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Speaker: All right. everyone, and welcome to Psy6101, where we discuss everything about the world of psych and the antics of Sean and Gus in sunny Santa Barbara. I'm Skylar, and this is my partner, the rodent of unusual size.
Speaker: And today we'll be talking about the princess bride and she's all that, a part of our foundational unit of Psy6101. Yeah, two... yeah two
Speaker: very iconic films okay very and i have never seen either i have seen the princess bride i think in school because we've read it oh okay and it's one of my favorite books it's really wonderful i could see why yeah i would recommend the book i feel like we read the book and then like watched the movie in class as like a sophomore i think oh nice it was like a unit on satire i think oh fun um and And I remember being like, and like knowing so much about the movie and like everybody like, lot of people have relationships with this movie going back to like as kids. And I was a little let down because some of my favorite elements of the book are not reflected there. Okay. I'll have to read book.
Speaker: you know. I'll take them separately. yeah I do recommend the book too. um But yeah, it was super fun to watch it. And I've never seen She's All That, but I like know of it as, you know, got the iconic reveal. oh yes, of course.
Speaker: Kiss Me. Yep. Oh, so good. Yeah. So, yeah, it was really fun to like, ah as a scholar of rom-coms. Yes, yes. too finally see that.
Speaker: Yeah, they were both really fun. Very funny. I found myself laughing out loud multiple times. Today, I felt I watched She's All That today with some colleagues during school and I felt like my colleagues thought I was a maniac because I was laughing at some of these jokes. I loved She's All That. Like, it was so fun I feel like it was so perfectly 90s in a way that I don't know that I've ever seen.
Speaker: such a tookck perfect distillation what like the music and like you've got kind of like the grungy side with her yep like the intro I was like wow this is this is like a different kind of 90s movie than I'm than I have seen and then yeah just like the high schoolness of it and the real world and like all of these pieces were just Yes. was just fun.
Speaker: And so perfect for coming at this through the lens of psych. I was constantly screaming as I realized who the different cast members I cannot believe. Dulé Hill.
Speaker: Dulé Hill was great guy. I know. I was like, what? I like, are you kidding me? And not even like a background character. Like he was a good like...
Speaker: was in good chunk of the movie. Yeah. I mean, so when... oh gosh. I don't know their real names. What's her name? Rachel Lee Cook? Yes. so Like, when she came into Psych, he must have, like, known her. Yes. They must have been, like, friends in some way. I wonder if he even suggested her, maybe, as... Maybe. well I mean, they... as a show, they...
Speaker: constantly like bring in these like iconic people. Yes. And she is that like, it was just wild that they, maybe he was the contact. Yeah.
Speaker: We want Rachel. We took Dulé, do some magic. I mean, across both movies. Yes. I was like, what? Then The Princess Bride, this is not psyched, but did you realize that Grandpa is Columbo?
Speaker: Yes, I did. I wrote that down. He's so familiar. Yes, I was like, oh my God. was like, this is literally perfect. I don't know how we manage somehow to watch things in the right order every time but we really do. I was like oh my God, it's freaking Columbo. Yeah, that was...
Speaker: That is wild. And then Humperdinck. Humperdinck. Chris Sarandon, who was in Dog Day Afternoon and also is in Psych as the Think Tank guy.
Speaker: yes, yes. Bonaventure. Yep. Which I was like, what? My craziest, one the one that I was literally shouting at was Jesse Jackson in She's All That.
Speaker: So Lainey's best friend. He is... Climb! Climb! I was what is happening? I was like, what is happening right Yeah.
Speaker: Seriously. What? I know. And we... Oh, now that we're talking about this, when listened to the Tuesday the 17th, didn't they talk about getting him? And like, he was like some... They like flew him in. yes. They didn't mention she's all that or anything. No, no. But like, just that connection is wild. know.
Speaker: Crazy. And then also, a wild one was... First, I was like just looking through IMDB, so I came across him there, and then I was like, wait. and ah But the prom the photographer at the prom... Yes! saw that too! Writer, producer...
Speaker: ah actor of several roles in Psych, yeah Carlos J. Cott. I wrote down his name. there we I was like, what? it Yeah, it was absolutely wild. it Yes, it was great. I mean, and I feel like it makes so much sense as to why Psych feels so perfectly nostalgic when you watch it because they really do just have so many people from all of your favorite things ever. Like,
Speaker: just show up in the most perfect ways yeah jill that was such a star-studded cast apart from people who were in psych usher who was in it paul walker was in it gabrielle union little kim it was like so i was like what it was awesome not to mention freddie prince jr oh my gosh and then sarah michelle geller had a little cameo which was adorable crazy Like, yeah.
Speaker: And then another, they not a psych thing, but the dad, Freddie Prinze Jr.'s dad is the vice president from the West Wing, which Julie must have just been about to start. or Like, it would have been right around the same time.
Speaker: um Which, yeah, the 90s were a small world, I guess. Yeah, a little bit more. I i don't want to use the word, like, incestual, but you know what mean? Like, a little bit more, eight like...
Speaker: Everyone was kind of had a hand in every pot. Yeah, but it is weird because I do feel like I'm like, have I not seen other movies from the 90s? But like this felt unique. yeah it felt really.
Speaker: Yeah, the the vibe of it. felt a little different i would agree oh oh oh the other thing that i noticed was the school that they were at i actually think that's the set from buffy the vampire slayer is it was in the trivia my husband was reading through all the trivia i'm like you shut up but i was just sitting there and i was like i think this is the buffy set But I wonder if it's like one of the, like a a lot, you know, it it's like a school on a lot that they use or something. I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker: A place that's a willing to... you know, rent out their space. I don't know. But I loved the other thing I loved. And I feel like I always feel this way with anything that is not on the East Coast. I love how outdoors everything was. Like this school. That's so funny. that They're just walking around outside. There's lockers outside. i was like, this sounds great.
Speaker: This looks wonderful. That did not occur to me at all because that is what my schools are like. But yeah, I was wondering if like sarah michelle geller and freddie prince jr were like maybe just dating at the time or if she was just around because of buffy like because it was we were reading like the credits and seeing like all these different people and it said she was like girl in cafeteria yeah and then when she came up like it was a proper cameo yeah um so yeah that was really fun
Speaker: Yeah, it's a good... Oh, Matthew Lillard. Oh my God. So good. He was... I've never... i have I've never registered him as anything other than Shaggy from Scooby-Doo movies because just so iconic. Which three Scooby-Doo gang members... know.
Speaker: it's So good. Represented here. Yes. And i'm now i was thinking while watching this movie, I was like, did that come... I can't even remember when that came out. Did that come before? Did that come after? like It had to be like early 2000s, huh? Right? let Let me look at that. feel like I would have been a little older.
Speaker: oh yeah. 2002. Not much later. Just a years. Yeah. And this was 99. So only three years later. I wonder, like, did they... Just happened to, again, coincide on two different movies. They, like, you know, really like working together so much. and then they just happened to fall into Scooby-Doo. Like, when did Sarah Michelle Gellar and Freddie Prinze Jr. start dating? I want to know. much to... Yeah. What a time. What a time. Turn of the millennium.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah, it was... it was a great movie. I found myself, like... constantly be i'm talking she's all that i found myself constantly like oh who am i who am i rooting for like i don't even know anymore i was like i don't want to root for freddie prince jr because he started with this whole bet thing and i don't want that at rooting for abigail uh laney because she you know she figured it out from the beginning she was adorable by the she was so so cute great so cute and i felt like
Speaker: She really felt like a real person. Yes, totally. Like only who I would have gone to school with. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I loved that. Especially like working with high schoolers, they have such a like niche. Yeah.
Speaker: way of the world you know they have very like specific interests and very specific talents and things that they just root on to and like stick to that so the fact that it started off with like her in the art room talking about this like tragedy in another country I was like yep that makes total sense I was like that is such a high schooler and I loved when they were like gonna go to the art show yes like we're given no information that we get there and she's in the performance art show and then when they made him get up there i was like what is that that was wild and the fact that he came up with anything i know yeah and it really seems like a release for him like totally
Speaker: Yeah, they really set up his... and It was like yeah Like haunting. Yes. Like, can't drop it. Whatever he was saying. Yeah, that was wild. There were some moments where I was like... The most jarring was at the party. When...
