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Dr. Greg on Plants
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We are joined by Dr. Greg Davis to talk about how plants affect our daily lives and health. Greg is a long time listener and radio show host of Dr. Greg on Medicine!
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Introduction and Hydration Talk
00:00:14
Alexis
Hi friends, how's everybody feeling today? Is everybody hydrated?
00:00:21
Alexis
Brett, you're muted. He's such a rookie move, he's muted.
00:00:30
Plant People
That's on me. We're here with the special get so off to a really good start. um
00:00:35
Alexis
Well, we know Brett's not nearly hydrated enough to keep his brain working.
00:00:38
Plant People
I am, I am not, I've been, been having lots of fun this morning with other, other stuff and glad to be here podcasting, but I am somewhat hydrated ah and, but I'm definitely excited to welcome Greg Davis to be our guest here on the pod and ask him, are you hydrated, Greg?
00:00:39
Alexis
Let's go drink some water, Brett.
Flavored Water and Soda Alternatives
00:00:59
Greg Davis
Greg is hydrated and Continuing to hydrate, always have to have at least two liquids to choose from at all times.
00:01:05
Alexis
Yes, correct. Same. Yeah. It's like hot or cold flavored or just regular water. Like you got to have a little because I don't want to get up again while I'm doing my endless email chain.
00:01:17
Plant People
what's your all What's your all's feelings on like like flavored water, like stuff in water, um yeah ah things that are supposed to be eaten or drunk that go in water?
00:01:29
Alexis
Things that are supposed to be.
00:01:29
Greg Davis
I have... I have strong feelings, but they're personal. um i The only thing I put in water is lemon juice or lime juice, but
Greg's Journey into Medicine
00:01:41
Plant People
Good man.
00:01:41
Greg Davis
I love coffee, tea, plain water.
00:01:45
Greg Davis
I probably go through about two liters of celestial season,
00:01:52
Greg Davis
at least every day.
00:01:53
Plant People
The corgis are saying hello, man. We are on all full systems go today. No, Greg, I i am.
00:01:58
Alexis
I promise.
00:02:00
Plant People
I am also a lemon or lime only and like cucumber, basil, all of that stuff to me. Not not for me.
00:02:10
Greg Davis
Yeah, I mean, maybe if I'm in a fancy hotel or something like that, that's okay. You know, the thing in the lobby with all the slices of stuff in it.
00:02:16
Plant People
Oh,
00:02:18
Greg Davis
But, you know, like plain and simple, it's hard to be.
00:02:20
Plant People
yeah. Yeah, I just happen to like be OK with the taste of water. I don't you know that which is good. Maybe I should just be grateful for that rather than anything else.
00:02:31
Greg Davis
know, it's it's funny. I gave up soda probably 25 years ago, and it took a month or two um because you – you get hooked to that stuff, right?
00:02:41
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:02:42
Plant People
Hmm.
00:02:42
Greg Davis
It took about a month or two, but I don't miss it at all. Now I will buy the occasional fizzy water, you know, something like that. i I need to do better with my home fizzy water maker and quit buying the commercial stuff.
00:02:58
Plant People
Commercial stuff be pretty good though.
00:02:59
Alexis
it's it's kind of nice like we also have you know uh an at-home soda stream water maker thingy and but it's so nice just being able to reach in the fridge and grab you a can out of fizzy water even though it's not that hard you just push a button like it's not hard but there's something about
Imposter Syndrome and Career Reflections
00:03:17
Alexis
it um we've said the same thing we've We we don't buy them anymore, but when the you know if we ever have some or friends leave some, it's always like, ooh, I get to just grab it out of the fridge.
00:03:28
Greg Davis
Well, you know, and I'm so glad you guys brought up hydration because, know, I got to put on the, you know, the doctor app for two seconds. That is something we do. And I say we, the collective, we, all of us do fairly poorly.
00:03:41
Greg Davis
Um, and I have to be especially careful because like many people in my family, i don't have a thirst drive. So I can become very dehydrated, especially when I'm outside in sunlight, uh, and not even know it. So, uh,
00:03:58
Greg Davis
I like to tell friends and family, hope you're peeing clearly and often.
00:04:06
Alexis
You know, that's that's it sounds weird, but it's actually, that's a very sweet thing for you to say.
00:04:12
Plant People
May the road road rise up to meet you and may you pee clearly and often.
00:04:14
Greg Davis
yeah
00:04:17
Plant People
Sort of a Irish blessing for modern times. um
00:04:20
Alexis
Bye.
00:04:21
Plant People
so So Greg, you you alluded to this already, but can you just give us, on this podcast, we we don't limit ourselves to hardcore horticulturalists. if if not If that were the case, they would have kicked me off.
00:04:33
Plant People
But ah we like to talk to people in different walks of life, different approaches that where plants and and horticulture has been an important part of their life or overlapped. But can you start us out just by telling us a little bit about yourself, kind of what you've done for for work and for life across time? And yeah, what what bring what do why do you think you're here? We're trying to figure it out too.
00:04:57
Plant People
Yeah.
The Joy of Horticulture
00:04:58
Greg Davis
Well, and I really want to thank you guys for bringing me on the pod. that You know, the the interviewee is now the interviewer because I interviewed Brett very recently for for my show and podcast on WKY.
00:05:12
Greg Davis
It's just called Dr. Greg Davis on medicine. And, and I was a longtime listener and lover of your pod, but I really perked up and took notice and reached out because of your recent episode on the imposter syndrome, which something with which I have struggled all my life and and many people I know do, but um I was born and raised in big orange country, just a little bit south of here in Knoxville.
00:05:28
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:05:39
Greg Davis
I came to, Lexington and UK when I was 17 to go to college, fell in love with the bluegrass. I feel now 50 years later that I'm a naturalized Kentucky citizen at this point.
00:05:53
Greg Davis
I had to go back to my original home state for medical school and then immediately returned to the Commonwealth and did all my post MD training in general internship, residency, fellowship in pathology and forensic pathology at the University of Louisville. So
Therapeutic Benefits of Nature
00:06:12
Greg Davis
I got the UK, UT, and UofL bases covered when it's sports time.
00:06:18
Alexis
Thank you.
