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E100: Bonus Episode
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It's finally here-- the bonus episode you've all been waiting for! Maggie and Allison share some case updates, read some Facebook comments, and answer some questions. Make sure you wait until the end to play the "Are you more like Allison or Maggie?" Game! Thank you, Sleuthhounds, for being so supportive of our podcast! Here's to the next 100 episodes!!
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Podcast Introduction and Engagement
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Speaker
Welcome to Coffee and Cases, where we like our coffee hot and our cases cold. My name is Allison Williams. And my name is Maggie Dameron.
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We will be telling stories each week in the hopes that someone out there with any information concerning the case will take those tips to law enforcement so justice and closure can be brought to these families. With each case, we encourage you to continue in the conversation on our Facebook page, Coffee and Cases podcast, and to follow us on Instagram at Coffee Cases podcast and on TikTok
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at Coffee and Case's podcast because as these families know, conversation helps to keep their missing family member in the public consciousness, helping to keep their memories alive. So sit back, sip your coffee, and listen to what's brewing this week.
Celebrating Milestones and Sharing Insights
00:01:24
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Welcome to our bonus episode, our 100th. This is big, Maggie. It is big. It's exciting. It's super exciting.
00:01:36
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And since today is a day for celebration, we figured that we were going to let you get to know us a little bit better. We'll give you some case updates.
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And we'll read some of our favorite comments that you guys have sent to us and we'll just kind of cycle through those things. I will go ahead and tell you Maggie and I had probably about what would you say Maggie 10 cases each that have updates. Yeah, probably. But we were not we didn't feel like we could give some of those cases.
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justice, we couldn't really delve into all 20 cases that we had to give updates. So we just picked a few of them for this update. And soon we'll do another update episode with some information about other ones. So you get multiples. Yes, that's right. Multiple bonus. Boni? No. No.
Choosing Cases and Personal Stories
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That sounds dirty. Yeah, that would not be good. Bonuses.
00:02:35
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Okay, so first we figured maybe we'll answer a couple questions about the podcast that we get asked. The first is how we come up with our cases for each week.
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So I think this varies. So I know that like we're covering a lot of like lesser known cases. So Allison was really great about posting on like 7,000 different Facebook groups asking for case suggestions and we got like literally pages of suggestions. I think we have enough to last us one a week for like six years. Pretty sure.
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And that's just what we have so far. And we still have more coming in. So. And like, of course, some of them are like messages that listeners send us. And then we're like, oh, we really have to cover that. Right. Yeah. Usually Maggie and I have like an idea of where we're going in our next three to four. But there are times when we get messages and we're like, oh, we're going to have to put some of those on the back burner and do this one right now. And there's sometimes two that I feel like
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I want to do something that's a little different. So like I'll just Google.
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like strange and soft murders in the United States or wherever, and then pick one that I haven't heard of before. Again, on our school computers. So, Sleuthhounds, if we ever get in trouble, please back us up and let our supervisors know that it was for research purposes only. Well, it's not on my school computer because my district literally blocks everything.
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Well mine all is so if I get in trouble I'll bail you out. Yeah thanks Maggie. The second question is a personal one for you Maggie. So we all know that you love animals. True. So give us a rundown of all of the animals that you have in your household. Okay so at one point you all know we had three dogs and three cats and then
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Boomer the lab great Dane we had to put down because his epilepsy was out of control and we were spending like $400 a month on epilepsy medicine and it wasn't any better Then we had to put which was really sad because he was so good and then we had to put our cat down Hermes because he had Bladder cancer that he would not have survived surgery. So then we were at two cats and two dogs So we have Emma
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Who is the German shepherd husky mix. She is 10 next week. And we have her early birthday, Emma. And she's the best we have Roxy. She's a border collie. We don't know how old she is because she was a stray, but we figure like eight ish. And then we have Aries, who's my orange cat and he's my baby. And then we have bail, who is also another cat and she's like five pounds of
00:05:43
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Cuckoo she's like a crack head. She just runs around everywhere And then Anthony decided he wanted a fish so now I have a fish and it's like some Star Wars name Akbar but I call him Archie because I can't remember if that's what the name is And something like that
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Yeah and um and um just recently we were doing yard work and a cat came out from underneath our building outside and Anthony said can I bring him in just until we find who owns him and then we never found who owned him and no one claimed him so we kept him and his name's Louie and he's 20 pounds and long hair and orange.
Revisiting the Dyatlov Pass Incident
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you should have named him garfield we talked about garfield and we talked about crook shanks because you guys know i love harry potter but he just really looks like a louis okay okay that's fair that's fair okay so now maggie and i will get into a few case updates and then we're going to read some comments so listen for your name if you gave us a comment on our facebook page
00:06:54
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So for my case update, Maggie, I'm going way back, way back to episodes two and three, Dyatt-Love-Pass. These are my favorites. They're my favorite to date that we've done.
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Yes. Well, because it's so weird. Yes. So I'm just going to do like super quick synopsis of the Diala Pass, but please go back and listen to that episode just so you remember all of the different things you're talking about. The episodes. Yes. So remember this case involved a group of friends from the Ural Polytechnical Institute in Russia, names that we struggled to say.
00:07:33
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But they were going for their grade three hiker certification in late January 1959, and they applauded out their trip to and from O'Torton Mountain and Colette Seachel, which was going to be a 16 day trip.
