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Million Dollar Mill & Advanced Techniques. Is Parenting Easier Than Business?
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This week both John's talk about the million dollar Kern Microtechnik coming to the Grimsmo shop! Both John's also touch on the Christmas holiday coming up and about being a parent! Saunders touches on past issues about having machines delivered to his shop and the entire process of getting new equipment. We talk in depth about learning advanced lathe work, things like Fusion 360, tool paths and when to stop trying to hard.
Things reference in this weeks podcast are listed below:
BlueDriver LSB2 Bluetooth scan tool:
John Saunders Video on 5-Axis machining:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppIH0CHw0_s
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Transcript
Introduction to Business of Machining
00:00:00
Speaker
Good morning and welcome to the Business of Machining, Episode 149. My name is John Saunders. And my name is John Grimsmough. This is the podcast all about the business of machining, kind of a handy name there.
Friendship and Business Challenges
00:00:15
Speaker
Two friends talk about what's going on in life in business, and try to work through some problems sometimes.
Financial Advice and Relationships
00:00:21
Speaker
Yeah, I was listening to Dave Ramsey on the radio last night and somebody was asking for advice on how to handle some Dave Ramsey situation about, you know, paying down a loan or money financial matters. It's funny how
00:00:38
Speaker
money and finances just all of a sudden make everything different for some reason. Like it's this taboo topic or you're not supposed to share, you are supposed to share. But in this case, the guy was worried that his friend was going to judge him for bragging or showing off when he was just really trying to inspire his friend to take a different attitude or approach or thought process and
00:01:02
Speaker
The way the guy posed the question, I thought Dave would say something about how the Ramsey solution works and have all these facts and percentages, and it's a long-term solution. We're not just another one of the weight loss pills in the finance world or money world of self-help.
Support Systems and Venting
00:01:20
Speaker
His response was not what I expected. It was, if he's your friend, he's not going to judge you like that.
00:01:26
Speaker
Um, and what made me think of that is, um, I know we do this publicly now, but, um, if you're out there starting a business, you need somebody who's a true friend that doesn't judge you that you can share your successes, but also your struggles with, and I've got that in you. Uh, and, and, uh, and it's a good thing. Yeah. I, I, I feel that a lot, uh, what that guy said, cause.
00:01:53
Speaker
Yeah. If you have success, you don't want to come across like you're bragging. Yet if you have struggles, you don't want to come across like you're failing miserably. So a lot of things literally go unsaid. And that's probably not the healthiest thing.
Problem Solving Approaches
00:02:10
Speaker
So what you and I have together, both publicly as we're talking on the podcast, but also the kind of before and after, sometimes we vent a little bit heavier than we feel like sharing publicly, which is nice. Yeah.
00:02:22
Speaker
And and it's it's helpful it's i mean it's our mini version of therapy you know i've never heard you know it's actually interesting that i talking out loud i've never heard of all the people i've looked up to read books on or whatever i've never heard a good.
00:02:41
Speaker
demarcation line, a good judgment line between when do you vent or share or talk out loud or chew on something versus when do you man up and say, you know what, life isn't fair, not everything's perfect. Get over yourself and get back to work because both are okay. I don't know what the differentiation point is.
00:02:58
Speaker
And you need one for certain situations and one for the other. And I mean, there's probably no right or wrong. It's self-regulated, right? Some people can handle a lot more stress and problems and man up and get it done better. Some people are vendors and just need to talk it out. And that makes everything better. Like sometimes, I don't know, I stew on things forever. And even just saying the words out loud, even talking to myself out loud on a walk,
00:03:23
Speaker
uh helps or talking to a friend or my brother or you know my wife about things getting it out of my head out of my face um makes a big difference and it it's like it breaks the power that that problem has over me so even even talk yet even articulating it to somebody else you end up
Leadership and Parenting Analogies
00:03:44
Speaker
processing it in your head as you're trying to explain it, right? And I admire that in the act of explaining, whether I'm stuck on a machining problem and I will explain it to Aaron who knows nothing about it. And just the words coming out of my mouth, trying to dumb it down and explain it and say it very simply, often clicks the solution in my head. And it's like, whoa, that's weird.
00:04:11
Speaker
I will make notes to myself, make the phone calls as well. I find, though, that that's often the easy – nothing. I don't know what the right word is. It's not necessarily the path of least resistance or the easy way out because, frankly, sometimes those are the smart ways to go.
