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S3 Ep269: Menthol and Homeopathic Beer at the Chinese Buffet
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Join Dave and Jake as they talk what they ordered from buffets as kids, the effects of menthol, a whole lot about alt (fake) medicine, the Barbie Movie and more in this week's episode!
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Menthol and Its Quirky Comparisons
00:00:43
Speaker
How's it going, everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake, and I'm joined by my co-host, as always, Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave? Menthol. Yeah, it's a good flavor. It's going menthol.
00:00:57
Speaker
Anything with men in it. It's obviously green. If men tasted like menthol, maybe I'd have. I don't like how men taste currently is what I'm saying. That was a bold start. Not a fan. Not a fan.
00:01:13
Speaker
Menthol is pretty great though. I don't know to what extent what extent it actually helps medically But like if you've got a cold or something like that and you can feel like a frost giant for a couple minutes It's not bad. Oh, dude having like the like the blue menthol not like anything with honey in it just Pure menthol drops and then you have a sip of like water and you're like, oh is this ice water? It could have been room temperature water doesn't fucking matter cold as shit imaginable It's really good
00:01:43
Speaker
It just never lasts that long. And it is also just like a chemical effect. Like I don't, I don't understand. I'm not a scientist. I just know about computers a little bit. Um, but the idea of like, we put this chemical in your mouth and you're like, is it cold? They're like, no. And you're like, it tastes cold. And I'm like, yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. Um,
00:02:09
Speaker
But just have some early synesthesia. But I guess it's the same thing with capsaicin. Did I say that right, capsaicin? You know, the spicy? Yeah. But that's just on the other balance to it. If they ever had capsaicin, cough drops, I would probably not want that. No, that'd be awful.
00:02:34
Speaker
maybe it's like an icy hot cough drop where it starts out spicy and then it ends cool oh that would be that would be like a terrible prank well obvious so already if you're within the bounds of creating prank products that relate to like health and medicine maybe you've taken a wrong step but i'm imagining like a call but it gets you more sick haha
00:02:59
Speaker
Yeah, or even just it's day quill, but it's actually night quill because I'll just like put you on your butt, but I'm just imagining a cough drop that starts like cold and then gets hot. Like you could gaslight people with this effect because they would just think it's something related to their illness, which again, ethics. Maybe we don't, but yeah, capsaicin just induces like this.
Evolutionary Wonders of Plants
00:03:24
Speaker
Panic response in your body where it's like I've been poisoned Yes, I'm gonna overheat and try and sweat all this shit out cuz I don't want it
00:03:36
Speaker
It's such an interesting, like I'm not as interested in evolution as Charlie Darley, but like capsaicin on its own is pretty crazy. You guys definitely heard that cap, by the way, as you jumped up here, but yeah, you don't have to clean your nose in front of the microphone.
00:03:55
Speaker
But there's some plant at some point was like, hey, we're going to experiment with this this chemical stuff, basically the the breaking bad of the plant universe. And they made something that was like. This isn't fire, but it does taste like fire. That's a massive success like that. That's huge. Good on them. They stopped cooking their food. They just started adding chili peppers to everything raw.
00:04:25
Speaker
Mm hmm. And then some peppers went crazy with it. Like you got those high end peppers, like ghost peppers, I think are pretty spicy, but they continue to get significantly spicier than that. I just want to know what specifically it is for a pepper to be like, oh, they're trying all this shit. Like I'm not reproducing enough. They keep harvesting me. I'll show them. Uh huh.
00:04:53
Speaker
It's kind of crazy that that happens at all. That plants essentially have like a defensive response to.
00:05:02
Speaker
become more of like a bittering agent to be like don't fucking eat me please uh-huh i mean that's the thing that i get i could understand so people who believe in intelligent design see that and they're like i mean this doesn't make any sense how why would you randomly have a chemical property that makes it show it's such a pain to eat but then the you know uh evolutionist response natural design is like or not natural design natural evolution would be like
00:05:29
Speaker
Well, it's not so much that it tried. It's just it tried everything. And this made sense. So it stuck around. You only see the winners. Right. That's evolution. The tagline and the evolution summer blockbuster. You only see the winners. But yeah, some of those winners are really interesting.
00:05:50
Speaker
It is interesting too, because typically for like a lot of plants that have like fruit, the seeds get transmitted obviously just from falling, but can be transported by animals who eat it, move, and then poop somewhere else. So that can really help propagate.
00:06:08
Speaker
Versus you just having a very dense, uh, square mile of just angry ass peppers. Don't touch me! Draw some plays. Yeah. It's like, um, it's plants that like, they want to grow up, but they don't want the kids to be that close, right? Like you want them, you want them to leave the nest, so to speak. You want them a little, little bit of distance. They can write home, but if it's the Canary Islands, that's fine.
00:06:39
Speaker
But yeah, that's fair.
Spice Tolerance and Lifestyle Changes
00:06:40
Speaker
Have you had any hot peppers recently? I know the last spicy thing I added to something. Um, if you need time to think about it, but if not, I don't even think about it. It's been so long since I've had anything spicy. Okay. Like I had some Thai recently, which did have some kick to it, but it wasn't spicy, spicy. Right. Like it didn't put me in like a pain or panic response. Hmm.
00:07:06
Speaker
I mean, I didn't have anything like that either. But the last thing I injected spice to is I made notches and I had some
00:07:13
Speaker
Um, hot sauce crap. I just lost the name of it. It's in my head. No, it's got the, um, Frank. It is. I think the brand is Frank's, but it's, um, crap. I'm going to have to look this up now. I literally posted, I made this a topic. It's not, it's like, uh, out of the border, something, something hot, um, uh, names of hot sauces. It's almost like Carolina or something like that, but it's not a Reaper.
00:07:44
Speaker
Carolina barbecue It's I while there's a lot of sauce Neither none of these. What is a Carolina gold? I'm running out of Carolina shake. They used all three of them. I don't know if it's Carolina Yeah, none of these hot sauces exist so anyways off the check later I'll just append it. I'll put it in the description I guess
00:08:11
Speaker
Tell you what listeners, if you can guess what Jake's hot sauce is, you will win the hot sauce. It'll be the remnants of whatever is still in that bottle. He will mail it to you. That's not bad actually. That's a pretty good deal. Although I am concerned because I have seen our analytics and there are a lot of hot sauces.
