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The Amazing Spider-Man
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Podcaster and musician Kelen "B-Hyphen" Conley joins Perry for a double-feature! In their first movie, they watch The Amazing Spider-Man, a movie Kelen was prepared to eviscerate. But you know what they say about best-laid plans...
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If you're gonna steal cars, don't dress like a car thief, man. What are you? You a cop? Really? You seriously think I'm a cop? Cough in a skin-tight red and blue suit. You know, you're... You're... I've got a mind of the true scholar, sir. I always go more for one of the guys who do the luge. Good thinking. Good thinking. Keep the window. Get out the window. There you go. You got it.
00:02:07
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Is that a knife? Is that a real knife? Yes, it's a real knife. My weakness. It's small knives. Just let me go. Everything got knifed. Oh, it's so simple. That was cool, man. What the hell is this? Webbing that I developed myself. I don't think you really want to know right now. Come on, let me go. Take one, take one, take one. What the... Stop, get off, man. Come on, let me go. Stop it. Dude, that isn't funny. It is kind of funny, man. Come on, help.
00:02:43
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This could have gotten a lot worse. Now hold still. Oh! Is it blue here? Oh my god! Freeze! You and the tights don't move! Are you serious? Who are you? No one seems to grasp the concept of the mask. Freeze!
00:03:07
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I just did 80% of your job. Huh? That's how you repay me?
Introduction to Kellan Conley and Collaborations
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Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I'm your host Perry Constantine and I'm here today with an old friend of mine and a fellow podcaster and fellow geek and that is the Mr. B- himself, Kellan Conley. Kell, how are you doing today?
00:03:55
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I'm doing great, Perry. This has been a long time coming, man. You emailed me, what, 15 years ago? It could be on my Scrubs podcast. I never had a second episode. Yeah. And now here we are. I completely forgot about that. Way back in the day, we were both on LiveJournal. We talked about doing a Scrubs podcast. Never got around. You did one episode, and then that was it. One episode.
00:04:21
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And now, you know, Zach Braff and Donald Faison are doing their own scrubs podcast anyway. So there's no point. It's actually really good. I do enjoy listening to them reminisce and then cut on each other. It's a lot. Yeah, it is a lot of fun. I've really been enjoying. I haven't I haven't I'm way behind on some of my podcast shows, but I've got like a whole stack of episodes that I got to catch up on with that one.
00:04:45
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Yeah, same with me. If you don't stay with it every week, it can catch up on you very quickly. But it's nice to know that you have a stockpile. So it's like, you know what? I have a six hour drive. Let me just throw these on. And every time I go to my dad's, I got a two hour drive. So I knock out a lot of pods that way. Yeah, we got to make a Costco run, which is like, you know, four hours away from here. So round trips. I think I'll probably save them up for that.
00:05:11
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Um, I don't have a Costco. I don't know how far away the one, I guess Pittsburgh would be the closest one for me, but it's not four hours. That's only an hour for us. So. Wow. Um, anyway, we're talking about, I haven't asked, uh, people don't even know who you are. So, uh, give, give everybody a chance to get to know you.
Kellan's Podcasting and Music Ventures
00:05:28
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Well, I am a jack of all trades and a master of none is what I, I've just come to this realization. Uh, probably should have been an IT specialist, but I've been in a podcast game off and on, um, since about 2008, 2009, I've had, I had a couple of attempts there and then off and on with a few buddies I would record. And then 2016, I just decided I wanted to do my own solo podcast called hyphenation and just dived in foot first, feet first.
00:05:58
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so to speak, in almost the 200th episode. I've been on hiatus mainly because I got a little burned out recently, just because I actually ended up starting my own podcast network with a bunch of friends. And so I'm a guest on their shows and I'm part of
00:06:14
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helping with their shows and end up doing a wrestling show here in January that just wrapped its first season. So I was doing a lot of podcasts. So Hyphenation has been on break, but it's just me getting on there and just talking about whatever interests me for a little bit. So it might be about an old comic book. It might be about some movies with my semi-regular co-host Marcus Robinson. But we have a lot of fun. And I'm actually planning on finally sitting down this weekend and doing my episode about Derek because I've been putting it off
00:06:42
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And I realized that a lot of grief to deal with on that front more than I thought at first. So I think I'm really going to try to sit down and do something special for him because he was one of the biggest advocates of my show. Big surprise. So I'm definitely planning on doing that. But that's mostly what I do. And then I also record under the name be hyphen, got stuff on all the streaming services for my album from a few years back.
00:07:08
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working on some new music. And when I'm not doing that, I guess I'm trying to get my YouTube channel up and running. I keep watching all these videos. I haven't really done a soft launch, but I haven't really launched into the editing portion. So that's what I'm up to when I'm not being a dad and a father and working at my day job.
00:07:26
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Mm-hmm, yeah. Well, speaking of- A dad and a father. A dad and a father. Sorry, Angel. Speaking of Derek, you were actually, this is actually the second time you've actually been on the show because we had, when we had Tom DJ on to talk about Derek, we used the theme song that you recorded for Better in the Dark. And that was actually the second theme song you recorded for them, I believe.
00:07:52
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Yeah, I mean, I had enough theme songs where Tom emailed me one day, he's like, why don't you make an EP out of them? And I was like, well, I guess I should. So for years I had like this 15 song EP of all these better than dark things I did over different beats and stuff. But yeah, that was just a random whim. I was a big fan of Better Than Dark and I emailed the guys and I was like, hey, I decided to do this little song based off the podcast because I love it so much. Hope you like it. And like, we're gonna make this our theme song. I'm like, oh, okay.
00:08:22
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And then that's how I became the musical maestro of Better in the Dark, as I am known in those parts.
Nostalgia and Fanfiction Influences
00:08:29
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And you and I, well, you, me and Derek and Tom and all this, we go way back to the days of fan fiction. Yes, sir. Yes, sir, man. I miss the fanfic days, man. It's crazy because it was so new. It was the Wild West Internet.
00:08:47
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And we had, I started my own sites because Gary Drieslinski didn't like my pitches for Avengers 2000. Me and Gee are cool now. And I was almost starting my own site and that's how I met Eric Fromm and Clayton Tooley and TC and all them. So we started the anthology sites and
00:09:04
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Then I found out about Thomas and Derek and found out about Marvel 2000. And I was always, let me tell you right now, always so impressed by Marvel 2000, especially in the early days, because I know everybody had trouble doing issues and getting hidden deadlines and stuff like that.
00:09:20
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you guys amassed such a quick amount of material and like with you writing like the x-books and an eternal book like you were just turning things out like probably next to bias like i don't know anybody who writes as fast as you used to back in those days yeah yeah that was because i was lucky back in those days because i was in high school back when this all happened and i had like two that year that first year that we were doing those sites i had like two free periods
00:09:49
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every day. So, and also I had like, I also had this, I was also taking like a keyboarding class and I was so good in the, I finished all my work like in the first 10 minutes, first 15 minutes of class. And then I just had time to do whatever I wanted. So like, I would just constantly write stuff because of that.
00:10:07
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Oh, that's the secret. Okay. That's the secret. I was just confined to the evenings when I got to use a computer and stuff. So, um, and in some evenings I just dicked around on the internet. So what can you do, you know, but, um, it was crazy because we all had these characters we loved and we came together and then one of the heroes boards and
00:10:27
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the old Yahoo groups and stuff. We had our fights. We had our highs where we were all getting along. And we came up with some pretty creative stuff between all the sites that was out there. And I still swear that there are Marvel editors and DC editors who picked some of our stuff and eventually was like, okay, it's been a couple of years now.
Comic Criticisms and Industry Commentary
00:10:47
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Let's throw this little fanfic idea in here. And more and more in time, man. So I think we contributed in our own little way.
00:10:54
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I think so, yeah. It was definitely a fun time. It was an interesting time, too. Oh, absolutely. And it was because of that that I got to meet guys like you, guys like Tobias and Derek, obviously, as well. And a bunch of other people who are, some of them are still writing original fiction, some of them moved on to other stuff. But there are ones who you still keep in touch with here and there.
00:11:18
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I have more people that I'm still friends with on Facebook from fan fiction and any other walk of life I think, because I'm like, I can't get rid of Kel Carpenter friends to kill. Okay. Um, so anyway, I got a few pieces of news we're going to be talking about first thing is, um,
00:11:36
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Have you heard about the latest, I guess it was a slow news day at Fox and Dean Kane and Kevin Sorbo? Did you hear about this thing with Captain America? No. What happened? Oh, God. OK, so every every like five years or so, Fox News has a slow news day or they can't find enough to get outraged about. So they go to comic books and they find something in comic books to get outraged about. And so
00:12:03
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So there was a, there's a new comic book out by Marvel called the United States of Captain America, and it's by Christopher Cantwell and Dale Eaglesham. And it's basically the whole concept is that
00:12:16
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you know, Steve Rogers is going across America and he's meeting these other, he finds out that there are these other characters, these other guys who are taking up the name Captain America. And you know, they're coming from all different walks of life and all that. And it's kind of like, you know, their own reflection of what America is and all that kind of stuff. So I haven't read it yet, but I, yeah, I haven't read it yet, but I hear it's pretty good.
00:12:37
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Anyway, the first issue, it opens with Steve Rogers reflecting on the fact that, you know, he's often noted, which he's done in the comic books many times, that he stands for the American dream and not the American government.
