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Episode 27: Premiership Round 19 & Super Rugby Round 9
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A little longer episode than we usually like to do, but it's got plenty of good banter and ruggers chat. We talk about the relegation outlook for each team at the bottom of the Prem. Who is likely to replace an injured All Black's super star at the World Cup and also, we talk about who's got the biggest pumpkins out there. Tune in and get all the latest on the Premiership, Super Rugby and their corresponding fantasy competitions that we are playing. Make sure you send your fantasy questions to our e-mail or ask us on twitter.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:00:08
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the fans of the podcast. My name is Joe. I'm Ben. We are broadcasting. It's Tuesday again. All right. We're back to our normal day for a week for a week. And then we're still just outside Boston, Massachusetts, as always. Let's crack some beer and let's get into this thing. Don't have to ask me to. Yeah, right. You said all the time. Have you ever had to ask me twice? That's also true. So I'll give you that.
00:00:33
Speaker
Don't forget to check us out on Google Play, Spotify, iTunes, all the good places that you can find in your podcast. Subscribe, rate, all those good things that you like to do when you're nice to people that you listen to, right? At least we hope so. Were we saying I wasn't listening? Yeah, exactly.
00:00:51
Speaker
Neither are listeners. Shit. Let's get into it.
Rugby Controversies and Intolerance Discussion
00:00:58
Speaker
Do we want to go Prem or do we want to go talk about other things? Well, other things mostly directly involve Prem as we got through. Yeah, that's true. That other bullshit last week. Yeah. Although it still reared its head this week. Yeah. And deservedly so. The player in question got
00:01:20
Speaker
get axed and that's all and that's that's i was more thinking about uh about uh billy vuna pola oh and his he he got his reprimand too and he got uh he got rightly cheered by the the crowd every time he was around the ball every time he touched the ball yeah every time he touched it anytime he made a tackle um
00:01:40
Speaker
Yeah, lots of booze well and Unfortunately another man that we know and love said something about to Courtney laws and I didn't see that say something like oh, you know, you're not you're not accepting or you're not tolerant if you Get upset with people that have a different opinion in you. It's like listen different opinion. We talked about last week
00:02:01
Speaker
Different opinions are one thing, but when you express your opinion in a jerk-hole way, that's different, and that's what we were talking about. And it's judging people for how they were born, not any other reason. And just the spreading of hate. That is not cool. It doesn't matter what it is. That's not cool. Get out of here. End of story. Okay, now let's get into the problem.
Leicester vs. Newcastle Analysis
00:02:28
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Big one for Friday night.
00:02:29
Speaker
Bottom of the table class, Lester and Newcastle, they were people saying this is maybe Newcastle's biggest game in a long time. I would have to be. You know, I mean, they're this is there. They are on the break. Like it was one thing earlier in the season when it was like, oh, that's cute. Newcastle's at the bottom. They've had a rough go of it this year. And then it can be pretty slow continued. And and now now of all things. So so we were just talking about this as we were setting up for the pod.
00:02:59
Speaker
and looking at the uh the table as it stands and right now new castle is seven points behind wuster and eight points behind lester now those are the closest teams you know they're they they can get 15 points which would if all else went okay put them ahead of both bristol and sail but let's face it that ain't gonna happen you mean wuster
00:03:25
Speaker
this no um no i'm saying bristol bristol has 41 points yeah sale has 44 so oh you're saying that's how high they would climb right if they can get to 45 points i got you know and and tie bath and pass all the other teams
00:03:41
Speaker
But that's not going to happen. Uh, yeah. And you know, that's not happening. So so this was really This was the relegation battle if there if there was one uh, if there was going to be one this season it was it was this match and uh Fuck the wrong team came out on top.
Relegation Battles and Strategies
00:03:57
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Yeah A lot of people will say that um when they're officially when and if they're I won't put the
00:04:05
Speaker
We got the hex on this show lately. I have to say uh, we'll talk about On who and why but yeah, we seem to be putting the kibosh on a few people and that's what I told you with with at least the super rugby i'm a mush so yeah Don't don't listen to that one. Um But when when and if it happens, uh, there'll be a long conversation to be had about Who stays who goes and where they go and all that stuff because i'm sure there'll be a
00:04:30
Speaker
Not a mass exodus, but there'll be a fairly sizable exodus out of there, because there's going to be players that don't deserve to be in the championship. No. Probably shouldn't be. You don't get relegated if you have, you know, 25 to 30 players who really belong in ownership. Right. Right. So, yeah, like I said, not a mass exodus, but there will be a sizable one.
Match Highlights and Key Performances
00:04:56
Speaker
The one thing that that seemed to work this week, which was my stop sign last week, or my stop signs and my green lights and the, and the super rugby were way off. Uh, my green light and the pernicious wasn't bad. It was McWiggin. Okay. George McWiggin. That's not bad. No. Um, and then who wasn't my, who was my stop sign? I forgot. I probably, I probably should know this. Oh, shitty. Oh, right. Uh, it was kinda right. Kinda not 22.
00:05:24
Speaker
It's not bad. No. So my average dropped officially. After that, after this week. That's okay. They can't all be, you know, hundreds. Yeah, no, definitely not for me. But yeah, let's talk about the match a little bit. I mean, there's one guy to talk about, Guy Thompson. Wow. Wow. You know, if you're gonna lose, if you're gonna lose Callum Afoni for a couple of weeks. He clearly has stepped up.
00:05:51
Speaker
A little bit, yeah. Just a tiny bit. Just a little bit. Yeah, that dude. I mean, obviously, the intercept try was ill-advised, an ill-advised pass by Flood, just kind of tossed it and said, here you go, and hoped that it would land in the right color hands. Right. New. Very wrong.
00:06:09
Speaker
Yeah. Here we go. Sorry. Start yourself over there. Yeah. I didn't see much of this game, unfortunately. I honestly. I was coaching a game. What the hell is your excuse? So put it this way. My weekend started and it kind of went even into today. So for those who are unaware of Boston culture this Monday. Oh, right. It was Patriots Day.
Gloucester vs. Bath Analysis
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Yep.
00:06:38
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Which is when they run the marathon. There's uh, uh, early early red saski early red earliest earliest start time in the major leagues all year starts at 11 a.m so Uh, and our rugby club usually gets tickets. Well always gets tickets in the tailgate and and all that stuff
00:06:56
Speaker
I was planning on having a great fucking weekend and doing that at 2.30 at while I'm at work. Right as the game's kicking off, I get an email from my regulatory people saying, this thing you're trying to do, you can't do that. You need to fill out three or four other forms. Well, it wasn't you can't do it. You can't do it right now. You have to do these other three or four things that require
00:07:18
Speaker
Whole lot of approvals and this on a Friday. What's wrong with Friday at 2 30 p.m. So I'm like going home So I probably had a couple beers and was like I don't want to fucking watch Lester That one fair enough. So so I think that's what happened here. So yeah, not from your perspective at least It was low of my priority list I guess to watch the whole game. Yeah, there was there was some very good tries in this
00:07:44
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uh, sonates was was obviously a big effort. Uh, Takalua as always is a, you know, he continues to shine for this team. Be the, one of the few bright lights he's one to watch for next year. Yeah. We'll see where he goes. If he stays, if he, if he, if he leaves, he'll be a sought after asset. That's for sure. Um, so Newcastle go down 22, 27 to Lester. Lester are probably safe.
00:08:10
Speaker
assuming they don't completely screw it up in the coming weeks and new castle don't find find some sort of some sort of form well this should we should we talk about the the upcoming matches for each charlotte so that so again let's let's talk about where they are we have oh wait lost the there's the table um lester with 38 points wuster with 37 new castle with 30 so
00:08:34
Speaker
Realistically, I think new so let's talk about new castle because they're the ones who are being shit on right now. Oh, so wait Run those numbers off again. Okay, uh, we lost it Come on. Come back to it. Um Lester with 38 38 Worcester with 37. Okay Newcastle with 30. Okay Lester Lester's remaining matches are our home against Bristol Okay
00:09:04
Speaker
at Quinn's and home against Bath. Now there's a couple wins in there. There's a couple potential wins in there. They should have at least two good matches where they have a chance and it's possible they sneak up and bite the Quinn's on the ass, but yeah, we'll see. Probably not. Then Wooster, their remaining matches are home against Gloucester. Right. Oh yeah, they have a nasty one.
00:09:34
Speaker
away to Saints. And then home against the Sarazons. Right. Let's see what kind of match that is. Right. And then Newcastle. Newcastle. Home against the Saints. At Gloucester. Also not fun. And then home against the Bursts.
00:09:53
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Against Bristol. Yes.
Northampton vs. Harlequins Thrilling Finish
00:09:55
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Okay. Hmm. Let's run through the rest of the premiership and we'll figure out. We'll get to it. We'll figure out this math problem. See if it's see what happens. But my my my calculations are that at the if Newcastle get extremely lucky. Right. They get 11 points out of that. Okay. So that maybe maybe two two wins. Maybe.