00:08:34
Speaker
Or there's a lot of listeners sometimes in other countries and I think the one thing that they don't really want you to ship is Previously opened hot sauce Yeah, usually open containers of food is never never a great idea. Yeah. Oh My gosh, it's something hot I'm never as this is gonna be the entire episode is me not being able to think about anything else because it's right there But it doesn't matter
00:09:02
Speaker
We'll get there. It's a hot sauce. Yes. Dave will have a monologue and I'll just like run upstairs and no one will notice. But it is a hot sauce. I put it on nachos. That's the story. It's pretty good. I didn't miss it though. Some people are trying to do some wings this upcoming weekend. Nashville hot. That's what it was. Nothing to do with Carolina.
00:09:26
Speaker
No, actually it wasn't Because Nashville, Tennessee Yes, and nothing nothing nothing at all. Anyways, you had friends up over the weekend Well, no some people were trying to grab some wings this weekend and a local place And I'm debating go I probably will just to be social and be out and see some people but like I really don't and just a lot of spicy things anymore and
00:09:53
Speaker
I don't usually have a whole lot of fried or unhealthy stuff too, too much. Yeah. Cause I have what people call a bitch of a tum tum and medical term. Like I might have a beer, but like most of trying to cut out or slow down on alcohol. So.
00:10:11
Speaker
Basically, I'm saying I'm not fun anymore, so I don't know if I should go. No, I was leading to a joke of just like, so what do you eat anymore? It's just, there's not hot foods, there's no alcohol. Celery and a couple deep breaths. Yeah, that's not bad. And hums. Ants on a log.
00:10:32
Speaker
Well, I can't do ants on a log. Sans peanut butter. It's just the ant. It's, uh, it's ants on a piece of celery. You just gotta wedge them in there so they stay. Yeah.
Culinary Nostalgia and Preferences
00:10:46
Speaker
Speaking of food, do you remember the whole bacon craze where bacon was on everything or in everything?
00:10:54
Speaker
yeah i think there's casualties out there oh yeah i mean i'm sure there's there's still bacon stuff like bacon wrapped scallops um etc are you on the bacon train or are you like i'm kind of good i think i'm i think i'm basically good but but part of the reason was because i've i think in my in my mind i already know the forms of bacon that i really like and experimental bacon isn't necessarily what i want
00:11:23
Speaker
And the reason for this is there's basically two types of bacon I can identify that I really like or uses for bacon. There's straight up fried bacon from a pan, not blackened, but well done. And I love that. It's just sodium. That's all it is. And it tastes really good, dangerously so. But you very rarely get bacon that's that crisp with something else.
00:11:53
Speaker
Um, that's really a lot of bacon wrap stuff like you can't Yeah Overcook it like you can't have hard scallops scallops will need to be soft Yes, and that's that's the problem is like it seems like a lot of places cannot cook bacon in such a way that it's
00:12:09
Speaker
It's fully cooked. I mean obviously they fully cook it, but like I don't like soft bacon Right if I'm biting into it. I'm like that was the fat. I'm like I'm not and I'm not a big fan of that if it's crispy fat. I'm there for it Yes, exactly if it's crispy, but the problem is like any bake. I guess what I'm trying to say That's a good. That's a good way to phrase it any bacon sub crispy. I'm kind of out for I Don't like I don't like soft bacon
00:12:36
Speaker
So because of that, the other thing, the place where I'd use that, not use it, that makes it seem like I'm cooking, but like Junior Bacon Cheeseburgers at Wendy's. They've existed forever. You just like grab two of them or whatever. Or if you're feeling like me, grab three.
00:12:55
Speaker
And it's just freaking delicious. It's just like bacon, tomato, little bit of mayo, lettuce, patty, burger, bun, done. And I don't know, it's not experimental. That's the problem. As usual, they're ruining everything with change.
00:13:12
Speaker
I think it's easier when it's in something as strips versus being wrapped around or stuff into something weird. Yeah. How do you get consistency if you're wrapping something in bacon? Unless you're just like flash frying, whatever it is. Yeah, you have to pretty much flash fry everything.
00:13:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I think a lot of things are good without bacon and bacon's just nice on its own. Yeah. Like I like to have theoretically bacon and eggs, mainly just so the eggs can sap up some of the grease and maybe some toast with it, et cetera. But like, I don't, I don't want to put the bacon necessarily in the eggs. Yeah.
00:13:55
Speaker
No, I mean they're excellent sides. The other thing is like eggs taste good, but bacon tastes great. So you can like kind of start with the bacon to like trick your taste buds and stomach into thinking that like the rest of the meal is going to be resplendent. And then you like finish the rest of the food, which tastes good, obviously. But then you finish it off with the other slice of bacon.
00:14:17
Speaker
to like appease the stomach that is now kind of disappointed that it wasn't all bacon. This all goes back to evolution. We're gaming the system. Jake's basically saying like, oh, I have a slice of bacon, have a big salad and then another slice of bacon. My brain is none the wiser. You book it with bacon. You have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's where the mistake was made. People were wrapping things in bacon where they need to be layering things in bacon. And then you eat the layers, obviously.
00:14:47
Speaker
Back when... Back when Epic Meal Time was a big thing. Oh my gosh. I remember... I think I ate more bacon than I normally would have because I was like a growing teen. I'm like, I do like bacon.
00:15:02
Speaker
These people like bacon. They seem cool. I should do more bacon with stuff and we actually tried making some type of our own epic mealtime thing where it just Will put a whole bunch of stuff in a baking dish and then go for it one of the things we did is we like we made a bacon weave on top and We didn't pre-cook the bacon. So when it came out it was let's just say not crispy. Yeah, it was suspicious
00:15:31
Speaker
Uh-huh. Yeah, eating raw pig strips is not recommended. There's religions that are against that and religions that are entirely against that, but then minor religions that are just like soft bacon is incorrect. Like that's where I'm at. How do you feel about bacon bits and turkey bacon?
00:15:55
Speaker
I think turkey bacon's okay. It's not as resplendent for me, but I mean bacon's pretty up there in general, so as long as you're doing a good job with it. Bacon bits are kind of a lie. I feel like someone else has made this take. I feel like I recall a comedy artist at some point talking about bacon bits, I think.