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but a trip from which they never returned and remember Maggie these were skilled hikers and I had almost forgotten until I went back to the episode myself and I did the episode. Yeah, that shows you my memory especially right now. It's all foggy, but the injuries were super weird once they were finally found and
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Yeah, it wasn't like they were missing clothes and like one had one like one sock but not another one. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So like some of the weird things about the case were like there was evidence their footprints they could tell that they had left their their tent calmly.
00:08:35
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Like in a hurry which was weird and there were no footprints like leading into it right yeah and there was like a rip in the side of the tent. But it looked like it had come from the outside.
00:08:49
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And they were found in, like you said, Maggie, all different states of undress. Their injuries weren't consistent with one another. Like some had burns. Some had abrasions from a seeming fistfight. One had a fractured frontal lobe. One had injuries that they said were typical only of somebody who had been struck by a car. One had missing eyeballs and a different one had a
Updates on Nancy Eagleson's Case
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missing tongue. Oh, I forgot about the tongue. Oh, yeah.
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I know. So for theories, in episode three, Maggie and I talked about tons, like secret Russian experiments, ball lightning, yetis. It was super fun. But I do remember that we dismissed hypothermia, which was listed as the cause of death for everybody, basically. All of them, yeah. And we're like, really? How does hypothermia cause? A missing tongue. Yeah, or fractured frontal lobe. It doesn't.
00:09:46
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And then we also poo-pooed the idea of avalanche just because it was too boring and they left their tent calmly. Right. So, but as your update, National Geographic actually published an article on January 28th of 2021 on the Dyatlov Pass mystery.
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National Geographic cites an article from Communications Earth and Environment Journal, which states that researchers legitimately, Maggie, like this is not a joke, using information from car crash experiments and the movie Frozen. Who knew that Frozen was? It's all a mystery. Yeah, exactly. But that's what they used. And they have decided
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that a, quote, bizarrely small delayed avalanche may have been responsible for the gruesome injuries and deaths of nine experienced hikers, end quote. So while it doesn't
00:10:48
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Most people still dismiss the avalanche theory because they're like, oh, they're still just trying to cover something up. I'm not saying that they're wrong, but they also say, well, it can be an avalanche because the incline of the slope was too mild for an avalanche to happen. It wasn't steep enough that nothing happened to trigger one, plus some of the injuries don't match.
00:11:11
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You know, again, my point that I just made, if they were walking away from science, like I'm not going to be walking away from an avalanche. I'm going to be running. But these specialists disagree. So geotechnical engineer, which sounds super highfalutin.
00:11:29
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geotechnical engineer Alexander Puzrin and Johan Guam, head of the Snow Avalanche Simulation Laboratory. What? I want to work there. That sounds like a lot of fun, but I've never heard of such a thing. But yes, so these are experts. They actually teamed up to prove
00:11:50
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that all these reasons people give that it can't be an avalanche are wrong. So they basically said the slope is deceptive. Like it looked mild, but it really wasn't, that it was even after an avalanche. So it's like they're really coming to my traveling. Yeah. Deceptive.
00:12:10
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Especially according to the kid that was on his skateboard and went down that hill and wiped out and we had to call his mommy because he like had to go to the ER for stitches. Yeah. It was like a week after we moved into this house.
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Oh, so yes, like Maggie's driveway. And they also argued that an earthquake could have caused the avalanche. So like an earthquake like distant, you know, and it's like an after effect of it. Ultimately, they argue that it was a perfect storm of elements and that it was that avalanche caused by the earthquake.
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and catabatic winds, you'll have to go back to the episode to hear about those, that all of those things together resulted in those injuries and deaths. But I don't know about you Maggie, I still prefer ball lightning. I think I'm so alone with Yeti.
00:13:04
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Yeah. OK, what do you got for a case update? OK, so my case update, the first one anyways, is for Nancy Eagleson, which really isn't like a super old episode. I don't even remember what number it is, but it's relatively new. And I spoke on the phone with Nancy's baby sister, Meryl,
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And I have a lot of new information that I wanted to bring to you guys. So her sister Meryl says that she's always investigating and looking for new information regarding Nancy's case. And that even though she wasn't alive at the time Nancy was killed, she feels she owes it to Nancy to continue to fight for justice for her.
00:13:47
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I totally get that. That's admirable. And like it's a lot of research and that took a lot of notes during this phone call. But through this research that she has done she has uncovered that a lot of what like we would consider to be like credible or reliable sources really
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aren't reliable and credible sources. So a lot of misinformation that's out there in the media. Yeah. So it appears that over the years information surrounding Nancy's death has been misconstrued. Question.
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is though, were these errors intentional or were they accidental? And many in the Eagleson family feel that they were intentional. Like to the point that Meryl was saying, like if the car that took Nancy, if the family members reported it was a tan car, it would show up in the newspaper as like a black car. Oh.
00:14:55
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Yeah, and you'd think those details would be important that news media would get it right. Right, because you feel like you could trust them. But I am going to retell a very quick version of the timeline, according to Meryl, because some of her details were different than what the sources we talked about
00:15:22
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said. But before we do that, Meryl is currently working with Uncovered to investigate some findings in Nancy's case, which we'll kind of talk about toward the end. OK. So as I reported early or in this episode, you will remember that Nancy had gone to church that day. Remember, she had like the brand new pair of high heels. And that was like a family trait, like
00:15:52
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their mom wore high heels all the time and like Nancy had started to want to be like her mom and had you know got her first pair of high heels. Oh so this would be like if my sleuth hound.
