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Repost Series: The Power of Reinvention: From Laid Off to Lit Up with Karley Stewart

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Title: The Power of Reinvention: From Laid Off to Lit Up with Karley Stewart

This week on The Goode Guide, we're getting real about career curveballs, identity shifts, and what it means to reinvent yourself—not just professionally, but personally.

I’m joined by the incredibly insightful and resilient Karley Stewart, a powerhouse leader whose career spans Nordstrom, Louis Vuitton, and Amazon. Carly and I first bonded over our shared corporate roots—rare in LA’s sea of creatives—and today’s conversation feels like chatting with a future version of myself. We cover it all: layoffs, leadership, letting go of old plans, and learning to love the pivots.

Carly opens up about her unexpected layoff just two weeks after relocating to New York, the emotional unraveling that followed, and the clarity she gained from hitting pause and leaning into self-discovery. Her story is an empowering reminder that your job may be what you do, but it’s not who you are—and that some of our biggest breakthroughs come wrapped in what first looks like breakdown.

From LA to the Corporate Grind
[2:24]
Shanarra shares what it was like moving to LA and not finding many peers in traditional 9–5 roles—until she met Karley, who mirrored her own corporate path and ambition.

Carly’s Early Career + Dream of Shoe Entrepreneurship
[6:03]
Karley  reflects on her early days in retail, her original dream of opening a shoe store, and how Nordstrom fast-tracked her leadership journey.

The Three P’s That Shaped Her Leadership Style
[10:35]
Karley introduces her “Three P’s”—People, Passion, Product—and how they became the north star for her leadership philosophy.

From Luxury to Tech: Transitioning to Amazon
[15:12]
We talk about the culture shock of moving from Louis Vuitton to Amazon and why her first role at Amazon didn’t quite fit—but still taught her invaluable lessons.

Boomerang Back: Why She Returned to Amazon
[20:45]
Karley shares what brought her back to Amazon and how working under two powerful women reignited her leadership confidence.

Layoff in a New City: When the Plan Falls Apart
[27:19]
Just weeks after moving to NYC, Karley was laid off. She opens up about the emotional fallout, identity loss, and what it taught her about self-worth beyond titles.

Rebuilding Through Reflection
[33:31]
From journaling to soul-searching, Karley walks us through the internal work she’s done to reconnect with what she truly wants.

Confidence and Curiosity: What She Wishes She Knew at 25
[39:12]
Karley reflects on the advice she’d give her younger self—and why confidence and curiosity are the keys to long-term growth.

The Power of Your Network
[44:00]
We talk about the importance of building strong relationships, especially when you're in transition—and why your network can often open more doors than your résumé.

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Introduction and Podcast Purpose

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Hey there, welcome to The Good Guide, your ultimate career companion. I'm Shannara Good and I've been on quite the career roller coaster from the trenches of entry-level positions to the boardrooms as a now more seasoned professional.
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Believe me when I say i have been there and know that I've acquired some wisdom over the years that I cannot wait to share with you. Ever felt like you're on your career journey solo?
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Or maybe you're curious about conquering career plateaus, overcoming imposter syndrome, or leading with unwavering confidence. Well, I promise you are in the right place.
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Every week, my guests and I will share our own challenges and successes. We'll talk about everything from career development to leadership to even work-life balance. Expect a healthy dose of authenticity and, of course, our tips and tricks that will have you navigating your career with a newfound confidence.
00:00:58
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Don't miss out on the knowledge drop, y'all. Hit that like, subscribe, and follow button on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Trust me, you won't want to miss an episode.
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Speaker
Because this is the good guide where we're not just chasing success, we're defining it. Are you ready to elevate your career game?

Career Landscapes: LA vs New York

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Let's dive in.
00:01:26
Speaker
So I say this a lot. Um, after moving to LA. One of the biggest differences that I found from New York to LA is just the types of jobs and careers that people have. you know It was really rare, especially earlier into me moving and living in l LA, it was really rare rare to find somebody.
00:01:49
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that lived a similar corporate lifestyle to me, you know a nine to five, a kind of like that that corporate hustle, that grind.
00:02:00
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you know Most of the friends that I had when I first moved here and even still have They are in real estate or they're in a creative job or they're in some form of the entertainment industry. And so their days and their lifestyles and just kind of how they go about living is just different.

Introducing Carly Stewart

00:02:21
Speaker
And so today's guest that I have on was probably one of the first people that met really got to know that almost had in some ways an identical career experience and not in terms of, you know, um having the same jobs, but we're in similar industries.
00:02:48
Speaker
We've had similar learnings. She's about, i think she probably has maybe what, seven to 10 years of additional work experience and um than I do and so it was it's been really cool to get to know Carly Stewart who's today's guest she's actually a friend of a friend of mine and we met and kind of immediately hit it off because again we were both in in the corporate world and over the years as I've gotten to know her, i see a lot of kind of what I hope to or what I aspire to be in time in terms of just kind of like this confidence that she she walks around with.
00:03:30
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You know, she's just such a determined and sure individual. And whether or not she maybe feels that about herself,
00:03:44
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I see that in her. And so it's just been such a ah cool experience getting to know Carly.