00:12:52
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And he's away for that reason. Yeah. Yeah. And he says that the American dream is misunderstood and it's too easily turned into nationalism. And when that happens, it becomes a lie. And because the dreams often exclude many different people and, you know, just the very kind of.
00:13:09
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stuff that Captain America comic books have been talking about since 1941. Since its inception. Yeah and so Fox News got really pissed off about this or you know pretended to get really pissed off about it and so then they had um then they had Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo coming on to talk about how you know they're sick of all this wokeness in comic books and
00:13:32
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Dean Kane and Sorbo, was there a panelist? Yeah. Well, I think it was two different segments, but, you know, it's like, you know, from the, you know, I'm waiting for the, Gail Simone had this thing, you know, tweet out your favorite Dean Kane film, imaginary Dean Kane film. And my was Kane B Sorbo, Dawn of, you know, why won't anyone call us?
00:13:56
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Dawn, I'm not getting that call back. Yeah. Oh, man. And the funny thing is, though, someone asked Kane on Twitter, you know, everyone was dunking on both of these guys because it's clear that they never they didn't even read the book. And and Dean can't even admit it. He's like, oh, I never read the issue, but I stand by everything I said. There you go, Dean. Oh, oh, that's Superman for you, man. He's stands for something. Well,
00:14:25
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It's funny, I was seeing a lot of people on Twitter and just, and it's just like, you see the Dean Kay and how he just clearly doesn't understand Superman or Captain America, which explains why his Superman was so terrible in the first place. Yes. I would never fan a Lois and Clark like that. He was a good Clark Kent, I'll give him that, but his Superman, you could have taken all those scenes of him with Superman, put in a cardboard cutout and nobody would know the difference. You're not wrong.
00:14:53
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And that's the worst part. People were literally watching to see Superman. And then it's like, oh. And he appears like, he appears like five minutes in every episode and that's it. Yeah. And that's it. And then it's back to the dramedy. Yeah. The weird, um, the weird like nighttime soap thing. And that was, that was such a weird cheesy show. Never caught my attention. I tried. I was like, I gotta check out the Superman show. And then I was like, no, I don't. Yeah. I liked it when I was a kid back when it, when it was on the air and I was, I think I was in elementary school at that time. And then, um,
00:15:24
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when a few years back, back when Netflix first started up and they had the DVD system. Yes. And they had Lois and Clark on there. So I'm like, oh, I'm going to rewatch Lois and Clark. This is going to be great. And I started watching the first season. I'm like, oh my God, this is, I remember the last season being terrible, but I didn't realize how terrible the first season was either. Oh man.
00:15:47
Speaker
Yeah. The only reason I would peek in on Lois and Clark was Terry Hatcher. Terry Hatcher, yeah. That was it. I'd be like, let me see what Terry Hatcher's up to. And then she got that weird haircut. And then I kind of checked out after that. John Shea was also pretty good as Lex Luthor in that first season. He was a very good Luthor. I did enjoy his performances. Yeah. That was probably the only real thing about the first season that really kind of stands the test of time is his Luthor.
00:16:12
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Hey, you either Luther it or you don't got it. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like Smallville in that way, too, because Smallville, the best thing about it was Michael Rosenbaum is Lex Luthor. Yeah, I did stay with Smallville way longer than I thought I would, though. I stayed all the way. I Derek and I talked about this back when we did the crisis episode, but by the end of Smallville, I was hate watching it.
00:16:33
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See, I've never, never got to that point. Um, I think I made it to like season six or seven, I believe. Cause when something crashed and, and it was definitely after you introduced, um, Lois and stuff, but that's the last I remember. I haven't looked, I have not looked at it since. Yeah. Um, they have, they have
Future of Iconic Roles: Harley Quinn and Spider-Man
00:16:51
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it on Hulu. And so I, I'd been, I, I had the whole thing. Yeah. There there's 10 seasons of your life gone now.
00:17:00
Speaker
I had it um I had it on in the background as I was doing other stuff actually but that's that's what you use it for it's like let me just small bills a great do something else yeah yeah and that's okay yeah it's okay they get the view and uh we get to do something else so works for both parties okay um so anything next thing here is uh margo robie was uh interviewed about the suicide squad and um
00:17:23
Speaker
Well, first thing she said, she was asked what she thought about Zack Snyder killing Harley Quinn in his Justice League cut. And then she's like, oh, I didn't even know that. So she looks like she didn't watch the Snyder cut.
00:17:36
Speaker
She's a very busy lady. So I understand she didn't have four hours. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, she said that she's gonna be taking a break from Harley Quinn because it was like back-to-back filming between Birds of Prey and then the Suicide Squad. But she's like, well, I need a break from Harley. She's like, it's exhausting. But she also says that she doesn't know when the next time we're gonna see her is. So it looks like at the moment there's no real future plans for Harley right now.
00:18:04
Speaker
Um, I mean, we, we've gotten three movies with Harley so far and easily her portrayal of Harley is, is the best in all three of those movies. So I have no problem with Margot's work there or her portrayal of Harley. So if she wants to take a break and pursue other projects and things like that, that's perfectly fine. As long as DC doesn't try to pull like the rug from under her, but maybe nuts to do that at this point. So.
00:18:27
Speaker
Um, it'll be fun, especially because I feel like with the Snyder Cut coming out and kind of with Black Adam just finished rapping and everything and with the pandemic slowly, slowly people kind of ending.
00:18:42
Speaker
I kind of feel like the DCEU has a chance to really reestablish its footing with the snotter cut, even on the heels of Wonder Woman 1984, where a lot of people were split on that film. So it's a good time for DC to really try to establish some other characters and see what they can build on their own, because Marvel's in the beginning stages of phase four. So why not take a shot with some other characters the next couple of years before you go back to the Harley trough?
00:19:10
Speaker
Yeah. And it looks like they're going to be doing that with the Flash movie because they're bringing in the new Supergirl in that. And there are rumors about other characters that are becoming into. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of rumors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, they got the new Shazam movie that's in production now as well.
00:19:34
Speaker
They're talking about doing a new Constantine movie. We'll see how that looks out there. Oh, nice. They going to bring back Keanu? They should. No. Well, there was actually a rumor. There was actually talk about that at one point about doing a sequel to the Keanu movie. But apparently, last I heard, I don't know if this is still the case, but last I heard, they were looking to bring in
00:19:57
Speaker
bringing an actor of color to play, uh, play John Constantine. Well, then I'm all for that. Yeah. That was the last thing I heard. Although I just, I really want to see, um, what's his name, uh, come back. What's his name? The guy who plays it on the TV show. Cause like that's. Oh yeah. I know you're talking about, I can't think of his name. Matt Ryan. I think, I think it's Matt Ryan. I always get his last name wrong, but, but I think it's Matt Ryan. Um, but he's, I think he's just like, I, and I mentioned this many times, but he's like the perfect John Constantine. So.
00:20:25
Speaker
I have seen it. I have seen that a couple of times. And I do think he does a great job in that role. So I'm OK with that. Next thing is, looks like Zendaya was asked about. Matt Ryan, you're right. Yeah, Matt Ryan. OK, good. So Zendaya was asked about Spider-Man, No Way Home. And apparently, she says that it's kind of bittersweet because we don't know if we're going to do another one. She says, is it just going to be three and done?
00:20:53
Speaker
I guess they haven't had any plans after that so far. That's something that we're going to touch on tonight, I'm sure, as we dwell into the Amazing Spider-Man. The first trilogy only got three. Spider-Man 4, infamously, got canceled. And then The Amazing Spider-Man never got the third movie, of course. And they rebooted and went to the MCU version of Tom Holland and things like that. And plus, the whole Sony Marvel Studios thing is always in delicate balance, too. Yeah.
00:21:22
Speaker
It might be the last time that we see them. Now you would think, oh, easily they'll come back and do more movies and stuff, but just like Margot, like actors don't want to keep going the same roles over and over. So it's entirely possible that it might be the last time we see this original cast together. Yeah, yeah. And also with all the rumors about No Way Home being like a Spider-Verse movie, this could be like a good send off for the cast anyway.
00:21:48
Speaker
I mean, if you're going to, if you're going to go out of bang and if they pull it off, like I'm hoping they do, and I'm really going to try not to watch any trailers or anything. And I don't want to know anything. So I walk in that theater in December, knock on wood. If they pull it off, like all these rumors are saying.
00:22:07
Speaker
Obviously, for me, it's going to be one of the best cinemas experiences for me. But it could be huge. And you might not have to go back to that well, because who knows what they'll be able to spin off of this that wouldn't even involve Holland or Zendaya in the future. Right. I think if anything, Marvel would probably keep Holland around. If anything, they might work out some deal with Sony where
00:22:31
Speaker
they can still use Spider-Man in their movies because I think they would want to, cause Holland seems really committed to the role. I think so too. He gets a lot of fun playing Spider-Man and that's something he brings to the table. Like even from civil war all the way through, far from home, you can tell this dude really loves playing Peter Parker and loves playing Spider-Man and not to take anything away from Toby or Andrew, but it just really comes through in his performance. Yeah, absolutely.
00:22:59
Speaker
Well, I think that's a pretty good segue to the movie we're talking about, and that is The Amazing Spider-Man, directed by Mark Webb, and this was the first Spider-Man reboot we got.
The Amazing Spider-Man: Reboots and Reactions
00:23:11
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2012. 2012, yeah, same year as The Avengers, actually. Yes, yes, it was. In fact, originally, there was...