00:16:04
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Yeah, and one of some high heels. That's right So Merrill recalled from childhood that her father was the only driver in the household and so as a result Nancy actually went to church with her Aunt we're on it. However, you prefer to say that word. I say and me too and all my some a lot of my students say on it and then I'm like now I'm Second-guessing how apart my hair and second-guessing how I say the word and so anyways so
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Nancy goes to church with her aunt and according to Meryl when church was over Nancy's aunt couldn't find her like she looked everywhere in the church for her and She was like, you know what? I bet Nancy just walked home. So she leaves and As a result Allison Nancy actually was forced to walk home because then Nancy was at church and she's like looking for her aunt but her aunt's already left So she ends up walking home, but it was only like five or so blocks. It wasn't like, you know, I
00:17:04
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Super long trick. Okay, but Nancy's moms would later say that when Nancy got back home She joked saying like this was her unlucky day that she had lost her ring and then she had to walk home from church So she was like, this is my unlucky day in her high heels. Yeah in her little high heels. Yeah so Nancy and her little sister Cheryl do go to a
00:17:31
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double matinee movie that started around 2.30 according to Merrill. So the two probably leaves the movie theater no longer than 6.30.
00:17:40
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OK, so that's not that late. No. And remember, this is like when they walk to the like little restaurant called Johnson's, they get the coke. And this is where Merrill says they actually would go like kind of diagonal, like in like a little Z sort of from this restaurant to the bowling alley where their father worked.
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and Nancy and little sister Cheryl would ask their father for a ride home and like what her dad said like I could totally hear like my grandpa or my dad saying so Nancy's like dad my feet are really sore can you just give us a ride home and like to which the dad replied like you wore those shoes you're walking home in those shoes like you decided to wear them you're walking home in them right
00:18:30
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But, and we know he said that because one of the workers at the bowling alley would later say, yeah, he had told her to walk home, but Nancy's father never lived down the fact that he told Nancy to walk home. And that's sad. Yeah, it is.
00:18:49
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you know, because it's on that walk home from the movie theater, just as Nancy and Cheryl are like crossing a bridge on highway 111, they turn around a corner, like this is pretty much where everything takes place. So we talked about
00:19:06
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that Cheryl ran to a house after Nancy was taken, which is true. But I didn't realize that Nancy was actually taken from the foot of that driveway. So they were pretty much in front of this house. I thought it was a secluded kind of area, but they were in front of this house. Oh. Yes.
00:19:29
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And this house wasn't just like a random stranger's house. This was like their babysitter's house. So like if they had to go somewhere and they needed a babysitter. This is who would watch like the little siblings. So
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Cheryl actually tells Nancy on three separate occasions like as they're walking toward home that she feels they're being followed and each time Nancy just kind of like shishes her and like keeps going they like stop and look in a window at like a store and they keep going and Then you know, they get closer to this house Someone on the way even stops to ask him if they need a ride Nancy politely declines and
00:20:14
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then just like everything kind of goes crazy. So Meryl says that the car that took Nancy was actually facing the wrong direction in traffic when like purposefully pulled up next to them.
00:20:28
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Yeah, like kind of turn around, went on the wrong side, purposely pulled up next to them. So the person pulls over, grabs Nancy, throws her into the backseat, and something that wasn't reported, unless I'm going crazy because I can't remember anything, so that's possible too, is that little Cheryl like jumped onto the killer's back to try to like get him off of Nancy. And I don't remember reading that anywhere, but that was what Meryl said.
00:20:57
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And he actually throws her to the ground and that's when she runs up to that house for help. And she says that she sees the car speed away and Nancy's head is like lying back kind of looking up at the ceiling of the car. And so that leads Meryl to think that maybe she was drugged like chloroform because they said that Cheryl smelled something weird. Yeah.
00:21:27
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or that she was already dead, like was shot and Cheryl just didn't hear it as she was running to the house. Um, the babysitters even kind of like, Oh, you're so funny. Like Nancy's going to jump out any second, but then sees like her purse on their driveway and then realizes like, Oh, this is real. Yeah.
00:21:51
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So Nancy's parents remember they go out searching, but I didn't know that they were in two separate cars. And when the car that the mom was in like the group. She was with, they get to like a certain area of their searching and they're actually told by the sheriff's office to turn around like you can't come here. We've already searched this area like you just need to turn around.
00:22:13
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And like through my entire conversation with Meryl, I got the impression that they do not really trust the sheriff's department. It's not something that she keeps secret. She told me that she would say it right to their faces. She would say it to whoever. She does not agree with how Nancy's case was handled. And there are some parts of it that I can see her point there.
00:22:42
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So we all know that when there's a crime scene, right, that the area should be roped off. Yes. So Nancy is not found very long after she's gone missing and she's found remember by two raccoon hunters and
00:23:00
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like in the woods and she's been shot like kind of underneath the chin area which some reports said the face but I guess if we want to be specific it was like the chin area and Meryl says it that that kind of even sits with her kind of weird because I guess the one of those men was like Nancy's friend's father and
00:23:24
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She was over at their house a lot and like there was just some weird things that went on there that maybe he could have been more involved than what police thought. But regardless, she says that the area wasn't roped off. People were just coming and going into the crime scene like random people, not even police officers. So basically the entire crime scene is like compromised. Yeah.
00:23:52
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Meryl also told me in our phone conversation that Nancy's clothes were once accounted for. So remember, I think we talked about all we really have is a shoe. And she said that that originally was not the case, that she spoke with officers that said, yes, I have seen her clothes, right? Okay.
