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EP04 Matt Sorensen - True Woo
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Matt Sorensen is a CHEK faculty member, medical massage therapist, behavioral therapist, a personal trainer & strength coach.
Matt and I discuss what got him motivated to begin investigating holistic health, the various methods he uses with his clients and patients, and he answers some burning questions I've had for a long time.
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Transcript
Introduction of Matt Sorensen
00:00:00
Speaker
All right. Welcome back to, or welcome to episode four. Uh, if this is your first time joining us, my name's Nick Tasky and today I'm joined by Matt Sorensen, who is, uh, he's a, he's a check instructor for, for one, um, lives in Sydney. I'll, I'll pass over to Matt to let him introduce yourself.
Journey into Holistic Health
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Speaker
I'm sure, or himself, I'm sure there's a little bit more to him than, than just being a check instructor, but, um, that's sort of what, what, uh, sparked my interest initially.
00:00:30
Speaker
Yeah, cool. My name is Matt, I'm a Czech instructor. I've been on the faculty for, I wanna say 2017, I think. I could be lying, but let's go with that for now. I've been studying Paul's work.
00:00:54
Speaker
I think since about 2009-ish and was just hungry to get through the material, to learn it, to master it. Especially when my dad got sick in 2010-11 thereabouts and he got diagnosed with prostate cancer, he's fine now. But just that whole, the whole experience was
00:01:20
Speaker
just genuinely appalled at how he was treated by the system. And that really sparked a journey for me to just study as much as I could. When I say sparked a journey, I mean, I was possessed as a student and I had to know
00:01:38
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anything and everything regarding holistic health, working, studying 12, 16 hours a day, sacrificed relationships and just I was, yeah, I was on that path. And it wasn't really until probably COVID started that all put a handbrake on things.
Discovery of Visceral Manipulation
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But during that time, yeah, studied all the Czech material, worked with Paul himself,
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Speaker
one of his faculty now, been meaning to go to San Diego for the last, what, two, three years for a meeting, but I'm on the naughty list to fly, so yeah, maybe this year we'll get there. But yeah, making my way through, I was first introduced to the totem pole, obviously, back in early days, and I wanted to be able to work with people at each,
00:02:37
Speaker
level. And so I studied with dentists, with the jaw, studied with chiropractors, with the neck, eye specialists, inner rib, it's called vestibular people, all these kinds of things, but no one really knew how to work with the organs apart from say from a traditional
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Speaker
point of view. And then I heard of this concept called visceral manipulation. I think it was 2013. I just finished my remedial massage diploma and kind of got sick of working on the muscles pretty quick. It's a hard job. So I respect anyone who does that for a living. And I found this technique that this guy called Barao
00:03:27
Speaker
worked on and he didn't actually invent it but he you could say probably modernized it and honed in and made it a thing to what we know of today and it was just a way with physically manually working with the organs
00:03:45
Speaker
and mobilizing, correcting the soft tissues surrounding the organ. So it's very, very light, very, very precise, a lot of anatomy involved. And with the organ stuff comes the nerves, it also comes the blood vessels in and around those structures.
Career Transition to Personal Training
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So you kind of have to study all that as well. So been doing that primarily as manual therapy since about 2013.
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as well as all the corrective exercise stuff and also did a diploma in behavioral therapy. Oh yeah. As well after studying, um, what sparked that. I think it was four quadrant check for quadrant that got me into the psyche of it. That like the PPS success.
00:04:37
Speaker
kind of. Yeah. Yeah. It's a cousin. Yep. Okay. And studied Carolyn. This is work through medical intuition, did medical massage with her all kinds of non-conventional kind of courses that weren't really university based or based here, based there. Um,
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very kind of around the loop instead of what a psychologist would learn. I learned all the, well, what drives the stuff that they're working on type things. So a lot of study, a lot of late nights, a lot of swearing at times. So yeah, that kind of led me into producing kind of what I do today, really.
00:05:30
Speaker
Mm. What, what? So how did you initially start on? I know you said you started studying the Czech stuff in 2009, but were you like a regular PT or something like that prior to that?
Impact of Paul Chek's Teachings
00:05:44
Speaker
Yes, before that, I was actually a greenkeeper. I'm a greenkeeper by trade and I did that for close to 10 years. So I got sick of the early mornings and the weekend work and the golf balls being hit at you and
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all that kind of stuff. So I got into PT. My mentor at the time was an exercise physiologist and he, we had three weekly meetings and he saw me training someone and he, one of our meetings, he said, I can see you trying to figure things out. I think you'd get a lot out of this guy.
00:06:23
Speaker
And prior to this point, I'd watched that many videos, that many articles on abdominal wall function, sacroiliac this, balance that, all the kind of stuff. And it was Paul's scientific core conditioning.
00:06:39
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So I remember one rainy weekend in Sydney, it was pissing down with rain. So I watched this DVD and I was just blown away with not only just the material itself, but the intimacy in which Paul knew it. And I thought, God, this guy must have seven master's degrees or something.
00:07:02
Speaker
and later found out that it's all self-taught. So I was, respect. So watch that. I applied the principles of that to myself and it worked. And I started doing that with my clients in the gym. I was working in the fitness first at the time.
00:07:20
Speaker
worked and I saw other trainers sort of looking at me like, what are you doing a crunch over a ball for? Things like that. So I channeled my inner pole check and gave them the explanation and, oh yeah, that makes sense. So they started to hire me to help consult with their clients. And that was when, oh, there's something in this. And so I did all the prereqs, did what was exercise coach back then. And that week nearly killed me. It was, um,
00:07:49
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I was living in Carringbar at the time, which is close next to Cronulla, and driving two hours to the very north of Sydney every single day, getting your head just pumped full of information, driving two, three hours home in peak hour traffic, and State of Origin was on on a Wednesday, so it took me about three and a half hours to get home through the city.
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And then you've got homework to do on top of that. So I wasn't getting to bed till one, two a.m. Up at six to get there before the traffic starts. And that week just nearly killed me. And the stuff I learned that week was actually how much I didn't know. I thought, you know, working as a PT, I think for two years at this point, I mean, kind of
00:08:45
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from a mentoring apprentice point of view, sponging off an exercise physiologist for this whole time, thought I knew stuff, and then within about 10 minutes, like, shit, I don't know anything. So it was quite humbling, but it was just like my soul drove me through it. The more I got through the levels, just the hungrier I got. And then that's all the physical stuff, of course, but then you've got to realize you've got to back that up with the nutrition lifestyle stuff as well.
00:09:12
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And then what drives all that is the psyche. So, you know, on paper I'm a, you know, any Czech professional could be a PT, but you do a lot more than you know.
Becoming a Chek Instructor
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Speaker
That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I remember when I took exercise coach back in 2017 and I probably knew less than what you, what you knew when, when you got into it. Um, and you know, I'm doing the homework, you know, same thing, got back home and it was like,
00:09:42
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Donald Carr was the instructor at the time and it was like this homework. And I was like, where do I start? I didn't know you're working. I think exercise coach is kind of focused around more so the hip. And I might be incorrect about that, but I didn't know that the hamstrings, what the function of the hamstrings was or what the quads did. I think the first day I handed in homework, he probably looked at that and was like, what?
00:10:11
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you know, there was just like no, no knowledge whatsoever there. And so, yeah, it was, I was blown away by, by the material when I saw it. And, you know, at the time, I think there was some guys there who'd studied exercise physiology or exercise science or something like that. And, you know, after that week, they were like, I just learned more in these last five days than I learned in my entire degree.
00:10:37
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which was, you know, probably just as mind blowing for them, but maybe, uh, maybe a little bit, uh, deflating at the same time. It is as well. Um, you know, it's, it's kind of weird being the instructor of what's called IMS now instead of exercise coach. But I remember.
00:10:59
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Driving away from that course feeling really guilty because I'd been charging people for programs I've written and that was shit. Like looking back at it now, I was probably making half of the stuff up. So I kind of felt a bit bad with what I'd been doing. So I said to all my clients moving forward from that point, if this doesn't get resolved in a certain amount of time, I'll give you your money back.
00:11:29
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And I mean, there's a few people that play mind games with that. But yeah, when we have the courses now, there's inevitably one Cairo physio, EP, someone like that in the class. And you don't expect them to know answers, but you have to wonder what they do learn in that degree.
00:11:56
Speaker
There was an osteo in, I think, the last class I taught. And I can't remember what muscle it was, but she said, how do you know all that? How don't you know that? You've got a degree in anatomy. But it's just the depth in which it goes. And it's really fun instructing, because there's different learning styles for different
00:12:24
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kind of people, so you have to explain the same thing about 18 different ways sometimes, but that's kind of, that's all part and parcel of it. And, um, I think for me, IMS one is a, it should be mandatory for every personal trainer or physio to attend that week for sure. It's kind of interesting that you talk about like learning styles as well, because I remember, um,
00:12:51
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maybe being a little bit blown away by how Paul had investigated learning styles at the same time. And so he was, you know, he was trying to accommodate for people of different learning styles in the way he taught. And so he was like, you know, the way people are educated in school is, is it's all, uh, I don't remember exactly which style it is. You know, you sit down in front of a white board and the teacher tells you, you know, the teacher writes on the board and speaks to you and there's no, uh,
00:13:19
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you know, there's not much beyond that, you know, no one's guiding you and showing you perhaps how to perform a movement or, you know, there's a visual learning style and then there's audio or audible learning styles and then there's kinesthetic where you have to be literally shown how to do it and, you know, he kind of incorporated these different methods into the way he teaches and I found that, you know,
00:13:47
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I don't know exactly which category I fit into, but it was, yeah, his stuff goes far beyond just telling you how things work. Yeah, I mean, growing up at school, I remember feeling really stupid because I couldn't get my head around maths.
00:14:10
Speaker
And my dad's an accountant. So I came home with a failed maths test to an accountant. I did not inherit that gene at all. And he's sort of taking me through things and saying, well, how don't you get this? I remember saying, I think we're talking about algebra or something. And I said, dad, maths is hard enough with the
Chek System's Holistic Approach
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numbers. Now they've added letters to it. What am I supposed to make of that?
00:14:40
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And then we spent an hour or three on long division, which I still haven't used today, weird. And that just wasn't my, in hindsight, I can see it clear, but at the time, that just wasn't my learning style. I was very much visual audio.
00:14:57
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And if I'd had an anesthetic element to that, then it was locked in, for sure, forever. So what Paul's done, and Paul's quite similar to me in that way, where he didn't really start reading, writing in the educational capacity till he was sort of mid 20s. And I hit that kind of late 20s for me. It's only kind of, in the last probably 10 years, I've become a real nerd with that kind of stuff.
