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Episode 7 - The Full Smoke on 'The Flash'
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Get ready to tap into the Speed Force because The Study Pipe's Episode 7 is racing your way with a deep dive into DC's newest spectacle directed by Andy Muschietti and starring Ezra Miller. Will it crack the sound barrier or trip over its own feet? Discover how this anticipated film fares on our unique 'Puffs of Approval' scale.
From the distinctive directing style of Muschietti to Miller's return to the Flash suit, we're exploring every nook and cranny of this fresh DC universe journey. So, fasten your seatbelts and join us for this whirlwind episode. Remember, in our universe, it's not just about quick takes, it's about the journey.
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Transcript
Introduction and Overview of 'The Flash'
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Speaker
Oh, this is new. Someone new, right? You're just full of surprises. I feel like we're about to get some bad news, like we're a doctor on a soap opera.
00:00:19
Speaker
It's kind of dramatic and sad, right? But that's not what we're going for, right? This is the study pipe. Welcome back.
Why is 'The Flash' surprisingly enjoyable?
00:00:29
Speaker
It's been somewhat of a break in between the last episode and this one. I'm Zach and you are? I am Andrew last time I checked and we are here to welcome you to this discussion of movies and reviews of movies and movies that we just saw.
00:00:46
Speaker
Yeah, we're fresh. Fresh off the, what is it? Oh, we're fresh off the flash. That's what it is. Fresh off the flash. Directed by Andy. Are you going to take a guess how to say his last name? Mushi Eddy? Mushi Eddy. That's correct. That's the first one I've gotten, right? Yeah. I mean, Denny, you aren't kind to Denny.
00:01:11
Speaker
No, I mean, you told me how to do it. I got it wrong the second time. Yeah, but that's where. Wait, wait, wait, let me try it again. It's French, God damn it. Denny, Denny, Villeneuve. Denny Villeneuve. Villeneuve. I was so close to talking. So we got Andy Muschietti in the director's seat of DC's newest movie in the DCEU.
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Speaker
soon to be blown the hell up into smithereens by James Gunn. What is his 13th installment in DC's universe?
In-depth Analysis of 'The Flash'
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Speaker
It feels like it's the fourth movie and the 40th at the same time. I don't know how they did it. It feels like the second movie I actually enjoyed in the DCEU. What was the first one that you enjoyed?
00:02:07
Speaker
You know, let's think about this. I liked Aquaman, I guess. I liked Aquaman. Aquaman was hard. Can you enjoy a movie and not like it? Does that make sense? Yeah. I think you can enjoy something for what it is but have had
00:02:29
Speaker
greater hopes and ambitions for it that simultaneously, you know, it lets you down. I think of anime, like I think of anime where there's anime I like, but I would never like recommend anime to a person unless I knew they liked anime. Like I would never let that side of me out. Hmm. Yeah, I don't know. DCEU, man. You know, our media specialist, Jordan, is probably, you know,
00:02:58
Speaker
Gonna be livid here in this, but you know man still I thought was alright. You know I wasn't when it came out as I enjoyed it for what it was, but it didn't like knock my socks off. You Justice League flicks weren't. I didn't do it for me. Even Zack Snyder's. Cut of it, you know better, but still not really delivering on.
00:03:24
Speaker
You know, the film I wanted it to be, and really any of these films, but I really, the Flash, it's my favorite they've made so far. And it's kind of sad because it's my favorite they made so far, but also the end of this chapter, I guess, and maybe it doesn't even matter, or maybe it
Character Interactions and Humor
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Speaker
does.
00:03:44
Speaker
That, you know, that's a great way to put it. And, you know, I guess we really did discuss it beforehand. Do we want this to be a spoiler review or do we want to like, No spoilers. Maybe in the second half, we're winging it, ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, you got seven minutes and 39 seconds to get the non spoilers. That's probably true with our track record. But no, I mean, at a high level,
00:04:14
Speaker
13th entry, the last, I guess, before the changing of the guard with James Gunn coming in as head of DC. It's directed by Andy Muschietti, who, you know, I'm a big horror fan. As I've mentioned before, he did an awesome job with the film. Mama, I think he also wrote Mama, if I'm not mistaken, directed both volumes or chapters of the it movies that were remade. I thought he killed it.
00:04:44
Speaker
And, you know, spoiler, but not really just kind of an indication of how well this film was made or how good it is. In my opinion, he is actually going to direct the Batman flick now. It was announced. This was impressive. And, you know, we always make sure to those of you that are listening that we don't talk about what we think about the movie beforehand.
00:05:14
Speaker
We see the movie right after work on a Thursday and we just come in raw. Like this is fresh. Neither of us know what the other person thinks. And so just keep that in mind as we're talking about this.
00:05:25
Speaker
Yeah, I have no idea where Andrew's going to go. And I mean, I think there is an initial indication, at least for me, as we're getting prepped for the episode, potentially how you felt leaving the movie, but certainly not getting into the details, not discussing any plot or even some of the surprise things that are in here that I flagged that
00:05:49
Speaker
For Kevin Smith fans that are out there, there was a huge nod, a tip of the hat that I thought was super badass. That is true. I just want to point out that I could be a saboteur with what I told you my response was.
00:06:07
Speaker
You could. Yeah, that is true. And if you think I
Multiverse Concepts and Easter Eggs
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Speaker
read your notes, you are sorely mistaken. Right. No, I think this film was
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Done well. Andy did a good job. Me and him are on a first name, you know, basis because he made horror movies that I love. Andy or Andrew. They're just good. They're good people. Yeah, that's right. Andy's, Andrew's. I think I like Andy's more than Andrew's. Should I go by Andy? Should I change it up? No, you should not. I will never call you Andy.
00:06:47
Speaker
I'm sorry. I refuse. Don't call me Andy. It's almost like P Diddy when he went from Puff Daddy to P Diddy to Diddy to whatever the hell he's called now. I refuse. You know, with like all the moving around I did as a kid, I have different groups of people that call me like by different versions of Andrew and then like oddly enough, like people I date, they call me Drew. So I don't know why. I like Drew. Drew's all right. Yeah, Drew's not bad, but we're not dating soon.
00:07:16
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. We could change that, though, if we really wanted to. We could. Andy could go by Drew Muschietti, but Andy Muschietti sounds better. There's the Andy Muschietti. There he goes. I respect anyone with the same Andy or Andrew with an Italian last name. For those of you that don't know, my last name is Chicarelli.
00:07:38
Speaker
That's his government name. So I got my government name revealed, what, two episodes ago, maybe. That's true. Both of you have, both of us have very uncommon names, so. Yeah, that's right. If you're the last one by socials, one, two, three, four. Yeah. Mine's eight, six, three, two. Let me check that. Wow. I got a credit alert. Someone's opening a credit card. I'm quick. I'm quick.