00:06:18
Greg Davis
Then didn't have a job lined up in Kentucky to my dismay when I finished all that training. So i went and had a great five years at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, where I was a county medical examiner, analogous to a county coroner here in Kentucky and regional forensic pathologist.
00:06:38
Greg Davis
And then the call came in 1996 from UK, hey, know anybody interested in coming to UK and being a forensic pathologist? And I raised both hands and was there almost almost instantly and was at UK up until ah retired from UK in 2004.
00:06:57
Greg Davis
or But yeah, stuff did that.
00:07:01
Plant People
Yeah.
00:07:03
Greg Davis
We had a unique relationship for a while between UK and the state where all the state medical examiners in Frankfurt were also UK faculty. So that was that was a lot of fun too.
00:07:15
Plant People
So one thing you you left out of the story, I think, was your undergraduate degree. What did what did you study when you were doing that?
00:07:23
Greg Davis
I was an English major. And, you know, it's it's interesting. we I was a medical educator at UK for 30 years and we have folks now who major in everything.
00:07:35
Greg Davis
We've had
00:07:35
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:07:36
Greg Davis
former English teachers, culinary artists, you know chefs. you know And what I tell people interested in in the profession is it doesn't matter what you major in.
00:07:48
Greg Davis
As long as you get your prereqs to get into med school, more power to you.
00:07:52
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:07:54
Greg Davis
But in my generation, I'm in my mid-60s, almost everybody who went to med school was a hard science, you know physics, chemistry, biology major. and I had no intention of going to medical school, but I was a nursing assistant in the old ER at UK.
00:08:12
Greg Davis
They call them nursing techs now. Probably one of my favorite jobs in medicine. I mean, i I did EKGs, ran blood to the lab, cleaned bedpans. It was great.
Walking, Literature, and Therapy
00:08:23
Alexis
The things seen.
00:08:24
Greg Davis
thing yeah And one night at three o'clock in the morning, the head nurse and the resident on call said, sit down, we need to talk to you. And of course, Being a good old Southern boy, I thought I was in trouble.
00:08:38
Greg Davis
And they said, we've decided you need to apply to med school. And I i said, well, I don't think i'm so I'm, I'm an English major. I don't think I'm smart enough to be a doctor. And the nurse burst out laughing and said, honey, you don't have to be that smart. You just got to work really, really hard.
00:08:56
Greg Davis
And so I changed it. and so i i changed
00:09:00
Alexis
That's plants in a nutshell as well.
00:09:02
Greg Davis
yeah I've changed gears and if I had to do it all over again, I'd do it all over again. But one thing I tell folks interested in the profession and folks in the midst of the profession is I think literally and figuratively being an English major and being familiar literature saved my life in in myriad ways.
00:09:24
Alexis
Hmm.
00:09:26
Greg Davis
and And that potentially ties into the some of the things that greenery and horticulture can do for us, I think, as human beings as well.
00:09:35
Plant People
Yeah. Well, that's, that's part of, you know, what I was, what I'm getting at, I think is i can relate to that too. Having a very, purely non-linear path to whatever it is that I'm doing now and having a lot of interests and having broader interests and thinking about what it means to be a human and to experience the world as a human being while you're learning how to take care of the human body and mind. And keep us healthy, but keep us healthy for what? And and through what different types of ways? you know that that i think you mentioned we've we've come a long way in terms of accepting different backgrounds. I think we're we're also in many ways a world apart ah in terms of understanding mental health and the importance of all of these other things that were sort of treated as outside the institution of medicine or health or whatever.
00:10:24
Plant People
ah
00:10:25
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:10:25
Greg Davis
Oh, gosh.
00:10:25
Plant People
Actually, turns out...
00:10:28
Greg Davis
It's so true. one One bit of a poem I quote to my med students and residents and other learners all the time. William Carlos Williams was a physician and a poet, and he wrote ah a long form poem called Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.
00:10:44
Greg Davis
And the line, i have goosebumps every time I think of it. I have them now. It is difficult to get the news from poems, yet men die miserably every day for lack of what is found there.
00:10:56
Greg Davis
And if you sit with that and think about it a minute, given the the vicarious trauma of my profession and seeing what people do to others and do to themselves, that statement hits home harder and harder.
00:11:12
Greg Davis
And, you know, I was admonished,
00:11:12
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:11:17
Greg Davis
gosh 40 years ago by one of my mentors, who's now sadly gone for 25 years, Dr. Elsie McLeod from Floyd County, Kentucky.
00:11:28
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:11:28
Greg Davis
And i I still remember him saying, son, this work will get technically easier and emotionally more difficult as the years go by.
00:11:38
Plant People
Wow.
00:11:42
Alexis
can relate.
00:11:44
Plant People
Yeah. but So,
00:11:46
Greg Davis
Yeah, i don't think this I don't think this is just my profession. I think it can be universal in some ways.
Gardening and Generational Connections
00:11:53
Plant People
Yeah, I'm feeling that. um
00:11:55
Alexis
I think, yeah, you start to see the bigger picture, whether it's like the bigger picture of your farm and the bigger picture of your garden or the bigger picture of your work environment or, you know, whatever, whatever that is, you're, you start to have, you don't focus as much on the technical stuff. You learn how to do it. You can do that without all of your brain. And so that frees up more of your brain to look at the big picture. And then you're like, oh no, I want to go back to just thinking about ah the seeding I have to do you know, and not the, The five years down the line, big picture, how is, you know, from, I'm going to always go to like, what's my soil health look like? But, you know, it could be said about any any institution. What is the soil health?
00:12:36
Greg Davis
I think you hit the nail on the head, Alexis, because when I was in that nursing assistant job, you know, 40 plus years ago, it was very Zen. I was in the moment. That's all that mattered.
00:12:47
Alexis
Yeah.
00:12:48
Greg Davis
I wasn't worrying about the U.S. health care system or, you know, all that stuff.
00:12:52
Alexis
yeah
00:12:54
Greg Davis
I was just worried about, I need to go over and do that EKG real quick on that person.
00:12:59
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:12:59
Greg Davis
So I need to hurry up over here.
00:13:00
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:13:03
Plant People
Well, so we, I want to just for briefly for a second, put aside some of the, the Dr. Greg parts and bring in Greg plant person, uh, and just ask you you have a different, there's different ways to interface with the world of horticulture, plants, trees, et cetera.
