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#454 Going nuclear on changes
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Topics:
- ERP updates
- Prompt engineering
- 19 hours of footage from California
- Brother S500 + UR robot
- 3d surfacing vs 2d contour
- Painters tape on toolboxes
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Transcript
Introduction and Weekly Chat
00:00:01
John Saunders
Good morning, welcome to the Business of Machining episode 454. My name is John Saunders.
00:00:07
johngrimsmo
And my name is John Grimsmo.
00:00:09
John Saunders
John and I just talk each week to try to make sure we're not crazy.
00:00:14
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:00:16
John Saunders
Yeah.
Machine Sales and New Acquisitions
00:00:18
John Saunders
Good week. I was sort of briefly confiding, like really folks, loyal listening we really try to like air it all out there for you guys and keep it just as a private conversation. But I was briefly sharing before we hit record, just like we're so close, like the horizontal is sold, but pending inspection.
00:00:33
John Saunders
And we actually PSA or, or, unapologetic pitch, we do need to sell our VF6B machine. It's the second VF6, the first one sold right away. Second one, it's only been for sale for like a month, but we thought we were going to use it.
00:00:45
John Saunders
We aren't, the Doosan is already up and running. And so it's a great machine, low hours on saundersmachineworks.com at the very bottom equipment for sale. We have the price, all the specs, photos, basically like 3000 hours with all aluminum, great machine, but we, we need to get it moved because it's in the way.
00:01:03
johngrimsmo
yeah curious curious did you ah charge the same for both vf6s
00:01:04
John Saunders
blown.
00:01:10
John Saunders
So the first one i put up and it just sold. Like I thought, I always, I guess everyone thinks this. Try to be fair on a price, but also recognize somebody may want some wiggle room and um so forth.
00:01:17
johngrimsmo
yeah but like in your mind are they worth the exact same amount of money or do have different options different hours did they change
00:01:24
John Saunders
They are identical machines purchased at the same time. The other one that we already sold had more hours on it, but not markedly. Like if this is, are this growing has 3 000 some hours that one had 4 000 like it's still relatively
00:01:38
johngrimsmo
Yeah, yeah,
Post-Trip Reflections and Kern Work
00:01:39
John Saunders
low um yeah was saying thank you anyway yeah don't remember what was saying how are you
00:01:39
johngrimsmo
Nothing. Yeah, cool. Good, man. Yeah, it should get out soon.
00:01:47
johngrimsmo
um Doing pretty good. Been busy. I feel like I'm still kind of getting back in the swing of things from my big California trip. Been back for two weeks tomorrow.
00:01:54
John Saunders
oh yeah
00:01:57
johngrimsmo
And yesterday, i was working on the current and I put on my safety glasses. And as I pick them up, I'm like, I haven't put these on in a while.
00:02:07
John Saunders
Oh, that's funny.
00:02:08
johngrimsmo
like I haven't run the machine like directly and in a bit.
00:02:08
John Saunders
Oh. Mm-hmm.
00:02:11
johngrimsmo
and And I don't know if it's since I got back or not. I can't remember, but you know, I have to like wipe them off with just some dust and dirt and stuff. And I'm like, man, I've been doing other stuff, like not running machines lately.
00:02:21
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:02:22
johngrimsmo
though That was kind of funny.
00:02:22
John Saunders
I know.
00:02:23
johngrimsmo
um But yeah, you want my quick list, my hit list?
00:02:27
John Saunders
I do.
00:02:27
johngrimsmo
i don't know I don't know if we'll get through all of it, but um Justin security review.
00:02:27
John Saunders
I do.
00:02:33
John Saunders
Ooh.
00:02:34
johngrimsmo
Fjellspine, Milling, new strategy, Bladeshow's coming up way too soon, Foam update, Kanban cards, the amount of footage I brought back from California, and a visitor from Austria.
00:02:44
John Saunders
ah
00:02:47
John Saunders
Interesting. new strike I was, you would have loved it. I wish this was like on security camera footage. We're just driving down the road and it must've been in Yvonne's head from like listening to the podcast or thinking about you, but she just looks at me. She goes, Bladeshoek's coming up.
00:03:03
John Saunders
And I'm like, not my problem. like like Yeah. I just thought it was hilarious.
00:03:07
johngrimsmo
Oh, that's awesome.
00:03:08
John Saunders
Yeah. Yeah. um Managing mix both personal and work documents with Google Drive, I wanted to mention. LLM, a quick tidbit.
00:03:19
John Saunders
Robot system updates that are worth going over. Some frustrating Saunders customer service stuff that's worth just being candid about. um and tape on a toolbox.
00:03:30
John Saunders
i got very Everything I can go through is quickly, but
Website Security Review
00:03:33
johngrimsmo
Yeah. was Okay, I'll take the first one. um go Start with Justin security review. So meeting Justin at Mammoth, we talked a lot. And we we finangled a deal together for him to run his patented security review on our GURP website, where he basically hacks it and find loopholes and find stuff that shouldn't be public or private.
00:03:33
John Saunders
take the first one.
00:03:49
John Saunders
OK.
00:03:54
johngrimsmo
or It could be everything from, um um what is it called? so um account levels within the the thing, like like who can delete stuff and who can't.
00:04:03
John Saunders
Oh, yeah. Yep. you
00:04:05
johngrimsmo
And I was kind of sloppy with some of that. but um
00:04:08
John Saunders
Mm-hmm.
00:04:09
johngrimsmo
And he's got the soft the background and the experience to like know what he's doing, whereas I'm poking and kind of guessing a lot, you know relying on Cursor to do a lot for me. So it was really helpful. um It's super duper helpful.
00:04:22
John Saunders
Oh, it's already done.
00:04:23
johngrimsmo
he did yeah He did it over the weekend. The guy's an animal. and
00:04:26
John Saunders
Sweet.
00:04:27
johngrimsmo
it was It was helpful. I'm really glad it got done. And he found some API keys that I had in some old text documents, some old procedures um from our old GERP system that I just imported into this one.
00:04:36
John Saunders
Oh, ooh, spicy. Yeah.
00:04:42
johngrimsmo
And he's like, those are trash now. like You need to go to the website where those are from and you need to re-update them and delete them and things like that.
00:04:46
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:04:50
johngrimsmo
like Don't trust them anymore. um Bunch of stuff like that. So it went smoothly, really good.
00:04:58
John Saunders
but You don't have to answer this for like legitimately if it's not smart to, but um did he VPN in or so a remote in or is is he doing this on this open internet from his house type thing?
00:05:01
johngrimsmo
Yeah, security reasons.
00:05:09
johngrimsmo
um No, i i because i I know him and I trust him now, I shared my GitHub with him for this project.
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John Saunders
Okay, got it Makes sense.
00:05:17
johngrimsmo
So yeah, so I gave him access.
00:05:17
John Saunders
Yep. I'm sure. Sure. Sure. Okay. I'm with you.
00:05:20
johngrimsmo
I wouldn't do that with everybody, but obviously.