00:04:28
Speaker
I also have found sometimes you need the proverbial kick in the butt. You need the Marine Corps, get over yourself, get back to work. There's an interesting characteristic in leaders where they have that ability to know when do you lend a shoulder and talk it out and when do you look at somebody and say, you are having a pity party, you are good at what you do, get over yourself, go back, do great things. Yeah.
00:04:57
Speaker
And I think some of that as a leader, some of that comes, some of it must be natural to some people, but I'm sure a lot of it is experience and just compassion and, you know, not being afraid to try the two options, the pity party or the tough love. It's dealing with kids too, right?
00:05:19
Speaker
I mean, you can't let them get away with everything, yet you can't be mean at them all the time. So it's like having kids is an experiment in leadership constantly. Parenting is way easier than running a business, though. I agree. Seriously. I agree, which is funny. Maybe that's from a father perspective. Oh, touche. Maybe mothers would have a different perspective.
00:05:42
Speaker
To be clear, but yeah, I agree. You know, in the beginning parenting is difficult and you don't sleep and blah, blah, blah. But growing a business when you have more than a few people and make more than $100,000 and things start to become big and real and it's harder. Parenting is like college sports. Everybody is
00:06:04
Speaker
it's here because they're kind of in your family. Whereas, um, I can't believe I'm using a sports analogy, whereas running a business is like the NFL where it's like, you know, you've got to compel people to come to your team and then do great things. And not that they can leave, but, but you know, they can, right? Like it's not the same thing. Like you're, you're a family, you're in it. There's a different dynamic of, um, structure and so forth. Mm-hmm.
00:06:32
Speaker
We, it's funny you mentioned the Aaron thing. Cause we were joking, uh, within our shop, it's become kind of a running joke that, uh, Julie's probably a pretty good machinist by this point. Yeah. She's never hit cycle start, but I think she could actually program a part in fusion, set it up, pick the raw material, saw cut it program, get the tools set off. It's really funny. Yeah. That's awesome. What are you up to? Um,
Machining Updates and Techniques
00:07:02
Speaker
Nothing. I like it. Yeah, nothing. No, I'm trying to articulate. It's neat because we're at the point now where Angelo basically handles the mori and the Nakamura, the mill and the lathe almost unattended, like without me, which is amazing. And then I just get to play on the Swiss, you know, when I need to be machining, when I'm not doing other business stuff.
00:07:27
Speaker
Which is cool, I get to focus on that. Although sometimes I don't get to focus as much as I want to or need to.
00:07:35
Speaker
And then like the machine will run really, really well for days and days and weeks and making all kinds of parts. And then I'm setting up and programming a new job and it's down for like three days while I'm, you know, slowly processing and taking my time. And it, there's a bit of weird feeling to that. You're like, Oh, it should be so productive. But then I got to like step back and be the surgeon and be like, don't rush it, do it. Right. Got to do it. You know, like it's okay if the machine is down for a little bit because I'm transitioning between, between, uh, parts that I'm making, like that's just part of the process. I can't beat myself up over that.
00:08:05
Speaker
But yeah, so that's what I'm doing right now. I'm programming a, the pivot for our knives, which I haven't made on the Swiss yet. And last night I made the first one. And it is gorgeous. Oh, it's, it's incredible how the surface finishes coming off the Swiss with oil are like several times shinier than off the Nakamura with coolant.
00:08:28
Speaker
I don't know if it's rigidity or ground inserts or the oil itself. It's crazy. Yeah. I don't doubt that all of those things are help massively helpful. I mean, rigidity, yes, ground inserts, absolutely. And then cutting oil, I don't, I can't speak to empirically, but it is, it is like the ideal cutting fluid. It just has some other drawbacks, right? In terms of cost and burning lays to the ground. Yeah, exactly.
00:08:55
Speaker
The thing I would say, speaking, again, our journeys continue to have yearly overlapping milestones, which is that I also spent this week learning how to set up and run a lathe from a hands-on standpoint.
00:09:14
Speaker
realized it was taking me longer on a couple of things and I didn't like that. And I realized, no, don't let yourself build a data point or a memory that it takes a long time because, John, it's the first part you've ever made. Yeah.