Speaker: it Kayla Vaughn? Oh, yeah. I didn't catch her name, but yeah. I mean, they say like a hundred times. The girl on the floor? Taylor Vaughn. Oh, Taylor Vaughn. Oh, sorry. I thought you meant the that girl. Our girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Taylor Vaughn. In the beginning, I kind of liked her. i thought she was like a fun. Yeah, she seems fun. She just like dumped him. She seemed like silly. Yeah. um And then at the party, she like went...
Speaker: just turned corner i don't know what that i was i like went back through the transcript i was like did i miss something like what set her off um and i don't know still that was kind of crazy but yeah and then yeah the other girl who's in but i'm a cheerleader another great 90s oh i was wondering where i recognized her from Clea Duvall. I guess Misty is her character's name. Misty, yes. now I was like in the art room when her and that other girl came up to Lainey. I was like, these seem like the kind of people... like They were like alternative and kind of grungy and stuff and arty. And I was like...
Speaker: Why are they mean to her I was so confused too. But then at the end, you realize it's a class thing. Yeah, that's And then I was like, oh, okay. Not okay, obviously. Don't be mean to people like that. But i was like, she's different in this way. Not the fact that they both are, but in the fact that one of them is rich and one of them is not.
Speaker: Yeah. that hope That whole post-humorous thing, up post posthumous post thing. Yes. I was like, whoa. That's crazy.
Speaker: calm down and also felt like very 90s of like very you should kill yourself like whoa just straight up yeah yeah and also those guys in the cafeteria who were mean to the it all felt like so 90s extreme yeah because i i have heard a lot of well i guess what i know about this movie there's you know, people all but obviously talk. It's famous for that scene of like, oh, she takes off her glasses and he's beautiful.
Speaker: um And it being like, you know, kind of a a sexist, didn't age well, all that stuff. and yeah And there are elements of that there. But also I felt like it like it felt very true to the time. Like I could see why this person, Lainey, even though she's
Speaker: I don't like watching it. Like she's, she's adorable. She seems fine. Like she's funny. um But I could totally see that person being bullied in a high school like that. Yes, absolutely. And kids are mean. yes um Kids are mean and kids are very, again, like niche, I feel like is the word I want to use. Like the things that kids are mean about.
Speaker: are ridiculously specific. like Yeah. Especially if we're looking at the... Yeah, totally extreme. Like, unnecessarily extreme. But if we're looking at this movie from, like, a class perspective or a socioeconomic perspective...
Speaker: Maybe it really isn't that she's not beautiful, not cute and adorable, but it's the fact that she doesn't do the things that the people in the in-group do. So she doesn't wear the makeup. She doesn't have the cute hair. She doesn't have the right clothes. She doesn't have the right shoes. You know, she she doesn't go to the parties and do the things. And her dad.
Speaker: And her dad. Works for them. Right. Yeah. So when all of a sudden now they're like, hey, we're going to make you up into what is the thing that you're supposed to be. Now it's like, ah, now she fits the standard. Now it's right. Now it's okay.
Speaker: Even though objectively, yes, she's totally adorable. She's so cute. My male colleague in the back of the room is like, she's hot the entire time. And I'm like, yes, we all know. Go away. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. i like that There are also a lot of characters who... i don't know. It was like... what i mean And she is also just... like She doesn't want any part of them either. No. like yeah She's very defensive and with them. um And like that beach scene, I thought...
Speaker: Like a lot of them seem really nice. Like Dulé seems very nice. I like Gabrielle Union's. Yeah. Like little arc. I like that she kind of changed sides. And the election sequence is fun. Where like all these different clubs like like prisoners rights for Laney or something.
Speaker: So I guess she's not alone in that school of... people who don't fit in this group. but But yeah, she does feel very isolated. And as a movie progresses that that to some extent that's presented as partially her choice.
Speaker: Um, yeah. And I do feel like that's very high school as well. Like there is everyone I'm sure can think back to like that in group of people from high school that was very selective and like they did their own thing and other people did their own thing. Um, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, and she wasn't the odd man out, but she definitely was not a part of that group until they, like, made her a part of that group. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: I did love the little, yeah in the, like, sequence of all the elections, the guys rapping and, of course, dropping gosh the movie name. Like, he said the thing. He said it!
Speaker: I thought that was really cute. yeah and I loved... I loved so much that this was a high school movie, but it was so kid centered. Like it was very rare that you saw an adult, which i feel like is kind of odd. a Because it's a school.
Speaker: But you got to see like all the in between times, which I feel like is the stuff that to kids really matters. Like that's where you're figuring out where you belong and who you are. um And the one teacher that we really do see is like this art teacher who's just trying to encourage Lainey to you know be herself and and go to school and all those cool things. um But yeah, i thought I thought that that was really fun. Just getting to see everyone doing their interesting things like Usher being the the person makes all the announcements like that was so cool such wild school yeah like it kind of is because it was like why is usher like he is doing announcements but he's also like narrating yeah exposition who doesn't love exposition yeah
Speaker: we were just talking before this i mentioned richard didn't came out he's like the lady whistledown of this high school where he's just like providing commentary over the loudspeaker like throughout the day too it seems like he just lives in there yeah that's his job he doesn't actually have to go to school he just has to come to school in order to do this yeah that was amazing yeah and I loved him at the when we eventually get to the prom and he's like making him dance a whole jig which I was like my god the dance is this a dance of the time i was like do people know this dance or was it a choreographed like they definitely choreographed what
Speaker: Okay, I gotta look. The director did something else that was like, oh, okay, I get it. Oh, from Justin to Kelly, which is the musical that they made for Kelly Clarkson and yeahp whoever that guy was. Justin then something. And Justin. Yes. um And he was the choreographer for...
Speaker: jesus christ superstar oh ge so he's just like a big musical guy and so he was probably just like we're gonna do a dance sequence yeah which it was very fun it was so fun it but it was it was also like i couldn't quite put my finger on it like it didn't really feel like 90s yeah i immediately was like this feels very wednesday coded which Yeah, they were doing a lot of like, it reminded like Rocky Horror Picture Show. totally. You can't see us, listener, but we're like doing a like, it was like the thriller almost. Yeah. Yeah, like it was like Halloween-y. Yeah.
Speaker: Which is not part of the movie at all. No, at all. But yeah, Wednesday's a good call. um And it also reminded me... kind of as it was getting going it reminded me of like grease like it was very swingy yes very and i wonder if they were going for that because that also being like a iconic high school movie which has some similar themes um
Speaker: but But yeah, it was just like a blast. like what It was so weird and so fun. Yeah. And it was the other thing I thought was so funny, too, is the whole time I was like, where's Lainey? Where's Freddie Prinze Jr.? And none of them were in it. It was just like clearly people who can dance. But that was also fun, too, because it's.
Speaker: It's all high school. There's so many people that you don't know at a high school, especially go to a big high school. um So it's just people having a good time and dancing and usher in the background like, come on, everyone, gentlemen. yeah I do feel like every once in a while we would see like one of our characters. Yes. they And even like Lainey's dancing. I was like, this is, it did feel like it was part of something else. Yeah. yeah I mean, prom very much is kind of. Yeah, that's true. Something totally else.
Speaker: um Yeah. And I loved, um oh oh oh hold on the whole dean thing he was a double dog douche like he was horrible i was like i had trouble really reading him because i think because he seemed so dumb like it was hard to tell that if he was being calculating right but he was yes but i couldn't tell like did he like her at all i mean i guess in the end he just wanted to
Speaker: bang her um well and then too i was like is it that or is it he just wants her because freddie prince jr yeah right exactly like is that more the motivation did yeah well their fight in the locker room was kind of crazy because it did you're right it did seem like he was like just saying it to but bother him yeah um and then freddie like loses it And even him for a while, Freddie Prinze Jr.'s character, think it was Zack.