00:16:19
Speaker
They're really good, but it's just really tricky with salads, right? Like one of the things that makes salads taste the best that they could is salad dressing. And the reason for that is because of how much it coats the lettuce, right? They convinced it's like, okay, I got a lot with that one. That one tasted great and that was the least healthy bite of the salad I'm gonna have.
00:16:44
Speaker
I mean, I'd put them on if I had them. They don't get on the fork so well. I remember them more so from just a lot of salad bars back when that was a thing. Oh, yeah. Mm hmm. You got your Red Lobster, your Ruby Tuesday. I'm going to go grab a salad bar.
00:16:57
Speaker
And as a kid, you're like, bacon bits, croutons. And then you just come back with that in cheese. And then your parents are like, where are your vegetables? You're like, ah. There's a leaf. Yeah. Yeah. Make your own salads as a kid. We're pretty dangerous. You're just like a little bit of everything, which turned into a lot of everything. You get like the, all the stuff you liked, grated cheese and stuff like that. Yeah.
00:17:24
Speaker
it's the same thing when you take a cup to the fountain like you wouldn't throw in ah fresh water you're like soda soda soda soda soda uh-huh in that example was it was it all sodas or was it just going a little bit icy a little bit icy yeah it was all pretty much everything mixed in that wasn't water uh-huh i definitely did that as a kid i don't even recall how it tasted
00:17:52
Speaker
But I can't imagine it was good. I think I probably just accepted it as a sugar. Yeah. It's mainly like once you start to mix the orange soda and the cola, it kind of dominates every other flavor. Yeah. So you just kind of have like an orangey cola and you're like, ah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Doesn't have staying power or something. Oh, I'd look for this at a restaurant. Yeah. What was your go to for the phase when you were a kid?
00:18:18
Speaker
You mean like what I get at a buffet? Yeah, maybe like actual food and then your preference for dessert.
00:18:28
Speaker
Can I just go into Chinese buffet, some black and other buffets? Yeah. That's a good time to kind of buffet. Typically for me, I always remember getting like the, the little Chinese donuts. Oh my gosh. And the jello, maybe a piece of fruit. Um, but I'd always go for that. I'd like to get a separate bowl of egg drop soup, add a little bit of soy sauce into that.
00:18:54
Speaker
And then beyond that, I'm like, which quote unquote, um, something or other chicken looks the best, right? Or usually some variation, like genera, general sows or sesame chicken. Yep. There's always like, Hey, we have seafood. I'm like, Nope. Don't fucking trust that. No, that's, that's a shrimp. I feel like you can get away. You can do a lot of things to shrimp and it'll still be good. Mm-hmm.
00:19:21
Speaker
That's how they get you out of the buffet. Is occasionally, eventually your axe is only going to put some seafood on your plate and dead. I feel weird. I should go home. We got him out. It turns to dust. Yeah. What about you? I know you've also been to, I'm forgetting the name of it. I don't want to dox us, but a, a giant central Pennsylvania buffet at a point. Oh, that's true. That's true.
00:19:48
Speaker
I was thinking of the Chinese place we used to go, but there is the shopping center. I mean, you can say it, I think. So Wegmans is all over the place. Is that the one you're thinking of? Oh, shit. I wasn't thinking of Wegmans. Yeah. We did so many lunches at Wegmans. Yeah. If we said it was something like Golden Wall or whatever Chinese place, that's not even doxing. All Chinese places are called Golden Wall. So it's like a great wall.
00:20:17
Speaker
Can't remember that but I Will answer as a kid and I will say I'm gonna start bad and work my way into more respectable foods As a kid I got pizza I'd go to On the west coast they had like this chain of buffets there that I can't remember the name of but I just like grab pizza and
00:20:42
Speaker
Um, and there were all kinds of nice, good, uh, like comfort food and more diverse things. And I'm just like, but I could get pizza. So there you go. Jake went on to invent CC's.
00:20:59
Speaker
Uh-huh, yeah. But I do remember as a kid, even as a kid, it picks up for desserts. Now this is where I start to earn a little bit of rep back. Like a peach cobbler, maybe a little vanilla ice cream.
00:21:15
Speaker
Oh, a load. So good. And as a kid, less so as an adult, but as a kid, usually I try to throw a cookie on there or something and just be like, it's going to be delicious. It's going to be good. And it was good, but it's a lot as an adult.
00:21:33
Speaker
now i'm all about the chinese donuts that's as soon as you mentioned that i was just like yeah i'm pretty sure i got a chinese donut in every trip and then i would just get like some some teriyaki chicken or something like that on a stick it's dough and sugar it's perfect it's so good i freaking love dough it's just dough right got a carb load um
00:21:53
Speaker
and then edamame is also being added on as a modern uh chinese uh buffet type thing something i'll pick up i just i love eating edamame i just haven't seen that at the phase that i've been to i mean maybe at like wegmans they might the one we used to go to had edamame they put it near the sushi which is part of the trap right so it's like oh yeah i just i don't know i'm so suspicious of sushi unless it's at a sushi place yeah
Dining Disasters and Cultural Reflections
00:22:22
Speaker
It's one of those things like you don't have seafood and like Nebraska, you know? Yeah. It's just, it's too far inland. I don't trust it. I don't know. That's because they're too, they're too well known for their hot sauce, Nebraska and hot. So yeah, I don't know that much about Nebraska to be completely honest. If I could divulge that. I know the name of the state. It's pretty good.
00:22:51
Speaker
That's it. No, Tallahassee's Arkansas, right? Yeah.
00:22:59
Speaker
Man, I don't want to like, I don't want to engage in this conversation because I'm going to out myself as a dumb real quick. Well, the reason, the reason I started that train of thought was there was a point in my life as a child where I knew the capitals of every state and we have to memorize it typically. Yeah. Nebraska has one. They don't want you to know that, but they do. Um, and I can't remember what it is. I remember Hartford connect to cut. That's good.
00:23:29
Speaker
It's a good name for place. Solid. Sounds like Kojima named it. I mean, it doesn't seem so far off. Die Hartman from Hartford, Connecticut. But yeah, no, it's good stuff for sure. It's been a long time since I went to a buffet, though. I don't know of a local one, really.