Technical Challenges in Machining
00:09:33
Speaker
And so it's kind of a this is this all like, you know, I'm going to roofie myself after I finished doing this part. Does not think and judge that way because the reality is I've already like I've taken something that that took me multiple test cuts, multiple insert swaps and your tweaks and so forth. And now I've got that just nailed down and it's awesome. And I'm loving it, loving it, loving it. Loving leads. Yes. That's amazing.
00:10:03
Speaker
Yep. Um, and I also ran into the situation where, so how do I explain this? I'm trying to do some intricate, um, C axis interpolation with like inverse time feed rates and all this crazy stuff. And I just can't get either fusion to post the code or I can't even handwrite the code to make the machine do what I want. Okay.
00:10:29
Speaker
and it's driving me crazy. C-axis interpolation, you mean polar interpolation? Polar except with a radial tool, so where the tool tip is facing the diameter of the part. Okay, so think like if you had a end mill and you wanted to machine a slot, like a pulley slot around the outside of a disc.
00:10:55
Speaker
Yeah, basically. Except the slot is not round. It's oval and an oval with flats. So we need not just an XC rotation, but a Y as well. And that's where it gets all complicated. So I got it due to a lot of hand programming. I got it to do what I wanted, except any time a C move came in, like where the part rotates, it went incredibly slow.
00:11:20
Speaker
because the sea doesn't move in inches per minute moves in degrees per second or degrees per minute. And so I crank that up and it's maxed at 157 degrees per minute, which is still super slow. I need like a thousand.
00:11:34
Speaker
And at that point, I just like, I've been struggling with this for a couple days and I'm just like, you know what, there's, this is the cool way to do it. This is the way I want to do it. You know, I was held bent on getting it done, but I just reached a breaking point where I'm like, there's an easier way, a less cool way, a less good way to do it. But I know I can get that done. And I did that in like an hour. So hold on. This is on the knot, not the knock. This is on the soreness. Okay. And.
00:12:02
Speaker
Well, there's a random tip and we just, we did a video on this like a month ago at Lawrence was a huge help, which is on the Haas control, which a, I wouldn't call it a weakness necessarily, but certainly the Haas control in the machine doesn't have the same kinematics and movement capabilities as a machine that's two or three times the price. And what happens is you can get what looks like jittery motion or slow motion. And I was getting it,
00:12:30
Speaker
trying to do a corner pick, I was getting it on the linking move. So this is super ironic, because I've got an end mill, and I'm coming in there, I'm doing a simultaneous five-axis move, and it actually looks pretty good, and it's occurring basically how I want it to occur. And then when it would transition out of that cut and back to the starting point, that's when it looked horrible, it looked jerky, it looked bad, it looked like some of you would say, oh, that's not the kind of machine I want to own. But I'm thinking to myself, wait a minute here, I know it can happen
00:13:00
Speaker
better i know it can go better because it's going better in the cut and lauren's showed me some settings i'm not going to recap them here because i don't want to misspeak to them but they're in that video which we'll put in the description and
00:13:12
Speaker
What it was, I think in layman's terms, the best way to explain it was breaking down the point distribution, adding points so that on the Haas machine, it didn't have to slow down one axis to wait for the other to catch up. Okay. Because all the axes need to hit their- The point at the same time.
00:13:35
Speaker
Well, if not at the same time, yeah, they can't process the next line of code until all of them have satisfied the prior line. So if the B takes a really long time to get there, but the C could get there right away, it ends up looking horrible. Interesting. I'm not sure that's your answer there, but I will tell you, that's a great example of where five-axis code or multi-axis code is not necessarily an extension of our traditional three-axis code. Right.
00:14:02
Speaker
Um, watch that video and see if that sheds any light. Yeah, I will. Excellent. Can you also explain inverse timing to me again? So I don't fully understand it because even just the words themselves, it sounds like backwards time, inverse time, but
00:14:22
Speaker
It is translating a degrees per second, or maybe it's degrees per minute. I can't remember. Let's call it degrees per second. Rotational timing, like 360 degrees per second. So one rotation per second. It translates that into a feed rate based on the diameter of the part. So if it's one inch diameter, your distance around is what? 3.14 inches. So one degree per second, or one, I don't know, one degree per second would be
00:14:53
Speaker
3.14 inches per minute at one inch diameter. It's a similar relationship between RPM and surface footage. It becomes diameter impactful. Exactly. I'm sure there's a calculation out there. I'm guessing if that's what it is. It turns your feed rate into literally thousands of inches per minute in order to get a rotation that looks right.