Speaker: Even Zack for a while, I was like, do you like her? Do you not like her? Like, are you, are you like catching feelings but not willing to admit it? Like, what's happening here? And then he goes and like attempts to deck him. And I was like, okay. I think you actually like her. Yeah. I feel like he seemed like, he seemed like a, just like a good guy um doing this stupid thing. um But I never felt like he even really, like, thought less of her or... oh no, no. Like, he was just, like... I don't know. He just... I mean, he he was really kind of like, the all-American. Like, he he... Because he's not just a jock, but he's also got the, what, fourth best GPA in the... Whatever. He's gotten into every Ivy League school. I know, my God.
Speaker: um so Yeah, he... And it was kind of... I'm like, why are you hanging out this guy? Oh, oh Dean, you mean? Dean, yeah. Yeah. i He's like another popular kid. I mean, I feel like that's just... guess, yeah. They come up together. Yeah.
Speaker: And you know, too, like, high school is so interesting because... Right. you You have spent your entire lives, theoretically, if you lived in the same town your whole life, you've spent a very long extended period of time with people. And it feels like these are the only people that matter. Yeah, for sure. You don't know the rest of the world yet. um So, every yeah, everything, like every interaction that you have, every relationship, friendship that you have, it's like that matters a lot You're right. They've probably been friends, like, their whole lives.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm sure. And so it's, like, it's hard to, it's hard to, like, learn the truth of somebody you've known for that long. Absolutely, yeah. Especially when they're probably...
Speaker: they've not been confronted with anything new any new element like this person and then that really brings out the worst in dean um which forces freddie prince jr to see that yeah i do like that she foghorn blasted his ear oh my gosh like yes ma'am good job and And it took me a second to at graduation to get that when oh when they called his name and he didn't move, that it was literally he couldn't hear it. i was like, is he just being funny? Oh, my God. I did not get that. No, he literally couldn't hear it. That's really funny.
Speaker: ah Good for her.
Speaker: okay Yeah, I do like, too, that they, um you know, kind of one one of the themes of of this movie is that, you know, everyone kind of deals with, like, different forms of pressure. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And, you know, freddie they have, a like, a whole conversation about how, like, Freddie Prinze Jr.'s pressure is, like, yes, he should be very... you know, thankful for the fact that he can go to all these Ivy League colleges, but then he kind of expands on his father's pressure and and how that's been something that's, you know, making him worried about constantly failing and how for Lainey it's more about, like, keeping her family together and protecting everybody and also being a breadwinner and, like, making sure that...
Speaker: They can do the things that they want to do, which I think was nice to get to see both sides of that equation. Yeah. And then they get to relate over that. Yes.
Speaker: Yeah. The dynamic between Lainey and her dad, it was very pretty and pink. Very pretty and pink. Yes. Very good point. yeah and you in the basement when um she's like saying no to prom so pretty and pink yeah right gotta to be a kid yeah and especially just like his whole vibe of like they even kind of look alike yeah oh having said like nothing the whole movie like literally just being there yeah it was really funny like
Speaker: like so cute when Freddie Prinze Jr. brings over the whole soccer team, including Milo Ventimiglia from Gilmore Girls. Did you notice that? No! I'm going to have to go back and watch that again. He's so funny. I love him. He's awesome. um They're all just, like, walking around the house, like, sweeping the curtains and stuff. And the dad's just sitting there, like, seemingly not even noticing them. know.
Speaker: And it... Those kinds of dad characters, though, I feel like are so classic. And, like, they're seeing... They are taking in everything, but it's like just at the choice moment when they need to hit drop some wisdom. Yes, yes. Come in and do that.
Speaker: My other, ah the other thing i loved about him, like his little quirk. I'm a big Jeopardy fan. love using Jeopardy. The fact that they had Jeopardy playing in the background and he guessed for every single question and gosh darn it, everyone was wrong, but he kept guessing. I was like, yes, you go. I had so much fun.
Speaker: That is what the game is for. taking taking a guess. Yeah, it was... I really enjoyed the movie. I think I would... easily watch it again yeah me too i didn't know i like i didn't really expect to enjoy it that much yeah i feel like yeah like you said it's so fun one of those movies that i feel like people talk about like kind of in the ether but without having watched it myself i was like oh yeah it must be must be good i guess because people talk about it but it was really good like it was really enjoyable yeah and it is i mean
Speaker: That trope is so ah familiar. Well, well I guess it's based on Pygmalion, which I guess My Fair Lady is also based on that. But My Fair Lady is like similar, like making somebody different. But I feel like there's so many – that's such a rom-com trope of – Totally. Just teaching them how to do it. Yes, yes.
Speaker: And some of my other faves play with that too or rely on that. And so it was fun to like, again, miss our pop cultural education. Yes. Tracking these like timelines of tropes and stories and stuff is fun.
Speaker: I'm glad to add this to my repertoire. Yeah. And I still just can't get over how many, like how many people were in it that just all came together for the perfect moment. Like it was just chef's gifts.
Speaker: Yeah, that, I mean, so funny. So wild. And so unexpected. I was expecting her. We picked these movies because Rachel Lee Cook is a big part of this season and she's in this movie. This is like her big yep original movie. And then Despro, whose name escapes me.
Speaker: Yeah, what is his name? Obviously being in being in the wesley the Dread Pirate Roberts. Desperose. Ah! Nope. Desperose. Carrie... Ewells.
Speaker: Elvis? don't know how to pronounce his last name. Oh, yes. Carrie. Carrie... Elvis. Elvis. But, like, these most iconic roles for these people.
Speaker: Yes. Which... is how they end up in Scythe because Scythe loves an iconic character. Little did we know we were going to get so many. So many. Spoiled.
Speaker: Yes. Yeah. And Princess Bride was really fun too. I think because for for me, at least he felt very Despero-esque. Yeah.
Speaker: Well, I was wondering specifically like when he's climbing up the cliffs of... Yes. insanity um and he's like hanging off the cliffs i was like it's been a long time since i've seen the desperate episodes but there is a part where he is like repelling up a wall right and was like is there a moment where they reference i bet that i'm glad we watch this now because going into these episodes if there are which i'm sure there are references or yeah we'll get them yes
Speaker: Yeah, it was fun. He's so um he's so debonair, like just so suave. Yeah. And I feel like he was the same in this movie, but in a different a slightly different way, which was also kind of cool.
Speaker: Yeah, and you're right. Like the way Wesley or the the man in black at the time that he's doing all these things, like is able to like out fence.
Speaker: Yes, everything. And you out. i don't know, strength? Yes. Beat Fezzik. Yes. um Outwit Vizzini. Like, he seems to be so beyond. Yeah. um Which is such a desperate thing. Like, Sean cannot figure him out. Uh-huh.
Speaker: I still don't really know what Despro. I don't. I don't know. Like, when, yeah, when we get to the end of Despro, I'm like, I i could, yeah, we'll we'll get there when we get there. But I, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker: Um, yeah, and it it is kind of in the movie, too. you You know, I think we as the viewer realize pretty soon that the man in black is Wesley. I think if you were reading the book, that would be far less apparent um because there wouldn't be the visual cues of like his facial features.
Speaker: Um, Oh, I lost my train of thought. yeah Well, one thing i will add. Yes. we like try to figure out what we were talking about no idea what was It's been a while since I have read the book, but I will say I have long felt that it has a kinship with Don Quixote.
Speaker: um which I could see that. out In this podcast as well. um And with in the book, similar to don quixote there's like sort of like framing device within a framing device um because if i remember correctly as morgan stern who is the writer of the princess bride that the in the movie that grandpa is reading yeah um is an abridger and has abridged a different story
Speaker: and Which is very Don Quixote. Which is like, yeah, like, because in Don Quixote, it's like ah a translation of a story and like all like, and so these layers um really...