00:10:24
Speaker
Maybe two or three bonus points. Yeah, that that's what that's What I see is the the highest potential that they have probably Probably accurate. Yeah, so that means that we got to get that Lester would have to get a win and they're out They're in or they're away from relegation and actually same with Worcester more or less. Yeah
00:10:47
Speaker
So new castle their their backs are up against the wall. Uh, absolutely absolutely Oh boy, yeah, we'll see how that goes yikes, um Yeah, so new castle are in deep trouble and they are going to be really hoping for some help from here out
00:11:07
Speaker
Gloucester and Bath, this was a bit of back and forth, just a bit. Bath started hot, Freddie Burns got him going, Freddie Burns was the best player on Bath, and I mean, let's just start with this moment. When he got removed from Priestland, I was like, I don't, I agree with bringing on Priestland, but I don't know if I'd take Freddie Burns off. That being the operative problem. There's a couple people that I would have taken off over him.
00:11:37
Speaker
The burns can play fullback wouldn't fall back Done. So i'm surprised you started with that. Although you're absolutely right And and as much as I like to to tell to say that you don't have to ask me twice about the beers You love to talk about things that you talked about last week And what did we talk about last week involving freddy burns?
00:11:56
Speaker
I don't know that we put the hex on no, he's the only player. Oh that's not cool. That's right And he did it again, yes he did So as much as we can mush on some teams and players every so often we talk about something relevant that becomes relevant again, right? So now who's the only player to hit a drop goal in the in the premiership Freddy Byrne? How many did he have? He's got two now
00:12:19
Speaker
Yeah, double that lead. Yeah, that'll boy Freddy. Yeah. But, you know, Beth started obviously very hot. Very hot. They kind of let Gloucester back in this at the end of that half and that's kind of when Gloucester started to pick up their momentum a little bit.
00:12:39
Speaker
And I'm not certain that it was so much them letting Gloucester back in. Gloucester was getting opportunity after opportunity and just couldn't finish. They were doing what Wooster normally does, which is make some awesome plays. That's not a good thing to do. Yeah, this is not a nice thing I'm saying. Sorry, Wooster fans.
00:12:59
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the They would they
Worcester Warriors' Victory Impact
00:13:02
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break the line They'd do something awesome and then turn the ball over or do something stupid or run into touch throw it into touch What have you? Yep, so it was really it was really glossed or keeping themselves off the scoreboard through through most of the match. I
00:13:16
Speaker
Right well, and then You had you had banners playing fullback, although they said that I guess hinds and sips were kind of dropping in fullback Yeah to fullback in defense. Yeah when when they were when they didn't have the ball So I was like, all right, I guess that makes sense and let's them at least survive today Right. Well, I mean that that was impressive given that What was it charples thoroughly?
00:13:42
Speaker
And uh woodward and marshal and marshal just just go through the list keep going keep going You know just talk about the starting thing. Think about the glosser back. He's probably freaking injured. Let's put it that way. Okay So, yeah, they've had they've obviously had serious problems. Um, you know 12 trees in ackinson's are obviously very good I mean those guys they said it right at the outset of the match that that it was ackinson and um and 12 trees that that really had to to carry the load
00:14:08
Speaker
They were they did very well they did very well, you know, the their their fantasy production didn't show it but they did very well, um was it the Which was it who scored the try on the touchline Seabrook that's who it was if the line had been drawn straight, you know
00:14:28
Speaker
I'm not sure said something about if I think that I think the I think the groundskeeper sneezed here or something I was like yeah that's pretty actor cuz I could see the line it's a little crooked I was like dude you sure this groundskeeper was sober when he drew this
00:14:42
Speaker
But yeah, luckily it wasn't as straight as it was supposed to be because it enabled Seabrook to stay out of touch and in the field of play and score. And Bathill will be like, damn groundskeeper. But they obviously, and then obviously we have to talk about the wonderful magic of the golden wrist of Ciprioni. Who? Dei Ciprioni. I didn't notice him in this match. Did he play well? Quite.
00:15:10
Speaker
It's amazing amazing what he does Where I mean first off It's now it was one thing went when he wasn't on the team for Six Nations and I get it you Eddie Jones doesn't like him. There's a personal thing there. Definitely It's fucking criminal if he's not that that game that Cipriani played this Saturday and
00:15:34
Speaker
If that that's a that's a player you take right then and you say he's on my squad He should be like there's no there's it's inexcusable to to see a guy play like that putting like every pass was a dime every pass was hitting his receiver in At full speed right where he wanted to go
00:15:54
Speaker
So yeah, I mean plug your ears england fans Worst thing happens both ford and ferrell get hurt Do you and you don't have super yani in your squad? Do you really want to face? What's gonna? What's gonna happen at the world cup with that possibility? No, just put him in your team bring him with you You can put him at the bottom of your depth chart until something happens where you need him, but he's got to be there because yeah He needs you know, there's no way. I mean, you know, I like ford. I like ferrell
00:16:22
Speaker
Same right now the best ten in the world Certainly in this country at least in England at least in probably at least in Europe. I'd say yeah, probably not inaccurate to at least put him in that conversation to For best ten in Europe, although there's a couple there's a couple right I mean But I'm saying like on form right now right to me sexton's down a little bit Farrell's down a little bit
00:16:48
Speaker
Yeah, well, he's they both had to take time off obviously for reasons x y and z And right and and so to me right now that the best in europe is It's a very honey. Yeah, thanks very well, then that I mean we would be completely remiss if we didn't talk about the prop try So the the the look away
00:17:11
Speaker
Who was he looking at? Was Atkinson coming around the corner? Oh, I don't know who he was looking at coming around the corner. I know Jamie Roberts was the guy he was trying. Jamie Roberts said,
Saracens vs. Bristol Bears Critique
00:17:20
Speaker
well, there's this prop coming this way. Oh, he's just shielding. I'm going to go after the back running around the outside. And no, just the pop without looking. A fat guy try.
00:17:33
Speaker
Whoops, and Jamie Roberts is a very good, very experienced player, so if you can fool him, you probably did something pretty damn good. And immediately everybody was just, like even the announcers, like, were just speechless. Like, oh. Oh, that happened. Yeah. And the, like we said before, they interviewed one of the Gloucester coaches and they asked about, and the guy just like kind of shook it off. Like, I see this every day, dude. This is nothing new.
00:17:59
Speaker
So yeah, so luster take care of business 27 23 and if they're not locked if they haven't locked in a home Semi-final spot yet, then they're getting damn. They must be like a point away. Yeah, I mean, they're 10 points up on the Quinn's Okay, so you could probably put a win in the column for the next three weeks and they'll be okay Yeah, I haven't checked out their their upcoming schedule. Actually, let's check that out now. There you go. Since I'm here
00:18:29
Speaker
Can only go as fast as this loads. That's your computer's fault. And it is slow and old. As much as I want. As much as I want to blame you. So they have their away at Worcester home against Newcastle and then away against sale. So they're playing two of the bottom teams. They should win one. They'll get one. They should win. Probably a bonus point. Probably get multiple bonus points, which would put them over the top. That'll do it.
00:18:53
Speaker
So there you go Yeah, so taking taking care of business for Gloucester and One more note on them. Franco mustard had like 23 25 tackles something like that for a lock, right? Again, yeah, we he's a monster. We he is a monster is official
00:19:12
Speaker
We spoke glowingly about those uh second rows. Yeah, so that's no that's no and then the other the other Podcast had um at slater on oh did they yeah? Yeah, and he's such a he's such a nice guy He's so freaking humble and it's like I really like you. I wish you could wear a white shirt for england But unfortunately diddy jones is just too stupid, but yeah, you can't do anything about that
00:19:34
Speaker
So yeah, Gloucester take care of business 2723 over Bath. And they, like I said, they get ever so close to walking up a semi final spot for the first time in like eight years or something like that. So that'll be cool to see them in there again. Yeah, good for Gloucester. Okay.
00:19:50
Speaker
Has to be one of my favorite commentator comments all year. Are we going to? Now, it was a great match. You know, this was back and forth. Saints looked like they were in control. There was a lot of there was quite a few casualties in this one. Bodies falling over the place.
00:20:09
Speaker
So to further set this up, Jared asked me, at one point this weekend, he knew I saw the first half of the match. And so he was like, did you see the end? And I was like, no. And he's like, oh, come on. You have to go watch it. You have to go watch it. I mean, I was going to watch it, but I just hadn't yet.
00:20:29
Speaker
So I texted him back the line and he knew exactly what I was talking about because I'm sure that's exactly why he was. Yeah, I was dying. I was I heard it and I was dying. I couldn't help it. I was like that is hands down one of the funniest lines you could possibly pull out of your hat. It was awesome. And the whole time to the line is they are the size of pumpkins.