00:23:19
Speaker
When they were designing the digital cityscapes for Avengers to be used in the CGI, the Battle of New York, they were talking with Sony about putting the Oscorp building in there as well, the one from Amazing Spider-Man, linking them together. So there was a possibility of Andrew Garfield playing Spider-Man in the MCU at one point. I know that was a big rumor, yeah. Yeah, but they were in talks and everything.
00:23:42
Speaker
Yeah, but apparently I can't remember exactly what happened, but I guess the timing was off like they couldn't get the designs of the Oscorp building weren't finished in time to have them added to the New York Cityscape and Avengers or something along those lines. But that was like the most that was going to happen was just like that little that little Easter egg type of thing.
00:24:02
Speaker
which would have been very cool. And this is something to give the fans some talk about, of course, because I don't think they were Marvel or Sony was ready to be on the level that they are now at that point, especially with them freshly rebooting. Good old Pete. So I remember when this movie was announced and when like the first trailer came out and everything, I remember
00:24:24
Speaker
The fan community was very angry about it, if you recall, if you remember, because I remember everybody saying, commenting about Andrew Garfield and the whole rumor was that the whole big fear was that they're going to make Spider-Man like Twilight.
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, that was that was a huge fear. I mean, we were fresh. I mean, hell, I think the Twilight movies are still coming out at this. Yeah. So the idea that Sony would pivot and make Andrew that guy and kind of and kind of maybe mess with the mythology and everything like that. I think that was a real a real fear. Oh, yeah. For fans. But fanboys overreact about everything, of course. Yeah.
00:25:08
Speaker
I mean, I still remember the organic web shooter thing and now I kind of, it kind of makes more sense for him to be organic at times. So I get it. But obviously it was unfounded thankfully. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, what were your original thoughts when you saw this movie?
00:25:27
Speaker
So I tried to go see this movie. I tried to do a double feature. So I was like, all right, I'm gonna go see this. I'm gonna go see Dark Knight Rises same day. The day I went was when my local movie theater decided they were going to pull Amazing Spider Man. So I ended up just getting to watch Dark Knight Rises. And we're not here to talk about that. I finally sat down and watched it and
00:25:49
Speaker
I did like the movie. I still do enjoy the movie there's a lot of things in this movie that I feel is right. I'm a lot of cool ideas that I get introduced. They don't always get executed. So let's extend of course a lot of it was world building.
00:26:07
Speaker
But at the same time, I do enjoy this movie. And I'll talk about the parts I don't like either. But as a whole, I thought they pulled off a nice introduction to Spider-Man again, even though we were only, gosh, five years away from Spider-Man 3.
00:26:26
Speaker
Right. I think that was the one of the biggest weaknesses for me was like even like I mean, I got to say I loved Martin Sheen as Uncle Ben. I thought he was I actually liked him better than Cliff Robertson. I thought he was he was such a because Cliff Robertson was great. You know, don't get me wrong. But Martin Sheen just felt more real, I think as he did. He brought more gravitas. Yeah. Yeah. And Cliff Robertson felt more like the
00:26:55
Speaker
What's a good way to put it? It felt more like Peter's memory of it, right? The idealized memory of Uncle Ben, whereas, and with, cause like you had that one scene where they caught, where him and Toby, they kind of fight where he says, I know I'm not your father and Peter yells and we'll stop pretending to be. And Ben just takes, and Cliff Robertson just takes it all in stride and you never see him get angry or anything like that. You just completely, he's like 100%, you know, always in the right and,
00:27:22
Speaker
Whereas Martin Sheen, you see him get angry at Peter and you get the feeling for their relationship. And it feels like a real relationship. And I really like that about that, about what they did with that. Yeah, because Raimi was so quick to, I mean, obviously had to in the first movie, but Raimi was so quick to kill Uncle Ben that we didn't get that same, that same building that we got in Amazing Spider-Man 1.
00:27:48
Speaker
And I guess that's a credit to Mark Webb, but then also Spider-Man 1, I mean, the main point was we got to get Ben dead. You got to show them, you got to make your audience like them, and then we got to get out. And they successfully captured that. But they brought a little bit more meat to Uncle Ben. Yeah. And well, that was the downside is what I'm getting to here, because the scene when Uncle Ben dies, like that scene just felt very much like, OK, we got to get this over with. Let's just do it.
00:28:18
Speaker
It's just like the whole timing of it. Like, you know, Peter's here in this store and then the guy runs out and then he runs into Ben and it's just like, it felt very, all very convenient.
00:28:28
Speaker
Yes, definitely let's move the plot along and get to Peter grieving, which is which actually is something I thought that Andrew did better than Toby was really showing that grief over Ben and stuff. So I did feel rushed, but I definitely feel like Andrew painted the detail that he needed to.
00:28:49
Speaker
Yes, yeah, absolutely. So that was the biggest weakness is just the whole going over the origin story again. And even with the whole stuff about, you know, I remember one of the big things they were talking about in the lead up to this movie was how we're going to put more focus on on his parents and Richard Parker and all that. But even still, like, even though there was a little bit of that, it wasn't as much of a focus as they made us think it would be.
00:29:14
Speaker
No, because obviously after watching both movies again, it was all kind of culminating for three to be the big one where they really bring in Richard and Mary and really tell their story aside from these little snippets that we got.
00:29:30
Speaker
right so um they we did get more may and then then we then we might have actually seen if we had gotten the third movie so i agree and it's a little disappointing because the only thing the comics ever gave us was the oh these are your fake parents gotcha with uh harry's stupid video that stupid images is
00:29:53
Speaker
etched in my head and I don't think the idea of it was stupid and execution it's just to think that Harry was that low to do that to Peter and then Peter was already going through enough stuff in the comics at the time so I'm not a big fan of that. Well the whole thing about them being shield agents like that was all I always felt like that's just I mean the whole thing about Peter Parker is he's supposed to be this every man and I think it detracts from it when your your parents died on a mission for Nick Fury fighting the communist Red Skull.
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah, they they were really just throwing things at the wall to try to get to the clone saga, though. Yeah. So it was like, let's do this. And then we got the clone saga coming. That's going to be great. And then and yes. And they had a kind of a similar problem with the ultimate comics. They started to do a better job of it, where they made Richard Parker was just a scientist. But then they had to have him involved in like the creation of mutants and all that. And I'm just like, yeah, too much like
00:30:47
Speaker
So many. Yeah. And that and that has to do with, again, Bendis. I mean, again, Bendis, that has to do with Brian Michael Bendis because he was in charge and he had a lot to do with the early ultimate universe. So everything was spawning from either was spawning from amazing from Ultimate Spider-Man. Yeah. Yeah. He found a reason for everything. Kind of like when John Burns had a idea of coming in doing Chapter one.
00:31:12
Speaker
Everything has to come from Spider-Man. We have to connect these things. And then people's like, this is trash. We don't want this. So. I still, I still remember like the whole contrived explanation for how he brought back Aunt May and that.
00:31:26
Speaker
Oh, God. She was played by an actress.
Emotional Depth in Spider-Man Stories
00:31:29
Speaker
Yeah. And Norman had Mae, had Mae kidnapped and like he had her captive for all that time since 1994, I think is when made 94, 95, something like that. Yeah. And then suddenly in 1998, it's like, here's Mae. I'm fine, Peter. Here's some wheat cakes.
00:31:48
Speaker
And it was, it was one of the, it was one of the greatest death scenes in comics too, like that. It's gorgeous. Yeah. I, I, I recently, they had, you know, they got these trades of the whole, the complete clone saga, which is like six. I got one right there. It would take me a few minutes. Um, but yeah, so I just, I bought them on one of the comicsology sales. And so, so I went right through the whole thing and, you know, it's like,
00:32:12
Speaker
meandering here and there and there's a lot of like navel gazing but that that issue with that may, though, that is such a standout issue. It really is. Have you played the Spiderman PS4 game? Oh, of course. Yeah, I played both that one and the Miles Morales one.
00:32:27
Speaker
Yeah, so that ending with Mae, I know the game's two years old, spoilers, but when she says to Peter after he comes back and it's either save her life or make the serum that's gonna save everybody out of what he got from Doc Ock. And she's like, I wanna see your face and everything. The first time, because I watched it on YouTube for actually at the game, and I was tears sitting there trying to make that decision and everything. That was done so well. So that- That game was amazing.
00:32:55
Speaker
Yeah, that game is amazing and that's the only other reveal of May knowing that was as well done. Because I like JMS's when he revealed it and May was still living during his run and she found out and then she was mad at him and writing J. Jonah Jameson letters about how he covers Spider-Man and stuff. That was real cute, but one of the emotional beats, nothing beats 400 or PS4 Spider-Man. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:33:21
Speaker
Well, I also like how they handled it in the MCU movies too, where she just walks in up in the edge like, what the fuck? That works too, yes. Which actually that was, it was kind of like the JMS reveal because she just kind of like walks in on him. Whereas in the JMS one, she found him sleeping and his costume was on the floor. Yeah, he would beat the hell up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so back to this movie, another big weakness is just the,
00:33:49
Speaker
The villains in both these movies are just so kind of shoehorned in. The villain plots don't really feel like the big focus of these movies. No. And again, you could just tell they were going to tell a bigger overarching story. Yeah. We didn't even really get Norman other than Norman dying and saying stuff to Harry very briefly. Which I got a lot more to say about that when we talk about Amazing Spider-Man 2.
00:34:18
Speaker
Oh, please, please do. But what made it even worse for me is because Ramey was building the lizard story, like all three movies, and then lizard was supposed to be in four, I believe. I think he was originally, I think he originally wanted him in three, but then the studio said no. The studio said Venom. Right, exactly, yeah.