00:23:55
Speaker
I mean, I think in general, with the pandemic, they really slowed down. I'm sure that some still exist. Where I used to live, there was an Indian buffet, actually a couple, but at least the ones right by me sucked. They just weren't good. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a pretty, uh, there's no recovery from that, right? Like.
00:24:20
Speaker
I think especially as you're a little bit older and it's not like, I will fill my tummy with as much as literally possible. You're like, you kind of just want a portion of food, maybe just like slightly more than you'd usually eat. That's not enough to overcome. The quantity of food isn't going to overcome quality. Yeah. Much more for quality. Also speaking of, I fucking hate buca de bevo. Okay. That definitely sounds like something.
00:24:49
Speaker
It's an Italian place, but their whole shtick is, it's like family-style eating. So when you go and order, you're ordering for the table. You're not ordering for an individual person. Okay. Oh, so you just get like, you get entrees for the table, basically.
00:25:06
Speaker
Yes. Gotcha. And I went once with like a work event, a couple of many jobs back and like the quality of food wasn't great for where we went. And then people got some things that they wanted and I wasn't super vocal. So I had some OK things and then like we split the bill evenly. And I'm like, this does not match my experience personally. Uh huh.
00:25:32
Speaker
Yeah, that seems kind of miserable. Actually, I want to make one little joke, because as soon as you said that, it's like a buca de beppo or something like that, or buca de beppo.
00:25:42
Speaker
No, both are correct. You said at the same time, same wage time. My brain was immediately like, Dave is quoting one of like the creatures that speaks backwards in Spy Kids or something like that. Like that's where my brain went. I was like, this doesn't mean anything. He's quoting Hollow Knight sound effects. It's just if Mario was in Hollow Knight.
00:26:09
Speaker
Um, but no, it's a funny sounding name for an establishment with just a mediocre experience in my opinion. Yeah.
00:26:18
Speaker
I think there's probably only happened once or twice in my life that we split a bill evenly just for whatever one ordered at the table. But I think there was only one occasion where it was even notable. Most of any other time, didn't even matter. But we went someplace and some people were drinking. I wasn't because I don't drink. I think I just had an entree and maybe a Coke or something like that. Or chocolate milk. I don't know. I'm a weirdo.
00:26:46
Speaker
Jake, I know you. Do you remember two cranberry juices? Two cranberries, okay, I undersold it. But yeah, cranberry juice is usually not as expensive as a tailored domesticated beverage. And then we split it evenly at the end, and I was like, this is my good deed. I wasn't bitter about it. I did remember it, and I don't remember that much, so maybe I'm a little bitter, but I think it was fine. I don't do that anymore, though.
00:27:17
Speaker
Yeah, it I think it only really needs to happen once for you to be like let's never do this again. Uh-huh, right It's fine when like everyone orders the exact same thing of like, oh we're all getting the special we're all getting wings Yeah, and then if it's like a difference of like
00:27:35
Speaker
a couple drinks amongst a bunch of people. Sure. Maybe you have an extra 50 cents or a dollar on your bill. It's not going to kill you. That's fine. It's just usually done for ease of like, Hey, we didn't plan ahead. We have seven people or 10 people and we just got to go after this. Yeah.
00:27:52
Speaker
Yeah, I think we might have talked about it at one point, but there have been times where I'm a little jealous of the vibe or the cultural custom in Ireland. I say this as someone who doesn't even drink, but it's just like, hey, you're just the next person to order the round, right? So you order a round for the table, and then the next person will order a round for the table, then the next person.
00:28:18
Speaker
It's kind of like you're not really keeping track Individually of like who has paid the most rounds because you're going around in a circle you show up late You kind of just gotta like make up for it, right? Like you're joining you're joining late and You know, you don't want to be the person to show up and other people paid for your drink and you didn't pay for anything So it's kind of this communal contribution of goodwill
00:28:44
Speaker
Where it's like we all kind of probably owe each other across the years, but we're not keeping track of it We just know each other and that's cool camaraderie. I really like that concept I like the concept imagining going with like 10 people and now you have to have 10 drinks Like it has to go all the way around and for me. I'm like after three I'm I'm spouting a lot of shit and have to piss like crazy and
00:29:12
Speaker
Yeah, I also assume that this is probably not meant for like IPAs or very specialized beverages. It was probably more like, do you want the brown beer? There are definitely some places in Europe where it's like, hey, we have beer. And you're like, oh, what type of beer do you have? And they say beer. And you're like, I got you.
00:29:38
Speaker
Because there are places in Germany like where they have a very strict like this constitutes beer Everything else beyond this is like a fancy schmancy beverage. It doesn't count as beer So like they won't add things to make it sweet or have it be a more rich of an alcohol content They're like hops barley yeast something else. That's fucking it
00:30:01
Speaker
Yeah, but to be fair, I think a lot of those beers, I don't really enjoy because they don't taste good. But when we were in Prague for a couple of days as related to a work trip, I just had a dark beer of their two options, light beer, dark beer, and it was just like a brown ale. But for how nondescript it was, it was actually really good.
00:30:28
Speaker
Nice. So like a lot of places in Europe, they're generic beer, or if you might call it will actually just be a lot better than what we have as far as simpler beers. Right.
00:30:42
Speaker
I also think all of our light beer is trash, and I hate it. I can't speak to it, unfortunately. I can't really jump into that conversation. The most I learned about beer was, obviously, whenever we went to dinners or something like that, and people would enlighten me. I did ask. I'm curious. It is a really cool industry, but also there's a particular
00:31:05
Speaker
like a post not a poster like a thing on the wall of the bathroom of where we do land party I'm not gonna dox that one of where we do land party and it like has the the family tree of alcohol basically and like where all the different types come from and how they derive from each other and stuff and that's super cool it was actually really nice
00:31:32
Speaker
but otherwise, you know, I can't really have opinions on things that I don't engage with. Just hate on lightbears and you'll be okay. There you go. Yeah, that's garbage, obviously.
00:31:43
Speaker
Um, the other thing is you mentioned like they'd say in some locations, like, Hey, this isn't beer. What that reminded me of is there was the, um, I think it was subway. They got hit somewhere in Europe because they were, uh, their bread had too much sugar in it. And they're like, that's, that's a pastry or like, that's a sweet or something like that. Like that's not bread. They couldn't call it bread. Um, I mean, to be fair, if you've been to a subway, that's, that's pretty fair to say. Yes. Um, Hey, sugar bread tastes good. I'm just saying.