Carly's Career Challenges and Growth

00:03:51
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But I wanted to bring her on the podcast today because, again, we have such parallels in our in our corporate experiences.
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And she's she's just relocated from Los Angeles to LA. So she kind of did the reverse the reverse you know move than what I did. and And it's been fun kind of talking to her through this transition.
00:04:16
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And I won't give too much away, but during this conversation, we also talk about um her recent change in and employment status. You know, she she has just gone through ah layoff of, you know, as a result of, you know, kind of what's going on in the in the corporate um world right now. There's layoffs happening left and right. And so we talk about that a little bit, but One of the the coolest things was that I was able to really share you know my experience in being laid off also in New York.
00:04:48
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um and Actually, not even laid off. I was fired while living in New York, and it's one of the best cities I think you could possibly live in. that will shake things up and just kind of teach you about yourself and about really what you want and some of your biggest aspirations. So I'll stop rambling now, but this was a really fun episode to record because I really did in some ways feel like I was talking to my future self.
00:05:13
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um And that's one of those experiences that you don't don't always get to have. And so it was a really fun um environment to be able to to have that that feeling within. So hope you enjoy this episode. And yeah, we'll dive right in. Welcome, Carly.
00:05:32
Speaker
All right. Hi. How's it going? Good morning. It's good. It's so good to see you. happy with you. I'm very jealous that you are um in New York. I feel like I'm i'm getting the New York energy through screen.
00:05:47
Speaker
Through the screen? so through the Listen, other than the weather, which I'm very jealous of your weather, literally still every day look at what LA weather is. And I shouldn't do that to myself. Don't torture yourself. Yes.
00:06:00
Speaker
Total torture. But no, the energy, you know, you've lived here. Like the vibe and the energy is just, it's it's different. So it's good. I know. know. I really need to get back. But okay. Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast today. This is so exciting um just for everyone listening.
00:06:18
Speaker
It's crazy because i guess I've, when when did we officially meet? I think it probably was like when I came to 4th of July, was it would it have been that? it it well oh no no no It was before then. I think it was the election.
00:06:31
Speaker
i think it was in 2020 around the election. It was some political thing. It was either the election and or it was like marching, ah you know, in Hollywood. yeah Exactly. Exactly.

Carly and Shannara's Shared Experiences

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That's so crazy. But it's, but even then i feel like we were constantly surrounded by people that were not necessarily in a traditional kind of nine to five or like a corporate setting.
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So I do remember like kind of immediately being, Ooh, wow. I finally know an adult in LA that, like has a similar schedule that I do. um so I'm really excited.
00:07:04
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I, you know, everything happens for a reason and people connect and, and, you know, a relationships form different, different periods of our lives. But I'm like, I've been listening to your podcast. And so I, I first, before we jump in, want to honestly give you so many props, like, I am fascinated by it, the people that you have on, the wisdom that you're sharing. And it's very bold of you. And I know in your first podcast, you were saying yeah how you tried to dabble in it and it didn't work.
00:07:33
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And now you're coming back. I got to tell you, I think like I'm sending nothing but good energy out there for you for this and all, you know, and and continue to get more listeners because it's you're sharing some really good stuff. And it make it's made me man when I was in L.A.,
00:07:49
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We could have been having so many cocktails. I know. chatting about our corporate journey together. So in whatever reason why we're kind of coming back together for these conversations now, I'm glad that we're doing it.
00:08:04
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Thank you so much. That was very kind of you to say.

