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Nate Day: Welcome to Adaptation, the book to movie podcast. I'm Nate.
Chris: And I'm Chris.
Nate Day: And today we have three gentlemen to talk about one of the greatest female authors in the history of literature.
Nate Day: We have our buddy Tucker. Hey Tucker, how you doing?
Tucker: Doing well. Glad to be here. Glad to add another white male perspective to this conversation.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Nate Day: yeah Right. That's exactly. what we need and in fact
Chris: It's what was missing.
Nate Day: Made our first faux pas already by calling us gentlemen and Jane Austen a female. So going to bite my tongue for that one.
Chris: Oh no, it's downhill from here.
Nate Day: And. Yeah, so... That's some good level setting right there, I think. But. Tucker, tell us a little bit about...
Nate Day: How you know Chris. why you were excited to talk about Jane Austen. etc.
Tucker: Sure. Yeah, I've known Chris.
Chris: Oh my.
Tucker: Sneaking up on 20 years.
Chris: Gotta be.
Tucker: long long time we went to high school together we played in bands together in college We. have been in book clubs together. his bass lived in this room that i'm in for a year when he lived in china
Tucker: We've been around together. and No one. loves Masterpiece Theater as much as I do. on PBS.
Nate Day: Cool.
Chris: 100%.
Tucker: I'm an absolute sucker for it.
Chris: Correct.
Tucker: i just It's just charming and lovely. And. It has produced some really good. Jane Austen adaptations. And.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: I'm. Also, you know, I'm a big reader, so I've i've read. Ooh. four of her six and i've seen movies for the other two
Tucker: And I've watched... Other shows other media about her and from her I'm a big fan. I think she's great. her writing was Fabulous. End.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: and it's you know, it has very much held up. It feels still very modern when you read these stories, you see them told. visually, any any way it's They really do hold up.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Hell yeah.
Nate Day: Chris do you agree?
Chris: Yeah, 100%. I actually, I totally forgot that that would obviously be the first question we asked him. And for some reason it like... Gonged in my brain. I think when we were scheduling recording time like a week ago i was like yeah finally getting Tucker i mean what i think we planned this like nine months ago
Tucker: Ish, yeah
Nate Day: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: And for some reason, nowhere in those nine months until... this last week. uh I was like Why of all the possibilities?
Chris: Was this the one? that Tucker requested. And so that's that's so funny.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: I actually completely forgot about your... nigh obsession with uh that delightful PBS Broadcasting.
Tucker: It's just so nice. And like... It's brought so many Good actors. Into prominence like Josh O 'Connor. I first saw on Durrells in Corfu.
Chris: Mm.
Tucker: And like. He might be the next James Bond. he was a Excellent. He was in Emma. in the 2020 version of it.
Nate Day: Yep.
Tucker: and was great and silly and Fabulous. and
Nate Day: So funny. He's so good in that movie.
Tucker: Yeah.
Chris: Oh yeah.
Tucker: He's great.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: I did more more to my point as my history with Tucker. He's probably the book friend of mine. that I've discussed.
Chris: truly classic literature with.
Nate Day: Okay. Cool.
Chris: The most does that sound fair?
Tucker: Sure. Yeah, like you and I read Anna Karenina at the same time.
Chris: Yep.
Chris: Yep.
Tucker: We did Lonesome Dove.
Chris: Yup.
Tucker: together for that book club. We've overlapped a lot.
Nate Day: Wow, some big ones.
Tucker: Yeah.
Chris: Well, and and i've got I have many, many bookish friends. that are kind of all across the board, but pretty uniformly one thing to my frustration that none of them have been on board with, any book clubs or any just other friends that I swap recs with.
Chris: none of them particularly are interested in the classics,
Chris: They're interested in current modern sci -fi, fantasy, whatever. And so time and time again, if I want to go back to these hardcore classics.
Chris: The person I'm going to go chat up is Tucker. And so it.
Nate Day: Tucker's the guy.
Chris: It made sense to me. This felt like the correct episode.
Nate Day: Yeah. Great. Well, I'm Excited to hear what you have to say before we dive in, though. What have you been reading and and watching recently, Tucker?
Tucker: Well... we were just talking about i just got back from copenhagen so while i was there i read a
Nate Day: Yep.
Tucker: I just. found at the library i checked the catalog for something that was set in copenhagen and i found a
Nate Day: Perfect.
Tucker: Bye. crime thriller. That was set in 2007, released.
Chris: Heck yeah.
Tucker: then. And it's really good. is You know, I... I think it's really funny the... Like. Scandinavian crime thriller genre. does not fit with the reality of Scandinavia.
Tucker: like if you just read books you think just people are getting killed all the time It's a really dangerous place, but it's...
Tucker: It's not. So that's that was Ahut, and I'll probably read more in that series. I'm also on book three of Dungeon Crawler Carl, which is...
Chris: Yes!
Tucker: arrived.
Nate Day: I just had another friend uh recommend those to me too
Tucker: Yeah.
Chris: So literature role -playing games.
Nate Day: Okay, I'm gonna Google that. Oh, okay.
Chris: Yeah, far I agree with Tucker. Far more video gamey than... I mean, there are aspects if you've played and enjoyed D and &D.
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: you will see them in that light but you it's not a barrier to entry by any means
Nate Day: Okay. Well, I'll add it to my TBR then.
Tucker: It's also very silly.
Chris: I mean...
Tucker: and enjoyable.
Chris: Yes, yes.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: And.
Nate Day: Yeah, that's right.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: here
Tucker: It's a good time.
Nate Day: Good.
Chris: I've never I mean, you're not you're not like. A friend of mine, for some reason I circled your face with my mouse as I referred to you. That was silly. No one else can see that. You're not a friend that's ever been like...
Chris: deeply hog wild about video games.
Tucker: No.
Chris: And i so I still would imagine.
Chris: you get a nice tickle out of those books.
Tucker: Yeah, I still understand it. Like, I've played enough video games to... Get.
Chris: Mm hmm.
Tucker: you know, leveling a character and and whatever.
Chris: Mm hmm.
Tucker: and that And the jokes. but it's Yeah, it's not like... Ready Player One. that has very specific references and very specific like 1983 -isms.
Chris: No.
Nate Day: oh Okay. Yeah.
Chris: Yep.
Tucker: it's It's much more just...
Nate Day: Okay.
Tucker: Yeah, it's It's just a good time.
Nate Day: Great. Well. I think you just won me over I think I'll have to.
Nate Day: Check it out.
Chris: Did you watch any movies over there, Tucker?
Nate Day: at
Tucker: On the plane, I watched... Ocean's Eleven. Which I just...
Chris: Hell yeah.
Tucker: Always enjoy.
Nate Day: Great choice.
Chris: Classic.
Tucker: And I watched...
Nate Day: Yep.
Tucker: Before sunrise. which
Nate Day: Great choice.
Tucker: Yeah, I also I wish I had watched that when I was 20.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: I think every.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: 20 year olds should watch it.
Nate Day: I do too.
Tucker: Oh, and I finally watched The Mandalorian. movie on the plane too.
Chris: Hell yeah.
Nate Day: Oh.
Tucker: This is really...
Chris: What?
Nate Day: That's it. That's also a choice.
Tucker: Yeah, it was a really entertaining plane ride.
Chris: that's That's a crazy cocktail of cinema.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Nate Day: respond to texts and do whatever I was doing. while it played, I was like, okay, that... Now I get it.
Tucker: Yeah, it it very much felt to me like it was
Chris: Interesting.
Tucker: Psst. three. three episode blocks of a TV show that were all squished into a movie.
Nate Day: Yeah. Squished.
Tucker: which I think is what it was.
Chris: Hmm.
Nate Day: Yep.
Nate Day: I'm sure.
Tucker: but
Tucker: That's fine.
Nate Day: Yeah. How about you, Chris? What have you been reading?
Chris: Well, I started again, a lot of lead time from when we planned and scheduled this to this episode.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: And then in true fashion. got worried about reading them too far out and forgetting stuff. So I waited and then tried to scramble this last week. So I shoved in
Chris: about 70 percent of emma over the last week.
Nate Day: Wow.
Chris: I don't. I don't know that I've finished anything else but another couple of Naruto's since... We last recorded My reading time's been all wonky because I've had...
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: a lot of gigs so i've been listening to a lot of music on the way to stuff no i forgot i did finally finish
Nate Day: Gigs, yeah.
Chris: hero of ages the number three in the brandon sanderson Mistborn series.
Nate Day: Oh great. I think maybe you mentioned... That you were reading it.
Chris: I think I was almost done with it last episode. I mean, they're they' are honkers. These things are freaking...
Nate Day: Right.
Chris: This was... 572 pages, so they they take some time.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: I've been watching movies. I went and saw Verity.
Nate Day: You did? What did you think?
Chris: And.
Nate Day: Oh, yeah, Blair. Blair texted me.
Chris: Nate, I told you about this and I've told a number of other people because I'm like. mostly just convincing myself at this point but tucker i am just waiting to hear your ridicule.
Chris: I turn to Blair. Not even at the end, probably three quarters of the way through Verity. I've got a buddy out here that was on the podcast a few weeks ago, Josh.
Chris: and he just got this big really bold like american traditional Virgin Mary tattoo. And I turned to Blair. not not even done with Verity. And I was like.
Chris: Alright. See the vision. Virgin Mary tattoo, but it's Anne Hathaway's face. She was like...
Nate Day: Did she like the idea?
