else you might want to like protest the iran war maybe even uh what israel's doing to gaza i mean maybe maybe do that instead but i don't know if you're gonna get out there and and fight for a cause how about one that's uh worth the energy there's nothing funny about that
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