00:24:16
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But now her clothes are not accounted for. She said that when DNA testing became available for Nancy's case in like 1985, I think she said, she went to the sheriff's office like asking for Nancy's clothing to be tested to which her response was, what clothing? Like, yeah. So all of her clothes just randomly disappeared.
00:24:40
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Except for the shoe. Remember they found a shoe like in the basement of this jail when it was being remodeled. Like behind a wall or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which was later found out to be built like in 1985. Just saying.
00:25:01
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Um, another thing that she talked about was that Cheryl, you know, we talked about she did go undergo hypnosis with a local doctor in town. And she actually would go like through three or four different sessions. And she said each time her parents were able to sit in on those sessions until the final session when the doctor was supposed to get Cheryl to reveal like, the person that had
00:25:27
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taken Nancy and she says on this visit they were told they had to wait in the lobby which you know in that time you people didn't like really question authority so they were like right we'll wait in the lobby yeah
00:25:40
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Cheryl every time previous had like gone under fine, everything had went fine, like answering questions and all this. And she said in just a few minutes, Cheryl came back out with a doctor and the doctor's like, she wouldn't go under, like this is, it's over now. And like they never called the family again. Like no more hypnosis sessions, like it was over. And she believes that Cheryl named the killer, but it was someone that no one wanted her to say.
Family Efforts and Community Support
00:26:08
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Because if you remember like the sheriff says it's like some prisoner that's in from Michigan or something that it's an out-of-towner Well, the Eagleson family believes it was a local in town Like why do they think that? Oh, yeah, cuz they were yeah, there wasn't there a
00:26:28
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Somebody, I think it was related to the police department who's like cruiser or something had just gotten. Yeah, like new seat, new upholstery in the streets. Yeah. So they think that it's somebody in the town. And Nancy's mom actually would get several letters after Nancy was killed. And one even stated that it was a mistake that it was supposed to be the mom that was taken.
00:26:56
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And Meryl says, like, from the back, Nancy and the mom could have been twins. Uh, that's creepy. OK. And she says there was a man in town that was in love with her mom, and the mom, like, didn't return those feelings, and that she thinks it could have been connected with this man. Oh.
00:27:25
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She told me another chilling story after Nancy's death. I think I mentioned that the family stayed at the grandparents' house for a while, you know, like until things kind of settled down. They felt safe going home. Well, one night, Nancy's mom's washing dishes. She steps out of the room, and when she does, she tells Cheryl, like, be careful. There are glasses I just washed on the counter, so you don't want to knock them over to get cut. She leaves the room, and she hears, like, a gut-wrenching scream.
00:27:53
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And so she runs back in thinking that Cheryl is going to be covered in blood with cuts because she's knocked over a glass. But instead she finds her just standing there looking at the door, like the back door to the outside. And it had been pried open with a screwdriver. So she's seeing somebody trying to get in at her.
00:28:14
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Yes. And she said to her family that that was the man that took Nancy. So they believed that they were coming back to get Cheryl so that there were no more witnesses. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And what's even more creepy is that when the family finally does return home, their phone lines have been cut. And so they leave again. The dad's like, we're getting out of here. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:43
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and Cheryl also said to her family and so the sister that was with Nancy that as an early teen she was walking home from school and someone was just like standing on the sidewalk staring at her and she says without a doubt she knows that was the man that killed Nancy.
00:29:00
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oh my gosh that has to be terrifying yeah so she said three times in her life she has seen the man that killed her sister just freely on the street so there are some updates with nancy's case that merrill and i spoke about but that i can't report yet to you sleuth hounds
00:29:19
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But I'm hoping that here pretty soon we will be able to have those reports for you. But in the meantime, they are starting up a GoFundMe account for Nancy's case because as you can imagine, expenses do mount up when you're basically hiring your own investigators for a case. And they have a lot of really interesting and maybe even groundbreaking things they're trying to do for Nancy.
00:29:48
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through this GoFundMe page and she has promised to share that link with me when it's all set up and when she does that I'll share it for our listeners as well. That sounds awesome. Yeah and so that was the chunk of what we talked about on the phone.
00:30:07
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That is awesome. A good update, Maggie. Thank you. And thank you, Meryl. Yes. OK, let's read some of our listener comments. OK. This one is from Kara, who said, absolutely love listening to your show while riding my bike on the towpath. That is until someone passes me and I almost jump off my seat. I feel that. I feel that.
00:30:33
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I was at school. So the day I talked to Meryl, I was at school until like 7 30, like to pass the time when they turn the lights off in the hallway. And schools get really creepy when that happens and that and I was like, I'm finishing this conversation in my car, like went out to my car.
00:30:49
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That reminds me of when we did the dial-up past episode and Maggie was like, Allison, I'm going to have to go home alone and you don't know what you've done to me. Yeah. And what was the one that I had to come upstairs when we were doing it? Was it the watcher? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Maggie was like, Allison, you're going to have to pause. I have to be near Anthony. I'm scared.
00:31:17
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Okay, the next one we have is from Denise, and she says, Maggie and Allison do a phenomenal job with coffee and cases. No matter what else is in my queue, as soon as a new episode is up, it is next up. I'm a knitter and a walker, have a master doing them simultaneously, and I pop in earbuds and can't wait to listen no matter what I'm doing. Congratulations on episode 100. Denise, I can't...
00:31:43
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I can knit a really great chain stitch. That's as far as I got. Look at you. I can't do anything like that. I can't even walk without tripping, so let alone knit and walk. You'll get there one day, Denise. You'll get there. Yeah, let us know. That's right.