Chris: Okay, hon. i mean she's she's right on the verge of too supportive like i don't think she would allow me to actively walk into traffic but She...
Nate Day: Right.
Chris: She did not shoot it down immediately.
Nate Day: Well, that's good
Tucker: i'm I'm fully on board.
Chris: I think this might be happening
Nate Day: Good.
Nate Day: I saw the Elizabeth Holmes documentary. You can see everything. Have you guys been hearing about this?
Chris: With a...
Tucker: Only good things.
Chris: With Awkward Boy?
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yeah. Yes, with Nathan Fielder.
Chris: Yes!
Nate Day: Yeah. That. is... Mind -blowing. It is... bizarre and beautiful and amazing movie. I can't. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Crazy that lady is.
Chris: Is it exactly as strange as it looks?
Nate Day: Yeah, I...
Chris: Hell yeah.
Nate Day: I would recommend you wait until you can watch it like at the comfort of your own home because you will want to crawl out of your skin.
Chris: Full lights lots of pausing lots of leaving the room
Nate Day: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yep.
Tucker: I can see Chris watching this movie and he'll be standing up a lot.
Nate Day: I think.
Chris: A lot.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Just knowing knowing how he is
Chris: like pacing over here yep
Nate Day: And it's a three hour movie too.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: So you've really got to buckle down and, but it needs to be, I mean, it flies by like, you don't realize that it's three hours.
Chris: Fuck's sake.
Chris: Really?
Nate Day: But... Yeah. Pretty wild.
Chris: Huh. Okay.
Nate Day: But...
Chris: Wait, you saw it in theater?
Nate Day: That's about it. Yeah, yeah
Chris: Okay.
Nate Day: I did. And then. Otherwise, I've just seen the new Sense and Sensibility, which we'll talk about here today.
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: And that's kind of it. i i Similar to you, Chris, I was like, 'oh crap, I have to watch every Jane Austen adaptation ever made,' like last week, So I tried to saw through as many as I could. I didn't get through.
Nate Day: The list I wanted to get through, but I got through at least one of every Story. A couple of Emma's a couple of sense and sensibilities. And then I think one of everything else.
Chris: have they i'm sure you are going to mention it anyway but i need to know this second Have they adapted? All of them. I mean, her brief. body of work okay
Nate Day: Yeah. Yep.
Chris: Makes sense. Okay.
Nate Day: Yeah. At least one for each, and sometimes that's all I could really find.
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: but Yeah.
Chris: Okay.
Nate Day: But with that... why don't we dive in chris you want to give us a little background on Miss Jane Austen.
Chris: Yeah, yeah, so let me give you this brief rundown Again, Tucker, you've actually read more of them even than I have. So just like hop in. ad hoc. So this was, they were having...
Chris: It was very serendipitous. I think it was the week we had decided to do this episode. i went into I had just gotten a New York City library card, so I went down to one by Blair's aunt's house.
Chris: in the Upper East Side. And it just happened to be like Jane Austen. appreciation week or something
Nate Day: oh Cool.
Chris: So they had this really cool graphic novel uh,
Nate Day: Oh yeah.
Chris: titled The Novel Life of Jane Austen. growner, but it yeah it had to.
Nate Day: Hmm.
Nate Day: It's cute.
Chris: A delightful means of consuming. what could otherwise very quickly be dry you know a biography from a long time ago. That was by Janine.
Chris: oh gosh barges Marcus. And it it was so it was so succinct. It was so cool. And I think... We have a... troublesome crossroad of our own design.
Chris: with this episode and episodes like this where It would be so cool to do an entire episode just on Jane Austen's life. but also it would be so cool to do an entire episode on basically each book and each movie.
Chris: So.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: How do we combine? So this felt like basically just regurgitating her information in a brief way, because I think our opinions on the particular stylings will be more fun anyway.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: So first of all, This. I don't know if this felt obvious, but it was cool to have historically confirmed she as an author was heavily influenced by Shakespeare.
Nate Day: Oh, that's funny because that's our subject next week.
Chris: it It like checks out, but also we... bafflingly end up doing so many British authors and it's not typically specifically cited. And so for for this colossus of literature, it it felt right.
Nate Day: Right.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Had six brothers. One sister. I don't know why I put a question mark there. So I guess I was confused about something along those lines. her Father.
Chris: George Austin was a reverend. of rural England. Uh...
Chris: Late 1790s. her first uh book. She tried to... get put out there. There's an asterisk next to that that I'll explain later.
Chris: Pride and Prejudice was rejected. for being published. proceeded to edit it for the next 15 years. before it was finally actually released in 1813.
Nate Day: Ugh. That's so painful.
Chris: Isn't that crazy?
Nate Day: I have a hard time believing that it could have been in a position that it was that bad that it needed. 15. Years of edits.
Chris: it It makes me wonder. How much of that was, I mean, famously, did either of you read?
Chris: I keep wanting to say David McCullen. I think that's the wrong author. The dude that does the big, big biographies on all the heavy hitters. Did the Steve Jobs one. Did John
Tucker: Isaacson. Walter Isaacson.
Chris: Isaacson, Walter Isaacson, thank you. his His biography on Da Vinci is incredible, and he goes into this great detail about how the Mona Lisa, essentially he did the same thing.
Chris: He had it for years and years and would not reveal it, would not. put it out for display. And now it's a... You know different media obviously oil painting we can go back and see the exact changes He was making throughout those years very minute stuff This fact in particular.
Chris: i would be so fascinated what was that first pride and prejudice manuscript like
Nate Day: Right. Yeah.
Chris: especially i mean late 18th century That is not a simple thing to just casually go back. and make changes?
Nate Day: No.
Chris: Like, I...
Nate Day: No, I'm working on a writing project right now and and making changes makes me want to pull my hair out.
Chris: Uh -huh, uh -huh, and you're doing all of this? but I don't know. i thought I thought that was absolutely crazy.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: I'm going to skip ahead a little bit because this is very much a brief survey of her life. this incredible quote. I thought this was so cool. It sounded like the confirmation of its exact wording is maybe In question.
Chris: But she. herself jane said something along the lines of this if not verbatim The person. be it gentleman or lady, who has not pleasure in a good novel.
Chris: must be intolerably stupid.
Chris: And that fucking rips.
Nate Day: That does sound like something you would cosign.
Chris: Well, it gets at a few, I think. Pillars of her as an individual right first of all
Nate Day: Yeah, sure
Chris: It is objectively incredible that we hold in such high esteem an individual who only wrote. Six novels.
Nate Day: and, and Psst. Several of those were not finished, right? She didn't finish a few of them.
Chris: Only four. Yes. So only four.
Tucker: There are a couple extras. Yeah.
Chris: north Yeah, I mean, that's why I always want to say it with an asterisk. I've actually always been taught it was only five. So it really depends on what you include, what you consider.
Nate Day: Oh.
Chris: Uh...
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: inarguably, factually, uh northanger abbey and persuasion were both published posthumously. And... Crazy sign of the times. Not a surprise to anyone. Who's bothering to listen to a podcast about Jane Austen?
Chris: Those were the first two with her real name. on them at publishing.
Nate Day: Oh, okay.
Chris: Okay. trying not to drag this out. Father passed away early 19th century between 1801, 1809, relied heavily on the estate. uh for revenue, but it didn't go well.
Chris: very much a lot of pangs. and echoes in her life of the characters that we see and know and love. Right. because of this crazy. fucked up society in early 19th century England where Like, women had virtually no power. often could not inherit their estate if the man whoever they relied on economically passes they're basically Fucked. right
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: so sent uh her first manuscript in this is why i said earlier uh questions about what were full novels what's considered blah blah blah her actual first manuscript she attempted to publish was called susan sold to a publisher in London named Crosby.
Chris: for 10 pounds. And then they never published it. From what I read, and I would need to confirm more to give this good detail and factual backbone, but I think she eventually purchased it back from them.
Chris: because they essentially purchased the rights and then said, we're just not going to go through with it. But in order.
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: It was then. Again, early 19th, 1811 to 1813, both Pride and Prejudice and Sense and Sensibility are published. 1814 Mansfield Park.
Chris: And then Emma. then persuasion.
Chris: Oh, and then that's when she purchased, she did purchase and Susan back. And then she died in 1817. So a very short life. She was only 41. And there's just like this flurry of her work, again, arguably somewhere between.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Around a half dozen. books in total. And it's this colossus. I mean, I defy you to find someone who doesn't know who Jane Austen is, right?
Nate Day: Yeah. Totally.
Chris: i really enjoyed as as you know well tucker you've listened to episodes you know as well i love finding out the compare and contrast of authors.
Chris: beloved characters. that we all know and what is similar what is different and you can really see a lot of what had to be her lived experience.
Chris: at that time. And I think that's what. What you said at the very top, Tucker, what gives that writing... i' I think it is.
Chris: universally understandable. i don't think there will be a modernity far enough displaced. where she will no longer be accessible.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: i mean the the for the The writing is first and foremost.
Nate Day: I agree.
Chris: beautifully lyrical i mean i Feel like a nerd just chuckling on the subway. at these witty lines in, again, not small tales.
Chris: And it's just like back to back. constantly, incredibly witty.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: I think it has to have been fascinating to sit down and just be like, All right, Jane Austen in the flesh. Just talk. Cheers.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Tell me about about your views on the world because it had to just drip with Dry humor. And witty retorts. a very quick tongue I presume based on her writing, because there's no way you could write like that and then be a boring conversationalist yourself.