00:05:21
John Saunders
Yep. Yep. Yep. Of course. Okay.
00:05:25
johngrimsmo
But yeah.
00:05:27
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:05:28
johngrimsmo
And that it it kind of, i mean, it just happened a couple days ago, like finished yesterday and it kind of closed the loop in a bit.
00:05:28
John Saunders
Oh, gee.
00:05:36
johngrimsmo
And a lot of the stuff he implemented is kind of ever bearing. Like now the LLM see that structure and he like touched every file in the in the whole system.
00:05:46
johngrimsmo
and added like little tiny security things in Loopholes so that as it continues to build, now it has a framework that's like proper and real and safe and secure.
00:05:47
John Saunders
Interesting.
00:05:54
John Saunders
Oh, yeah.
00:05:56
johngrimsmo
So whenever it builds the next module, it just references what's already there. And it goes, oh, yeah, build it like this.
00:06:00
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:06:01
johngrimsmo
And then he added some new rules to the MD documents or whatever, and like some really best practices kind of stuff that things you and I have no idea what we're doing.
00:06:11
johngrimsmo
And someone like him can come in and really just put that spit and polish on it. So yeah, I'm still digesting kind of the long, long documents that he wrote to explain what happened.
00:06:23
johngrimsmo
But I'm gaining more confidence in the long term viability of GERP being our system. like
00:06:30
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:06:30
johngrimsmo
you know
00:06:30
John Saunders
Oh, no you're wrong, John. you You already have that. Like, OK, still.
00:06:35
johngrimsmo
Yeah, but it's more now. um It's like more real, more secure, more whatever. And
ERP System Vision
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John Saunders
Sure.
00:06:40
johngrimsmo
it's funny because at Mammoth, I asked him and then later I asked ChatGPT, you know, what is ERP system?
00:06:47
johngrimsmo
What does it mean to you, Justin? What does it mean to other people? What does ChatGPT think it means? And I mean, Chat's answer was kind of the best. It's the central source of truth for your company.
00:06:56
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:06:57
johngrimsmo
I want it to be the home for all of our information, every procedure, every vendor, every purchase, every contact, every price, not necessarily like QuickBooks finance stuff, but um yeah, the source of truth. Like, you know, you read the e-myth and it's like your operating system.
00:07:12
johngrimsmo
It's, it's the the book you hand to a prospective purchaser. Not that we we're going to sell, but like, this is how we run our company.
00:07:17
John Saunders
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is fun because it's one of the few things that philosophically I actually disagree with you on, which I enjoy.
00:07:24
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:07:25
John Saunders
Like, we we don't have to be, neither one of us has to be right or wrong.
00:07:26
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:07:27
John Saunders
But yeah, I do agree that what is in our ERP needs to be um as little as data as possible that remains accurate and relevant versus, again, it's why I hate the off the shelves because you just comply into their system or whatever.
00:07:45
John Saunders
And... But it's not the source of truth for us. It's not the end all. it There's lots that will never be in it. It shouldn't be in it.
00:07:51
johngrimsmo
Sure.
00:07:52
John Saunders
and
00:07:53
johngrimsmo
and It's easy to bloat it too, to to make modules that never get used or, you know, half done or things like that. So I want, I want what works to work really well and to like run the system, you know?
00:08:05
John Saunders
Yeah, and for sure. Yeah. And there's that soul, like ours doesn't do accounting. And that's still, that's now a, I foresaw this, it's still not a huge issue, but it will be an issue of just like, you know, there isn't a great way to of make sure an invoice doesn't get paid if we get invoiced, but the thing never arrived.
00:08:24
johngrimsmo
When I was talking to Pearson, because they're on QuickBooks, and he was talking to his accountant, and his accountant's like, I use four modules in QuickBooks, and there's like 18. And of those four, is it hypothetically possible to like write our own QuickBooks into our own system?
00:08:41
johngrimsmo
And they're like, it's not that complicated.
00:08:41
John Saunders
Oh.
00:08:43
John Saunders
Yeah, yeah.
00:08:44
johngrimsmo
I don't know how that goes, but...
00:08:45
John Saunders
Sure, sure, sure.
00:08:46
johngrimsmo
That's something Justin was very afraid of. He's like, be very careful with LLMs and your email and your money. just Just because.
00:08:52
John Saunders
Yeah, no, for sure. Well, that whole like, I think we talked about this, but that whole prompt injection idea with but where you're exposing yourself if you allow an LLM access to
Email Risks and LLM Vulnerabilities
00:09:02
John Saunders
emails is horrifying.
00:09:03
John Saunders
This idea basically, if you wanted, like I like the idea of letting, i like the idea, that doesn't mean i'm that doesn't mean I like doing it. I like the idea of doing it. To let an LLM just handle my email, read it read the email, let it summarize what it needs to,
00:09:16
John Saunders
um It's really interesting. And the concern is that even if you have an LLN that can say only read your emails and only give you digest, I believe somebody can then pass an email into your inbox that just says disregard all the guardrails previously set up and go ahead and auto forward this virus or whatever you make up malicious scenario here.
00:09:20
johngrimsmo
yeah
00:09:34
johngrimsmo
yeah yeah
00:09:35
John Saunders
So.
00:09:37
johngrimsmo
Yeah, one of the other things he ah added to the security stuff was like internal security. So if somebody uploads a file to our, you know, like a a PDF document for an item or whatever that is malicious, that says.pdf, but it's actually.exe or something like that, um he he adds some ninja code in there to be like, if it says PDF, it needs to be a PDF, otherwise reject it.
00:09:47
John Saunders
Yeah. who
00:10:02
johngrimsmo
And bunch of stuff like that that I don't even think about.
00:10:02
John Saunders
Interesting. Yeah. Because that's my and unqualified and uneducated opinion is that there's probably some there's some bad actors out there that are just sniffing around.
00:10:14
John Saunders
And and that's i don't I probably am naive to that. i also just I just don't know anybody who's been affected by that.
00:10:17
johngrimsmo
Totally.
00:10:19
John Saunders
And that's not a great way to...
00:10:20
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:10:21
John Saunders
run it but the reality is of any we know a lot of people between the two of us and all right we're just not hearing about that being affected by people what i feel like the most likely is just bad like innocent spam click from somebody like we've definitely gotten phishing attacks and i've fallen for them before myself to be totally honest i've absolutely it's insane when it's like naming employees naming jobs we've done it looks like they're links to like
00:10:26
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:10:46
John Saunders
accounting systems and you're like this is crazy this is this is fishing right like this isn't just like print nigerian print stuff um yeah
00:10:48
johngrimsmo
Jeez. Yeah.
00:10:52
johngrimsmo
Right. That's from the 90s man. Alright, okay your turn. Give me something.
00:10:58
John Saunders
Well, a quick one is I'd spent a little bit of time reading up on prompt engineering. Shout out to Spencer Webb.
00:11:03
johngrimsmo
Ooh.