00:13:21
Plant People
And sometimes we get fixated on gardening or we get fixated on a particular you know, installing some native plants or something, but what's your, how do you interact with plants or prefer to interact with plants? And and and has that changed over time?
00:13:36
Greg Davis
You know, i i guess I have to lay a foundation and give a a big caveat as we start. And that is the my wife, Vanessa Oliver, knows more about horticulture, gardens and plants in her pinky fingernail than I I am not a technical horticulture person. I am i would put myself as an appreciator.
00:14:02
Greg Davis
It's like somebody who goes to the opera but can't sing, but they still appreciate the opera.
00:14:07
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:14:07
Greg Davis
um i have my one plant right now in my office. It's an air plant, and I've tried to kill it on a couple of occasions, but she's still surviving, and she brings me joy every time I look at her.
00:14:20
Greg Davis
um But I think what really brought home an appreciation of our green cousins is about 30 years ago, i was at a bit of a low point and, um, work was very hard in Frankfurt and I had a commute from Frankfurt to Lexington every day.
00:14:42
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:14:46
Greg Davis
And i guess an unhealthy way of dealing with the stress, um, would have been to stop at a pub, you know, a bar or something like that. But what i fell into this amazing habit, um,
00:15:00
Greg Davis
Buckley Wildlife Refuge was about midway between my office and my home coming on Versailles Road, you know, into Versailles. And I formed a habit of stopping off there and taking whether it was 30 minute walk or an hour and a half walk as a way of decompressing.
00:15:21
Greg Davis
um And what I noticed was just being in and amongst all that greenery. And thank goodness for for whoever the the curator was, because there were all these little signs telling me what I was looking at, you know, genus, species, common name, because I am, you know, taxonomy is what a pathologist does, right?
00:15:42
Alexis
Yes.
00:15:43
Greg Davis
We look at something, we recognize a pattern, we name it.
00:15:44
Alexis
Yes.
00:15:47
Greg Davis
ah
00:15:47
Plant People
Death and Taxonomy.
00:15:48
Greg Davis
yeah i so but And and i that was a this that was a huge eye-opener for me.
00:15:51
Alexis
love it.
00:15:55
Greg Davis
It was in the late ninety s And it was really before a lot of the literature started coming out in in the medical world about the healthy effects of being around greenery.
00:16:08
Greg Davis
And I was living it without really even
Imposter Syndrome Insights
00:16:11
Greg Davis
knowing it. I didn't grow up in a in a Hort family. ah Really, everything I've learned pretty much has been from Vanessa and and people that Vanessa knows.
00:16:21
Greg Davis
And we we moved into our house 10 years ago And one of the first things she did that I still marvel over is we had a very tiny front yard. She ripped it all up, planted a pollinator garden, native plants, and so and timed the plants in such a way that from basically early spring to early fall, there's a succession of of blooms.
00:16:47
Greg Davis
And it just, ah every time I walk out of the door of my house, every time I come home, it almost makes me laugh.
00:16:47
Alexis
Ah, the dream.
00:16:55
Greg Davis
It's just so stupid beautiful. and
00:16:57
Alexis
Hmm.
00:16:58
Greg Davis
But in addition to being beautiful, I find the scent of things, whether it's that vegetal scent or the flower has its own particular scent, that tickles part of my brain that's that's a a pleasant place to be And I think it takes a it takes me a little bit out of myself and enjoying just being, just being.
00:17:24
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:17:26
Greg Davis
But I don't want to, but, you know, and that's the thing.
00:17:26
Alexis
There's...
00:17:29
Greg Davis
i get to reap the benefits, whereas 99.9% of the getting down, getting dirty, hands in the soil is, that's all Vanessa.
00:17:35
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:17:39
Plant People
Yeah, I think, ah but part of it too, the you you mentioned the Buckley thing, ah the Buckley Wildlife Area, and i I'll ask you here in another question, but that is, it's a huge part of our, of the horticulture industry or the the students who study plants and horticulture and tree ID and plant ID and all that kind of stuff. is that some of them go on to become managers of wildlife areas or of arboretum and arboretum. Or ah we went to we had the folks from UDell on a couple a couple months ago to talk about their botanical gardens.
00:18:10
Plant People
And it's just that it's it's, to me, this public good proposition of having available spaces to spend time in nature or to spend time with plants or to spend time in a really well manicured, planned out, thoughtful landscape with plants involved.
00:18:18
Greg Davis
Thank
00:18:25
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:18:25
Plant People
I think all of that to me, it's something that... I don't know if I would say the science is catching up to it maybe, or something along those lines is how it kind of feels to me of, holy moly, turns out if you have a really pleasant, natural, dappled light, green environment, you tend to do a little better. you spend If you spend time in these places, is that is that something you've, you've come across? This is just some i'm arm armchair ah public health thing here, I think, but.
00:18:53
Greg Davis
Oh, not just armchair, Brett, studies. Studies have shown, as we like to say. i mean, that they are out there.
00:18:59
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:19:01
Greg Davis
i think maybe it was offline before before we started talking online, but
Horticulture in Health and Wellness
00:19:06
Greg Davis
we know that people in the workplace, if they have access to a window, one of the coolest things about the medical examiner's office in Frankfurt, unlike any other I've ever seen, and I've visited them all around the world,
00:19:13
Alexis
Amen.
00:19:21
Greg Davis
there are these ginormous picture windows that look westward towards the capital. And you can see the capital in the distance, but we've seen deer, we've seen other wildlife just wandering around right off the east-west connector Frankfurt.
00:19:37
Greg Davis
And so by turning 180 degrees and just looking out that window, i know I felt better, others did as well. We've also got literature now that says, let's say you're in the hospital for having your appendix out.
00:19:51
Greg Davis
something of that nature, your hospital stay statistically is going to be briefer if you have a window that looks out into a courtyard with greenery or garden or something of that nature, rather than the generic blank wall or window that looks at the bricks you know from the building next door.
00:19:59
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:20:10
Greg Davis
So I think it's one of those things that, especially I would think your listeners who who are a select self-selected group of a folks, would immediately glom onto that.
00:20:21
Greg Davis
I just feel better when I'm around, you know, these, I don't even want to say this stuff.