Speaker: I mean, I know we've talked about it in the past, how it creates this distance from what is real or what is the true story. And I feel like that is such a Despero thing too. like Yes. they keep Every time we meet him, it gets more and more convoluted. And so we are left being like, I don't know. i don't know what he is. He can be whatever he wants. I will believe it. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. so Yeah, he totally fits in that. Without a doubt. And even that like... fantasiness or that like in-betweenness between reality and fantasy that yeah don quixote has this feels very akin to that like some things seem very much so like they could be real and then other things you're like what like the clip just the cliffs of insanity the fact that they're named the cliffs of insanity you're like or rodents of unusual size like there's it's so silly yes which is so don quixote is so incredibly silly like
Speaker: There's so many aspects of it that you're like, obviously that can't be, but it is. Because it is. Yeah, and it's like it's a fairy tale, but it's also not.
Speaker: And I feel like the way Despero is also a fairy tale and so much a fantasy for Sean. Oh, yeah. And it's something he really... struggles with in a very Don Quixote way. Like, is he windmill or is he... He's a giant, yeah, who knows? And we may never know. Yeah, and it's... And for Sean, like, as someone who can...
Speaker: you know is so good at figuring out what things really are and it's so sure and like seems to have the world all figured out you know we've talked a lot about yeah too how like the show itself doesn't believe in psychics right like it doesn't believe in ghosts it doesn't believe in fantasy and so like despero is maybe the most like fantastical character within the show where you really can't pin him down, which is no like a frustrating experience for Sean.
Speaker: And like, almost like the show itself, like the show doesn't know what Despero is. Yeah, yeah. The show is questioning if he's real or if he's not real. Yeah, and you know, you mentioned...
Speaker: Like the, you know, the whole windmill and the giants thing. And I immediately think of Don Quixote and how he is essentially creating the story for himself as he goes, right? As he continues through with all these fanatical things that eventually becomes...
Speaker: reality to some degree. um And Despero feels very bad as well. At least I'm thinking the first episode where he is supposed to be like this master thief, but he's stolen nothing. It's an illusion. all an illusion. But because he quote unquote did it, but he is it.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Which is very, very
Speaker: They're also there. Oh, my gosh. Also very Princess Bride, right? Wesley is not actually I can't remember the pirate's name. The Dread Pirate Roberts. There you go. He's not actually the Dread Pirate Roberts. But because he is now in he's on the boat. He's in the getup. He becomes the Dread Pirate Roberts. Like it's.
Speaker: Yeah, that's so true. When you were... Okay, I have a question now. When you were reading the book, I mentioned before that I think... I don't... This was not where I was going with my prior statement that I then forgot. But when you read the book, if you recall, because I was forever ago, sophomore year of high school, did you... ah Okay, so one of my maybe qualms, if I were to have any qualms with the movie, was that when...
Speaker: the dread pirate Roberts comes out of the man in black comes out. um Immediately you're like, Oh, that's Wesley. You're like, Oh, so, so clearly that is who we met in the beginning.
Speaker: Did you feel that way in the book? Where at the end, were you like, my gosh, of course. How could I not see? I cannot remember. That's fair. It was forever ago. I can't remember how it's like how it's told, you know, if he's like written as the man in black or if you know it's Wesley.
Speaker: Oh, I see. I see. I feel like it's written as the man in black. And then I feel like the reveal that he's the dread pirate Roberts is also like later. but yeah, and it that is hard to I mean, it's such a classic thing of like classic movie thing or like like you know Cinderella it's like why don't you recognize right yes the Incredibles how did you just put the mask over your eyes yeah exactly it's just yeah I mean that's a very yeah familiar and and especially for Buttercup like
Speaker: It's like, I mean, I guess it has been, what, five years? So maybe yes memories are tricky things. For us, it's been five minutes. That's very um But yeah, like he has to say as you wish for her to right to put it together, which is funny that even that like makes her put it together after all of that. I feel like I was like, I thought it was funny that she was like, oh my God, that's Wesley. Yeah. Well, I wonder too if...
Speaker: you know,
Speaker: at a at a point in time in which, um you know, you can't really confirm or deny most things just because, you know, there's,
Speaker: Not many books and no internet and, you know, yeah things are passed through photographs. Right. You know, hearing that he died, I'm sure she was like, oh, gosh, he's dead.
Speaker: So sad. So even if this man popped up and she was like, oh, he has a passing resemblance to what I remember as Wesley, like... I'm sure she wasn't willing to believe it, but then to hear something that seems pretty intimate between the two of them that like maybe they've only said to each other, maybe that she's like, Oh, it's like a code. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know me. Yeah. Well, and it's, it's interesting to like, you're cause you're right. Like she is not expecting to come across Wesley. So like, she's not looking for him. But yeah,
Speaker: but it doesn't take her any time at all to be like, you're the dread pirate Roberts. Right. yeah Which is that interesting. Like, obviously she blames that, like the story that she knows is he killed Wesley. Right.
Speaker: So I wonder, maybe even just like that inkling that he is that person, maybe makes it even harder for her to see that it could be Wesley. Sure.
Speaker: And I do think that's more, It is more plausible for him to be the dread pirate Roberts that killed Wesley than him to be ah quote unquote resurrected Wesley. Yeah.
Speaker: Who suddenly has all these like wild skills. and Right. Yeah. least Like literally a farm boy. and Yeah. Like she has no reference for him being able to do any of this. Right. Right.
Speaker: So i I can see that tracking. I think that's fair. Well, we'll have to do a book club at some point where we read Don Quixote over the course of like a year and then we can read The Princess Bride. I know. It is. Don Quixote massive.
Speaker: But well worth it, I think. Yeah, um I didn't realize that it was an actual book, so I will have to read it. I will add it to my list for this year. Because it was a very...
Speaker: It was a fun story, I think. Yeah. And I was just... Some of the lines in there like are there. like But there's so many little turns of phrase that I just... They're like so understated and brilliant. like When they're going into the um this fire swamp.
Speaker: And she's like, we'll never survive. And he's like, you're just saying that because no one ever has. like There's so many little yeah things like that. like Some of my... favorite quotes ever from that book so um yeah i was gonna ask highly recommend if it's just as zany in the book because it is really quite zany in the in the movie oh and it's just like so clever like and also one of my like favorite things in writing is like understatement um and i was like good it's been a long time since i've read the book or watched the movie but um
Speaker: That part where i was like wondering when it comes up because they're one of my favorite lines, the narrator, Morgan Stern, is like um explaining that there's like some like tough stuff coming up.
Speaker: And. And he says some of the wrong people die. And it's so, I just feel like that is so powerful. Yeah. um And so just he, William Goldman, who wrote the novel and the screenplay.
Speaker: So not like he wasn't involved. And there's also like no shade to the movie at all. Because there there are things that you, that would be really hard to translate. or Like mainly being, you know, the movie, the setup of the movie is,
Speaker: sick kid grandpa telling him this story pretty straightforward but like in the book Like you see that kid as like an adult and he's got like oh marriage troubles and like he's jaded and like there's like just like so many more layers.
Speaker: um Interesting. Yeah. and And that's kind of what I miss is like his voice. um But it's just it's just different.
Speaker: um But yeah, William Goldman's style of writing, I just love. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I would have loved that that. So I knew nothing about the fact that you kind of see the boy grow up throughout the book. yeah I can't really remember like exactly how it is, but I know like you have his adult voice. Yeah.
Speaker: Like the story within a story is The Princess Bride. And then the the outer story is more from his perspective as like an adult and like remembering it, I think, like being told the story.
Speaker: See, that would have been been fun if they did a story within a story within a story. So if they did him as an adult telling his sick kid about his grandfather telling him the story when he was sick. Yeah, definitely a lot of, but again, like a lot of layers, which is again, like Don Quixote. And I remember reading Don Quixote and being like, I feel like it's like a sister story to the Princess Bride. Yeah, it sounds like.
Speaker: Yeah, but been a long time since I read either of those, so hopefully I'm not speaking totally out of my butt. but I feel like we must do it again. We must read them. know. That would be so fun.
