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Introduction and Wrestling News
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome the Chick-fil-A show. are
00:00:21
Speaker
What is up, Foley fan? We are back with a Sunday afternoon edition of the Chick Foley Show. We're going to be talking everything from the last really eight days in wrestling at this point. This has been a little while since we hit record, but we're going to be talking Crown Jewel, all the news from around the wrestling world last night, and we'll touch on the big Wrestle Dream show from AEW from yesterday evening. But first, let me introduce the star of the show. Sheena, how are you doing?
00:00:45
Speaker
I'm doing good. It's wild that it's only been eight days. I feel like so much has happened over the last week in wrestling that it feels like much longer since we did our crown jewel preview. Yeah. um Take the listeners back. Let them know your Crown Jewel setup. you know It was a different type of vibe for you getting to watch it all by yourself.
00:01:01
Speaker
Oh, yeah. So, yeah, that feels like forever ago, too. So, Seth had taken the kids to Kentucky just to see the grandparents and stuff. And so, I got a few days here solo at the house. um And obviously, you know we had Crown Jewel in Australia.
00:01:14
Speaker
So, it was an early morning show. So, I got up, made myself a little cup of coffee, put my ah you know my little walking pad in here in the living room in front of the TV and just walked during the matches and it was quiet and I got to just soak it all in without anybody saying, you know, mom, I need a snack, mom, I breakfast, you know, hey, come watch this.
00:01:32
Speaker
um So it was, ah it was beautiful. Yeah. ah glad Glad to give you a little staycation action too, man. It's always nice. Even though you always end up missing the kids pretty shortly after you're gone, it's always nice to just kind of recharge the the parental batteries a little bit. For sure. Yeah. I mean, you know, I know you were in Kentucky, but it's also like having the grands hands on deck. That helps too. It does. It does help because they take them out and do all kinds of like, you know, this time they were doing all the fall activities, you know, doing the um yeah know pumpkin patches and all that kind of stuff.
Farm Life Updates
00:02:00
Speaker
So hopefully you get a little break too.
00:02:02
Speaker
um Tell us what's new on the farm. and Not a whole lot. You know, it's cold here. It's nice and crispy fall weather. get all the windows open, 60 degrees here. it's ah It's a perfect autumn day. um So not a lot going on in the garden.
00:02:16
Speaker
um I am, you know, considering... Parting ways with our goat herd, which is a new development. It's something we've been talking about, but... We've been kicking it around, yeah. we've been kicking it around, but I think I'm going to pull the trigger on it. I love them.
00:02:29
Speaker
you know They're like my my pet babies. and you know You got the full experience. You got to raise them from babies to adulthood, then we... Solo doesn't want to get rid of the goats. Yeah, as you can hear, we got the windows open somewhere on Beyonce last I think it was a little bit later in the evening. Yeah, it was nighttime. So there is at least one live rooster roaming right behind the window. So I'm pretty sure that Mike picked that up. But yeah, as I was saying, we got the full experience, got to raise the goats from babies, see them grow up, got to breed them, have our own babies here. Milk them. Raise them, milk them, go through all that. And then, yeah, now those babies are just about grown-ups too. Yeah.
00:03:05
Speaker
Yeah, I think we got the full ride. The kids, you know, the kids loved having them. They've really been, you know, basically, they really have just been pets at this point. And the kids liked having them. But, you know, I'm kind of with you, dude. I like there's probably, even though our goats have had a great life, I feel like there's even better life out there for them. I do too, yeah. And, you know, when we first moved here, Seth was working from home. So he was here all day long, which gave me a lot of freedom, you know, with the kids to be able to go out and do stuff and not just be on demand all the time.
00:03:32
Speaker
um And, you know, now Seth's job is a little bit more demanding. Our kids, ah you know, extracurriculars are a little more demanding. It makes the kids get older and more. Yeah, exactly. So we're, we're stretched a little bit thin over here. So, um, I think, you know, I think I'm going to try to find a good home for them. Hopefully. I mean, I've got somebody in mind. I'll keep you guys posted as, it as it develops, but, um, I'm hoping they can go somewhere where I know that they will be loved and taken care of and somewhere where we could go see them, you know, again, eventually. So, be cool yeah. Yeah.
00:03:57
Speaker
do you have Do you want to let them know your tentative plan for what you're going do at the goat yard after? I don't know. i don't we're we're We're thinking about doing like a specialty flock of chickens. just Like a hobby flock. The hobby flock. like the most like you know They may not be the most productive chickens as far as ah you know egg laying and stuff, but they're going to be like floofy and fun and curly and silky and like all of the fun.
00:04:20
Speaker
uh chickens that we can find just like exotic breeds of birds uh you might be thinking like why does it make sense to get rid of one group animals replace millers but dude the chickens are like leagues more easy to take care of 100 yeah it's just anytime you're dealing with mammals man it's a whole different ball game as far as the level of care and attention they need man like the Chicken, you it sounds funny, think chickens being like meat and chickens, but, dude, the chickens will fend for themselves, man. Yeah. Like, honestly, I really do feel like if, you know, something happened and, like, we got freaking wiped out, feel like the chickens would probably be pretty dang good for a long time. They would find a way, yeah. Yeah. They probably need to get, I think summertime when it gets real hot, they probably run out of, they probably need somebody hook them up with some water. But in the meantime, I think they could get by. Yeah, foraging around. find water down there, yeah, little puddles or whatever. They don't need a ton of water anyway. They don't need a ton of water and like in the morning time, the morning do and stuff. So yeah, chickens are pretty self-sustaining. So you're out there you're considering getting chickens for the most part, you know, if you have a good setup, they can, they can sustain themselves. There's always extra stuff you can do for but the chickens will fend for themselves. Right. Yeah. But goats, especially goats that are like as intensively managed as ours, they need a lot of attention. They lay back there and starve. Yeah. before they went and found food on their own, dude. They would die crying for food before they went and just foraged on their own. Yeah, and they are very routine. You know what mean? Sometimes, because I'm the primary caretaker of the goats, if Seth goes out there to take care of them, sometimes they won't even listen to him. They will wait for me to come out. They'll be like, wait, this isn't right. We need our goat master. Yeah, they really are like little kids, man. Yeah, so we'll keep you guys updated, but that's the biggest development on the farm is that...