Nate Day: Well, even that quote you shared about someone being incredibly stupid, if they can't find a way to enjoy a book is like.
Chris: Oh.
Nate Day: Well. She said it.
Chris: And that's what she constantly says these things in these ways. I'll find, I always try to find like my favorite quotes in the. As we're discussing some of them, maybe I'll get to them more clearly. uh
Chris: I mean, some some incredibly just... poignant in emma the most recent one there was this line
Chris: I believe Emma said it. I can't believe I didn't write down which character said it, but they say... This is the case with us all. one half of the world cannot understand the pleasures of the other like so simple but so well put in a million years of trying to write i would not have come up with that
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: But it is immediately accessible, even if you disagree. I think you cannot help but enjoy. writing of this caliber. Right.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Oh, later on when Emma is talking to...
Chris: Who's the older couple?
Tucker: The Eltons.
Chris: Elton's. She's talking to the Elton's and she said. She went to them and wanted advice. And what's more. wanted the advice that they gave. Right.
Chris: time and time again, exactly as you said already, Tucker. There's a... Agatha Christie rinse and repeat aspect to these books. right they They feel a little bit interchangeable, a little bit saying the same things in different ways.
Chris: but uh no matter what in my experience virtually each pivotal turning point. Typically, seemingly outlandish.
Chris: situations. And I think that's a context thing. I think a lot of these would have felt way more. immediately relatable had we lived. 200 years ago in rural England.
Chris: in such a society but even at that these turning points these big decisions she wants to go uh i think she was like
Nate Day: Sure.
Chris: vibe checking that dude and wanted to ask them their opinion. After she was just completely... handed her own ass about the Harriet's proposal and giving her friend horrible advice.
Chris: And this idea of. Oh, I'll go ask these guys what they think. And... They gave me exactly the advice I wanted, right? Who has not done that?
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Who does not?
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: derive. great satisfaction from that i call you i call tucker i say hey i'm thinking about this band i'm not sure about it and in my head i'm like just looking to be convinced like just I just need it uh even mildly sensible reasoning to say no.
Chris: and i call and that's what i want and that's what i get and i'm like yes I did my due diligence.
Nate Day: Yep.
Chris: I checked with, so I i got a neutral third party. But also I heard exactly what I wanted to. And that's, the again, I tried to write down just a couple examples because this happens.
Chris: every other page. in every one of her books. in these things that
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: We should not. there It's always this perspective of like... a young unmarried woman. living at her parents' house. like basically having to get married to be you.
Chris: fiscally solvent.
Chris: This is a situation none of the three of us have ever lived in, right?
Nate Day: Right.
Chris: And I still, I defy you to explore any of, not any of her characters. Many are outlandish, but the core characters in each story, I defy you to look at the decisions they're making, the conversations they're having and say.
Chris: Nah. nah Can't relate. I don't understand at all.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: we We have all gone to seek advice from our friends, gone to seek advice from our friends and gotten horrible advice that has backfired.
Nate Day: Uh -huh.
Chris: gone to Uh... dive into or not dive into. and endeavor. Under.
Chris: exclusively our own assumptions and find out later. sometimes hilariously, sometimes heartbreakingly, that the other person was thinking the exact opposite right like all of these are such real human experiences that we all have anywhere no matter what And then...
Chris: she happens to write them in this beautiful way that just makes you want to keep reading. She's perfect No notes.
Nate Day: Cool. Tucker, how does that align with your...
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: Take on her.
Tucker: No, I totally agree and I think The formula is one of the... things that makes her work. so Easy to... to revisit.
Tucker: and to adapt so many different ways.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Like the formula is. Simple. It's... Meet cute. It's a The protagonist. getting challenged by something usually being moved to a different location away from their comfort zone
Chris: mm -hmm
Tucker: they meet cute again with they're the way that they've grown, something weird, unexpected happens. And then. The love interest will solve the problem or they will come up with a solution together and then they get married at the end.
Nate Day: it's so That's so accurate.
Chris: Yep.
Tucker: And it's Super cozy. Like I know what's coming the whole time.
Nate Day: No.
Tucker: I know. Who is gonna be what? And why? But. That just like unlocks the entertainment along the way and the humanity along the way.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: o
Tucker: It just makes it. makes it more plain what
Tucker: What Eleanor is going to think about Marianne. running off and getting a cold from being stuck in the rain. And you know how she's going to feel about it, And you know that she's just going to sit by her and worry.
Tucker: and she's going to do nothing for herself she's not going to drink her water she's not going to stay in bed but You know, it's... It just... It works so well.
Tucker: And... Yeah, I mean I took notes on like on where what happens in this formula that I wrote out. for each movie and it And like each one, I don't care.
Tucker: that they're so similar. i i Love them so much. and
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: They just work.
Chris: Hell yes. Wait, give us the parallel rundowns.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: What did you see?
Tucker: Okay. So... Meeting the protagonist is first. You learn all of the reasons why she's unsuitable for marriage. Uh, Eleanor Dashwood. Doesn't have any money. Her brother took it all.
Tucker: Elizabeth Bennett doesn't have any money. She's a like middle sister. She's too bookish.
Tucker: Emma is too nosy. For everybody. Uh, And her dad's so weird.
Chris: So weird
Tucker: like That's the first part, meeting that person. Then the meet cute. That happens usually at a ball. or
Tucker: The protagonist moving to a different location. The Dashwood sisters Move to London. for a while with the fabulous aunt. Elizabeth goes to live with her aunt and uncle for a while.
Tucker: Everyone just goes to bath. For a while.
Chris: Like a lot.
Tucker: Yeah. It seems like a good place.
Chris: Like a lot.
Tucker: Emma might stick close to home.
Chris: Well for for Emma, it's the other lady moving. That's like the sparking feature.
Tucker: Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
Nate Day: Oh yeah.
Chris: which made me actually think about both of you a lot.
Chris: Because I was like, all right, dude, you're being dramatic here. And I was like, well, no, I had this experience with both Nate and Tucker.
Tucker: Uh -huh.
Chris: And it is exactly this sad. That one got me.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: That one got me.
Tucker: Mm hmm.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Yep.
Tucker: And they, yeah, all the reconnections happen in different ways. the unexpected thing that happens that's, uh, That's Willoughby being an absolute. Menace, a problem, disgusting guy.
Nate Day: Yep. I hate that guy.
Tucker: uh Yeah,
Chris: Such a
Tucker: Another secret engagement for Emma.
Tucker: And then. They solve the problem. often with fabulous amounts of money and then they get married
Nate Day: Yeah. They're rich and happy and...
Tucker: And. And it's great.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: It's perfect. What more could you ask for?
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: But what I think is so interesting too is that each... Story. Even though they are are sort of the same. I don't know that I would call than predictable necessarily, but...
Chris: Agreed.
Nate Day: I also think that they've they sort of like... focus on different things. I mean, I know that we just said that it's sort of everybody's poor and and that's what makes this hard, but some of them are more.
Nate Day: It's like those personality traits that you brought up, Emma being sort of nosy and and stuck up. Like how does that derail? things for this young woman and as opposed to the fact that Uh... I think Emma does have some sort of like financial.
Nate Day: struggles right or her father is having some that's sort of in the background
Tucker: Well he's just ready to die at any minute.
Chris: Yeah. The Bennets were legitimately in threat.
Nate Day: Okay.
Tucker: Because he just thinks that he's sick all the time
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: emma I do.
Nate Day: I just mean some some stories like are about how money fucks up a woman's life. Others are about how man a man fucks up a woman's life. Others... are about
Tucker: Or both.
Nate Day: You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Both. how How a rich man fucks up a woman's life.
Chris: Some combination thereof
Nate Day: So I think it's interesting that they're... They're all in the same vein, but they're... Oh. they sort of like magnify it different.
Chris: They're not identical.
Nate Day: things that Jane Austen was interested in.
Chris: Certainly.
Tucker: Totally.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: can Can I scroll back super fast because I did write this quote down because it was so comical.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Again, the things that.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: just made me chuckle. Marianne, when she marries Willoughby, An objective douchebag. No question.
Nate Day: So this is Sense and Sensibility.
Chris: Yes. and her speaking to them about him in his defense. if I may. He has been misled by all the world. rather than his own heart.
Chris: Why that struck me. Again, the humanity of these characters. Willoughby. Sucks.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: And who among us? has not had the rose -tinted glasses had that one person, that one book, that one film. That one, I don't care, fast food, something.
Chris: That you are just unwilling to let go, unwilling to speak poorly of. And the third party observer. you are like so delusional that it's comical.
Nate Day: Right.
Chris: And I truly think she built that entire.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: absolutely horrendous character. to point that out. It's like a challenge. Okay, you can see it here. can you Can you turn this one around? Can you do any introspection about this?
Tucker: On that whole.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: I mean...
Tucker: That whole book.
Chris: Yeah.
Tucker: Everyone knows that he's a drag. Except for Marianne.
Chris: Mm hmm.
Tucker: She's so hung up on him.
Nate Day: Oh, is that?
Tucker: She loves him so much.
Nate Day: Really?
Tucker: And. Yeah, well, and Eleanor just sees her sister going absolutely Crazy for this guy.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Loses all of her Sensibility. And goes.
Nate Day: Huh?
Tucker: And, and. but like can tell that he's He's got weird vibes.