Carly's Career Journey and Leadership Philosophy

00:08:07
Speaker
um Well, let's jump in. I want everyone to kind of get a sense of your background. on you I know you and I have talked a little bit um around how you got started, but just kind of take us through like how you got to where you are today.
00:08:21
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Yeah. um You know, it's interesting. I think um I was, again, you know, listening to you and and and your podcast and your journey. And I was thinking to myself, I'm like, my mine was very different.
00:08:32
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You knew what you wanted to do. You were like, yeah I wanted to be in corporate and fashion. Like you knew. I really didn't. um And I think as I'm getting older and I'm more tenured and senior senior in my career, I mean, I'm going on 20 years in corporate America. It's okay. um Like, it's okay that I didn't know what I wanted to do. I went to, grew up in suburbs of Chicago, went to University of Kansas for my first two years of college. I had no idea what I was going to study when went.
00:09:02
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I just knew I was supposed to go to college, so go. And I didn't know what I wanted. um i got to a point at KU where just the school and the environment and the culture of that college was not the It just was not resonating with me. And so I knew I i wanted to leave KU, loved the city, so decided I wanted to go back to Chicago. And I started looking at ah colleges in Chicago and different programs that they had.
00:09:27
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And I stumbled upon Columbia College and a music business degree. And I saw that and he like yeah and it hit me and I was like, oh my God, I love music, have such a passion for it.
00:09:40
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Not a musician, not in class at all, but passionate about it. And i really didn't even realize that there was such a thing as the business side. had never thought about it. So I moved back to Chicago, finished my two years at Columbia College with ah what was considered an arts, entertainment, media um degree. And I concentrated and So my goal and my aspiration was actually to get into the music industry.
00:10:06
Speaker
Had an intern at the House of Blues. Such a great couple years of my life. um And met a lot of great people in the music industry, but it was, a and and I think today still, it's a challenging industry. yeah It's really challenging. And I was not confident enough and I was too young and too vulnerable to really pursue it.
00:10:29
Speaker
And so I got shut down a couple of times too many and just And dog broke your confidence. It really did. Yeah, it really did. And I thought, okay, well, what are you passionate about?
00:10:42
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Don't laugh, but I'm like, I love fashion and I love shoes. Yeah, yeah. So decided to... Hey, why the hell not? or Right? So I'm like, start a shoe business.
00:10:53
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So I decided to join a couple women's entrepreneurial organizations in Chicago and do some market research. And I wanted to open up a shoe store. I was working at a nightclub at the time and I was telling one of the bartenders what I wanted to do. And she actually was a VM, visual merchandiser, at Northrop.
00:11:12
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And she said, well, if you want to open up your own shoe store, you should work at Nordstrom. Like everybody knows Nordstrom is like the place for- Oh Creme de la creme of retail experience, all of that. Yeah, yeah all of that. You'll meet buyers. you'll meet you know You'll meet everybody that you need to know to open up your own shoe store. I can get you in.
00:11:30
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So find myself working in the shoe store on Michigan Avenue. at If you're, if people- Oh yeah, it's still there, baby. i love that one. Yeah, 220. Um, and I just, I went in there in sales and I don't remember why, but I do remember telling my manager, put me on the fast track.
00:11:49
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I want to learn and I want to be a manager. I don't want to stay in sales. Put me on this fast track. And I think at that point it was really probably now that I'm reflecting on it because I wanted to use this as a stepping stone to start my own business. So I knew I needed to like learn.
00:12:04
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Get there quickly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I had a great manager that was like, okay, let's do it. And she threw me in and I just kept kind of moving up the ranks um and being very vocal about the fact that I wanted to continue to grow.
00:12:18
Speaker
um What did I need to do to do it? And so I spent, you know, a long time at at Nordstrom and then kind of, that's just kind of where, and it's funny. I think a lot of people in retail, it's just kind of like, kind of fell into it.
00:12:31
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Yeah, absolutely. It really is. and then along the way i realized that i really was passionate about the people side of things that i was really good at leading people um in in a very authentic way and i think you know when i think about kind of my mission and vision and who I am as a leader.
00:12:53
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i I go back to Nordstrom and I took three, i kind of coined this thing for myself. I called it the three Ps, which were people, passion and product. And I kind of have always lived by that and thought if you've got the right people,
00:13:08
Speaker
You got everybody's passionate about what you're doing and you have the right product. You will have a successful business. Yeah. The people part was so important to me because I actually had a really bad leader at Nordstrom.
00:13:20
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really bad. And me and her did not get along, had very different views on how to lead people. and I think some people might've been very discouraged by her. um And I just looked at it like, I'm going to use this as a learning experience of how I don't want to be as a leader, what I don't want to emulate in you and how I can be better.
00:13:42
Speaker
um And that kind of put me on the trajectory of You know, of corporate America, of retail and and from Nordstrom. I spent seven years there and then I got recruited to Louis Vuitton.
00:13:54
Speaker
Spent seven years there um and then it decided I wanted to get my MBA while I was still at Vuitton and decided after my MBA, I wanted to shake things up.
00:14:05
Speaker
Yeah. And so I went to Amazon and I swung the pendulum. I joke. I'm like, I think I swung the pendulum a little too far um because it was not in fashion. It was not in retail. Yes. Very mass. that i mean, that's pretty much as mass as you as you get. or yeah Yeah. And I was working out of a warehouse and it was great. It was a great experience for me. I launched a new program for them.
00:14:32
Speaker
um ended up being a boomerang for the company. So I left and then ended up going going back, but, um, and then went back into, um, retail. And so just kind of had, had, had my trajectory that way.
00:14:44
Speaker
So what ended up, whatever, like what ultimately made you say no to the shoe, the shoe business? ah So my market research, honestly. So I, yeah, it's funny. I actually remember I had a whole business plan, like a whole thing.
00:14:59
Speaker
I had about six different um shoe stores that I was watching, watching them grow. i had met the owners. They were very, ah um you know, willing to kind of help give me some of their, not all their financials, but yeah some of them. Yeah. and I don't know if it was just the companies I chose or the time, the economy, but literally like I think out of the six that I was kind of following, I think five shut their doors within ah within like six to eight months of me um following them.
00:15:32
Speaker
And so i think I think it was a combination of that, but I also think once I got in To Nordstrom, I just really got a groove and I just really liked what I was doing and thought, you know, I, if I ever want to have a shoe store again and and be an entrepreneur, I can, but I was doing really well at Nordstrom. I was being, I was successful and I liked what I was doing. So I think I just kind of thought, let me just, let me keep going this way.
00:15:57
Speaker
Yeah. It's crazy when like the hooks of a good organization kind of plant themselves into you. It's very hard to ah like detach from that.
00:16:11
Speaker
I think there's this like it's got to be some like so so like sociological or whatever thing. as us as humans kind of like wanting this like safe place to land, you know what i mean?
00:16:24
Speaker
And wanting this stability, at least if you're someone who, again, and enjoys being in the corporate space. But I, cause I feel that same way about Target ah just kind of like, God, they just got their hooks into me. And I immediately was like, all right, this is, wow, this is like a really, I was flourishing and really enjoying that environment. And that's so hard to un duplicate solo.
00:16:48
Speaker
i You don't have the people, you know?