00:15:17
Speaker
And the machine is, because as you said, they have to kind of end up in the same point at the same time when you're doing multiple acts at the same time. X and Y have to slow down in order to match the feed rate of the rotation. So even though... Because the rotation, the C is your slow. It's your slowest. So even though you're programming a 2000 inch per minute feed rate, the X and Y have to be slow enough because the C is your limitation.
00:15:48
Speaker
So yeah, it's there are post processors that do it all for you basically, but even just getting a swarf toolpath to do what I wanted has been a challenge on a lathe with basically four axis I had to
00:16:06
Speaker
the toolpath worked but the linking moves would add like a five degree b-axis tilt and i don't have a b-axis yeah on my mission on my mill so i wouldn't even post through my lathe post um until i turned all the links off all the arkans and stuff and then it worked fine right but yeah so i i struggled with that you know how you just get so focused that you're like it's so close i want to make it work um that was me for like three days and
00:16:34
Speaker
I eventually just gave up and went with the easy route and it's, it's got downsides, but it's going to make fine parts. So who cares? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I commend you on maybe not, you shouldn't take three days, but it's okay. Like some, you just got a skin that kind of different way.
00:16:53
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, with with so much on our plate right now, and so many things, like, I just can't do everything to the ultimate premier, like a dream method possible. Because I just have other stuff to do, like, the juice is not worth the squeeze. Yes. Yes. You know,
00:17:12
Speaker
Well, one of the first parts we ran on the UMC back in April was a similar thing. It was actually that groove around the outside of a dinner plate, like a large 10-inch part. And I thought, perfect. Great example of infusion. It would technically be multi-axis contour where you're just using it like a fourth-axis wrap where you're just having the tool
00:17:34
Speaker
go down come down and then just move directly around the outside of your part to cut this groove into it um ends up it was much easier to program it was swarf and i just did that by using a body gave it the two rails and that let the tool go right right around the part actually incredibly easy to program and it thus becomes a
00:17:53
Speaker
Well, you would call it a fourth axis move. The reality is it's really only one axis or two. It moves the B to 90 and then Z comes down and then B and Z are both locked and it's literally just a C axis rotation. Um, but it looked like crap. The toolpath and the finish was no good. And, um, I never thought of a good way to describe it, but I saw Lockwood's comment. I think this is what you guys were talking about on WhatsApp of the word healing.
00:18:20
Speaker
Yeah, and I think that's what it I'm sure that's what it was because I switched it to a adaptive that basically roughed it out using a adaptive strategy wrapped around it literally a fourth axis strategy. So it's still it still had a healing effect, but instead of feeding it directly into the material, it was doing an adaptive and it actually looked great. Totally fine. Sweet.
00:18:45
Speaker
but I guess tools just don't like being, it's weird because you can plunge with an end mill, some end mills you can plunge with or ramp with, and obviously you can cut with the side of them, but the idea of healing, like feeding the material up into the combination of the face and edge just doesn't seem to work well.
00:19:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it depends. On in my part, because the feature I'm cutting is so skinny, I can I'm not using the center line of the end mill, I can actually move the end mill to the side and use the face but the side of the face like the flutes. Yes. Yeah, so it would have worked and it, it should have worked. But
00:19:27
Speaker
but the machine can't rotate that fast. I think there is a parameter in FANUC. We did this on the Nakamura where you can actually crank up that limit because it's limited to 157 degrees per inverse time, something, blah, blah, blah. Even if I programmed it at a thousand feed rate, it was stuck at 157.
00:19:48
Speaker
Yeah, that doesn't seem right. And, uh, I, I didn't hear back from my tech guy enough fast enough. So I'm just like, screw this, go to the easy way, get it done, make parts. Cause we needed parts like two days ago. So you get to that point where it's like, huh, that's okay.
Machining Strategies and Tools
00:20:03
Speaker
Move on. Yeah, fair enough. Hmm.
00:20:06
Speaker
Speaking of lays, I made a decision I wouldn't have made a year or two ago, which is we're actually running some parts right now on it. And I realized, let's see, we've got some grooving, which has been going great, but nevertheless, grooving in my experience is something where you can have things go wrong quickly. And then the partying, partying on machine, modern machine, like turning centers is just mind blowing to me how, how it,
00:20:34
Speaker
works like feeding at those surface footages that deep at those feed per revs is amazing. Yeah.