00:05:57
Speaker
you know, we are, we might be parting ways with our, ah with our hooligans.
Community Engagement & Promotions
00:06:01
Speaker
want to remind you guys use code Chick Foley to save 10% at ringside collectibles, our presenting sponsor for this show. Uh, they have their Halloween sale going on our now. So a lot of great figures, uh, the defining moment set with Steve Austin, Kurt angle, Paul Heyman, and Logan Paul just came in stock. We should have that in hand, I think tomorrow. so we'll be able to review that for you guys.
00:06:24
Speaker
Um, Next show. And that's a really that's a historically significant figure release. It's the first time Mattel has given us blood on a figure. Remember, we're getting the bloody head in Austin from WrestleMania 13. Yeah.
00:06:35
Speaker
Very, very cool. um And then want to remind you guys, hit up www.chickfoley.com to sign up for the Chick Foley show, the Patreon-exclusive Chick Foley show Facebook group. Ton of fun over there. to give congrats to our main man, Jordan.
00:06:48
Speaker
He won the Foley Picks League Championship. I had a damn good title defense. I was trying to become... Not only the first person to win two championships, but the first person to go back-to-back. Made it all the way to the final three. that the The triangle match win it all and just came up short.
00:07:02
Speaker
So congrats to Jordan. It was three former winners in the in the top three that were contending for... ah No, it was two former winners. Jordan never won it. I thought we had talked about that. Remember I asked Jordan if he had won a Picks League and he said, he he said yeah. No, he hasn't. Me and Alex had won. Jordan's never won. Well, I'm even more happy for Jordan. Okay, I thought it was three. I thought it was the first, the three-way for the first people to go back-to-back. No, me and our buddy Alex Eubank had made Jordan hadn't. So that's another test. So again, fully picks league. We'll be starting up the new one at the rumble. So definitely make sure you guys stay tuned. If you're not in the Facebook group, it's a good time to jump in between now and then it's so much fun. You basically, we make predictions on every pay-per-view.
00:07:39
Speaker
We're going to be doing a slightly different format next year. So I think going to, it's going to kind of spice it up, but just let you know how good the league is, man. It's typically around between like 35 and 40 people each year. We've done it seven seasons now. No one's won it twice. have seven different winners. So to me, that is the sign. Not to pat myself on the back too much for running it, but I that's a sign of a good, healthy league that nobody has won it twice. So it's a lot of fun. www.chickfoley.com. Again, two bucks a month. You can't even get a double cheeseburger McDonald's for that anymore. So I guarantee you're going to get your money's worth. Yeah, shout out to you for doing all the legwork. And shout to Matt for putting together our picks forums every week. Phil Dunnett, too. And Phil for putting together the summary reports and everything. Yeah, and we'll chat with you and Jordan. And you and Jordan are the other two members of the competition committee. We're kind of like the executive steering committee of this thing, dude, making all the big choices. I mean, we get in the nitty-gritty on these bonus picks. There's some matches where, like, you know –
00:08:35
Speaker
but is this person going to bleed? And we got put it to vote. Like if somebody kind of gets like their back nicked on a table, like right counting that as blood or not blood. Exactly. Different things we've had to take votes on. And different shows. Like sometimes there's premium TV events. We're like, are we counting this towards Pixley? Are we going to do picks for this? You know, we have to, we have to bring it to a vote. So yeah. Shout out to the competition committee and everybody that helps to put this thing together because it's super fun. is some work, but it's fun. And we're hoping this winter, you know, now now that things are going slowing down a little bit with football season wrapping up and the cold weather things are cooled off in the garden, that we'll be able to run some more Foley Rumbles too. Yeah, we'll be able to give a little bit more attention to the wrestling the world. Like said, as of now, you know, we're we're only guaranteed three more weeks of football. We'll see how long it goes. Yeah.
Crown Jewel Highlights
00:09:15
Speaker
um All right, Sheen, you ready get into some wrestling action? Oh, yeah.
00:09:19
Speaker
So we're going to kind of just loosely follow a chronological format from the last time that we potted. Kick it off. Last Saturday morning, we already mentioned Crown Jewel. Really two matches we got to talk about. First off, we'll start off with Cena and AJ.
00:09:33
Speaker
In so many ways, this was basically a tribute to the 2000s era of wrestling between the Ruthless Aggression era and then going into AJ Styles' TNA run uh what did you think of the match machine oh my gosh it was just it was just beautiful in so many ways like I'm I'm really sad that one it was overseas because I feel like this could have been like this could have been seen as last match and I would have been like damn you know what all the stuff previously could have been forgiven you know all of the fumbling of the heel turn and all the things right like I feel like I could have forgiven all of that and this would have just been a perfect bow on uh
00:10:07
Speaker
on Cena's retirement run. um you know Obviously, we have we have a couple more matches in the in the tank for Cena, but dude, I thought overall this was just pretty much a perfect match. It's kind of a shame that they didn't say this one because this would have been a perfect match to go out on for Cena, man. This would have been absolutely perfect it was the last one. and and what And the problem, I think, is because this match was so good that it's really going to be hard for anything like coming up to i match it. Yeah, i don't think there's going to be anything that tops it bell-to-bell action. Now, there's stuff you could do storyline-wise to to make it better, but there's nothing...
00:10:40
Speaker
There's absolutely nothing in-ring wise that's going to top this one. Yeah. um started you know And AJ said it. AJ said it. He said, you know we don't need a story. He said, this match is going to write itself, man. He called it.
00:10:51
Speaker
I loved AJ coming out. At first, thought he was just coming out in old TNA style gear, which is cool enough. But then turned out, this was actually the gear that he had from Pro Wrestling Illustrated cover story from 2006. It was WWE versus TNA. Wow. It was Cena AJ on the cover. Wow. AJ, I don't know if he either still had that gear Or he either still had that gear had somebody custom recreate it to bring out for this. But just such a nice touch, man.