00:08:08
Speaker
Uh, so Andy Muschietti, I think he did a great job. He's, you know, directed this film, directed horror films before this looks like he's now making a huge pivot into big budget blockbusters. He's going to be up for the next Batman movie, which is not Robert Pattinson. It's not, uh, Michael Keaton and all, you know, any of these people, it will be a new Batman that I think James Gunn is going to cast. Right.
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Speaker
It could be a name that we're going to drop in four minutes and 10 seconds. Are there any rumors of who it could be already?
Final Thoughts and Recommendations
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Speaker
Did you stay for the after credits? I did. So those of you that want the spoilers or have already seen it, make sure you stick around until we were talking about the non-spoiler part.
00:09:04
Speaker
Yeah, and there is an after credit scene. There's only one, and you do have to wait through the whole thing. That is true. And the spoiler that we're talking about is not the after credit, or maybe it is, but we're going to do a little misdirection for those of you that don't want to be spoiled. Try to keep you on your toes. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, good idea. OK, so $200, $220 million budget. That's a fat budget for a film.
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Speaker
And, you know, for $220 million, you would think that they might have had enough money to finish the CGI, which definitely was not finished. That's the only the story was good. We'll get into that. But the, you know, right out the gate, the first criticism I have on this flick is the CGI.
00:09:55
Speaker
It was very I had to actually stop, you know, during the film and thinking to myself, like, is this intentionally trying to look like a video game, like cinematic cut scene or is this
00:10:10
Speaker
the best they could do or, you know, James Gunn came in and now they're like, hey, sorry, your CGI budget is halved or whatever. But it there are some moments that were bad, even like, well, I shouldn't say even especially when double Barry was on the screen, I could see like,
00:10:30
Speaker
They're digitally imposing his
Spoiler Alert: Complex Narrative and Themes
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Speaker
face, Ezra Miller, onto this body double. You could tell when they were doing the digitally-opposed and you could tell when they were filming it twice, if that makes sense. It was weird enough to make me notice and take me out of it, but overall, I thought it was a good film.
00:11:00
Speaker
We'll get into that in a little more detail, but I liked it. Where'd you fall on it? Where did I fall? Here's what I say. If I didn't know what I knew about the DC universe and how they're resetting it, and if I didn't suspect that the CGI budget was probably just cut off when they decided to just blow up the whole universe, I would be a little bit harder on it. But there's a part of me that respects the directors too much.
00:11:30
Speaker
And if they don't have the budget to finish their vision or the budget they were promised that I'm not going to knock it as hard as if they, like, if it was a movie that had the full back in the studio and that was their finished product and they were happy with it.
Opening Scenes and Central Conflict
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It would, uh, the visuals would have taken me out a lot more, but I was a lot more forgiving, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, if, uh, you know, if we're doing our.
00:12:00
Speaker
our study pipe grade on it. And there's a five puffs would be a perfect film that can even be achieved. And an average film would be three puffs. I want to give this one four puffs. Okay, four. I really liked it.
00:12:22
Speaker
There's a lot that goes on in this movie. There's a lot of different set pieces. There's a lot of different timelines. I don't think that's a spoiler so much. You see the trailer that there's two berries. There's a lot going on and there's a lot to manage. And keeping that in mind, I'm very impressed with how they're able to wrap everything up.
00:12:44
Speaker
and the risks that they were taking with the type of character development. There's certain things that happened in this movie that you would not expect in a typical like Marvel film or even a DC film. That they, there was a pretty brave film, I would say. You know, I'd interject and kind of build on that.
00:13:03
Speaker
So first off, I give it three puffs. I thought it was good, not great. It was the best DC movie. I think in my opinion, I liked it more than all the others. This one was really funny.
00:13:17
Speaker
Good. Eric Stoltz. Eric Stoltz. Oh my God. We'll get into that. All right. Hilarious. Yeah. This is a minor spoiler, but it's not a plot point spoiler. You already know that the timeline's changed. Everyone knows that Michael Keaton's back. That's not a spoiler. Yeah. Keaton's back is Batman. You see him in the trailer.
00:13:40
Speaker
Barry is, he travels back in time to try to save his mother from dying. That's the major plot device of this film. When he goes back in a time, I think you can gather all this from the trailers. It's pretty explicit. You know, he goes back in time to save his mother and in doing so, he creates, you know, multiple timelines is multiverse. And in the universe or the
00:14:09
Speaker
reality he's in where he meets, you know, his slightly younger self, the other Barry. In that one, Michael J. Fox is not Marty McFly in the Back to the Future movie, so they nod.
00:14:25
Speaker
You know, they pay respect to the time travel component of the film by, you know, nodding to back to the future. And it's really an end for those movie buffs out there, people who really are down and pay attention to, you know, filmmaking and all this. Eric Stoltz was originally considered for the role of Marty McFly. So, you know, let me interject here. Yeah, of course.
00:14:51
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What I think this movie did for Easter eggs, I think this evolved. This is the first evolution I've seen in Easter eggs in a long time. This is the best use of Easter eggs I've probably ever seen.
00:15:10
Speaker
This took an Easter egg and it made an Easter egg. These are the nested Russian dolls that are Easter eggs now. And it's not like Star Wars where it's like, you know, you're like touching your nose. You're like, oh, you know who Obi-Wan is. No, this is like.
00:15:25
Speaker
This, this guy, this, the script, this director, they're like, we're making this a strike for people that are deep into film lore, that they know their stuff and they spent some of this stuff. They spent a lot of money on things that you'd only know if you might've watched like a panel interview on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's, I, that, that is, I've been so tired of Easter eggs lately. Like, you know, it's just fan service. And maybe this is like,
00:15:52
Speaker
feeding into this part of me that's hipster and falsely thinks I know movies more than I do. But whatever this is, it's fed into that Easter egg thing that I haven't felt in a long time. It is great. Amen. I second that. Just to drive the point home, what this movie does, we see in the Spider-Man flicks, the newest ones, this multiverse, we see the Marvel,
00:16:22
Speaker
We see these concepts in films right now, contemporary blockbusters in cinema, but something that is interesting in this film that they did is they took all of these things like these
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Speaker
things we've heard over the years about filmmaking and stories and about this, you know, oh, you know, if Burt Reynolds was Indiana Jones rather than Tom Selleck, you know, Harrison Ford, that kind of thing, they make
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Speaker
the reality in this film. So, you know, Eric Stoltz, we all know, I mean, people who love Back to the Future, they have all heard the story at some point that Eric Stoltz could have been Marty McFly. Well, he is Marty McFly in this universe. There's
Time Travel and Its Consequences
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Speaker
a lot of other, like,
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Speaker
Hollywood movie production, what ifs that are reality as Easter eggs in this film. And it's super badass. It's super cool. It made me stop and laugh out loud, like multiple times. I don't really laugh out loud during films that often, you know, not films. Did you find so maybe you were in a. More knowledgeable audience than I was, my theater was packed and
00:17:44
Speaker
you know, I wouldn't solve it with a mutual friend of ours, Corbin. And we were, we were the only ones laughing at some of these references. I think some of this flew over people's heads. Yeah, probably did. I mean, there are some, some giggles here and there, but I definitely, there were moments where I was laughing and I was the only one laughing. Oh yeah. It, you know, of course anyone that's listening to this podcast, you, you already know all these things. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So, okay. Before we spoil any of that,
00:18:14
Speaker
I want to spoil it so bad. Me too. And it's so good. Three puffs for me of smoke out of five. Go see it though. It's cool if you like superhero movies and especially if you've been kind of casually following what DC is doing. Go see it. It's super cool.