00:20:23
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:20:27
Greg Davis
I mean, the more I read, the more I'm out there, um, the, the more than human world appeals to me and makes me respect and admire these forms of life about which we know so little.
00:20:43
Greg Davis
I mean, at lunchtime right now, I'm reading a a textbook on trees and, uh, I just, I'm, oh my gosh.
00:20:49
Alexis
Trees are so fascinating.
00:20:51
Greg Davis
and And Suzanne Simard, holy moly. Hope I get to shake her hand someday.
00:20:54
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:20:56
Greg Davis
You know, the mother tree conservationist. Just, yeah, I'm just boggled at what plants are and what they do.
00:21:07
Plant People
one of the One of the things, and we're going to circle back around to the imposter syndrome here in a second. yeah I know you wanted to to chat a little more about that. But one of the other things that I've noticed is that um for you, there's this relationship between the plant world.
00:21:24
Plant People
um All of those plants, by the way, would fall into horticultural plants. They're not agronomic plants. They're trees and shrubs and all that kind of stuff. And that between that and walking, the idea of of walking as this meditative...
00:21:35
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:21:37
Plant People
act. I know that you've read and thought and and walked while maybe thinking about walking. um Can you can you speak to that a little bit? And maybe you've shot out a couple other authors or people that think about this walking in the woods, walking in nature stuff.
00:21:56
Greg Davis
ah For those who are listening and not watching, I am trying really hard not to laugh because I think Brett knows that my wife very lovingly makes fun of me because i am i am obsessed with the literature of walking.
00:22:16
Greg Davis
I am not person.
00:22:17
Alexis
I'm glad it's not running.
00:22:19
Greg Davis
Oh, it used to be, Alexis. used to be. Concessions to aging.
00:22:24
Alexis
don't know.
00:22:25
Greg Davis
But I'm not a ah person with with tattoos. But if I ever got one, it would probably be something like salvatore ambulando, the Latin for it is solved by walking.
00:22:38
Greg Davis
It is probably just physiologically one of the best exercises we have. But more than that, it is also a way of getting out of yourself a little bit, getting into a rhythm and seeing the world.
00:22:50
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:22:53
Greg Davis
You you have a chance to literally get out and see the world. i I strongly recommend if anybody is interested and it sounds dry, but it's not.
00:23:04
Greg Davis
um the The literature of walking, Robert McFarlane is an English professor at Cambridge University. And one of his earlier books is called The Old Ways.
00:23:18
Greg Davis
where he talks about ancient footpaths in the old world, the new world, and what McFarlane does in an amazing way. And I've written him more than one fanboy letter because of his writing.
00:23:31
Greg Davis
um He brings in the personal, the natural history, the human history in such a way that, I mean, I'll be honest, fiction usually keeps me awake. Nonfiction usually puts me to sleep, but his nonfiction keeps me awake.
00:23:48
Greg Davis
like reading a novel.
00:23:48
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:23:50
Greg Davis
um There's ah another wonderful essayist named Antonia Malchik, M-A-L-C-H-I-K, who's written a lot and including a book on walking, everything from the political ramifications of walking. Are we allowed to walk there? And what if we're a woman or a person of color? Are we allowed to walk there the same way a white male-like guy would be?
00:24:17
Greg Davis
allowed to walk there. Things that we we might not think of immediately, but everything, you know whether it's human migration or making a better life for ourselves, it's really been because of people supported by the nutrition of plants who walked somewhere.
00:24:38
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:24:40
Alexis
And our farmers walk a lot. I feel like this is, um I'm gonna, ah I think the Gen Z would say this is the equivalent of go touch grass.
00:24:44
Greg Davis
oh my gosh.
00:24:52
Alexis
Like this like idea of like walking in nature is is the same, is the the fan more um romantic way to say, go touch grass.
00:24:53
Greg Davis
Yes.
00:25:02
Alexis
Like you need to go touch grass.
00:25:05
Greg Davis
I guess, yes. You know, Alexis, one of the times I knew that Vanessa liked me when we started dating early on is she took me to the farmer's market where she worked for 10 years.
00:25:15
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:25:16
Greg Davis
She worked for Elmwood Stock Farm and she she took me and introduced me to all the farmers and growers at the Lexington farmers market.
00:25:24
Alexis
Oh yeah, you were in at that point for sure.
00:25:26
Greg Davis
it Yeah.
00:25:27
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:25:27
Greg Davis
and And to this day, i did this last Saturday.
00:25:28
Alexis
ah
00:25:31
Greg Davis
Every time i pay for one of my purchases, I just want to say, and I say it internally and occasionally externally, thank you for your knowledge, for your labor that, you know, keeps us not just healthy, but enjoying every meal. i mean first question Vanessa asked me when we went out on a date was, you like food, right?
00:25:58
Greg Davis
Setting the set a tone.
00:25:58
Alexis
This is a major part of what we do.
00:26:01
Plant People
that was ah That was maybe the most important question from Vanessa, I would assume. It's like, ah if you don't really like this, then it's going hard go for us.
00:26:10
Greg Davis
Yep. Set the tone.
00:26:13
Plant People
Okay, so i have i have a lightning round here, and then well we can talk about imposter syndrome. So do you have a favorite tree, either specific tree or a tree species?
00:26:25
Greg Davis
Oh, hard one. Japanese maple and ginkgo are the first that come to mind.
00:26:29
Plant People
Hmm.
00:26:29
Greg Davis
um Those, I guess, what is it? I love them all, but some of them I just take more notice and I'll probably, that'll that'll be an ever-changing answer as I learn more.
00:26:38
Alexis
Yeah.
00:26:42
Greg Davis
um But how can you not love ginkgos? They were there before the dinosaurs, for goodness sake. And maple.
00:26:49
Alexis
But not before the sharks, I've recently learned.
00:26:52
Greg Davis
Oh, interesting. Interesting.
00:26:53
Alexis
ah Yes, yes.
00:26:54
Greg Davis
Okay. Okay.
00:26:54
Plant People
Wow.
00:26:56
Greg Davis
And then I think Japanese maple because of the coloration, you know, how they're red, no wait, they're green, no wait, they're red again, you know, that kind of thing.
00:26:56
Plant People
Okay, so...
00:27:02
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Keeps in your toes.