00:15:24
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up till that it was for me it was all visual and it was all maybe auditory and I just had to do it to learn it and what today's schools don't really do is that element and whether they can or not could be a different discussion altogether because some like my my sister's a teacher and she has 30 kids in her class so
00:15:48
Speaker
how to accommodate all that. But if you ever had the experience of being taught by Paul, I did HLC two and three with Paul himself. And he didn't look at the manual once. It was just all in story form. And it was just an incredible kind of experience. And I think halfway through day five, he was just, oh yeah, we should look at the manual. And, um,
00:16:17
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That, for me, was pretty inspiring, just that he knew it. I mean, he wrote it, so he shouldn't come out. The tricky thing with that is spotting what student needs what, and it becomes pretty evident if you know what you're looking for.
00:16:36
Speaker
So yeah, we try and accommodate everyone and everything with that. I think one of the things, and this might just be the circle that I'm in or my perception of it, but I think one of the things that a lot of people struggle with is that they still don't really understand what check actually is about. And maybe I don't understand it to the fullest extent, even though I think I do, but the exercise start of things really starts with
00:17:05
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you know, posture and that's the foundational level, right? Like you can look in a physiotherapy textbook and you'll have the range of motion for, you know, whatever muscle you can think of in the entire body or a specific joint, you know, how far the knee should move and how far the hip should flex and extend. And
00:17:33
Speaker
I guess my understanding of, of what Paul has done is he said, well, what, what's at the level of at least exercise coaches or IMS one is, uh, let's, let's bring the body into, uh, anatomical neutral. Um, and, and that will be our starting point. You know, um, is that, is that kind of a basic, a very basic understanding of the way, the way it works?
00:17:59
Speaker
Yeah, so he goes off. What's his name? Yonda Vladimir Yonda. No, the talk the RC factor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dejan it. Yeah. It's really about to have joint stability, you need equal and opposite can equal an opposite contraction either side of the joint. So
00:18:24
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From a biomechanical point of view, that's where the postural stuff comes in. You can look at Punjabi's model, which Matt Walden really likes, which is the triad of joint stability. You can look at Vladimir Yonda's work. You can even look at Voita's work, which goes back into infant development stuff, which is more IMS2 now.
00:18:51
Speaker
It's posture itself can be such a complicated subject because so many different aspects that can influence posture. Um, but what we teach in IMS one is really just to identify with the quads are tight and they're pulling this way and they're overpowering the hamstrings and glutes. What's that going to do to the pelvis? And if that's going to take someone out of neutral now,
00:19:21
Speaker
For someone, that can be complicated enough. It took me a while. I had to turn the muscles into a pulley system, just so my mind could grasp that concept. And then from there, you can add another complication to it while I lay in pain. So you might need to train them, stretch them, get them out of neutral.
00:19:45
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and then slowly back into what we call neutral. And there's been a lot of debate over the recent years what neutral actually is. And I mean, we have clinical norms for what neutral is. So for example, for a male pelvis, four to seven degrees of anterior tilt is considered neutral for a female at seven to 10.
00:20:13
Speaker
You can throw lots and lots of spanners in the works for that with a pain, with a leg length discrepancy, with all kinds of different things. But what the check system is really good for is giving you all of that information. And we're all going to synthesize that differently. So that's just where the anatomy, the movements kind of
00:20:38
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are taught in that way. So you know, well, that person's got excessive anterior tilt or hypo lordosis. So we need to strengthen these muscles. What exercises do that? And that's how you can bring them back into a structural balance kind of thing. Um, I, when I teach, I, I touch on the psychological aspect of that because it's our
00:21:07
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It's really our soft tissues that reflect our emotional anatomy and it's our skeleton that portrays our underlying psychological state at the time. So it's more of a be aware of that as well, especially if what you're doing isn't quite working, then there is something else to potentially look at or refer to or
00:21:32
Speaker
You know, if it's a psychological issue, take them to a psychologist or a high level check professional. So it's giving them the power as well to be able to spot that. If they don't know how to deal with it, that's fine. At least they know who to refer to. And then the client gets the result. Everyone's happy. Yeah. And so I guess what you're really saying there is.
00:21:55
Speaker
There's different methods or different ways of resolving problems for different people. And so if someone, for example, comes and they've got the typical anterior pelvic tilt and stretching the quads and strengthening the hamstrings isn't working, then what you're saying is let's go a level deeper than that. And that's what the check system really teaches you to do is find what the cause of the problem is. Yeah, and I suppose you go deeper and deeper.
00:22:24
Speaker
as you progress through the levels? Well, you do because you go, let's say level one is quads, adductors, et cetera, insert here, originate here, hamstrings the same. So when you strengthen a muscle, you bring origin insertion closer together. When you stretch, you separate origin insertion.
00:22:48
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that confuses a lot of people, but then you show them and that kind of makes some sort of sense.
Interconnected Body Systems
00:22:54
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Now with anatomy, there's a couple of ways you can look at, look at it. And that is, if you ask any, let's say PT or physio, how many muscles there are in the human body, they'll say, well, depending on what book you read, there can be 360 to 400 muscles. Now that's what an anatomy book will show you because it's all very neat, all very,
00:23:19
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carved out very nicely painted or drawn or whatever but in reality there aren't 400 muscles in the body there's one muscle hanging out in 400 different places and everyone's anatomy is different so an ectomorph will probably have less muscle than an endomorph because where the endomorph will have a muscle the ectomorph might have a ligament so it's always different and what can that muscle do without the other
00:23:50
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300 muscles doing their job as well. So it can get really complicated, but it's not as clear cut as if you got this, do that. So that's what the check system is really good. Just be aware of there's other stuff potentially going on. And by the time you get to level kind of four and five, you're talking about the
00:24:17
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the one muscle in the 400 different places and how it all ricochets throughout. And the whole body is, we're not just muscles, we're not just bones, we're not just joints, we're an endocrine system, we're a neurological circuitry, we're an arterial vascular tree, we've got
00:24:38
Speaker
systems upon systems upon systems wired hard to keep you alive and any kind of threat to that, which could be a pain point, is a survival threat to the organism. So that's when they start compensating and that's when pain starts to happen. So our job is to find, well, why
00:25:00
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First of all, why aren't they self-healing? What's the compensatory mechanism and what's creating that? And then by the time you get to that level, the exercise is kind of... It helps, but there's other stuff we need to...
00:25:13
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went into work on as well. Yeah. And so that's where if you take the lifestyle coaching side of things hand in hand with the exercise or the physical side of things like the practitioner side of things, you start to see things interconnect, right? And so you're layering and you're collecting more and more information. And so like what Paul talks about it, and I'm sure you're intimately aware or you probably practice this every day in your visceral manipulation, but
00:25:42
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you start to see that organs and muscles hold hands and the fascia around the liver is, well, it's all interconnected. And what you start to see when you take someone's
00:26:00
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you know, HAQ from, from holistic lifestyle coaching level two, the, the symptoms that you see, you know, in their liver relate to, to something happening in the right shoulder because, you know, it's, you know, Paul often talks about the liver is related to the right shoulder. And so you start to see that the problem in the right shoulder isn't actually
00:26:21
Speaker
beginning in the shoulder, it's got to do with the liver. And you could probably take it beyond that to the psychological level and in that, you know, I think there's certain parts of medicine that say the liver stores anger and so you could take it even further than that. But it gets, you start to see how the body works as a web, right? Well, it's not only a web, it's just a,
00:26:51
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without getting, depends how deep you want me to go, but I want you to go deep. We're mind, body, spirit complex. So we're mind, body, spirit complex. It's the unseen factors that really drive the scene. It's the intangible that drive the tangible. And if we're using the liver as an example, the muscles and the, and the organs don't necessarily hold hands. The, the, um,
00:27:19
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The organ, if they do hold hands, the organ is the much older, wiser brother that tells the little brother what to do and how to act. So example of a liver, the liver communicates to the right shoulder, capsule in particular via the phrenic nerve. So anytime the liver's under tension, under stress, the phrenic nerve picks up that tension, communicates that to the right shoulder. So your body's way of saying,
00:27:49
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stop doing what you're doing because you're hurting one of your kind of prime organs here is your right shoulder will start to ache. Now the liver itself has got eight different parts to it and every organ has a physical mechanical function
00:28:07
Speaker
It's also got a metabolic function or a metabolic function. It's got an emotional function as well or a psychological function and an immune function or a circulatory kind of function. So depending where the stress is, let's say the emotional thing, the mental emotional thing, how that really works is each organism is an organ of reception. So just the same way as let's say,
00:28:37
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TV attracts TV waves. The radio attracts radio waves. Your phone attracts microwaves. Your liver will attract liver waves. Your stomach will attract stomach waves. Now instead of the word waves, turn that into consciousness.
Emotions and Physical Health
00:28:54
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So if your liver's attracting consciousness on the level of anger, fear, or frustrations, more gallbladder, but they hold hands. Being a prisoner of your own routine,
00:29:08
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issues about what you call God, deep self-esteem, pessimism, joy as well. It's not just all the bad stuff, but each organ has its own receptivity to certain emotions, certain psychological themes that have an emotional correlation. And the combination of all the organs is what allows us to have human consciousness.
00:29:36
Speaker
just like cows have organs as well, obviously, but their organs have a slightly different function metabolically, obviously, but also they attract cow consciousness. So a cow and a human see a cow, we have a very different experience. So all of that gets recorded by the body and
00:30:01
Speaker
To the degree you're healthy within your organ system, you'll be able to have a clear perception because, for example, a lot of people think thoughts come from the brain. Zero evidence in any literature suggesting thoughts come from the brain.
00:30:18
Speaker
The brain itself is more of a satellite dish. It just picks up information. The ego filters that down. The ego part of the brain is a default mode network. That filters it down through the nervous system, which is a vehicle for the mind. The organs then decode those messages, translates those into the angers, the fears, the joy, the happiness, all that kind of stuff. Translates those for us to have the experience of that.
00:30:47
Speaker
Now, whether that's a good experience, that's entirely up to you based on your own values, biases, blah, blah, blah. But when we are clogged up in our visceral system, those perceptions that we perceive clogged up to the degree we are. So you and I could be having a conversation and I could tell you something and you could take offense to it as an example. That means you have a blockage.
00:31:18
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somewhere. You're not feeling my truth in an attempt to connect to you in this situation. So therefore, you're going to go back into your kind of default psychological setting for I could have triggered something for when you were eight years old, let's say.