00:32:12
Speaker
But yeah, I would be funny if it was Italy though, because they do have Italian herbs and cheese. And you're just like, yeah, that's not it. We did this for you. But I saw you had a lot of topics. I only had a few.
00:32:35
Speaker
What do you wanna talk about?
Skepticism on Alternative Remedies
00:32:37
Speaker
I'm gonna force you to pick one of these at random. Okay, I'll start with the first one then. What is energy healing? And if this is some sort of grift, I buy in, 100%, let's go.
00:32:51
Speaker
So I was just thinking of like things to ask. I was like, oh, what do you think is something that's really bullshit as far as either a health practice or something else? So my mind immediately jumped to Reiki, which is energy healing. Hmm.
00:33:07
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But hey, you dumb bitch. I'm not protoss. I don't have an energy shield by default. You dumb motherfucker. But also such a good comeback. It's great in the wild, too. I know. I spent way too long thinking about that joke. A comedian also, I was rewatching their special and they had a joke about it.
00:33:27
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Where they essentially were going in for a massage? And then again, it was probably just set up for the bit. It's like oh, I don't actually touch you. This is an energy healing I kind of wave my hand over you and align your chakras, right? Then he's like a lot from massage was done and if you went to pay it's like oh Well, I'm not gonna actually pay you actual money. I'm just gonna wave my hand over your wallet and send you energy dollars But that's me is
00:33:57
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Like you can't say like, oh, you have an energy. I'm going to put my hand over you to align your energy. Ah, yes. Don't you feel better? Right. That to me is fucking insane that people buy into that. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's a lot of things that fall under alt medicine and health and stuff like that, that you can be critical of. Some of them are more acceptable or accepted, I should say, than others.
00:34:28
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Skeptic, you know, I don't believe in energy healing. I don't believe in crystals or anything like that We went to a well crystals are entirely different thing Jake. Yes Well, I would argue so we went to an art place recently and they had like a display of crystals and what the Various effects and things were and I had to specifically be like I started to like openly criticize it and I was like, wait a minute I don't know like maybe the artist is around right? Like maybe the person who owns this is here admit. They're already in the room. They're in the room with us right now
00:34:48
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But obviously, as
00:34:59
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and that concerned me jake is i built a presence yeah i didn't i didn't i don't want to like offend someone and it's also kind of like pointless right like oh this is i don't want to harsh their mellow to use art terminology um
00:35:17
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or pothead terminology i'm not sure from some decade but it's obviously like it's it's all just made up right this is a way to sell fancy looking rocks a little bit more expensively than you otherwise would
00:35:34
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And I'm not a big fan of that. That is, you know, literally snake oil salesman type stuff. How do you get the oil from the snake? Hold on. That's that's the trick. That is the trick. Yeah, like you don't have to sell me on quartz or other rocks and geodes to make a very broad generalization on that statement. Like a lot of them do look really cool.
00:35:59
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And I was like, oh shit. When I was younger, I loved going to like the caves and they'd have some polished gemstones or simple geodes for you to like take home. And again, it's marked up a little bit, but it was a cool shiny thing and I was a crow of a child.
00:36:16
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But I had like a little box of like these are my cool shiny things and I don't have anything anymore, but There is a shop not too far in downtown by me Where I wouldn't mind going back to and maybe just grabbing a geode of something where it looks cool Yeah, I just you know the earth doing its own natural shit And it comes out to the very cool-looking crystal in a color that I like Huzzah But to say that it has these properties of healing
00:36:47
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No, it's a rock. Yeah, it's a rock. It's completely unnecessary Like I remember taking the geology course and we had like identification tests for these different things. So like in this one's calcite and this one's quartz or whatever and you know
00:37:02
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It was always funny where they're like, okay, here's where you can start to identify it based off taste right because this one's gonna taste like salt and I don't know if I was I mean, I do know that I wasn't always the smartest kid, but I'm like, I'm very uncertain I'm gonna taste like everything and they're like, these are common samples. You may not actually want to just taste everything I don't think I had to do that for all of them. I think they gallium it was pretty Obviously the super heavy metal that you should not taste Yes
00:37:32
Speaker
Usually the one that looks like salt is salt. Uh-huh. And there's like pumice or something like that. And it's like, you lick that and your tongue is not going to thank you for it. Yeah. It's basically a Brillo pad. If it was made of stone. Yes. Right. But it is cool that they have those formations or it actually is that soft where it can actually break off. Yeah.
00:37:59
Speaker
And I just like in that class, that was enough, right? You don't need to attach anything spiritual to it to make it cool. It's all like geology is already really cool. Geology rocks. That's true. And there's a free phrase for you geology community that you've just heard today for the first time. Yeah, we're going to get death threats. But.
00:38:25
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. And the other ones I just want to rattle off real quick, obviously. There was the crap. Now everything's my brain as is much because I can't remember these terms dilute when you dilute things with water and you're like, this is now more concentrated. What was that belief? Oh, I know I've brought you into my into my room of ignorance.
00:38:55
Speaker
Is it homeopathic? Homeopathic remedies, yeah. Where everything just watered down and so diluted. Yeah, that's nonsense. Like, sorry if this is news to anybody out there, but if you take a concentrated thing and you mix it with a less concentrated thing, it doesn't become more concentrated.
00:39:17
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I freaking love that. Like there is a comedy skit about that one, which I'm sure you've seen. It wasn't Key and Peel. It was Mitchell and Webb, that Mitchell and Webb look. They did a skit on that. It's delicious. But yeah, that's one of the reasons why I think.
00:39:35
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my mom has some, some stuff going on. Cause she's mentioned stuff like that to me along with being like, Oh, I don't trust wifi. And I'm like, uh-huh. I don't feel like you in science are best of friends. So it's hard for me to agree with you on a lot of subjects.
00:39:55
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Yeah, for my mom, I think she had a similar situation because it was back. It was during the pandemic. Right. It was it was either 4G or 5G was coming out and they were like, we're not really sure. There's some evidence of some people getting sick and they're near towers and stuff. And I'm like, you do realize that this is these are radio waves and they're the same as they have been. There wasn't some magic. This one's going to give you a cancer variant. So.