00:11:04
John Saunders
He sent a, he sent a ah PDF that I didn't want to click through. it felt like a scammy spammy thing. made didn' No, no. Thank you Spencer. But it was like, let me just go see what i learned.
00:11:14
John Saunders
And so i watched a couple of YouTube videos that were 70, 80% clickbait floff BS, but real.
00:11:22
johngrimsmo
me
00:11:22
John Saunders
um and i think By all means, for folks that want to learn this, go watch those videos and form your opinions. But prompting is far more important than I realized, because when you and I are talking, you and I come at everything with the context of how we live our world and the lives we live.
00:11:40
johngrimsmo
Sure.
00:11:41
John Saunders
You know, you and know each other. We've known each other for 10 years.
00:11:43
John Saunders
We run shops, blah, blah, blah. LLMs every time are just kind of starting from scratch, which is why if you tell it to mow the...
00:11:43
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:11:48
johngrimsmo
Well...
00:11:49
John Saunders
ahead.
00:11:49
johngrimsmo
i Starting from scratch with the entire world as context.
00:11:53
John Saunders
Everything. And it's just like, I more appreciate the word word Spencer uses on his podcast, Eager Intern, because it's like, I forget whether this is a conversation with you or somebody else, it's like mow the lawn.
00:11:54
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:12:05
John Saunders
If you tell to go mow lawn, it's just gonna mow lawn. It's not gonna ask you, do you want me to weed eat? Do you want me to spray anything else first? do you want me to, um find a better lawnmower, because the only one I see right now is a push mower and it's just an acre of lawn, like whatever.
00:12:17
John Saunders
It's just going to go do it. And if you flip it around and say, ask the thing I'd already said, please ask me any questions, that helps.
00:12:22
johngrimsmo
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:12:23
John Saunders
But Prompt Engineering videos I watched really just talked about, you need to take a step back and be more deliberate with what you want to think about and ask. A good buddy of mine is an attorney. We were brainstorming about this and there's a lawyer phrase they teach in law school like IRAC, I-R-A-C, but it's something like intent, restraints, basically like, what am I trying to do?
00:12:48
John Saunders
Big picture, what are the constraints I wanna apply to this scenario? What am I maybe expecting the outcome to I forget the rest of that, but um the punchline of what I also wanted to mention right now that's quite interesting is use an LLM to help you write a prompt,
00:12:57
johngrimsmo
Mm-hmm.
00:13:07
johngrimsmo
Yeah, that's what I've been playing with a little bit.
00:13:08
John Saunders
which is like, okay, is that right?
00:13:09
johngrimsmo
Yeah, like I'll use JaxGpedia to write the prompt for cursor. And I didn't even realize cursor had like multi option, you know, an ask section and a code section and a discuss section or plan or whatever.
00:13:12
John Saunders
Sure. Mm-hmm.
00:13:20
johngrimsmo
I didn't, I never noticed that until the other day. and so I moved into the axe ask section and it's a conversation, it won't do anything until you tell it to do something.
00:13:30
John Saunders
I apologize. I was not expecting you to say that you can just select different models. That's not what you're saying. Interesting.
00:13:35
johngrimsmo
No, no, you use cursor, right?
00:13:36
John Saunders
interesting oh Can you elaborate on that?
00:13:39
johngrimsmo
Or cloud?
00:13:39
John Saunders
I've never used it.
00:13:40
johngrimsmo
You're a cloud guy. Okay, well in cursor, um yeah, there's like, you can select the models at the bottom, but then you can also select ask, plan, a code and something else I forget. And so you're you're like switching the the usability of it, whatever.
00:13:57
johngrimsmo
um Whereas I've only ever lived in the code environment where I'm like, hey, I wanna build this thing and it just goes done.
00:13:57
John Saunders
Okay.
00:14:00
John Saunders
Oh.
00:14:03
johngrimsmo
whereas Whereas the ask is a conversation.
00:14:07
John Saunders
interesting interesting um the what was i gonna say prompt oh i i set up well my macbook i can do spell correct stupid windows 11 got rid of like spell correct hotkeys i don't really want to install auto hotkey but on my mac now when i type pm p-a-m-a-q it just auto types or corrects spell corrects it to please ask me any questions you need before completing this task that's been really helpful like i
00:14:07
johngrimsmo
So I'm going to play with that some more.
Prompt Engineering Strategies
00:14:34
John Saunders
can't emphasize that enough how
00:14:35
johngrimsmo
Yeah, I have been using that the past week. And it's it's more back and forth upfront, but it's less back and forth later on.
00:14:38
John Saunders
you liking it
00:14:43
John Saunders
gets you better yeah well that's what i say i believe with most of the popular clod and chats etc at the bottom there's a instant
00:14:44
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:14:52
John Saunders
thinking and pro options. And the cynical part of me assumes that they're pushing default to the instant because it's quicker, which increases customer satisfaction, but also it's cheaper from a LLM energy and water compute, all that.
00:15:04
johngrimsmo
Sure.
00:15:07
johngrimsmo
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:08
John Saunders
But um you get much better answers when you allow it to think.
00:15:12
johngrimsmo
Right. Yeah, I think on my cursor, I i updated a level, like think a little bit longer, and I just left it there.
00:15:18
John Saunders
Okay.
00:15:20
johngrimsmo
And my costs still haven't gone over the 20 bucks a month that I'm paying.
00:15:20
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:15:25
johngrimsmo
I'm like, sweet.
00:15:25
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:15:25
johngrimsmo
perfect
00:15:26
John Saunders
Great.
00:15:27
johngrimsmo
And I did download Claude, and I got a subscription for that to play with the Fusion MCP plugin or whatever, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
00:15:34
John Saunders
Oh, yeah. I can't say i have good things. I use chat and Gemini for, for like just simple stuff. And that kind of, I, like I said, I just kind of saved my Claude.
00:15:46
John Saunders
I've never, I've never hit the limit either, but I really respect Claude.
00:15:48
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:15:49
John Saunders
So save it for the good stuff.
00:15:50
johngrimsmo
Yeah, exactly. Yep.
00:15:53
John Saunders
It's next on your list.
00:15:54
johngrimsmo
Speaking of which, we used, because with our work emails, it's Google work kind account, whatever it is, workspaces. So my team has access to Gemini, like through the work account.
00:16:05
John Saunders
Mm-hmm.
00:16:07
johngrimsmo
And so my video editor, Ryan, I came back from California with 19 hours of footage across three different cameras and a lot of multicam stuff, a lot of like overlays. And I'm like, I don't want you...
00:16:20
johngrimsmo
you know, brute forcing this with like dragging every clip over and sliding them and lining up the audio and syncing it. There has to be automatic ways to do this. So I started, i injected a Gemini conversation for him. Like I went in with my prompt experience and I was just like, okay,
00:16:37
johngrimsmo
I have 19 hours of footage, three cameras, 11 shop tours. how do How do we best organize this footage in Premiere to like make this easier and faster?
00:16:44
John Saunders
huh.