00:20:51
Speaker
Yes, yes, thank you. Thank you, and you'd never hear that in this country either now. That's the sad part This is why I have to watch this stuff because it's way too funny to pass up Yes, a little bit of a jaw-drop moment there. Oh, I was dying. Just say he did indeed yeah, I Think if you missed it, I think he continued on he probably something he probably said something together
00:21:19
Speaker
Oh my God. Yes. There's only so much I love this friggin sport. Oh, yes. So Northampton get a try. I mean, the heroes are the substitutes, Mitchell and Grayson, Mitchell with the double skin of the Quinn's players and gets by them and scoots into the tri zone and obviously James Grayson nutting the conversion to win the game. I was like, is he going to nail this? And he steps up and I'm thinking, where the hell is Dan bigger?
00:21:48
Speaker
yeah i was like oh okay well because because grayson's got bigger pumpkins than damn bigger did apparently apparently it's like how i mean that's good for him for nothin that the question is who who here has this has them the size of pumpkins because i mean you could talk about grayson stepping up right but who decided that he would get the tea over bigger
00:22:13
Speaker
How does that how does that to say you know what? Okay, I got this one of the best kickers in the world You just chill you've had 80 good minutes. I'm I got this
00:22:25
Speaker
You did this for this long. I'm going to take this one. It's like, uh, because it wasn't a particularly low. It wasn't a, that wasn't an easy kick. It wasn't an easy kick, but it wasn't like, it wasn't the most challenging kick I've seen. No, but it just given the, the, the context and context, it was probably between the five and the 15. So that's
Premiership Rugby Standings and Relegation
00:22:43
Speaker
not, that doesn't make it an easy kick by any means, but it, you know, it wasn't terribly close to midfield. It's not like it was a, you know, you're not, you're not calling on, uh,
00:22:52
Speaker
What daily to to just write it one through this is a if you have a quality kicker You should you know it's like it, but you should yeah, you kind of do. Yeah in that situation Yeah, we talked about the injuries Which ones
00:23:10
Speaker
all i think everybody got hurt all of them i mean you had uh fur bank card off yeah thank god i mean it was good to see him on the on the sideline later so he he was sitting and still and okay but he was stretchered off he wasn't just carded off start stretchered off is always scary stuff it doesn't matter who it is and then um earl go that as soon as i i didn't i saw the the replay of what happened with him and it was just okay legs don't bend that way
00:23:38
Speaker
That's never a good thing. And it was completely untouched. He was cutting. Oh, so that's an ACL probably. I'm not gonna speculate too much. Well, I couldn't tell if it was a knee or if he broke a bone in his leg. Ooh, that would be even worse. That'd be like a stress fracture on those. That sucks. Right. I haven't seen any update on his situation, but... Or an Achilles, also a possibility.
00:23:59
Speaker
But his leg like it the bow in his leg Didn't look good, and I couldn't tell where he was Yeah, I haven't seen an update on him I was on my way out of the room when it happened and I saw it I'm like yeah, I don't need to see any more replays of that next
00:24:15
Speaker
Keep them moving. I'm gonna go get my beer and come back there. They're actually really good about it If they feel like there's a really nasty graphic injury there was somebody that had an arm this early into Yeah, same game and they and they were just like we're not gonna show this cuz it was pretty bad. Well the if you on the broadcast they showed a Clifford as he came out
00:24:37
Speaker
um talking to somebody on the bench and they're talking about what just happened and you can see the other player gesture at his at his elbow and make a motion with his hand like the elbow popped out oh good lord and and he's like and the guy's saying like oh yeah you couldn't really read with lips but he's like oh yeah you could see it just went like this and Clifford's like i'm like wow okay you're probably doing something pretty bad right like oh that's what happened yeah okay
00:25:06
Speaker
And Clifford had one of the better matches for Quinn's too. There were some very good performances for Quinn's, too bad they didn't get the right result. But obviously, your best friend had a pretty darn good match to redeem himself after a pretty piss poor showing last week.
00:25:22
Speaker
He did he did the things that he is very good at which is in the loose and good hands He earned a couple penalty, uh, uh scrum penalties too. I couldn't believe it I was just like who the hell's going it had to be ben francs That's all I know It may have been Oh god But that but yeah, he has hit the sinkler opening up the second half gets the line break hits the offload and
00:25:47
Speaker
Plays nine on the at the breakdown. Yeah, because he was falling in. Yeah, right and then Later distributes for the for the try assist. I can't remember who he put through Either Clifford or Marcus. It was Clifford. Yeah, it was Clifford through for the try just like so there he was playing back the line break pretending to be a back and then he plays the the ten to Put his four player three
00:26:14
Speaker
He tried to play back when he was younger and the coach looked and said, no. I'm wondering if Cipriani's pass to Honac was because he saw Cinc to it. I don't know. I'm not sure they get live feeds like that over there. I have to say this shit to Jared just because when Cincler's on his game, I have to kind of rub it in a little bit.
00:26:40
Speaker
Yeah, well, and when he's off his game, I get I get to laugh with the rest of the world. Right. And I get to sit here with my mouth closed somehow. Just take it. But yeah, so Saints take care of business 2019. Aussie to Wallace try was apparently very nice as well. So, you know, I don't recall the Saints fullback specifically. I don't recall that specific try. I was looking at the other.
00:27:00
Speaker
So but I was the only trying the first half. So that's what gave the Saints the lead originally. So yeah Saints Saints take care of business and try and push at least towards that top six which for me I'd like to see North and hand them back in the Champions Cup as I'm sure many you in that that region of the world would like to as well and I agree I said there when they when they're on their game
00:27:23
Speaker
Um, they're they're awesome to watch lots of lots of good talent lots of youthful talent on this team So i'm looking forward to seeing what they do the rest of the last few games here. Although um What's his face? Where was it? Uh hutchinson rory hutchinson not not a good game
00:27:38
Speaker
No, but you know what when he's had like Three when he's going fistfuls. Yeah, you know, it's kind of hard to be mad at the guy Well, right, but I picked him up last week. I did too continued production. I did too I was a little disappointed with what what the return was but I started so I made one of the changes I made I I dropped faz this week, right? Yeah, you told me and uh, I picked up uh, uh bigger I picked up picking up picking up honeck bigger and Anyone else?
00:28:08
Speaker
Vui, I picked up Vui. Good pickup as well. Yeah, so I dropped Faz and somebody else, so I ate 20. And I ended up starting bigger Hutchinson and Nair Voro, and none of them really. Vui played well. Vui played well, he got me 24, and Honek got me 24. So it kind of worked out okay, but I was expecting more production out of my backs than my forwards, so considering there's three of them.
00:28:28
Speaker
hooray hooray hooray forwards yeah hooray for the forward brethren um so here is hutchison's game since week 13 so week 13 you get 56 that was the big one 36 36 3 35 43 10 so okay so it's he'll be consistent one week off so he'll be consistent i'll play in the next two weeks and then the last week of the season i'll sit it seems to be the transition to that degree um yeah seems moving on and the
00:28:55
Speaker
The twins are still vying to get into that top four, but it's starting to become a challenge They're still in the top four, but still in the top four. They got a favor done done for them this past weekend Worcester taking taking care of sale surprisingly That was a shocking result. It was a I was I mean, obviously Worcester played out of their skin You know, Josh Adam Josh Adams man, Worcester gonna miss him. Whoo. Yeah
00:29:19
Speaker
Guys on guys on fire Ethan Waller had 66 points in this game. I don't know what the hell happened there He must have busted a run for a try or something big old proper right running for 60 meters for a try That'll probably do it something like that
00:29:35
Speaker
But yeah, so looking at... He's here. His name's here. Duncan Weir. We had a question post. Waller did not score a try. No? No. So he must have had a boat load of tackles and a boat load of meters. Yeah. That's basically all I'm coming down to on that one. Okay. Well, there you go. So we actually had a question post to us on Twitter.
00:29:57
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right. Yes. Um, yeah. Well, no, nobody's perfect. And including myself. The question was the question was flood or weir. And I said flood because the numbers said that Lester give up a little points, especially the backs and sale are particularly good in defense. And up till last week, second sale were second in terms of points allowed fantasy points overall to fly house. They were number one.
00:30:27
Speaker
Yeah, so I was like no there's and Lester Lester weren't Low on that list there were fourth So and we're we're had been and I responded to that too of saying that we're had been really disappointing lately So I was like I would I'm sitting in because and usually if Newcastle goes flood goes So that's that that was the other thing I I know it although tackle Lewis started to take the kicks away from him So yeah, that's kind of hurt him a little bit. So I
00:30:54
Speaker
Eh, gave it a shot. The numbers and the stats said otherwise. And Flood also had to leave the game for 10 minutes with an HIA. That didn't help. I'm not saying that's a reason, but you know, that kind of breaks up your flow and all that stuff. So, oopsie, my bad. Sorry, if our friend asked us a question, did in fact start Flood, then our bad. Hopefully you now know that our word is not God. We'll give him a refund. Give him his money back.
00:31:24
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Yeah, freebie. Yeah. So Worcester, take care of it 39 to 17 really sucker punch sale and sale are just left to they're really they're lucky that Quinn's lost because if they really want this top four, they're gonna have to really buckle down the next three weeks. So we'll see. We'll see what comes to that.