00:11:15
Speaker
Very, very cool. Very cool. And I thought i thought the intro, Cena handing the little paper with the intro for AJ was a nice touch where he gave him like a proper introduction. um Very cool.
00:11:26
Speaker
Yeah. And they said Bullet Club on WWE TV. which Yeah. It's only happened a handful of times. Yeah. so Yeah, awesome match. If you have somehow have not watched it yet, definitely go check it out. It was just a perfect love letter to the last 20 years of wrestling.
00:11:38
Speaker
um And then the main event, dude, we had Seth and Cody. Yeah, this was a banger, as always, between these two. um You know, we talked about on the preview show, they built us up feeling like a WrestleMania main event. the in-ring action was WrestleMania main event worthy, man. These guys went all out.
00:11:52
Speaker
Seth's gear was tremendous, dude. He had the gear. He had pieced together all this stuff from all three the previous matches with Cody. And then with the zebra print and the gold boots, like I'm praying we get an ultimate edition of this. Cause that was some of the, you know, and a guy who has probably the best ring gear of the last 10 or 15 years. I think this may have been his best yet, man. I thought Seth's just look was striking.
00:12:12
Speaker
It was striking. And then when you saw, like that like you said, like the little patches on the side of the pants, you were like, oh, man, like the all the details are there. you know So super cool match from Seth. um Obviously, this has led into a lot of speculation that, you know is he hurt? Is he not hurt? He did a like a flying headbutt coast-to-coast type situation. Sheena called it. She said when it ah she texted me what happened, she said, I can't remember, you either asked me if Seth hurt or you said you think Seth is really hurt.
00:12:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I said, do you think Seth is really hurt? Because I'm traditionally, you know, if you've listened to this podcast long enough, I get worked a lot, right? Like I said, I just buy into the storyline, especially with injuries and stuff like that. Because if he wasn't hurt, the selling was absolutely spectacular, dude. Because after he initially kind of like act like he hurt his arm, I was watching with like laser vision, just like okay let's just see how if he moves if he picks anybody up with this arm and he was he was babying it for the rest of the match like there was no like just blatant um arm movements that would have told you like oh this isn't like he's not hurt right so and then now you know he's wearing a cast out in public um but it's it's just ironic because he's worked as he's like a master of manipulation he's worked us before with the leg uh and the knee and um i just can't see them dipping into that well once again i mean, it's possible. this is
00:13:26
Speaker
So this all leads into Monday night. We end with the shocking turn. the The credits are already rolling. And then Braun Breaker Bronson return on Seth Rollins, aligned with Paul Heyman. So seemingly, Seth's kicked out of his own faction.
00:13:39
Speaker
And Paul is just putting all his stock into Braun and ah Bronson camp. Which seems like very abrupt. abrupt and very like So i mean if if the injury rumors aren't true, like ah this they must have some serious um ideas of where this is going to go creatively because it did happen super abruptly.
00:13:56
Speaker
right, so you kind of laid out the case for why it's not a work with, ah you know, mentioned they they just did this, and Seth legit looked like he got hurt in the match. It just looked kind of funky, the whole spot, is as ballsy as it was, trying to a coast-to-coast flying headbutt splash or whatever.
00:14:10
Speaker
Yeah. And he didn't sell the leg that that good when he when he initially hurt the leg um in that match. you know what I mean? I thought he sold the leg pretty good. i mean, he literally got up and was buckling stuff. But yeah. He did, but it wasn't good as the arm. I would say he actually sold it a little bit more over the top when he hurt the leg. That's what I'm saying. It felt a little more theatrical. This was more subtle. Yeah, this was very. Maybe they're fine-tuning what they did last time. So here's here's the case where it gets it for me.
00:14:32
Speaker
One, it's Seth, right? Two, CM Punk becomes number one contender the next night. There's nothing that would be funnier than if they did all this again just to screw over CM Punk, right? Like, he he's never going to see it coming again, like you mentioned, right? like There's no going to fake the injury twice.
00:14:47
Speaker
The other thing is, how does that benefit Punk, though? i What's the what's a trajectory? So he's hurt. does It doesn't benefit Punk. It hurts I mean, yeah. So how does it hurt Punk? Because he's the number one contender. cause they're just going to clown him. He's going his guard down thinking, oh, I'm finally going beat Seth. i got him all but I got him all to myself this time.
00:15:01
Speaker
And then the vision just screws him over again. Oh, you're not talking about the injury. You're talking about vision turning him. talking about the I'm talking about all of it. The injury, the vision turning, everything. um The other thing is, so let's say he is hurt. He's going have surgery. He's going out for a while, forfeiting the belt.
00:15:15
Speaker
you know i don't think that beatdown was enough. that whatever we We saw Monday, one spear and a splash. We've seen you know Seth Rollins take all that in a match, come back and win. yeah so That wasn't enough to kind of write him off TV or be like, he's got a fourth at the belt now. um and and yeah just it It all seemed so abrupt that I feel like this is like a swerve. you know i mean like There was not enough track laid that like you know Braun and Bronson were getting frustrated with Seth or anything like that. because The story going into that match with Cody was that Seth needed to win to kind of prove himself again, you know?
00:15:46
Speaker
And ah he did that, you know, he went out basically by himself. Yeah. He got a cheap shot with the watch, but he, for the most part, he kind of beat Cody clean, you know, didn't have any help, no interference on He beat Cody on his own one, two, three.