00:31:40
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you're going to perceive and project from the level of an eight year old. And that could be throwing a tantrum or telling me off or whatever that looks like. And that's how a lot of people live their lives. But when you can clean yourself up, when you can sort of, when I say research, I mean re-search yourself.
00:32:10
Speaker
because everything in life you are the point of attraction too. So therefore anything that you perceive is a reflection of you and you're just experiencing a different aspect of yourself that you perceive that's outside yourself but ultimately you're the one perceiving it and it takes a healthy visceral system, a healthy vascular system, healthy muscle system, healthy
00:32:35
Speaker
system in general to have that clean experience so you can experience what is real and what is true for you as an individual. It's when you don't move right, when you eat crap food, drink, all kinds of stuff. That's when the satellite dish can get a bit fuzzy.
00:33:00
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when we're talking about posture, why posture is such important from a psychological and emotional viewpoint, is the spine itself is an antenna. Now, you can bring the chakra systems into this.
Posture and Perception
00:33:15
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Each part of the spine has a certain psychological theme that it resonates to, that it vibrates to.
00:33:23
Speaker
Now, if the antenna's bent, you don't get a very clear signal. I'm sure we've all had the experience at Sump, or probably not the new generations, but been up on the roof trying to move the antenna to get clear signal to watch the footy, although when it was raining, no TV that night, back in the good old days. And it's the same with posture. If the antenna's straight and your posture's in,
00:33:54
Speaker
in good alignment, you'll get a clear signal. If your body's clean, you'll get a clean, honest projection of the truth. So it's all that, it's just one example of how it's all interconnected. And so I guess to distill that a little bit for people, what you're talking about is the body as a vehicle of perception. And so, you know,
00:34:17
Speaker
You can imagine what a kyphotic posture, what the emotional and mental state of a person with rounded shoulders and a drop forward head is feeling like in comparison to someone who's more open or more neutral.
00:34:34
Speaker
I guess, I guess there's, there's, you know, everyone wants to say, well, there's evidence to back this up. And I might be that person, but you know, you can, you can, you can literally find research on that, that say, or that the backs of men with, with, uh, kyphotic posture have a lower level of testosterone than men who, who stand with an open chest. Um, and, and so you're on that level of the spine, I guess what you're talking about is,
00:35:02
Speaker
you know, the rounded forward shoulders and the dropped forward head and the collapsed chest is signaling to the rest of the body that maybe you're, you know, in a fear state, or, you know, maybe there's a reason to have low self esteem, you know, that posture is signaling low self esteem. And so, you know, the unconscious part of the body interprets that as, hey, let's produce less testosterone.
00:35:38
Speaker
Have I still got you? Yeah. So that'd be more the subconscious mind. Yeah, it keeps dropping in and out. Half the question in slow-mo than the other half in about two seconds. So that's all right. We can work with that. We can work with that. I might turn my camera off for a minute.
00:36:03
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all that kind of stuff. So the body works on the premise of it hugs tension. And the body hugs tension in an attempt to protect the organism. So someone who's quite cathartic, you can see what you're hugging. You're hugging your heart center. So you're shutting off your heart because likely you've been hurt. So it's a protective kind of thing. Someone who's been metaphorically kicked in the guts.
00:36:32
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obviously going to help will not help their self-esteem so they're going to hug that tension and because we have to maintain binocular vision on the horizon our heads always going to stay in a certain position but the rest of our body has to
00:36:48
Speaker
compensate that and someone with a closed heart low self-esteem will often present as someone with say depression or anxiety because they don't get the flow they don't get the movement through those centers that perceive those that say themes and it's the unconscious mind which stores our memories they we get
00:37:16
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we wear our unconscious through the subconscious. So the subconscious would be a physical manifestation of our, excuse me, of our unconscious and our antenna or our posture is what we present to the world. So being a mind, body, spirit complex, the,
00:37:43
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The mind builds the reality for that person. The emotions are the inner GPS system that take you towards what you want, hopefully compared to what you don't want. But whatever you're focused on, you're going that direction. The physical vehicle is just along for the ride, really, and records the experience. But it's the spirit that animates the entire thing.
00:38:12
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So if someone's got a lot of energy and really bubbly, we call them spirited. Well, that person's in high spirit. So if you don't know how to translate it, say clinically, you can look at it symbolically because that's how the psyche speaks to us. And that's kind of what gets left out of a lot of medicine and all that kind of stuff. The closest they would have to that would be
00:38:40
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I guess Latin terminology, which this word comes from that, which means this and now we've changed it to that. So that's a complicated discussion. It's been very, very prevalent over the last three years.
00:38:52
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Mm hmm. Very cool. So that could be another another show. Yeah, it could be another one. So let's talk a little bit. And I did ask you about this before we started recording, but let's talk a little bit about how something as simple as water quality.
00:39:10
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you know, can have an effect on the tissues. And I guess I've taken a little bit of an interest more recently in, you know, I've always drunk or, you know, for, you know, probably the last 10 years I've drunk high quality water, but it's occurring to me more and more. And I guess the latest science is showing this is that
00:39:34
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you know, the the body stores memory in tissue. And so when we're talking about the, you know, posture, and when we're talking about say a cathodic posture, we're also talking about how, you know, how that posture is representative of the emotional state. And what's really at, at the core of that is the water networks or the fascial networks throughout the body. Am I am I kind of hitting hitting the nail a little bit there in my explanation of that?
Visceral Manipulation Success Stories
00:40:11
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I think so. I only think I heard half of your question, but I think I've got the nuts and bolts of it. The body does hold memory. There's multiple aspects to that. So the body holds the memory. It records the memory of that person, place, thing, situation, whatever it is.
00:40:39
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Now, depending on the psychological theme and the emotional attachment to it, you'll hold that in a certain part of the body. From a Osseous point of view, our joints, particularly the type four mechanoreceptors in the joints, have a very intimate connection with the part of the brain that responds to that psychological theme. So when we hold memory,
00:41:08
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Our body does store it, so when we're angry we'll store that in the liver but we'll also hold that in the amygdala in the brain and then depending what process is attached to that anger we'll store that in a different part of the brain. So what visceral manipulation does in this sense will dissipate the tension between that particular part of the brain and that particular part of the liver.
00:41:30
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in this situation, how it can also work is with the emotion, we literally hold emotion in the fascia surrounding the tissue. Now, I remember, oh, what's the old dull guy? Oh, boy. Boy. Thank you. Yeah. He was talking all about fascia, fascia, fascia, fascia. Everything's fascia. And a lot of therapists and
00:41:59
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trainers an hour, training the fascia, we'll stretch the fascia, it's all about the fascia, fascia, fascia, fascia. So that was the new buzzword for a long time. Is fascia important? Of course it is. With that said, I remember asking Barao, who taught Bois, he
00:42:22
Speaker
was saying something about, I think someone asked him, why doesn't he work with the fascia directly? He goes, no, no, a fascia's stupid. And then the whole class looked, oh, cool. So when he's talking about the fascia being stupid, it doesn't have, it requires that over there to be stimulated, activated. So this thing over here can move or that be transported there.
00:42:52
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The reason he took such an interest in the organs is because the organs regulate flow to the muscles and the joints, not only just physically, but there is a high mental-emotional correlation to that as well. So that's why he took a very particular interest in that, and it's really easy to get
00:43:21
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um, tension in the organs relative to the muscles. All you have to do is be anxious about something for a little bit and you'll start developing tension around the stomach. Now that can have a physical, um, that can cause a physical issue. It can cause a metabolic issue. It can create more anxiety. So it becomes a mental emotional thing as well.
00:43:51
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So there's multiple areas that that can affect. And that's why Viral always said, when you're working with someone's organs, mobilizing that tissue, you're always doing a lot more than you know. So you can go to a, a rolfer and get your connective tissue stretched out and you'll feel amazing after most likely after not during because shit, but I've heard that.
00:44:19
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that will have some kind of an effect. That's working from the outside in where the visceral is more of a systemic approach. It's from the inside out. Now I, in my book, what pain is telling you, I explained that firstly, we're wired to survive. And anytime we go into a compensatory pattern, which is usually where pain kind of, that's the start point for pain.
00:44:50
Speaker
it's trying to minimize compression of an artery, a nerve, an organ, some kind of soft structure inside. So you can cut your arm and it'll hurt and it'll bleed and you can patch it up without too much kind of too much effect going forward. If you have a tiny cut in the aorta,
00:45:16
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That can be game over. So the subconscious mind will adapt any posture it needs to to try and protect that structure so it can carry on keeping you alive. And that's where these functional conversations start to happen because if that's now compromised and this has to move there and that's got to react different and that's got to move like this now and put more weight on that and twisting this.
00:45:42
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et cetera, et cetera, that leads to structural compensations. And that's typically where pain turns from an itis into an osis or a diagnosis. So that's why I subtitled the book, your diagnosis really just a symptom. So that's why personally, I took
00:46:03
Speaker
a particular interest in the organs as well because I knew how powerful that work is. I've seen pictures that you shared on your Instagram and I might share some of these later on in clients that you've worked on where
00:46:19
Speaker
I don't know what part of their body that you've worked on, but this person will walk in looking like they have a severe scoliosis. And I don't know what organ you've worked on or where you've done your visceral manipulation work, but there's like a night and day difference between what the person looked like when they came in and what they look like when they left. And I'm sure what you're telling me is that the work you're doing is probably
00:46:44
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not as physically demanding as or as painful as people will think it is based on what the pictures look like before and after. Did I drop out there? No, but the funny thing about those pictures. Yeah, I think I've got the gist of. I'm going to turn my camera off. I don't know if that'll make a difference.
Societal Norms and Self-Awareness
00:47:14
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Do you want me to turn mine off as well? Let's see how we go. I'll give it a shot for a couple of seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. Okay. So it's funny you talk about those pictures because I think about 90% of those pictures, people don't really feel different.
00:47:41
Speaker
They feel better later that day. I remember I had one lady come in. She had a significant limp and I video taped the whole thing and I wanted to post it, but she didn't want me to. So damn it. Um, you know, when I was working on her, she came in with a huge lateral shift of the spine. She kind of looked like that. Yeah. Like she came in.