00:20:44
Speaker
And it's been working great. We haven't had a single problem other than tweaking some feeds and speeds and so forth. But occurred to me, wait a minute here. If I lose, so like grooving, if you end up blowing up an insert for whatever reason, usually you're going to blow up the holder as well. It's just the way that insert fails, it will mar the holder. And same thing with the parting blade.
00:21:07
Speaker
And it just kind of hit me the other day. I was like, what am I doing? I'm down for at least a day, if not two, based on when you could get an order in to replace it. And so I ordered a second bar. Luckily, the actual partying bars aren't that expensive. And a second stick holder for the grooving tool. And they're just sitting here in my toolbox. And it sounds quite pedestrian when I say it out loud like this. But it's something that Lauren's, I saw at Lauren's shop and just realized,
00:21:35
Speaker
First off, those holders are going to wear out eventually anyways, so it's not like that won't eventually get used and I'm glad I did that.
00:21:45
Speaker
Yeah, it becomes having a critical backup, which can be very important, especially for something like the lathe doesn't work if you don't have a part off blade. Yeah. You know, and it sounds like you don't think about it. I don't think I've I did blow up one, like I've got a double ended part off blade. I did blow up one one side of it, probably due to a stupid mistake. And then after that, the only problems I've had are when
00:22:13
Speaker
We've reached the end of the bar and we like miscalculated how much is left. So the part of blade is like is like cutting part that's hanging in midair or something and then it catches and it rips the insert out. I've had that happen a couple times, but usually it just pop a new insert back in and it's fine. But yeah, I haven't had any catastrophes. I don't think we were using a good.
00:22:40
Speaker
We part off like quarter inch material. Yeah, this is two and a half inch D2 steel. The Sandvik recommendation for the OD turning tools, like your CNMGs, it's 818 service feet per minute dry.
00:22:57
Speaker
What? So this two and a half inch chunk of material is rotating at, I don't know, 1,500 or 1,800 RPMs. And we actually went back to running it with coolant. But when we were running it dry, you can literally see this probably half a millimeter or it's a large molten glob at the cutting point. And I don't know if that's the material or the insert or both. And
00:23:24
Speaker
You would, if you just saw that as a reasonably intelligent person, you would think, well, that has turned molten. It is going to immediately fail. There's no way you can hold a cutting edge and continue to do that. And some of the gun, if it just doesn't keep going. Okay. Yeah. So in that case, it's good idea to have a backup. I commend that. Well, that was on like the CNMG. I don't, we weren't getting, we weren't getting that. At least I couldn't see that on the grooving and partying stuff.
Importing Machines and Logistics
00:23:49
Speaker
Okay. Okay. Yeah.
00:23:54
Speaker
In other news, guess what hits Canadian shores tomorrow.
00:23:59
Speaker
a amazing five-axis machine. Woo-hoo! Yep, that's awesome. My big red box is hitting Port of Montreal tomorrow. I've been dealing with importing and brokerage and customs, because usually I buy a machine through a distributor, and this is the first time I'm buying it direct, basically. So I have to cover the import charges, I have to deal with the broker, and I've brokered little things, but this is a big brokerage deal.
00:24:27
Speaker
Do you have to like have your rigger go to a shipyard? No, it's on a trailer, like a flatbed, you know, 40 foot container open top container trailer. So it just your machine has its own container.
00:24:44
Speaker
Yeah, oh my god, that's insane. Yeah, they sent me pictures. Eventually, I'll make a video or post them or something. But imagine like, you know, like a shipping container, like you see on the boats from China, whatever, except this is an open top. So it's just like a base. It's like a giant metal palette. That's 40 feet long. And then that, I don't know,
00:25:06
Speaker
there's specifications in the in the shipping documentation that's like, like place, what do you call it inside the boat undercover, not on the top deck, basically, right. And, but yeah, and then there's three crates, one for the one for the current one for the aroa and one for the chip conveyor and all accessories.
00:25:26
Speaker
So there's three wooden crates that are all sealed up and there's those shock indicators all over the whole everything. That's cool. And every every point of shipment has to be you have to write down the status of the shock indicators. That's part of the shipping procedure, which is neat.