00:15:57
Speaker
So that leads me to think that this this is potentially another work and it's all in storyline. They did already come out and say that Adam Pierce is going to address this situation with Seth Rollins on raw Monday. So I think, ah you know, tomorrow night we're going to find out a lot more exactly where this is headed. Yeah. True, but to see, to me, I read it the exact opposite way. The abruptness to me reads that, like, damn, Seth Rollins is hurt. We had to something. Yeah, we just had to swerve and, like, make this make this a thing, dude. So you think he's dropping the belt? You think he's to forfeit the title? or I mean, I would think so, man. I mean, I think a vacant title makes the most sense because, what do I mean, what what are you going to do? you know i guess Because you already have a number one contender. going have, like, another number one contender, and I definitely don't want, like, an interim champ, right, where it's just, like, that kind of that kind of situation. so
00:16:39
Speaker
That could be fun, man. If, ah you know, even if they don't call it an interim, if Seth still keeps his belt and is, you know, comes back, going to be the real world champ. That's always a fun storyline. like what Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon did yeah back in the 90s, what CM Punk was doing right before he got fired from AEW. I think that kind of stuff is always fun.
00:16:57
Speaker
So overall, you're saying Seth's legit hurt and he's he's out for a while? Again, take this with the slightest grain of salt because historically i have been worked so many times, but i my reading is that he's he's legitimately hurt, dude, because it just...
00:17:12
Speaker
I'm sticking with mine. logic doesn't make sense to do it again. No, I feel you. There's still a lot of, you got to take a couple of leaps of faith to, to get to where I'm at with it, but I'm still sticking with my overall philosophy. And when it comes to wrestling until proven blatantly beyond a shadow of a doubt, uh,
00:17:26
Speaker
you know, wrong, assume everything is a work. Yeah. I agree with that too. But so what do you, what, if, if he is hurt and has to be out for months, say like shoulder surgery, or something, or something or another, like, what do you think the future for Seth Rollins holds? Do you think like, this is like a last kind of like, you know, no, he's fine. Cause these are all freak accents. It's not like he's having like wear and tear. I mean, the dude went for a coast to coast,
00:17:47
Speaker
like headbutt or splash. I've never seen anybody even try that. You know I mean? i understand that. I mean, it was a crazy move that he got hurt on, but you also have to ask the question, like, is I mean, is it wear and tear? Because he is, i mean, if he's been the workhorse. Yeah. That's facts. But I don't know. i to me, an injury like that as ah as a, as hardcore Seth Rollins fan, that doesn't bother me. I'd be more concerned if it was something like what CM Punk was going on there, like the tail end of his AEW run. And when he first got to WWE, where these seemingly routine moves are heard taking him out a couple of months, some,
00:18:16
Speaker
Somebody does some crazy-ass move like Seth did, and hurt, and out a couple months. I'm like, eh, charge to the game. they They were pushing the limits of what their body was capable of, and they they found it on this one. so i yeah Seth's definitely slowing down, but i'm i'm not like it's not a red flag for me that, like damn, this dude really you know he might not be able to go anymore. He's still one of the best wrestlers in the world.
00:18:37
Speaker
um But I think ah short-term creatively, I think he's definitely come back as a babyface. The crowd never wanted to boo him, even on this heel run. as As dastardly as he's been, man, the the crowd is still going nuts for him.
00:18:51
Speaker
He's still getting cheery. They're still singing his song. So I think he's coming back as a babyface regardless, which is at this point, he's just got too much equity with the fans, man. I don't think um then there's anything he could do to make the fans hate him at this point in his career. Yeah, there's nothing he could do to make the fans hate him. But I will say, as someone who's been watching Seth Rollins since the jump, I prefer a heel Seth Rollins to a babyface Seth Rollins, just personally. like i His character lends itself so much better.
00:19:15
Speaker
mean, dude, the heel ring gear has just been out of this world, dude. I think maybe a tweener character as far as he'll go. You know what I mean? Or maybe traditionally he still acts like a heel, but... i don't i don't think he's I don't think we're going to see a full evil 2015 heel Seth ever again. I think that ship's sailed. he's just He's too beloved at this point. man Same thing with Randy Orton. i mean I don't think Randy Orton could go heel right now even if he wanted to. i think Randy Orton's always going to have Yeah, I think he's going to come out. I think ultimately, I think Randy's going to end turning Cody heel, dude. I think, you know, Randy's going end up being the baby face in the Cody Rhodes story. To me, Cody's the biggest heel, Cody heel run is going to hit like crack, dude.
00:19:54
Speaker
I don't even think Cody needs to change anything, dude. He needs to up the cornball factor like two notches, dude, like become even more wholesome. Yeah. um And people will just hate him once they turn on him, man.
00:20:04
Speaker
i thought I thought we would have been there a couple years ago. obviously he's kept it going, you know, but the babyface stuff, yeah, I think a Cody Hill run will be huge. Overall, I thought Crown Jewel was a good show. thought huge step up from Russell Palooza in the ESPN era of WWE pay-per-views. Yeah, I was highly sports entertained. You guys know I love a nice, tight five-card match. It was a morning show, dude. Five-match cards. Yeah, the morning and the afternoon shows lower the bar so much, man. Absolutely. I think we need to stick with that.
00:20:35
Speaker
One final thing that I do want to point out is that Bronson Reed had a shocking victory over Roman Reigns to me. Penn Roman Reigns. That's a very, very, very short list of names. And I don't want to overlook that. I know the match was like, what you know, it it was a good match, but it wasn't like anything to, you know, compared to the other two matches. I think it's Jey Uso, Cody, and Bronson Reed that defended him. And Jey's was in a tag match. Exactly. So I just feel like...
00:21:02
Speaker
I don't know. That's a big push for Bronson. That's huge, man. Yeah, it's huge that they gave him. I like Bronson Reed. He's good. He's super talented. Yeah, I like Bronson Reed, too. But I just i feel like i mean maybe they just felt like they had to establish him because he was falling, you know being the third man in this ah and this Vision faction, that ah he was kind of just like falling to the wayside. But...
00:21:22
Speaker
i don't know, dude. I thought that was... that That surprised me. I would have never... like You could have asked me 10 times, and 10 times out of 10, I would have said Roman was going to beat him, dude. yeah. Never bet against Roman, dude. Yeah.
WWE's AI Storytelling Rumor
00:21:31
Speaker
So a story came out midweek, man. It's already kind of been walked back at this point. But Dave Meltzer came out reporting that WWE was switching over to AI-based creative for all their storytelling. Oh, my God. I have not even heard that. You even knew from off the jump, like the story pitch was like, bro, this is just so unrealistic. This is just Meltzer with his typical...