00:34:40
Speaker
So he had laid all these seeds and we're just waiting to see Kurt Connors have become the lizard. And then we didn't get it. And then it's like, okay, well, we're going to reboot it, but we're still going to give them the lizard. And then we get this lizard. And I don't, I don't want to take anything away from the man. I thought, yeah, Kurt, the Kurt scenes were fine, but I hated that portrayal of the lizard. I know it was CGI and everything, but it really just felt like,
00:35:06
Speaker
giant monster and it's like that's not my lizard i need a lizard but like like i hate i'm gonna squish your hair
00:35:15
Speaker
Connors is dead. That's that's my lizard, you know, and we would have gotten that with Ramey. So and so it definitely felt shoehorned in because the major story was, again, a lot of time was played on the origin this time out. And and then it was a lot of a lot of Peter and
00:35:38
Speaker
Oh my God. A lot of Peter and Gwen. I kept going to say Liz. That's upcoming, Kelly. A lot of Peter and Gwen. So, and I appreciated those things, but the villain just felt like an afterthought. Oh, and it was also a way to kill Captain Stacy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:57
Speaker
Yeah, Reece Evans, he was okay. He felt a little bit too aloof as Connors, I thought. That was the biggest thing. Whereas Dylan Baker played Connors perfectly. He looked like he stepped right out of the comics.
00:36:14
Speaker
because Peter and Connors are friends is exactly yeah colleagues Connors respected the hell out of Peter like like I could literally see them being on campus together every single day and just kicking it and stuff and you didn't get that feeling from this yeah yeah um but I do think it was smart to tie Connors into the origin I think that was uh I think if you're gonna if you're gonna have a villain come out of Peter's origin then
00:36:37
Speaker
you know, the obvious one is the Green Goblin, which they did obviously in kind of in this one and, you know, in the, in the Ultimate Comics as well. But Connor's probably more than any makes perfect sense. And there's like such an easy way to link them together. He's already, you know, Peter's mentor and all that. And, you know, he's already doing experiments with, you know, cross species, you know, mutations and all that. So he is like the perfect character to have as,
00:37:05
Speaker
the antagonist and like the way to get into how Peter gets bitten by the spider. We just should have gotten more of an antagonist is the only time I have. Yeah. And we also don't get any of his family in this either. Like there's no mention at all of his wife or his son.
00:37:22
Speaker
I think it's good we didn't get Billy because uh this is like right after they did Billy Dirty in the comic books when uh Billy got uh snot or got a lizard so they probably like let's just leave Billy out of it.
00:37:37
Speaker
I was reading Brand New Day at the Tom. And when I got to that lizard issue, great issue, by the way. And I will say there's a lot of good material in Brand New Day. Hated how we got there, but there's a lot of cool stuff. When that issue happened, I was so shook. I just put the comic book down, man. I was like, all right, I'm done reading for a while. It was a lot. Yeah. I mean, I know a lot of people give him shit, but I really like the slots around on the Spidey books.
00:38:04
Speaker
Yeah, I don't have, I didn't have too many major issues with it either. Like I think he was
Generational Influence of Spider-Man
00:38:09
Speaker
there for forever. So of course you're going to get a lot of stuff that didn't work or things that didn't get picked up. He didn't expect to write Spider-Man for 10 plus years or anything like that. Well, I mean, in these, you know, the way comics are these days, like nobody lasts on a book that long anymore. I mean, I got to give it to the guy just for that alone for committing to it for that long.
00:38:29
Speaker
So I don't I think it gets a bad rap and honestly like you can't say superior Spider-Man isn't some of the best Spider-Man. Oh my god I you know what that last 25 years. That was probably the biggest biggest example of me eating crow in like the past 20 years because I was so pissed when that was announced and then
00:38:50
Speaker
And then like, you know, a few months went by and some people were, I think it was very recent actually saying like, no, this is actually a pretty good comic. And then I'm like, all right, fine. And I'm like, I'm going to read it and I'm going to hate it. And then I'm like, oh, my God, this is actually really good.
00:39:02
Speaker
Oh my God. Yeah. Like the thing was it happened in 600, I think 600, 700 when they switched bodies. Yeah. And you were thinking, okay, this is a temporary thing to launch a new title. Another Marvel gimmick. They stuck with it for 30 issues with all the tight ends and everything. And slot really went wild on that. And he did a great job. So yeah.
00:39:26
Speaker
I love Superior. That was a magical time for the Spider, because you had Superior and then you had Chris Yost doing Scarlet Spider with Kane, which was another one I expected to hate, because I'm like, if you're going to bring back Scarlet Spider, you got to bring back Ben. Bring back Ben. Bring back Ben. But that was also one where I'm like, damn, you know, and those two comics, they taught me, you know what? I'm not going to say anything until I actually read the book now.
00:39:53
Speaker
Right. Mm hmm. And that's how I've been, too, because I mean, I don't nearly read as many comics as I used to. But I'm like, let me give it a try first before I crap all over it, because that's normally my go to. It's like, oh, that sounds awful. Mm hmm. Yeah. But oh, I've read so much. Comicsology, man, those sales. Oh, they'll get you. I got like I got a stack of I got like, you know, a few hundred graphic novels that I haven't gotten to yet.
00:40:18
Speaker
Same name. It's the way of life. And you have a baby girl now, man. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So I know everything that I used to like to do on the side and stuff. Yeah. I'm lucky to do this. Like mine's upstairs right now. And she's going to creep down here when it's bedtime to say goodnight. So I feel you. Yeah. But I'm looking forward to her getting a little bit older so I can start sharing some of them with her.
00:40:43
Speaker
Oh yeah. I've read the kid who collected Spider-Man tour probably within the last year or so. Oh, nice. She's like, why Spider-Man so sad? I had to tell her. I mean, she's seven, so she kind of grabs the concepts, everything. But yeah, I read that tour. I was like, this is one of my favorite Spider-Man stories. I'm kind of getting her into stuff right now because I'll be putting on, because she's six months, so she likes bright colors and all that. So I'll put on some of the animated shows.
00:41:13
Speaker
And she'll sit there and she'll stare at the screen with me. That counts. Yeah, that counts. We're getting her hooked into it already. Absolutely. Anyway, but the strongest thing about this movie was definitely the cast and got to talk about Andrew Garfield then because
00:41:33
Speaker
You know, the thing about Andrew Garfield, and I said this before, Tobey Maguire was a great Peter Parker, and he was a not so great as Spider-Man. Andrew Garfield was the opposite. He was great as Spider-Man, not so much as Peter Parker. And then Tom Holland was the first actor who managed to do both. Who does both?
00:41:54
Speaker
Garfield's, and honestly, I still like Garfield Spider-Man a little bit better only because he portrays an older Peter than Holland. That is the Spider-Man that I've read my whole life. The quips, the action, like the
00:42:10
Speaker
the way everything, again, the gravitas that he brought to Spider-Man was just pitch perfect. It's like he put on that mask and he was Spider-Man, you know? And like, even when the guy, like he's webbing the dude to the wall and to the car when he's trying to break in and stuff like that, that's just funny. And it's played for laughs and he pulls it off. It doesn't come off as corny. Yeah. Toby didn't get those scenes because Toby couldn't do those scenes. So we had a couple, but he did not have on the level of Garfield.
00:42:39
Speaker
Toby, and I think part of it too, cause like, Ramey's great, don't get me wrong, but his writing does veer a little too close to the cheesy side, which works when you're doing like, you know, Evil Dead or Army of Darkness or Drag Me to Hell, but it makes it feel forced when you're doing it with Spider-Man.
00:42:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it sure does. And I love the rainy films, man. But there was a lot of corny stuff, especially in three of yours. Dancing Spider-Man, we will never forget. Give me a cookie. Give me a cookie when he's on the phone and stuff like that. And I thought it was funny, but it was a little bit like... It was funny, but not in the way it was intended to be funny. Right. That's not the suit influencing him. He just decided to be a jerk. Yeah. So that's all that really was.
00:43:29
Speaker
But Garfield is just pitch perfect as Spider-Man. And if I get the chance to see him again in the Spider-Man role, I am very excited for that. Yeah. Another thing I like too is just his appearance. Because he is how I imagine Spider-Man should be. Spider-Man, he's tall, he's thin, he's lanky. And you believe that Andrew Garfield can twist his body in all these different Spider-Man poses.
00:43:55
Speaker
He's Romita, John Romita's Spider-Man will come to life is what it is, because once Romita started drawing it, like, that's exactly how Peter looked, Serco, what, SU39 whenever he took over and stuff like that. So, and no, I don't know why these numbers are coming to me. But that's exactly how John Romita drew him all those years. So he's a perfect representation for what Peter looks like. Now, is he the perfect representation for how Peter should act
00:44:24
Speaker
No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No.
00:44:27
Speaker
And I, one of the, one of my favorite moments in this movie is when he's fighting the lizard in the school and he's, and he's webbing him up and he's crawling around him. Like that is such a comic book moment right there. When I saw that, I'm like, holy shit, that is amazing. That was incredible. Yeah, that was, that was, and that, and that's the, that goes to the cinematographers and everything like that to think, to get that angle and even with the CG or whatever, how much, ever much that was CG.