Motivation and Leadership Insights

00:16:51
Speaker
No, I agree. And I think what I love and and some organizations do it really well. Target, Nordstrom, and I know there's many out there.
00:17:00
Speaker
ah My tenure with Vuitton was fantastic. yeah They do it really well. actually heard a lot of really good things about like the business side. ah Yeah, I really love LVMH, I think just in general, but Vita, at least my experience was yeah phenomenal.
00:17:15
Speaker
And some so some organizations just do it really well where, you know, for me, i love leading, but I also like to be led. And so those organizations have really good leaders.
00:17:28
Speaker
to lead you as well. Even as it even today and in my tenure and in my seniority, I like to be led by by like-minded people, by by people who you know are people-centric and passionate about what we do, push me, but also nurture me a little bit along the way, but get me out of my comfort zone and and see um you know see the potential in me. So um I think there's certain organizations that do that really well. And yeah, Nordstrom.
00:17:58
Speaker
Nordstrom got me. Yeah, no, absolutely. One of my, something that I live by um is you work hard for people who work hard for you. And I think that like, as I naturally want to perform at my tip top shape for my leader, because I know they have, you know, given me so much and they have poured into me so much. And it's like, those are the people that you really want to show up for.
00:18:24
Speaker
So what was that experience like for you, whether it be at Nordstrom, whether it be at Amazon, like what were some of those moments or who were some of those people um and the emotions that they maybe evoked for you to like show up and like really excel in your role?
00:18:41
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I think, um you know, I think being very candid, I think almost every single role that I've had, I've been pretty fortunate to have leaders that I really respect.
00:18:51
Speaker
Yeah, um somebody in the space that that I'm working closely with. But the most recent example, I think, um, of kind of what you were saying was me going back to Amazon.
00:19:03
Speaker
When I left Amazon, and again, i tell people very candidly that 18 months that I was there, um the first time was one of the most pivotal career and life-changing experiences for me. Amazon just does things on.
00:19:18
Speaker
Oh my God. insane. it's It's actually terrifying. But I mean, imagine going from Vuitton of seven years, which like rooted in, you know, 160 plus years of his inheritance. Yep. Kind of show that mom and pop type of feel. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:37
Speaker
It's a French company. Nothing gets done quickly. Right. Exactly. We take two-hour lunches still. Yeah. I don't ever change anything. Yeah. And then I go to Amazon where everything is just speed of light. Their thought process, their just, I mean, literally the culture is so incredibly unique. And so that's why I think that first time around, it was like, not only did I go into a completely different industry, so to speak, but just learning Amazon, it was a lot.
00:20:10
Speaker
But at that time, I had a coworker who worked in the marketing department. So I was um in the field and I was building the the the field team ah for the program. And I met and worked with this woman, Sandhya, who was on the marketing team. And so we did a lot of events together and and ah she was a coworker of mine, but I just...
00:20:31
Speaker
there was something about her and she had a pretty successful tenure at Amazon. So she, the way she spoke, the way she knows the business, the way she knows how to navigate, ah she is master at people like navigation. Like she just, it it was fascinating to me to listen to her in these big meetings, talk about the business, talk about how we wanted to grow, you know, grow the business. And, and I really,
00:21:02
Speaker
I'm very big on curiosity and. hundred percent. and and listening, right. And, and finding somebody that you're like, man, how, how can I be like that?
00:21:12
Speaker
Like that's what she does and how she just, you know, talks about this business. And so I really gravitated towards her because i I feel like she's, she's great and she's an expert in her space. And then just on a personal level, we just got along. We just had a great, great great relationship. And so when I left, um,
00:21:33
Speaker
I'd gone to another company for a little bit and she gave me a phone call kind of at a time, right when I was thinking about potentially leaving the company I was with prior. um And she said, you're never going to guess. She said, I'm now on the fashion side with Amazon.
00:21:49
Speaker
And it was funny. i I had to have like six conversations with her. i was like, Sandhya, I don't know. I don't know. I don't, you know, I know. Right, right, right, right. I don't know if it's time, it's gotten with the right time. Yeah, yeah.
00:22:00
Speaker
Yeah. Or just that I didn't think I would go back to Amazon. I really didn't. And then i just, the more I talked to her and then found out that another leader of our business from the program I had worked with her, name asked mar um she's super successful career.
00:22:15
Speaker
Um, She also moved over. So both of them were basically running. It was a personal shopper for Amazon. They were both running the program. And I just, I thought to myself, man, you are both two super inspirational women who I know are going to trust me.
00:22:33
Speaker
but you're going to push me. um And I want to work for women. I want to work for two really impactful, powerful women mean that I know I can learn from. And that is literally ultimately, i mean, the role itself was fantastic. And i yeah it was it was a great opportunity, but it really was those two women that made me say, i will come back to Amazon for you because I know I can learn.
00:22:59
Speaker
And what was the because I i too is another thing that we've talked about before. Like I too am a boomerang. And i think first of all, also too, how um I definitely thought that boomerang was a term that we like we only used at Target. So um I didn't realize this was like a ah ah a corporate you know slogan thing. But um anyway, so I too am a boomerang. And i i've I've even shared this on the podcast before. But like what i remember leaving When I left Target, it was number one, it was, well, actually, no, the first time I left Target, because technically I'm a two-time boomerang.
00:23:37
Speaker
But the first time I left Target, it was one of those things where it was just kind of like, um I and needed a bit of a humbling. I felt like my britches, what's that saying? Like when your britches get too big for your whatever.
00:23:49
Speaker
Um, like I just needed to kind of be kicked down a couple of notches and I came on back. And then the second time I left target, like I really did think it was going to be for good, um and nothing to do with the company and everything to do with the fact that we weren't working remotely. And I really wanted to live in New York.
00:24:05
Speaker
Um, but what was it that kind of made you feel like, all right, maybe my time at Amazon is done. um and, and you ultimately left for, for that time. That first time, right?
00:24:16
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Honestly, it was the role, to be honest with you. It was, i can be very honest and say probably within the first four months of that role. I knew it wasn't, knew it wasn't it.
00:24:29
Speaker
I knew it wasn't, but I, I told myself going to commit to a year. Yeah. Said I will stick this out for a year and then I'll start looking. And so ultimately I not roll for 18 months.
00:24:41
Speaker
Um, but just, it, it just, there was something in me. I'm like, it's just not a fit for me. It's yeah. I just, I just kind of knew. Um, yeah. That's okay. Right. I think absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:54
Speaker
In corporate America or just in life in general, like if you really aren't feeling like it's the right fit for you, it's okay. But I would tell people, um, you know, I was in a talent acquisition and recruitment as well. And obviously being a people leader, ah constantly, give it a, give it a shot. Don't, don't like leave, you know, four months after it, dedicate yourself to a year because you're still going to learn something from it.
00:25:20
Speaker
There's always valuable lessons, even if it's not the best boss, or even if it's not the best role, there's always lessons to learn and, and ability to grow ah both personally and professionally.
00:25:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, no, I definitely agree. I think that um the time, because at the end of the day, like, let's be real, it takes at least a good three to five months to even feel like, all right, I know what I'm doing in my role.
00:25:48
Speaker
um i feel really good. I've got it down. And so to leave any any like sooner that I would say even like nine months, it would just feel like you don't quite even have a grasp or like a level of comfortability to- Excel.
00:26:03
Speaker
And so a lot of that, I feel like it's like us running away from the feeling of failure or the feeling of like, I'm not doing the job properly, but you aren't doing the job properly because you're still learning it, you know? Yeah. um That's so spot on.
00:26:18
Speaker
And I've kind of coined ah recently since moving to New York this year.