00:48:12
Speaker
came in with a limb and she came in with right shoulder pain. So I did some work on her and 90% of the session was her liver. The first thing her liver told me was that she, she had some kind of scarring on the immune part of the liver. I worked on the liver, I worked the liver, did all that kind of stuff until it finally freed up. Now,
00:48:42
Speaker
I got her to stand up and just kind of walk around the clinic, which she did for a few minutes. And the limp was still there, but it was significantly less. She did not feel any different whatsoever. Her spine was straight, straight as an arrow. And by that afternoon, I think I saw her at about 10 o'clock, I think. She sent me a video at about five o'clock that afternoon, and there was no limp.
00:49:12
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that even shocked the hell out of me. And she said, I don't still don't feel any different. My shoulder still hurts. What about the hundred other things that look and feel better? Yeah. But she didn't even recognize that her limp wasn't there. Yeah. Wow. So it's a, for some people it's a huge difference. Uh, for some people you can simply just open the valves up between organs and they can,
00:49:43
Speaker
who for the first time in six days. It can be as subtle as that. And they just feel amazing afterwards. And then other people come in all twisted and bent and whatnot. And you unwind an organ or two or three, and then they just sit up straight. Yeah. Don't really feel much different.
00:50:08
Speaker
And like you show them in the mirror, but yeah, no, it looks the same. And that's just really the disconnect between them and them. I was going to say that and I keep having this conversation with, I probably had it with the last three people I've spoken to. So you're the fourth guest and you're the first person.
00:50:26
Speaker
the fourth person I've had this conversation with, but people are so disconnected from the way they feel. And I guess it's really, you know, we're kind of almost trained to be disconnected. You know, every time you feel a feeling of pain, you're medicating it in some way, whether that's taking a Panadol or whether that's
00:50:47
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you know, eating something in that's healthy and inverted commas to try and dissipate that pain, we're always trying to avoid pain and discomfort of any kind. Yeah, there's multiple levels to that. Humble opinion. Whether, you know, we're essentially being taught to disconnect from ourselves that
00:51:18
Speaker
You know, my sister is a, is a teacher and she kind of, she gets taught what to teach or she gets told what to teach and we get taught what to think, not how to think. So if you get taught what to think, then they're not really your thoughts. So your thoughts, you can't really live your life. Therefore you can't really feel what you feel. And if you do feel what you feel, it's a foreign feeling. So you, you've got to medicate it.
00:51:47
Speaker
In the West, we have this mentality that the West of medicine is the be-all and end-all. Now, I'm going to preface this first and say I'm glad we have it. Certainly, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. But we've become so reliant on an external entity that is, let's say, big pharma.
00:52:16
Speaker
to keep us healthy. Cause we have this mindset of, well, if I'm sick, that guy can cure me. And we rely on that for our day to day kind of health needs. Now, whether big farmer wants you healthy enough to work and then just sick enough to need some kind of prescription or something, that's don't want to get you canceled early.
Critical Thinking and Psychological Development
00:52:42
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So yeah, yeah. Um,
00:52:46
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But it makes a lot of sense. It makes billions, if you know what I'm saying. I know what you're saying. I mean, if you've gone through someone's cancer journey with them and see what goes on, it's really heartbreakingly obvious what
00:53:14
Speaker
that game is all about. But we are taught in our society that we have to worship doctors, we have to worship these people of higher power. And when you go to, let's say, like a proper Eastern practitioner, whatever that looks like, they're all kind of similar, as in, no, it's not
00:53:44
Speaker
You don't have to worship me at all. I'm not healing you. Your body's doing the healing. I'm just helping you set the right conditions for that. But you have all the power then. Whereas in the West, no, I need that pill to get rid of this thing. But I mean, the allopathic approach is the...
00:54:09
Speaker
I've got an itchy butt. Here's a pill. I want to lose weight. Here's a pill. Air's falling out. Here's a pill. And there's no talk of how stressed are you? How much water are you drinking? What's the quality of food like?
00:54:25
Speaker
You know, your two or three closest relationships, how are they going? Yeah. Nothing of that. Because the average doctor visits anywhere between six to, I think, 11 minutes I read the other day. I mean, what can you what can you know in that time?
00:54:40
Speaker
I can't remember what the question was. That's the answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if I exactly remember what the question was either, but I think you gave me a good answer. And, you know, I think it also stems from, you know, this idea has grown out of that, out of the Western approach. And it's this kind of ideology or mentality that
00:55:05
Speaker
you know, the body's damaged or it's flawed from the beginning. And so, you know, I interviewed a regenerative farmer last week and we talked about how, you know, there's a pharmaceutical approach to farming and then there's the regenerative approach. And, you know, we kind of, until you start to understand the body and
00:55:28
Speaker
from a more holistic point of view, you see the body and you see everything is flawed. And so the dirt is flawed. And so it needs this pharmaceutical input. And by pharmaceutical input, I mean, we need agricultural chemicals to fix the floor. And almost no one can see that what we're talking about is we're talking about
00:55:55
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use the analogy of compost. And so we're building the compost where we're creating something totally different than this flawed thing where we're building something, where we're changing the foundations, where we're building something with the concrete foundation or with the stone foundation. Whereas what they're doing is they're starting with
00:56:16
Speaker
with a sand foundation and then they're adding inputs to it from there and inputs that don't heal the foundation. I don't know what the word is, but I guess they band-aid the foundation. Maybe you're putting a band-aid on top of the sand.
00:56:42
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In the Western, I mean, I'm being very generalistic here, not all. There's some brilliant doctors out there who are Western based. I've talked to some already, yeah. I don't blame the person. It's the... It's the myth behind it. Yeah, the story behind, and it's what they get told as well. So, I mean, we get...
00:57:12
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Kind of treat it as machines, like we're just a car, that if you've got cancer, for example, you can just cut it out and you'll be fine. So we're infinitely more complex than any machine. Now this whole AI thing,
00:57:35
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Yeah, what medicine really, I mean, I'm sure it knows whether it acknowledges it or not, because it requires a lot more open mindedness and also requires some level of personal evolution to be able to have the capacity to take that on as well, is that we are more than just a physical body. And
00:58:05
Speaker
you know, the mind creates the reality. Your reality is your perception. Your perception is your essentially belief system. And a belief is really a thought you keep thinking. So what's kind of, where are those thoughts coming from? And they're going back to the last, I think question or the one before is
00:58:29
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We perceive our thoughts consciously through the ego. The ego is mostly made up of other people's ideas of what right or wrong is. So we're not thinking about just rearranging our prejudices and projecting that onto everyone else. But if we were to take responsibility for that for ourselves, we could evolve ourselves beyond the level
00:58:53
Speaker
of a client or a patient. And that's where real results are going to come. Because if you're working with someone at that level, then you can only take someone to the level that you yourself have developed. And the doctor might know a lot about medicine, but doctors primarily study disease. Yeah. Whereas, you know, what about health? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:21
Speaker
I'm going to touch on lockdown quickly. You notice the health advice, quote unquote, given by the governments when pretty much directly against the definition of what health is. So that's just a kind of a snapshot into what that whole system is about. It's got nothing to do with health. It's more about
00:59:51
Speaker
How do I control these people? How do I get them to do what I want them to do? Because let's face it, it's got nothing to do with health. No, not from someone with our perspective or, you know. But someone who understands, I'll call it humanism, also understands what love is. They also understand what kind of spirit is, realize it's all
01:00:20
Speaker
interconnected and they don't go punishing people because they read a different book or disagree with you. I mean, we can learn a lot from each other if we just allow it. Yeah, and there's a few things I want to touch on. One of them is, I guess, that could be a point and I'll write it down is the myth because
01:00:45
Speaker
You know, Paul quotes some other philosophers and maybe they're Jungian psychologists as well, but he talks about the myth of our culture or our society today and he talks about, you know, for
01:01:03
Speaker
For a long period of time, the myth was that the world was 6,000 years old and that the priest was right about everything that the priest was right about or what the priest said was the way things were. And at some point fairly recently, the myth changed from
01:01:20
Speaker
what the priest says is right to what another person in a white robe says is right. And that person became the scientist or the doctor. And so it's, you know, these people who wear kind of significantly, they're all wearing a form of a robe or a coat. And, you know, this person in an authority figure or a place of authority,
01:01:44
Speaker
is the person who everyone gives their power away to or gives, you know, gives away their critical thinking to. And so if a scientist says that we all need to lock ourselves inside and stay out of the sun and not exercise and, you know, wash our hands with alcohol and, you know,
01:02:02
Speaker
do whatever else comes along with that, then that's what we do because that person has authority over us. And that person has, you know, whatever qualification we deem to be the best qualification. And you know, we're all we're all giving away our critical thinking ability. And I'm sure maybe I'm losing some people and I'm offending some people here. But what
01:02:26
Speaker
What science has really done more recently is say that anything deemed to be scientific or written in a textbook or in a peer-reviewed journal is the truth in inverted commas. And we give away our ability to think critically about that when, you know, once it's in the journal, you can't question it. Yeah, that's a cultural myth, isn't it? That one. And, you know, whatever's written in a
01:02:56
Speaker
double blind study is the word of God. And the reason why doctors and priests predominantly wear white is that represents back in the shamanic days when that was kind of a major religion, they represented the gods. So there is a symbolistic, don't want to say the word brainwashing, but
01:03:25
Speaker
Let's go with it. When I studied behavioral therapy, they showed us the science of brainwashing, not to brainwash people. It's more to spot if someone's under a spell. A person by themselves is very intelligent, left to their own devices. However, when you put that person in a collective or a group,
01:03:55
Speaker
they become swayed very, very easily. And it's easy to adopt sheep herd mentality. In Arthur M. Young's model of conscious evolution, that's called the binding phase, which is where you just, you know, I could have shoot a water type mentality, but it's also, you do that to keep up with your friends. You do that to keep family happy and all that kind of stuff.
01:04:24
Speaker
because going against that can be very isolating. And if you don't have the esteem to buffer that, it can be to your own perception, very devastating. That's why a lot of people take their lives in that situation. So people don't talk about that kind of stuff because as soon as you do, you get labeled crazy.
01:04:49
Speaker
And our current society is just obsessed with labels. And every label becomes a dogmatic thing to it. And as soon as we become labeled something, we attach our self-identity to it, which then drops us back into that group that you were talking about. And then the whole cycle just starts over and over again. So you become very easy to control.
01:05:18
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and not only just to control, but also to keep under a spell. And the reason that happens largely, because I think the, trying to think of the numbers, I think 12, no, 90% of adults don't graduate psychologically past who they were at the age of 12. So 90% of people that you know,
01:05:46
Speaker
are kids, psychologically, mentally, emotionally speaking. So when we're born, we're born into a theta brainwave, which is where they take you to in hypnosis. And we need to be in a theta brainwave because we need to absorb everything to learn how to survive in this world, in this world. And it's not until about ages seven to 12, you start actually forming your own opinion.