00:25:43
Speaker
And what else? Yeah, so then it just gets loaded on a truck, gets shipped. We're going to get shipped to my rigger's storage facility outside Toronto. And they're going to hold it for a couple of weeks until the shop's ready. And then they're going to move it in with everything else. Yeah. So I've been coordinating that, trying to figure out a give or take January 15th to 20th machine moving day. Floors will be done.
00:26:13
Speaker
Yeah, they should be done in the first week. First week, week and a half. And then we'll do power and water and air, basically, while the shop's empty. And then week three, we'll be moving the machine in. Yeah. Yeah, so there's a lot of thinking and coordinating to do here. Oh, yeah, that's a whole orchestra. Good grief.
00:26:38
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think I'll ever have a machine delivered to my shop again, unless it's something we can unload ourselves. It's just the hassles that we've gone through on a couple of different machines where we've had one time we had a pallet damage or shipping thing damage. The other time we had the wrong rigging thing for the crane with the lathe, which was frustrating. Have it delivered to the riggers. They've got all of their arsenal right there. They can pick it in probably five minutes, even if they have the wrong thing.
00:27:04
Speaker
Then they can do what they need to do, and then on your own schedule with them, they can just pop it on a truck flatbed and drive it over. Oh, okay. Yeah, I see what you mean. Then there's no more waiting. We've had truck drivers delay because of excuses that were very much not legitimate, but what are you going to tell the guys who was facing these lines? Do you? What do you gain by that? Right. I sometimes forget about that because sometimes I have a machine coming from my distributor, from Elliot Matsura or DMG Mori.
00:27:33
Speaker
So the rigging company just drives their picks it up and comes to my shop, then they handle everything. When I had the tornos delivered, it came from Chicago. So you know, a trucker basically is driving it up from Chicago parks, waits for the riggers to come, then eventually the riggers come and then there's more coordinating involved. Yeah, whereas you're suggesting and like I'm doing with the Kern, just get it delivered to the riggers and they always have everything there just to pull it off and get it done.
00:28:03
Speaker
Yeah.
Passion for Machining and Personal Growth
00:28:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Sweet. I had a totally, totally not machine related, but I got to share this because it just was such a fun victory. One of my goals this year and next is to kind of enjoy working on cars a little and getting a little bit better in that stuff. So it's like super, super silly stuff like doing your own brake rotors or basic maintenance or even doing oil changes with William. And it's fun.
00:28:32
Speaker
And I've treated myself to an early Christmas gift, which is the blue driver that's like a Bluetooth OBD2 sensor tool. And I kind of thought it was like a splurge. And then I realized, no, this thing is amazing. And it works in my truck, my wife's SUV. And I put it in there, and it immediately tells you all of the Bluetooth codes of everything that's going on.
00:28:56
Speaker
But it's funny using YouTube as an outsider because when you use YouTube for machining, it's different. But now that I'm in a totally new world with cars, you're like, oh my gosh, this is so helpful because I can literally put in an OBD2 code or I can find this mass air flow sensor or bearing wheel thing and these videos that show you how to do it. You can see who does a good job and who doesn't do a good job on YouTube, which makes me think about what I do and the content we create.
00:29:26
Speaker
That's really cool. That's awesome. It's like you just opened yourself up to a whole new world of YouTube. Yeah, we don't talk about cars ever on the podcast, which is fun. Yeah. I used to be a huge car guy at the time. Felt like I knew everything there was to know about everything. Could rebuild an engine, could do anything. And I haven't really touched cars in a couple of years now, except
00:29:51
Speaker
This guy and I crawled under the yellow 850 just the other day because this is going to be his car. Nice. And so we jacked it up and he's never really worked on cars. We jacked it up, we put the stands under, we crawled under and we're looking for this oil leak that it's got. And it was neat kind of like showing him, you know, well, that's that, that's that.
00:30:11
Speaker
because I put that engine in that car. He's like, why is that like that? I'm like, well, I had to do that. I had to hack it to make it fit. But yeah, it was fun. It was like nostalgic.
00:30:26
Speaker
No, it's super cool. I have so much respect for folks that are like, Oh yeah, you've got a bad control arm. If you just pop these two here and you can while you're in there, do your strut and like, I don't know. I think this stuff is so cool. And I'm starting to realize that given that we've, we've both been at this machinist thing for a couple of years now and kind of know what we're doing, like we actually have a pretty unique angle to, you know, if you need a, I was reading about one thing where they're like, Oh man, you're going to need a crows foot wrench, but that's real hard to get in there. So you're going to need to find a way to grind it or machine it down. I'm like, that's like.