00:27:08
Plant People
They also, Japanese maples also have like an airiness to them, like ah an elegant, like dancey arrog airiness that I think is really, really spectacular.
00:27:12
Alexis
Mm-hmm. A whimsy.
00:27:18
Plant People
What about your favorite? Do you have a favorite flower?
00:27:23
Greg Davis
Oh, gosh. Um. Zinnia, I guess comes to mind, coneflowers, echinacea.
00:27:28
Alexis
Oh.
00:27:31
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:27:32
Greg Davis
um
00:27:32
Alexis
Oh, we like the disc flowers. Okay.
00:27:35
Greg Davis
Oh yeah, I think, yeah, the disc the disc flowers speak to me.
00:27:35
Plant People
disc boy.
00:27:38
Greg Davis
i'm i'm actually reading the chapter in the book on trees right now about tree reproduction. And it makes me very sad that a lot of people don't know of the tree's flower.
00:27:44
Plant People
Yeah.
00:27:48
Greg Davis
um
00:27:48
Plant People
yeah
00:27:49
Alexis
Oh, yeah.
00:27:50
Greg Davis
You know, the crate, what was it? No, the horse chestnut right outside my office.
00:27:54
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:27:55
Greg Davis
was pretty impressive with those clusters of flowers bigger than my head.
00:28:00
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:28:01
Greg Davis
that sort of thing, but, uh, just studying, I'm such a nerd lunchtime eating,
Nutrition and Plant-Based Diets
00:28:08
Greg Davis
eating and studying trees, but yeah, I'm on the flower chapter right now. And, uh, Oh my gosh, you know, as a little kid, I used to love those, uh, I forget the technical term for the helicopter seeds.
00:28:20
Greg Davis
Um, but, uh,
00:28:21
Alexis
The maples.
00:28:23
Greg Davis
Yeah, but but now getting to see how they're actually formed. and
00:28:27
Plant People
I believe the, the technical term is whirlybirds, Greg.
00:28:30
Greg Davis
There we go. There we go.
00:28:32
Greg Davis
And I knew it.
00:28:32
Alexis
That's in the botanical text.
00:28:33
Alexis
I can pull it out. Yeah.
00:28:34
Plant People
That's right. Whirlybirdus, Acer whirlybirdus.
00:28:42
Plant People
And last one, this should be the easiest or maybe hardest. ah Do you have a favorite fruit or vegetable?
00:28:50
Greg Davis
Oh my gosh. Is it tomato or fruit or a vegetable?
00:28:53
Plant People
Hmm.
00:28:53
Greg Davis
I know the old debate. um So I'm going to sidestep the question by two degrees and give you the answer that my favorite, one my favorite meals on earth is a variation variation of horia tiki.
00:29:08
Greg Davis
It's basically a a spring salad, but without a lot of lettuce. And for lunch today, courtesy of Vanessa, diced up,
00:29:13
Alexis
Ah. Mm-hmm.
00:29:19
Greg Davis
Cucumber, onion, tomato, chickpeas
00:29:25
Greg Davis
with like an Italian dressing, that sort of thing. i just, I like all the veggies and and all the fruits. Maybe maybe not durian, but I tried that once.
00:29:36
Greg Davis
Pretty much one and done. Yeah.
00:29:38
Plant People
Yeah. Yeah, I i tried durian as well.
00:29:39
Greg Davis
said
00:29:41
Plant People
It was and and I was in Indonesia. It was ripe.
00:29:43
Alexis
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:29:44
Plant People
It was fresh.
00:29:44
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:29:45
Plant People
It was like if I was going to like it, this was going to be the version. And oof the the only way that I can describe it the way that I described it is it smelled and kind of tasted like the liquid in the bottom of a garbage can.
00:30:02
Greg Davis
Yes, with a little bit of gasoline thrown in.
00:30:06
Plant People
Mm, yeah.
00:30:07
Greg Davis
Yeah. I tried it in Singapore while i was working there, and I was at a ah Sunday market, and I thought, you know, when in Rome, right?
00:30:16
Greg Davis
Well, it'll start to try.
00:30:16
Alexis
Yeah.
00:30:17
Plant People
Yeah.
00:30:18
Alexis
And you're like, I'm good. I'm good. Thanks, Rome.
00:30:20
Plant People
Well, because I am so like the opposite.
00:30:21
Alexis
I'm good.
00:30:21
Greg Davis
Yep.
00:30:23
Plant People
I'm the opposite of picky. And as far as eating um and.
00:30:27
Alexis
okay.
00:30:30
Plant People
That one will put it to you to the test, you know, and you know what?
00:30:33
Greg Davis
Yeah.
00:30:34
Plant People
Can I go? Can I just get this off my chest? This is a hort culture exclusive here. Greg's making me feel safe. Pawpaws. I don't like them that much.
00:30:42
Greg Davis
Really? Is it a texture issue?
00:30:45
Plant People
I don't like the flavor. I don't like, I don't like the texture that much.
00:30:47
Alexis
too strong.
00:30:50
Plant People
Uh, yeah. I'm also not a big mango person or papaya person.
00:30:51
Alexis
you i did do you like it as like ah you know a baked good or an ice cream?
00:30:59
Plant People
Um, I would never choose it.
00:30:59
Alexis
still so
00:31:00
Plant People
I would never choose it.
00:31:01
Alexis
yeah Yeah, that's fair. A lot of people, it is a very strong...
00:31:02
Plant People
If it, let me just be clear. If you come out, if you come out of your, I'm out at your house for a party and you come out and you say, does anybody want some Papa ice cream? And there's no other ice creams available. I will be having some Papa ice cream.
00:31:15
Alexis
Okay. noted okay
00:31:16
Plant People
But if you had chocolate and Papa or vanilla and Papa whatever, I would say I'd have the vanilla, please.
00:31:16
Alexis
and
00:31:20
Alexis
and
00:31:21
Plant People
ah
00:31:22
Alexis
Gotcha.
00:31:22
Plant People
But so, yeah, I just feel like that's ah it's a um like a cardinal sin in the local foods world in Kentucky, like this part of the country is to to turn your back on our native tree fruit.
00:31:22
Alexis
Gotcha.
00:31:34
Plant People
But.
00:31:36
Alexis
It's okay.