Navigating Corporate Environments

00:26:23
Speaker
Being comfortable in the uncomfortable. Oh, my God. it's not easy, especially for corporate, you know, corporate girlies. It's like your point when when you come from a role, most likely where you knew what you were doing, you were excelling at it and you take a new role. Like, OK, especially if it's a new company, yeah it's a whole world. you' You're having to prove yourself again. Plus, you're learning and it can be really it can it can terrifying, terrifying.
00:26:53
Speaker
Absolutely. And yeah, and it kind of kicked your confidence. um But I was listening actually to your guest that you had, Janice Hoyt. Yeah. yeah You spoke a lot of things that just resonated so. Oh, yay.
00:27:08
Speaker
Yeah. And a lot of the same just, ah just um I think, feelings about corporate America and confidence is a big one. And she kind of said something that I was you know possibly going to share as well, which is,
00:27:22
Speaker
At the end of the day, everybody's human. So even the VP of the company, even, you know, the CEO, it's like, it takes a long time. And don't get me wrong. If I'm in a walk in the room with the CEO, I'm probably even to this day in my, in my tenure, still going to be a little nervous.
00:27:38
Speaker
Still shitting my pants. Absolutely. at the end of the day, they are still human and they are also always battling with their own confidence and their own ability to say, am I doing my job correctly? Right? Like, because everybody has that at your level, no matter what level you're at, you're always wanting to strive to be better. You're always wanting to, to improve. And so yeah even at the CEO level, like,
00:28:06
Speaker
they're questioning themselves from time to time. They're they're wondering, you know um am I- If anything, they're probably doing it more than anybody else, honestly. It's like the higher you go up, I think that's something that like we don't realize. And what i'm I've realized as being a leader of people is like the higher I've gone up, the less certain I am about the decisions that I'm making because they're impacting people now. like right They're not just impacting- you know financials are like actually impacting someone's life, someone's day.
00:28:35
Speaker
so it's like, i i'm all way I'm constantly, and not and that's not to say I'm not confident. I'm just constantly kind of measuring and trying to decide if like my decision is the right decision for whatever situation I'm being faced with.
00:28:51
Speaker
um Because there is that trickle down effect. And when you lead people, like you've got to think about how it's going to impact more than you, like more than yourself, you have to think about other people.
00:29:02
Speaker
Absolutely. And then you bring in that there's so many different personalities and dynamics in your, and it's, cool yeah and I often say, you know, if if I could give advice to people who are wanting to pursue a career in leadership, I mean, there's, there's a lot of, a lot of advice that I would share, but um becoming really close with HR has been really important and and impactful in my career. And I think it's really important as a people leader because that's what they do, right? Their specialty is the people side of things.
00:29:35
Speaker
But from that, ah from that um I think, angle of sitting down with them and really understanding where HR is yeah with the company and where the company is going. Like you can be a better leader if you have a great relationship with HR and um understand like what like what's make what's on HR's plate this month, right? What's top of mind for ah HR? um And so that you can make sure that your business decisions and the way that you're leading your team
00:30:09
Speaker
are not only and to be impactful for you, your team, but also for the future state of the company and kind of what's top of mind um with HR. Cause obviously whatever is top of mind with HR is top of mind with the VPs and CEOs.
00:30:21
Speaker
Yep. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I know I, it's funny. Cause even when I was, um, recording my intro for my episode with Janice, I'd kind of even said that very thing. Like, um,
00:30:32
Speaker
it's It's different when you get to get to larger corporations. I would say that like you know when I was at Honest, which is where her and I overlap, we were a smaller organization. And so that ability to connect with HR felt a lot more personal.
00:30:45
Speaker
And like I think even being able to... I remember when I gave my resignation and it was right around the time that we were having like reviews and bonuses and I had a really candid conversation with her. And I think like because of the um candidness and my, I guess, I don't know, my willingness to show up and like be kind of a part of a conversation when I was resigning, as opposed to just being me being like, hey, I'm leaving, bye.
00:31:09
Speaker
it changed the way I left, right? And it changed um the, I think the willingness for people to work with me no after that. um yeah Versus I will say at a bigger corporation, I think what gets difficult is like,
00:31:23
Speaker
I have an HR business partner, right? But like that person's the HR business partner for a lot of other teams as well. And so you lose some of that like ability to really like connect with them one-on-one.
00:31:34
Speaker
And I think it's created this level of, think just lack of trust, if I were to be completely honest, um just because it's I'm not interfacing with them every day.
00:31:44
Speaker
And so I would agree. I think like when you when you are able to get close with HR, I think you feel this level of like, okay, i'm I've got the right tools in my toolbox to to be able to support my team or or whatever that looks like. But when you don't have that, I will say it's I've definitely struggled a lot more in my role the first time being a leader of people not being connected to HR in the way that I think one should be.
00:32:09
Speaker
um So that's an interesting, Yeah. but Does Target have a culture where you can just set up one-on-ones? Yes, absolutely. Once a month? We can. It's just like, it's the calendar management.
00:32:22
Speaker
but Another, feel like it's like big actually getting on someone's calendar part of it, which again, I'm like, these are the things that people don't tell you when it comes to working. And again, as you get higher in your career.
00:32:34
Speaker
As you get higher in career, you know what the hardest thing is? Getting on someone's freaking calendar. yeah You just got to get in there. Yeah. So, but no, yeah, we do we do have a culture of that. And I'd say like in general, like Target's really good about that kind of stuff. It's just more so like, it's one of those things where when you're going through a you know, I don't want a crisis of of some sort or when you really need to have that conversation, that's when it's like harder to like,