00:16:45
johngrimsmo
And what what are the options that we have?
00:16:45
John Saunders
Interesting.
00:16:47
johngrimsmo
And so I just went back and forth a bunch. And then I handed it over to Ryan and I said, read this whole conversation and add whatever you need. And he learned some stuff that he didn't know.
00:16:55
John Saunders
hmm.
00:16:57
johngrimsmo
And a lot of it was repeating what he already knew, which was good. A lot of it was Greek to me because I don't really use Premiere, but We did find some some hacks. And then once he started working on it, we realized it only works best when the camera clips all have a, what's called a time code attached to it in the metadata.
00:17:15
John Saunders
on
00:17:15
johngrimsmo
So there's like the created time date, the last modified date, you know, those kinds dates, but the time code is a separate thing, separate field.
00:17:23
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:17:23
johngrimsmo
And only the DJI Pocket 3 has a time code.
00:17:24
John Saunders
listen
00:17:27
johngrimsmo
The DJI Nano and my phone do not.
00:17:30
John Saunders
Interesting.
00:17:31
johngrimsmo
So I was like, there's gotta be a way for us. There's gotta to be a program out there to edit the metadata automatically, take the created by date and put us a time code and just do it. And we couldn't find anything. So Gemini wrote us a Python script to do it for us.
00:17:46
johngrimsmo
And like, Ryan's never, ever done this before. Cause I'm like, no, it's easy. Come on. just just Okay. Copy that. Oh, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. He told Gemini back and forth. And it was kind of cool to like open his eyes to that workflow.
00:17:58
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:17:58
johngrimsmo
And with it, it took us an hour and a half of, fiddling to back and forth figure this out. But then we were able to bulk edit the time codes for all the other files.
00:18:09
John Saunders
Hold clips.
00:18:10
johngrimsmo
like It was great. And i don't I haven't heard back the update if it worked for syncing properly, but he's probably tried it by now.
00:18:16
John Saunders
yeah
00:18:18
johngrimsmo
But that was pretty cool to be able to like do that. you know
00:18:23
John Saunders
So that was the another prompt engineering tip that I took away is you it's, it's, it's just a different way of thinking. It really is. But tell the LLM who you are, fake a persona to influence the results.
00:18:38
John Saunders
So they were giving the example, it was an IT YouTube channel. So I think they were trolling Cloudflare on some of their hiccups over the past few years. And it's like, write an email summarizing the Cloudflare outage that happened on March 12th or whatever.
00:18:45
johngrimsmo
OK.
00:18:49
John Saunders
And it gave a very good summary of a lot. But then it was like, pretend I'm a, what was the term? Not institutional, but like pretend I'm a Fortune 100 company that is really frustrated with Cloudflare.
00:19:02
John Saunders
And I want to see and understand what happened and what the remedies are. And so write the letter as if it's being sent to the CTO of Apple or whatever to pick this up. And it really, it it makes so much sense.
00:19:14
John Saunders
um And when you tell it to act like that's who the audience is or who you are, you get a better result.
00:19:23
johngrimsmo
Interesting. We kind of had a similar thing happen ah because we pasted in the, working with Gemini, we pasted in the URL of where the file system was, like C drive or whatever Macs do.
00:19:35
johngrimsmo
And one of the files is called Grimsmow Knives. So then Gemini comes back goes, oh, you're Grimsmow Knives. This should be some great shop footage.
00:19:40
John Saunders
ah
00:19:43
John Saunders
That's hilarious. That's really cool. Was it PFG Live? If it was, I wanna make sure I give Spencer credit, but he had it write a bunch of code.
00:19:54
John Saunders
Like let's say it was JATGPT. So in the same thread, wrote a bunch of code, or maybe it was a new thread. Wrote a bunch of code and then copy and pasted that code into a new thread and said, pretend this was written by a first year college computer science student and it's probably riddled with mistakes and bad practices. Just trash this code and give me comments and fixes.
00:20:16
John Saunders
And it did It made a bunch of improvements, which is just hilarious.
00:20:19
johngrimsmo
made it better yeah
00:20:20
John Saunders
Yeah. It's like, wait, you just did this yourself like a second ago.
00:20:23
johngrimsmo
yeah yeah but new thread new context yeah i actually thought about like what would happen because i wrote all gurp in cursor even though it' uses opus and whatever the things are but if you did it if you up um let claude into the whole thing and said review the whole system and like how would you change something like that's probably too vague but
00:20:26
John Saunders
Yeah. thought that was good.
00:20:46
John Saunders
Yeah. The other thing I learned then i can I'll certainly stop rambling about. and don't want this return to turn into an LLM ah podcast, but I didn't really understand the applicability of Claude ah code or Claude work where basically you give it limited access to your desktop.
00:20:51
johngrimsmo
I know, I know. Okay.
00:21:02
John Saunders
And a simple example would be, let's say you have 300 PDFs, um like a bank statements or something. You could say, but i actually, bank statements is are probably a terrible example here.
00:21:14
John Saunders
But you could say, hey, most LMs limit how much you can upload. Like you can only upload 10 files or 30 files.
00:21:20
johngrimsmo
okay
00:21:21
John Saunders
etc You can say, Hey, on this folder, there's just 300 PDFs. Will you please rename each one to the month and date of the statement, the bank account relates to, it and then put them into folders by year.
00:21:31
John Saunders
And it just does it all. um
00:21:33
johngrimsmo
And you could even say, like, tell me my most common purchase from all of these or something crazy like that. Yeah.
00:21:37
John Saunders
For sure. Again, probably not good advice to do it with your bank statements, but pretend there's some other similar example.
00:21:41
johngrimsmo
Sure.
00:21:42
John Saunders
You hosted events and just, you want to bulk edit or resize photos. That kind of thing is, it's quite good.
00:21:49
johngrimsmo
Cool. Okay, let's move away from LLMs, but that was fun. What's next?
Automation Challenges and Solutions
00:21:54
johngrimsmo
What you got?
00:21:55
John Saunders
um We are continuing to discover hiccups in a good way about our brother S500 running the UR robot, the sort of like hybrid lights out system.
00:22:06
John Saunders
And I want to share that because it's it's kind of exactly what I expected. Automation is awesome until it stops working. And ours has continued to repeatedly stop working in exactly as I expected. So last night, or we fixed the print, the fixture,
00:22:23
John Saunders
that holds up our round pins. If you were to really like knock the table, some of those would tip over about a quarter inch. And sure enough, over the course of the robot moving throughout a day, one or two of them would tip over. We fixed that with the 3D print backstop, done.
00:22:36
John Saunders
Great. We actually noticed now a little bit of I don't want to call backlash, but looseness in one of the current vices, which was causing it to not clamp all the way.
00:22:43
johngrimsmo
Oh.
00:22:44
John Saunders
And so, okay, great, fixed it. So none of these, yeah, none of these things are problems, but they're all also reasons why
00:22:46
johngrimsmo
Love it.