00:31:36
Greg Davis
Oh, you know, but but I guess
00:31:37
Alexis
We'll allow it.
00:31:38
Greg Davis
ah Yeah, team and I'm on Team Alexis there. i mean, you like what you like.
00:31:42
Alexis
Yeah.
00:31:43
Greg Davis
and And even if it's native to our state, I mean, Poison Ivy is native to our state too, but I don't necessarily like to wallow in it.
00:31:53
Greg Davis
So, yeah.
00:31:54
Plant People
Yeah, you get that mix that into your so your ah your special salad, Greg.
00:31:58
Greg Davis
yeah
00:31:59
Alexis
I think Greg was referring to, again, i'm going to bring ah bring a Gen Z term in here because I'm learning things. A dense bean salad is what the kids are calling it now. It's a dense bean salad.
00:32:08
Plant People
Oh, he said something.
00:32:09
Alexis
Yeah. I love how we're just...
00:32:10
Plant People
He said something, something fun and exotic.
00:32:14
Alexis
Yes, he did. I think we're just like whitewashing
Intersection of Horticulture and Medicine
00:32:17
Alexis
some recipes, but...
00:32:17
Plant People
What did you what did you call it, Greg?
00:32:20
Greg Davis
Oh, it's a Greek term, horiatiki. And it's basically just a fresh green garden salad, but without lettuce.
00:32:22
Plant People
Horyotiki.
00:32:22
Alexis
Poor Tiki.
00:32:27
Greg Davis
And I love lettuce, love lettuce, but yeah.
00:32:27
Alexis
Yeah.
00:32:27
Plant People
know
00:32:30
Alexis
It's all the stuff in the bottom bowl that you actually want.
00:32:30
Plant People
Love lettuce.
00:32:33
Greg Davis
Yeah, well, you can eat, yeah, and you can eat it with a spoon instead of a fork, you know, so that's kind of fun.
00:32:37
Alexis
I'm a big fan.
00:32:39
Greg Davis
But yeah, um Vanessa told me about that dense bean salad term just the other day, and it's like, but we've been eating that forever.
00:32:47
Alexis
Yes.
00:32:48
Greg Davis
i guess it just
00:32:48
Plant People
We've been eating that for a while.
00:32:49
Alexis
Yep.
00:32:51
Greg Davis
Yeah.
00:32:51
Alexis
It's just, yeah. You know, you know, the kids these days, they've got to just bring something back that's been around for forever.
00:32:55
Plant People
Making it their own.
00:32:58
Greg Davis
Got to be hip with the lingo. Yeah.
00:32:58
Plant People
also so
00:33:01
Alexis
I suppose. But yeah, throw some stuff in a bowl and call it a day.
00:33:05
Greg Davis
Yeah.
00:33:06
Plant People
greg alluded Greg alluded to our one of our previous episodes about imposter syndrome and in agriculture in general.
00:33:06
Greg Davis
And it's so easy. Mm-hmm.
00:33:12
Plant People
And i'm I'm thinking to myself... Here we have Dr. Greg Davis on medicine, on the pod, big shot, celebrity, international draw for expert testimony.
00:33:24
Alexis
Star.
00:33:27
Plant People
He's been on all kinds, of MSNBC, CNN. He's he's he's big time. He's big time.
00:33:32
Alexis
He's a big pull for us, guys. He's a big pull for us.
00:33:34
Plant People
big deal Big deal. We will not be paying your agent, Greg. Just FYI, they keep emailing me.
00:33:38
Greg Davis
ah Vanessa will be sad about that.
00:33:39
Alexis
We're invoicing you directly.
00:33:43
Plant People
But um I think there were elements within that that maybe either you identified with or had observed. And I, yeah, open, love love to hear your thoughts on that.
00:33:53
Greg Davis
You know, I think this is a phenomenon of thinking, feeling people in any profession. I think it is it is universal. The. the that imposter syndrome of when are they going to find me out? ah When, ah you know, I spent a good portion of my career thinking, you know, when is my department chair going figure out just how much of a dummy I really am?
00:34:18
Greg Davis
And, and I think it's oftentimes, this is a gross generalization, but there's literature to back that up too, that it tends to be relatively high achieving people, whether it's a grower, a farmer, a physician, a,
00:34:31
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:34:36
Greg Davis
MBA, whatever it is that you do, um where in its best form, it's it's like a little bit of test anxiety. Like I need to have continuous quality improvement. I need to be a lifelong student.
00:34:51
Greg Davis
um I tell my, we have this abbreviation in medical education. You're a PGY1, postgraduate year one when you're a first year resident. Well, I'm ah i'm a PGY41 or something like that at this point.
00:35:05
Greg Davis
because cause I'm still learning. That's why we say practice medicine, because it's it's continually learning. So I think in its best form, the imposter syndrome is like any emotion, you know, in in modified, moderate form, it can be a good thing.
00:35:23
Greg Davis
It spurs you to keep up with the literature, to ask folks, I'm going to a meeting next week of a bunch of forensic folks, and I'm going to say, as i always do over coffee or a beer, hey, have you learned something new that's important? Anything you want to impart to help all of us?
00:35:41
Greg Davis
um But like many human emotions, if you go too far to the other side, too much test anxiety, and you can't concentrate, and you you can't learn.
00:35:50
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:35:52
Greg Davis
um the The kind of professionals I've encountered that I'm a little bit scared of are the ones who've never had even a hint of the imposter syndrome. who think from day one, maybe they're fresh out of school, whatever school that is, and they they think they're hot stuff and they know everything and you can't teach them.
00:36:13
Greg Davis
You do not want those individuals as your caregiver or probably doing anything else that has an impact on your life. So like so many things, a little bit of it might be a good thing to make us better at what we do, but too much of it can be a bad thing.
00:36:32
Plant People
I think one of Yeah.
00:36:32
Greg Davis
and And, oh, and and sorry, Brett, but one thing, it was a taboo in medicine for years and years, a couple of generations ago to even hint that maybe you should go see a counselor.
00:36:45
Plant People
Hmm.
00:36:45
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:36:45
Greg Davis
And, you know, if you're macho, we can call it, we we don't have to call it therapy. We can call it debriefing, you know, if if you know and and I've told some of the, you know, macho-esque people that I've worked with in the past, I don't care how tough you are.