Chris: okay
Tucker: He's not telling everyone everything.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: He's... He's a shady dude and then it turns out to be true and he runs away with Someone with more money. And she's crushed, and then... They find something out something better
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: At least Eleanor is a little bit more likable.
Nate Day: Interesting.
Chris: i low -key think Emma's. like one of the most diabolical characters that she created.
Nate Day: I knew that you were going to say that when I was watching the most recent Emma movie. Because I was like. For the first half of the movie, I was thinking Chris would actually really like this one. This is sort of what I've imagined visually.
Nate Day: It... uh Jane Austen was imagining because we'll talk about this later but the aesthetic of a Jane Austen movie has shifted so much over the years.
Nate Day: And i I think that this version of Emma nailed it. But then the more I thought about it, I was like. I don't know if Chris will like Emma because she's kind of snot -nosed a little bit and and he does not like
Chris: A little bit?
Nate Day: protagonists that are not Perfectly likable.
Chris: first of all
Chris: Rude. but not incorrect. uh she Okay. Let me give you my two examples because I came.
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: with receipts prepared to defend.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: that Emma's the worst human she wrote.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Still not true. she wrote She wrote some. diabolical characters but emma sucks so one uh When they were like setting up trying to plan this little ball this little gathering spruce up the neighborhood All these people are coming to visit staying in town She did not want to go.
Chris: but was displeased not to be invited because that removed the opportunity for her to decline.
Chris: That is the lamest.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: of lame. Okay. And here was my my synopsis.
Nate Day: She's a woman of society. This stuff means things to these people.
Chris: No, but she's but all of this is because okay this is I mean Backstory we don't need to get into it's been front of mind for a few reasons for me recently and I absolutely cannot stand.
Chris: Someone who has clearly just decided. I am above this person or this person or this person because this. Full stop. Fuck off.
Nate Day: Sure.
Chris: And to me, the boiled down.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: i mean gross exaggeration here but i think it will make sense to you both it She is the quintessential. uh Proverb. that Jesus spoke.
Chris: Remove the speck the speck in in Uh... Oh nuts, I'm saying this the other way around. No, remove the plank.
Chris: In your eye. before Trying to remove the speck in your brother's eye Like I feel like she genuinely was just like at some tiny Anglican church and like that's what the preacher was talking about one day and she was like
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: I could build an entire character around that But again, the infuriating part. Who amongst us has not done this? looked at our friends and thought, oh no.
Nate Day: Right.
Chris: No, that's not gonna go well for you. Here, listen to my idea. Just like, why?
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Where does this come from? Why are we compelled to think we have like the greatest idea? i't Yeah.
Tucker: I don't think I've ever given you bad advice, Chris.
Nate Day: Yep.
Chris: I do believe that you think that. but
Nate Day: And that's how we get bring it back to the Elizabeth Holmes documentary.
Chris: Well, circle. Wait, does that make you Nathan Fielder?
Nate Day: Well, we have the same name so Pretty close.
Chris: so clearly.
Tucker: It works.
Nate Day: and And the same like awkward. you know demeanor
Chris: you do not have the ability to embrace the silence that that man does, thankfully.
Nate Day: That's true. He likes an awkward silence, and I have to...
Chris: loves an awkward silence.
Nate Day: Fill it. Yeah.
Chris: we We have many films to discuss. Can you tell us about films, please?
Nate Day: right well yes we do have a lot of films to talk about I i think it was on mic when I mentioned that my... notes are sort of more of a timeline this time around than it is like a breakdown of any you know, of the six or... or more.
Nate Day: And. I didn't. recognize and that series that you mentioned tucker so as we get to some blind spots please feel free to. Jump in.
Nate Day: The very first. adaptation of a jane austen work was in 1938 it was a television broadcast of pride and prejudice It's now lost media. that it wasn't recorded or it wasn't recorded properly or it wasn't stored properly. It's gone, but it existed.
Nate Day: So I think it's worth mentioning. Also because I do think Pride and Prejudice is probably the most famous of the six. main stories.
Nate Day: Are we kind of in agreement there?
Chris: 100%.
Tucker: Definitely.
Chris: Yep.
Nate Day: Okay. because that was also the first. Film Adaptation in 1940 which was... starred Greer Garson and Laurence Olivier, who we talked about in.
Nate Day: Wuthering Heights episodes. He's a really big deal, really big actor.
Chris: Yes.
Nate Day: and this This movie was, I believe it was produced by MGM, so it had that sort of big classic Hollywood glitz glamour spectacle to it that like you kind of think of with with classic musicals and things like that. So not very much in line with.
Nate Day: The visuals that we. associate with the Jane Austen adaptation. today. Fast forwarding a little bit into the 70s and 80s. This is the BBC era, which is probably where some of those masterpiece things on PBS come from as well. They'll air.
Nate Day: on BBC, Across the Pond, and PBS over here. But it's a lot of... miniseries adaptations, live broadcasts that are sort of like a filmed play basically tv movies and this is where they really built out what we see.
Nate Day: when we think of a Jane Austen adaptation today. so The era- accurate clothing and hair and What not,
Nate Day: And then another... resurgence in the 90s. Some of it came from movies that were loosely inspired by Jane Austen, which there are surprisingly few of given how famous she is and next time when we talk about shakespeare i assume we'll mention many many many stories that are loosely based on Shakespeare.
Nate Day: But really Jane Austen kind of only has this one. called Ruby in Paradise, which is loosely based on... Northanger Abbey, and then, of course, Clueless. which is Inspired.
Nate Day: By Emma. And there were a few other movies in 95. and and television. adaptations including Chris's favorite version of Pride and Prejudice, which was a miniseries that aired on BBC.
Chris: That was a miniseries? With my boy?
Nate Day: That. Yeah.
Chris: I was just looking this up earlier. What?
Nate Day: That's why it...
Chris: Why?
Chris: That's why that' that's why what
Nate Day: Well, that's why it's like six hours long
Chris: Yeah. Oh, so I've just been watching the full...
Nate Day: Yeah
Chris: Unserialized version there has to be a verb for that The omnibus?
Nate Day: That's probably it. A full cut.
Chris: yeah so for a number of years there on new year's eve because it was a battle with Nancy Anderson and I
Chris: And... her friends. We'd sit down. and watch The five hour one. And then... the inferior I mean, I think it still clocks like three and a half, the Keira Knightley one.
Nate Day: It's pretty long. I don't know the runtime off the top of my head, but it's long.
Chris: just back to back like you have your new year's eve festivities 11, 11 30 the young kids go to bed you fire up the first one and you're like it's a tight wrap right around sunrise
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Well I have notes.
Nate Day: It is.
Tucker: about what you just said.
Nate Day: I would love to hear them.
Tucker: Okay, well, you know, I would... I would run away with... Colin Firth. Just...
Chris: Big facts. Big facts.
Nate Day: Sure.
Tucker: Full stop.
Chris: Fair. Yep.
Tucker: The miniseries is fabulous. It's great. Yeah. Nothing wrong with it. I disagree with you that the Keira Knightley Matthew Macfadyen is inferior.
Tucker: I think the pacing of it is better.
Chris: Really?
Nate Day: So do I.
Tucker: fitting it into a movie is good. Though... the way they were able to do the Like how the the scene where they're they're writing letters back and forth to one another and walking through their own respective respectful. fields.
Tucker: just It works better. it's a better pace it's a uh it it works for
Chris: Huh.
Tucker: For a modern audience, even though like the 95 one wasn't that long ago That works better now.
Chris: Huh.
Tucker: and it's It's tight it's It cuts out a couple characters that don't need to be there. it's I disagree with you that it's... markedly inferior.
Tucker: Also, I love Matthew Macfadyen
Chris: i knew I knew this was what Nate thought.
Tucker: I love thinking about him as Tom Wamskans. and Fitzwilliam Darcy. Like those two characters couldn't be more different.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: and it it
Nate Day: I know.
Tucker: Brings me joy.
Nate Day: Yeah. I agree. I also think that the movie is is better, but I've only seen, I was hoping to watch the full. mini series in preparation for this but i got to like my eighth Jane Austen movie and
Chris: Fair.
Nate Day: Thought I was going to.
Tucker: If I see another top hat, I'm going to lose it.
Nate Day: Walk into traffic. So, yeah, exactly. So i I had to cut it, but I've watched some. clips and highlights and things online. And I think what's interesting is that it it fits in really nicely to that BBC era that I talked about that that sort of embraces the parts of...
Nate Day: jane Austen that are maybe a little bit of wooden. And stiff. compared to the movie is a lot more lush and has sort of leans into that 1940s.
Nate Day: vibe in terms of the sweeping romance and the uh just like larger scale sort of of the of the story in the way it's depicted visually, which is more in line with my...
Nate Day: personal. tastes is really the only Uh,
Tucker: Yeah, i'd I'd say too, the the BBC ones.
Nate Day: points i have for it
Tucker: I think what you're saying about the BBC... era of them is that they It really lean into the sense of time that it takes for everything to happen, like the amount of time it takes to send a letter from Essex to Northampton takes a long time, where
Nate Day: Yeah. Yep.
Tucker: now That. That's an important part of the story, but it doesn't... translate as well to now. Like.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: no one in this year has sent a letter. And had it taken longer than... instantly because it was an email.
Nate Day: Right. Great.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
Tucker: And. And the like they still. In the modern adaptations, they still manage to... Like make it make sense like they show Elizabeth Bennet walking around.