01:06:16
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on a certain subject. When you hit 12-ish, you develop, you then have the neurological capacity to take on someone else's point of view and then
01:06:31
Speaker
equally argue the other side of your own argument with as much conviction. Most people don't, they don't have that developed. So they take something, they read something, they see something on TV or paper, and then they take that as gospel without ever questioning it. So they go back into the child mentality phase and what does a child do? They do what they're told. That's why
01:07:00
Speaker
I said Fauci was Simon.
01:07:04
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. And funny and sad at the same time, I think.
Mental Health and Personal Growth
01:07:19
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You know, talking about how society likes to, or how we like to label things, we like to come up with a diagnosis, or we like to say that
01:07:31
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You know, we were talking before about how
01:07:35
Speaker
uh, about diseases and how, how we'd like to, uh, to medicate disease. Um, and so for example, I, I, I commonly use this one, but if I hurt my shoulder, then I go and get a massage on my shoulder. Uh, and we like to, you know, we, we want to take away the pain because, you know, I, I guess pain, pain is something that we don't want to experience for a long period of time. But, um, Paul, Paul did an interview with the guy, um, and I don't know if you, if you heard it, but his name's Greg Shamouse and he was a,
01:08:04
Speaker
He was a guy who had, I guess what you'd describe as like a psychotic break after he had a general anesthetic and I think he was, he had some, I don't know if it was the anesthetic itself that caused a psychotic break or whether it was another medication that he took, but I don't know whether it was, whether, you know, he became a,
01:08:27
Speaker
He suffered with either bipolar or schizophrenia or both. Um, and in this interview where Paul was talking with, with, uh, with this guy, they were talking about how they, they, they kind of rehabilitated him. Um, and what Paul, you know, he, he came out on the other side of it unmedicated. And the other side of it was that what Paul was saying was back in tribal times.
01:08:52
Speaker
the person who underwent the psychotic break actually became the healer or the shaman of the tribe. And so what they saw as the injury or as an injury back then was really, I guess I'm stealing this from someone else, but was really a womb. And it was a womb for the development of that person into the next phase of their career as the healer for the tribe.
01:09:19
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what we label now is as a psychotic disease. And I'm not saying that, that, you know, everyone with psychotic disease or with schizophrenia or with bipolar, or shouldn't be medicated or shouldn't be, you know, treated. I'm not saying that at all. But what what I am saying is that given given guidance by someone who has also suffered with that same thing, that that person has the potential to help other people.
01:09:49
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couldn't be more right. They, yeah, but the schizophrenic, the bipolar, the what we would call mental health or mental illness today, a lot of shamans saw that as an initiation. The wounded healers, the most powerful healer. So what better journey
01:10:13
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So what better person to take you through health than someone who's been there? Like you've got your own personal tour guide and who someone who understands where you're at on a very, very visceral level. So, you know, it's funny how we treat mental illness with tablets considering the mind isn't in the brain. Yeah.
01:10:42
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It's how it's perceived now. I'm trying to use words that won't get me in trouble. Look at something like depression. That can be a serotonin deficiency, but then you get a tablet for that. 80% of your serotonin is produced in the gut. Let's say anxiety disorder.
01:11:10
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anxiety is fear of tomorrow. Depressions, you're stuck in the past. Now, anxiety could be a GABA deficiency. GABA is predominantly produced in the gut and the brain. So there's an argument there. What about bipolar? What neurotransmitters does that need? That's going from manic to sad, back and forth. Not realizing that
01:11:39
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A lot of the time, the seed for bipolar was set up in childhood where, for example, you were home with mum all day. Dad was out working. You went to bed. Dad came home, but you grew up with that. You had one influence. Inevitably, you're going to have the other influence, but you get that influence at a time where you needed the marriage of the masculine and feminine, but you only had one of them.
01:12:10
Speaker
So when you experience your own life and go through what you're going to go through and you may have had your entire childhood living that way, not saying it's a necessarily good or bad thing, but this is often how it happens. Then you go through a breakup in high school. There's the catalyst. You don't have the
01:12:36
Speaker
the bumper bowling rail up to buffer that, so you go from one to the other. Now, schizophrenia from a symbolic point of view is really just letting too much information in. It's allowing too much reality. It's similar to taking too much mushrooms or ayahuasca or something like that, where the egoic filter is down or it's more permeable.
01:13:06
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So you're allowing more reality in. The reality you typically let in is information, where it's in formation. But if there's too much information coming, it becomes chaotic. So you can't compute what's real, what's not, because there's too much of it coming in. Now, if you're a native tribe, wouldn't you want someone like that to guide you through your shit?
01:13:33
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Um, and, uh, and ultimately what, what I think one of the messages that I took out of that podcast that Paul did was he's, what he really said was what is this psychosis or all this, uh, what's this disease ultimately here to teach you? Like what's, what is it showing you? What, what's the schizophrenia showing you? Like instead of, instead of panicking and saying, uh, you know,
01:14:02
Speaker
My life is over. My life is destroyed. Now I need to take medication and I'll need to go and live in an institution for the rest of my life because I'm hearing these voices. Instead, maybe create a space between that and say, well, what's this teaching me about myself?
Cultural Beliefs and Holistic Healing
01:14:20
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And by no means am I an expert in this, so take what I'm saying with the grain of salt. You're far more of an expert than me, but I think that's a far more, a far better place to start, a far more probably self compassionate and
01:14:38
Speaker
You know, it's a, it's a much, uh, I can't think of it like a much more soothing place to start. Like instead of saying, you know, like I said, my life's over. I'm schizophrenic now. Um, or I'm bipolar now. What's this ultimately here to teach me? And it, and it, and it spreads the depression, I suppose, like something that maybe far more people deal with. Like, what's this depression here to teach me? What's it showing me about myself?
01:15:04
Speaker
Yeah. So that's where the diagnosis can be a real double-edged sword. Some people like it because it gives them, they like that label. Oh, there is something wrong with me. Cool. So I've got something tangible to work with. Whereas the other side, the label and the dogma comes with it. It's about having a relationship with it. Now, whether you like it or not consciously, it's,
01:15:34
Speaker
You've gone through the catalysts to activate that. Now we all have a little bit of depression, a bit of anxiety, a bit of bipolar, whatever. We all have that to a degree, but because we would, in a psychological profile, we wouldn't fit inside this little narrow corridor. If we fall outside of that, then we're on the spectrum of depression, anxiety, et cetera, et cetera. Now.
01:16:04
Speaker
How many people are born with mental illness? Do you know? Oh, it'd be a lot. Zero. Well, yeah, that's, yeah, I, I, I can see where you're coming from. Essentially alert behavior. Now, I'm not saying, you know, we all have a genetic predisposition to something. So,
01:16:33
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our, what we learn in childhood, remember we're technically under hypnosis, our entire childhood. So we're watching, we're watching behaviors, we're learning how to survive in this world. Yeah. And we need to be. Now, if your parents aren't healthy or your primary caregivers aren't healthy, you have real no option but to be unhealthy.
01:17:00
Speaker
Now what's health? Health's typically defined as the balance of physical, mental, emotional, spiritual wellbeing. Now recently they've added, um, I think social to it, but you can add social, that's fine. But then if your own personal, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual self isn't balanced,
01:17:28
Speaker
How's that going to go socially? So I can be sick physically, sick mentally, but fine socially. Is that what the definition is trying to kind of tell us? It all, it all starts with you from a, you're a point of attraction. You're the, you are your point of attraction. You are your experience type thing. Now we all come into this world
01:17:58
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with a specific lesson, a specific task, let's say. And it can be as minor or as major as it needs to be. That's up to the person. But let's say you came into this world to learn how to forgive. Now, for that to happen, you're going to need someone to forgive.
01:18:28
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So this is where our soul contracts come in because you would have made a soul contract pre-incarnation with someone who's going to come along at the age of 25, let's say, and smash your heart to smithereens. Betray you do the worst possible things. Now that's your opportunity for a lesson.
01:18:55
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in today's world, you'd be the victim. That victim mentality can set up anxiety, depression, bipolar, pick your poison. But if you are able to have a relationship with that and see the bigger picture of it, what's the point of me going through this right now? And maybe it's not evidently clear at that particular time. But then in five years time,
01:19:25
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you're gonna meet someone or go through an experience and think, oh, thank God I went through, I had that experience and now I'm able to deal with this this way. So if we can just open our gaze up a little bit instead of seeing something happening to us, we can really see it as a FedEx from heaven. Happening for us rather than to us. We're taught to think.
01:19:57
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Yeah, I tried to avoid saying it that way because it's a full mark card, but yeah, exactly.
Incorporating Visceral Manipulation
01:20:03
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I see your point there.
01:20:09
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We're like, we've probably lost some people already and I'm saying this every time I do a podcast now as well. But, um, you know, a lot of this actually comes from, from guys like Kyle Jung, who we base all of our psychology, our modern psychology on. And I guess where, you know, the medical system picks and chooses which parts of Jung's psychology they want to incorporate in their system. Um, but basically what you said, uh,
01:20:36
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was a discovery from Jung, and I'm sure many men previous to him said the same thing, but if people are upset by what they're hearing, just remember that the psychology system that you're using or that the medical system is using is based on the same one as that.
01:21:04
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And also that comes back to the original Bible days because the original Bible was written in Aramaic. Aramaic is made up of 16 characters, each of which can be translated up to four different ways, but the Roman Catholic Church at the time chose specific characters to mean specific things.
01:21:26
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and these specific things were actually written in metaphor, but now today have been translated literally. So we have a whole culture worshiping out of fear rather than the love of growth and evolution. So what polarity does that set up within the psyche? Profit. Yeah. Yeah. Very true.
01:21:53
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I'm trying to think about where to take this from now and I, I, um, I guess there's a number of different rabbit holes that we can do. Anywhere we want. Well, let's, let's talk a little bit about, um, you know, um,
01:22:11
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I guess I'd like to know a little bit about how you actually became an instructor for the Czech Institute and then what way of thinking and what, I guess, education you chose to take along the path of becoming who you are today. I'm going to turn my camera off again.
01:22:38
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didn't get the first part of that question. Sorry. Ah, sorry. I've just turned your camera off. You can turn it back on again if you like. Um, so I guess the first part of it was, and I've turned my camera off again now is, um,
01:22:53
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You know, what, take me through the process of becoming an instructor for the Czech Institute. And then, and then, um, you know, you're, you're in cooperation of, of black morale and visceral manipulation and some of the other things that, that you've incorporated into, uh, I guess into your education and you're like, who, what, what, what have you incorporated to, to end up, uh, being the person who you are today?