00:31:48
Speaker
All right, let's start with this first and foremost. I am very angry with Mark McCall. I am very angry with Mark McCall. And as I said to you before, you are right to be. Put out the bin juice.
00:32:01
Speaker
For a lineup like listen, we love cello Bosch we do we really do what a try he scored a try But when you're putting cello Bosch out there, it just tells me that you are definitely putting in the shags And that's it like and that and you're just throwing this away Tom Whiteley started the game again score Okay, so let's put it this way. Let's put it this way if
00:32:22
Speaker
You're picking the two wrong people here. I'm not trying to pick on them. But what I'm telling you is if Whiteley, Bosch and was Adams Hale that got over the line as well. Adams Hale scored. Yeah. OK. If those three are your try scores and there's nobody else. Right. That's a sign that you might have screwed up. Now, it's possible that that works out well if that's in like the 70th plus minute. Yes. Just kicked a bunch of load of penalties. Agreed. James in hand. Agreed. But no.
00:32:49
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No, and I mean, Whiteley did the right thing. He followed...
00:32:55
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What's his butt? Um, uh, Malins. Malins. And again, I love Malins. Probably shouldn't be your 10. So that's the other, that's the other thing. Well, my my biggest issue with this whole thing and it's it's This and and yes, I agree that that McCall's pissing me off, but it's not just about who he's playing It's about what they're doing on the field because the Sarries we talked about it last week where they barely had any fucking possession of
00:33:22
Speaker
Right. And when they did run with the ball in hand, they scored tries. What happened this past match?
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00:33:30
Speaker
When they ran with ball in hand, they scored tries. Yes. They kicked every fucking time they got the ball. It was kick tennis for half the match. It's blindly sticking to your strategy, which obviously didn't work. Right. And the whole point of the kicking game is to change field position. And right from the jump,
00:33:53
Speaker
The bears were winning that kicking battle. Yes, they were like the saris had were deep in their half And then yeah, they were camping their bears kicked out Saris kicked back bears kicked out got further saris kicked back bears kicked out got further and next thing you know They're playing in the saris are playing in the room 22. Yeah. So what the fuck do you think that's gonna happen the rest of the game? Like Why wouldn't you say you know what?
00:34:17
Speaker
Run with ball and end. Run with the ball. Just run. Just play fucking rugby. Don't just kick the ball and try to play field position because you can't do it for 80 minutes and win.
00:34:27
Speaker
No, and I see and the other thing is like they he put the he put good subs on the bench obviously Some big names with the likes amaro and jamie george. I honestly If you're gonna do if you're gonna have both Guys that played hooker for this match play hooker Start the good one get off to a good start then you can bring in the ship bag and let him fuck things up But hopefully you've already got a lead by then. So
00:34:51
Speaker
Because tell if we played for what a half or like maybe a little into the second half like 50 minutes Yeah, so and Jamie George obviously showed his class and and did everything he could in the yeah time he was on It's to me. It's a no-brainer you either Number one, just get rich crystal food. Just just get rid of them already already He can be gone to France already. Sorry till for you. You're not a good hooker Just leave leave and go play play play, you know do all that
00:35:21
Speaker
Um, well, we gotta give credit to a couple of their guys. Afoa, another propper having a scamper. Yeah. Scampering props this week. Scampering props. Stampeding. There we go. That's the word. Jesus, I feel like Jim Hamilton. Yeah, Afoa. Thacker was everywhere except when he was off for 10. Yes. I mean, this is not,
00:35:46
Speaker
Any way to take away from the Bears because they played a hell of a man. No, they played their balls off. Absolutely It's just it's just two Saracens fans bitching about what about what a bunch of idiots that our coaching staff and I'm kind of done with with Lewington You know what? He didn't play that bad. He didn't play nearly to the bet the bad level that he has before I'll put it that way. I
00:36:07
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He didn't he just didn't do it like he didn't do anything that I saw positive. So he's not a He needs a little he needs help to get that ball in hand He needs somebody to help him get that get that go forward. He's not one to create it himself and that's not Well, that's not a champions cup type of thing. So like that doesn't that's why he's nice eggs exactly
00:36:26
Speaker
So there you go. So I mean and he's young though. They still have time to develop him easily I'm this close to cut to being you know, I mean, I'm sure in five years. I'll be like I knew it all Yeah, I mean he's got he's got the likes of Dave Shreddle and Shawn Maitland there to back him up the back three actually wasn't bad I wish we had been able to use utilize them a little bit more with good Maitland and Lewington and
00:36:50
Speaker
Yeah, and goody's so I mean he's amazing when he gets the ball in hand and runs with it and he barely did Yep, so I don't know. I think their intent was wrong from the get-go Yeah, it was almost like playing not to lose which is always bad news against a team that likes to attack. Yeah, so
00:37:07
Speaker
So Bristol take care of business 23 21 and they get themselves away from relegation They are probably free and clear for you know, they're foreseeable future and they'll be playing right Bristol 41 points. I don't see any way that there's no reason Yeah, let's see there Well, we have a couple of them on the sheet right here right they have to play um
00:37:31
Speaker
They have to new they have to play new castle And they have to play uh lester and then whatever the middle match is so met they have lester up next New castle last. I don't know what the middle match is there. Hold on i'm getting a bunch of things open Um scores and fixtures they have
00:37:50
Speaker
Uh, yeah, they've lester away at lester home against sail sail away at new castle. So They're they're probably pretty pretty safe They'll find ways to get a couple of points and I mean they could potentially win all three matches Yes, they could they play what play to the ability that they can and they've shown
00:38:08
Speaker
Yes. All right. And now I'm prepared for when we have the positive thing to talk about, which is the other end of the table, the good end of the table. Yeah, for those those last three matches. But I'll save that for when we talk about the other. Yeah, the other guys. Almost there. Almost there. The Sunday game. Exeter was talking about another sucker punch.
00:38:31
Speaker
Whoo Who saw that coming? Yeah Yeah, no, not me. Yeah, you're no Sir Dom's if you saw that coming. Holy shit Well, we got to start again because they're beating props again. Yes
00:38:49
Speaker
looks like he stepped right out of the dire straits video for money for nothing um right under the rugby pitch yeah just about with a give and go with luva belalu luva belalu i can tell i can say but cordero in generally yeah again i can get another injury um and i think that that changed the match
00:39:14
Speaker
Yeah, because yeah to have Ian Whitten in who's a solid player by all by all means, but I think he went to wing so when you have So that back three to start cardero devoto and no All of them can score from anywhere on the pitch. So that's something that is a threat obviously cordero gets the ball back there and He's a threat. He's just an automatic threat Like you have to get him on the ground fast because otherwise he is going to dance for a while
00:39:44
Speaker
So yeah, he he his injury absolutely changed this game. I mean they yeah, they scored the two tries early, right? and really looked like that could that That was that's the way I was gonna be and they were the cheats going into the wind to start so I noted this down because Again, you can take that
00:40:05
Speaker
That wind and if you can get the first 20 minutes or so You can if you can take a little bit of control and do something good or even just waste time Yeah as as at both teams are getting into the match You can really control because then you're going at you know You took out the second half you're going right the wind and you can really play field position and and kill the other team agreed and you the Chiefs did everything right and
00:40:29
Speaker
and then it didn't work out. So it's amazing how that worked out for them. But I mean, when you give up three tries in the last 10 minutes of the first half, that changes things slightly. Yeah, LaRue daily and then Q's with the chip through.
00:40:46
Speaker
This thing had everything. This match had everything. I couldn't believe it. I was like, did he just do that? Is he allowed to do that? I guess so. That's what you're getting next year, Bristol. And he wasn't even the only wasps loose forward to kick. So I think who else did? Carr? I think Carr did at one point. I look at him and I want to talk about him a little bit. He's in Carr.
00:41:13
Speaker
Is such an underrated player for them and he can fill every position on that In that back three, you know, he came over I think it was two years ago from stormers finished the finishes Maybe it was last year whatever was finished his season with the stormers after he was done with wasp and Came he's come back and he's just been everything they could ask for and more he's a he's such a solid solid player that you have to just
00:41:41
Speaker
I know the players love him at the club. So I I love to hear I Love watching him play. I think he's a solid player. He doesn't run his mouth He's he puts his head down and he just works and works and works and works and he is just I I do love him. I wish he was wearing a different color shirt other than wasp. Yeah, but He is a fantastic player. And if we're gonna talk about another guy who we've talked about a lot in the past
00:42:06
Speaker
Um, but it's in the same kind of position just came over this year and um And does wear the white shirt Brad shields right all three of these these uh, these back uh, let's back let's back row for these guys. Yeah were Fucking nuts this week. Yes shields car hues just wrecking balls anytime something was happening one of them was involved
00:42:33
Speaker
Just all over the pit. I mean and hues was was the runaway man of the match obviously no pun intended But yeah, like he was he was all over the place. Yeah, but but to see shields II Playing I we talked about it earlier in the season
00:42:50
Speaker
He wasn't performing for wasps the way he performed in super hurricanes. Yeah, you're right. Certainly. Yeah. This this match was was much better. Much much better. Yep. So wants to care business 2619 and keep themselves in the conversation for top six. Mathematically, they're alive for top four. But yeah, not likely to happen. But top six is definitely something that they probably want. They don't want to be
00:43:13
Speaker
I have champions cup next next year. They certainly want to be in it and you know because they'll have everybody one year better They'll have got breath back back. Although he might be back in a couple weeks here. Yeah, they're still the top five So they are they continue to strive for that at the very least Okay So let's do the do our friendly math here and figure out who gets what at the bottom of the table and whether or not Newcastle survived this drop and
00:43:42
Speaker
I'm already on record saying no, they're now I Think they get maybe five or six points. Okay, so enough to catch where so so you think they could beat Bristol at home
00:43:53
Speaker
I think they have a shot to beat Bristol at home. I think they'll, they'll at least get a losing bonus point at the very least, if not a win. So that's probably a four. Probably a four. Okay. Gloucester, where do they get, where do they get out of that game? They're at Gloucester, probably not, not much now. I can't imagine. Okay. So then they're at home against Northampton when, when we come down to prepare a ship in two weeks.