00:32:01
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The next one is actually from my cousin Summer. She said, love listening to my cousin Allison's podcasts. Congratulations on your 100th episode. Thank you, Summer. So the next one that we have is Madison. And that is the most unique way I've seen Madison spilled.
00:32:26
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That's one of my students, one of my old students right there. Aw, that's sweet. I know. And she says, congratulations on 100 episodes. This has been my favorite podcast since it came out. The work you guys do is incredible. I've loved listening, and I am beyond proud to say I am a former student with a hard faith. Aw, I love Madison. I love all my kids. So sweet. I know.
00:32:55
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Our next one is from Lynn, who said, congratulations on your 100th episode from the UK. So from across the pond. I love to listen to your podcast on my lunch break at work. You work very well together, and I like the fact that you're trying to bring some of the lesser known cases to the forefront. Keep up the great work, ladies. Thank you, Lynn. We love you, Lynn. Yes. I would try to say that in a British accent, but I'm not very good at it.
00:33:24
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Have I shared my story? No. I don't think so. So during college, I studied at Oxford. Yeah, we talked about that. And I was not aware that pants, which is what we say for like trousers, like jeans, khakis, whatever. Well, that's underwear. Pants? Yeah.
00:33:52
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Like the word class means underwear.
00:33:55
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That, from my understanding, yes. And so I had not been outside yet, and it was getting cold because it was like fall into winter. And we were about to go to a football game, which we call soccer, right? Like it's a football game. And I looked at a boy, and I said, is it cold outside? And he was like, I don't know why. And I said, I didn't know if I should put some pants on. And his face turned red. And I was like, what if I said?
00:34:24
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Yeah, when I found out, I mean, I have never been able to live that down. You were never the same after that. No. And sometimes I like to say happy Christmas, just because that's what they say instead of Merry Christmas. And I like it. Happy Christmas. Next up is Stacy. And she says, love listening to this podcast. Thank you for the respect you give the victims. Well done. And here's to many more.
00:34:49
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Thank you, Stacy. That comment is a lot. Yes. Our next is Jessica. Congratulations, guys, on your 100th episode as a fellow Kentuckian. I absolutely love listening to you all every week. Me and my daughter listen on the way to school in the mornings. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to your next one.
00:35:10
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Aw, Jessica. I know. The last one for this little section is from Lauren. She says, congrats on 100 episodes with a little heart face. Your podcast is my favorite. It has just the right amount of everything I like in it. The interaction between the two of you, Maggie and Allison, is genuine and works very well in this podcast. The amount of research and thought put into each episode is noticeable and greatly appreciated.
00:35:36
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Keep up the good work. As long as you all have this podcast, I'll be a loyal listener. Stop it. I know. You're my fave. You're my fave. Don't those just warm your heart, Maggie? Yeah, that's really what I needed to hear.
00:35:50
Speaker
I know. This 100th episode. Yeah, it's exactly what I needed because Maggie and I are a little stressed right now. So this is this is doing our hearts some good. Yep. Okay, back to some personal questions. Maggie, do you have any weird collections of things? Well, I don't know that it's really weird.
00:36:14
Speaker
It's not weird to us, but weird to like a normal person. Yeah. It would probably be weird to a normal person. But I collect like everything Wizard of Oz. The entire office is like Wizard of Oz. I mean, I understand that. Right. Like it's not weird. No. If you're us. I have an unearthly amount of binder clips. Yeah, you do. And pins.
00:36:43
Speaker
and ink pens, yeah. It's really sad. I have a huge plastic tub filled with binder clips. And even though I have that many, the student needs one. While I will give a binder clip to a student, I'm always like, will you give it back to me when you're done?
00:37:04
Speaker
done with it. Because I love them. And I can't help but buy more every year and I will never run out of ink and yet I buy more all the time. And she'll say, like we've been at Walmart and she'll be like, let's go look at the clearance section. And she'll get like four packs of pens.
00:37:29
Speaker
I can't help myself. I can't help myself. It's your weakness. It is. It's my kryptonite. Yeah. Okay, so here's another question that we get. How do you handle criticism?
00:37:50
Speaker
Not well. It kills us, actually. Makes me second guess my life. Sometimes, like, what am I doing with my life right now? Listen, you guys, Maggie and I wear our hearts on our sleeves. And luckily, we don't get a lot of criticism. But when we do, it's usually that we share about our personal lives within the story. Yeah.
00:38:17
Speaker
I think that hurts because to an outsider, it makes it sound like we care more about sharing meaningless details than we do about sharing the details about the victim and that it couldn't be further from the truth or else we wouldn't be doing this for free and spending hours and hours and hours away from our family doing it. And I think that's why it hurts so much. So yeah, we don't handle it well.
00:38:46
Speaker
Yeah, we've basically said if you don't have anything nice to say, just please keep scrolling because it causes me anguish and makes me literally sick. And I've been banned by Anthony from looking at the reviews on Apple podcasts. I sneak into it anyways, but I'm like, why can people not just if they don't like it, just move on.
00:39:07
Speaker
But a little, a little guilty confession here while we're getting to know everybody. Um, when we get better, when we get bad reviews, we like to read the bad reviews about crime junkie because they're famous podcasts. Yeah. Right. Cause they're famous and it makes us feel better. Right. Cause then we're like, it's not just us. Yeah. Yeah. People getting paid for this get better. So to make ourselves feel better, let's read some more positive messages. Okay.