Speaker: It could Physa6301. Text evidence. Yeah. Material sources. Physical sources.
Speaker: Yeah, whom whom else? Did we see anyone else fun in The Princess Bride? Yeah. Well, I do feel like it was star studded too. It was. Certainly. Mandy Patinkin as Inigo Montoya. I feel like I think of Inigo Montoya as like just his own thing. Like I don't even think of an actor being like playing that. Very specific. Yeah. um Like that is a very fun one.
Speaker: Christopher Guest. Oh, yes. Being Six Fingered Man. Yeah. yes so fun um Andre the Giant yeah yeah its like so good oh Billy Crystal wasn't it right Billy Crystal that was funny too I was like this as soon as he came on I'm like oh my god Billy Crystal and I feel like he was just like riffing. I think I actually it's saw somewhere that he literally was that they were like, here's the script, but do your thing.
Speaker: Yeah, it seemed very improvised. Yeah. Which was fun though, too. Because it It felt improvised, but it didn't feel necessarily out of place in the story. Because, again, the whole thing is a little like zany and clever and heightened.
Speaker: So it was fun to go into this very specific Magic Man's hut. And I loved Carol Kane, who plays his wife, who I feel like is also in A Million Things.
Speaker: um Not as recognizable. I mean, he is... voice, face, even under all of that. I was like, oh, oh that's Billy Crystal. Yeah, yeah. I know. manner. He really did try and camouflage Yeah. it not It's so funny because, like, that is a cameo. And, like, not every – like, you can't put, like, prosthetics and, like, such an involved costume on very many people and have it still be a cameo. But he is so – He is so distinctive. He can't hide. Yeah, yeah. It's
Speaker: Oh, yeah. And he was great. I mean, so funny. I could imagine, especially for um You say Carrie? For Carrie? I keep on calling Kelly, which I'm like, that's not right. ah For Carrie, lying on the table.
Speaker: Oh my gosh, yeah. I would have just been cracking up the entire time, like not able to keep a straight face with Billy Crystal being the maniac that he is. Yeah. yes he is In this getup too, I would have like, i can't take anything or anyone seriously right now. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I wonder if there are like bloopers anywhere for them. Oh my God, I bet there are. i bet they had a great time.
Speaker: I'm sure. i do feel... I would be remiss if I did not mention, but between us deciding we would watch this and watching it, yes tragically Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle died in like truly horrific circumstances. So yes shout out to him as the director of this movie.
Speaker: um But I did feel like it was nice to watch this and like be with him in that way. And yeah um and even like just like Billy Crystal being in there.
Speaker: Rob Reiner directed When Harry Met Sally and Billy Crystal is Harry. so I'm like, oh, I bet they were just, you know, great friends. yeah um And yeah, I feel like all those people were just like,
Speaker: probably just like having a great time yeah and i think those i we've said it before those are like our favorite our favorite things are just when people love something and enjoy it so much yeah enjoy the people that they're with they you know something beautiful is created from that psych is that way sherlock on bbc is that way princess bride is that i mean there's so many things yeah way but's yeah it's very special yeah when when everyone just seems to really enjoy themselves Yeah. And like thinking about like a movie like The Princess Bride that is so important to so many people.
Speaker: that i mean, what year did it come out? 87 or something? Because I feel like – yeah, 87. There you Oh, good pull. I remembered it because it was – when Harry Met Sally was 89. Oh,
Speaker: I think when I saw the date, I was like, oh, so a couple years later they did When Harry Met Sally. Yeah.
Speaker: But like people I went to school with grew up with that movie, which is so weird because we, you know, we were born like a decade later. So it's like it um it has such, such a legacy, such a contribution. hmm.
Speaker: Yeah, a it's a wonderful thing about art in whatever its format is. you know It contributes something to the world and means something different to different people, but it leaves a little piece of you out there in the world for people to constantly experience. I always think the same thing with Robin Williams like when we watched Good Will Hunting. Yeah.
Speaker: So sad, but you know he's still bringing laughs and joy and heartfelt memories to people even after his passing. Yeah. Yes, thank you, Rob Reiner and family for all your contributions, for adding a little bit of something to our lives.
Speaker: Yeah. And then to see like a show like Psych 20 years later reference yeah these things. like It is a version of immortality the way yeah totally to put something out and then like people keep iterating on it. and that's you know yeah It's beautiful about human endeavor.
Speaker: Yeah. it's like Have you seen Cocoa? No. Oh my gosh. I know. You have to see It's like a big. Yes. Especially for you. Just Pixar movies.
Speaker: you really have to. You need to center yourself. i yeah I understand. This is a very good watch. I would highly recommend. I would like to. you would love it. You would love it. Yeah. I will start to like my son is still young enough where like we try to put on movies and he's like this is scary. I don't want this.
Speaker: You know, you saying that, like, the the immortality of people through media reminds me very much of Coco. And I'll tell you a little piece of it without giving the whole thing away. But one of the things in the, like, afterlife in the story is that as long as someone remembers you, you remain in the afterlife. When you are no longer remembered, you no longer remain.
Speaker: So in this case, it is kind of just like you are... Oh, you are still alive in some kind. Like you are still contributing to the world in some way. It it really is kind of immortality um like we see in Coco, which I think is is really beautiful.
Speaker: Great movie. I highly recommend you. You will cry. But even hearing that, I'm like, oh, boy. I know. No, you will cry. Existential. Like, they're just they're so much. They're so good. The Pixar movies. They're so good. Like, storytelling. I really, we could have a whole conversation about um just Pixar alone. You know. I know. You pixar are a dedicated Pixar. I am.
Speaker: I am. I just love, I love the art of animation. i think there's something so beautiful in animation, whether that's drawn animation or or CG animation. And I think Pixar in and of themselves are such amazing storytellers. They just, they know how to hit at the heartstrings. They, yeah, they, they're really just been amazing and fantastic. love the,
Speaker: i love the um I love like the origin story of of Pixar too. I think it's, it's beautiful. um There's a really wonderful story by um not story. It's a real life.
Speaker: Ed Catmull, was one of the the men who founded Pixar. It's called creativity Inc. And it's all about how Pixar goes from like this computer company, essentially like this rendering company into a filmmaking company that designs, you know, 3d CG animated things.
Speaker: ah movies and how that has now evolved over time from being relatively rudimentary and in the case of Toy Story to literally millions of strands of hair on Merida and Brave and and all this really cool stuff. so yeah I love Pixar. I could talk about them for a while.
Speaker: I don't know if I've We've talked, I feel like we've talked a little bit maybe about this on the podcast. that i don't know if I've told this story, but I tell this story all the time in my real life. But I will never forget when I went to your house for Thanksgiving. Oh my God. i yeah And we watched Inside Out. And just all of us like...
Speaker: sitting separately across this big couch and like quietly weeping to ourselves yes yes and i didn't know and like your family at all and we're just like crying also didn't know we were getting into it inside out inside out was like a brand new movie at the time yeah And it seemed like cute and exciting. We're all sitting on the couch. I think it was it must have been a holiday break or something. was Thanksgiving. There you go. Thanksgiving. And yeah, we were all just crying.
Speaker: but but Just in silence. Yeah. Yes. But they I mean, a lot of them, though, have that. effect yes definitely of that power yeah yes definitely have that power and coco definitely does coco is like yeah i mean i it sounds appealing i would really like to see it but i'm also like i need to be emotionally prepared yes yes you need to not that i maybe i never will be um maybe one maybe next uh
Speaker: Spooky season. Solstice time. Yes. Not solstice. Equinox. Equinox time. Yes. We can watch it. It is a very like fall. Yeah. Fall kind of movie.
Speaker: I feel like, too, like because we were watching two movies, it was like to get myself to be like, okay, I have to watch these two movies. Yes. It's like, that's a lot of homework. It is a lot of homework, yes. Although they were very m accessible.
Speaker: They were not yeah yeah not as we were... was it while we were recording but like she's all that perfect 90 minutes yes i don't think princess yeah bride was that much longer either um just yeah two lovely viewings they were really great They were nice.