01:23:30
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Okay, I heard. I heard I'm becoming shocked during something about Burrell. So yeah.
01:23:37
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Can I repeat it once more for you or is it still breaking up? Yeah, okay. I'll turn the camera off for you. Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, so the question was, I guess, take me through the process of becoming an instructor for the Czech Institute. Like obviously, for people who don't know, I imagine that's not an easy task. I think as you develop through the levels, things become more and more
01:24:03
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technical and complicated. And, you know, you've got to present case studies and, and prove, based on your work that, you know, you're capable of doing, you know, it's, it's, you're not just becoming educated, you're showing the practical application of your education as well. And then I guess how you incorporate the morale sort of things and anything else that you incorporate, and how you, I guess, use that to become who you are today in what you're doing today.
01:24:35
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I've got that in its entirety. Thank you. Oh, awesome. Must be the camera trick. Could be. Um, the first part of the instructor. Yeah. So I just asked Paul what I needed to do. Oh yeah. And yeah, nothing too complicated. And I had to contact a specific person in the Institute is no longer there. And
01:25:05
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First of all, you had to have done HLC3 IMS5, or what is now IMS5 CP4 back in the day. And when you've done all that, whatever class you're teaching, you have to sit in five of them.
01:25:27
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And over those five different classes that you're sitting in, you get a bit more, I think the first one, you just sort of a witness watching how it works. Then you might present a certain subject, then you might present two subjects and then maybe half a day and whatever that was. Now, I was working kind of under someone in that regard and this, um,
01:25:57
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What happened? I couldn't even tell you what year this was. I think it was 15, 16 thereabouts. But I was, for lack of a better word, apprenticing at this point. And the person who I was apprenticing, I just left. I don't know why. I'm sure there's a lot more that I don't know than I do know. So I'm not going to comment too much on that.
01:26:27
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This person left and I got like an SOS to, I got like two weeks notice saying, can you teach exercise coach? So I did. And it's, I've been doing that kind of ever since the process to kind of get to that.
01:26:49
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apart from Paul going, you have to go through his bootcamp initiation, which we can't talk about on camera. That must've been something. Essentially to go through the levels. So there's prereqs for level one, prereqs for level two and prereqs for level three. To get to level four, you have to submit case histories.
01:27:20
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And they have to be marked by a faculty and ticked off to attend level four. To get to level five, you've got to submit case histories to Paul himself. Now I can tell you it's a interesting experience getting a call from Paul asking you to explain your program to this person.
01:27:51
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You turn off, you turn into that guy from the Simpsons who speaks like this and everything that you can know as logic as all this goes. Yeah. Just goes. So I remember being on this call with Paul and he's like, what does this mean? What did you get them to do that for?
01:28:12
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How come this is like that? And just I'm shaking in, you know, back in the old Skype days. And just sort of in disbelief of what I was doing, like who I was talking to in that moment. Like I'm talking to Paul. Like it's a bit of surreal situation. And he's like, well, you know, if you want to come to level four, you've got to do this and
01:28:43
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said, no, no, that's, that's fine. Yeah. And the way the conversation was going didn't sound that great from my point of view. And like I was taken back to exercise coach day one. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then he finished the call. I was like, okay, great. We'll see you at TV four. Oh yeah. No, but it was just a,
01:29:13
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He, to let you in, he connects to your soul and asks if you're ready. And then you get invited. So that's how I did the instructor thing. The Barao stuff came because I wanted to work with the organs more directly. And I didn't really understand what a major impact that would actually have
01:29:43
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I knew some nutrition stuff. I had an advanced diploma in nutrition prior to becoming a personal trainer back in the day. And if you, yeah, I mean, we think IMS is full of anatomy, visceral manipulation is net level. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um,
01:30:07
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So is power patient as well. Some students have asked me to teach them visceral stuff, which I'm happy to do for the right kind of students. And you know the experience of just trying to locate PSIS for some people, which is a bone, which sticks out. In visceral manipulation, you've got to find the left
01:30:36
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triangular ligament or the portal vein or the superior mesenteric artery. And it's very subtle and you've got to just tap into the, it's almost feeling then thinking, whereas most anatomy is thinking, Oh, that's what I'm feeling. It's opposite. So,
01:31:06
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those two modalities work really well together. And depending on the person would depend on different kind of, um, depending on the person would depend on the approach. So everyone who comes in to see me, they would get a bit of, I don't call it visceral exclusively cause there's also a neurological
01:31:35
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or neuromengeal, there's the brain aspect and there's also the vascular aspect. So sometimes someone's liver or their heart or their stomach might not need to be physically worked on, but the atrium of the heart might have some tension to it or the carotid artery or the vertebral artery or
01:31:59
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the iliac artery, something like that might just need to be opened up a little bit. And that's the, the floodgate. So, um, by definition, it's called medical massage. Okay. No one knows what medical massage is. So I end up talking about the organs and stuff
Tobacco's Healing Properties
01:32:15
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anyway. So, um,
01:32:19
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What was the last part of that question? I don't remember. And that's okay. I guess another question's popped into my mind now. Have you come across the guy Perry Nicholson? Stop chasing pain. He's a chiropractor who got into lymph, like lymphatic massage.
01:32:38
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rings a bell. Yeah. He's, he's a cool page to follow on Instagram. Um, he, you know, he's talking about some similar stuff and I think he studied a little bit with, uh, with Boral as well. Um, but yeah, I, I do find that very cool. Um, on, I've, I've, I've sort of lost my train of thought a little bit. Um, but I guess another question that I had for you was, um,
01:33:04
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You wrote a book and I believe it's called Doing the Wrong Things Right. And, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, when you start lifestyle coaching people,
01:33:17
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you know, everyone has their little vices and I think you talk a lot about you use the word vices specifically, but, um, you know, I think when I first took, uh, exercise coach or whether it was HLC one or something like that, maybe it was when I first discovered Paul's work. Oh, you know, I, I almost got a bit neurotic about it where I was like, you know, counting sugar and you know, lolly, you know, um,
01:33:39
Speaker
And it really is neurotic when you start to be like that because you're no longer living. You're surviving just to be healthy. And that's really not being healthy. And so I guess what you did in this book was you started to break down how you can make
01:34:07
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I guess your vices are less, less vicy, um, if, if that's the way to describe it. But, um, one of the things that I think, um, Paul has done in, in, he's probably been doing it for a long time, but, um, I think you may be in the cover of your book, or maybe it was a, it was a story you put on, um, Instagram a little while ago. Um, you showed, uh, manateau tobacco and.
01:34:33
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I know Paul does a lot of work with tobacco now and we all have this idea of what tobacco is and how tobacco causes cancer and it's the last thing you ever want to use if you're a healthy person.
01:34:48
Speaker
It's, it's again, one of those things and I find tobacco to be such an interesting topic because, you know, there's a book that Paul quotes about a medical doctor who wrote this book and I can't remember who it was, but it's like, you know, the healing properties of tobacco and how this, this guy used tobacco to treat people with medical conditions. And when you really investigate what's actually in tobacco,
01:35:10
Speaker
Well, tobacco is tobacco, right? But when you investigate what's actually in cigarettes, there's a lot more to it than just the leaf. And so I guess you start going down this rabbit hole of, again, really investigating and thinking critically for yourself how this potentially healing plant has been bastardized into something that is totally not what it used to be.
01:35:39
Speaker
Yeah, so I kind of remember what year I wrote that book. That book was originally a pamphlet. Oh yeah, okay. I was giving to clients because I was sick and tired of being asked, what should I eat? How do you want me to have coffee? And I realized pretty quick, I wasn't going, I mean, someone who has five coffees a day, if they hear someone
01:36:07
Speaker
The massage, I think I was just a massage therapist at the time. They hear their massage therapist saying, you need to cut out coffee. You're just going to go to a different massage therapist. It was me kind of trying my attempt of meeting them halfway. And as you said, we've all got our vices, right?
01:36:25
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Some it's chocolate, some it's coffee, some it's alcohol, some it's sugar, tobacco, whatever it is. So I just wrote that book to say, if you're going to do the wrong thing, do it the right way. You don't have to have the guilt associated with it unless you're getting some nutrition on board.
01:36:46
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a quote unquote healthy food. If you have that too much, that can become a problem as well. So it's all about balance. And there is such a dogma and a misunderstanding of tobacco. Not that I smoked it or anything, it's I mean, a cigarette and tobacco, arguably two different things.
01:37:16
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Yeah. You talk about money to tobacco.
01:37:23
Speaker
or have you pronounce it, I'm not really sure. Whatever it is, yeah. If it's preservative free tobacco that does have a lot of healing benefits, it can be great for digestion, great for fungal and parasite infections, has a very linearizing effect on the brain to help thought processes, especially if you've got a big to-do list. And I, so as an example, I,
01:37:53
Speaker
occasionally vaporized tobacco and it's, and Paul got me onto it, so technically it's his fault. But when I was having it with him, it was just really depending what you put with it.
01:38:12
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Tobacco becomes dangerous when it's exposed to flame. Cause that's when nicotine is released. Cause it's a fat soluble vitamin. When you vaporize, you're just heating it up. That's all you're doing. So you're just taking on the water molecules of the plant. That's really all it is. So I was walking, so with my ex girlfriend, I had a dog and
01:38:41
Speaker
Um, taking the dog for a walk on the park one day and I've stood on something. Didn't feel great. Didn't think too much of it. Thought it was maybe a bindi or something like that. I developed a very itchy inner thigh within about five minutes. And I thought it was a hot day. Maybe it's heat rash. Looked at my foot and it was sort of swollen, like on the sole of my foot.
01:39:08
Speaker
And then I got more and more itchy under my armpits and I looked at my arm and it was just a massive rash through here. Not right. Something's got into my lymphatic system. Oh no, type thing. And by the time I got to the car and trying to get the dog to follow me, I had welts. So I'm having an anaphylactic fit.
01:39:32
Speaker
reaction. Yeah, something. I still don't know what bit me. I'm assuming some kind of spot. Yeah. So I got into the car, looked in the mirror. I had welts over my face. My eyes were bloodshot. I could start to feel my airways. Yeah.