00:18:36
Speaker
Barry travels back in time to save his mother, creates all these unintended consequences that are really interesting. They play out really interesting, like we're talking. These Easter eggs are in there. And there's also a very real nod to all of the different DC actors who have taken on the role of Batman, Superman, that they pay respect to in this. So that was cool.
00:19:05
Speaker
And overall, the story, I mean, it's pretty cut and dry. The emotional core of the film is the loss of Barry's mother. And ultimately, I think the message I took away from the film is sometimes you just have to accept loss and appreciate
00:19:28
Speaker
kind of where you're at in life and appreciate the things you had, there are some things you can't change, you just have to accept and move past. Exactly. And, you know, before we get to the spoiler side, very well said, like, that's a, it's actually very well said, you took some of the words out of my mouth, so fuck you. So I'm not gonna add on
Assembling a New Team Against Zod
00:19:54
Speaker
to that and leave that as it is, because I like what you said.
00:19:57
Speaker
I do want to say a few things. Um, you know, there's, there's a lot of flash stories out there and, you know, some of the beats might be the same as what you've seen before, but I promise you the way that they approach the beats, the way that they approach the different like aspects of the multiverse and things like that. It's fresh. It's new. Some of the CGI is bad, but they, you know, they took their shot
00:20:27
Speaker
And I respect the hell out of that. So, you know, don't come out of it being like, Oh, you know, I watched the eight seasons of the CW flash and some of these beats were the same. If you really like sit down and think about it, it's not. This movie has some really hardcore elements that you don't see in a blockbuster comic book movies. You just don't. And you'll understand after you watch it. Yeah. Well said. I think they pushed.
00:20:55
Speaker
pushed it quite a bit and I really enjoyed their use of the word dick. They dropped it in multiple spots throughout the film that I thought was great. What was it? How did they say it again? I was laughing. What was the phrase? Which one? No, one of the things that we'll say the first bullet part. Well, the big thing like kind of piggybacking off like the humor and
00:21:25
Speaker
the use of curse words throughout the film, which were well placed is the younger Barry in the alternate timeline. I loved him. He was hilarious. He was like a beach bomb, like hippie kind of personality. So a lot of comedy. Yeah. Ezra Miller, you know, maybe he can act man. Holy shit. Oh yeah. No, no. That like range range. He sold this entire movie. Like no joke.
00:21:54
Speaker
No joke. I wasn't impressed before this and I thank you for bringing that up because we would have jumped into spoilers and I'd have forgot to really kind of harp on that for folks who are contemplating, you know, seeing it. He really was like neurotic as the normal Barry, the timeline were in the beginning, very quirky and weird and
00:22:17
Speaker
played it so well and then he's playing opposite of himself obviously and that version of Barry was totally opposite. It was so laid back and like funny and they felt like two different people. Like he sold it. Exactly. And Hugh like what's weird and oh man and I you know I know he's been accused of starting a cult
00:22:41
Speaker
I don't really know a bunch about all that kind of stuff. Maybe that's why, man. Maybe he's a charisma. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to like, I don't want to like, you know, say some stuff and be like, Oh, you know, I still want to see Ezra Miller movies and find out he does some really horrible shit because I've not researched on it. I don't know what really, what he's done to be honest there. Yeah, neither do I. So this is all pretty surprising from a professional.
00:23:09
Speaker
viewpoint, not a personal he killed it. He did a great job. Yeah, he's he's he wrote that line where his character hit the one he's playing against himself one that you haven't seen is so outlandish and over the top, but at the same time, is reserved enough that it feels like a real person. Yeah, the human never crosses that line.
00:23:34
Speaker
It was like he feels a surfer riding the perfect waves. I was so impressed. Now, before we hit spoilers, there's one other person we have to tip our hat to and talk about for those who are going into it. It's Michael Keaton, man. Yes. Michael Keaton killed it. Back as Batman, I was like, hell yeah. Oh, man.
00:24:00
Speaker
You could see how much he's grown as an actor since that first Batman. It was 1992 folks was the last time he was Batman. 1992. It's been 31 years. There's so much. All right. I'm gonna give Michael Keaton a nine out of 10. I'm gonna save that 10 for like special spots. And if I had to give it a puff, I'm gonna give it a 4.4 puffs out of five.
00:24:30
Speaker
Oh, if my if I'm just like how well did Michael Keaton do and how like happy am I with him in the five out of five? He did everything I wanted to do. When I'm thinking like five, I'm giving that to like five people ever. Like I wouldn't be that hard. I respect that.
00:24:49
Speaker
But for those listening, if you are like, oh, Michael Keaton's back, like, I wonder what that's like. It was cool, man. He was super like, he was in it. He was vibing. And it wasn't like it was forced. It works so well. It works so well.
Multiverse Crisis and Timeline Failures
00:25:04
Speaker
Yeah. And it was cool to see him, you know, when they introduce him and then see him kind of progress in the movie. There's one thing also I want to say,
00:25:15
Speaker
You had mentioned there's a lot going on in this film. They could have easily made this a two or three film, you know, trilogy or, you know, there's a lot, they, a lot of beats that they hit. This film should have been a fuck up. Let's be honest. There's so much going on. This film should not have worked as well as it did. And, you know, as we're recording right now, this is 67% of Rotten Tomatoes. We're just gonna say is fuck the critics.
00:25:44
Speaker
200 reviews over 200. You're going to enjoy this movie. If a critic's job is to convey to their audience whether or not they're going to enjoy a movie or not, going back to Roger Ebert, who I still think is like the goat for fucking movie critics.
00:26:01
Speaker
These critics are failing. This is a movie that people are going to enjoy. When I was, you know, when I left the movie theater and people were walking out, everyone was happy. So 67%, fuck off. Audience score on tomatoes is what, 88? Oh yeah. And you know, there's a lot of people that, 88 considering all the bad propaganda deserved or not with Ezra Miller. That's amazing.