00:39:38
Speaker
So this one is from Jessica who said, congrats you guys on 100 episodes. You guys are completely awesome. I love the way y'all bring compassion and awareness to these cases. Y'all are so funny and down to earth and are so fun to listen to. I've said it before, but y'all remind me of my best friend, Anna. I know. And it's because we're best friends. Yeah, I know. And she said she loves y'all's podcast now. Thanks for a great podcast.
00:40:06
Speaker
I know. So they listened together. I know that made me happy. BFF time. That's right. Tim, this one made me very happy. So I hope Tim, you are listening, says, love the show. I get excited to see the notification that a new show is available. My wife is from Pike County, Kentucky, and also a school teacher. So Tim, I don't know.
00:40:30
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know where you all live, but I feel like your wife needs to be mine and Allison's third best friend. Yep. Because she's from Eastern Kentucky and she knows the struggle of teaching. Yeah. Our next one is from Jesse. Congrats. Love the show. I'm a new follower. Welcome. And I'm listening to old shows every day at work. I love the mentions of Eastern Kentucky. My mom was born and my family comes from
00:41:01
Speaker
That's awesome. So another one is from Emily. She says, congrats Maggie and Alison on the 100th episode. Coffee and cases is one of my very favorite podcasts. And it's the first one I recommend to my true crime loving friends. I love your friendship, your kind hearts, the little stories you share at the beginning. And I love your accents. I even love your TikToks. Please don't ever stop.
00:41:27
Speaker
I posted a new TikTok. Did you? I did. Okay, so everybody check it out. We still need to do the Backstreet Boy one. Yeah. Oh, I have an idea for it. So I'll have to tell you after our episode. Have you seen the new one that like teachers are doing and it's like what students aren't listening and it's the everybody song? It speaks to me. But the one that I...
00:41:51
Speaker
The one that I did like I was just scrolling through and it unlocked a childhood memory that I didn't even know I had in there. It was the vacation Bible school song and like as soon as it came on I was like waves of my like I've seen it. Okay, so everybody check it out. Yeah.
00:42:17
Speaker
Our next one is from Faith. Congrats on 100 episodes. I started listening earlier this year, and my daughter and I listened to you for an entire road trip from Illinois to Washington. Wow. Made the drive much more tolerable for us. That's dedication, Faith, and I appreciate it. Yeah, we're here for you.
00:42:38
Speaker
Next is Shannon. She said, just listening to episode 97 and I'm so excited for y'all to reach episode 100. I've been listening, aw, since you all started and I love both of y'all's approach to telling cases. Your care for each story, victim, family, you tell really shines through in each episode. Congrats and here's to the next 100 episodes. That's sweet. That's sweet.
00:43:04
Speaker
All right, we got just a couple more. We got Tricia, congrats to you guys on your 100th episode. I'm so glad I stumbled upon your podcast last year. Each week, I look forward to hanging out with you guys for an hour. I'm a homeschool mom, so I love putting in my earbuds and having some mommy time while the kids do their independent work. You guys have such huge hearts, and I just love hearing y'all discuss these cases with such care and concern. Keep up the great work, ladies.
00:43:34
Speaker
Thank you, Tricia. Next is Erin. She says, congrats, love the show. I feel like we're besties, not in a weird way. That's not weird at all. It's not weird. We think y'all are besties and we've never even met you guys. So we're there with you.
00:43:52
Speaker
That's right. That's why we share about our lives because you need to know. Yeah. The next one's from Amos. Maggie and Allison just wanted to say congrats on the 100 episode milestone. We will be listening. Thank you Amos. Thank you.
00:44:07
Speaker
Next is Susie. She says, my fave with like the praise hands. Congratulations. Aw, and then our last one is from Kent. I enjoy your podcast, Keep Up the Good Work. Thank you from our brokenhearted family that misses Jason every second of every minute of every hour of every day. 291 and counting.
00:44:35
Speaker
Yeah. Thank you, Kent. I know that I can't imagine what your family has gone through, and I know that Maggie felt honored to be able to cover that case.
00:44:48
Speaker
Yeah, and Kent is Jason Landry's father, which was an episode that I covered. And I've actually talked to him about when we do the next update, maybe doing a Skype or Zoom call with him, just to kind of talk to him. But he said that he enjoyed the coverage that we, or said that we gave good coverage to Jason, which is,
00:45:15
Speaker
Meant more to me. Yeah than anything. I know I had I Don't know if she would want me to say her name so I won't but we had a family member of a case that I did and This is probably the best compliment I've gotten but she said after listening to the episode that it felt
00:45:36
Speaker
like her brother were still alive again. And for that time when she was listening and that, I mean, that meant everything.
Case Updates and Listener Interaction
00:45:50
Speaker
So Maggie and I are going to give one more update each for our cases, and then we have a little game for you in the very, very end. So my next update is on the Amy Mihalovic case. And remember that case happened on October 27th, 1989 in the small town of Bay Village, Ohio.
00:46:10
Speaker
And if you remember Maggie 10 year old Amy had told her mom that she was going to stay after school that she would be because she would call her mom when she got home every day because her mom was at work just to let her mom know that she made it home. So she told her mom that she had a choir audition after school and that she would be calling late. I know but she didn't.