00:36:52
Plant People
Hmm.
00:37:00
Greg Davis
It is a sign of strength to ask for help. And regardless of what stressor you're feeling at work, if you are a thinking, feeling person to any degree, you live in the world. You're going to need help at some point.
00:37:14
Greg Davis
And there are tons of great resources. Like if if you're at UK, there are resources without cost.
00:37:24
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:37:24
Greg Davis
And many employers offer their folks resources. resources for again therapy debriefing counseling whatever you want to call it
00:37:33
Plant People
Yeah, I think that's ah an important linked parallel of of things things that have been developing because it's from the horticulture side of things. It's been really interesting to see this gradual, I don't even know what to call it, admission, maybe rediscovery, discovery, who whatever, choose your language, about the importance of not not only ah in the diet, fruits and vegetables, a diet or you know a plant-based diet or heavily plant-based diet, rich in fruits and vegetables tends to be a good thing for people's health.
00:38:08
Plant People
On the flip side, the but I think also the stuff we've talked about so far of like the idea of spending time in nature, so having trees around in the landscape, having been able to see leaves and plants
00:38:11
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
Mental Health and Nature's Impact
00:38:18
Plant People
and things, maybe even take care of a plant or or a bucket tomato or something like that.
00:38:24
Plant People
That we've seen this. I think a lot of horticulture, especially in Kentucky and places like that, has had a chip on its shoulder about it being a little bit of the forgotten about.
00:38:36
Plant People
It's not one of the big agricultural commodities like corn or wheat or cows or whatever. And so to see this kind of like, oh, okay, so you guys, turns out you all do appreciate us.
00:38:45
Alexis
Sensory gardens and...
00:38:45
Plant People
After all, as these things start to come out and everyone, you know, we've seen the emergence of things like ah recovery gardens at people for people who are struggling with ah opioid use.
00:38:56
Plant People
ah We've seen things where if, you know, kids and school trips going out to to visit
00:39:02
Alexis
sensory gardens and
00:39:03
Plant People
Yeah. And, and I, and so I think it's, it's just been this really interesting as as the medical establishment or the medical research has caught up to some extent with things that maybe people knew for a long time, we're seeing this Renaissance of horticulture, whether that be food as medicine, um, which I think some people would be like, well, duh, why did you have to brand it food as medicine? Like eating a good diet is an important thing. Um,
00:39:30
Plant People
I just think that's a really, it's a way that I haven't connected hadn't connected it until until you and I had talked about this this process of rediscovering that spending time and interacting with plants is good for us.
00:39:42
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:39:42
Greg Davis
You know, it's interesting. I think I sent this to you a week or two ago, Brett, but, you know, my two favorite podcasts are the Hort Culture Podcast and Out of Doors, which is from BBC Radio Scotland.
00:39:55
Greg Davis
And that they just cover anything. If it happens out of doors, you know, great. They're going cover it. And they were talking about therapeutic horticulture a couple of weeks ago, specifically in Glasgow, Edinburgh, places like that. These gardens where...
00:40:12
Greg Davis
Psychiatric and mental health professionals suggest that their patients go to to to be out there being in amongst the plants and. Recognize and acknowledge, um I think, acknowledgement, you know, we've known this as human beings, I think, all along. It reminds me of a professor I had in undergrad at UK.
00:40:33
Greg Davis
We're going back a long time now. And and I forget what it was something to do with biochemistry. And he looked at all of us scared kids and he goes, you all know this.
00:40:44
Greg Davis
I'm just going to help bring it out of you.
00:40:46
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:40:46
Greg Davis
And I never forgot that. I mean, we know this instinctively. we We evolved in the trees and and amongst greenery. It's one of the reasons we we love it so much.
00:41:00
Greg Davis
And I think acknowledging that and realizing that maybe you know spending all of our time indoors on screens might not be... might not be the best thing for us.
00:41:11
Plant People
I think another thing that I've always been struck by, and so we, this is the business joy. What is it? Business production and joy and plants and watching them grow or something like that.
00:41:19
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:41:21
Plant People
Horticulture it feels, it there always has feels to me to be a, a strong element of hope within it. And sometimes to our detriment, we're a little too hopeful about how things are going to go or the price we're going to get for a product or whatever. But um I was, I was reading this, it was an obituary um for this guy who'd been in bonsai, done bonsai for like, and and done horticulture for a long time. And he was like 92 years old.
00:41:48
Plant People
And the person who wrote the obituary said that, The day before he died, he talked to him on the phone and he was starting more seeds. And it was just one of those like, oh man, like just touching, you know, that there's there's this new beginning to things and the beginning and ends of things don't always line up with our lifetimes.
00:41:59
Greg Davis
You
00:42:02
Alexis
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:42:10
Plant People
And so, um yeah, I just think that we're we're just on the surface of understanding fully how we interact with these plants. But we yeah the good news is we don't have to understand it fully in order to do it. Yeah.
00:42:23
Alexis
So sometimes you just got to go like boop a flower, man.
00:42:23
Greg Davis
you know, oh gosh.
00:42:26
Alexis
Like it doesn't have to be like like to to bring it down.
00:42:27
Greg Davis
um gosh
00:42:30
Alexis
I mean, how nice is it when you go outside and something new is blooming or you see like the first little of leaves come out in spring and you just want to like, you know, go and you're like, oh my God, hi. You know, like there's something so...
00:42:40
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:42:40
Greg Davis
Oh gosh, you see those, you see those you're out at the gorge or somewhere and you see those snow drops, you know, the first emerging. Oh gosh. You know, I, I, I teared up a little bit, Brett, when you were talking just now. Um, my father-in-law is 91 years old.
00:42:57
Greg Davis
He still is gardening. Um, he has sent seeds for Vanessa to plant for my daughter in Louisville to plant. Um, uh,
00:43:09
Greg Davis
the beans outside of our growing outside of our house are, what are they called, Merelda beans from from his garden.
00:43:16
Plant People
Mm.
00:43:19
Greg Davis
and And I think that that connection, because, you know, I'm probably preaching to the choir for your audience, but food isn't just food. it's It's love, it's family, it's its memory.
00:43:32
Alexis
Connection.