00:21:51
Speaker
anti-WWE agenda. um he He had specifically mentioned that that one of the initial storylines that the AI... had ah had spit out was Bobby Lashley returning to WWE w and being obsessed with Japanese culture. Like he's a samurai or something. That is some Vince-era craziness, To me, honestly, people will laugh about it. That sounds like the most interesting thing Bobby Lashley's done since I've been kind of following wrestling. Yeah, I mean, you know, Bobby Lashley specific. But yeah, if they're letting AI generate the ah the storylines, dude, then I just...
00:22:22
Speaker
But no, it already came out. He came out this morning and basically started walking and back saying, oh, people just misinterpreted the initial report. And it's like, dude, you're the one that put it out, man. Like, no, you misinterpreted yourself, dude. Because it looks like theyre they are incorporating some AI technology, but it's going to be used to keep track of stuff so they avoid like continuity errors and like keep stuff straight and historical data and stuff like that. So the same way a lot of companies are using AI nowadays. So I'm sure eventually...
00:22:49
Speaker
AI will, you know, we'll be watching AI wrestlers. We won't even be actually people coming to the ring. I won't watch AI wrestling. I'm putting my my feet in the freaking dirt right now. And I'm going to go, I'm going dig my heels in. And I will not, if they go to AI based wrestlers, I am done. I'm counting me out. Chick-fil-A show will be done. Chick-fil-A, like goodbye. Sayonara. See never. the good The good news is, you know, I think we're ah still probably a decade or so away from that. Cause you know, Dave just kind of jumped gun a little bit on his report, but I got a good chuckle out of that, man.
00:23:18
Speaker
I don't know, man. They already got AI based actresses and everything, dude. It's like a, you know, it's already a thing. Now, what could be cool, right? Obviously, I don't want like Raw to just be computer generated. It would be kind of neat, man, if they could have it easier, like a YouTube special or something on whatever the, you know, if it ends up being on Peacock where it's at, like some AI fantasy matchups, man. i think if you could see like Bronson Reed, you know, Bronson Reed's a known Andre the Giant fanatic. What if you could have an AI simulation do up Bronson Reed against Andre the Giant, dude?
00:23:43
Speaker
You know, full on fantasy warfare type stuff. That would be kind of cool, man. I wouldn't like that either. All right. I mean, why would you not like that? well What would be cool about it? just wouldn't like that, dude. I don't i don't like i don't like AI as a concept. i don't like i just I don't like it, dude. I think real human creativity and real human talent, athleticism, art, music, all of these things, using your actual mind and your body. like i just I can't get behind just like the the push to AI every freaking thing in our lives, dude. like I'm just not here for it, dude. Yeah, I mean, i in general, I agree with that. But if you tell me that like AI put together 22-minute banger of like 2015 Brock Lesnar against like 1997 Bret Hart, I'm 100% checking that out, man. um
00:24:28
Speaker
Let's go. Friday night, Ilya Dragunov makes his long way to return to SmackDown. ah Immediately wins the U.S. Championship from Sami Zayn. What you think Ilya's new bulked-up look with the neck tap? I haven't even seen it. You told me about it, but I have not seen Ilya's new tat. But I mean, he looks like, I mean, I'm sure it's badass, dude, because I love everything that Ilya Dragunov does. Here is the new and imp improved Ilya Dragunov.
00:24:51
Speaker
Dude, I love it, man. I'm here for it. Yeah. I think it looks cool, dude. Pretty wicked. wednesday He doesn't have any other tattoos though, right? Yeah. i was like, that seems pretty intense for a first tattoo. Hey man, you saw it worked for Cody.
00:25:03
Speaker
Cody got the neck tattoo and ended up beating Roman Reigns for the belt. i I would argue that this is a much ah better, more fitting aesthetic tattoo than Cody's tattoo. i've i've i've grown on like Cody's tattoo has grown on me, you know what I mean, over the years. like Obviously when it first happened, it was just absolutely repugned. But I feel like this, you know I don't have any qualms with this at all.
00:25:22
Speaker
Yeah, he's the man. Really good wrestler. Glad to see him getting his due on the main roster. Him and Sammy had a banger romance. If you haven't checked it out, go watch that one. hope I hope he keeps the U.S. Championship Open Challenge going, too.
00:25:33
Speaker
You know, Cody or Sammy Zane brought that back from the the Cena era. i feel like that'd be a nice I feel like that would be a nice little kind of gimmick to attach to the U.S. Championship. to just one I think that'd be great for SmackDown right if you knew every single week you're getting a championship match with a mystery opponent and it seems like that they always that always ends up being like the big work rate match of the week in WWE so um you get a lot more people on the car or on the show yeah and it's an easy way just heat somebody up you don't got to do a big story just let them go have a banger man so I think that should just be the thing for now on like if you get the US championship you know pretty much every single week going to be defending that thing and let that be the
00:26:08
Speaker
Let that be the belt for the guys going out there putting on the Dave Meltzer five-star classics. man and Let me get to WrestleDream
AEW's WrestleDream Review
00:26:14
Speaker
last night. As far as AEW pay-per-views go, this definitely wasn't in the top ten or anything.
00:26:19
Speaker
Still a really good show. right it just go It was definitely right amongst the... you know It met the the typical standard. for AEW on pay-per-view, but you know no major title changes. We saw Mercedes-Monaise won the interim Ring of Honor TV Championship, which why we need an interim Ring of Honor Women's TV Championship. I'll never understand. but Just to give her another belt. So how many belts does she have now?
00:26:39
Speaker
10? think she has 11 or 12 belts at this point. But like... I want to say like nine of them are super, it'd be the equivalent of winning like the Memphis Wrestling Women's Championship. Right. So still cool, man. No shade to Memphis. No shade, but it's yeah yeah if she thinks she's really doing something, I think most fans just find it obnoxious. Maybe that's the point.