00:26:31
Speaker
It really is. It should not have worked. It did. The CGI budget obviously wasn't finished, and the movie was still good enough to overcome that. Yeah. Yeah, even with the shitty CGI, I was still like, this is dope. I'm following along, and I'm invested. Yeah. Usually, that takes me out of the movie.
00:26:57
Speaker
For whatever reason, I was just like, this is okay. I'm okay with this. It was interesting. We're going to get into why it's interesting. Spoilers are going to start right now, right here. If you're listening and you want to wait or you want to go into it with no spoilers,
00:27:16
Speaker
Hit pause. Catch the next episode. Come back. Whatever you got to do. Here's the line. We are drawing. There it is. There it is. So now it's spoiler time. If you're here, then you know that the DC and Marvel officially crossed over. I'm just kidding. Yeah. The Hulk appeared and killed General Zod, ripped him in half.
00:27:40
Speaker
Oh, and on Zod. So it was cool to see him
Unexpected Cameos and New DCEU Directions
00:27:44
Speaker
as the big bad again. And he was like way more bad and like indestructible in this film than any of the other. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So.
00:27:54
Speaker
So we're gonna, uh, I totally agree. Um, and give a, give a high level synopsis, hit the beats all checked if you're missing anything. Yeah. So you're the spoilers though. So you've been warned. And if you haven't seen the movie, then you already know it's coming. So this movie, you know, you start off with your, your falling Barry, obviously it's his movie and
00:28:22
Speaker
you start off seeing him basically, you know, he has to eat because he runs so fast, you know, so he's always hungry. And you're dropped right into a morning where he's trying to get breakfast. And he has to go save this hospital that's collapsing because Batman is chasing these people with this new massive pandemic level virus that's been created in the lab.
00:28:48
Speaker
And you're given, you know, this is the first time that you're gonna see this really bad CGI that we're talking about, because the wing is collapsing. And it's a maternity ward. And all these babies are falling out of the window. And they look like that fucking
00:29:06
Speaker
the old Super Bowl like CGI baby that was dancing, like that kind of thing. It's bad. But it's also kind of hardcore because you have all these babies falling out of a window. And it's not like he just quickly goes and captures them all. He stuffs a baby in a microwave. He stuffs a baby in a microwave to stop it from being blown up. And before he even tries to save the babies,
00:29:34
Speaker
he's low on energy like he's running out of speed so the babies are falling faster and faster to death like this movie hangs a long time on this idea that if the flash doesn't do something all these babies are gonna splatter on the ground like that's that's rough that's hard yeah that's hard to that's hard to see like even though you know that he's going to do it like they're not gonna let these babies die it's there's a lot of tension in there and
00:30:01
Speaker
Like we said, he gets called to this situation before he can eat his breakfast. He's critically low on calories, so he can't run fast. And he sees this vending machine that's falling out of the collapsing building. Instead of going to save the babies right away, he goes to the vending machine and just starts mowing down on all this food. So you get this montage of the flash flying through the air, jumping off in different objects to get different food that's just falling out of the sky.
00:30:31
Speaker
And it works. Yeah, he does it. Like, saves them all. He does. And it's cheesy, but it works really well.
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah, he it works. Well, you know, you're introduced to the fact that, you know, he has to eat a ton of food to really, you know, do what he needs to do. And I think quickly after that scene, he joins forces with Wonder Woman who makes a brief appearance. Oh, yeah. And Batman, of course. Ben Affleck, Batman. And he has that's the
00:31:10
Speaker
Some of the best comedy lines that you've heard from Batman ever, because Wonder Woman basically comes in at the last second and saves Batman, who is holding the guy that sold the virus that we just talked about. And they're taking it over a bridge, and she lasses both of them, pulls them off the bridge. And this entire time, like you're being told by Alfred over at Intercom that if the virus falls in the ocean,
00:31:33
Speaker
50% of Gotham is going to be dead. Yeah, it's game over here if it falls. It's the Wonder Woman that comes with the last second and saves them. And she's got Batman lassoed still. And all of a sudden Batman's like,
00:31:46
Speaker
Well, she compliments him, right? So
Full Spoiler Discussion and CGI Critique
00:31:48
Speaker
the lasso of truth is on Batman. Wonder Woman gives him a compliment or something. And he's like, my ego will not allow for him to acknowledge this and say they can. And you're like, wait, what the hell is he saying? And then the camera pans down and you see the lasso of truth is on him. And you're like, oh, hell yeah. And the flash, you know, it's on the flash. Wait, wait, wait. Before that, the best life for Batman ever.
00:32:14
Speaker
where he's like, he's looking down and he's got the lasso on him. And he's like, I overcompensate for my parents' death and all that wealth. And if I really wanted to save Gotham, I would be more charitable because any poverty is the best way to solve crime. Yeah, it's like, you know, the lasso is on.
00:32:36
Speaker
the flash and he says something to the effect of like, I know what sex is, but I've never had sex before. Then he's like, Oh my God. He's like flustered, taking the lasso off. It's pretty funny. It made me laugh. Which actually like, let's go back to, uh, you know, the first justice league where, you know, he falls on Wonder Woman and they have that awkward scene where it's like faces in her boobs.
00:33:03
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. It's not awkward like that because it's actually a setup for the next act of the film. This film isn't like your traditional three acts. There's like five or six acts, really. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Yeah, it's not a traditional film. And man, I'm losing my geek status here. What is the girl, like his love interest in the comics name again? Oh, God, what's her name? Oh, Irish West.
00:33:33
Speaker
Yeah, there you go. And so it's really like a setup that the Flash is, it's reminding you, this joke reminds you that the Flash is awkward. He has no social skills. He's still a virgin. He's never been with a woman. It's not just there for a laugh because it immediately drags you into the next kind of mini act where
00:33:58
Speaker
You see that Barry is still trying to free his father. He's still caught up on his father being falsely accused of murdering his mother. Yeah. So just to back it up a little bit, you know, the beginning is this action set piece where the flash is helping save the day and he's not really getting the credit and appreciation that Batman and Wonder Woman get kind of a janitor. Yeah. He's there to do the cleanup.
00:34:25
Speaker
And then after that action set piece, it transitions into, you know, the Flash's love interest kind of touching base with him on his father's ongoing trial. His father's on trial for murdering his mother and his mother died from a break-in. Someone broke into the home.
00:34:48
Speaker
killed her while her dad was out at the grocery store picking up some food and the police accused the father of doing it. So the Flash's main mission I guess in this film before he travels back in time is really trying to get evidence
00:35:09
Speaker
into the record that will prove his father's innocence. So he's very stressed out. He lost his mother. He's about to lose his father to the justice system. He makes a comment about the justice system, felling him, the whole thing. And that's kind of like the catalyst of this whole story is when he's talking to Iris, right?
00:35:39
Speaker
I don't think Barry, the film recognizes that Barry didn't have great development in the Justice League and how he was featured.