00:32:58
Speaker
when you can't get on someone's calendar or when you we can't have that conversation immediately, that's where it kind of gets a little bit like, oh God, I'm working through this issue and I need to talk about it now. Yeah. but Yeah, I understand.
00:33:10
Speaker
Yeah. um Okay. So you transitioned recently to New York and you did so with Amazon. So you just made the decision to basically kind of say, hey, Amazon, I'm moving, support me or nah.
00:33:24
Speaker
And they did. So you moved to New York and kind of what's what's been going on since then. yeah Yeah. So, um, yeah, so I, you new New York's always been on my list.
00:33:34
Speaker
yeah And I'm definitely as an individual, I'm definitely somebody who, as I kind of spoke of earlier, like curiosity, trying new things like, you know, I, I'm never going to be somebody who would be a no shade to people who, who like a nine to five behind the desk every single day, doing the same thing and staying in that job and at that company and that role forever.
00:33:57
Speaker
That's not me. I always want to try new things. And so New York has kind of always been on the list. And um I, you know, I moved to l L.A.
00:34:08
Speaker
when I was like 27, I guess. And I was there for 17 years. That's when I moved to L.A. I was 27. Yeah. ah I got a few years on you, but yeah. um And I never really thought I'd be in LA that 17 years. I'm like, oh my God. And so i remember leaving Chicago and just saying, you can always come back.
00:34:29
Speaker
And then 17 years later, I was there. And so I, over the course of, i want to say a couple of years, I really kind of was toying with, do I move to New York? What do I do with my house? Like, are you ready to pick up your life? And Honestly, I just woke up one day, I was sitting out on my back porch, it was in the summer and it was like end of June. And I thought, Carly, you have a remote job and there's offices in New York and you know that you can move to New York with your role. Do it. Now is the time, lease your house, Airbnb, at whatever. you can always come back, just do it and commit to a year or two and see what happens.
00:35:06
Speaker
And so that's what I I literally like made that decision. And at that point it was like called my boss. They were like, yeah, not a problem. Like you have an office in New York.
00:35:17
Speaker
um At the same exact time i got, it was literally couldn't have been more than two weeks after I made the decision. i get a couple emails and messages from couple, one person who I'd worked with at personal shopper.
00:35:33
Speaker
um And then another woman and they reached out to me about a new role and to be the national leader of Amazon style stores. So I'm not sure if you're familiar, but there's one in Glendale and then one in Ohio.
00:35:47
Speaker
And with my retail background, you know, anyway, so they courted me and basically just said, like, you are the perfect person for this. They were going through a big revision of kind of.
00:35:58
Speaker
what they thought ah the store should be, realizing their first kind of version of the stores wasn't correct. And they needed to do some, some revamping. So I was to come in and basically kind of revamp the whole front of house operations, talent side of things, all that good stuff.
00:36:14
Speaker
And I thought, great, great opportunity. I would love to do this. However, I literally just made the decision to move to New York. Yeah. So are you guys okay if I move New York?
00:36:25
Speaker
And they were. They thought, absolutely. Actually, it's better because I was closer to the Ohio store. So totally worked out with this new role. Super excited. Got here mid-October and I think two weeks after I got here. Got that dreadful last-minute meeting put on your calendar. i was in the office and it was that like...
00:36:47
Speaker
mandatory last minute meeting. And I've been in corporate America too long to know, like, I i know what that means. And I reached out to my coworker who oversaw the in-store VM team. And I thought, do you know what this meeting is? He's like, I don't. I said, well, if it's your team and my team and we don't know what's going on, I'm like, this, this isn't good. And sure enough, they made the announcement that day that they were closing the store. So about 300 plus people lost their roles. And so my transition to New York has been anything but what I what i thought it was going to be. um So, you know, I've been in the in a transition state right now. But I genuinely believe everything happens for a reason. And so I will be honest as...
00:37:34
Speaker
a corporate career woman. I remember having a conversation with my sister when, when it happened. Yeah. And I told her, I just flowed out of my mouth. I said, i feel like I lost up ah who I am. Like, I feel like I lost my identity.
00:37:51
Speaker
And I said it and it was like, whoa. Oh my God. Like that and and that is exactly what happened. I have identified as a career corporate woman for so long yeah that when that was taken away from me,
00:38:06
Speaker
I was like, who am i What, what am I, what do I do now? Like, that's what I know. I know how to run a business and get in there and be a leader and, you know, do the corporate grind. Um, and I love it.
00:38:19
Speaker
And that's what makes me tick and what now? And so, um very transparently, you know, self-disclosing for, for you and and for your listeners. And if it happens to help one person, yeah I've taken these last months to really do a lot of self-discovery, a lot of reading, a lot of journaling, a lot of meditating. And I've toyed with the idea of entrepreneurship, right? I'm like, well, is this the universe telling you, you should go and be a consultant and you should be an entrepreneur. And,
00:38:49
Speaker
It was funny because um couldn't have been more than like a month ago. I woke up and I i think I might've shared this with you. I woke up and I just, I kind of had to laugh and I thought Carly,
00:39:02
Speaker
you are a career you are a corporate girlie. That's fine. Fool yourself. Right. For like all the stress that that there is in corporate America, the reward that you get, the accomplishments that you feel when when you launch a project or promote somebody or when you hire and build a new team, like that is what gives you life. Like that is what makes you happy and tick and you're good at it. Like, stop fooling yourself. Maybe later in life.
00:39:36
Speaker
I don't, you know, I don't know that I'll ever see myself completely retiring. you way yeah You know, be able to you know, float down a river at 70. Not living in New York or LA, not with those prices.
00:39:50
Speaker
But I think I'll always want to be doing something. And so maybe later in my career, that's where I can kind of dabble into, you know, consulting, coaching