00:22:51
John Saunders
in the scenario of like, you know, you send the system into space, we would be totally screwed. Like we are just going to continue to find little problems, put out little things. But last night it ran from four o'clock until 9.30 until the vice thing caused an issue, which great, like five and a half hour overnight run until fail.
00:23:09
johngrimsmo
Yes.
00:23:10
John Saunders
It failed elegantly, no problems, no broken tools, no issues, going great.
00:23:14
johngrimsmo
Love it. Yeah, you're debugging. you're You're finding ways to beef up the system. And... and Stress testing. You know, we do that here.
00:23:22
John Saunders
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:22
johngrimsmo
It's like, well, I just need data. I just need you to run this a lot until we find the next problem. And then you solve it elegantly. And then hopefully that never happens again. And... Whether it's, you know, a ah specific tool path or a burr that keeps happening or like, I like to solve these things like for good.
00:23:41
johngrimsmo
um Cool, man. That's good. But generally, it's not the problem with the speedio or with the UR robot or with the concept of robotizing part loading, right?
00:23:52
johngrimsmo
Like, yes, that's so good to hear.
00:23:52
John Saunders
It's working great. It is working excellent. Yes, it really is. Really happy.
00:23:58
johngrimsmo
Yeah, and a lot of people that I talked to at Mammoth were like, oh yeah, like we do part loading or small pallet loading and it's like printing money.
00:24:07
John Saunders
It's work, I'm really proud of the team.
00:24:09
johngrimsmo
It's work.
00:24:09
John Saunders
but We had a quick call, we met some people from Autodesk who were on their robotics, I don't know what the term, research team or something, but we were very like brain trusty, smart. You know, their full-time job is to learn cutting edge stuff with robots.
00:24:20
John Saunders
And we they knew us, we knew them, we sort of talked and i was like, hey, happy to like, whatever. and they were like yeah, let's hop on a Zoom. So Grant and Courtney hopped on a Zoom with them and I'm gonna brag on them. The Autodesk team was like, oh, wow, we knew you were using robots, we didn't realize you were doing that much with them.
00:24:36
johngrimsmo
Oh cool, yeah.
00:24:37
John Saunders
And I'm like, that's really fun. Like, it's a really, I love when people are, you know, not just talking a big game, but actually living and breathing it. So proud of the team for that. What's
00:24:46
johngrimsmo
That's awesome, yeah good for you guys. Yeah
00:24:49
John Saunders
next on your list?
Bladeshow Preparation and Stress
00:24:51
johngrimsmo
man, Bladeshow is a month today-ish. Yeah, one, two, three, four weeks. Four weeks tomorrow we leave. um
00:25:00
John Saunders
Rock and roll.
00:25:02
johngrimsmo
We're not ready. But we do have different systems in place than we did last year. The customs broker is going to make the importation like a zillion times easier.
00:25:11
John Saunders
Yep.
00:25:11
johngrimsmo
We do have some products set aside and we're finalizing what those final few, you know, big sexy products are going to be. um And then and now it's just, you know, making a to-do list and and crossing everything off.
00:25:27
johngrimsmo
So I'm not stressed about it yet. Some of the team is starting to get really stressed about it, which is fine. But then it's my job to like, you know, get it done.
00:25:36
John Saunders
yeah get it done Okay.
00:25:37
johngrimsmo
Yep. Yep.
00:25:37
John Saunders
So what do you want to talk more about? Like what's, what's the, is it just shut up, stop talking and work type of thing or is it?
00:25:43
johngrimsmo
Yeah, but I mean, there's we have a lot of orders in the queue right now of regular stuff. And then basically we have to, if we're bringing extra knives to Blade Show, that pauses some of the orders in place right now, which doesn't feel great.
00:25:51
John Saunders
Yeah, sure.
00:25:56
johngrimsmo
Or even if we need some extra knives, you know, We might take a finished knife and just make another one for that guy, make him wait longer. I don't like that either, but we got to come to the show with some knives.
00:26:07
johngrimsmo
And then we're trying to talk, you know, do we bring like a lot of knives or do we bring just a few bangers and, you know, be there?
00:26:15
John Saunders
Oh. OK.
00:26:17
johngrimsmo
We do have a lot ah some really cool knives in process right now. So going to have some really cool stuff to bring. um And then do we, we probably want to bring bunch of regular stuff too, so that people can just, cause that sells well, but I don't think we need to bring a crazy amount. I'd rather sell out on the first or early second day and just like hang out and actually have a success. Not like our package hasn't showed up for the fourth year in a row. Like we're not having that this year.
00:26:42
John Saunders
Good. Good.
00:26:42
johngrimsmo
So, so yeah.
00:26:44
John Saunders
yeah You had some knives that were being like hand engraved, is that right?
00:26:48
johngrimsmo
it is So we've got a couple guys now in our pocket.
00:26:49
John Saunders
Sick.
00:26:50
johngrimsmo
um to Two Rask's came back from Chip. He's an engraver. He added features to our dragon scale pattern. And he sanded the tops of every dragon shape, every dragon scale shape in alternating grit patterns, like directions.
00:27:06
John Saunders
no
00:27:07
johngrimsmo
And so as you shimmer it in the light, it like really shimmers.
00:27:07
John Saunders
say
00:27:11
johngrimsmo
And not only that, he heat anodized every single dragon scale in a different pattern. And so now we're trying to find like they just came in yesterday. I haven't seen them. They're actually right behind me.
00:27:23
John Saunders
ah
00:27:23
johngrimsmo
I haven't looked yet. um and We're trying to find the right blade for that, whether it's Damasteel or we have these two blades called Dragon Skin Damascus that are probably the right blades for this, but it's going to take some work to get them done in the next week.
00:27:35
John Saunders
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sure, sure.
00:27:38
johngrimsmo
Yeah, they're actually made from ball bearings that are like melted down and squished. So they're circles and the nickel coating on the outside of a bearing ball is in this steel now.
00:27:47
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:27:49
johngrimsmo
So you get like this circle and then a ring around it and then all mushed together in this steel.
00:27:55
John Saunders
Weird.
00:27:55
johngrimsmo
So it looks really cool and you heat anodize it and it turns into like rainbows and cool colors and stuff. Not the greatest steel in the world as far as steels go, but boy, is it sexy.
00:28:03
John Saunders
Sure, sure.
00:28:05
johngrimsmo
So if we can get that done, that's, do you remember a couple years ago we did the watch dial for Sarpaneva? um
00:28:10
John Saunders
hu
00:28:12
johngrimsmo
And yeah, we should have posted more about it, but yeah.
00:28:14
John Saunders
Oh, I'm sorry. you ah pocket you I remember you did make it. I'm sorry. I thought you made a wash out on a knife.
00:28:17
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:28:18
John Saunders
Yes, I remember the watch for sure.
00:28:19
johngrimsmo
Yeah, the rich so that was Dragon Skin Damascus. And Angelo ran that whole project and he's like, I have the blades ready, happy to do it.