00:43:34
Greg Davis
Oh, gosh, yeah. I mean, how many times have you smelled a certain smell and it took you back to when you were five years old or in a certain a certain place? I mean, I cannot look at a garbanzo bean, you know, chickpeas, and not think of my mom.
00:43:49
Greg Davis
She was a Sicilian-American, a great cook, and, you know, i every time I eat a ah garbanzo bean, it it takes me right back.
00:43:50
Alexis
Yeah.
00:44:01
Alexis
same Same with just like smells or or plants, you know, like it's the same idea. Every time I see a gladiolia, I think of my grandmother's house, right? And then from there, it's like all the things you played outside and saw and I grow those because she grew those, you know, and it's and she had them up against her house.
00:44:15
Greg Davis
Yeah.
00:44:17
Alexis
And I just remember playing in the yard and seeing them and and have always loved them because of that, because it's a memory. Probably, i mean, the flowers are beautiful, of course, but it's more the pleasant memory that's attached to it than it is the actual flower itself. And so there's that, you know, relationship.
00:44:34
Alexis
eat both, you know, food and just plants or, you know, the plant somebody gave you, you know, your friend who gave you a cutting and your grandmother who passed it down. you know we've talked about that before. um But just that connection that, you know, plants can give in multiple ways hu
Hope and Joy Through Plants
00:44:49
Greg Davis
Oh gosh, yeah.
00:44:49
Alexis
is pretty special.
00:44:51
Alexis
Yeah. Even giving people flowers, right? Like that, that you give people a bouquet of flowers and there's a connection there, you know, instantly, even if they're, you've never met before.
00:44:54
Plant People
Mm-hmm.
00:45:00
Alexis
Yeah. And you're just welcome to the company or welcome to the office and you hand them flowers. There's just kind of this instant connection and joy. And, you know, that's been studied as well.
00:45:11
Alexis
And so even indoors, if you don't have a window, here are the things you can do to kind of have that connection.
00:45:15
Greg Davis
Yeah. Oh gosh, you know, Alexis, We always go up to the Bel Air Blooms table at the Farmer's Market on Saturday.
00:45:22
Alexis
Yeah.
00:45:24
Greg Davis
And every week, you know, I'll see one of the ladies that works there hand a single flower to a little kid, you know, a toddler or, you know, a slightly older kid.
00:45:36
Greg Davis
And the look of pure joy on that child's face.
00:45:38
Alexis
Oh yeah.
00:45:40
Greg Davis
And, I mean, that's that's something we should never lose. i mean, I think it gets it gets, you know, as we adult, more and more and get tied up and in certain things, we forget that basic wonder and joy at something as quote, simple, end quote, as a flower.
00:46:01
Alexis
but I think plants are just always for me wonder and joy, you know, like you never know if it's going to work. you never know what's going to happen or you know, you may be growing something new and there's just always a level, even like I've been doing this and growing seeds and heavily involved in my path has been very linear within the horticulture world, but there's just this consistent, like to Brett's point, hope, but just wonder and mystery.
00:46:25
Alexis
And, you know, what is, what is the world? And I could have done everything right. And it still didn't work. And, you know, sometimes that could feel depressing, but it also has this, you know, mystery involved in it And you're like, oh, well, and you try again.
00:46:38
Alexis
And so um I think, you know, yes.
00:46:40
Plant People
Sometimes you do a really great job and the plant doesn't go along with it. And then other times you do a terrible job and the plant just like is like, I got this boo. Don't worry.
00:46:48
Alexis
I know there's no rhyme or reason. i think like i kind of love that is though that like we have all these books and all these studies. And I had a professor tell me one time, Dr. Geneve told me, you know, plants don't read books. And I was like,
00:47:05
Alexis
Oh my gosh, that's true. You know, it's like we we can know 99% of the time what's going to happen, but there's always a chance something random happens because nature and like that's crazy, right?
00:47:09
Plant People
You're not supposed to be doing this, okay? Yeah.
00:47:18
Alexis
It's we think we know everything and then we don't. and Plants, I think, are a great way of showing us how little we know and how much mystery in the world there is.
00:47:27
Greg Davis
we use that expression in medicine all the time. Well, that patient didn't read the book.
00:47:31
Alexis
That virus obviously did not, was not top of its class.
00:47:31
Greg Davis
went when
00:47:35
Plant People
yeah
00:47:37
Alexis
Mm-hmm.
00:47:37
Greg Davis
that hope that you both are talking about, I see that every year when Vanessa will grow a lot of things from seed. And I'll be in the kitchen and she'll be in the back room, you know, with the little spritzer bottle, moistening the soil and talking in the most loving, supportive, nurturing terms to these little things that that haven't even sprouted yet.
00:47:55
Alexis
yeah
00:48:01
Alexis
yeah
00:48:02
Greg Davis
and And then, of course, regardless of of how much care she takes, sometimes there's, and i'm I'm not supposed to mention this nemesis of Vanessa out loud, but sometimes there's a groundhog that that comes on the scene or or some other critter.
00:48:09
Alexis
that's
00:48:16
Plant People
Mmm. Uh-oh.
00:48:19
Greg Davis
um one One year, um all of her tulips were just sort of sliced at the stem, and it wasn't a human activity.
00:48:28
Plant People
Yeah.
00:48:29
Greg Davis
it would it was some critter of some kind that just like took one bite and
00:48:35
Alexis
It's a thank you.
00:48:35
Greg Davis
It makes me want to sit outside with a rocking chair and and a flashlight and just wait and scare those critters off.
00:48:44
Plant People
What do you have to say for yourself?
00:48:46
Alexis
Excuse me, sir.
00:48:49
Plant People
Well, I really appreciate you joining us, Greg. This has been awesome. The time has has flown by. um You can check out Greg's show, Dr. Greg Davis on medicine, which he mentioned is on WUKY, which is the Lexington NPR station. And you can get in contact with us on Instagram at Hort Culture Podcast. You can also email us at HortCulturePodcast at gmail.com. Let us know what you like to hear, what other episodes you might want us to to cover or topics you might want us to cover. Also, if you haven't yet, please take a few seconds to just go and rate us in whatever pod ah podcast app or other platform you're listening to us on.
00:49:31
Plant People
But we really appreciate again, Greg, for joining us and we will see you next time.
00:49:37
Greg Davis
Thank you, guys. It was a pleasure and an honor.