00:44:56
Speaker
Well, that's the amazing thing is that they used Mark Webb used as many practical effects and stuntmen as possible. Like, yeah, the he built like huge rigs in New York City to have those web slinging scenes. Yes, he did. So I mean, and so I mean, credit to him for being it. So I'm not sure how much obviously you had the lizard in there, which was CGI. So but I'm not sure how much of that was a stuntman or even Garfield actually doing those movements. But however they did that, it looked amazing.
00:45:24
Speaker
Yeah, they did a great job on all the web swinging stuff. The costume grew on me. It's not my favorite costume. The second film's costume is, that's again spot on. The only difference is the spider on the back and I love that insignia that they use for the films. So they really did go to all the aspects of Spider-Man where with Toby, we were literally getting him
00:45:52
Speaker
swinging one arm through the city and stuff and he would he get his uh spider sense scenes like the razor bat scene comes to mind in the first one um but but Toby got her answer got to do a lot of cool shit he did yeah and and we got like when he that that subway scene right when he um when he first gets the like the way he moves in that that was just
00:46:14
Speaker
I don't think Toby ever got a scene like that. So we get to see, you actually, you really feel that the guy in the mask is the same guy out of the mask. Right. And like watching him, once he knows nobody's watching him and stuff and watch him be able to use his powers and stuff like that. It's exactly how Peter used to do it in the comics.
Costume Influences in the MCU
00:46:34
Speaker
So. Yeah. Yeah. Spot on. Yeah. And they also pulled a lot from the ultimate books in this. Like this was like,
00:46:41
Speaker
I think more than any other any other Marvel movie that's come out, this has the most influence of the ultimate books because you got, you know, Richard being a scientist you got the whole Oscorp connection.
00:46:54
Speaker
just like his relation, Aunt May and Uncle Ben being younger. And all of that just like comes straight out of the ultimate books. And I thought they did a really good job picking and choosing those different elements. Even like Flash Thompson, because the whole thing is like in the ultimate books, Flash was a basketball guy, whereas in the comics, he was a football guy. Again, they took that right from the comics.
00:47:15
Speaker
Yeah and um like the even the scene where where Peter is bullying Flash and stuff like I don't think Flash did this in the in the comics but like it's right after Ben died and stuff and Peter's ready to knock his block off so to speak and then Flash's like hey I'm sorry about your dad and stuff like that that was a great scene but um
00:47:36
Speaker
again that was something a lot of people were complaining about too was the ultimate the ultimate influence on the films because like we don't we don't want the ultimate version we want the classic and then you had to beat the ultimate people saying they wanted the ultimate version of the classic version so them being able to kind of pick the certain pieces they wanted um was probably pretty cool because this is really the first time we saw that blended blended origin on the screen like that because you had you had a few things in uh ramey's films that were ultimate based but but not very much it was really
00:48:04
Speaker
really all about the 616 with them. Right. And despite everybody saying that Avengers was influenced by the Ultimate, basically the only thing is really kind of like the costuming and that's about it.
00:48:15
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I remember that too. And that was a thing too, was a lot of people were thinking, we're going to get the Ultimates. And I wonder how much that Marvel will decide to pivot away from, because the costumes are definitely ultimate influence. But now we got freaking classic costume Loki showing up.
00:48:38
Speaker
in the local series. So it's like anything goes now. I mean, Vision and Wanda run around their old outfits. So they... We got Frogthor. Frogthor, yes. Spoilers to anybody when I watch, but yeah. Speaking of, have you seen Black Widow yet? I just watched it last night. Yes, I did.
00:48:55
Speaker
I saw it, I got the Premier Access on Disney Plus because it costs, for me and my wife, it will cost 40 bucks for us to go see it in the theater. So we can discount and watch it at home. And I'm not sure how much that, how long that Premier Access lasts for, but you know, we got it on Friday night and it's still available when I was watching stuff last night. We've bought a couple of things off there and once you buy it, it's yours. Oh, really nice. It'll be on there the whole, it won't go anywhere. Oh, sweet. So as long as they get on D Plus, you're good to go.
00:49:21
Speaker
I mean, that is such a good deal. I thought it was just like a, like a 24 hour deal or something.
Black Widow Impressions and Character Analysis
00:49:26
Speaker
No, no. That's cool. Thing about Disney is like, they're more expensive to get it, but you're not running it. You're actually, you get the movie through the app as a thing. So we did like Raya that way. And we did a Mulan like that. And we had access to it from then on out. That's good. Yeah. Cause I remember.
00:49:41
Speaker
What was that? Wait, whatever you want. Yeah, because I was I was thinking I got to watch it again because, you know, I don't know how long it's been. I can watch it anytime I want. That's awesome. But yeah, I loved it. It was I was a little bit the Taskmaster stuff. You know, I had some you know, I missed the Taskmaster from the comics, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. But overall, I really enjoyed it.
00:50:00
Speaker
It was a very cool iteration and like I came out of the movie and I always want to do this thing with especially the Marvel movies I want to start analyzing stuff and what's this I was like I don't have to do this is this movie because this movie sits right between Civil War and sits right between Infinity War.
00:50:18
Speaker
And I don't have to overthink too much. I can literally just think about if I liked it or not and enjoyed the scenes and what they and what they did. And I was like, I actually just really like the movie. Yeah. I don't need to sit here and break down this performance or what this line meant and everything. They just made it. They made a good ass black move. Yeah. Yeah. A little bittersweet that it was Scarlett Johansson's last outing. But like I was half expecting spoilers for anybody who's watching. But that scene at the end when Yelena does the whistle, I was half expecting
00:50:49
Speaker
Yeah, it was like, like to hear a whistle coming from from side and then like just cut to black or something. Or I thought maybe it'd be Hawkeye who was whistling. Oh, like Hawkeye would have known about Yelena at that point. Yeah, yeah. So I was thinking maybe Hawkeye was going to meet her and then we got him in a different, different sense. And then we got a Julie Louis Dreyfus back though, which she is so good as the Contessa. I'm so looking forward to seeing more of her.
00:51:13
Speaker
Yes, I am. I agree. I'm going to need more money. I have a ton of cash now. It was so great. Anyway, back to Amazing Spider-Man. You know what the thing about Andrew's Peter Parker is
00:51:27
Speaker
I, the thing with Tom Holland's Peter Parker, right? You get the sense he is, he's such obviously a nerd, right? He's, and you can see why he's got this, you know, and Tobey Maguire too, you know, he's, you know, he's this clumsy nerd. They both pull off those things. Andrew's Peter Parker feels more like an outcast by choice.
00:51:49
Speaker
Right. He's anti-social. Yeah, it does. Because like there's that scene when Flash is bullying the kid and he's saying, hey, Parker, take the picture, take the picture. You get the sense that, you know, Pete and Flash could be friends if Pete wanted to be. Yeah.
00:52:05
Speaker
Yeah. And that's always been my thing was I was just always like, he's too cool to be Peter Parker. Like he's too cool. Like he's skateboard. Peter Parker wouldn't be able to skateboard. He wouldn't be doing that. And obviously that was my take in 2012. And now it's like, what's the big deal? He's skateboards.
00:52:20
Speaker
Well, actually, I think that was a that was a reference to apparently one of the Tony Hawk games because Spider-Man was an unlockable character. Tony Hawk, too. Yeah, I used to unlock him all the time. So I guess I'll let it go. But he definitely.
00:52:36
Speaker
He had some nerdiness to him. He obviously had the tech and the brains and everything. He wasn't the coolest person, obviously. The wind was attracted to him. I mean, he wasn't hard to look at. I mean, my God.
Gwen Stacy's Portrayal and Impact
00:52:50
Speaker
Shout out to you, Andrew Garfield. But he definitely came off more confident. He pulled off the emotional scenes well. When he was heard about something, you could feel that. I felt that.
00:53:05
Speaker
but any other time he's in school and stuff and you want the glasses and you know it's like hey guys it's like oh man there goes peter parker he didn't want to talk to anybody i wish he'd hang out yeah yeah yeah you know with peter tonight yeah well like the whole thing about spider-man is that it's it's peter's outlet for like all this stuff like it's where he can he can be confident all that and and so with
00:53:30
Speaker
But Garfield's Peter Parker is pretty cocky and confident to begin with so that kind of tracks a little bit. He's one of those kids that's what you know when you got to college, and then if you went to college anybody that you from high school, like they did high school like they were cool and stuff but they weren't real popular. They get the college is like, bam, yeah, most popular kid on campus and they're always doing all this stuff. He's that kid. He's gonna walk on a college campus and be the life of the party for the next four years. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:57
Speaker
So that's the feeling I get from that Peter Parker. I don't hate it, though. I didn't love it at first, and I cranked about it over the years. But I don't hate that, and I'm glad that we got to see that different version of Peter Parker, because a lot of people, especially people who don't like Peter or Spider-Man, are like, oh, man, Peter Parker is such a dork, blah, blah, blah. He can't keep a girl. He made a deal. He definitely lost his wife. They're like, hey, that wasn't his fault.
00:54:25
Speaker
You know, people just always down on Peter. I can't get into him for this reason and that and everything. And to see- Shout out to Derek because he could never get into Spider-Man. I just crossed my mind. He's like, he's like, man, I don't know how you like that Spider-Man. He's so goofy. Sorry, I'm not taking you Derek, but you're so goofy to me. I'm like, yeah, but you over here, like in Doc Savage, you leave Doc alone.
00:54:58
Speaker
I'll come down there and show you my fists, sir. All right, Derek. All right. But yeah, and one of the things I also liked about Garfield's is you mentioned the whole sciency angle, the tech angle. Like, they did a good job of selling that. Like, that scene when Ben, when he's explaining to Ben, like, about the air conditioner and all that, and, like, you get the sense that Ben always comes to him when something technical goes wrong in the house and his speed knows what he's doing.