00:44:14
Speaker
I think Northampton's gonna be looking to pretty solid there right because the Saints are uh Let's see where they I mean, they're at they're at six right now They they're gonna be motor hanging on to that. Yeah, right. They're gonna try and hang on to that almost no matter what happens They are going to be fighting for something
00:44:31
Speaker
Yeah, well, there's top four top six, right? Yep So that's uh, so they're they're at home. Maybe they get one, right? So yeah, that's only five points and that puts them that's still not enough to catch. Well, yeah So that probably I'd say Newcastle. Yeah, it's probably down
00:44:46
Speaker
I mean, which is unfortunate. Best case scenario, they figure out a way to rock up and win. But they aren't going to get a bonus point out of that. No, right. Even then they get nine. Let's say, best case scenario, they get that. They get the win and the bonus point. So they get nine points. OK.
00:45:06
Speaker
Hell, let's say they get five in that first match. Who was that against? That's Northampton. No, the first one. Oh. Oh, that we talked about Bristol. That'll be the last match of the year. Let's say they get five points there, too. That brings them up to 40 points. Let's be gentle to them about this. OK, so they somehow scramble away 40 points. Right.
00:45:26
Speaker
Worcester have Gloucester they're at Northampton, which is unfortunate and then they're home to Saracens What that match holds is kind of up in the air at the moment the way Saracens are playing so
00:45:37
Speaker
Right I could see Wooster actually I could see Wooster getting at least a bonus one the lost bonus point against Gloucester because they play similar styles. Right so this is 38. And then who is the middle one? Northampton they have to go they have to go to Franklin Gardens. Oh fuck never mind that. And then who knows what the Sarries bring that last match what if they decide to play the Shags again? They might because they may have Champions Cup in a week or may have just gotten off it whatever it is. Whatever it is. Yeah.
00:46:07
Speaker
Uh, you know, maybe they get one there And that's and that would be that's three points that'd be 40 And that's probably that's probably enough with a point differential because I know new new castle have had some tough losses Yeah, and and we'll stir scoring a boatload of points right now. Yeah, we'll stirs actually. Yeah, we'll stirs minus 47 in point differential whereas new castle is negative 116, okay Yeah, so they they would be in trouble
00:46:28
Speaker
Yep, so that would that would that would likely put new castle down luster aren't really in the conversation They'll probably pick up a win between bristol quinn's or bath. Yeah, they barely still pick up a few points I can see them winning at least one of those matches So they're not there to me lester or out of the the proposition talk it's really Worcester and new castle and and if Worcester steps up and wins one of those matches
00:46:51
Speaker
Game over it's a it's it's yeah, forget it. Yep done So yeah, so the permit the prediction here is plug years new castle fans that the falcons go down to the championship Which is an unfortunate sight to see with all the good players that they have the maths just aren't in their favor. Yep So let's talk about let's talk about the top of the table though. Okay, let's see what we're seeing there and i'm just talking about the top two now because
00:47:14
Speaker
I don't even you know what top I don't care about the top one. No, this is Harrison's van I don't care about number one number one seed Playing I want a home semi-final. That's all I care about. Okay, and There are they with an eight point? Yeah, but that worries me with wasps so we have to go to was two wasps home against the Chiefs
00:47:35
Speaker
Also, also something that doesn't excite me. No, although if quarter We really have to find out more about cordero's injury. What's up with that? Yeah, that's he tried to soldier on so weeks i'm, sorry, that's still in three weeks plus If all goes well this weekend we could they'll have another match to really look forward to after that Well, i'm thinking more along the lines of when the chiefs play the queens Yeah, um, you know that that could be uh, yeah
00:48:01
Speaker
I'm looking at that. I'm still looking at the number one seed, but yeah, I'm not worried about I'm not yeah, I'm not then they're a path to that because the Chiefs have a pretty They have they have a light schedule right Quinn's at home away to Saris. Oh, geez and then Saints at home Yeah, they'll they'll find a way. They'll They only need a couple points to secure the number one So they they are they've already secured his homes in my final Honestly, if they wanted to take a backseat right now, they could they probably could you know, so that's how that is. I
00:48:29
Speaker
Okay, let's go to Super Rugby and then we'll get to pick them. Crusaders and Highlanders. Highlanders did lead in this game. When I stopped watching it, they were winning by three. Just, I mean, you look at the names on our sheet here. Rhys, Mwanga, Haveli and our Karate. All the right guys were firing for them. Will Jordan had another good match.
00:48:52
Speaker
Just good you is as solid as ever that midfield between good you and karate is Unbelievable, that's not that's just not fair. No, you know to all blacks just in your midfield. No big deal, right? You know But
00:49:09
Speaker
And I don't think um, is bridge hurt or was he taking a rest? I think he's I think he's banged up a little bit So that's the scary thought for them if they get and uh, mattelli is hurt as well so They did have somebody that had to call it good and that was easy dag Injury was just too too much to overcome. He'll stay on and help i'm sure i'm sure wherever he goes He's going to do some great things. So
00:49:35
Speaker
Sorry, Izzy, you brought out some good memories though. So yeah, Crusaders 43, Highlanders 17, Severice has another day. Just tearing it apart, tearing, tearing teams apart. Just what he does best, you know. And Highlanders, you can't make mistakes. You can't make mistakes against this team. I really love it if the Highlanders would find a way to get Aaron Smith healthy and play him because my scrum half situation on my FRD team is freaking awesome.
00:50:04
Speaker
I've had to play um Bryn Hall and um who was I playing? Did I play Drummond the other week as well? Like I've had to play some really iffy half packs. Yeah. There's really not many available. I didn't play. Oh no.
00:50:20
Speaker
Oh, no, I still hear the name. I get sick. A little queasy. Yeah, that was one thing when I put them behind me. Didn't have to watch Ruru anymore. Yeah. So yeah, not been good. I've managed to dig it out of the fire every time so far, but man, not been fun. Oh, oh, wait. Hold on.
00:50:49
Speaker
Hold on. Week 10. We're playing each other. Yeah, we are. And this time I'm going to set my lineup. Yeah. And I'll give you a chance to win your dollar back. I will probably not take that chance.
00:51:10
Speaker
You're not going to take that chance? I'm probably going to lose. Oh, OK. Got that. Got it established. My team is not good. Yeah. Well, it sounds like you need to make some moves there. Right. Or at least set my line up. You said you made some moves last week. I did. Two weeks ago. And then I still won this past week. I forgot to set my line up. And I was like, whatever. But it looked like my opponent did the same thing. Did the same thing. I got six on the spin at this point. I started 0 for 3. I'm 6 on the bounce right now. There you go. Not too bad. I'm happy with myself.
00:51:40
Speaker
Let's go over to Australia. So can somebody tell me who played the Stormers on Friday because I'm not sure it was the team that I expected to watch because that was bad. They did not play well.
00:51:55
Speaker
Rebels what happened? Yeah, what happened? They're they're they got sucker punch. Yeah, they're kind of due for a bed shitting though Yeah, that was a big and it's not like the rest that their table is is Put no red reds got smoked what the war ties were off the Brumby's one, but the Brumby's world That's only that way. That's that's only their third one of the year. So
00:52:17
Speaker
I mean, even with that loss by the Rebels, there's still seven points up for the toss. So it's not as though there's that much pressure on them. No, but damn, that was bad. Yeah, I was really bad. I'm trying to put a gentle spin on this. They laid a real egg, especially against a team that had not played well in three weeks. Yeah, they really hadn't. So I mean, fourth kind of charm, I suppose. But damn, that was not a good performance by any of the Rebels. They didn't do themselves justice by any means.
00:52:45
Speaker
And this will go as a question for later too. Are we over rating the difficulty in traveling?