00:40:26
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But yeah, I mean, you can't convince people like that, right? Cause their, their source of truth is already corrupted. The well that they draw from has been poisoned. And unless you guys share some common wells where you're like, Hey, this is where facts come from. There's no reconciling it, right? You can't teach. They're not going to get a degree in signal analysis and then get to the end and be like, huh, five G's probably fine. Right. They have to trust what someone says.
00:40:58
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Yeah, it's just I don't know. I would love for somebody to point out a major blind spot for me where it's like, oh, but you do this thing. Right. And I know like I do some stuff that is stupid or doesn't always make sense.
00:41:17
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Like I'll throw myself under the bus very briefly. I have in the back of my head. I don't actually think this is a 100% true thing, but in my mind, sugar is a preservative to a degree. So if something has sugar, it's not necessarily likely to go bad immediately. Right. So there's definitely some stuff that I've kept around longer because I'm like, Oh, it's like encased in sugar. Like it'll be fine. Right.
00:41:47
Speaker
This is kind of like an old wives tale sort of thing. You're just like oh, yeah, there's some preservative in there So you're good. What really you got to do is put salt on everything In case it in salt. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it does it I Mean that actually it was a way to keep meat for a while. I mean, so I played they weren't having good meat. Yeah, he's kind of That's why I was like
00:42:12
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The real difficulty in Oregon Trail is establishing the balance, where obviously over 50% of everything on your cart is buffalo meat. But you need salt for the unsalted meat, because you want to load up to as close as you can get to 100% buffalo meat before you get to the next fort.
00:42:31
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Like it was day two and little Susie lost all of her spare clothes and dolls and everything like that because we needed to put more buffalo meat on the curb. Tell you Susie we can carve you off a sweet new outfit. It's gonna smell salty.
00:42:48
Speaker
But it'll keep you warm. It's like day one. There's the picture taken of them leaving independence. Is independence where you end up? I honestly don't remember. I can't remember. Anyways, I think it's in Oregon. So yeah, you leave independence and you end up somewhere else in Oregon. But it's day one. They're all like wearing suits and petticoats and stuff like that. They look excellent. Time appropriate in day two.
00:43:18
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It's just buffalo skins. Every person has like a hat that's just like a buffalo head. It just sized appropriately to the person.
00:43:30
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It's going to take years for us to make it out west because we move very slow under the weight of all of the buffalo meat. But those that make it will be incalculably rich because we have depopulated everything between here and there and gathered some dandelions in case we get sick.
Alternative Medicine: Chiropractic and Pharmaceuticals
00:43:53
Speaker
Why are these Indians pissed that we've killed literally everything in our path, destroying the natural ecosystem, and disrupting their way of life? I gotta get to Oregon!
00:44:10
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I really, the big danger was, I think I played fourth edition. I think David's the one. What's the rule set for that one? Yeah, for fourth edition, one of the things they had was like, when you forward rivers, your success chance was based off the weight of your wagon.
00:44:26
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And so if you were constantly running overloaded, every river was potentially like the death nail to your trek. Anybody else? You're running light, whatever, caulk the wagon. Maybe you have grains or some other useless food. You haven't moved over to a 100%. I for the river using buffalo meat. Yes, exactly. The buoyancy of buffalo. I built a bridge.
00:44:52
Speaker
Yeah, that was a fun game. I don't think I played it right. I don't think anybody did. I feel like people just shot Buffalo like I did. At least that's what I tell myself. It pretty much was just the jankiest deer hunter simulator, and the deer just had terrible proportions. Yes. Actually, the one I played also had deer, but I mean, Buffalo were where it was at. Bigger hitbox, so it's true.
00:45:20
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The other ones I wanted to rapidly call out for bad medicine. Acupuncture, not a thing. You're just getting stabbed with needles. And then chiropractic is actually, I see the head tilt. This is the last one. This is why it's the last one. Some people really do believe good things of chiropractic, but it's not like officially recognized medicine.
00:45:44
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that part is true and you could go out of it feeling better because you basically got the effects of like a massage which makes anybody feel better but there's also massive health risks so
00:46:00
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You know, maybe I will say I've definitely gone to a couple over time because I've had back issues for fucking ever. And yeah, a lot of times it was. They are adjusting your spine to a degree using basically like a small massage gun. But yeah, like immediately afterwards, you're like, ah, I am massaged or whatever. But it wasn't like a foolproof thing. We're like, ah, yes, I am now good.
00:46:30
Speaker
Right. And I understand spines are difficult things, but there's still a part of me that like wants it to be, I want her to be a solution to my back problems versus me just being fucked. Um, cause I have scoliosis, which is a sexy spine, AKA it's got those curves. It's an S. Yeah. Model S spine.
00:46:53
Speaker
And that's fair that one. I I will not pretend that I'm a doctor. I don't know to what extent chiropractic helps But I also know that if they're overselling it like if they're selling it a lot, they're probably overselling it
00:47:12
Speaker
You know fancy massage someone pushing on your back Maybe helping with alignment in some cases and occasionally snapping your neck or rupturing a vertebrae or doing so I don't know I don't like that stuff. I got videos on YouTube where they're like, oh, let me crack their neck that to me even like
00:47:29
Speaker
Your wife, if we're like all hanging out, she likes to like pop her joints and stuff. I think it just makes her feel better. It's just like the equivalent of me cracking my knuckles. But when I hear it on somebody else, it upsets me. It's unsettling to a certain degree. So like, especially with that neck thing, it is just it is too much because I feel like they're actively damaging something. I think also a lot of those videos are just kind of.
00:47:57
Speaker
Not exactly the same as standard chiropractic medicine. Yeah, but I don't know how to do it. It's all suspicious to me, but I understand people who want to get better and natural medicine's not working for them. To give my mom a little bit of credit if she's still listening to this, which I hope she's not, because she always forgets the name of the podcast and I refuse to remind her now.
00:48:26
Speaker
A lot of traditional medicine is really just trying to treat symptoms and not necessarily the root cause. Right. And I do agree with that. A lot of stuff is like, hey, take medication for this, take medication for this. So you'll feel better, but it doesn't necessarily address base issues. Now, like certain things you are just born with and you can't really fix your genetics. Other things that might actually be a root cause, whether it's
00:48:51
Speaker
I mean, they will say diet for a lot of things, but that's definitely not a panacea or a cure-all solution of fixing your diet. It just helps narrow down other things. What's up? I was just giving you credit for using panacea. It's a good word. Yeah, it's one of the few words I'm like, oh, I'm going to keep this in my lexicon forever. Also, lexicon discovery recently. Yeah, we actually defined that one, I think, in the last episode. Yeah, we did.