00:46:30
Speaker
And remember, we know now where she did go because a stranger had been calling the house and he had told Amy that he needed help picking out a promotion present for Amy's mom. And we do know that Amy's mom had just gotten a promotion at work. And so Amy had agreed that day to walk to the shopping plaza near the school to help the man buy her mom a gift. And she wasn't supposed to tell anyone what she was doing, but luckily she did tell a friend.
00:47:00
Speaker
And remember, at first, Amy didn't seem in distress. She was seen at the plaza with the man by some of her friends from school. And she wasn't screaming or clawing or trying to get away. The stranger even let Amy call her mom and tell her that she was OK. So as far as Amy's mom knew at the moment, Amy was home. But Amy didn't make the call from home. In fact, she never came home.
00:47:29
Speaker
And when her mom also found out that there was no audition at school, that's when she became frantic. But nobody saw where Amy had gone.
00:47:39
Speaker
Sadly, if you remember, on February 8th, 1990, Amy's body was discovered on a country road about 50 miles from Bay Village, and there weren't really any suspects. There were two sketches. One of the men that the classmates saw at the shopping plaza, another of someone who had been seen recently on the side of that country road, but they varied
00:48:02
Speaker
widely like the is this the case that oh yeah they did like one didn't one have glasses and one didn't or something and like one almost looks like he has like curly hair yeah they look nothing alike and like is this the one that had like the
00:48:20
Speaker
curtain. Yes. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, there were some very specific clues that were found that I feel like hopefully can either discount or corroborate the new clue that came in. So Amy Mihalovic's case, I think it was like episode four. It was very early on that we covered her case. And
00:48:42
Speaker
very shortly after we covered her case, is when a new tip came in to police. And a woman had come forward to identify her ex-boyfriend as a suspect in the case. Yeah. And while he hasn't been charged, the man, according to his former ex-girlfriend, lived less than a mile and a half from the shopping plaza,
00:49:09
Speaker
He worked in Bay Village and had family there, so he knew the area, including a young family member who was in the same grade as Amy, so he would have known where the school was. Yeah. It wouldn't have been creepy if he was there. Right. And the ex-girlfriend said that he didn't come home the night of October 27th, 1989, which was unusual for him, she said.
00:49:35
Speaker
So here's hoping that this tip pans out and that the Mahalevic family can find closure. So my second case update is on Lucinda Strange's case. And this is, I told Allison, like, we basically, the daughter reached out to us and said, can you add this information? So I was pretty much just going to read exactly what she said because it was,
00:50:00
Speaker
a very on point description. Absolutely. Oh, plus the fact that we did mispronounce her dad's name. Yes, we did. We said Jeremy, but it's Jerome. Right.
00:50:15
Speaker
Yes. Y'all know I struggle with the name pronunciations. Yeah. But we got it this time. Yes. So she says, this is all just via the daughter Allison. While she did vary her walking time, she never went out really late at night, never after dark.
00:50:32
Speaker
So remember, we had talked about this is like the case where she goes walking. And then like, we think she's been hit by a car, but we realized that she has not been. So Alison, this is also the case where we were confused. I think we actually said if anybody could clarify the timeline, because the way the timeline was written in the research, it seemed like there were gaps.
00:50:58
Speaker
Yeah, and Allison, the daughter, addresses some of those gaps for us. So she says, this occurred in a rural part of Nelson County. So having neighbors is a relative term, which we talked about that, right? Like we talked about, it's probably not like a subdivision in Louisville. It's like, you know, neighbors like country neighbors.
00:51:25
Speaker
So she said, we had one neighbor across the street, but other neighbors were much farther away. The person who saw her body came up to her house closer to 9pm. My dad was asleep and I was studying for a test. So we didn't really notice how much time had passed since mama. And I love that she calls her mama because I called my mama.
00:51:44
Speaker
had left for her walk. When the people came up to the house, they said there was a person on the side of the road who'd been hit by a car. And she says this would have been like a natural assumption, you know, obviously when a body is beside the right. We all started down the driveway. My dad told me to go back and call 911. There was no big gap between when we found out about her and the 911 call. I don't remember if one of the people who came
00:52:11
Speaker
to the door went back with me and who actually made the call. So, and I get that when you're in that type of situation. I feel like you do forget like. Oh, you're, I mean, you're in trauma. Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:27
Speaker
So again, she says like there was no significant time gap, which wasn't clear in the research that I was able to find. She says, after calling, I went down the driveway and my dad stopped me from going down the heel of the road and kept me away from my mother's body, which we had talked about.
00:52:43
Speaker
Yes, because I think the research said almost the opposite. So that's good that her dad did that. Yeah, because I remember that like he laid like something that some source said that he laid like his code over her or something. She didn't verify that in this message to me though.
00:53:05
Speaker
Um, when police arrived, they should have noticed that this wasn't a hit and run. And we talked about that too. Her body was right beside the road. If she had been hit hard enough to kill her, she would have been further away from the road. There was no broken glass, no break marks from someone trying to stop. So like.
00:53:24
Speaker
We talked about those are all excellent points. Yeah. And we talked about how bizarre it was that she was just immediately moved from a literal crime scene.
00:53:37
Speaker
She was wearing a dark shirt and pants so the amount of blood may have not been plainly visible but the detectives should have realized that it wasn't a hit and run. She says nothing was done to protect the scene and it was a week later before a roadblock was set up on one end of the road to talk to those who may have been in the area the night of her murder.
00:53:57
Speaker
However, a week later, right. And we know that there's literally a show called the first 48. Like, yeah, we know, yeah, that first little bits important. She says, however, alike frequent and about frequented by weekenders a few miles away, plus a roadblock on one way out, many people left the other direction. So really, they're not talking to everyone they need to be talking to. No, not at all. Not even close.