00:26:57
Speaker
only there's anybody who's truly in awe or like impressed by any of these belts that she happens to be going around and collecting. um Really big thing, main event, man. I quit match. We saw Sting come back for only the second time. I've got to give AEW props. They've been very judicious on the use of the Stinger. He came back at all-in 2024, and then he came back last night. So only twice since since his last match has he come back to help out Darby.
00:27:22
Speaker
Last night was so cool, man. I actually ended up dozing off on the couch, dude, part of the way into the main event. Brett stayed up with me watching yeah Lights go out. All of a sudden, Brett's freaking out, dude. Waking, you know, dad, dad, get up. And then when stage the lights came up and stings in the ring, it was just huge markout moment, man. So that that got me going. That lets me know it's 100 percent top notch wrestling, dude. If the eight and the nine year olds of the world are going crazy for what you're putting out there.
00:27:46
Speaker
you're doing a pretty dang good job here. But yeah, what'd you think of Sting with his, you know, Gandalf the Great look? You know, i've I've gotten used to it at this point. I feel like if Sting had like went into hiding and then I hadn't i hadn't seen it so many times up until now, I would have been like, what the hell? But I mean, this that's just who Sting is now. I like it. think it's cool. I really hope we get a figure, dude. I hope we get a gray beard Sting figure. yeah I think it's,
00:28:06
Speaker
And think it's a nice way to mark the transition from like retired sting, dude. He almost looks like he's like, like with the white hair and the white beard, he's almost like a ghost coming back to, uh, help out. You I mean? Yeah. I thought it was the ghost of wrestling past. Yeah. I, I, there's some complaints floating around out there about, you know, between the, all the violence we've seen at these two guys. And it ended with a, uh, a scorpion death lock. But I think, you know, yeah he's got the sting rub, dude. So if he does, if he does the sharpshooter scorpion death lock, it hurts 10 times worse than if,
00:28:35
Speaker
absolutely anybody else does it man i thought it was a cool visual like i'm never gonna be mad at that whole you know staying at bret hard are my two favorite ever so i'm never gonna be mad at that move finishing off a um a pay-per-view. Yeah. So yeah, I was down with it, man. thought it was cool. What did you think of the fish tank being used as a weapon? You know, we see it brought in, you know, Mox holding Darby's head down in the fish tank. And then it looked like there was going to be some sort of like another spot with the fish tank at the end, but Sting came out and smashed it with his baseball bat. So I was nervous, man. There were still some big shards of glass up. I was like, don't nobody fall on one of these pieces of glass and just die here in the middle room. Yeah, I don't know that I've ever seen a fish tank in wrestling before. So that was a first. We need to take it up a notch next time like some piranhas in there, dude. Remember when you were a kid, how scary piranhas were going to thought piranhas were going to be a bigger part of life they were going be. Piranhas and quicksand. Those seem like they were going to be threats that need to be alert for at all times. Yeah. But dude, terrarium glass is like, I mean, I don't know how it is now because I haven't had a terrarium or an aquarium in many, many years. That shit would hurt me. It's thin, but it's also very, it's like, it's thin.
00:29:36
Speaker
thick though dude i think it's like strong it's strong glass and it's like and it's not like the glass that like has the tape in between it where it just kind of like uh that what's it called compression glass or like an impact glass or whatever no this stuff's shattering yeah it's gonna like shatter off into a shard that will just like take your yeah that's what it's like i feel like it's it's it's strong enough that it's it's gonna like freaking you're not gonna smash through it right it's gonna stick if you fall on it but it's still thin enough that it's gonna slice your ass up oh yeah it's like yeah the worst kind of glass to fall on if you were using a wrestling match yeah absolutely Pretty cool visuals. Sting bashing up the the the fish tank. And then, you know, Mox kind of be almost like face down in the water. day The water kind of just ended up pooling in the ring there. It made for a really cool visual as Darby put him in.
00:30:16
Speaker
the uh scorpion death lock so another good show if you haven't checked it out yet definitely i think it's definitely worth your money to uh to go the jurassic express young bucks match was another tremendous one i'd say outside of of hangman and samoa joe and uh darby and mox if you're going to go back and watch one more match that jurassic express young bucks was well worth the price of admission um that's really it for the week in wrestling sheen we got any listener mail oh yeah
00:30:47
Speaker
Our man Johnny JP with Halloween around the corner. Have you guys decided on costumes for you and the family? At one point me and Brett, we're going to a tag team costume. We're going to be the tasty boys from Fortnite, but then Brett switched up. He went from, uh,
00:31:01
Speaker
from one game costume to another. And it looks like he's wanting to be, uh, his character from fall guys. Zombying. Yeah. If you check out fall guys, it's pretty fun. It's like basically there was like a kid's version of squid games, almost is what it is. So yeah. Yeah. And Stella wants to be a, um, a haunted cheerleader, like a, you know, dead cheerleader, zombie cheerleader type situation.
00:31:20
Speaker
I will, you know, i used to go hardcore in the Halloween costumes. The last, since the kids were born, I've always worn this, um, uh, are old enough to go trick or treating, uh, I'm wearing like a skeleton onesie type situation every Halloween.
00:31:32
Speaker
And Seth's not really into dressing up, but he would do it if, if the kids, uh, you know, wanted to. So he was, I was really excited for him to go as the tasty boys. Uh, but, uh, we haven't got costumes yet. Maybe you can get Brett to pivot the last second.
00:31:44
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. He felt bad. He was like, ah we were going to do a whole family fortnight costume. Just like, you know, i was going to be Peely bones and c Sissy was going to be someone else. So Yeah, we're still we're so ah wavering on the Halloween costumes over here.
00:31:56
Speaker
ah Tony Barker, in honor of the passing of Kiss guitarist Ace Frehley. that how you say his name? Frehley? Big Kiss fan over here. ah Yeah. Do you guys have a favorite Kiss song? I don't have a favorite Kiss song. Kiss was like, um you know, obviously like 70s, you know, like I'm i'm more versed on like 80s and 90s type, that type of music. But yes, it's a little bit. why not You can't even you don't got like, you know, rock and roll all night, party every day.