Tucker: looking sad because she hasn't gotten a letter. and then show her being happy when she does have one. And it takes...
Nate Day: Yep.
Tucker: 90 seconds instead of... 90 minutes.
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Same message. i'm I'm just shocked because I really thought you would be on my side on this one. Amen.
Tucker: I mean, they're both Great. is Is what I was saying. I disagree with you.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: that it's inferior.
Nate Day: Chris's feelings are hurt.
Chris: Oh no, no, no.
Tucker: oh
Chris: Okay.
Nate Day: no but you do like those details chris that makes a story feel Like, lived in. So it makes sense to me why you might like a version of it that... that gets into the nitty gritty and.
Nate Day: really places you in that world. Right.
Chris: it's It's really just that, again... The. The... the heavy hitting all of these plot points that tucker highlighted are not. That's not all the story is and any additional exposition is to ferry you from one of those parts to the next.
Chris: And so. To a certain extent. I think. For me, for that tale. Longer just equals better, period. I mean, unless you were putting in drivel.
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: because yeah i just want to be immersed i want more any any books that i've loved i would prefer I would have preferred if Dune was five hours. I would have preferred if Lord of the Rings was five hours.
Chris: I want.
Nate Day: it It almost is.
Chris: that world. Well, yeah, but still like the the Barrow -Whites, like how did you decide those didn't need to be in the fellowship?
Nate Day: I know what you're saying I'm just teasing.
Chris: But the... the the Original one, I mean, I guess as you've said, it's not the original one. To me, that's always been the original in my mind. The BBC with Colin Firth, that is Pride and Prejudice.
Nate Day: Sure.
Chris: And there's no point in that.
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: perhaps just because it's a story I adore. There's no point it. uh I'm repeating everything Tucker said. it feels like appropriate timing to me And I feel like.
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: the need to modernize. In my eyes... out of a commercial. We want to make money off this film standpoint.
Chris: Uh... That is inherently going to lose quality of a story that's not meant to go fast. There's no part of Jane Austen that's supposed to feel like. a rocky montage and like now suddenly we've arrived at a climax.
Chris: Not her bag.
Nate Day: Sure. Okay, yeah, no, I agree.
Chris: And so.
Nate Day: Which one does your mom prefer?
Chris: The...
Nate Day: Do you know?
Chris: the the Colin Firth Yeah.
Nate Day: Okay. Okay. Interesting. Okay, well. What's really interesting about the 2005 Pride and Prejudice movie is that for quite a while, it's kind of the last.
Nate Day: Adaptation. at least in America, because it... redefines sort of what a Jane Austen adaptation looks like. And so it kind of... Clean the clock. so At this point.
Nate Day: other countries in the world started kind of taking a stab at Jane Austen adaptations, particularly India. I don't really know why. She's such a popular.
Nate Day: author for adaptation there, but... There's a lot of... Indian. adaptations of of her work. And that brings us to... 2016 about 10 years ago sort of a mini resurgence uh Which...
Nate Day: Got kicked off by Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. Have you guys seen this movie? Heard heard of this movie?
Tucker: I'm familiar with it.
Nate Day: It is.
Chris: What?
Nate Day: the story of Pride and Prejudice told. during a zombie apocalypse. obviously terrible reviews and everything but it it but It brought a lot of attention back to.
Nate Day: Jane Austen and and why we liked her and what... We can. And maybe can't. apply her lessons to i didn't watch it i wasn't gonna You know, for an episode where we were going to celebrate Jane Austen, that didn't feel like something I needed to prioritize.
Nate Day: But... I do want to see it at some point.
Chris: It's also an adaptation.
Nate Day: Oh, is it? Of an of an individual book?
Chris: Book number one in the Pride and Prejudice and Zombies series by Jane Austen and Seth Graham Smith. Now a major motion picture.
Nate Day: That's crazy.
Nate Day: Well... Maybe we'll have to get to it at some point.
Chris: What?
Nate Day: I don't understand how that's not a copyright.
Chris: This feels... Blasphemous.
Tucker: You'll have to do a whole podcast on abuses of public domain.
Chris: What?
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: I was going to say, yeah, this it's all pre copyright law.
Nate Day: There you go. Oh, yeah
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: Oh, yeah, I guess that's true.
Chris: You could shoot copies of...
Chris: Northanger Abbey at your house and sell them. You shouldn't, but...
Nate Day: Dang it. i I could have been rich uh Anyway, that year we also got, I think, the one and only adaptation of... Is it called Lady Susan? The movie is called Love and Friendship, which I think was.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: renamed so that it sort of rhymes with Pride and prejudice and sense and sensibility.
Chris: Mm.
Nate Day: interesting kind of weird. movie but but it's good and then in 2020 we got the emma that i mentioned that i thought chris would like and then realized he'd hate.
Tucker: Oh, it's so nice.
Nate Day: And then again,
Nate Day: Yeah, it is nice.
Tucker: So nice.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Wait, when did you Tucker did you watch this preparing for this or had you seen it closer to release?
Nate Day: I'll...
Tucker: No, I watched it when it came out.
Chris: Oh, okay.
Tucker: when it When it was new. And it's it's just lovely I mean, you know how i feel about how I feel about Bill Nighy and he plays...
Nate Day: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Mr. Woodhouse. And he's just so funny.
Nate Day: And he just goes. Balls to the wall. He does not care how stupid.
Chris: Hell yeah.
Tucker: Yeah, like he has three servants holding up a screen because he feels that he feels a draft somewhere and he's just directing them.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: It's so funny and the colors are so beautiful and
Nate Day: It's beautiful movie.
Tucker: it's It's really really nice
Nate Day: Yeah. Yeah. And. it's One of two Emmas that I've seen, the other one is the... Gwyneth Paltrow.
Tucker: Good afternoon.
Nate Day: Yeah. The 2021 is far superior. And. it's It's the only one of those two. Oh, and I guess I've seen Clueless, of course, but I don't know if that's... you know adaptation necessarily.
Tucker: It counts.
Nate Day: This is... The 2020 version of Emma. had me like rolling laughing i thought it was so funny and the gwyneth one was not like the humor did not come through for me
Chris: oh
Nate Day: and I really it's it's. Probably after the... Pride and Prejudice movie it's probably my favorite. Austin Adaptation.
Nate Day: And that that brings us to this year, another 10 -year gap before we had any real.
Chris: wow
Nate Day: adaptations where we got Georgia Oakley's Sense and Sensibility adaptation. interesting movie. Definitely good. I think it's built for...
Nate Day: people that have read the book or seen the previous version. because some of the pacing in it. was sort of strange and... It's... The sort of climax of the movie is a little bit.
Nate Day: different... than the 1995 version. I have no idea which one is more. accurate to the source material.
Tucker: The 95 one is...
Nate Day: But...
Tucker: quite accurate i haven't seen the new one
Nate Day: I figured.
Tucker: But...
Nate Day: I figured that was...
Tucker: Emma Thompson, I mean, emma Emma Thompson wrote that one and spent a long time
Nate Day: Yep.
Tucker: Getting it. shopping it and getting it made.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Really?
Tucker: Oh yeah, yeah. years. and and she wrote the adaptation won an oscar for screenwriting i think
Nate Day: Mm -hmm. Yep.
Tucker: And it's it's very it's very faithful. to the novel and it's It's great. and
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: You know how I feel about Kate Winslet, too. it's it's so good and the cast the whole cast of that movie is so great
Chris: there
Nate Day: Oh, yeah. And that's...
Nate Day: It really is. And that movie is a huge. announcement really for Kate Winslet it's sort of what put her on the map as like a critical, and I think it was her first Oscar nomination as well, actually.
Tucker: mm -hmm
Tucker: I think so, yeah
Nate Day: And that's such a good role. The the woman, Esme Creed- Miles plays that role in the new one. And she's just a firecracker too. She's easily the best part of the new one.
Nate Day: So anyway, we got the new sense and sensibility this year. I'm interested to see what you think, Tucker, especially as such a big fan of Jane Austen. so Please let me know when you do see it. but Later this year, also, there is a new Pride and Prejudice.
Nate Day: I can't say that word. Pride and Prejudice.
Chris: That's a mouthful.
Nate Day: adaptation coming to Netflix. It will be a miniseries. So it'll be interesting to see how that lines up with. the BBC series and the 2005. movie from Joe Wright as well.
Nate Day: but
Chris: This is going to be the new Lord of the Rings Trilogy Day movie challenge.
Tucker: Except it's the same story three times.
Chris: Just all all three. Yeah.
Nate Day: And two of them are actually television miniseries.
Chris: Oh. I'm not above it.
Nate Day: Good, I'm glad
Chris: I'm not above it.
Nate Day: That'll be your challenge when it hits in December. You have to watch all three and take diligent notes and report back.
Chris: I mean, the other thing, to to put it in... crass terms. the comparison between the first two. yeah all right we got Colin Firth in this one and we got Keira Knightley in that one so like Just hall passes abounding.
Chris: Lovely humans.
Nate Day: Yeah. I agree. And the the new one has... Emma Corrin is going to be. Lizzie. Olivia Coleman is...
Nate Day: I guess probably her mom.
Nate Day: I don't know if you guys know any of these other Jack Lowden another guy that's going to maybe be James Bond.
Chris: Who the frick is this?
Tucker: Hmm. Mm hmm.
Nate Day: rufus sewell who Maybe could have been James Bond. And then Fiona Shaw, weirdly, who was...
Tucker: Maybe.
Tucker: She's in everything.