00:35:49
Speaker
So he kind of comes to this realization when Iris, she's a reporter, she's reporting on his father's conviction, like his appeal. And you don't really know if she's trying to get a scoop on him or if she's actually interested in him. They have a history where they're classmates in college and it seems like there's some romantic chemistry that never got fulfilled back then.
00:36:13
Speaker
So Barry's in the state of not knowing if he could trust her, like if she's just trying to make a news story on his father, or if she is actually someone that might like him. And he's so insecure that he's 99% acting in a way that she's just trying to get a scoop on him. But she comes over to his apartment, and this is the night before his father's appeal. And she was talking to him, and she's asking him why he works in a crime lab.
00:36:42
Speaker
and why he's so passionate about working in a crime lab. And suggest to him that maybe the justice system failed him and that's why he is so passionate. And that spurs him to realize that he does work in the crime lab to try to fix the broken justice system. It's almost like he hadn't realized that was driving him before. And at that moment he realizes that he can run so fast because of the Justice League movie that he can go back in time
00:37:11
Speaker
that maybe he could go back in time and fix, you know, his mom dying and fix his father being falsely accused of murder. Yeah. And just fix his whole life. You know, I have his parents and all this and yeah. And most importantly, he suggests he could fix everything. But Batman, Ben Affleck, Batfleck, he tells him, don't do it. Don't go back in time. You butterfly effect. Like it will.
00:37:40
Speaker
you won't be able to do it. You will not be able to do it right. I mean, you will destroy and change things for the worse, you know. His love interest, she comes over to talk to him and there's a nice comedic scene, you know, where he like quickly cleans up his dirty apartment. And she comes in and like,
00:38:05
Speaker
you know, all the trash falls out everywhere because he stuffed it in cabinets. Yeah, he uses his flash powers. She surprises him at his apartment. And as they're walking up, he uses his flash powers to go and clean up his apartment, he stuffs everything in different closets. She comes in, she's like, Oh,
00:38:25
Speaker
You're a lot tidier than I thought you would be. Yeah, then it's like the classic classic like a Von Phil from the 1930s type stuff. Yeah, but you know, she makes a comment that triggers this idea in his mind that if he just goes back and does it very subtly, he can change the timeline for the better and there won't be any problem.
00:38:52
Speaker
And so he does, he's like, hey, I got to go. And he leaves her in his house, travels back in time. And, you know, he thinks he's, he's good, he's there, his mom's alive, his dad's there, they have a happy home. He's having a meal with them. And then he sees, you know, the other Barry out in front yard. And he's like, I gotta go. And he's like, I gotta go take a shit. Remember?
00:39:17
Speaker
He's like, I got his shit outside. I got his shit outside. It was pretty funny. And so he runs out there and he tackles or grabs the other Barry. And that's what opens up, I guess, the adventure, right? Where he's telling him, hey, I'm you from another timeline. I have powers. And this Barry doesn't. You know, the young Barry, younger Barry does not have the flash powers yet.
00:39:47
Speaker
And then, you know, it just so happens that that day that he arrives, you know, there, he actually like coordinates getting younger, bury his powers, right? Yeah. That's the day it happens. It just happens to be that the day he, because he gets pushed into this timeline by some mysterious figure that he's in the speed force and some, he sees this purple guy.
00:40:15
Speaker
that has electricity coming out of it when he just pushes them through the speed force into this random time. And that's how he gets here. And it just happens to be
00:40:25
Speaker
the day that he originally got his powers, the day he got struck by lightning while working in the crime lab. Yeah, and so he realizes that, takes young Barry, who's like fully on board with like, wow, you got powers, you're super cool dude, like super, yeah, he's talking about tripping and whatnot too. He's like, if I get a mushroom, yeah, mushroom flashback. Yeah, he's like, is this a mushroom flashback? Oh my God.
00:40:52
Speaker
But what happens is with older Barry trying to get younger, Barry, his powers, he loses his powers. So you have like a novice flash for the majority of the film, which makes it pretty funny, right? You have a flash who's new to the game. The senior flash is powerless and he's having to, you know, he's making jokes about like how slow he moves and all this stuff. And it was all done pretty well.
00:41:22
Speaker
Yeah, that was done well. And when I when he first lost his powers, they kind of got the sense of that from the trailer. Like, they kind of hinted at that. There's a part of me that was like, man, am I gonna have to watch like the rest of the film without like the flash speed or will there be like full power? Yeah. And I was dreading that for a second. Luckily, they they solve that pretty quickly.
00:41:46
Speaker
Yeah, it was, it wasn't a big deal. I mean, I also like, Oh man, this is a trope. Like I don't, I'm going to have to sit through this, but it wasn't done poorly at all. It was cool. You know, cause it was almost like a mentor teaching someone and like,
00:42:02
Speaker
he wasn't suffering for it. You know, we were, you're putting these positions where because he doesn't have his powers, you're like, Oh my God, it's so much more difficult than it needs to be. It was all done. It was, yeah, it was like, it wasn't done as a trope. It was done because, you know, if he had his powers at that point, he would have just left. Yeah. So they keep him without powers just long enough to get to a point where he's emotionally motivated enough to do the story. Yeah. And what he realizes pretty quick,
00:42:31
Speaker
is he's in a timeline where there's not really, well he thinks there's not really any metahumans, any superheroes. He's trying to find the cyborg, he's trying to find Aquaman, and the reason he's trying to find these people, they see on the news that Zod is invading.
00:42:53
Speaker
So this is the day that Zod and Manisteal invades Earth and puts out that transmission that you're harboring this Kryptonian, deliver him to us, or we're going to destroy you, that kind of thing.
00:43:13
Speaker
Barry, older Barry's like, I know how this story goes, you know, in my timeline, Zod kills thousands, thousands of people, billions, you know, whatever. We need to stop this. Oh, yeah. And that flashback he had where you find out that because the flash just got his powers just before Zod's invasion, he was still brand new. So he gets this heartbreaking flashback where the flash is in Gotham City.
00:43:42
Speaker
And he's trying to save people, but he doesn't really know how to use his powers yet. And if you remember the, the terraforming machine, it's basically like empty gravity where it just picks things up and just smashes it down. So the flash is running in and can't use his powers really well yet. And he sees this kid as his father and the gravity machine just picks them both up and the flash is able to run and grab the kid.
00:44:11
Speaker
And the father's reaching out trying to, you know, plead for his kid. And the flash realizes that the gravity machine is about to smash them all back down again. And all he could do is cover the kid's eyes. Yeah. Sit there and watch it happen. Yeah. It was hardcore. Yeah. It was hardcore. And, you know, it was cool to know that the flash was there that day trying to do stuff.