00:32:20
Speaker
You don't got any Kiss songs you can think of that you love? Shout It Out Loud, maybe. Is that Kiss? Yeah, I think so. I thought that was like Motley Crue. don't think Shout, Shout, Shout. you tell about that one?
00:32:31
Speaker
No, not Shout It. These are the... No, that's not the one I'm thinking of. Dude, I got a Dark Horseman. It's definitely one of the more famous songs, but I loved this song as a kid, and I still think it kind of bangs as a... Okay, so Sheena's going Shout It Out Loud.
00:32:44
Speaker
I think this one kind of bangs, dude, for a late-era Kiss song, but it was off of the soundtrack to... um Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, right? The sequel um to Excellent Adventure.
00:32:56
Speaker
and In the movie, it's the Wild Stallions song from when they go the future and got to come back to the past and play it. It's a song called God Gave Rock and Roll to You, but it was actually performed by Kiss for the soundtrack of that movie. I said performed by the Wild Stallions in the movie, actually performed by Kiss.
00:33:10
Speaker
Check out God Gave Rock and Roll to You. It's a banger of a power ballad. Tony Barker also asks, if you could own one championship title display or wear around the house, which would you pick? I go dual, the classic dual plated winged eagle, man, all the way. the so the The early version of it, not the all gold one that they had in the ninety s Like when Hulk first got it, it was like half silver, half gold. So I'll go with the dual plated winged eagle.
00:33:32
Speaker
um Probably Smoke and Skull. That's good one too. the snakeskin snake skin on the inside. Yeah. That's a good choice. Yeah. I'll go with Smoke and Skull built. He says, Tony also asked, with the news that Death Rebels contract is coming up, what do you hope to see the WWE do with their theme music situation? Dude, I want them to just go old school ECW style. Let's just go licensed music, man.
00:33:55
Speaker
yeah nothing They're making enough money now. They're making enough money. There's no reason we couldn't use licensed music. Nothing goes harder than just using licensed music, man. So that that would be my pick. When it makes sense. Now, if it's somebody, yeah you know there are some bangers, dude. they're like I can't imagine them with anything other than what they got right now. But for anybody else coming up, yeah, let's go licensed, man. Something that reflects them. Something cool. and like Yeah, I think that work.
00:34:16
Speaker
I agree. um Johnny JB, favorite Halloween candy? I'm a Snickers man myself, but I also love candy corn. Yeah, I said it. ah So i won I won't just go with like my favorite candy because I really love Airheads. I say something that I typically only really eat around Halloween that I always kind of look forward to is like the little mini Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Not like, you know, you always end getting ton of those, like a little foil wrap joints. I feel like you always see a ton of those. Yeah. Dude, the foil, the small foil wraps are the best, I think. I think like they just have a ah perfect ratio of like, like peanut butter and chocolate. um
00:34:49
Speaker
More so than just like the individually wrapped, like regular size. Yeah. Reese cups. But yeah, i like I like the foil. I'm going with those just because I really don't eat those anytime outside of Halloween, but they're always pretty good. Something that I don't eat outside of Halloween, because I only ever really see it in Halloween mixed bags of candy, is nerds. I know nerds have had a resurgence with the nerd ropes and nerd clusters and all that kind of stuff. But just loose nerds, dude, those things hit so hard, man. You just put the whole box in your mouth and just let it freaking dissolve, dude. I love... Are you chewer? you chew your nerds you let them just melt? I let them, I let them melt until they get to a certain point then I'll start chewing them. But yeah, it's a, yeah, you gotta go, you gotta go freaking box to the face, dude. We'll pause.
00:35:29
Speaker
Um, but you know what i mean? It's favorite way to eat. Yeah. But dude, nerds, uh, I, I, I'm sad that they don't sell like the, the twin pack of nerds anymore where it was like one flavor on one side and yeah other flavor on the other side. And just the variety. i feel like all you see now is just the pink and the pink and purple. that's All kinds of different flavors of nerds. Yeah. They have banana nerds, watermelon nerds, like all kinds of different one so yeah i'll say nerds are my favorite because they really only come out in uh in halloween variety i remember there was like watermelon dude it was like one side was like green and then the other side was like a pinkish orange type color can't remember what they well they had one side was watermelon well they had green they had green apple nerds i think there's all kinds of flavors blue yeah blue raspberry yeah we need to get on some of the online like candy boutiques they may still exist but they're just made in small batches yeah
00:36:12
Speaker
um Sam Rosenthal what did you think of WrestleDream we talked about WrestleDream good show yeah i had to middle of the road as far as AW pay-per-views go but that still puts it in like the top 10 or 15 percent of any wrestling show that's out there ah Sam also asks your prediction for the 2026 Royal Rumble winners and do you think it being in Saudi affects who wins I don't think it being in Saudi affects who wins I don't think they're gonna go with like a hometown like like a Sammy or something like that ah oh god if Mansoor wins the Rumble like we just need to cash it in dude We just need to go ahead and call it quits. But um yeah, I don't think, I don't think the location in this particular. I think returning live Morgan could be, I don't know exactly what her medicine prognostication is. I think returning live Morgan could be fun.
00:36:55
Speaker
And i would say on the the main roster, dude, you know, I think we got to see what happens with the Seth situation. I don't got a solid pick, right? If you had asked me a couple weeks would said Braun Breaker. I was going to say Braun Breaker, yeah. Yeah, but I don't know. Seth thing probably kind of potentially is jumbling that up. I would have said Braun Breaker wins, and then that leads to, you know, Seth versus Braun.
00:37:13
Speaker
Yeah. mania With, with Braun going over, but I don't know. I don't know what happens now. You could always put in somebody like a sure thing, like a Drew McIntyre or something. You know what mean? Randy Orton always in the mix. Roman always in the mix. CM Punk. Yeah. You got any of the main eventers are so well established at this point that you could have them win and then do the story after the fact, right? They don't need much hype to win it.