Nate Day: In everything that's British.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: including Being the aunt, the nasty aunt in Harry Potter. aunt Petunia?
Tucker: Petunia
Chris: Oh, yes, yes.
Nate Day: She was in, she's going to be in.
Chris: Classic.
Nate Day: Pride and Prejudice and was also in The New Sense and Sensibility and is
Chris: Phenomenal
Nate Day: really, really great. And this she had me laughing. pretty hard in the new Sense and Sensibility.
Tucker: Oh. Yeah, Lady Catherine de Bourgh. She'll be perfect. I love that so much
Nate Day: Oh yeah.
Chris: Hell yes.
Nate Day: Yeah, she's... She's another one. that's like kind of like bill Nighy it's just like ready to go balls to the wall Because why not?
Tucker: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Why not?
Nate Day: You know.
Chris: i mean to to the point that you made about like why make a serious version I would argue at its heart every single one of these texts is a comedy through and through.
Chris: You should be laughing the whole time.
Nate Day: I think so, too.
Tucker: Maybe not Mansfield Park.
Nate Day: m Yeah.
Chris: but Okay, okay.
Nate Day: Yeah, that one Okay.
Tucker: It's about slavery really.
Nate Day: It's kind of bleak. Yeah.
Tucker: so I don't know about that, bud.
Chris: No.
Nate Day: Thank you Tucker for keeping us on track. Uh, But yeah, they are. I mean, one thing that struck me. watching. two emmas back to back as i was like these just are rom -coms set
Chris: Yep.
Nate Day: in a different time. And that's why it became clueless. You know?
Chris: Yep.
Tucker: What? Yeah, and that's the thing. there're Like they're always on the classics shelf. in every bookstore you go into but these were parodies at the time.
Nate Day: Yeah, comedy is a manner.
Tucker: Like I... i Yeah, like I like to think of them as like. the Three Flavours Cornetto trilogy. Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, At World's End. That are.
Tucker: At the same time... An absolute send -up of the genre. And.
Nate Day: Uh -huh.
Tucker: and excellent example of the genre like Shaun of the Dead is one of the best zombie movies ever made
Chris: Mm hmm.
Nate Day: Yep.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Hell yeah.
Tucker: And it absolutely rips. every other zombie movie.
Nate Day: Mhm.
Tucker: And it it just makes fun of them in such a smart way.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Yes.
Tucker: And Northanger Abbey. There's this scary... Big house that she's not allowed in and in certain rooms and there's a ghost maybe But. No, it's just...
Tucker: the Dad is just kind of a dick.
Nate Day: Right.
Tucker: That's the ghost.
Nate Day: It's like Scooby -Doo.
Tucker: he's the He's the vampire in the movie.
Nate Day: Yeah. Yeah.
Tucker: It's so funny and it's such a such a rug pull
Nate Day: Yep.
Tucker: And. Yeah, it's... it's great
Nate Day: Totally.
Tucker: Just so smart.
Chris: Yep.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Yep.
Nate Day: Couldn't agree more. And. I think that's why it's very apt that you used a hot fuzz. GIF and our group chat the other day. and
Tucker: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: Chris says YARP and NARP to me all the time. and yeah
Tucker: exclusively. That's how he communicates.
Chris: We are.
Nate Day: Yeah. Yarp. I love that movie. Yeah, that's what I've got for the movies or the adaptations. What did I miss, Tucker?
Tucker: Well, Sanditon, I mentioned.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: So... This is... one book that was unfinished. She had written a handful of chapters of it before she died. And. Many authors over the years tried to finish it like just try to do more eventually one was selected by a publisher and did finish it and published it and it sold And it did okay.
Tucker: It was finally picked up. for a show. mid 20 teens, I think. And it... And it was. Okay.
Tucker: Option for a couple of seasons. They did the first season Starring pre... White Lotus Theo James. and
Nate Day: Oh wow.
Tucker: And the guy from... Love Actually, Who Goes to America.
Chris: You, Grant?
Nate Day: Chris, that's your movie.
Tucker: No.
Chris: Colin Firth. I love that movie.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: yeah
Tucker: yeah Yeah, that's got everybody in it, but...
Chris: Keira Knightley.
Nate Day: i'm looking I'm trying to look it up here.
Tucker: Yeah, it's... Colin Frisell is his name in the in the movie.
Nate Day: Okay.
Tucker: But so they're they're all in it and. After the first season, it didn't... play very well. and it got cancelled.
Nate Day: Hmm.
Tucker: And this. First season ends. very much on a classic Austin Cliffhanger. where... the couple hasn't quite fallen in love yet, but they clearly are both going to.
Chris: Yep.
Tucker: So it ended on season one. Couple of years go by and there's this like huge fan Push to get another season made to have it be finished.
Nate Day: Okay.
Tucker: eventually it finally goes through and they do option it again but enough time has passed that certain Talent can't be there.
Chris: who
Tucker: like Theo James suddenly got very
Nate Day: It's too expensive.
Tucker: Famous. And expensive, yeah. So then, like... different. choices were made for the story because of that.
Tucker: And. And it goes on for two more seasons. so it Totals out at three seasons long. and You can tell. That it's not. you know, a Jane Austen story. You can.
Tucker: It's very much a contemporary story, especially after the first season.
Chris: and
Tucker: It has themes of... of slavery is is a theme in it one of the main characters is uh A black woman from Antigua who...
Tucker: is fabulously wealthy. She was an acknowledged daughter of a... businessmen who worked on the Mosquito Coast and a lot of the movie is about protecting her and her fortune or a lot of the the series is about about that.
Tucker: and about
Nate Day: Okay.
Tucker: her agency over it as well. not only as a woman with money in this world but a woman of color with money in that world.
Nate Day: oh That's cool.
Tucker: It also... deals with like the main thing is is this family that's trying to get their town to be like destination town And there's this rich old lady who's...
Tucker: who loves the way things used to be. She's the Lady Catherine de Bourgh. She's the Mrs. Norris of this. of this story.
Chris: Mm hmm.
Nate Day: Ooh.
Tucker: There's a... There's a scheming. brother and sister duo who are trying to get Mischief. Charlotte Haywood to fall in love with them. You know, it's it's... it very clearly pulls from other Austen stories. to make its own story.
Tucker: It's got the...
Nate Day: Cool.
Tucker: all of the elements i went through it's got all of her character archetypes you know the the practically perfect protagonist, the emotionally unavailable father figure who loves at least one of his children.
Tucker: Some fabulously wealthy neurodivergent boy who saves the day. has it eventually comes around. And it has the like meddling Yenta person.
Chris: yes
Tucker: it it has It has everything. it's
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Phenomenal
Tucker: It's it's really very good and it's you know it's All wrapped up in a nice, cozy masterpiece.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: story.
Chris: Yep.
Nate Day: Cool.
Chris: I'm curious. i don't I don't know which of you feels more confident answering this. Why the series? zzzzzz as compared to just making a movie out of every single one of these.
Chris: Where does that choice come from?
Tucker: Well, it's the time. I mean, it's it's what we talked about. It's the scale of the stories. Like Mansfield Park. Takes place over like 10 years
Tucker: I think Uh...
Tucker: Persuasion takes is kind of a long time too and a lot of it is sitting around waiting.
Chris: uh -huh
Tucker: you know waiting for
Chris: Yeah, yeah.
Tucker: Luis's TBI to heal. in an era of dubious medicine. End. And I think. So, like, it it suits itself. to a series where A lot of the scenes are...
Tucker: a group of people eating dinner having a conversation
Chris: Uh huh. Okay.
Tucker: Where a a movie needs more... grandiose set pieces. It needs Matthew Macfadyen stomping through the rain.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: It needs...
Nate Day: Yes.
Tucker: Yeah, it needs Hugh Grant.
Chris: delightful.
Tucker: Picking Marianne up. in the in the
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Also delightful.
Tucker: Yeah, it needs it you need those things.
Chris: Ugh.
Tucker: And those things only happen. once or twice in all of these books.
Chris: Uh huh.
Nate Day: Right. Yeah.
Chris: Okay.
Nate Day: That's why i'm I'm really curious when you see the new Sense and Sensibility, Tucker.
Chris: Interesting.
Nate Day: And Chris, too. the Like I said, the climax of the movie. It felt sort of out of place to me. and I'm guessing it was. invented or or embellished maybe but Uh...
Nate Day: i don't know how what else to say without spoiling it. So I just am curious what you guys will...
Chris: Without spoiling a book that was published 215 years ago?
Nate Day: Think.
Tucker: It is a... 200 year old. Story. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Thank you. Thank you.
Chris: Yeah.
Tucker: Marianne.
Nate Day: Marianne. When she's sick. In this new movie, Willoughby comes. running to apologize. And. The colonel is there.
Nate Day: And they go out on the front lawn and have a duel. As in... Take 10 steps away, pull out your guns and shoot at each other.
Nate Day: And Willoughby shoots. at the colonel but misses the colonel just fires his gun up into the air to prove that he's you know the better man. and And whatnot.
Nate Day: That does not happen in the 1995 version.
Tucker: No.
Nate Day: it's It's that the colonel finds Marianne. Out in the rain. And saves her. And when she like. wakes up, she realizes that he was the better man all along.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: So. i I just think it was really strange that they inserted a set piece like that.
Chris: o
Nate Day: This tense moment where with guns and... End. dude stuff you know into jane austen uh And like I said, They felt. pretty out of place.