00:52:54
Speaker
Um, I feel like teams are starting to figure out how to Come combat it and and overcome it a little bit. It's there's still nothing you can do about jet lag It's figuring there. It's gonna be there it is forever It wins every time i'm very familiar with jet lag. Don't get me wrong I i'm just wondering if you know
00:53:16
Speaker
If I had to go out jet lagged, get a couple days to at least get a little bit acclimated to it, I could rock up for for three hours and get the job done and then crash immediately. Yeah, crash hard, right? But it's it's certainly possible and it seems like a lot more teams than I would expect anyway. Or not only winning, but winning big on the road. They were talking about one of the broadcasts, how many away wins there are this year, and it is a staggering amount of away wins this year. I think teams are starting to figure it out, how to combat the travel
00:53:45
Speaker
Whether you travel a day earlier or something. Yeah, whatever it is They're figuring it out because a lot of weight teams are picking up victories. Yeah to me if I was if i'm Coaching one of one of these squads. Mm I'm thinking you got a balance between their recovery from your previous match and the preparations for the next match And and probably trying to find that nice in between rather than traveling like You know
00:54:11
Speaker
a couple like a two days in advance probably like maybe two days after your your your win maybe try to get guys recovered to the point where they're not really risking blood clots by flying yeah please no yeah and and making sure they're wearing their compression gear and shit like that i think the other thing is the the amount of recovery gear that's available now is the technology it's amazing yeah it is um give courage to the stormers they rocked up they didn't have etzabeth
00:54:39
Speaker
There was no SP Marais in this match and they performed very, very well. Somebody, I don't remember who it was, might have been laid, sat Quaid Cooper down on a counter and Quaid didn't know what they'll do. Who stepped him and off he went and skinned him right by him. I was like, ew, that's the bad part of Quaid Cooper right there.
00:54:59
Speaker
That's one of the bad parts. And he had a couple of lapses in concentration where he knocked the ball on. He'll get sewn up, unfortunately, in the press, which sucks, because they're out for blood, and that's just what the press does. Listen, you're allowed one bad one. It's okay. And they're still top of the table in the Australia Conference.
00:55:21
Speaker
Yeah, so just trying to take that down a notch Yeah, so stormers went 41 24 and they are trying to climb themselves right back into the South African conference We'll see what happens with that
00:55:35
Speaker
Your boys, Chiefs and Blues. Good news, bad news. Good news, Chiefs showed back up and beat a good Blues team. They played, they had some guys playing very, very well. Nanai, Fionni, Ioanni, Nanu all played very, very well. That try in the corner by Rico Ioanni. Yeah. That was a little okay. Dude is just another world. He's on another planet. He really is. He's so young. It's not fair. It's not fair.
00:56:05
Speaker
Um, you know, you know, it's funny. I almost picked up lucky bus here too and And I wish had now we can't we can't talk about his trial without talking about the way newly Yeah
00:56:20
Speaker
I mean like it's one thing to you know pop that ball up as you're running as you're running full speed you know no big deal just kick right off the foot but the way he kicked it it just did a perfect spiral like it didn't flip it didn't rotate or ever it's like he couldn't have he could not have done that better I can't imagine that he was trying to do exactly that but it worked but he did exactly that which was fucking impressive that's the best part right
00:56:49
Speaker
Yeah, and just that little a little offload from alamalo And just a little chip to himself and like they didn't you you couldn't really see it at first I mean it happened so fast what happened there and right? They're like always at a knock-on like they went back to it because they thought it was a knock That was a knock and they're like not only did he not knock it He kicked he didn't like tip it to himself with his hand. He kicked it to himself to himself Unbelievable
00:57:15
Speaker
Unbelievable hand-eye coordination and concentration and just wow not even like a little chip Like up and under kind of kick just a little little to himself like this pass might be going somewhere I don't need it to go So i'm gonna make sure it doesn't right just a little elevation with his foot and and running on it full pace and
00:57:34
Speaker
Unbelievable. Sean Wannui is is back. He's he's gonna be an important part of this Chiefs team going forward Especially considering that they're gonna have Damien McKenzie for the rest of the season and unfortunately Really really unfortunately you feel bad for him because he's he's likely to miss the World Cup which he's got to I mean, I mean eight months minimum that puts him on the other side of the World Cup, unfortunately Yeah, I mean even six months from now
00:57:59
Speaker
Is is October? Yeah, and that's that's the end of it pretty much. He might be run He might be like just getting back to his feet. Yeah, he's not cutting by then. Nope. So And you feel for the guy I think his game relies on that quite a bit a little bit
00:58:14
Speaker
Quite a bit. So you feel for him. He's an amazing player. He's one of the best 15s in the world, hands down. And obviously the L Black would also like to use him as their third choice 10. So let's talk about this real quick before we overwork our time here. Well, it's a shame because New Zealand is such a small country. They're not going to have really that many options. Oh, wait. Oh, wait a minute. They have all the options. All the options.
00:58:44
Speaker
So if you consider, just for safety's sake, let's consider Giovanni and Nahalo, your starters, on the wing. Now, whether that's accurate or not, I can't tell you. Honestly, it's probably Ben Smith, actually, that's on that wing.
00:59:01
Speaker
If not, he's at fullback. So there's that. And then you still have the option of Haveli. You could call in Jordy Barrett to fullback as well. He's obviously a natural fullback. Nana and Fionny have both put their hands up as potential alblaxers here.
00:59:21
Speaker
So they could easily, easily slot into that. Brad Nenor has obviously gotten himself in the right frame of mind. George Bridge. And there are plenty of options for them, thankfully. But which one they go with is a different story. Now, the problem that they're going to actually have to solve, because as we know, they have a plethora of guys at the back three.
00:59:47
Speaker
The problem we're gonna have to solve is, who is their other, as they like to call it, first five? Who is their third choice, 10? Because right now it's Hint down Mwanga Bear. Whatever order you pick, it's one and two. Whatever order you choose to pick, it's fine. But who they pick for that first choice is gonna be interesting. Now, the best playing guy right now is probably Terry Black. And he's not otherworldly, but he is solid. So it's...
01:00:17
Speaker
It's also a different level Like he's doing well at the at this, you know, super right? Well, and you know what he does at at test level Would be will be obviously a different different animal in itself, right? Now some people are some people works different ways. Yes, it does. It works very funny sometimes who dominate it at the at the club level right and then Yeah, and then you have other people who are like
01:00:45
Speaker
Okay, club level, but man they friggin find a way to turn on at test time to me Tom Curry Yeah, like I fucking love him in test rugby. Yeah, and same with Brad shields
01:00:58
Speaker
In that yeah, I see them when they play for their permission clubs and i'm like, they're they're average Are they right? They're playing but then they but then they come in they play on their skin when they wear their national colors So a terry black seems to be like to me. I would think the opposite but that's just my yeah, we'll find out Right. That's just my read on it. I joshuani could would be another name to probably throw it throw in there, but he's probably really young But there was an outside the box thought that I saw
01:01:26
Speaker
And it's not, and they did it, like it was the last year or two years ago, they called him Matt Todd, who was technically playing in Japan at the time, although he did eventually re-sign a contract for the Crusaders. Think of another guy that plays in Japan that's eligible to play for New Zealand, Hayden Parker. Oh my.
01:01:46
Speaker
I mean, and if, if, and when the Sunwells go defunct, they're talking about they need to bring him back to, they need to bring him back to New Zealand. Right. I mean, do you want to go to a goal kicker? Cause let's be real, Moonga or Barrett aren't, they're not bad. They obviously have way more skills than just their goal kicking, but their goal kicking is probably a little bit, but part of sub par. Neither of them are the best, maybe the best kicker in the world.
01:02:10
Speaker
No, not even close and Parker Parker has certainly put his hand up. Yeah So that's that's the thought I'm not sure they're the size of pumpkins, but That's a different story maybe we'll find out yeah, I guess so
01:02:28
Speaker
So Chiefs win 33 29. Good and bad news, like we said, get the win. But McKenzie's probably done for the year. I'm sure they have plenty of talent to in the locker for the super rugby season. So I'm sure they'll continue on as good. Yeah, but that's a tough as a tough, tough guy to replace. Brumby's and Lions go for the Brumby's rocking up. Yeah, I have to say,
01:02:54
Speaker
the thing that reared his ugly head that annoys the hell out of me all the time with him. Elton Yanchi's missing. He can't tackle. He can't tackle! That's not really his thing. He can't tackle. And I know Pollard's not that much better of a tackler, but he's at least able to make some tackles. Yanchi's made it real obvious that he can't tackle this game. He let a bunch of guys smash through him. I'm pretty sure Kern Johnny was one of them grand. Kern Johnny makes a lot of people miss, but he made Yanchi's look silly. He made him look real silly. I don't even know if Yanchi's got more than a finger on him.