00:37:34
Speaker
um But if you ask me somebody for like a come up, like how Jey Uso did last year, I'll still stick with Braun Breaker with the big asterisk. And we got to see what happens with this, uh, with this update on Seth Rollins. He's really, yeah, he's really the only one to me that makes any sense as far as like storyline wise from what we've established so far. You know, i think, I think as far as just like, not, I don't want to call him a mid car guy, but like, he needs to step up though. He's not a main event yet. Yes. As great as he is, he's not, he still needs some stuff. He's not there yet.
00:38:00
Speaker
Yeah. Um, I'm going to toss this one to you. Sam asks from a pure elimination match standpoint, what is your favorite survivor series? Um, Favorite match or favorite Survivor Series? I guess Survivor Series match because it from it from an elimination match standpoint. like if ah So if you're asking for like the pre, while they were still doing like it was still elimination match heavy, I'll go Survivor Series 95, man. So that one's got two two really good elimination matches for different reasons, man. So first off, you had the Undertaker's team against King Mabel's team. This was Undertaker's first time back after getting his face busted by Mabel. He debuted the Phantom of the Opera mask deal at this show.
00:38:37
Speaker
And Undertaker just wrecks ass, dude. He basically eliminates the entire team by himself once he gets tagged in. And it's super entertaining, dude. It's jerry it's it's Isaac Yankum, Jerry Lawler, Triple H, and Mabel on the other side. And it's one of the most like beast mode displays we've ever seen from The Undertaker. And then they had the wildcard match. This was something that they only did one time.
00:38:58
Speaker
But they got basically the top eight, you know, the top four heels, top four babyfaces in the company besides Bret and Diesel because they were fighting in the main event for the belt that night. um And just they mixed it up, right? They, you know, randomly, I'm doing the air quotes, they randomly selected the teams, but it was heels and faces going against heels and faces and in an elimination match. And there's just a lot of good...
00:39:18
Speaker
uh, twists and turns. So there's two great elimination matches on Survivor Series 95. Actually three, because the opening match is the underdogs against the Body Donnas. So it was a team led by Marty Jannetty and Barry Horowitz. think they Hikushi on there, went up against a heel team with, uh, the Body Donnas, one, two, three kid. And I forget who the fourth one was, but it's a banger of a match, dude. Think if like a classic WCW Cruiserweight match, but put into a Survivor Series elimination format, uh,
00:39:41
Speaker
So you got that one. And then the main event in Survivor Series 95 is Bret Diesel and ah awesome no DQ match. So, yeah, Survivor Series 95 was my favorite of the era. The era before it just went to Survivor Series is like its own pay-per-view.
00:39:53
Speaker
Well, there you go, Sam. um I knew, I knew to kick that one over to our resident historian. I knew he would have something teed up for you. And Sam has the final question. Who are your current favorite men and women wrestlers not named Seth Rollins?
00:40:07
Speaker
um my I would say obviously Roman Reigns. I think that one's obvious. I won't go with, I won't go with the obvious. I would say maybe Jacob Fatu. I really love Jacob. I hope that, um you know, he gets, he gets his due and really has a, has a come up and, you know, comes back and,
00:40:21
Speaker
You know, just Rex House, dude, because I really like Jacob Fatu. It's kind of like an underdog pick outside of Seth and Roman and Cody. Outside of Seth and Roman, man, I'll go Will Ospreay, dude. I feel like AEW has really missed Will Ospreay since he left to go have his neck surgery. And I think when he comes back, it's just going to be gigantic, dude. I liked Will Ospreay before, but I didn't realize how much I liked him until he's been gone.
00:40:44
Speaker
So I'm really anticipating his return. I think it's going to be tremendous, man. So I hope they just – don't slow play it. Don't have him come back on some random dynamite to do whatever, dude, to feud with the Callis family. Like when this dude comes back, it needs to be huge, and he needs to go straight for the top, dude, going for the belt. So I'm looking forward to to Will Ospreay coming back, the Billy Goat.
00:41:03
Speaker
What about women? Women? um Maria's at the top for me. I love Rhea Ripley. I really like what Blake Monroe's been doing on NXT, man. It took a little bit to get going, but I feel like she's kind of in her groove now with WWE. So I'll go with her, man. I'm really enjoying it. and I think she's going to, I think she said earlier this week that she's down to really kind of, that I think, you know, she's smart, dude. For as young as she is, she seems super self-aware of how things are in the wrestling game. She talked about how, because i think they asked her if she was disappointed that they had her starting in NXT. And she was like, no, it's so crowded. There's so many established ladies right now that,
00:41:34
Speaker
She wants kind of build her buzz up, build her brand with WWE while in NXT. So that way it's a huge deal when she shows up in the main roster. So yeah, I'll go Blake Monroe.
00:41:47
Speaker
Yeah, my underdog pick, I would say probably Chelsea Green, dude. So entertaining, dude. She is like any wrestler that's got like a bad attitude or like is complaining about like their booking, dude. If I was like running the company, I'd be like, look what Chelsea's done, man. She's just, she's slowly worked her way up the card by making the absolute most of whatever she's given to whatever segment they give her on TV each week. She goes all out with it, dude. And makes it the most entertaining thing it can be, man. So yeah. Props, props to Chelsea, dude. Like she, she is, she's the type of person that like, you don't even realize it. And you look up and you're like, Oh shit. Like they've been in WWE for, you know,
00:42:22
Speaker
13 years now you know i mean their run is like you know lasting longer than some of these people we consider to be the all-time great um yeah so i i uh agree man i'll go to chelsea green's a great pick all right and that wraps up our listener mail for today all right sheen i want to remind the listeners use code chick foley to save 10 at ringside collectibles and visit www.chickfoley.com to find all things chick hit us with some closing thoughts and we'll get out of here ah Closing thoughts.
Halloween Movie Recommendations
00:42:48
Speaker
um We're coming up on Halloween. So I just want to encourage you to get out there, watch some spooky movies and hit me up in my DMs on Instagram or Facebook and let me know what you're watching because we're we're winding down and we want to make sure that we hit all the all the classics.
00:43:21
Speaker
Bye.