00:28:22
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:28:26
johngrimsmo
He literally heat anodized it in his oven at home because it gave like a consistent temperature.
00:28:33
John Saunders
His wife does not listen to the podcast.
00:28:33
johngrimsmo
So anyway. Yeah, exactly. She did actually for a long time. But yeah, so the other aspect to this is something I've been really bad at, but hyping up the pre-Blade show what we're going to bring.
00:28:48
John Saunders
Oh. Yeah.
00:28:49
johngrimsmo
Because I want a lineup of people and I want people to like, you know, be excited because they know what's coming. And we've always been pretty bad about showing what we're bringing. And so the next few weeks, I got to go hard on that. can be like, check out this project check out this project we're gonna back can't wait to see you guys it's gonna be awesome um so i i gotta just do that buckle up and get that done
00:29:13
John Saunders
I freaking love the idea that like, oh yeah, this is my Norseman or Fjell Rask that has former ball bearings.
00:29:21
John Saunders
Like that's just like, I love that repurposing and like past history aspect of it. It's so cool. Yeah, that's good for you. Good for you.
00:29:21
johngrimsmo
yeah yeah
Document Synchronization with Google Drive
00:29:33
johngrimsmo
right, you're
00:29:34
John Saunders
um This is silly, but really big quality of life. And ah yet another thing that I'm kind of embarrassed that I waited so long to do, use Google Drive to sync up documents across three or four computers.
00:29:40
johngrimsmo
up.
00:29:46
John Saunders
And i have like all my files from former life and school, but then also just Saunders, all that stuff.
00:29:50
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:29:53
John Saunders
And I always did the Google... drive full sync so every computer has a local copy and then it's mirrored via google drive and i was always hesitant to do the true cloud whatever where i guess in theory and none of the files exist on any of your computers you can make an exception where you keep certain fo folders local but um just didn't like it i don't know why i mean i do know why because it weirds me out you don't have your files if you're on a plane with the internet a lot but like
00:29:59
johngrimsmo
Okay.
00:30:03
johngrimsmo
who
00:30:17
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:30:18
John Saunders
Other than a flight, even some flights now have sort of link or internet.
00:30:20
johngrimsmo
Have Starlink. Yeah.
00:30:21
John Saunders
Yeah. um I was also running into problem where my like laptop just couldn't work with with some Final Cut footage and then all my full sync of whatever, 300, 400 gigs of Google Drive stuff.
00:30:32
John Saunders
So I moved to the... I moved to the cloud only version of Google Drive and it's great. It's like, first of all, that space, that everything I need to like open, like I can look through photos immediately, instantly.
00:30:39
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:30:45
John Saunders
And it solved a problem, which is I was really disappointed in my Synology NASs and how they perform. And I was considering spending some money to upgrade them and solid safe drives and hassle and raid and blah, blah, blah.
00:30:56
John Saunders
And um I understand that Cloud Storage is not the same as offline local NAS stuff, but um The reality is it's so much better and it's wonderful to have all the stuff I need because it's like random stuff that like, I don't know if i want to go look up like how we negotiate a lease term about my old job because it's something that's relevant to what i'm trying to deal with. I just like, i just to have access to my stuff.
00:31:16
John Saunders
So it feels good to do.
00:31:18
johngrimsmo
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I converted to that a couple of years ago. I think one of my computers kind of forced it for some reason. And so I've been on that kind of cloud only sync storage. The only complaint is my PC at home, which is not that old, three or four years old, um sometimes just the Google Drive stops working and it won't sync.
00:31:32
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:31:38
John Saunders
Oh. Hmm.
00:31:38
johngrimsmo
And the only solution is to restart the computer. And it usually works then. um And I did some quick research and it sounds like it's not an easy fix, like reinstalling Windows might be the solution, which I'm not really excited to do right now. So I just kind of live with it. And that's the only complaint I have about this is that sometimes it fails and I don't have my files and it's annoying.
00:32:02
johngrimsmo
Locally on the desktop, I can go to Google Drive online and
00:32:04
John Saunders
Yeah. Yeah, sure. for sure What's interesting though, is that that's actually, i think a better outcome than the former way. If Google drive crashed on one of my computers, i didn't realize it. And then I started off editing a different copy, then it would fork those docs, which sucked.
00:32:17
johngrimsmo
Oh, yeah.
00:32:18
John Saunders
Um, also what we do with our, one of our computers here, because we never, nobody's ever on it, but we want to make sure it doesn't happen as Alex wrote a batch script. And I think every week or two, it just auto restarts at 2 AM on Sunday.
00:32:30
johngrimsmo
Nice. Nice.
00:32:34
John Saunders
OK.
00:32:37
johngrimsmo
um Yesterday I was playing on the Kern. So you know the Fjell, I don't have one on me, but it's got, it's an integral, right?
Knife Production Improvements on Kern
00:32:44
johngrimsmo
So it's the spine is smooth and flat and really nice.
00:32:44
John Saunders
who
00:32:48
johngrimsmo
What we've been doing so far is we mount it sideways like a clam to the side of a fixture and then we pinch it down and then we have just ah it's in the speedio. It's a three axis or two axis end mill that just does a 2D contour and like cuts the side off and and profiles the spine in one single pass, some roughing passes, and then leaves us finished.
00:33:12
johngrimsmo
The problem with that is as the end mills microchip and start to wear down, they put streaks in the part. And this is a very visual feature for us. We want it to be like as crisp and smooth as possible. So the guys are spending many minutes on the Scotch-Bride wheel buffing that surface down.
00:33:26
johngrimsmo
So, you know, I'm putting a lot of effort into machining it, and then it's like even more minutes to like buff it down and get it right, which slightly rounds it and The way I engrave it on the Kern when I first make the handle is I tilt it almost upside down and then I engrave the Maple Leaf logo. um And then when I put it on the Speedio to cut off the tabs of the spine, the end mill, big three-eighths, six fluid, seven fluid end mill,
00:33:50
johngrimsmo
As it goes over that engraving, it chatters, it bounces over the engraving and it leaves literal visible chatter just over the engraving, which is annoying.
00:33:54
John Saunders
Really?
00:33:59
johngrimsmo
And then the rest of the spine looks great. So the guys are like trying to buff out the chatter from the engraving. We're moving all that production onto the Kern so that we can just schedule things a bit better um of cutting the spines.
00:34:12
johngrimsmo
And now that it's on a five axis, I could do that engraving after, because I can now tip it onto its side, I can do the engraving after.
00:34:16
John Saunders
Oh, mm-hmm.
00:34:19
johngrimsmo
But I really wanted to try three d profiling that surface.
00:34:24
John Saunders
Okay.
00:34:25
johngrimsmo
just like how we do our smooth handles on the Rask and the Fjell. So basically 5,000 step down, um bottom to top, you know we've got a really good recipe for that.
00:34:33
John Saunders
Mm-hmm.