Speaker: I think I want to say i watched the prince yeah i did I watched The Princess Bride like after a day of work, sitting on my couch. I put the apartment in movie theater mode. So all the lights were off. Nice. And it was just a very nice like end to the day. Yeah. Not too long. Not too like not too much of a thinker, if you know what I mean. But just enough where I was like, oh man, I love this, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, it was it was nice. And so nostalgic. Both of them, just like the look of them. Oh. Just like yummy film. Something else I wanted to add now that we're discussing. Okay. You were talking a couple of, actually, I don't even know when it was now because time is a construct, but we were talking on one of the episodes about how like movies don't look the same anymore. And you were saying how there's like a particular reason for that.
Speaker: I don't remember what the reason was because I have a horrible memory, but yeah, princess bride i was like this i was like this is what i want i was like i was thinking about that too yeah yeah i don't think we were recording when we were having that conversation but i think we were talking about like a tiktok that i had seen or this like film uh person aficionado was talking about how like the standard more recently has been to film in
Speaker: I forget what they call it, but like with like focus on like the subject. Whereas in older movies, it was more common to have the entire frame and focus, which is more like what the human eye does. Yes.
Speaker: and And I was thinking the same thing, particularly like when Wesley and Inigo are doing their sword fight and they've got this like big set behind them and stuff and it's like everything is alive yes just like so beautiful and then you get to kind of determine like what you want to pay attention i think there was ah a scene i don't remember exactly who it was but i want to say someone was like on horseback and they were riding across and there was like a field and a tree and a river and a bridge and i was like ah was like i'm gonna look at the water right now because it's babbling in the brook like it just looks so nice you know i want to see the wind through the trees like yes this person's important they're riding on the horse beautiful but
Speaker: the whole scene adds so much more to it and i feel the same in the the fencing sword fight bit it's like this kind of craggy rock you know destroyed outpost it makes it feel different than if i was just looking at them you know yeah and it like it feels like a real set you know like they're not it's not like obviously like digitally altered or anything And like the softness of film, like everybody looks so much better, but like in like a normal way, know, like with, like every, with like people being in like high definition and you can see like how they like the Botox and stuff. Their faces don't move. And then they're like, and they're just like too done. Yes.
Speaker: Like I get tired of watching that. Yeah. I agree. Well, and I i i think too, for as for as much of what cinema is, this sentence makes no sense. For as much as the fact that what cinema is, is not the actual human experience, if that makes sense. Sure.
Speaker: It still needs, I feel like it still needs to be slightly. Like I'm, I, the likelihood of me being this close to someone's face is very not likely but so then when i'm that close to their face and it's in high definition like that is just not what i would experience so when there is that little bit of like grit or like know fuzzy like that it makes it feel more like something ah real and that's what i want i want reality yeah yeah it was like a different kind of fake yeah
Speaker: Yeah. i Yeah. I don't know. I have an issue right now with everyone looking exactly the same. and I want like the character of faces back. You know, i want people to look different. And also hair.
Speaker: Hair. Everybody's hair. I have not noticed hair, but now that you're saying that. Everybody's hair is nice and done. And just, and like the makeup is like, and and I feel like maybe it's,
Speaker: extra like Maybe they had always done this, you know, like obviously there's always been hair and makeup, but but like when it's in that kind of definition, it's like, right you can see it all.
Speaker: and yeah And that's what I think we've talked about wigs before. make like i struggle with the wigs sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like they look so weird.
Speaker: And like, you can just tell that they're it like, it's hard to like suspend my disbelief um when everything's in such harsh focus. Right. Right. Yeah. They probably play, but like, I'm sure they have always been using wigs. But right. When things were less defined and less crisp, picking them out was a little bit harder than now where it's like, oh, I can,
Speaker: I can see the lace on, you know, the front of this person's wig. Yeah. It's just like blocky and artificial and weird looking. Yeah. Everybody, everybody's just too done up. Like I, I did like, like even like, like looking at like Lainey in she's all that. And like the costume design there, yes like the layers and the so cute patterns and like, yeah And her hair being like, you know, obviously they're trying to present her as like not as put together as the other girls.
Speaker: um But there's like a groundedness to a character like that and like a look like that. And I just appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker: And I think even like, even the girls that were supposed to be more, quote unquote, more put together and She's All That.
Speaker: they still looked like people. Like they still had a ah style and yes, their hair was done, but like, was it the perfectly coiffed thing at every moment? No. Like they went to the beach. Like perfect blowout. Right. It's a wig. It looks right the same.
Speaker: Yeah. And I think there's, ah I think there's a time and place for that. h When that is the only thing that we're exposed to, it just feels wrong. It feels odd. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. And all those settings were so rich. like yes Like the little boy's bedroom, all the stuff in there. yes um Like the basement that she's in, the way the dad can pick up like the pool filter. like that And I guess that also might be a bit like what is actually there. And also, again, that focus thing where like we can see everything. We can see all of that texture. Yes. And it just feels so much more real.
Speaker: And i I wonder from like an an actor perspective to what that does for them, because so much I feel like so much of today is digitized or blue screen or green screen or whatever the terminology is.
Speaker: And you're not actually interacting with like things that are around you and you're not actually seeing exactly what it's going to look like. I imagine that has to impact the performance in some way.
Speaker: hmm. You know, when in comparison, when you're, you know, on a set with, yeah, in a dark basement with studio and with pool filter equipment and this big staircase going upstairs, like, yeah, you feel, I imagine you must feel more, more grounded in the character, if you will.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm sure is different. Like, I don't think I could do that. Like, I think about my job talking to humans every day. i can't imagine.
Speaker: like kit oh yeah There has to be one at least per episode. I can't imagine like standing in front of the room and pretending like there's children in front of me to teach them like that. I tried to do that on Zoom. That was the worst thing in the world. did not work. Definitely a unique skill. And I guess, I mean, again, like you said, there's a time and place, you know, like if it's, there may be lot of reasons or, um,
Speaker: oh sure things that can't be achieved sure but it's but it's like letting everything have a place like just because we can yeah do cgi everything we don't have to every time yeah but i always think of like the and i don't i don't know i feel like a lot of like network shows like even with psych like the sets that they're on like They just feel homey and there's like all this crap around. And I feel like a lot of times I see, i mean, just like commercials for like shows that are on now and they just feel very like empty.
Speaker: whom Yeah. And very sterile. Yeah. Sterile is a great word for it. And I don't, I don't know what that is, but it seems common.
Speaker: I feel like that.
Speaker: I was watching someone talk the other day about like homes. and I was just thinking homes too. Yeah, go on. And them wanting, you know, people to bring back like character into homes and stop making them like these white boxes that are just, you know, bland, banal things that have, yeah, no no crap around, which let's be real, every house has crap around. Like stuff on the walls and stuff on, you know, on the mantelpieces and on top of things and everything.
Speaker: Yeah, just as I was saying that, I was thinking like maybe it's not all TV and films fault, you know, because there is a sensibility. Like the taste in our time is very like minimalist, modern, neutrals, that kind of stuff, which is like just so boring. So boring. I agree. Did you see not too long ago like Cracker Barrel?
Speaker: Oh, I did hear about this. Share like a rebrand thing. Yes, one of my kids was telling me this. Yeah, and I i saw like ah a comment on one of the things about that and it was just like turning a home into a house. Yes. And like that's exactly what it is. Like it' that lack of character and depth.
Speaker: And it's like i don't I don't know who is into that. Like who is looking for that? don't know. I don't know. I don't know where it comes from. yeah And I, wonder, I blame so much on social media. I really do. And I think it's the bane of everyone's existence. Like, I wonder if it's just the more that you see people like that or people doing that, the more that you believe that's what it's supposed to be or what it's supposed to look like. And I think when there was, you know, a time where your exposure to things like houses was literally going over your friends' legitimate lived-in house. Yeah.