Networking and Career Aspirations

00:39:59
Speaker
like that. But yeah, I just, I thought to myself, stop kidding yourself, Carly. Like you, you are corporate through and through and for all the crazy that it is, like you love it. And so get back to it. You're going to be fine. yeah I've built really, really strong network over my career. And I would tell people, I think,
00:40:19
Speaker
That's really important as well is, um, you know, and when I look back, I think there's a couple of things that I would have done differently earlier, um, in my career and, and that kind of networking, um, or you talk a lot about how you're part, part of, you know, employee groups and things like that.
00:40:39
Speaker
I think that's so important. And I think they're more prevalent now than they were when I started my career. oh a ah hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. But i never I never really joined that. I never got into organizations externally from my company. And I do wish that I had done that. I definitely am doing that now.
00:40:55
Speaker
And through my tenure, i've again, I've made great connections. But I think that's really important because your resume is only going to get you so far. Your network is what's really going to open doors for you and yep honestly land you roles. Yeah.
00:41:10
Speaker
Well, your network is going to be who so like provides your resume. Your network is who's the one who like ah actually offers it up and also keep keeps an ear open for what they think you might be interested in. yeah i'm like i feel like my network has actually done a lot more for me than just like cold calling or cold you know applying for things because my network knows me.
00:41:34
Speaker
and knows the roles and and has that insider information that I don't have, whether I'm external to the organization or even external to just the team. But that network is really going to be that kind of eyes and ears for you, um no matter what organization you're part of. um So yeah, definitely, definitely agree.
00:41:54
Speaker
Agree with that. yeah I think your network also helps you um like open, I guess kind of just keep your horizons open, right? Like I've always been somebody that, you know, I can't tell you where I'm going to be in five years. I don't i don't know. um yeah What I know is I want to continue to earn money.
00:42:12
Speaker
continue to earn it. Super fair. I've had a lot of career conversations with people and maybe for another podcast about, I you've had it as well, but um about, you know, fighting for your pay. And I, let's not fool anybody. We're working because we want to get paid. So correct.
00:42:30
Speaker
to Increase my wealth. Yeah. Also challenge myself. Like i think for me, and my career has always been about where am I going to feel challenged? Where am I going be able to add value, um help people? And so as long as I'm kind of doing that, um you know, I think, you know, where I'll be in five years, I don't know. I did just sign up for um a certificate to become a certified organizational development coach.
00:42:58
Speaker
So it's a six month. Yeah. That was exciting. um super excited about that. Again, you know, I think just that self-learning and continually trying to educate myself um is important to me in my career.
00:43:12
Speaker
um And I've had moments where I'm kind of, I was in career transitions and I'm like, I don't know what I want to do. And through my network, through HR, through conversations, through self-discovery, it was kind of like, okay, well maybe, you know, take this, this career journey. My resume, if you look at it, and I've had a lot of conversations with VPs of HR, obviously, recently, and they're like, you have real interesting resume. I'm like, I do. i went from luxury to Amazon.
00:43:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. To get back into luxury. um Yeah. But it's it's interesting. And as long as you, I think, can speak to your journey and you can, you get something from every role that you've had, you're going to set up for success.
00:43:58
Speaker
Yeah. i I get the same comment about my resume. And honestly, it's the one of the biggest compliments because to me, it was actually very intentional. Like not at the time that I was doing it, but also at the time that I ah was doing it. kind of hard to explain. Like At the at time that I had made career pivots, a lot of it was like because I wanted and or needed a job.
00:44:18
Speaker
But at the same time, i also made the decision to either apply for a job in a very intentional way. Like I knew that there were certain skill sets that I was looking for, or I knew there were certain roles that I wanted to be a part of.
00:44:34
Speaker
And I feel like those that's how I made a lot of my decisions. um But secondarily, I want to go back to um you even talking about moving to New York and kind of things, not crashing and burning, but you know rejiggering unexpectedly, we'll call it that.
00:44:50
Speaker
But I literally had the same thing happen to me. And I've talked about it a few different times now. But like when I moved to New York and I had a, my intention was to, I had a job, they had relocated me, all of that.
00:45:02
Speaker
Nothing went to plan. Nothing went to plan, not just once, but twice. I had two different jobs in the span of six months, one of which I quit because I hated and the other of which I was fired because I was So upset about how my target or not my target, my New York plan had just kind of like yeah crash and burn.
00:45:25
Speaker
I felt like I was like really not showing up as my best self. But that being said, had I not been in New York, During that time, like had I have been in any other city, I don't know that I would have gotten that like much needed spark that only New York, only New York can like give you.
00:45:46
Speaker
Like New York has just got this way of... chewing you up and spinning you out like as a better version of yourself and a more nimble, a more strategic person of yourself. And I always say to people, at least two years, just give New York two years and it will like pay you back tenfold.