00:55:25
Speaker
that was completely missing from Toby's movies. He rarely got that chance to show to tech because he didn't have web shooters. And I love the web shooters in this movie, in both movies. I absolutely loved them. I didn't have a problem with the organic web shooters. I know a lot of people got all up in arms about
Stan Lee and the Spider-Verse
00:55:43
Speaker
them. I got used to it real quick. I thought it made sense, so I never had a problem with it, but I never knew how much I would like the web shooters until I saw this movie.
00:55:52
Speaker
Right. Because that was always a thing with the Stan Lee comics and stuff. He's out of web fluid. He broke a web shooter. And it was a constant issue. He could be like, oh, man, I dropped my web shooter and I told it. These are things that would happen to him. Yeah. And to see the same problems in Amazing Spider-Man 1, I really appreciated it. So there was a lot of catering to the older fans like me while still building this new legacy for what was supposed to be another tragedy in Spider-Man.
00:56:22
Speaker
And one thing I thought was they, they kind of dropped the ball with the Webster's though is they had to the webs come from Oscorp. I thought I'm like, why are you doing that? Like the whole thing is like, that's what I love that the MCU did was this is something Peter developed on his own.
00:56:38
Speaker
Right. Yes. And homecoming with all the different set to kill and all the different functions he has with the webs and stuff. I mean, I know it's Tony and Tony Willow overboard, but still Peter developed the web shooters and then Tony just kind of gave him millions of options for webs because he's Tony and he has nothing to do other than invent stuff. So I definitely, I mean,
00:57:06
Speaker
I did enjoy seeing them on the live action version. I wish we had gotten to see him do more with them, though. Yeah. Because again, it always comes down to the fist at the end. And who doesn't get a chimney dropped on them? I think I was a chimney. So, you know, but again,
00:57:27
Speaker
The more I talk about the movie the more I talk myself into how much I like about it. There's also that one of my favorite scenes is that scene at the bridge when the kids in the car and yes that it was such a that was such a great scene like I thought that Garfield really sells it in that.
00:57:46
Speaker
Yeah, because I mean, he takes the mask off and everything. He's like, hey, look, I'm just like you. I'm not some weird bug man, like, let me help you. And that's something, again, a lot of people are like, they're always ripping their mask off so they can show their face because that's how they get paid. And it's like, you know what? No, Peter would totally do that. That is one of the, I've griped about that a lot when they, how the mask always conveniently comes off. Like my favorite is in,
00:58:12
Speaker
the first Avengers movie when the Chitauri soldier conveniently grabs Cap's head and pulls his mask off. But it made total sense in that scene.
00:58:22
Speaker
He had to get down on his level, man, and not everybody's super excited to jump into the arms of a red and blue stranger and just walk into the scene, especially when your life's in danger, and you're already scared. So in that moment, Peter came off very human, and he was able to save the kid. And again, that's another great beat that they just nailed. Yeah.
00:58:46
Speaker
despite the issues with Peter being too cocky, I think one thing is Garfield completely nails the character's humanity. Yes, and again, even as a child, and God, I keep saying again, as a child, that was one of the things that appealed to me about Peter was everybody, and again, that's...
00:59:09
Speaker
hold on i'm good i promise that's something that is brought up often about him being an everyman and that's what marvel did back in the day was try to make relatable characters with superpowers but as a kid and stan even says it in spider verse he's like anybody can put on the mask because it's a full face mask so i could see myself being spider-man but then to see peter parker be such
00:59:34
Speaker
a down-to-earth person with all the problems in the world and his aunts bugging him about doing his laundry and you know and he has girl problems and all these things it just works and when you're able to bring the humanity of Peter Parker to the screen that's half the battle even if you do act a little too cool to be Peter Parker. Yeah and then the other flip side too is you know I think probably my favorite performance in these movies Emma Stone
01:00:04
Speaker
Like she is just, I mean, I love Emma Stone in general, but like she is just so, she is so good in these movies. She is the, before Spider-Gwen, this is like the perfect iteration of Gwen Stacy.
01:00:19
Speaker
I 100% agree, because I love Spider-Quinn. Yes, same here. I just watched Zombieland, Double Tap. Not too long ago, fondly, because it was just on streaming, and I liked the first one. And the first one's a little better, but it's an enjoyable movie for however long you watch it. And Emma Stone just brings it in whatever role she's got, man. Easy A, Amazing Spider-Man, Cruella. Oh, Easy A is when I fell in love with her. That was such a good movie. Yes. What was the other one?
01:00:47
Speaker
Crazy Stupid Love, that was another one. She was amazing in that one. Yeah. I am dying to talk about Crazy Stupid Love because it's, I discovered it probably about five or six years ago and it's one of my favorite romantic comedy movies on, or if I actually run across on Netflix, I'm watching it every single time. Great in that movie too. But as far as Gwen goes,
01:01:07
Speaker
I mean, we had gotten so used to Mary Jane and Kirsten Dunst's performances. Mary Jane was the wife in the comics for so long. Gwen had died in the 70s at that point before we were even born. And so Gwen was always that idolized version. To think back to Jeff Lowe's Spider-Man Blue, like that whole stories about Gwen and stuff. Gwen was always the one that
01:01:34
Speaker
Obviously, she got away because she got killed. And it's always something that Peter is carried with him. And the respect that Mary Jane always paid the Gwen when talking to her about Peter in the comics, I always loved. So when they chose her, I mean, she had red hair to tell. I don't know. You know, it's so weird because
01:01:53
Speaker
Every single time, every single time they've chosen an actress, they've chosen the one who had the opposite hair color. Kirsten does a natural blonde, she dyes her head red. Bryce Dallas Howard is a natural redhead, she dyes her hair blonde. And Emma Stone, natural redhead, dyes her hair blonde.
Character Chemistry and Performances
01:02:11
Speaker
She is better version of Gwen than the comic books could ever dreamed of before Spider Gwen. She is smart, which Gwen was smart, but you know what happened with Gwen? Gwen was always like, where were you, Peter? Where are you? And then Peter's like, I can't, like off to the side, thought bubble. I can't dare tell her my secret identity.
01:02:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it would just be too dangerous. Oh shucks Gwen I Accord my taxi broke down and that's why I'm seven hours late for our date And it just got so old so quickly so when Jerry Conway came in and got the opportunity to do something different with her He immediately did and it impacted spider books forever We didn't get to see this side of Gwen because Gwen is confident. She's beautiful She works at Oscorp again got to tie it in she
01:03:02
Speaker
She's confident and cool, but she's not too cool for Peter. Like she's easily be a popular girl. She's gorgeous. Um, but I mean, she's heard her dad's and her family have raised the rate with good values. She, she cares about people. She, she just tries to go out and do her best she can every day. And then she happens to fall in love with this skateboarder named Parker.
01:03:21
Speaker
who then turns out to be the Amazing Spider-Man. So I absolutely loved the performance in this film, and in which we'll talk about it later, which makes the second one even more heartbreaking. Yeah. Even though we knew it was coming, but we weren't sure if they were really going to go that route or stretch it out or how they were going to do it. So I've really appreciated what she did.
01:03:45
Speaker
And the chemistry, obviously, with Garfield's office. Yes, I was going to mention that. I mean, there's a reason they started dating because of this movie, because they have Mark Bernard and once on Phantom Beyond, he was talking about the chemistry between Stephen Amell and Emily Bette Rickards on Arrow. And that's why they had those two characters dated. And the line he used was he's like, he said, the line is like, you know, if the camera crew is not here, they're fucking.
01:04:16
Speaker
I get the same sense with Garfield and Stone. The cameras aren't there, they're fucking.
01:04:22
Speaker
There's plenty of movies I can think of, and I guess now Zendaya and Tom Holland are always doing that now. So I mean, you either spend too much time together where you start hooking up or you just hate each other. Yeah, yeah. But it was palpable, man. Like, she only had eyes for him, and he only had eyes for her, and it just came across in their portrayals, and you could sense it even when they were fighting.
01:04:49
Speaker
and stuff. Oh, and the fighting was great. The fighting was great because it reminded me of Mary Jane and Peter because they were always bitching each other before she was like, you're never here. I'm going to smoke before those days, which is the early 90s people looking up. But JMS got a lot of Peter and Mary Jane's relationship right before Mephisto stepped in because they were really all the time giving each other shit. But at the end of the night,
01:05:13
Speaker
They really love each other, you know? And the way that JMS brought them back together in the books was great. And to see that pulled from, to mention another thing, they pulled from different things. To see them pull that relationship that JMS portrayed between Mary Jane and Peter and bringing the Peter and Gwen was very cool. And she wasn't somebody who was just like, fine, I'm mad and I'm going to go cry. She was like, you know what? Go fuck yourself. I'll talk to you later. Well, you get the sense that she's a cop staunter.
01:05:41
Speaker
Right. Yeah, she's not going to put up with anybody's bullshit. Right. And comic win never. She was always like, oh, daddy, Peter's never around. And he's like puffing his pipe. He's like, I'm sorry to hear that. But you know, Peter's a growing boy. He's really Spider-Man. And that's just how young boys are. I'm sure you two are figured out. Also, he's Spider-Man.