00:44:37
Speaker
Um, but you know, so that prompts, you know, older Barry to say, Hey, this is a serious threat. So it's here. We need to go get help from Superman. We need to find Superman. We need to find Batman Aquaman. Basically we need to get the justice league together to stop this threat. Well, he finds out pretty quick that cyborg's not a thing. Aquaman doesn't exist. He was never born.
00:45:03
Speaker
Wonder Woman, I don't know that they say exactly what her fate is, but she's not around, right? Yeah, she might still be, you know, she might, you know, she might never have been discovered during World War Two, you know? Yeah. So who knows what she's up to? She's this old woman. All he finds is this old woman that's kind of doing like a burlesque or TZ. Okay, it goes on the internet is like Wonder Woman and it's some like 1990s website. This old lady, it's pretty funny.
00:45:34
Speaker
And he's unable to find any records of. Superman Clark. Yeah, because there's tens of thousands of Clark heads. Yeah, so the search comes down to trying to find Superman, because obviously he knows Superman. Or so he thinks is there because Zod's there asking for him. The other one that he realizes pretty quick exists is Batman.
00:46:03
Speaker
And it's funny because the group of friends that Barry has, his college friends, confirm that Batman is in this universe. And they're like, no one knows who Batman is. And one of the friends has, they're talking about Back to the Future and the Eric Stoltz thing comes up. This guy, one of the friends has Eric Stoltz, his Marty McFly, tattooed on his leg.
00:46:30
Speaker
and busts it out and it's hilarious. And older Barry's like, no, Michael J Fox is Marty McFly. Like, what are you talking about? And what was funny is who they say Tom Cruise was in or as Maverick in Top Gun. Oh, it was Kevin Bacon. Yeah, Kevin. So see, these are all the little twists and turns.
00:46:53
Speaker
Eric Stoltz's Marty McFly and Back to the Future and Top Gun, Kevin Bacon is maverick. And they said someone else too, Footloose, who was in Footloose? Oh, that was, that was, ah, fucking Michael J. Fox.
00:47:12
Speaker
Oh, that's right. Cause then he's like Kevin Bacon. They're like, what? The guy who's in that movie with jets playing volleyball. Yeah. So Michael J Fox was in footloose and Kevin Bacon was in talking in this universe, which is pretty funny. It was, it was a good use of, uh, of, of movie kind of humor trivia all mixed in, but yeah. Yeah. The, uh,
00:47:38
Speaker
And I want to go back and see if like, if any of those castings were, if that's just like randomly made up or if, uh, you know, Michael J. Fox was in the running for fruitless. Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious. I was thinking the same thing because, you know, Eric Stoltz was obviously, we talked about that, but Michael J. Fox in the running or even, you know, Kevin Bacon for Top Gun, was he in the running? Exactly. Like, and there's enough references like later on in the movie.
00:48:08
Speaker
that are such deep cuts that I would be surprised if that really was the case. Yeah. So they know Batman is in the universe. So, you know, Barry, older Barry's like, we're going to Wayne Manor. We need to find Batman. We need his help. They get there and they discover like a recluse old beat up Batman who looks like almost like the dude from the big Lebowski vibes. Um,
00:48:37
Speaker
And it's Michael Keaton, and he's kind of fighting them off as home intruders, you know. But they convince him. He looks like a beach bump. Yeah, he looks like the dude from the Big Lebowski, like straight up. Yeah, exactly.
00:48:53
Speaker
And they convince him though, they tell him like, Hey, you know, I'm from the future. I traveled back in time and Michael Keaton's Batman explains the multiverse using spaghetti, which was pretty, pretty cool. Yeah. I want to, I really want to kind of emphasize on this. I love that in this universe that this Batman has a much better understanding of
00:49:16
Speaker
Everything. He was super smart. Michael Keaton's Batman was like super intelligent. Because, you know, Batfleck, he kind of understood time and space, but he didn't know about the multiverse. But Michael Keaton's Batman knew about the multiverse. Yeah, he was all about it. Yeah, and they never explained where he got this knowledge from. And you definitely never see it in the movies. But this was something that was just, it was like readily available to him, if that makes sense. Yeah.
00:49:45
Speaker
So he's initially hesitant. He doesn't really want to help. So they break in the Batcave and use Batman's, you know, ability to like hack into NASA and all these organizations to try to locate Clark Kent. And what they find ultimately is the Soviets have a subject, you know, Supergirl locked up in Siberia. Yeah, the Soviet Union is still around.
00:50:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, Michael Keaton's Batman is like, all right, I'm with you guys. I'll help you. He comes around. Yeah. And you find out that he's, uh, he knows they're in a back cave and he's watching him through a camera and Barry kind of just takes a shot in the dark and he's like, I know that your trauma is that you lost your parents. Like he's starting to understand that there's these, you know, fate might be a big thing in this universe and kind of like in, uh,
00:50:44
Speaker
You know, those of you that saw the Spider-Man movie that there's these Canada events that are just going to take place for every Batman or every Barry, every Flash, you know? Yeah, there's always an Uncle Ben, you know, there's always these kinds of things that occur no matter what you have to accept, which, you know, was the earlier comment I made about my takeaway on the film is some things you can't change. Some things you have to accept. But you didn't know that was a spoiler until now.
00:51:15
Speaker
Yeah, that's right. It pays to stay tuned. It does. So Michael Keaton whips out the bat plane, whatever the hell it's called, it's super badass, and they haul ass to Siberia, where they think they're going to find Clark Kent, but they find Supergirl, and they unleash her and
00:51:38
Speaker
Um, she, she was cool. You know, she, she wasn't as big of a role as I had thought from the trailers, but I liked her, her character arc. It seemed though, that she's destined to die in this timeline or, or, you know, when they made the flash, they didn't know the DC universe was going to end and that team was going to take over.
00:52:04
Speaker
And this film introduced a very... I really liked her as Superwoman. Like, I was very moved by her character. Yes, she was cool. And she had a really big emotional reaction to the situation that was happening that was different than Clark Kent, you know, Kal-El, when in the original Superman movie that Zack Snyder made, it was really powerful. You know, she was sent there to protect Superman as a baby.
00:52:33
Speaker
And there's no payoff. In every iteration, she's dead. She dies and this universe gets taken over by Zod. Yeah, and they try to change it. They try to save her. Basically, the movie culminates with
00:52:50
Speaker
Supergirl being convinced to kind of join the fight and stopping Zod from invading the planet. Batman's there, the two flashes. Supergirl, they got their own version of a Justice League and they go to battle against Zod who, like I said earlier, is a badass.