Speaker: Where they're like three siblings and someone's cooking dinner and someone's running in from work and there's soccer balls on the ground. Like, that is a house. But when you go online and you see someone whose job is to make a pretty picture that is going to look very different than a, you know, quote unquote, regular ordinary person's lived in everyday house.
Speaker: So I wonder if maybe that's not it. I don't. Yeah. It's hard to say. I also feel like there's so much nostalgia for the nineties right now. Like what we're talking about, like those rooms and stuff like that.
Speaker: seems like people that's in. So it's like, I don't know why we're not seeing that or why we're like, Trying to be more polished.
Speaker: I mean, I guess there's different tastes, but it's also so hard to know, like, what is... what the general public thinks. I feel like I'm in like a bubble. Of course, yeah. Where everybody thinks what I think, so. Well, I mean, but that that is also that is all social social media, right? I was just talking about this today with the kids. Like the algorithm is designed to keep you in the spot, in the mindset, in the opinion that you currently have that because that'll keep you watching more, right?
Speaker: But I wonder too, like the thing that just popped in my head is, you know, part of the, you know, I think about my room when I was a kid. Part of like all my shit was the fact that not everything could fit into, you know, five by three frame. So if I wanted to. Sky is holding up her phone. Yes, I am. If I wanted to listen to music, like I either needed. That's true. Physical media. Right. My boom box with a CD or I needed, you know, eventually what turned into an iPod. If I wanted to take a picture, I needed a camera. If I wanted to play music, you know, I needed my piano and needed my guitar. And if I wanted to take notes, I needed a book. And all of that just is more things. Where now everything condenses right into your phone, which in and of itself, yeah, makes things more minimalistic.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true. things are fun. Yeah. I know. I've always been a bit of a pack rat. Yeah. Well, I think... um there's a sentimentality with things.
Speaker: You know, like there's a memory attached to really the two or three or four or five or ten times that you you know dealt with something. Yeah, like going into Sean's room and how it's like...
Speaker: how he left it you know yeah and lining up his vinyls and his comic books you know like that see I can't remember what it is he finds but when he's on the phone with Gus and he's like dude this is a yeah like a brand new Shrinky Dink whatever he finds like right and and I think especially because with Yeah, physical media, it's so specific, like a shrinky dink.
Speaker: You say shrinky dink, and I go immediately back to being in my childhood best friend's house in her kitchen with ah you know pan in front of us, like a sheet pan in front of us, cutting out and coloring our shrinky dinks. like That's so specific.
Speaker: Would I ever think of something specific like that if I saw you know if i didn't see shrinky dink in front of No. But I feel the same way with, like, you know, a phone because we use these for so many purposes. There's so much attachment to it, but also – don't want to say less of a attachment to it but less of a specific attachment to if that makes sense.
Speaker: Well, it is weird to think about. Like, sometimes I catch myself, like, picking up my phone, like, first thing in the morning or whatever, and I'm like, what did people – do before this and it hasn't even been that long like we within our lifetime that was not a part of yes your daily routine yeah and it is weird to like just how quickly it could take over everything um like so much of your time and stuff but yeah I do feel like
Speaker: if You've been off Instagram for like a quite some time. I feel like I'm now like fully off. It's like unusable. I go on there. like i went on there around New Year's because like, oh, maybe people posted like their dumps of the year whatever. see what my friends are up to i'm like i don't even see anybody I know. It's all just like ads and suggested posts. and like I'm just like, this is like not fun. colon so yeah Things are becoming like more and more unusable.
Speaker: but yeah But maybe we we need to reach that point so we can be... Yeah. Like, just get to such an extreme that we can level back out. Yeah, and i do I do think it's sad that something that was initially designed for connection is now completely devoid of such things. Yeah. That's sad Well, and more and more with, like, AI, like, and how they're pushing that to be, like, a replacement for...
Speaker: your friends they're like really well i mean like if you see like commercials for different ai things it's like oh you need a a good recipe for i see what you're saying yeah yeah yeah uh a date or whatever and it's like i saw some like commentary about that like a post about how like Maybe five years ago, you could have had the same commercial, but it would have been about FaceTime and like calling your mom and asking for advice or like trying to fix the barbecue. and like Now you can talk to people, but now it's like, oh, just ask.
Speaker: right gpt or whatever like and now you don't have to talk to anybody so it's just like an interesting so trying to outsource like every kind of human connection with to to these bots i don't know i don't know where we're going i know it's like god i just i always wonder like i always worry so much about you know, our kids.
Speaker: And as a teacher, I feel like yeah that my, my entire life is just thinking about our kids. So it, for me, a lot of things come back to the children. Totally. But I worry like I, you know, have, have you read the, but there's this book, I don't remember who it's by. Let me look at it. Um, there's this book called the anxious generation. i highly recommend,
Speaker: ah Which is all about essentially how it is by Jonathan Haidt. H-A-I-D-T. Okay.
Speaker: And it looks at the rising anxiety and depression rates in children children. essentially correlates it to a rise in social media and internet usage and you know i think to myself well what is it about social media and internet usage that is so different from you know what humans are supposed to be doing and i really just think it's That one-to-one human connection. Like so much of the human experience is anxiety. I mean, that is like a normal human function.
Speaker: But a lot of anxiety gets quelled when you discuss your concerns and your fears with others. And they say, that's something totally normal. Mm-hmm. I experienced that as a kid too. Like, don't worry, you know, you know, um yeah, that, that best friend of yours just said something mean to you. I'm so sorry. That is so horrible. How are we going to figure this out together? It makes you feel less alone in the world and social media and the internet. This is now my own synthesis. If you didn't catch that on social media and the internet, it is, it's not a replacement for that. It's attempting to be a substitute.
Speaker: But it doesn't completely hit the mark. And what kids end up, I find, what kids end up finding is just more anxiety-inducing things to add on to the things that they're already so concerned about.
Speaker: So it worries me, something like ai Instead of, you know, like you said, reaching out to a friend, reaching out to a parent, reaching out to a sibling and being like, here's a genuine concern I have.
Speaker: And just going online and typing in like, hey, chat, um I have this really weird cough. Is this something that I should be concerned about? And chat GBT being like, no, don't be concerned. Like, I'm sorry, what? like that Go, you know, talk to someone who has the lived experience and maybe that will actually quell your anxieties.
Speaker: more yeah well and it I mean it's also weird because it just like is regurgitating like the internet so it's like like yeah that's what it's doing like you like that example of like oh I have a cough it's like We could Google that. I don't i don't understand like why it's so much more like what's so great about it. What's so cool? it's like a Is the person isn it?
Speaker: I don't know. yeah i think that's how they're marketing it. at least yeah like My work has this like mental health benefit. It's like an app and it can connect you with like therapists and coaches and stuff. oh that awesome The intake though recently has changed to an AI platform.
Speaker: Oh, cha what? No. I mean, it's just like, ask I guess it's like supposed to make it, I don't know. Well, I don't know what it is, but it just is like i'm asking you questions, like as you could fill in a form, but it is so uncomfortable. Like, it's like, you know, like, what are you dealing with? And then like, if you say like, oh, um you know, I'm having anxiety or whatever, it's like, oh, I understand. that I'm like, you are a robot. You don't understand anything.
Speaker: And it's like, it's it's so creepy and weird. And I'm like, why? Like, even if, you know, you want to have this chat bot to collect information, it's like, okay, but like, why? Then why does it also have to like have, be like pretending to be a person with yes with its own feelings? Like, it's just like so weird. Yeah. I don't like it.
Speaker: I'm really a firm believer in the superhuman mind of an actual human. We can just do so many like amazing, beautiful, interesting, cool things.