00:54:27
Speaker
She says it's not clear that she was able to scream. Her mouth may have been covered and any sounds muffled. So, because remember we talked about someone had reported hearing her scream. Right, or Ivan said like if he had just, if her dad had just fallen asleep, like I wish he could have heard her, but she could have been muffled. That makes complete sense.
00:54:48
Speaker
Given the woods and the location of her death down a small hill, it also means sound wouldn't carry as far if she did. So we're not talking like a flat area. Nelson County is pretty hilly.
00:55:00
Speaker
She goes on to say whoever it was, wasn't visible because if she had seen a car or a person she didn't know, she would have turned around and came home. So while there may be many stab wounds, some of them came after her heart stopped because there was no bleeding. So we talked about, she was stabbed quite a few times. But the daughter Alison says that she died quickly.
00:55:29
Speaker
She says with regards to the burglary that happened about a month or so before her death. So remember the house had been broken into. Oh yeah, because I said I thought that would make sense if they were linked. Yes, she says given the layout of the woods and the location of her house, the police believe that someone was watching the house and waiting for everyone to leave. I was at school. My dad was at work and my mom left after we did to go visit her grandson. They forced the door open, stole a VCR and my mother's watch.
00:56:00
Speaker
random it was treated as a random break-in and no investigation was really done i really feel and i don't know why but i just feel like the two are connected yeah it's like the case that we recently covered on the dickus family the yep yep same thing yep i agree
00:56:22
Speaker
Okay, so Maggie, two more questions and then we'll play our game. The first one, if you could have one case solved, which one would it be? I really think that's a very hard question to answer. I know. I don't think I can answer that.
00:56:38
Speaker
Because then I feel like I'm picking one family over another. Like I wish they could all be solved. They all break my heart. But if you are like, if you follow the missing person, Jason Landry page like that,
00:56:55
Speaker
they're all heartbreaking but like that page is just so gut wrenching because like his little daddy just it gets me every single time I mean you all heard it in that message that he wrote to us I mean I wish they could all be solved but that's one that always sticks out to me that one and Amy Mahalovic always stick out to me
00:57:17
Speaker
Maybe with this clue, we could get it.
Future Plans and Interactive Fun
00:57:21
Speaker
Final question. They said, we love the show. How can we get more? Well, we'll be starting a Patreon in December.
00:57:30
Speaker
I know. I don't know where we'll find the time, but that is our plan. We'll have some episodes, like I said, bloopers, maybe some where we're just telling crazy stories like my England story. We'll have bonus episodes and things like that. So be listening and looking for that in December, and it might even be like a good...
00:57:53
Speaker
good Christmas present to buy somebody. Oh, good thinking. And we'll probably give like a little discount right to those. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we got to be loyal to the people who are loyal to us. Exactly. Okay, so here's how we're going to end our bonus episode. We are going to play. Are you more like Allison or Maggie?
00:58:16
Speaker
So get out a pencil and a piece of paper, but not while you're driving. That's illegal. Yes. And dangerous. And keep track of the number of A answers versus B answers.
00:58:30
Speaker
And of course, you know, like we said earlier, some questions like our favorite movie of all time, we couldn't ask because it's the same for both of us. So it would be like a Wizard of Oz or B Wizard of Oz. Okay, so we'll alternate asking questions and you keep track of your A's and B's and then we'll tell you at the end who was who.
00:58:50
Speaker
So Maggie, you wanna start? Sure, so question one says, if you had to choose between the following two colors, which is your favorite? Is it A, pink, or B, blue? Okay, number two, if you had to pick your favorite season between the two, which would you pick? A, winter, or B, summer?
00:59:20
Speaker
It's a toughie. Number three, you are A, a not owl or B, a morning person. I am clearly one of those. Same. Number four, would you prefer to vacation A in a historical city or B at the beach? Also toughie.
00:59:48
Speaker
Number five, are you most commonly drinking a water or B coffee? I feel like this next one gives it away. It's OK. Number six, would you prefer listening to a change it? I can change it. I change it. OK, OK, OK. It's fine. A backstreet boys.
01:00:22
Speaker
You are more likely, are you more likely to be found, A, cleaning your house, or B, sitting oddly by hoping it gets clean on its own.
01:00:41
Speaker
Oh my gosh, this is more fun than I thought. Number eight, are you more likely to watch on television? A, food championships like the Great British Bake Off, or B, a new reality television show like 90 Day Fiance or Love After Lock Up. We're weird. We are so weird. No matter what choice. Okay, and one more. Maggie, it killed me that it's uneven, but I had to do it in case there's a tie.
01:01:10
Speaker
Okay, so number nine is so weird. Okay, how do you feel about tomatoes? More commonly known as maters, do you A, love them, or B, hate them? So how do you feel about tomatoes? That's right. That's the time breaker question. So add up your A's.
01:01:39
Speaker
Add up your bees. Maggie, go ahead and tell them which one you are. So if you are mostly A's, then you are like me. If you have mostly B's, then you are like me. So I feel like no matter what, you're in good company. Yeah, I think we're both pretty awesome. I mean, I think we are.
01:02:06
Speaker
We might be the only ones who think so, but that's okay. No, I feel like our husbands do. We're husbands do. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. All right, Sleuth Hounds, we love you guys and we can't wait to be with you again for our next regular episode on Thursday. Bye. Bye.