01:03:23
Speaker
Like it was bad. So that's just my take on that Locky McCaffrey came up a little bit banged up, but I like him I think he's underrated. I think he's been a solid player for an Australian Realm for a long time and I'm glad he's starting to get a lot of run
01:03:42
Speaker
Especially with a decent team like the brown bees, although this is only their third win They still have a lot they still have some good stuff going on for them with the likes of whale if on Oh current Johnny time banks Pocock still in the locker waiting to come back So they got plenty in there
01:03:57
Speaker
Obviously they have Rory Arnold. He's kind of good. Yeah So and Pete Samu is there as the as as a flanker who obviously did amazing things last year with the Crusaders So I mean, there's a lot to like about the Brumby's team and I'm glad to see McCaffrey getting his run in there Joe, Joe Powell is probably putting his end up for a possible gold shirt as well playing pretty well So I do like what they got Lines have kind of
01:04:25
Speaker
Laid a bit of an egg in two weeks here. So I Don't know they're gonna have to go back to the drawing board here because this is this is two subpar Performances last week being very subpar this week. Obviously. I still think that they're they're on a bit of a hangover Yeah, you're probably not wrong. You're not probably not wrong. I yeah, I think this is uh, I Mean not not to completely equate them to Newcastle but
01:04:53
Speaker
yeah that's what i'm gonna do right is is that uh and although it's it's a little bit more because they they played in um and and two back to back three back to back sorry yeah um that it's just a lot to go through and and continue to lose yes so that that can only last just so long and right and they and they've lost a lot of pieces since they've made their first one against the hurricanes a few years ago so
01:05:18
Speaker
Um, so yeah, probably is one 31 20 and get themselves kind of going. Maybe, maybe, maybe getting themselves back into the conversation of the Australian conference. Possibly.
01:05:28
Speaker
Whoo. So we thought this team was had gotten their nip in the butt out of the way. And the other team was gonna be fine. And we thought wrong. We thought very wrong. Jaguars take care of business in South Africa 5117 run rampant on the Sharks. So with the best team in South Africa, please put their hand up now. Because I don't know which one it is.
01:05:50
Speaker
I mean technically speaking, but he just did Yeah Yeah, I mean it's in there in the conference. Yeah, so we'll see I mean if they can catch fire This is a team that is gonna do some crazy good thing only four points out Okay, so they got a shot
01:06:06
Speaker
I mean, they get 19 points, the Bulls have 23. We're at the halfway point here, so there's a good shot of this here. Yeah, it's not out of the question. It's not terribly silly. There's a lot of rugby left to be played. Oh, yeah, there's tons of rugby to be played here. And tons of points available on the table. Just a bit.
01:06:26
Speaker
We'll see what happens here. I mean, they looked very good. The sharks had some chances and just couldn't do anything with them. And Jaguars had very little chances, especially in the first half, and they did everything they could with them. They did all the things you would ask for.
01:06:45
Speaker
Pablo Matero was my stop sign and he shoved it right back in my face. He scored two, I think he assisted on another one. Oops, I felt that. So he obviously did very well. I mean, he's a world-class player.
01:07:03
Speaker
I'm not ashamed that I got saying a well-class player wasn't going to be well-classed wrong. Like I said, I'd be a little bit more bold in my predictions. I went bold and I got wrong, but that's okay. Good to see Gus Creve be back in the front row for Jack LaGia came off the bench to play hooker for them.
01:07:20
Speaker
um still full of fighting piss and vinegar and that that that man is so uh he's got he'll he'll lead these guys on from here and so jaguars are big victors in south africa 51 17 sharks man who knows maybe they're i don't know they're a little hot and cold at this point you know it is what it is they look great last week and obviously this week it's a complete so it is what it is
01:07:48
Speaker
And the Bulls, this is the team I originally thought was going to be the best team in South Africa and possibly right now. 32-17 over the Reds. Sam McCarevey looked really good, but that was about the only thing that was good for the Reds, honestly. I mean, you look at the names on the list here for the Bulls. Paulard Oden-Dahl's styling from this is his second match, I think, or his name in returns. Plays a match out of his skin. Just, yeah, keep going. Just keep going down that list.
01:08:17
Speaker
Um, obviously bulls front row did well and they don't even have frickin ritz because he's suspended so That tells you what you need to know about that right? So that's a little that's a little scary in there But it's um, but I mean you have to so on on our list here Jared will put the the best scores usually in double digits and uh, the bulls have 12
01:08:42
Speaker
And that includes their front row, which is three players combined at least so right there. That's 14 That's a combination of 14 players Yeah, that scored very highly yes, and it's I mean and I do I did watch this arias naman looked like his old self he was He was tearing it up. He he is a gigantic loose forward. That's what he is. Yeah
01:09:07
Speaker
and it's a terrifying thought yeah a gigantic forward from south africa he's a but he's a gigantic loose forward like he's a second row yeah he's a second row and like he's a loose forward in a second rose bar that's what he is and he's pretty scary he's not unlike morrow right you know that's really what i think of what i think right although laws hits a little bit harder
01:09:29
Speaker
I'm pretty sure he threw like a football pass as an offload. I was like, and his hands are gigantic so he can do it and not obviously not have laces. And for those of you that don't know, a rugby ball is bigger than a football. So when you try and palm that sucker, it's kind of hard. It is. So when you can do it and throw it like a football, it means your hands are probably enormous.
01:09:54
Speaker
I'm not to that point. Probably. I'm not to that point. So yeah, Bulls take a win 32-17 over the Reds and they are on top of the South Africa Conference again. Yes, they are. Yeah, 23. So yeah, so they they have 23 points are on top. That is anybody's conference. It is. That one really is. Five points separating top and bottom.
01:10:17
Speaker
Right. Um not so much the other two, but yeah the other conference it's more than five points to go from top to two. Right so there you go. Um so yeah that's that's pretty crazy uh so that'll be that'll be kind of a fun thing to watch and see how that unfolds because again we just as we just talked about it you know which one's standing up this week yeah so we'll see um halfway point just about halfway point uh if it's not my bad um
01:10:45
Speaker
The what do they have and see what they have. So as of right now, the quarter files would be crusaders and stormers, hurricanes and sharks, bulls and jaguars, rebels and blues.
01:11:02
Speaker
Now, I would definitely like to see the Rebels and Blues. Bulls and Jaguars I could pass on. And then as well, actually, honestly, the Rebels and Blues is the tastiest matchup I can see of all those. Pretty much. Stormers, Crusaders, Crusaders would absolutely hose them. Hurricanes, Sharks.
01:11:18
Speaker
It's probably going to be ugly, honestly. Yeah. Let's put it that way, especially if hurricanes don't show up, which they've had a couple of matches where they didn't show up and it's pissed me off. But, you know, that is what it is for that. It's different when it's for real, for real. I think I think they'd be their old selves and play freely and be OK, but it would still be probably a little bit ugly with a little bit of like, oh, why do we do that? Yeah, I mean, only it is a long season and eight games and you're going to expect
01:11:46
Speaker
a couple here and there egg layings because uh Uh, yeah, just to try maybe try something different Yeah, like understanding like playing kick tennis instead of playing rugby. Oh, that's a different quote Um, so yeah, all right, let's get into pick them and then we can gtfo man, um Big weekend big weekend big big and weekend. Oh, yes. What's happening this weekend? Oh, yeah quarterfinals of the champions cup
01:12:13
Speaker
Oh, is anybody we know in that of course there is Of course there is you dolt. Oh lennster. That's right Actually, that's gonna be fun. That'll be a fun match to watch. I think both of these matches are gonna be They're gonna be so one's gonna be nerve-wracking for us. Yeah Great to watch the other one's holding on to my bum real hard Saracen's Munster at the Rico again. I've said my piece on the Rico It sucks that we're not playing this at Twickenham. It should be there, but it is what it is
01:12:40
Speaker
Um, monster will be will be without joey carberry. It looks like so. That's that's hopefully advantage monster, uh, Saracens Said lancer. I did yeah my fault Sorry, just making sure we're talking about the same thing. We are. Yeah. Yes monster will be without joey carberry
01:12:58
Speaker
That's that's big news. That's big news. That is big news. It's not you know, it's not everything but it is big news That's that's the guy that makes that ship go but either way there's I have serious questions about Saracens right now I do too. It's been three weeks in a row Yeah That's that's a scientific term I'm a coach I know how these things go
01:13:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's been it's been a little uh, I mean I I think everybody's gonna be good to go I Think I think I think let me double-check this. I mean, yeah, it's been but at the same time they've been sitting everybody So yes, but at the same time now you're gonna put all these guys back together again having not played together for Yeah, it feels like a while. Yeah
01:13:55
Speaker
That it is all a little scarifying terrifying there right like I don't remember the last time I've seen Feral Itoji
01:14:07
Speaker
cruise, Billy, Jinxy, and good all on the same pitch together. I can't remember the last time I saw all of them. Been a while. Right? So yeah, I don't think they're gonna I mean that that it's I like who we have.
01:14:25
Speaker
and and uh really just i i i get how important barrett is i forget how important they obviously i get how important the captain position is but fuck i mean when your your captain goes out does that mean your defense just goes to shit like is it really nobody else it shouldn't hey let's organize a defense does everybody else just like run around with chickens with their heads cut off like yeah so it's really a question of what can can sari's what team do they bring
01:14:55
Speaker
Right. Well, I'm not seeing any news off the bat about Barrett, so that makes me a little bit worried.