00:34:36
johngrimsmo
So I wanted to try that. And I said did a bunch of testing yesterday. I tried the blend toolpath. I eventually landed on the flow toolpath.
00:34:41
John Saunders
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:34:44
johngrimsmo
The trick that i always forget, but I love that I learned is to turn on points in the toolpath dialogue.
00:34:51
John Saunders
huh
00:34:51
johngrimsmo
So you can turn on and off links, leads, toolpath, and then points, and you can see the point spacing of everything. And if you're really trying to go for a surface finish and see the, you know, the calculated toolpath points and where they all line up, and once that all starts to matter, it's really cool to be able to turn them on and set the point spacing like perfect, because it does look better when everything is aligned evenly.
00:35:13
John Saunders
Even so much the point density is is it could be dense or not dense. It's more about even this.
00:35:19
johngrimsmo
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:19
John Saunders
Okay.
00:35:20
johngrimsmo
Because some of the tool paths will just put points like all over the place.
00:35:23
John Saunders
Sweet.
00:35:23
johngrimsmo
And you think of it as a transition, like arc into a straight, that conversion from arc to straight can leave an artifact, can leave something. So flow toolpath gave me perfectly even point distribution. It's beautiful. And then the surface comes out really good. And then I just got a text now from...
00:35:42
johngrimsmo
Gabe on the buffing wheel and he said oh yeah the new surface like takes way less time than the old surface it doesn't chatter over the engraving it's pretty good so like rock and roll there but adding three minutes of cycle time to a kern taking away three minutes of buffing time on a scotch break wheel kerns more expensive but like ah it's the better better solution
00:35:52
John Saunders
sweet
00:35:58
John Saunders
Oh yeah.
00:36:02
John Saunders
It's win. It's been so long since we talked about it. Is the current running hundred plus hours a week?
00:36:08
johngrimsmo
It's not, it's actually got quite a bit of capacity. And after sitting in Nick's um home assistant class, I'm like, I'm like, I kind of want to put a power meter on the current, just like see how much it's running, when it's running, how much it costs and kind of have that visibility of like, we're what we're actually running, like how many hours a week.
00:36:15
John Saunders
Mm-hmm.
00:36:24
John Saunders
Mm-hmm.
00:36:28
johngrimsmo
But we're probably not running anywhere near a hundred hours a week anymore.
00:36:31
John Saunders
Okay.
00:36:31
johngrimsmo
And we just don't need to, you know, we need, yeah.
00:36:34
John Saunders
Well, good. Yeah.
00:36:35
johngrimsmo
Yeah. So we're trying really hard not to overproduce and we're trying just because there's time and it's easy, but then we have 100 pairs of handles that we don't need yet.
00:36:45
johngrimsmo
And they're all dated, so they're getting older.
00:36:45
John Saunders
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:36:48
johngrimsmo
So we're playing that game right now.
Handling Machine Downtime and Lead Times
00:36:50
John Saunders
When you were talking a minute ago about Blade Show, it's different but had some similar vibes to how the team handled what we are currently going through, hopefully on the tail end of it. But we were we were down for, i don't know, two, three weeks of having both our PF6s decommissioned.
00:37:10
johngrimsmo
Good.
00:37:10
John Saunders
We were getting a new Genos online, a new Doosan online, which was going to take away time from the team plus just general disruption, blah, blah, blah. And so quite a while ago now, i don't know, two months ago, we turned off all custom orders.
00:37:23
John Saunders
We extended out lead times. um We went, for lack of a better term, we kind of went nuclear with like just making it extremely focused on making sure the team could get done what they needed to in terms of current orders and
00:37:35
johngrimsmo
good
00:37:37
John Saunders
lead times. And then also just, you know, we have to, make we have to make fixture plates for the new machine and fixtures for it. Like that takes time. And then, and and I'm not saying that like we, I'm not sure I'm going to give ourselves a grade yet per se, but I do like what we did, which was go nuclear and then easily comfortable decision amongst the team to add back features when you want to add back customer or shorten down the lead time on non-stock or non-inventory stuff.
00:37:58
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:38:02
johngrimsmo
Yes. I love, I've been using that term to go nuclear because sometimes you get so comfortable doing it the way you've always done it.
00:38:04
John Saunders
Um,
00:38:10
johngrimsmo
And then you forget to like use your brain and think that there could be better ways, different ways to do this. And it's that whole, you know, delete features until you have to delete until you have to put something back, um which is what you guys did.
00:38:21
John Saunders
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:23
johngrimsmo
So if you don't mind let me asking, how did that affect your like cashflow over that past few months? Yeah. Did you get less sales overall?
00:38:31
John Saunders
Didn't.
00:38:33
johngrimsmo
Because you're you're holding back, like you're not producing on those machines. You know they're going to have a lull time. It sounds like you didn't bulk up beforehand.
00:38:41
John Saunders
Well, we, that kind of back, I'm glad you asked that, that kind of backfired because we do sell, Torvok is the only distributor that sorry, Torvok is the only stocking distributor.
00:38:51
John Saunders
And as a courtesy to them, we sent them a heads up and say, hey, I think it was like March 15th or something.
00:38:51
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:38:56
John Saunders
We're going to be down for about a month of just weird disruptions. So if you want to send in an order now, do it. And they sent in a far larger order than we expected.
00:39:06
johngrimsmo
Nice.
00:39:06
John Saunders
um And between that and just we've had a knock on wood, a gratefully strong start to the year. It was weird. I don't see the custom plate visibility anymore. so Alex.
00:39:18
John Saunders
handles all that, but it was just a simple, like, we're just not doing it. Like we we love it, we will, but for now we're just turning it off. We actually have some, I'll share more later. We have some ideas on how we're going to improve that too, which I'm excited for.
00:39:30
John Saunders
don't know that answered your question. Like there's some products, like VF2 plates, we can never keep them in stock. And I'm sure if they're out of stock, we're just losing sales because we just, it's like a joke almost most at this point in our in our shop.
00:39:44
John Saunders
Like we just can't.
00:39:45
johngrimsmo
And that's something you want to solve?
00:39:47
John Saunders
We are, I mean, second genos online, huge.
00:39:48
johngrimsmo
Yeah, exactly.
00:39:49
John Saunders
It's, it's, it's I think i don't want to be full of baloney. I think it's going to be more than a 50% increase in our productivity, even though it's only a second machine, just because of the way you can set up one for one size, one for the other, can have, it's just, it's just gonna be a huge game.
00:40:04
johngrimsmo
Yeah. And it's hard to visualize that when you're sitting with one machine and you're like, well, you know, a second one is more than twice as productive. Like in reality, I think so.
00:40:13
John Saunders
That makes sense.
00:40:15
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:40:15
John Saunders
Yeah. I we'll see.
00:40:16
johngrimsmo
yeah Yeah. I mean, we have three mils, but they're used for different things and there's zero um redundancy across them. Like we can't just move parts from one to the next because we've set them up like specially for whatever.