Speaker: need to outsource it to it yeah and it's just like depressing like why would you like to use it to like write you a story it's like the pleasure is writing that story like don't or making that picture or whatever even if you can't do it like from the start like learning how and like practicing that is like what else are we doing here i know one maybe that is maybe that is the question maybe that is the new question what are we doing here? If now we're not, you know. lots of sci-fi stories are brewing. Yeah, you're definitely, you're right there. About about that, exactly. hey
Speaker: But yeah, I feel like, i don't know, like five years ago, like before all the ai stuff, I was like, God, it I would not want to be in high school right now. Like, just social media, like,
Speaker: I mean, we were talking earlier and she's all that about like just how cruel kids can be. And then you give them phones and the internet and it's like... And anonymity. Yes. Anonymity. it Like they can be even more ruthless. Yeah. And a lot of what they might put out there, you know, is going to stay.
Speaker: Yeah. It's like, that just sounds horrible. I can't imagine. and now it's just, Like now there's just more stuff.
Speaker: yeah It just changes so fast. So, yeah, i don't know. It's rough out there. I know. i want to go back to the day. the I saw them pull out the pagers and she's all that. And I'm like, pagers, back the pagers. I want to go back to the day where the only way we com communicatee can communicate is in like...
Speaker: Ten word blips. That's it. No more. Yeah. Send a mass message. Yeah. different Different times. I mean, i you know, I also wonder too sometimes it always feels like people are nostalgic for, you know, the time when they grew up.
Speaker: And... I do think that there's some there is also something beautiful about progress. And I think we we're you know a species that always wants to continue to make progress. But I feel like where we're at is just becoming so detrimental to people's lives. they worry It worries me. Yeah. Well, i feel like it's like what we were just saying about like CGI. like There's a time and a place. like Just because we can it doesn't mean it has to do everything. Right. like There are great use cases for AI.
Speaker: like I don't know, there's cool stories about like cancer research and stuff. like It doing like actual like like useful things, but it's like like it doesn't need to be everywhere. Right. Just like we were saying, with like you mentioned CG, right? it It takes away some of the humanness. It takes away some of the reality. like It starts to just become fake.
Speaker: Fake people, fake environments, that doesn't feel quite the same yeah to the point of being hard to even just like buy into because like obviously like yeah you know that's part of being told a story like you can go to the theater and obviously like you're not looking at they're not actually where they are like right but it's like it's a it's just a different thing and and like it ah lot Like the gaps that may exist like allows your brain to like fill that in and stuff. Right. And I feel like the the difference –
Speaker: One is overt and one's covert, like lying. Right. that A theater is going, we are pretend. We are make believe. And then CGI or not CGI. um AI is like, I'm you think I'm a human. I got feelings like, no you don't. Shut up. Yeah. i just I could not get over how creepy that was. That is really creepy. That makes me super uncomfortable. Yeah. it's like, it's just like, why? Like, it just doesn't need to even do that. Correct.
Speaker: Like, to yeah, to make us think there's a human on the other side? Like, no. and And it's funny because, like, you're talking to one of these things and and it's being weird. And at the bottom it says, ai answers may be incorrect or something like there's like a And it's like, why what? Yeah.
Speaker: what is the point of any of this like just give me a form you could have written it like i don't this didn't add anything to my experience no no in fact it weirded me out yeah detracted from the overall experience yeah i don't know but go back to a time where we just like people were just people man like I just hope it levels out. I mean, obviously, like, hope so you know, there's no, like, perfect era. Like, obviously, there were no terrible point things happening. Always. There have been.
Speaker: um But, yeah, like, this is too much. Yeah. yes uh yeah don't know we just ranted for half an hour did that's okay yeah i mean it's relevant yeah yeah it'll be interesting to see i'm i wonder like what high school movies are coming out these days because remember another like a high school rom-com that i really enjoy that's
Speaker: Like 2015 is The Duff, which is actually quite similar to She's All That. i think Yeah, I think I've seen that movie. um And I feel like watching that movie is one of the things that makes me be like, oh, God, I would not want to be a teenager right now, which is now that was like 10 years ago, I think.
Speaker: i could I mean, they've still got like, not flip phones, but like pre iPhones. yeah um But they're like, you know, filming each other and cyber bully. Like that's like that's kind of part of it. And I wonder like what a high school movie like those because those elements but do come up.
Speaker: It'll be interesting to see. Yeah. Like if you set a movie like this today. hmm. I mean, they they may have never even connected because or like say the Duff maybe is like a better example because she in that movie, she asks him to help her. um But she could just, you know, put that in chat GPT and she could never.
Speaker: very true. Just never would have connected. Yes. AI has come up so quickly. that's true. It has been pushed.
Speaker: Yes. Like the last two years. Or even like the last six months, I feel like it's gone crazy. Yeah. um So... Yeah, I don't know. And I also don't know, like, are the kids using it? I think i think they yeah are, unfortunately. Yes. Yeah, I guess you would know. It's bad. Yeah. Sometimes I walk around my room and they use it for things that I'm like, you you could you could figure that out in three seconds if you just, like, took a pause and thought about it.
Speaker: Not even like you'd have to research it, like, just take a pause, like, use some critical thinking skills. you That's what was so scary. Like yes just outsourcing thinking. Yes. yeah Like you were going your brain is going to die.
Speaker: I know. It's so sad. I literally, I just had a conversation with them today about how like school, as much as they, you know, complain about going to school and I get it. You're being forced to go somewhere that you, it's going to force you to do work for eight hours a day straight. We don't even ask adults to really do that.
Speaker: Kind of life. No, I know. Well, I so you know i said to them, I was like, this is really, this is a really important thing. Like being in a space where differences of opinion are brought to you and you get to mull it over and think it through and talk to someone about it and come to a conclusion and change your mind. Like those important.
Speaker: important things. And especially now when they're not interacting with each other in that way, like play, playtime, quote unquote, if you will, um is not happening to the same degree as it used to. Kids are not Getting the opportunity to work through social situations in the same way that they did 10, 20, in our case, 30 almost years ago. Right.
Speaker: So something like school is even more important than it's ever been because this is like the only social interaction in that way that they're getting it anymore. Right.
Speaker: And for them to go, right, go and start outsourcing it to AI, I'm like, guys, cut it out. Stop. You need to be able to use your brain at least a tiny bit. Like, it is good for you. Yeah.
Speaker: And that does make me think, like, what, where does that leave you? Like, what you're just saying, like, what, so what is it, what are we doing here? Like, if we're not doing anything, and AI can do everything else, what are we even doing?
Speaker: I know. Yeah, so that's the Princess Pride and she's all that. What are we watching next? We're going even further back in time.
Speaker: I love it. My Man Godfrey, if I remember correctly. Yes, you're right. My Man Godfrey. Oh, yeah. Look. 1936. I like that our um our time estimate on this was the 9th of December for these rom-com movies. Oh, gosh.
Speaker: It did not happen. Oh, too much. Oh, wow. My Man Godfrey. Would you say it was nineteen thirty s Yeah, 1936. Intrigue. Okay.
Speaker: Yeah, and we picked this because it's a screwball, and its poster was up at the movie theater during the Yang confrontation, yeah believe. And Timothy O. Munson talked about it being one of his favorites or something on the podcast. Something like that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: And they were talking about how, like, Steve Franks was – consider this a screwball comedy, so it just seemed like the right next thing. Last time we watched, like, one of the original screwball comedy. some some say the original. Yeah.
Speaker: It happened one night, which was 1934. So this is two years later. Okay, so same same vein. Critically acclaimed, nominated for six Oscars. Oh, wow.
Speaker: Remade in 1957. h oh that doesn't seem that much later yeah be a remake. Yeah, so that'll be next. I'm mix excited. I really enjoy i enjoy this whole series that we've been doing of you know watching popular media. I really enjoy when we watch the the like super throwbacks. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, there's something very homey about in the early 1900s movies, but there is also so much that I feel like gets referenced like of them in the future that it's fun to get to see almost like the quote-unquote original source material, if you will. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: I'm hoping it's on Tubi. it's like my new thing. I'm probably a good friend Tubi. It looks like it is. Yes! If you want join us back here next time, we'd be happy to have you We love discussing all of our media takes and analyses, and we hope to do it with you next time. So join us back here where we'll talk about my man, Gottfried, and any of the connections that we find to the famed TV show, Psych!
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