New York's Impact on Growth

00:46:06
Speaker
um Because there was just so much that I learned about myself.
00:46:10
Speaker
not about any Honestly, not about there was it wasn't a job. It wasn't anything like that. that it was It taught me more about myself and what I was capable of than any other city that I'd lived in. And I've lived in quite a few.
00:46:22
Speaker
um But New York was, you know, it'll always be that place for me that just kind of like changed the trajectory of kind of my thought process and the way I look at the world. Absolutely. Absolutely. And like, honestly, I feel the exact same way. I, when everything happened, I mean, everybody was like, Oh, are you going to move back to LA? I said, no, I said, I am here for a reason because if I had lost, they had shut the program down.
00:46:46
Speaker
um while I was in LA, I would not have moved New York. Like the, I need structure in my life That girl would not have moved. And I thought, no, I said it happened for a reason. I'm not going to lie. i definitely have had my days, right? Where I'm like, oh gosh, I can't actually believe that this happened.
00:47:08
Speaker
um But I have more good days than I do bad because I'm not all spiritual on your podcast, but I really believe everything happens for a reason. Oh, a hundred percent. but said like It wasn't your plan when you came to New York. This certainly was not my plan. But it's the universe's plan.
00:47:26
Speaker
then There's a greater plan for it. And so I just have to trust in the process. and yeah in the meantime, continue to do things that are going to fulfill me and grow me personally.
00:47:37
Speaker
If you're my fair, right? What does Carly want to learn about herself? What can New York teach Yeah. And then just, you know, it the the role and the opportunity will come and the right one is out there.
00:47:50
Speaker
um yeah But take taking it all in strides. Yeah. Nothing always goes the way that we that we plan sometimes. It never does. it absolutely never does. And honestly, it's the most frustrating and, again, rewarding thing.
00:48:04
Speaker
Yeah. Because you know, right? Like you know you're going to be able to look back. You know you'll land. Yeah. Yeah. I remember when, man, I remember that was tough. i mean Right. And if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't.
00:48:17
Speaker
um Yeah. And it's the same thing, I think, in in corporate America. Right. You're going to go through really tough times. yeah You're going to find yourself. You're going to have hard decisions, especially as a people leader.
00:48:29
Speaker
You make really tough decisions, but it's going to grow you. both professionally and and and individually so that you can look back and say, yeah, let that all happen for a reason. Yeah.
00:48:41
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I love it. Okay. So just to wrap up, I always ask this one question because it's literally something I think about every single day i show up to work.
00:48:53
Speaker
And it's, if you knew then what you know now about your career, your, your specific career, what is one piece of advice that you would give Carly at like 25 years old?
00:49:10
Speaker
I honestly, I think oh there's a, there's a lot advice. Yeah, exactly.
00:49:16
Speaker
But I think I would, I would, tell her to continue. Well, I would tell her to be more confident. It took me a long time. And I think we've heard this and I, through some of your podcasts, I think it's common to come up.
00:49:31
Speaker
Um, I am a fairly confident person and it's funny because I have a lot of people in business tell me I come across very confidently, but again, let's be honest. We all have that little inner child. That's like, I don't know Like, am i am i do it i couldn't do it yeah am I doing this right? And so I think um my confidence absolutely has grown and I am a very confident career woman right now, but I think confidence would have been something early on. um i think maybe I'd be a little, I don't even want to say that. I retract that statement.
00:50:06
Speaker
I'm right where I'm supposed to be, but I think confidence, because I think again, and when you're new in your career, You can look at these senior level people and be very fearful of them. And so I would take that confidence and I would have been,
00:50:19
Speaker
um a little bit more curious, I think, when I was, I think as I've gotten older, that curiosity, that learning, that asking questions, being vulnerable, being vulnerable is really important in your career because that's how you learn.
00:50:33
Speaker
um And I think as a, as a person innately, I am a pretty vulnerable, authentic person. And I think that's, what's made me a really good leader is I'm very authentic. Like me talking to you now is honestly how I would talk to a people. Talk to anybody. Oh yeah, for sure. Like,
00:50:50
Speaker
so you know um you know um But yeah, I think confidence and then that networking piece that I touched on. Oh, yeah, that you mentioned. yep Networking would have been a really good tool for me.
00:51:02
Speaker
um And just to like give her a pat on the back and be like, it's going to be okay. Regardless what direction you go in, like it's it'll it'll be okay. Yeah. And just keep going.
00:51:13
Speaker
I love that. I love that. Yes. comp I feel like confidence does come up a lot when I ask that question, but for different reasons. And I think even your spin on it's being confident, but also like using it to be more curious, like using it to, when I think about that in in my mind, I'm like, okay, when I was 25, was I confident? Yes. Did i ask a lot of questions though?
00:51:35
Speaker
i don't know. yeah And I think that's where it's like, be confident enough to inquire about things or to wonder um about things and and utilize that confidence to do that. So I definitely, I love that.
00:51:50
Speaker
Because I was real confident, I think, from the beginning in my space, right? So my team, what I was doing. yeah yeah i knew what I was doing. I was confident in that. I wasn't confident when I was getting in a room with more senior level directors. And to start to be more confident in those spaces early on, and ask the questions and look at them as mentors um and people that can help, you know, really form your, you know, some of your perspectives on your career, I think would have been important.
00:52:21
Speaker
Yeah. I love that. Well, thank you

Reflections and Takeaways

00:52:25
Speaker
so much. This has been such a good conversation. And I know what you and I had had like ah a longer conversation too, even earlier, but we had we didn't really get into your background much. like even just knowing kind of where you started out was really, really cool um to learn more, but I'm really excited for whatever kind of this next chapter is for you. i know you're going to- Well, I'll come back when I- Yeah, exactly. Actually, yeah, we'll do like a six month update.
00:52:50
Speaker
Yeah. And be like, a Carly, where is she now? Yeah, yeah no, but this was this was fantastic. And this was a great motivat motivator for me as well. you know think, again, even no matter how senior we are in our careers, no matter where we're at in in our career, it's a nice reminder that like,
00:53:10
Speaker
i Yeah, I've had, you know, we've done some things. We've got some things to be proud of ourselves for. Some great accomplishments. Yeah, so this is great. And I'm super proud of you. i will continue to be a fan and and advocate for this podcast because I think you're doing really great work. And, you know, I've always told myself as a leader, if I can just help, you know, one person, like that's going to make me feel great.
00:53:32
Speaker
Yep. Couldn't agree more. Yeah. So I'm going to stop. Thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of The Good Guide, the podcast dedicated to guiding you through every twist and turn in your career journey. If you loved this episode, make sure to leave those five-star reviews and share this podcast with a friend, loved one, or hey, even a colleague.
00:53:56
Speaker
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00:54:07
Speaker
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