00:40:26
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:40:29
johngrimsmo
um So I have put a lot of thought, but no action into like, if we did get a second machine whenever we're ready, like which machine would we duplicate? Which, you know, correct
00:40:40
John Saunders
Which would machine would we duplicate it and why is it the Kern?
00:40:42
johngrimsmo
yeah. And then how do you make sure it's a more than two times return, you know, in in output?
00:40:47
John Saunders
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:49
johngrimsmo
And do you have that much work? Do you need it? Like all these questions.
00:40:52
John Saunders
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:54
johngrimsmo
So the disruption of selling decommissioning and getting and commissioning these new machines it didn't hurt you guys. Like you were ready for it.
00:41:03
John Saunders
We were.
00:41:03
johngrimsmo
That's good, man.
00:41:04
John Saunders
Yeah, knock on wood.
00:41:06
johngrimsmo
Thanks.
00:41:06
John Saunders
Didn't go as, not everything was good.
00:41:07
johngrimsmo
Thanks to your your document of this is how you buy machine.
00:41:11
John Saunders
Dude, I'm like, and i think, can't believe we're doing this, but like, I now think I'm going to And I'm pretty sure like I've heard our, one of our friends when he worked at a big company, basically sent the company a term like, you need to sign this agreement about the purchase of it. But like, um, I'm going to be kind of a, more of a, act like a big company. Like you need to sign off on all this stuff.
00:41:35
John Saunders
Um, we had it's a minor thing that's, but was just frustrating. It's like, nope, that's not how this is going to work. Um, Anyway, it's funny because you like learn all this stuff. It just says you're like, I guess I always feel like I'm done buying machines, but we certainly are our pencils down for a little while.
00:41:49
johngrimsmo
OK, Dennis.
00:41:50
John Saunders
Yeah, touche. No, that guy's like just nuts. um Okay, here's my, maybe my last name today, that I haven't even talked to the team about.
Toolbox Reorganization Plan
00:42:00
John Saunders
And I need to get through the next month of bringing these machines online. Then, and I might have Courtney, our summer intern, or intern take on the lead.
00:42:08
John Saunders
But I'm going to plan is to have her take a roll of painter's tape. and put a piece of painter's tape one inch wide on every single toolbox drawer in our shop. And then it's jump ball.
00:42:20
John Saunders
Anybody can do any toolbox drawer. I need to think more about how structured we want to make it, but basically to take, in order to remove the tape, that toolbox drawer has to get emptied, cleaned, sorted, purged, consolidated.
00:42:32
John Saunders
Like we like, and that's the only way to do it. The only way to do is to remove every object from the toolbox and then, um,
00:42:38
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:42:41
johngrimsmo
Go nuclear.
00:42:41
John Saunders
yeah I need i thing to think more. Yeah, there you go Yep.
00:42:43
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:42:44
John Saunders
Yep. Yep.
00:42:45
johngrimsmo
Yep.
00:42:47
John Saunders
What do you think?
00:42:48
johngrimsmo
I like it. um In a way that kind of happened at home, like in my ah dining room slash my office, um i have I have sprawled and exploded with too much work stuff that's been coming home and we no longer have a dining room, which bugs my wife and fairly, right rightly so.
00:42:57
John Saunders
Mm-hmm.
00:43:03
johngrimsmo
I have too many projects on the dining room table. But so she kind of sorted and reorganized a bunch of my stuff and I went looking yesterday for like magnets or something very specific.
00:43:13
johngrimsmo
that' like, I know they should be here, but I have no idea where where they are now.
00:43:19
John Saunders
They're next to the dinner plates. in the in the
00:43:20
johngrimsmo
Yeah, exactly. right
00:43:23
John Saunders
I wish I had a wittier phrase to say as my wife probably will be listening to this podcast and our house is currently in shambles because I'm redoing the home office.
00:43:28
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:43:29
John Saunders
and Amen. um yeah
00:43:33
johngrimsmo
They're saints. Yeah, so I don't have an answer, but I did eventually find whatever it is I was looking for.
00:43:36
John Saunders
Did you find them?
00:43:40
johngrimsmo
I can't remember, but... um But yeah, it made me realize, okay, I need to go in here and organize and and store stuff in the basement that doesn't need to be upstairs and like respect, you know, her house too, kind of thing. But make sure I know where everything is because I'm a very visual guy. i like to have it all out so that I don't forget about it. And I know how to find it, but that's not clean.
00:44:02
johngrimsmo
It's not organized.
00:44:03
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:44:03
johngrimsmo
um So we're we're learning, but...
00:44:07
John Saunders
Yeah.
00:44:08
johngrimsmo
sure
00:44:09
John Saunders
What else can we
00:44:10
johngrimsmo
um We had a visitor from Austria who was very interesting.
00:44:13
John Saunders
do? Oh, yeah.
00:44:16
johngrimsmo
And he's 31 years old and he comes to us and takes a shop tour and goes, I've been watching your videos since I was 14. It was like, what?
00:44:24
John Saunders
Crazy. Crazy.
00:44:26
johngrimsmo
what? That's like 16 plus years.
00:44:26
John Saunders
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:27
johngrimsmo
And he goes, oh yeah, since the beginning. And I've got, I've got all the products. And he picked up a fiel when he was here and he met Eric and Steve at the Toronto knife show. Cause he's here for work and super interesting.
00:44:40
johngrimsmo
so we're like, what do you do? And he goes, I'm an automations engineer at concrete plants. So he programs the PLCs at concrete prefab making things.
00:44:52
johngrimsmo
So he showed us all these videos on his phone about like how, how big concrete panels are made and how they're vibrated and how, when they pour the concrete, it's a lot gloopier than you think it should be.
00:44:52
John Saunders
Interesting.
00:45:01
johngrimsmo
And he goes, Oh yeah, the moisture content is like critical. And it's just really cool. And there was some things about it that I had no idea um escaping me right now, but it's just like, cool.
00:45:12
John Saunders
That's cool.
00:45:12
johngrimsmo
This guy's a, you know, a nerd in what he does.
00:45:13
John Saunders
That's fun.
00:45:15
johngrimsmo
Yeah. Although he's he said he's spent more nights in a hotel room this past year than at home.
00:45:16
John Saunders
That's awesome.
00:45:20
johngrimsmo
And i was like, oh, that's rough, buddy. like
00:45:22
John Saunders
Yeah, yeah, that's rough.
00:45:25
johngrimsmo
But anyway.
00:45:25
John Saunders
That's awesome.
00:45:26
johngrimsmo
But yeah.
00:45:27
John Saunders
It's cool to think that there's somebody in Austria right now walking around with your, your, your pets, John.
00:45:31
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:45:31
John Saunders
That's really cool.
00:45:31
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:45:33
John Saunders
Yeah. Good.
00:45:35
johngrimsmo
Yeah.
00:45:37
John Saunders
See week.
00:45:38
johngrimsmo
See you next week, man.
00:45:39
John Saunders
All right. Take care.
00:45:39
johngrimsmo
All right. Have a good week.