00:49:18
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So if you two are a fan of Lexi, if you want to see me next summer at Lexicon, Lexicon, it's about Lex Luthor.
00:49:30
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yeah it's it's tough because i don't know i think is the thing everyone should know is like what the rough um placebo rates are uh for responsiveness to to treatment right because
00:49:48
Speaker
There's so many things out there where it's like it kind of helps if I take echinacea or vitamin C or something like this or I take a lot of this medicine or zinc or whatever and Maybe in some cases, you know those help or procedure helps and maybe chiropractic helps but it's like compare that to the placebo or it's like we did something and We know it does nothing, but you still think it did something so you're gonna feel better anyways, right? I
00:50:15
Speaker
And the placebo rates are actually pretty high in a lot of cases because the human mind actually has a lot of control over how you perceive and even how you feel about pain or interactions with the world, everything like that. This is why I love Western medicine.
00:50:42
Speaker
Cause I've never been somebody who's like, ah, don't put those chemicals in my body, please. Load me up with that shit, dude. Make me fucking bane from Batman. I want things to be fixed. I want to feel good. I don't want to feel pain or anxiety. Give me the fucking drugs.
00:51:01
Speaker
And I don't, I had a conversation with somebody a very long time ago, um, about, I think a certain antidepressant. And I was like, Oh, well, why would you just hop on that fucking train? And they had a concern that to a degree, it might numb you out to other things, basically like changing who you are to a degree. Right.
00:51:25
Speaker
Which I get, but at the same time, if who I am is like a constantly anxious and upset and sad, lonely person, again, bang me up, dude. Right. You need the gas tank, it's just attached to your back, constantly flooding into your body.
00:51:42
Speaker
You have your Moira with the one decrepit hand. Fully invigorated. Why is Dave always pointing his right hand at me aggressively? He's just muttering piss over and over again. In a conversation at a social get-together, he's like, I'm out of piss and leaves the room. But yeah.
00:52:13
Speaker
It's tough, you know? We talk about information and legitimate information a lot, it seems, when we kind of drift off. But I think that's just part of the modern zeitgeist, right? Like it's, I mean, where do you get your information from? There's so much stuff where everybody's trying to sell you something. Yeah.
00:52:33
Speaker
Except us, cause we don't have any advertising. We don't have anything you can spend money on. Not yet. At some point we were joking about making merch, but it would just be a single t-shirt. Put like the minimum effort in. Cause I know now that there are merch places where like you don't have an initial commitment. It's not like, Hey, how many, how many thousand do you want in the initial printing?
00:53:01
Speaker
It's more like, we'll just print things as people make orders. You don't have to pay for a thousand. And that's not bad. My wife has some of her stuff on that.
Podcast Merch Ideas and Pop Culture
00:53:13
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I would definitely do that. And mainly just be like, hey, couple of friends who want this for shits and giggles. Yeah. It'd be more for like, if I see them at some point, they'd be like,
00:53:23
Speaker
Hey, I got the shirt, I'd be like, yo. And that would be it. That's the second tier of self-actualization. The first tier of actualization as a business owner, which is the most generous thing we could ever call the podcast, would be where you replace all of the gifts you would usually get someone around the hall with merch for your own thing.
00:53:48
Speaker
This is this is to my aunt who got me a sweater three Christmases in a row. I got you now motherfucker uh-huh The picture is it just says soapstone on it But then it's just a picture of you wearing the sweater that she got you and like not looking that happy in it And it's just our official merch now See the deep cut would be to do that exact thing as merch and then everyone would be like what?
00:54:16
Speaker
If you if you know, you know, all right. Yeah, exactly That's that's definitely an episode like what are we? 370 something like that type of that's that's what we pull it. Is it too high? What do you think we're at next next next topic? We're still sub 300 it's probably like high 280s
00:54:40
Speaker
high two eighties. Okay. All right. Let's see what we got here. I'm going to hit the all episodes button. Um, uh, two 68. So eight was in it to, to your credit.
00:54:53
Speaker
But we are getting there. Almost 300. We're going to have to have a Spartan dedicated episode where we can just live react to audio from the movie 300. If you want us to kick somebody down a well right in. There's a way to do. Maybe we'll do a video for 300.
00:55:12
Speaker
Oh, someone may panic knowing that he still has 50 weeks before that happens. Not enough time to prepare. I mean, I'm going to need to start working out. But yeah.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yeah, what if we just hired stand-ins who were buff as shit? That'd be great. I want my stand-in to be super tall. Uh-huh. We just go to, like, Fiverr. Just grab two actors and just get them to pretend to be us. We dub over them poorly. I shouldn't reveal all of the best ideas for what you should do for this episode and the podcast itself. Probably not.
00:55:56
Speaker
Probably not. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Um, we can give them credit exposure. They can be the first advertising. Feel like we will continue to advertise for you in every episode for as long as the podcast goes on. I feel like paying people on exposure is not the best. It didn't work out for Louis C.K. Oof. You know, that's a good joke. Anybody appreciate that callback? Um, Louis C.K. did not. Please. Could we just keep talking about our end part?
00:56:27
Speaker
So I saw a movie recently. Yeah. I'm thinking now to talk about it. Cause it is a, would you throw a shrimp on it? Yes. But also she is Australian too. Oh really? Yeah. Margot Robbie is Australian. The movie in question was the Barbie movie. I've heard good things. Same.
00:56:51
Speaker
Which is why I wanted to go see it. Also, some gal friends wanted to go see it as well. I'm like, yeah, let's do it up. Because typically I don't think about going to see movies unless I'm going with a group. Right. And I had heard decent things. And I think the nature cry reaction for everybody is when you hear about a Barbie movie, like, oh, no, it's gonna be like another battleships or Tetris or something else where it's like,
00:57:15
Speaker
So fucking like, we'll say the name of it once, but here's a lot of backstory of this thing. I'm like, Oh, I don't give a shit. Yeah, but it was good. It was honestly good. Um, a lot of parts that I'm probably going to quote, um, for the next couple of weeks. It's just a good fun time. Uh, good message too. I think a lot of people who are more.