Nate Day: and and
Tucker: It seems not necessary.
Nate Day: Odd. I mean...
Chris: the
Nate Day: I can see why they did it, because it increased the stakes.
Nate Day: think it like made his. Being a good man, actionable and tangible.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: Because anybody anybody would pick up a crumpled young woman off the floor in a rainstorm, hopefully.
Chris: But you should.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: So...
Chris: But you shouldn't need to raise the stakes. I think that's the point in this.
Nate Day: Sure.
Chris: the deliberate, interwoven... dialogue, and very intimately known characters.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Yeah, it's the the quiet.
Chris: Because...
Tucker: Alright. Quiet. diligence or Or... quiet power that Colonel Brandon has.
Chris: Yeah.
Tucker: to like just be kind to marianne and get her.
Nate Day: Right.
Tucker: where she needs to be and that
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Like... quiet gentleness that Henry Tilney has for Catherine. you know, coming to coming back to visit her after her his dad kicks her out of the house.
Tucker: just to Check in.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: it's much softer than The Hollywood.
Nate Day: Right.
Chris: Yes.
Tucker: We need to we need to shoot about this
Nate Day: Norm.
Chris: Yes.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: We need to see big
Tucker: Except at that point in the story, like.
Nate Day: Right.
Tucker: Willoughby has... already demonstrated that he sucks.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: he's Practically already engaged to. Yeah. to jane steele right
Nate Day: That lady. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I think they are engaged yeah.
Chris: Oh yeah, he he was secret.
Nate Day: In the movie, anyway.
Chris: Yeah, no, he was secreting it. I, let me, I found, I found another receipt because this is my favorite thing to do with books. this to me was the the individual climaxes for her that you know so well this character again i i think i think you both mentioned not necessarily
Nate Day: Marianne?
Chris: Huh?
Nate Day: Marianne, what character?
Chris: I'm going to give you an example about John. their, their brother. the three sisters' brother, John Dashwood.
Nate Day: I hate that.
Tucker: The older brother.
Nate Day: That guy is not. Oh, the older brother. Okay, got it.
Tucker: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Uh...
Tucker: He's a boob.
Nate Day: Yeah, he is about me.
Chris: Yes. and that And but. In a way... This subtle way she said this is why I am an advocate for yeah you trim it down to two and a half hours and cut some folks out you need a gun scene it should be seven hours long that everyone sits through Sustained So we can have every one of these lines.
Chris: where immediately you go, I know this person. Okay, this was this was her description something John said I don't remember who he said it to Uh, Or he he didn't say it. This was like the narration about John, right?
Chris: having done nothing himself for his sisters. He was anxious that everybody else should.
Chris: You don't need to see the movie. You don't need to. you You need no more information. Thankfully, we are given brilliantly much, much more information. right
Nate Day: Yeah, well.
Chris: But you... You understand this character right now from that one line.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: That's crazy.
Nate Day: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: And this is 600 pages of those lines back to back. Why do you need a gun scene?
Nate Day: Well.
Chris: Why do you... No.
Nate Day: Well.
Chris: No.
Nate Day: Then don't watch the movie.
Chris: I want a seven hour.
Tucker: Yeah, I think. Chris, you really should. You should watch the old one. You should watch the Emma Thompson one.
Nate Day: You'll love the Emma Thompson one, Chris.
Tucker: because it is
Chris: Interesting. Okay.
Tucker: It's so cozy and it's...
Chris: Okay.
Nate Day: it's It's got Hugh Grant.
Tucker: and And it does.
Chris: I do love Hugh Grant.
Tucker: It does that thing where it it shows. how Useless. John Dashwood is.
Chris: Mm hmm.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: In like four minutes.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Yes.
Nate Day: he's He's not in the rest of that movie.
Chris: Yes.
Nate Day: I mean I assume that the book is similar in that
Chris: Really?
Tucker: I think he shows yeah he shows up at dinner in the Thompson one.
Chris: He's very in and out.
Tucker: but
Nate Day: Oh you're right, you're right.
Chris: yeah
Tucker: But like barely because he's he's nobody he's he's he's nothing he just gets all of the money in the house
Nate Day: Right.
Chris: Yes.
Nate Day: Fanny is the... Peace.
Chris: Because.
Nate Day: Fannie's the...
Chris: Penis.
Tucker: Yeah. Fanny's the yenta. She's she's the problem.
Nate Day: she's awful and she is nasty mean in the new one man like in the 95 one she's obviously an awful person but she's sort of like flighty and Like.
Chris: Mm.
Nate Day: Like maybe she's mean because she's stupid. kind of mean, you know, but in this new one, she is just.
Tucker: Uh huh.
Nate Day: Raging. Awful. She is. mean and I was like Damn someone point one of those guns at her for a second scared of something Sense into her.
Chris: But I think that's one of the problems with the combination of the comedy and the contextualized societal norms. if you sat and just wrote down on paper like imagine a friend coming to you with a similar situation now And a lot of the decisions these people are doing.
Chris: Making. are truly tantamount to... sentencing someone else to death. I'm gonna scheme.
Nate Day: hu
Chris: for someone I like to marry this dude instead of her. relegating her to spinster status in a society where she has no males that she can rely upon and therefore will be penniless the rest of her, like not penniless, like.
Chris: I live in Brooklyn. This apartment costs too much. I'm not worried about rent next month, right? Like these are truly decisions being made by individuals in frilly hats, sitting in parlors, sipping tea that are. damning the individuals around them to literally having zero money for the measly, I mean, life expectancy was like 40.
Chris: but Still.
Nate Day: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Those are crazy things to not make light of the parody in a brilliant and appropriate way, but that's what was happening. These are. Shit -ass people.
Nate Day: Shit ass people. And boobs.
Chris: I just... I just want a BBC like nine hour version where it's just. Dame Judi Dench reading it word for word to me. I think that's what I'm finding here.
Nate Day: That does sound like something you would enjoy. Do you guys have...
Chris: I'd fucking love that.
Nate Day: rankings general rankings of the stories
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: Okay, let's hear it.
Tucker: Sure. Number one, pride and prejudice. Because of the... everything we talked about.
Nate Day: Yep.
Tucker: Number two sense and sensibility. Alright.
Nate Day: Okay.
Tucker: three and four I have Northanger Abbey and Emma. Five was Persuasion. And then kind of a distant six is Mansfield Park.
Chris: Mmm.
Nate Day: Okay. I'm in a pretty similar... Vote. Actually, I think. I would swap. Pride and Prejudice, or I'm sorry, Sense and Sensibility and Emma. I think Emma's my number two.
Nate Day: So it's Pride and Prejudice, Emma. Sense and Sensibility. Uh... And then the other three, honestly, to me are kind of... interchangeable i mean the movies are not stellar really for any of i had a hard time finding deciding which adaptations to watch for those ones because they're kind of all
Chris: oh
Tucker: They're not great.
Nate Day: Like shrug.
Tucker: I watched the 2007 -ish Northanger Abbey. Today, actually, the one with Felicity Jones.
Nate Day: Yes, i that's the one I watched too.
Tucker: And yeah, it was. It was corny.
Nate Day: I thought it was fine, yeah.
Tucker: it was it was fine, but like But it was it was okay. I'd like the performances were all good
Nate Day: Have a seat. Yeah.
Tucker: the pacing and structure of everything was really good. parts of it were kind of corny.
Nate Day: Right. Yeah. But I don't think it's a bad... It's also a TV movie. It was made for the BBC.
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: and It shows, but that's fine. I don't know. It's just I think that there is a top three and a bottom three. And. Those bottom three to me as the movie guy on the podcast, the bottom three just don't.
Nate Day: Mean a lot to me unfortunately
Tucker: Oh, yeah, you didn't mention the... Is it Dakota Johnson persuasion? from a couple years ago.
Nate Day: Woof. I did watch that one. That was the persuasion I landed on because...
Chris: the what
Nate Day: I tried to watch one from the 90s, and I just... Could not. I was like bored stiff in the beginning because it's very much about money. it's And and. How do you make money in this bizarre world? That that. was England in the time. and i was just bored stiff so i was like well let me switch to this one that has like a pretty movie star that I like to look at at the very least.
Nate Day: And then I fell asleep during that movie as well. So Persuasion is not one that's held my attention very well.
Chris: yeah
Nate Day: Whatsoever.
Chris: I'm a little surprised about the sense and sensibility in Emma. Do you just, like, like a girl that'll be a little mean to you? is that
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: You might be swayed by how beautiful that movie is.
Nate Day: Yeah, it really it's like so colorful and and.
Chris: Fair.
Chris: Okay.
Nate Day: And the woman that plays. The Chatterbox. What's her name?
Tucker: Mm.
Nate Day: Oh, my God. She's so funny in that movie.
Tucker: Yeah. Yeah, she was on Call the Midwife and she was so, so good on it.
Nate Day: And then. Yeah. And then she's so heartbreaking in the scene when Emma. is mean to her.
Tucker: Mhm.
Nate Day: at i it just had me on the verge of tears which i didn't really expect from that movie because it's
Chris: Wow
Nate Day: kind of bubblegum II and silly you know So.
Chris: It does it all.
Nate Day: I don't know. They're probably more interchangeable than I'm... letting on, but... for the sake of list making. I would.
Chris: Fair.
Nate Day: Put Emma above it. What about you, bud?
Chris: Well, I've only read the four and I've... vote Honestly, I think I've only seen the two Pride and Prejudice Psy.