00:30:55
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That's the easiest thing ever. Yeah, me 10 years ago would have been angle grinder or Dremel does everything. That was my machining setup, was a Dremel. Yeah. Now we have a ground and lapped closed 11 millimeter hose in a notch. Yeah, like 10 to 15 years ago was probably the window of time when I was super crazy at the cars.
00:31:19
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And, you know, I wanted to make parts and I wanted to machine things and, you know, I'd see companies or people, you know, like one guy had a machine, a CNC machine in his garage. I thought it was the greatest thing ever. And, you know, you see how all these, whether it's control arms or strut plates or shifters or blow off valves or whatever, even turbine blades.
00:31:42
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like how they're all machined and at the time it was just mind-blowing and now like we literally have all the technology to do any of that and we're not because we're in other industries so that's that's fine but it's kind of funny where life takes you you know
00:31:58
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Well, actually, that's a great segue to wrap up with this, which is I remember vividly sitting on my couch in my New York City apartment, and I was browsing CNC zone, and there was a guy on CNC zone named Helicopter Johns, and I don't know if he's still out there. I know Helicopter Johns. Maybe he even listens to this podcast.
00:32:17
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He had an old-school Haas TM in his garage, and it was kind of like that darker gray enclosure. And I remember seeing that post and thinking, no way. You can own one of these things? What? Are you serious? This guy put a machine in his garage.
00:32:36
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Never in a million years did I think I would ever be able to be that person, let alone doing what we are today. So this is our last episode prior to Christmas. I think we have one more this year, but nevertheless, this is the last one that's going to air. And I just want to take the chance to say both to you and everyone out there, we live in the greatest error in the history of human civilization. And I'm incredibly grateful for the opportunities that we've been given and what we've been able to do and try to always
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balance, staying hungry, but also staying humble.
Listener Impact and Reflections
00:33:06
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And I just want to say thank you to everyone who's been part of our journey and helped us do what we do. I'm grateful that I get to do what I love. Yeah, me too. It's a magical time to be alive. Speaking of things that you love, I've got to hop because I got to put my kid on the bus this morning. Awesome. I got to take the garbage out.
00:33:33
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Well, uh, a very Merry Christmas. When do we actually, uh, we'll talk offline. Cause our next, our next scheduled morning to record is actually Christmas morning, which I'm going to guess is our wives will not appreciate if we're on the podcast at seven in the morning on Christmas day. Sorry kids, we can't open the presents yet. We got a podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. Grim says on the phone. Yeah. Yeah. Sweet. We'll figure that out. But Merry Christmas everybody. Take care.
00:34:03
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Each week on the Business of Machining podcast, we ask viewers to send in an audio clip of how the Business of Machining podcast has affected or helped them. Here's this week's viewer. Hello, my name is Mike Goulet. I am a quality assurance inspector for an aerospace company here in Southern California. And when I do have time, I am also a small business owner.
00:34:32
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I own the sign specialist here in Southern California and I have a 4 foot by 8 foot CNC router that allows me to make dimensional signs for businesses or homes or ranches, you name it.
00:34:49
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It's fun, I've learned a lot from experience and crashing my homemade machine. And I've also learned a lot listening to your show. Bomb is an amazing insight into the day-to-day operations of a business, of your machining business, and getting to hear about the products that you're developing, the products that you sell, getting to see you on Instagram,
00:35:16
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John on YouTube. Back in the day I watched NYCNC so much and I learned a lot from you as a CNC hobbyist and that has grown into a business which continues to grow out of my small garage here in the high desert.
00:35:38
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But thank you for what you guys do. It's really cool to hear how you guys are continuously improving and utilizing 6S or 5S and going through and doing your Kaizen process to better the workflow or tool flow or how you store and track tools or how you guys are hiring people.
00:36:07
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and your businesses are growing. Those are all helpful things for me for expanding my business. And I look forward to getting to those landmarks in my business. So thank you for that. I look forward to hearing your shows. I find myself watching the clock, waiting for the next podcast to drop. So please keep it up. Love hearing your guys' conversations. Hopefully you guys continue to grow and be successful.
00:36:35
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And I look forward to the next conversation between both of you. Have a wonderful week, guys.