00:57:39
Speaker
conservatively minded like Ben Shapiro will see it and be like Oh, they're trying to push feminism down your throat. I'm like no that wasn't actually the point of the movie I Mean there is a feminist message in it, but it's not Women are better than men. It's just Hey women have a lot of shit, but they also have a message for guys as well like
00:58:06
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I don't know. It was honestly just, it was a fun thing. Um, it had some good subversion in there too. There were some crying moments as well. Not for me, but for.
00:58:19
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Ask one of the friends we went with was a is a mom and is also soon to be a mom again So she's currently pregnant But they had a pregnant Barbie in the movie. They're like, oh midge I thought we just continued you and like she kept coming up in the movie with there's some other things tied to Motherhood and like having a daughter and relationships. It was just all really well done. But it was obviously emotional Had some emotional ties in there as well
00:58:47
Speaker
But again, good movies can do that to you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know anything about it. So the mention of, you know, motherhood and the daughterhood and, you know, family relationships, things like that. That's not what I traditionally have associated with Barbie. My brain kind of has Barbie still in the space of like.
00:59:10
Speaker
And admittedly, this is informed by my upbringing a little bit and hasn't changed since then. But it's like, here's the toy for girls, right? What's GI Joe? The toy for boys. There you go. There's not too much more to them than that. One of them had a better show. But I'm glad that they're I'm glad that they're, you know, making something more meaningful for the movie. Yeah, I honestly do recommend if you're like, oh, I heard good things about it. Check it out. Nice.
00:59:38
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I don't want to spoil everything for it. I had no expectations going in, and it exceeded my expectations. It's good. That's good. So at least it's on the chart. Yes, it is.
00:59:54
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There's no part of the movie. I'm like, Oh my God, this fucking thing. Uh-huh. Yeah. You might have to have a little bit more of a conservative leaning to have that take apparently based off what I've, I've heard at least. If you guys want to see our next episode where I, uh, burn Barbie dolls on a, on a grill for 40 minutes, we'll talk about how shit the movie was. Mm-hmm.
01:00:17
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That would be a very, you found a way to make it a much more one-sided episode where I don't talk over you the whole time. I was just trying to make a Ben Shapiro reference. Well, that's fair too. That's fair too. Um, let's see, we are in the final, uh, the final throws of the podcast. Uh, what else do you want to
Moments of Joy and Social Gatherings
01:00:40
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talk about? You got more on your list. We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to take a cleaver to it. We just talked too much about.
01:00:47
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medicine That's fair, it's fair What's something that made you smile this week Jake? What's the list something off? This is the equivalent of? Thanksgiving with your family and you're like fuck I really want to eat some turkey and stuffing but hey Let's go around the table first and I'll say what we're thankful for Mm-hmm, and you're like I hope I can say stuffing before somebody else does is a joke because I really want to stop it Uh-huh
01:01:13
Speaker
If you're committed to the bit you just say stuff it anyways Just be like we're in agreement. Why would that ever be bad? So this week I think a smile smile moment for me was we have we have a cat we've had for probably over a month now a new cat and Sometimes he's kind of a pain because he's got a lot of energy and claws but other times he's just
01:01:39
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Incredibly cute like he'll just like walk up to you and just be like I want to be picked up, right? Like like a toddler basically and it's absolutely adorable. So Just kind of like laying down on the couch and he's just like I am just gonna sleep here on you Is great. It's such a it's such a great feeling Honestly fatherhood has nothing on it like trash decision by comparison
01:02:07
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No, just kidding. I'm just kidding, but it was it was very much a smile moment. What about you?
01:02:13
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I mean, my thing is somewhat related, as kids are basically cats. But before we went to go see the movie, we were at my friend's place, and there's a son who's around like two, once he got into like the, oh, there's people over, warmed up to me a bit, and he just kind of like grabbed me by a finger, because again, very small hands, but he like dragged me over to his toys and was showing me stuff and speaking kid talk, meaning like just going off and like,
01:02:42
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Yeah. Okay. That's cool. Yeah. But he did it twice. I just thought it was really cute and wholesome. It's nice to see them grow up slowly and kind of get more of an identity. Right.
01:02:56
Speaker
Yeah, that's actually really adorable. Um, I would argue that one, that one wins out. That one wins out. Now the plus for catching the plus for cats is they don't grow up. Well, they do, but they don't grow up to the same capacity that humans do. So you just don't have to deal with all the teenage crap, all that stuff in the middle. Um, being a teenager sucks. Let me just say that. Just skip that. Be like kid, adult, everything in little gun.
01:03:23
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It's fine. Yeah. I think I was a relatively reasonable teenager compared to like some other teenagers, but like I still have to imagine I was a huge pain in the ass. Yeah. I don't think those years are ever easy for parents.
01:03:42
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No, that's good. That's a good take. I don't have it for, I'm not going to go into details here necessarily, but I am looking at making some computers. I didn't want to mention that as one of my little topic things.
01:03:58
Speaker
because we have a LAN party coming up which we're very excited for. We're gonna start bothering people to make sure that they've made their votes for what games they want to play and try to get some of that into like a schedule so people that want to play those games can be like, I'm gonna be available at 2 p.m. or whatever. Hopefully that works out, we'll see. But man, making computers is fun. It is fun. And it's not a crazy time for it right now.
01:04:26
Speaker
I'll see if I can talk about that more a little bit in the future. Because I don't think we've ever covered anything related to PC building on here. Mainly because I don't know how to do it. That's fair. There you go. You know, we got a topic coming up. It's a free slot. We never plan any of this stuff. Just the PC building topic. I don't think that would get us now. How would I build a Mac?
01:04:57
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So anyways, if you guys have ideas for future episodes, you can send those in. Or if you have other medicines that you don't believe in, you want to disabuse us of the notion that they may be effective or true, send in your peer-reviewed research at soapstonepodcast.gmail.com. We have no subscriptions to any academic services, so you will just need to attach it.
01:05:22
Speaker
If, however, you want to send us your non-peer reviewed research that's just made up, you can send that to our Facebook at facebook.com slash soapstone podcast. And as always, we'll see you in a nice one.