00:53:12
Speaker
Indestructible, they don't they don't kill Zod in this at all. You know, the timeline is Zod wins. He gets Supergirl's DNA to be able to basically take over the earth and terraform it into Krypton. Yeah, so yeah. They don't find I mean, really like the entire last act of the film is that they really do not find a single instance where they when there's no Dr. Strange coming in, be like, Oh, we have a
00:53:42
Speaker
one out of this infinite there's there's no universe where they would yeah no and and the point you know the movie is they have to accept the failure in this timeline but what happens at the end of the film is young berry young flash is trying so hard to find a way to
00:54:01
Speaker
defeat Zod and prevent this from happening, that he actually creates this like inflection point in the multiverse and starts like destroying and pulling in all these different universes, all these different variants. And that's when you get to see some of these badass cameos. Yeah. And, uh, so that, that original figure that you saw, that was, uh, that, that pushed Barry through into this timeline.
00:54:31
Speaker
turned out to be an older version of the young Barry. Yeah. Going through millions of iterations of trying to stop sod in this timeline. You know, he's traveling back in time. Let me try this back in time. Let me try that. And it just taken him years. He's aged to like a 60 year old version of the flash trying to make this happen.
00:54:54
Speaker
And, um, he's like the ultimate bad. Yeah. He's basically saying like, no matter what I do, you know, this universe fails and you go back in time and undo what you did that let your mom live. And then I'm still running around here and I always go back to the time where you come through into this multiverse and I push you through to that timeline to create me.
00:55:24
Speaker
we've been in this infinite loop forever. Like you just, it always goes this way. And he's convinced that he's so close to a solution, but you can tell that that's just insanity that he's probably always felt close. Yeah. And you know, I, this is like the last 10 minutes of the film, so I don't want to spoil the exact ending, but during this battle, this time travel battle,
00:55:54
Speaker
the cameos. That's what I want to talk about. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think we finally get Nicholas Cage is the man of steel. Yes. Yes. We got to Nick Cage, Nicholas Cage, national treasure, raising Arizona face of Nicholas Cage as Superman. And for those of you who are uninitiated,
00:56:18
Speaker
Nicholas Cage was tied to an actual Superman movie written by Kevin Smith to be directed by Tim Burton. There was pre-production photos of him in a suit. And the plot, go look it up. It's a hilarious, I guess, Hollywood insider behind the scenes story by Kevin Smith.
00:56:42
Speaker
But the plot revolved around Superman fighting a giant spider in the third act of the film. Yes. Exactly. And when you see Nicolas Cage's Superman, who's he fighting? He's fighting. They show him. So you can't see him at first.
00:57:02
Speaker
You just see a Superman with long hair, and you're like, what? And he's fighting this big-ass spider. And I knew immediately, because I very. I was like, no one else is laughing. I was laughing my ass off. It was a deep cut. It was a deep cut.
00:57:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's so awesome because I know the Kevin Smith story. He was brought on to write a Superman flick. The producer told him he had to put a giant spider in the third act. Barbara Streisand's hairdresser, who she propped up to become a producer.
00:57:35
Speaker
Yes. And it didn't work out. And he went on to put it in Wild Wild West with Will Smith. That's why he was a big-ass, big-ass spider in that movie. Yeah. So it was hilarious. So I knew immediately, oh my god, this is Nicolas Cage fighting this spider. Well, sure enough, the camera pans around. He's fighting this big-ass spider. And you're getting a peek into this other universe. And boom, there's Nicolas Cage.
00:58:03
Speaker
as Superman in the outfit, the long hair, super bad ass. It was so cool to see him as Superman. Exactly. And not only that, they showed in other universes, they made Adam West, Batman, Cannon. They made George Reeves, Superman from way back in the day.
00:58:33
Speaker
the old TV show. He made an appearance in these multiverses. You had Cesar Romero's Joker. You can hear him laughing. Oh, and there was another extremely deep cut for in the same vein of Eric Stoltz.
00:58:57
Speaker
So you saw Christopher Reeves and Superwoman, right? Yep. Oh yeah. Yeah. So they show Christopher Reeve as Superman, which was awesome. Yes. And so Superman three was originally supposed to have, um, there was supposed to be, there was supposed to be, uh, maybe a super red four. So don't disregard either three or four was originally supposed to have superwoman in it.
00:59:26
Speaker
And the actress was the one that would go on to play the 1984 super girl. And I think that was Helen Slater or something. But it was all go. And then Christopher Reeves, for whatever reason, just said, fuck that. It doesn't feel right. And so they nicked this entire fucking thing. And that movie never got made.
00:59:54
Speaker
And then, you know, Supergirl would ought to be considered one of the worst films ever made. Yeah. But they're here together in this state. This movie made like every other iteration of DC comic films canon, like in the multiverse, like they made it canon, which was awesome. Like you even have the Golden Age Flash.
01:00:19
Speaker
in that like black and white footage showing him with that like metal helmet and you know, the bolt wings on it. That was super cool. Yeah, exactly. Man, the cameos at the end are awesome. Definitely worth like seeing the movie just for that. They're not they're not these cheap Easter eggs like what we talked about originally. So a lot of these Easter eggs that you see now. They're just
01:00:49
Speaker
There are less Easter eggs that, and maybe Easter eggs used to be like this, but these are less Easter eggs like you've seen recently, especially with the Star Wars, where they're more making like an overt reference to a major character that everyone knows and they're trying to make everyone feel included like they are in on the joke. You actually have to be someone that like deep dives into pop culture to get some of these references. But if you don't, you have to do some research.
01:01:18
Speaker
Yeah, but I would say if you do the research and you do dive in, they're very rich and reward. Yes, they're not like they're not cheap at all. It's like, it is an evolutionary strikes. And the best for last we have saved the movie ends. So Barry comes back.
01:01:38
Speaker
On his way back to the current timeline, he is able to help his father basically get off. And he's innocent. He's proven innocent. Because there's this camera footage that, in the beginning of the film, is choppy. And Batman gives him this AI-edited
01:02:07
Speaker
of the video and you see that Barry's father never looked up at the camera. So even though he had an alibi, you can't tell it's him. You can't prove that he was actually at the store while the mother's murder was going on. And the only witness was a 10-year-old Barry who said he saw his father pulling up into the driveway when his mother was already stabbed.
01:02:29
Speaker
Barry goes through this entire timeline. He's able to reset everything and he makes one little change because it's in the future that he hasn't seen yet. It allows it so that basically his father has evidence to get off of the trial that hasn't come up yet, an appeal that hasn't come up yet.
01:02:51
Speaker
Yeah, he saves his father, right? So he comes back, his father, you know, is innocent. Everything seems to be exactly back to the way it should be, the timeline. And Bruce Wayne calls him and he says, hey, you know, I'm pulling up. I'm happy that the trial worked out. You know, congrats.
01:03:11
Speaker
And you were like, OK, cool. You know, Ben Affleck, Batman, about to pop out. And it shows him drive up and who steps out of the car, Andrew. George fucking Clooney. George fucking Clooney is Batman. Bat nipples. Yeah, bat nipples and all. So he's Ben Affleck is out. George Clooney is in, baby. Exactly. He's in. George Clooney is in. I know.