01:06:03
Speaker
I think there's also a bit of a ultimate Gwen Stacy in this portrayal here. Yes. Like the whole headstrong aspect and all that. There's definitely some of that in there. Which, shout out to, I just trash Bendis a little bit for spending so many ideas out of the same place. But I really did like Gwen Stacy and Ultimate Spider-Man. Well, Bendis has always been kind of hit or miss with me. Like, there's some of the stuff I really like. I really like most of Ultimate Spider-Man. Towards the end, it got kind of, you know,
01:06:32
Speaker
felt like he was, you know, kind of stretching things out a little bit too much. Yeah, once Bagley left and there, yeah, had a different artists and stuff. There was still some good stories. There's still some good stories. But yeah, it was it was weird with like Aunt May's house becoming like a boarding school for wayward mutants. Yeah. Turned into Spider-Man Amazing Friends. Yeah. Wasn't a big fan of that. But they made it work. And of course, his dialogue, which takes up most of the book was was still sharp as ever. Yeah. Yeah. But but other like his Daredevil is still amazing. His
01:07:00
Speaker
alias incredible alias. And I like this. I've only read the first Powers book, but I really like that. Oh, man. You got to you got to catch up with some power. Yeah, yeah, I got it. Ours might be my favorite thing he's ever written.
01:07:13
Speaker
Um, but also, um, I liked his X-Men stuff. It was like, his X-Men stuff, it was, it was decent, but it wasn't, it wasn't anything great, but it was, it was entertaining enough. Um, I never loved his mainstream Marvel stuff too much. I hated his Avengers, his Avengers stuff. I hated that. But yeah, but a lot of his, like his street level stuff, I always liked that kind of stuff out there.
01:07:33
Speaker
I was thinking about rereading the Daredevil run recently, actually. Oh, yeah, it's good. I don't have some of the single issues I used to. So I don't want to have to get a couple of like later volumes to fill it out because I have like the early ones. But that whole run with Alex Malieff is wonderful. So they had a big Daredevil sale on Comixology, I think, like was it like last year or two years ago? And I just and I bought like the whole Bendis Malieve run.
01:07:56
Speaker
Oh yeah, you got to, man. You got to. It's a work of art. It really is. Like if I ever did a novelization, I'd be there. And I'd read the whole thing again. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, his, you know, his take on Gwen Stacey, that was like the first time I really cared about, because like, you know, like you said, Gwen was, Gwen died before we were even born. So we never had that connection to her that so many older fans had.
01:08:20
Speaker
And Carnage took her out in the books, man. I was, I was really upset by that. I'm glad that we got her back eventually, but that was heart-wrenching because that was a really good story too. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, Emma Stone, Andrew Garfield, like their personality is, their chemistry is just so good in this movie. And plus like Emma Stone, like even though she's
01:08:45
Speaker
you know, she makes Gwen into a more well-rounded character than she was in the comics. Despite all that, she looks like she was drawn by John Romito. Headband and all. Yeah, headband and doggo boots and all. I mean, Jesus.
01:09:00
Speaker
Like the costume, her costumes in this film are, they do her so much justice. They don't over-sexualize her. You can tell she has a shape. But at the same time, you can tell she a baddie, man. And everybody can see that. And Peter especially picks up one. And Andrew really picked up one.
01:09:22
Speaker
I mean it's Emma, it's Emma Stone man you got to try to take your shot. Hey, he heard she was an easy a. And then also.
01:09:34
Speaker
Dennis Leary as George Stacey. Another amazing performance in this, because you had, in talking about the difference between like the ultimate and the old school version, because you had James Cromwell in Spider-Man 3, who looks exactly like George Stacey in the original comic books. Whereas you have Dennis Leary, who one of his friends told him, oh, I knew you'd get the role. And Dennis Leary is like, why? Because I'm such a good actor? He's like, no, because you look like the guy.
01:09:58
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I was a little leery about him coming on. Cause I mean, it's, it's Dennis Leary. I mean, I'd seen rescue me and stuff. I knew he had to, he had chops, but I mean, he's Dennis Leary. He's a, he's a jackass, you know? And he brings that to the role though, but still he's, he's the protective dad.
01:10:19
Speaker
at the same time where he's not the overly protective dad with his toxic relationship with him. Like, I don't want you seeing that boy. You're not going to see a penis till you're 25. Like, he wasn't that guy. He was just more like, hey, watch your back. Because he already knew, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He already put two and two together.
01:10:38
Speaker
Well, one of the things I like, too, is you show that he doesn't have that just kind of like assholely overprotective dad relationship with Peter because when Peter comes to him and he's telling him about the lizard and all that and he's just like, all right, you know, I'm going to stay here and worry about New York. You go back and hang out with the citizens of Tokyo. And then once Peter leaves, he goes over to one of the guys. He's like, get me everything we got on Kirk Connors. Right. He's like, let.
01:11:03
Speaker
You know, this sounds weird, but let's check it. You get the sense that he understands Pete's a good kid. And if he's this worked up about something, it's at least doing some homework on. I love the dinner scene. When he comes to the apartment, like when he tells, he reveals his identity and everything to go in. Both of those scenes were so good. And we've all been there where we have that awkward dinner
01:11:28
Speaker
with the girl you like, and then the dads over here, the mom, and then you're sitting there, and the Peter Parker of all people in that situation, with this girl who's already goo-goo eyes for him, and then the dad who's like just chewing that one piece of steak over and over. That was really well done because
01:11:49
Speaker
again it could have been a moment like anybody in a lesser director's hands they may have said you know what have have um have george go off on peter throw him out something like that you know and then kind of like have to rebuild that but i mean he was just very matter of fact with peter he talked to him like he was an equal and he didn't disrespect his daughter i'm going with still like hey you're embarrassing me but i mean that's what dads do
01:12:13
Speaker
Well, going back to the whole thing you mentioned about him not being like, cause he comes in and finds Peter in Gwen's room. Like he doesn't flip out. Right. No, he does not. Cause obviously Peter came in. Yeah. Yeah. He's very chill. He's just like,
01:12:29
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if he had like, there's a million other scenarios to get a walk in on, which he would have definitely thought about. I mean, it's like, she's their clothes. He's their clothes. Okay. Hey, dinner's ready. Well, you get the sense, you get the sense too, that he's like, that, you know, he trusts his daughter too. Oh, right. Cause he's not like, you know, he's not like, like you said, he's not like, you know, I don't want you seeing that. Right. He just like, he's like, all right. He's like, you know, what's going on here, but you know,
01:12:57
Speaker
All right, when I, I know you got your head on straight, so I'm not going to say anything. I'm just going to, I'm going to hold my tongue. And that works with her whole good upbringing as well. That really, um, did a good job with her to the point where they're like, no, you got a boy in your room. It's fine. Don't make it a habit now. Yeah.
Emotional Impact of Key Scenes
01:13:16
Speaker
So I enjoyed the respect that that relationship had. And, uh, his, his death scene was so good too. Like,
01:13:25
Speaker
I knew that was coming. As soon as I knew that Dennis Leary was gonna be playing George, I'm like, I know it's coming, I know. But yet, just like you mentioned with the second movie, even though I knew it was coming, man, it was so hard to watch because Dennis Leary did such a great job.
01:13:38
Speaker
I wasn't sure if we were going to get in the first film. Like I was thinking that maybe everybody would stick around the first film and then kind of build to their desk later and stuff. But it was really heart wrenching, man. And then his final words to Peter, man, he's like, he's like, you got to leave her alone, man. Too dangerous. And we'll get to it, folks. But man, like,
01:14:03
Speaker
In the moment in the moment as a guy when I watched it, let's see this movie came out in the summer 2012 supper. Yeah late 2012 says before I had my daughter in the moment of Feeling like the dude being told by the pair that you can't see the daughter. I
01:14:18
Speaker
I was like, man, that sucks. Why would you do that to him? Like, especially when, like, you know, that you obviously tell, they like each other and everything like that. Why would you put that on Peter? And like, Peter's not going to take that well with seeing it as the dad now, who the whole time that he was Spider-Man telling, Hey, Spider-Man, Hey, Peter.
01:14:35
Speaker
Can you not stay with my daughter just so that you don't take the chance of risking her life at some point? It hits. It hits a little. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, because, you know, this last time watching it for this episode, it's first time I've seen the movie since I've had my daughter and that it does flip your perspective a lot.
01:14:57
Speaker
Sidebar, how much did the beginning of Black Widow mess with you last night? Oh, Jesus, yeah. So many triggers. I was like, I can't. And I was literally like feeling the anxiety just right here. And I was like, oh, and too many triggers. Yeah, such a good movie. Parenting will change you. Yeah. Yeah. Now, funny thing about one thing I like to do is they did this is
Peter Parker's Character Traits and Plot Similarities
01:15:23
Speaker
They worked in the photography angle to Peter's character right the fact that he actually is you never got that sense with Toby. That it was something that he actually enjoyed doing, but it made sense for and for Andrew because you get the sense that he is someone who actually does enjoy photography.
01:15:40
Speaker
Yeah. The only time Toby seemed to be enjoying himself is when he was doing his dance scene in Spider-Man 3. So let's be honest. Sorry Toby. You did a lot for us, but let's be real. But yeah, he was always like with his little camera and stuff. He's like, let me take your picture.
01:15:56
Speaker
But with Andrew, again, it's a big part of the mythos of Spider-Man, that he's a photographer. And at first it's like, I'm going to sell shots of Spider-Man to make money. Peter actually carried photography with him for a long time in his comic book life. Before he got into teaching and eventually before he got his degree, thanks Doc Ock, and started his own business and stuff like that. It was always photography. He had his own photo book and everything called Web. So go look it up.