01:15:01
Speaker
It looked like it was a, they said it was going to be like a week to week thing. Yeah. And that was two weeks ago. So who
Injury Concerns and Team Leaders
01:15:08
Speaker
knows? Yeah. So that's, that's up in the air. So that makes me, this would be, if, assuming it's a high ankle sprain, which is what it sounded like. That's like a two to four week injury. Right. He's in that range now. So it's possible. It's a little terrifying, but with no carburetor. That's helpful.
01:15:30
Speaker
which is very helpful and I realize I have Connor Murray and plenty of other players in the locker. Peter Armani is obviously a huge leader on that team.
01:15:39
Speaker
You have to give the whole country advantage To the men in black and I I gotta believe that they're gonna finally just be like, all right enough of this Bullshit, let's rock up and put in a goddamn performance for everybody.
Match Predictions and Expectations
01:15:52
Speaker
I mean, I take the boys you crank it up for for champions cup. That is a fact So they've been kind of they're you know, they're what they've been doing with the shags and the premiership I don't think is fair a fair representation of what they're gonna bring. Nope this weekend. So i'm gonna go with saris as well, right?
01:16:10
Speaker
Lester to lose round three. They've already met twice in the knockout stage of this year's competition. And we're back and we I think we said something about possibly putting both these teams into the semifinal and lo and behold, yeah, look where they are. Pretty crazy. Yeesh.
01:16:31
Speaker
I'm going to surprise you, which automatically knows there should tell you who I'm going to pick. Play, play, play. You're taking play, play, play. I'm taking play, play, play. All right. That's that's interesting. I think that they can. The sex unhealthy. You know what? I'm I'm not sure it matters. No.
01:16:55
Speaker
That's a freaking bold statement. I know. I think 90% of our listeners just said, what the fuck did that guy just say? He is set to return. Yeah, I'm sure he's set to return. And with that, that's my cue.
01:17:10
Speaker
I just, um, it depends on it. I think if, if to lose can, can play smart defense, which now they're saying that I'm questioning my pick, but, um, if they, they can at least pay attention to what other teams have done to shut down Johnny Sexton. Yeah. They have a shot. They do. And even then, even then if they don't, uh, they could still potentially score enough points. It could, this could be a barn burner. Yeah, this could be a, this could be a lot of tries. And if this is a, it really comes down to,
01:17:40
Speaker
It's going to be weird, but who scores the first try? If to lose for the first try, they can kind of open up a little bit. If Lenster scores the first try, we know what they're going to do. They're just going to grind them into the ground. But even if they try to do that, I could see to lose just pulling.
01:17:58
Speaker
Rabbit out of their hat and score in a couple tries anyway. Yeah, because they're gonna play well in the loose They're not gonna play loose. They're not gonna go to structured. They gotta be yeah, they can be very loose in their play so Lensters tough Strangling defense might not might not be quite enough, right? No, and you know, this is this is the rubber match They each won one earlier grand. They won him once or one in Dublin to lose one in France right, you know it is it is that's how it went and I
01:18:26
Speaker
You know, that's kind of I'm going chalk with that one. Yeah, but you know, and if both these I mean, I think I think any final that we get out of this is going to be absolutely amazing. It is either way. Doesn't matter what happens in either in either game. It's going to be an amazing final and champions. All Ireland final would be fun. I've seen it and it's and between those two teams would be that would not be nice. They get along just fine. Yeah, that wouldn't be a nice one.
01:18:55
Speaker
No, that would be but that would make it awesome. That'd be a smasher. But either way I want saris in there, so. Right, same. All right, to the other hemisphere. Chiefs, Lions open in the weekend. Chiefs are feeling good even though they lost Damian Mack, but Lions are definitely in a bit of a spin. I think this match is more about the Lions than it is about the Chiefs. Okay. So I'm taking the Chiefs. Yeah.
01:19:21
Speaker
I don't I don't pick against birdie italic very often wise not to very often at least some wolves and hurricanes in japan yikes i'm a little i'm a little nervous with this one i am gonna i am gonna take my guys off the by a grand grand so the so the some wolves but
01:19:40
Speaker
The buy also probably means that almost everybody's available. Yeah, so that's that's the upside Grant this but you know what the symbols haven't went home yet either, right? They haven't won in Asia. They only wanted away from home. Yeah, it's Singapore and No, they tied in Singapore and they did they Know their their two wins were in Australia and in New Zealand
01:20:02
Speaker
I thought they had a tie. They probably had a close one in New Zealand early, so decent match in Singapore, excuse me, but not at him. Yeah, I would need to see a lot more from the Sunwells if I was gonna pick them, so definitely go in Canes. The Shocks and the Reds. Reds in South Africa for game number two. No one's gonna win this game.
01:20:32
Speaker
Jeez I oh Man i'm gonna regret this i'm picking the reds i'm going sharks Like I said i'm probably gonna regret this But I don't know them them being in in south africa for another game might um It could help might help them out. It might so we'll see
01:20:57
Speaker
Excuse you. And the Sharks are coming off getting the shit stomped out of them. Yeah, by Jaguar scene. And granted, they arrested a few guys, but still they did not play well. You know, it was observed on the broadcast. This is not a good performance by this team. Doesn't matter who was playing. Right. So so I think the Sharks maybe bounce back. And yeah, and especially with all three Dupree is available. Breezes. Highlanders Blues in at Forsyth Bar. Oh, Highlanders. Yeah.
01:21:27
Speaker
the highlanders
01:21:29
Speaker
Um still not still not feeling the blues just although that they are ahead of the highlanders in the standings, right? I think the highlanders have had some That's a tough goes a tough go of it. They've had a rough schedule So yeah, I don't think they're they're standing at the bottom of the table is really not accurate No, I agree I'm Blues are the worst team in the in the conference, but that's not saying much It's not saying much because there's they're probably better than a lot of the other teams
01:21:57
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I'm just saying these deep of these five teams Yeah, I think they're becoming number five, right? I'm gonna go with the own team as well war toss and rebels At the I think this is gonna be at the CG. It's gonna be a big one That's gonna be a huge one. This is gonna be a fun one to watch this one This one might be for the Aussie conference. Honestly, I know it's gonna put If the rebels when it's gonna put them right in the driver's seat, right? They're gonna be in They will be in full control of this conference if they win and I think they do
01:22:27
Speaker
I agree. I'm going to back our boy Quaid and I don't care what people say. They can get bent. I'm back in, I'm back in this team. So wait a minute, did I mess this up? Yeah, no. Wow. No Jaguars again. Interesting. That's like, I thought they just had a buy too. Maybe, are they traveling again? Yeah, they are. But I mean, granted there's a load of travel for them, but still.
01:22:56
Speaker
Okay. Anyway, back to it. Stormers, Brumbies. Stormers at home, off their trip, feeling pretty good. Brumbies feeling good after just tonking another South African team. Right. So we'll see. This is a tough one to call. Right. I'm going to go Brumbies. Okay.
01:23:20
Speaker
I'm not sure why I'm not even going to bother backing that up. That's to flip a coin situation. Right. It is. And I'm going to go with the South African captain and see a Khaleesi and the Strommers.
Fantasy Rugby Tips and Closing Remarks
01:23:32
Speaker
That's not a bad option. Nope. Yeah. Neither option was super fantastic or pretty there, but it is where it is. Right. Yeah. And those. So those of you that are probably looking for a new a new fly half in your fantasy team just real quick before we GTFO here. It was it's a rough go for people that are probably Demi and Mackenzie owners.
01:23:59
Speaker
What what's the uh, the jaguars new guy named miati if he's out there that's uh, they seem to be liking him quite a bit um hamish stewart is fly half eligible For the reds who's been playing fullback basically he and haggerty have swapped roles. Haggerty's listed as nut side back. He's playing right? Right and it was helpful to me in a way. I guess I start peggy at right and outside And so I can start haggerty and barrett
01:24:24
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And there's, you know, if Brendan Gatlin is available for a one off that you need him, you might have to go chop and change for a little while here until somebody catches fire for that's all that's on the free Asian pool. You know, I mean, you may have to make a trade might have to make a trade for somebody because it's down to that type of stuff. You know, I've, I know I'm going to be screwed when the sharks next buy comes whenever that is. Or if debris assets because he's my only 10 right now.
01:24:55
Speaker
But it is what it is for now, right? So yeah, if you're in the need of that You know, you got a couple options that are potential fillers, but after that you're gonna have to really start digging for gold Find that diamond in the rough Good luck. Yeah, right
01:25:12
Speaker
All right. Well, that is everything and, and more for this week. It's a, it's a lot of rugby talk, but it's rugby talk that we enjoy talking about. So yeah. Um, hope you enjoy listening to. Yeah, we hope you do too. Uh, it's a, it's a big weekend. Enjoy the champions cup. I will certainly be squarely put on my bum to watch the boys in black play. Uh, everybody just kicked back. Enjoy the weekend. Um, those of you that celebrate Easter, happy Easter, um, pass over to you.
01:25:42
Speaker
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01:26:06
Speaker
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