01:39:51
Speaker
gently close up and it was, I had to work just a little bit harder to breathe. I'm thinking, okay, dog home, do I go to hospital? What do I do? And as soon as I asked, I tried to just sort of sit there and like ask soul what you want me to do. I've got a very clear picture of tobacco. So what I did
01:40:16
Speaker
I got some tobacco, some herbs, and I put one drop of peppermint oil in that mix. I vaporized the bag of tobacco within 20 minutes, completely symptom free. Wow. That is a true story. Yeah. 100% true. Yeah. That's very cool. My ex will, she's listening, she'll verify this. Attest to that. She saw me, I took a cold shower prior to do something. I don't know what I was going to do. Oh my God.
01:40:46
Speaker
I'm gonna buy a thousand of these or something. So... Yeah. I think I'm...
01:40:52
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I think one of the cool things that you learn about tobacco or nicotine, I don't know which one it actually is. I don't know whether it's the nicotine or whether it's the tobacco itself, but it's actually one of the few things that stimulates the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system simultaneously. And so that's for anyone wondering why it can aid in things like digestion, you know, due to the stimulation of the parasympathetic nervous system, then, you know, that's the reason why it's having that mechanism, right?
01:41:23
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. As soon as you, I mean, think about back in the trading days, it was pepper, cacao, tobacco, like the highest value things to trade with. Yep. Today, I think pepper still has a good, good scorecard to it. But yeah. Yeah. So when you take on tobacco, it goes into the lung rutian.
01:41:52
Speaker
Because you're inhaling it, obviously. Now the lone meridian overlaps to the colon or the large intestine, you get a peristaltic effect to it. And because it goes into the lung, it gets absorbed quicker, but also gets expelled quicker too. So you can vaporise tobacco, get a full-bodied tingle, which is the tobacco going into the bloodstream, but it only lasts a couple of minutes.
01:42:16
Speaker
Yeah, I went to Zen in the Garden in 2019, I think it was, and Paul had the volcano out at the end, and I remember that exact experience.
01:42:29
Speaker
Pretty cool.
Meridian System in Dentistry
01:42:31
Speaker
Um, so I, I, I guess I'm kind of like, sometimes I use these podcasts as just an opportunity to, to ask someone questions, whether, whether other people are interested in it or not, hopefully they are. But one of the last questions that I've got for you, cause we've been talking for nearly two hours now is, um,
01:42:48
Speaker
is I guess you touched on the meridians and I know a lot more holistic dentists are now using the meridian system because they know that teeth are on the same meridian system as certain organs but can you speak a little bit and I don't know the extent of your knowledge on this but how the piezoelectric effect of I guess the teeth and the meridian system act together?
01:43:19
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The piezoelectrical charge will occur
Piezoelectric Charge and Energy Flow
01:43:21
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and the main conduit of that has something to do with salt as well. So anytime there's an on-off mechanism, be it muscle contraction, chewing, on-off type thing, you create this piezoelectrical charge. Now this charge is
01:43:46
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what Jerry Tennant would call charging the battery packs of the body. So the way he explains it, he's a, I think he's a medical doctor and a dentist from memory. He's definitely a dentist. So he talks about the body as different battery packs. So you think holding a flashlight, you got batteries
01:44:06
Speaker
in the handle and the the piezoelectrical charge goes from one battery to the next like the positive the negative positive and carries on so and so forth. So how that would work from firstly a let's say spinal point of view you got your intervertebral bodies on the top you've got a positive bottom you've got a negative positive negative that creates electrical charge
01:44:31
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going down and it's reversed as it goes back up with the muscle slash, um, the fascial system, which is more the, the fascia of the bodies, kind of like the body's wiring system. Yep. So muscle contracts as relaxes contract, relax. You get this piezoelectrical charge, which stimulates the meridian on that nerve channel. Sorry. The, um, the nerve dermatome on that nerve. Okay. Yep.
01:45:02
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Now when you're, yeah, so when you're also the myotymal. Okay. Yep. Yep. Now with the teeth, each tooth is connected to a certain part of the body, each tooth. So these, your front teeth connected to liver, kidney, um, you know, I, and it goes back around, I think.
01:45:32
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C four five certain segments of the spine and down. I think that these fingers and first two toes. So that's what that tooth complex is connected to. So
01:45:54
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When we bite down and release, bite down, release, we create this current, which charges the meridian. And let's say it can work both ways. But if you have a tooth missing and you bite down, it can create a torque of energy instead of the energy kind of
01:46:16
Speaker
doing what it's doing, it creates more of a talk in the fascia, which kind of in some people can create like an energetic Chinese burn somewhere in the body. So it'll be unexplainable pain somewhere, but it's actually coming from the tooth. So anytime you bite down, you charge the meridian, each certain meridians overlap into certain other meridians.
01:46:41
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And in my book, what pain is telling you there's a whole diagram and what connects to what and et cetera. So the teeth are really the beginning and the end of each acupuncture meridian, depending which way it's going. Now, I think it's 96% of cancer patients recorded had root canal surgery.
01:47:07
Speaker
So the teeth are really the circuit breakers of the body from a piezoelectrical viewpoint. If there's something going on with the tooth, it significantly decreases the charge of that meridian on that particular part of the body. Now it could be the lung meridian, the stomach meridian, pick your organ, anything.
01:47:36
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But the more charge that Meridian loses, that goes then into
Dental Health and Energy Systems
01:47:41
Speaker
the neighboring Meridian, which initially tries to keep it charged up, but it inevitably is not going to be able to because the circuit's broken. And then that Meridian next to it starts to lose power because that one starts to suck the life out of it too, and it just cascades, cascades, cascades.
01:48:01
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And this is a potentially decade or two process usually. Yeah. So it doesn't happen overnight.
01:48:09
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So that's why tooth health, teeth health, dental health is so important. And that's why Paul talks about certain metals in the mouth, having two different types of metal in your mouth can create electrolysis, which stuffs up, disturbs that piezoelectric current as well. But then muscles can't function as well, fascia can't function as well. And then you systemically start to decay from the inside out.
01:48:43
Speaker
You've scared me now. I've mentioned this to my dentist friend before, but I've got a root canal in my front left tooth got knocked out when I was
01:48:56
Speaker
I think it was when I was 12, cricket ball, I was with no helmet on and a cricket ball chipped the tooth off. And yeah, there's a little stump left and yeah, the nerve died and then a couple of years later, they extracted what was left of it out of there. But it's kind of one of those things that I've always thought about like, you know, what can I do to, you know, I guess there's a question for you. Like, what do you do once you've had a root canal?
01:49:28
Speaker
Aside from, so what you can do is work with what's called the age. Well, I was going to say aside from stay on top of the diet and lifestyle sort of stuff. Well, yeah, that's, I'd like to say that's a given, but a lot of people wouldn't even think to do that. So yeah, apart from that.
01:49:47
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you can work with the AV joints, which is the aviola joints, which is where the tooth would sit up, the joint where the tooth would sit up into the skull, tacked into the periodontal ligaments that connect directly to the brain. So if you have, so if you, I'll try and do this and talk. Go up as high as you can into the gum, where the tooth would, into the skull, and if it's tender,
01:50:15
Speaker
either side, then there's tension around that joint. If you can ease the tension, then that will at least take some pressure off the grain. It will also tell. I'm doing that right now. Yeah, so if it's tender, good chance there could be some scar tissue left over, which scar tissue is acidic, so therefore it's going to irritate the nerves.
01:50:42
Speaker
but it ultimately puts pressure on the brain from beneath. It can also tell a specific part of the brain that it's under tension and depending on your, we'll call it cerebral profile, meaning if you're more inclined to be left brained or right brained or creative or an overthinker, a feeler, et cetera, et cetera,
01:51:13
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either sap that part of the brain where you process that or it can excite it overexcited so where we learn so where we process our our social self is predominantly pre-frontal lobe left side where we social where we process
01:51:38
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our deep self in relation to ourselves is the prefrontal right brain.
01:51:43
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So if you have pressure on that part of the brain, you could start feeling symptoms of issues with self as an example for that. But it's not necessarily a mental thing. It'll be perceived as a mental thing because we'll start feeling that way because that part of the brain that processes that information has pressure on it. So its capacity to compute that is diminished.
01:52:10
Speaker
Yeah, gotcha. That's something that I want to investigate. And, you know, even just, even just applying pressure on that tooth, I can, I can feel, um, what kind of makes me think of, of what Rebecca describes in the book, the body electric, where, um, you know, he describes feelings of phantom limbs. Um, and you know, the, the electrical feeling of the limbs still being there when it's, when it's no longer there. Uh, so yeah, it's, it's an interesting thing and probably a rabbit hole that I'll need to go down a little bit further, I think.
01:52:40
Speaker
Um, I guess on the note of, of, uh, you, you kind of had, you, it's, uh, it's, I love talking to, to people who, who have a deep understanding of the body. Cause you kind of have a look on your face. You're like, I think you've, you've sparked off something and I can see that, um, that there, um,
01:53:05
Speaker
On the topic of piezoelectric energy and what you've just explained, how does that relate to Paul's working in exercises and the way that you use those specific exercises and those zone exercises to charge different areas of the body? So the zone exercises are the work in modalities that he uses
01:53:35
Speaker
They're really designed to bring energy or chi or oxygen into a particular part of the body. So he's broken them up into six zones, which just happened to correlate with the chakras. He didn't use the word chakra because that book, How to Eat, Move, Be Healthy, is essentially written for Western minds from an Eastern perspective. So he just changed it to zones.
01:54:02
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you'll notice the pictures in the book, they're all corresponding. Um, the shorts is wearing colors to said chakra. So let's say, um, we're talking a lot about the liver today. So zone three, now
Exercises for Energy Flow
01:54:23
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the actions of the movement to aid the motility
01:54:30
Speaker
of the organ that corresponds to that particular zone. The movement works perpendicular to the motility of the organ. So the organs, so I don't know if I'm visible or not, but the liver has a motility like this, sort of side to side. So most of the zone three movements are extension, flexion, extension, flexion. So that pumps
01:55:00
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the organ system. It also helps kind of lubricate and get more blood, more lymph, more oxygen into those spinal segments, so between T5, T9 and
01:55:19
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If there's a blockage there, you'll obviously feel that you can work into it. That's why he couples the breathing with it. When you remove those blockages, it allows that piezoelectrical charge to reconnect through the upper and lower chakra systems for that. So
01:55:41
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I challenge any one of my patients, when I get them to do it, sometimes I feel a bit silly. But we just go through the list and find the one that feels the best for them. And I've never ever had anyone say they felt worse than doing it. And the hardest bit about doing them is just doing them. You never regret doing them, but it's just the
01:56:09
Speaker
getting into that start position and then, as soon as you get to the second, third rep, you're on your way. So I would often do them after a workout, especially if I've got a huge day ahead, just to kind of recharge the batteries. But that's how that would work from a piezoelectrical
01:56:38
Speaker
point of view. And if you're, let's say doing breathing squats and you start shaking a lot or getting kind of almost doms or lactic acid build up in the legs, that's an indication of where that charge could be blocked as well. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Interesting. And so when you're
01:56:57
Speaker
Uh, hopefully I don't keep you here for another hour, but I'm fascinated by this, this topic. Um, so the way you describe the piezoelectric energy and the battery system of the body, every time you do a Tai Chi exercise or a zone exercise, you're charging that battery. And so it's almost like you're using kinetic energy to charge, um, to charge the body. And, and you know, we say kinetic energy, but I'm also.