Nate Day: Oh.
Chris: Pride and Prejudice, obvious, number one.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Uh... Actually, mine is very similar to yours, Tucker. I think I would go pride and prejudice, sense and sensibility. And to an extent in my mind, just because I sewed.
Chris: Disdained. M .I .O as as a non -corporeal. fictional being uh but still just the way she was i would kind of say persuasion and emma like tie for fourth.
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: But that's not that's not really.
Nate Day: And those are the, those are the 40 of.
Chris: Yeah, and that's not really a statement on those two.
Nate Day: Okay.
Chris: That's more of, or it's not an indictment on those two. That's more of an endorsement of. How good I mean at any given point of any given year, I would happily.
Chris: just kick into Pride and Prejudice And sense and sensibility anyway. I've got a freaking... I should have found it for this. Nuts. I didn't think of it till now. I have a copy of Pride and Prejudice in Mandarin.
Tucker: Cool.
Nate Day: Wow. That's cool.
Chris: Done. I obviously cannot read, but I'm like. That had to be so much work.
Tucker: But you've got it.
Nate Day: But he owns it.
Chris: Like someone was really dedicated.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: Cool.
Chris: They're so good. Such a cool author.
Nate Day: Did you guys?
Chris: Such cool stories.
Nate Day: Yeah. Did you guys have I didn't we we addressed all of the discussion questions that I wrote down. Did you guys have any additional ones?
Tucker: i
Chris: No, we we hit everything
Tucker: I might want to mention that.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Like, I think everyone should read this. stories. and I think they really lend themselves to audiobooks really well.
Chris: Mm.
Nate Day: Oh.
Tucker: I. Eyeball red. Sense and Sensibility. And I think I listened to the rest of the ones that I've read.
Chris: Mm hmm.
Tucker: And. Just the... narration Like the voices that the narrators do
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: particularly for the like ridiculous old ladies just makes makes those jokes really land and it
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: It's a good way to cut through the Regency English, which is stuffy and dense.
Nate Day: hu
Tucker: because like Looking at it on the page you see a sentence of 12 words and all of them have 12 letters. but if you hear it it makes perfect sense it's much it's a it's a a very
Chris: Mm hmm.
Nate Day: Yeah. Right.
Tucker: It's like
Nate Day: Like Shakespeare.
Tucker: kind of Gilmore Girls -y, like how fast it goes.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: if If it's being read to you.
Chris: Yep.
Tucker: So I would absolutely recommend. going that way.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: As a way to consume the story
Nate Day: I...
Chris: MR.
Nate Day: I've...
Chris: Agreed.
Nate Day: Totally. I've not read any of them or listened to any of them. uh But I can see how that's the case. first of all because the bbc is huge on audio dramas as well and i'm sure they've published several versions of all of these. But...
Nate Day: her characters are so well realized immediately like the one sentence you gave us for John. I don't know, so Mr.
Chris: John Dashwood.
Nate Day: Dashwood. I can't imagine that you could Read the book out loud and not. do silly voices and accents and and
Chris: Mm.
Nate Day: you know, all these inflictions of character into it because they're so. Ripe.
Chris: Yep.
Nate Day: And everything.
Chris: Yep. Yeah, I think that's a phenomenal rec.
Nate Day: Cool.
Chris: tucker i would completely agree i i love reading them i love reading them in pieces
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: I love. But... devouring. the audiobooks.
Nate Day: Oh.
Chris: If that makes sense.
Nate Day: Well, yeah yeah, sure. I mean, it's it's more It's like closer to performance right so
Chris: Yes, yes, it's like watching a play, but with really, really good dialogue.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Yeah, the and the books are often like...
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: cut up into into books within the novel.
Chris: Mm hmm.
Tucker: so like there's a natural
Nate Day: Oh.
Tucker: Natural break point and then sometimes like a time jump So like it it works well to do that And.
Nate Day: Oh brilliant.
Tucker: And yeah, like. Like. Like you said, i i when I listened to Pride and Prejudice was when I was refinishing that cabinet. So I was just sanding. fruit.
Chris: Yeah.
Tucker: Like a day. and I just listened to the whole book and it
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: made everything. Easier.
Nate Day: Tolerable.
Chris: Ugh.
Nate Day: yeah
Tucker: Yeah.
Chris: Delightful. delight I'm jealous of... that day that you had.
Nate Day: I was going to say, that sounds like something Chris would do, actually.
Tucker: It was a pretty good day, yeah.
Nate Day: pound an audiobook while doing
Chris: 100%.
Chris: Just sanding.
Nate Day: some Like obscure cobby hobby, yeah.
Tucker: Something menial.
Chris: Yes. Yes.
Tucker: Yeah.
Chris: Refinishing cabinets is a regular thing.
Nate Day: No, I know, but you you do woodwork that is...
Chris: yeah
Nate Day: Building. Ancient.
Chris: Yeah, not regular thing.
Nate Day: instruments.
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: Right, yeah.
Chris: Yeah yeah
Nate Day: And that's why we love you.
Chris: different thing.
Nate Day: Uh,
Chris: no we we also touched on everything i wanted to bring up and i figured that would happen
Nate Day: I did too. I had written down some...
Chris: the the important bits came out.
Nate Day: questions Like one of the things I wrote down was Why? I actually wrote down these questions before diving into all my watching. Why are there so few adaptations of these three and so many of the...
Nate Day: Top three. And then I watched them and was like, oh, well, I know why.
Tucker: Oh.
Nate Day: that's
Chris: Yeah.
Nate Day: That's because they're not nearly as... exciting or or quite a special but
Chris: Honestly.
Nate Day: Nonetheless, I think that this was a great conversation. Very enlightening. i am Going to leave you both. with a recommend recommendation tucker i recommend you see the new sense and sensibility but brace yourself Chris, I'm gonna suggest.
Nate Day: you'd not watch it. You should watch the 95. You should watch the 95 version.
Chris: Word. Heard, Chef.
Nate Day: i think I think you'll find it.
Chris: Let him.
Nate Day: delightful and perfect and I kind of can't believe you haven't seen it because it's Hugh Grant in a Jane Austen adaptation.
Chris: Oh, Alan Rickman. What?
Tucker: Yeah.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: He really buried the lead on that. Oh, my gosh.
Tucker: He's Colonel Brandon. He's perfect.
Nate Day: Yeah, he really is good.
Chris: Oh! Why do I not recognize Emma Thompson?
Tucker: Because you haven't watched Love Actually as many times as I have.
Chris: Who is this human?
Nate Day: Are you where he gets that love of that movie from?
Chris: Bye. Can't imagine that's true.
Nate Day: My god, he he
Tucker: I might be part of it.
Nate Day: He loves that movie.
Chris: No, I had a weird... so college squad an old art professor at concordia he actually just passed last year Every Christmas he would invite it was his no lonely college students tradition any students who are stuck on campus
Nate Day: Oh like Orphan's Christmas?
Chris: and couldn't go home he he had a giant bunk room
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: in his house more or less built for this occasion. and so every year during Christmas break. He would just have all of them over. He was a recovering alcoholic so he didn't drink. But he loved buying beer.
Chris: for other people so there'd just be these piles of all of his former favorite beers. There was no discussion, no debate. We were watching Love Actually. And just as people passed out, they'd be shuffled up to this giant bunk room.
Nate Day: oh That's...
Chris: Delightful.
Nate Day: There's a lot to unpack there, but that's for another podcast, I think.
Chris: Delight.
Chris: Yeah, okay, great. Good. Yeah.
Nate Day: Thank you, Tucker, for joining us. It was really great to have you on. And I know I made jokes about it being 3D. three guys discussing jane austen but i think you know, we've I think we pulled it off.
Nate Day: I think we did it with love in our hearts. so I appreciate how much you...
Tucker: I hope so.
Nate Day: brought to the table and i I know I speak for Chris when I say that as well. And we'd love to have you back.
Tucker: Well thanks for having me.
Chris: yeah you're
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: I'll be back anytime.
Chris: You're representing your...
Tucker: I'll be back for the Dungeon Crawler Carl. once that miniseries comes out in a couple years.
Nate Day: Yes.
Chris: They have to be adopting it. Yeah.
Nate Day: they I think we're going to have to have a... a conference call podcast for that one based on how many of Chris's buddies are.
Tucker: Probably. Brett will want to be involved.
Chris: Yes.
Nate Day: Sawing through those. Yep. Yep.
Chris: Yep.
Nate Day: Cool.
Chris: Well, I'm glad, Tucker. for for People who wouldn't know because the episode never aired. We did attempt to have Tucker's wife many months ago on Hamnet and we had audio difficulties, which is why we have this.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: platform that we do now. so
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: Thank you, Hannah.
Chris: for
Nate Day: Yeah.
Chris: revealing that hole in our process.
Nate Day: Yes, yes. and We welcome both of you back to... adaptation we're like part of the Peterson family now.
Chris: Oh yeah.
Nate Day: I feel like.
Tucker: and Pretty much.
Nate Day: Yeah.
Tucker: Here you are in my basement.
Nate Day: That's great.
Nate Day: Thank you all for listening. Up next, we have another super episode, which was a really poor choice on our part. Chris, I don't know why we did that because we will be talking about William Shakespeare.
Chris: Yeah, what have we done?
Nate Day: So thank you for listening, and we look forward. to that discussion.
Tucker: Bye. bye
Chris: Bye.
Nate Day: Okay.