01:03:43
Speaker
I hope James Gunn has the fucking balls to use this as a reset point and have old man Batman be played by fucking George Clooney. That would be so badass. That is such a great opportunity.
01:03:58
Speaker
This is a way to fucking turn a failure into a win in my book. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously George Clooney's, um, bat, was it Batman return or no Batman and Robin? Batman and Robin is considered the worst. Yeah. The worst Batman, but I wouldn't, it was George Clooney and it showed him. I was like, hell yeah. I, you know, I love that movie as a kid.
01:04:22
Speaker
My sister got that movie for me. You got Mr. Freeze in there. Yeah, always. Dude, Batman and Robin was like my favorite movie. I got a Batman, like a rubber, like a really nice rubber Batman mask when I was like seven years old. I was fucking Batman for a year. No joke. Well, props, respect. But George Clooney, man, I did not expect that at all. So you had Michael Keaton in there. You had
01:04:47
Speaker
Affleck, you had George Clooney, you had Adam West, you had Christopher Reeve as Superman. I think I saw, what's the name from the singer adaptation, Brandon Ruth. I think he was up there for a second. Was he? I didn't recognize him. He looked so much like Christopher Reeve, I could have been mistaken.
01:05:16
Speaker
Yeah, George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, Nick Cage. It was awesome. The Nicholas Cage was the best one. The best. Easier than this. That's one where.
01:05:28
Speaker
There's this YouTube video where Kevin Smith is just giving the story about how he's being paid to rewrite the Spider, the Superman script for the Superman Tim Burton movie he's never made. If you don't watch this YouTube video, you don't know about the story. And they spent so much money. Yeah, dude. There was a full blown CGI like sequence of him fighting the spider and like,
01:05:52
Speaker
pretty good. I mean, you could tell it was CGI, but like, pretty good. It's a scene of Nick Cage as Superman. And it's at the emotional crux of the film that the climax. Like, they're like, we're throwing No, it's all serious. Like, all this shit you're saying at this point in the film is 100%
01:06:15
Speaker
Serious, it's dramatic. It is not like, oh, Nick Cage, what? It's, oh, shit, that's Nick Cage, man. He's beating the shit out of this spider, you know, like... You know, the CGI was bad, but oddly enough, he looked just as good as like the CGI de-aging of like Carrie Fisher in Star Wars. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
01:06:40
Speaker
Go see it, people. I think that ends the spoiler review of the film, right? That's the end, pretty much. I think this is the end. I think we cut it off here. Yeah, you got you. Go see it, people. You'll enjoy it. You don't like this movie. Don't look at the critic reviews. I don't know what the fuck they're on. Well, I mean, 67% is not bad, Andrew. That's that's fresh. It is fresh. But like,
01:07:06
Speaker
But who cares about Rod and when you got three puffs of smoke from me and four from you, right? That's true. I just question who saw this movie and didn't enjoy it. And most importantly, who thought their readership would enjoy it? You know, there's like the pretentious part of you that thinks a movie is good and what you hold good to yourself. But your critic, your job as a critic,
01:07:33
Speaker
is to look at your audience and say, will you be happy that you spent money on this movie? And I don't know anyone that's gonna be like, dude, fuck that movie. Yeah, you will not want to refund. It's a good use of a couple hours of your day.
01:07:49
Speaker
For sure. Go check it out. Go check it out. It's the strongest entry in DC in a while. Exactly. I'm not even looking forward to Aquaman 2. I'm just going to pretend that movie doesn't exist. We'll have to see it because we'll preview it. Of course. And then I'm sure I'll like it because I'm actually, you know, I talk about being fatigued for Colorado movies.
01:08:12
Speaker
And then I go see them. Are we going to see Blue Beetle too? Of course. I just love movies, man. Even the shitty ones. I do too. Guess with that being said. Yeah. Do you have any parting remarks before we close this one out? I want to say thank you to Nicolas Cage because I'm sure you had to grant her like this for that. That's the fucking best cameo ever. It was. It was great.
01:08:40
Speaker
Yeah, I really I need to go find like interviews now or like yeah articles with him commenting on that part like Usually like movies kind of get spoiler like spoiled for me. Yeah, that was I had no idea that was coming. That was so well-hidden Yeah, that was awesome. I had no idea are you I you know, I think it was I think that I
01:09:04
Speaker
Because if you didn't see that YouTube video, that one fucking comic con panel, whatever it was of Kevin Smith talking about one story, because he has a lot of stories on YouTube. Yeah, he does. I think that a lot of people just don't know about that story. I mean, that's going to change. In two weeks, everyone's going to know about that story. They're going to tell you that they knew about it the whole time, but no one was laughing at the theater.
01:09:30
Speaker
No, no one was laughing. I was like, hell yeah. When I was laughing, I looked at her, I was like, oh, shit, I'm the only person. Hashtag my Superman. I mean, bring that bastard onto us. Maybe that should maybe James Gunn is going to freak me out as his new Superman. If he went the route of like Nick Cage, his old man, Superman, and brought back George Clooney, he's like, you know, I'm doing the worst versions of these, so I'm going to make them good.
01:09:57
Speaker
I would give him, he would be the greatest. I would, I, so for those of you who don't know, I talk shit about James Gunn all the time. This would, if he had the balls to do that, make Nick Cage, Superman and George Clooney Batman for a couple of flicks or like even a flick primarily, that would be, and he did it well, which I think he could for sure. I would.
01:10:25
Speaker
Yeah. Cause I kissed his feet. I'd be like, all right, respect. You do. You talk shit about James Scott, but I've never heard you say he's a bad filmmaker. No, he's not. He's not. And you know, there's a conspiracy theory that he said that to me, I love it. It's great. We should cover that on him. Yeah. Let's, uh, let's save that for the next one. So I feel like that, that needs a full deep dive. It was a really good one. Yeah, that's good. There's a whole conspiracy theory around.
01:10:54
Speaker
James Gunn and Guardians 3. Yeah, how he handled his exit from Marvel. And what he made Guardians 3 about. Yeah, a little bit of a secret fuck you that they couldn't get out of. We'll cover that, though. Yeah, we'll cover it. That's filled anticipation. All right, Andrew. For next time. That's the full smoke on the Flash. Yes, I love it. 3 and 1 half puffs out of 5, because I gave it a 3, you gave it a 4, average it out. Yeah, we're harsh creators, too.
01:11:24
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So that's good. I think so. Yeah, three means it's good. Four means it's great. I saw so much ambition in this movie and I saw so much studio meddling that I'm very impressed with how it turned out. It's way better than it should have been. I'm giving it a four. I'm not going to give a lot of films four. Just a heads up. Go see it. Go see it. Go see you. Till next time.