01:16:22
Speaker
nerds. But to see Peter Parker and made the Spider-Man still use that and then translate it in the present day and bringing the digital photos and stuff to the table that wasn't quite there in 2002 and 2004 and things like that, it was really cool as a Spider-Man fan. Yeah, absolutely.
01:16:47
Speaker
And apparently they had also planned to have an additional villain in this. So, yeah, Erfan Khan's character was actually originally supposed to be become the proto goblin. Oh, which goblin is that the one that was? No, no, that was, I think it was, what was the name? Nels Van Adder, I think was the guy's name. He was the, he was like the test subject that Norman used it on before Norman tested on himself.
01:17:12
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, it was from, I think that was from music's, what was it?
01:17:21
Speaker
What was that series music did? It was the? Tangle or Tangle Web. Not Tangle Web. No, it was like it was like story set in the early in the early years and all that. Untold Tales. Untold Tales. That was it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's where it came from. Oh, see, I didn't read all those. So I was not up on my protocol. That would have been very cool, honestly, because I mean, again,
01:17:42
Speaker
doubling on the villains is something that is as risky as we've seen in the Spider-Man film. But when it's done properly, it could have been interesting, or even if you're setting something up for a future film. I'm all for it. Yeah. Also, do you remember the Michael Bay's Ninja Turtles movie?
01:18:04
Speaker
Unfortunately, yeah. The first, I didn't see the second one. Heard the second one was better. I did see the first one. And marginally, but. Okay. But, but you know what? The funny thing is every time I watch this, I watch Amazing Spider-Man. I can't help but think.
01:18:18
Speaker
Michael Bay ripped off this plot for the Ninja Turtles movie. Because it's the exact same plot. Yes. Me and my friend, Thomas, my wife got me the Blu-ray of Ninja Turtles for some reason. Hey, look what I got. I'm like, thank you. I'm excited. I'm like, I heard this movie's bad, but I do appreciate it. So we watched it and had some drinks and watched it one night. And it's an exact copy of the plot. You're 100%. Yeah.
01:18:46
Speaker
I just, every time I watch this movie now, this is like the one thing that jumps out to me about the ending. It's like, Michael Bay ripped off this plot. And it's not even that good of a plot. No, no, it's not. Oh, wow. Good job, Michael Bay. Yeah. Okay. Um, any final thoughts about the Amazing Spider-Man? It actually holds up better than I thought it would. And there, there's a lot of things that I do like about it.
01:19:17
Speaker
Honestly, honestly, Perry, I came on here and I was ready to be like, you know what? Well, this and that. But the way we've approached it, because it wasn't just like, hey, what are your thoughts? And then you know, we kind of broke down all the characters and stuff and we paid attention to all the little nuances and things.
01:19:35
Speaker
I think Amazing Spider-Man is a good film. I would say it's not as rewatchable as the second one, unfortunately. It's a little slower paced, I think. And I don't love the second one. The second one's more rewatchable, it just says what it is.
01:19:53
Speaker
But overall, I do think there's a good movie. I see a lot of things being laid down that was meant to be built on in the future, and they got a little bit of it in the second movie. But a lot of plot points just don't get to be finished, obviously, because of the third reboot.
01:20:11
Speaker
But it's a good movie. It's good for the Spider-Man canon. It's true to the roots. They don't try to retell some kind of crazy story and not make you about Spider-Man and then slap Spider-Man on it. So it's a solid entry into the film series. I would say this will be my preferred amazing Spider-Man film out of the two. Yeah, same here. I mean, I went back and forth because I didn't
01:20:41
Speaker
But yeah, like the more I think about it, the more I realize that this is really like my favorite of the two. And I think like the villain stuff in both of these movies is weak.
01:20:53
Speaker
but the character interactions are so good. And I just realized, I just remembered something I wanted to mention is, I really liked Flash in this movie, surprisingly. Cause he's got such a small role, but he's so, like, cause in the, you had Joe Mangianello, who, you know, ended up being, I can never pronounce. Yeah, yeah. But he,
01:21:17
Speaker
You know, it's so weird watching the Jamie Spiderman movie when you see him playing Flash Thompson. But you know, he was just a total meathead jockey. But this Flash year, you get a little bit of him, but you get the sense that there's those hints to like him and Peter having a friendship later on down the line like they do in the comics.
01:21:33
Speaker
Right. And that's something I really appreciated because when I came in, they were friends. And then I went back and read the older issues as when they were doing like Spider-Man classics and stuff and got to see their old relationship and to see that they had grown from the bully and the bully role into actually being friends. And I mean, aside from Felicia showing up and pissing off Flash all the time, like they were actually good friends. And to this day, they continue to be friends. Yeah. Yeah.
01:22:03
Speaker
You haven't been keeping up on the comics, have you? Well, I know things are a little bit wonky right now. So, no, I am not 100% current, but I know things ain't that great right now. Yeah, yeah. You should read the end of Slots Run, because some stuff happens in there. Okay, gotcha. Noted. But yeah, it's...
01:22:25
Speaker
I like the little human was very cool. Yeah. Yeah. And also like, you know, you get the hints that they've known each other for a long time, because when he, when Peter says, you know, put him down, he's like, put him down Eugene. Right. That whole thing. And I liked the little callback and also the, the end where he's weird flashes wearing the Spiderman t-shirt. Yes. Number one, Spiderman fan club. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I liked that they worked that in there. I was disappointed. We didn't see him at all really in the second one, but,
01:22:52
Speaker
The second one had a lot going on. Yeah, we got three villains and everything. Yeah, Jesus. Yeah. All right. But yeah, I agree. It's not a perfect film, but it is really enjoyable. I think Garfield and Stone are just so good together, especially when compared to McGuire and Dunst. Like, God, they had no chemistry at all.
01:23:14
Speaker
No. So much wanting. Yeah. Oh, well, you know, it's it's funny when we were watching when I was watching this movie with my wife, because she was comparing it to the Raimi films, which we'd watched a few years ago. And and she was like, she was like, you know what, I really like Emma Stone a lot more. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, she's like, Kirsten Dunst was such a bitch. I'm like, yeah.
01:23:34
Speaker
She hated being Mary Jane. I got you to listen to the episode of Nerdist a couple years ago. She's like, yeah, I love doing the movies, but I really didn't love Mary Jane and playing that character. What can you do? Yeah.
01:23:49
Speaker
Yeah, I like this movie. It's a lot of fun.
Unique Spider-Man Costume Design
01:23:52
Speaker
And I actually do like the costume. Like I, it's, I'm not, you know, it's not my favorite costume, but I think it's an interesting update of the costume. Yes. It reminded me of the 70s costume when I first saw it with Nicholas Hammond. Yeah. Especially with the lenses and stuff. I was like, wow, the lens is gold. I've never seen Spider-Man with gold lenses. You know, when you mentioned the PS4 game, I actually got to go replay that because since when the,
01:24:18
Speaker
not too far back they've released an update with the uh with the amazing spider-man suit so i gotta play yeah that was the most recent update yeah yeah the fact that they are still putting suits into this game four three years later it's still very cool yeah um i got i i played it not too long ago probably within the last six months and took some photos and stuff um so it looks great yeah looks even better on ps5 but some of us don't have that money to drop yet
01:24:42
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. But yeah, I was such a like you mentioned the photo mode. I never use the photo modes in games until that game. That was the only game where I care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just too fun. And you can do so many different hoses and and comic book covers and stuff like I've lost hours just doing that. And yeah. Yeah. Like what are you doing? I'm using photo mode. Play the game like I beat it. Leave me alone. All right.
Kel's Creative Platforms and Content
01:25:10
Speaker
Okay, so Kel, we're sticking around obviously because we're doing back-to-back episodes, but tell people where they can find you.
01:25:19
Speaker
You can find me, more than likely, will be at hyphenuniverse.com. That's my main website. I have my podcast, Hyphenation, which is on hiatus now, but I'm planning on picking it up here soon and getting back at it. You can also go to hyphenpodcastgroup.com and all the hyphenpodcast group shows are there on my little podcast network.
01:25:41
Speaker
So you can go there and find all the episodes I've done. Just wrapped my wrestling podcast with my co-host Handsome Bane. It's called Rasslecast Power Hour. So that episode actually just came out today. So you can check that out. And if you want to listen to music, just search B hyphen, H-Y-P-H-E-N, on any of your streaming services. And you'll find my album on there as long as a couple of Lucy's that you can check out. And yeah, that's mainly it though.
01:26:07
Speaker
okay great hyphen universe you see hyphen universe on youtube make sure you like subscribe and comment and hit that bell so you never miss an upload when i do upload all right well kel thanks so much for coming on it's great to actually um finally have you sit down face to face after it's wonderful yeah and we'll try not to say um again so much next episode that's all right
01:26:30
Speaker
When I re-listen back to these episodes, I notice I have those, like, I always say that it's interesting. Like, this is it. Interesting is my word that I always use. I'd like to do 100% and absolutely a lot. Like, I was a guest on a mini podcast series we did recently about Sex and the City, and I was constantly, 100%, absolutely, 100%, absolutely. And I was like, oh my God.
01:26:57
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Closing Remarks and Engagement Call
01:27:01
Speaker
All right. Well, thanks so much for listening. Thanks so much for watching. If you're on YouTube, head over to superheroescentifiles.com. Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts, you know, comment on YouTube. Yeah, please do.
01:27:14
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