01:57:24
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you know, using, well, the word piezoelectric energy. And in the book, which I keep referencing the body electric, Rebecca talks about piezoelectric energy when a crystal is like a quartz crystal. If it's morphed in any way, when there's pressure or compression on that crystal, it creates a piezoelectric charge. And so that's what's happening in an electric lighter when you
01:57:52
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turn the wheel of the electric lighter and it strikes the There's a there's a quartz crystal in there and the warping of that quartz crystal is what creates the arc that lights the lighter and so that's what's happening at some level in the body when you're when you're doing those own exercises, but I guess my question from there would be the fascia therefore like a guy like
01:58:21
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The fourth phase of water goer is describing a fascia and water as liquid crystals. Is the fascia there for a liquid crystal? Is the same effect as the warping of that crystal or the compression of that crystal happening in the body when you're moving?
01:58:53
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The way I would answer that, sorry, sorry for the massive question. If you look at what bones are made of. No, it's all right. Cut that cut out a little bit. Turn my camera off again. The gist. So our bones are made up of crystals. crystals have certain. Yeah.
01:59:24
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Each, certain parts of the body are made up of certain kind of crystals. Each crystal has its own resonating frequency, its own, can't think of the word right now, its own thing. Best I've got. And the combination of, so when you're moving, let's say, the bone is under a certain amount of pressure.
01:59:53
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So those crystalline structures within the bone are activated. Now that energy has to go somewhere. So that energy then gets translated into the muscle which attaches to the bone via the musculotendinous junction.
02:00:10
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That joint complex and the tendons of the muscle have what we call mechanoreceptors, which inform the brain where that particular joint muscle is in time and space.
02:00:25
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that then energy gets transferred into the fascia, which has more of a elasticity effect compared to muscles. And then that energy goes from like a rubber band, kinetic energy keeps going. That's where we get movement from. We have different types of fascia in the body. And interestingly enough, it actually
02:00:51
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If you look at a cadaver dissection in and around the heart, you have a lot of, they call it soft fascia. I can't remember the clinical name. They call it soft, medium, hard fascia. The hard fascia is made more of collagen fibers. The medium is kind of a combination of both, but depending where it is in and around the heart,
02:01:20
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it gets softer to the heart because it has to transfer blood and blood, oxygen and water from say your big toe to your heart and it has to do it nonstop. So the further away you get from the heart, the more collagen fibers are around the arteries, around the fascia, around the nerves, et cetera, et cetera, because it has to have more integrity in order to kind of pump that thing all the way back again.
02:01:51
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with, what was the other, the first bit? Uh, let me try and remember the question now. Uh, it was a long one. Um, so I guess I was asking about, um, you know, the, the piezoelectric charge that, that is related to, um, you know, creating energy in the body through zone exercises and, you know, the, the, what, um,
02:02:18
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In the book, The Fourth Phase of Water by Gerald Pollack, he describes water or the fourth phase of water as like a liquid crystal. I was talking about how perhaps the fascia
02:02:36
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being, I guess surrounded by or enveloped or, you know, saturated in that fourth phase of water. If the effect of movement of that is creating the piezoelectric charge. Yeah. So each, I mean, movement, a lot of people think movement comes from muscles. Yep. Where that's 20% true.
02:03:01
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The, each muscle is encased in a fascial envelope, which stores the kinetic energy, which allows movement to occur. So if you're doing a dead lift or an Olympic lift, yeah, 80% of that lift is coming from the fascial system from a, um, a charge point of view that.
02:03:31
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That fascia I'll try and show on this water bottle. So the fascia isn't necessarily like that. It's kind of like that. Yeah. In different layers. So layers are going to do that with the, the energy, which allows us to openly rotate and do all kinds of weird and wonderful movements. Now water.
02:03:59
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needs to be a certain, we need to be, it comes back to more hydration than anything because 75% of the water, sorry, 75% of the muscle is water. And I think fascia, I can't remember the number on fascia.
02:04:19
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But fascia is the main wiring system where the water is transferred through the body. So we have fascia surrounding everything. And it's the tensegrity elasticity proponents of the fascia that allows that movement to happen, not only from a waving your arm or walking point of view, but also from water getting to your big toe
02:04:49
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to the brain or from lymph moving, pumping, Serena spinal fluid and more towards the midline of the body. It gets, it gets more to be, um, think of seaweed in the current as my plastic flow, Serena spinal fluid going up and down the spine, cleaning the brain. And then it gets kind of more and more erratic as it goes out. It becomes more and more, um, what's that?
02:05:18
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Ah, like pulse and yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So water is required to do that. Salt is required to do that. And also, um, the crystalline structures within the bone communicate to the mechanoreceptors in the tendons, which tell the muscle spindle cells in the muscle how to respond. Now out of that, the collagen picks up the elasticity from that.
02:05:48
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as well. And that's essentially where you get moving from. That's how you know. So even like in a, can't remember the name of the crystal where they put in compasses. Oh yeah. I've got Google here. Yeah. But that's also found in our sphenoid bone. So we're a living compass, right? So it's not just all about
02:06:18
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the electrical current, but all of these crystals have a certain properties. I can't think of the word. I'm brain farting on the word.
02:06:32
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Like a certain crystal helps
Body's Design and Energy Management
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navigate, certain crystal helps pump this up, certain crystal helps calm that down, certain crystal helps kind of pump that up. Our bodies are made of all these crystals. That's why when you walk into a crystalline cave, you will feel something. You'll feel like you're being worked on type of thing. And certain crystal shops. Let me say this, if you ever walk into a shop,
02:07:02
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probably around Byron Bay area. Um, you go into a shop with his heaps of crystals, take a look at the owner. They are not stressed individuals. Yeah. I'll say that. Um, because they're being harmonized all day. They've been worked on all day and their bodies probably basically resonating with their shop. That can be translated into, you know, physiology movement.
02:07:32
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day-to-day stuff, your capacity to handle stress, being lost and trying to figure out where you are in relation to everything else, because everything's made up of these little crystals. And if you're walking on a path and you're lost and something just tells you to go right to something, you don't know what it is, that's the crystal instructions within the bone informing
02:08:00
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everything else, all the other tissues that gets the brain and then you, Oh, I'll go right. And to the degree that's healthy and functioning and cleaning your body, you might, the right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, you'll probably go left.
02:08:15
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Yeah, that's very cool. Again, to quote that book, and I'm sure there's plenty of other books like The Body Electric, but it's just the one that I'm kind of diving deep into now. He's showing the intelligent design of the body and how there's like this crystal lattice in bone.
02:08:38
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The collagen fibers are interlaced with appetite fibers and then there's one individual piece of one molecule of copper within the bone and it's showing how the bone is LED like it's literally a light emitting diode.
02:08:58
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I've heard Paul talk and I don't proclaim to know anything about this beyond what I've heard Paul say, but how the bones act as batteries and there's a positively and negatively charged end of each bone. Hopefully I'm correct on that, but it's just like the complexity of the body and the way it works is far beyond what any of us are capable of probably comprehending.
02:09:27
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No, our bodies are way smarter than we are. Um, you know, our bodies have survived millions of years of evolution and our conscious minds have only been around for, in my case, 40 years. So I'm not going to compete with that. Um, I enjoy understanding it and learning about it. I'll never master it. Never. But, um,
02:09:56
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Yeah, it's pretty, I mean, the anatomy that makes up a human body, you can't help but just to... Marvel at it. Yeah. Whatever you pray to in awe. Just as a quick example, if you got every nerve fiber laid at end to end,
02:10:23
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It would stretch just shy of a hundred thousand kilometers, which wraps itself around the world two and a half times. Same amount with every nerve, sorry, there's a corresponding artery. So you've got that stuffed in you. That's just kind of two tiny examples. And we've lost the awe.
02:10:49
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of this exceptional gift that nature's given us and the things we do to it.
02:11:00
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Um, yeah, very cool. So, you know, I don't want to take too much more of your time and I do appreciate it. So, um, if, if I, there's a guy who I think that you might be interested in, um, and I've, I've just sort of taken, you know, a little bit more oral. If you've heard of the podcast that Matt Maruca has done with, with pull check the guy on, uh, the light diet wearing like blue light blocking glasses, like the young dude with long blonde hair, he learned from a guy.
02:11:28
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who's a neurosurgeon called Jack Cruise on, and he's like an expert on, on light. Um, and some of the stuff that he is, he's the science that he's producing on electricity within the body and electromagnetic fields and, and how light interacts with the body and how the body is electric before it's chemical. Um, and, and stuff that you've probably been aware of for a long time. It's just like, it's just blowing my mind at the moment. And, uh, you know, he's, he's, he talks about how.
02:11:58
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Um, you know, you should train outside in sunlight and the specific reason for that and how tissue changes when it's exposed to infrared light and, and, and full spectrum light and how non native EMFs and, and, uh, you know, uh, narrow spectrum light or narrow band light, um, dry out tissue. Um, and it's, it's just like, it's just.
02:12:20
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Fascinating. It's like, again, one of those things that you just got to be in awe of because it's impossible to completely comprehend. But where can people find you? They can find me anywhere, really. I'm not huge on Facebook mainly because I forget to check it. I've got Instagram.
02:12:46
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I think Matt Sorensen, H.H. for HealHub. I've got healhub.net where I've got a range of different online programs and online learning stuff there. Also, you have access to check education stuff on there now with your own little discount. When you click those,
02:13:13
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And since June last year, I opened up a physical space, and there's an online platform as well, truewoo.com, T-A-U-E-W-O-O.com. It's about half truth and half woo woo, so merging spirit with science. And we have a physical space here in Cronulla with a lovely bunch of practitioners and
02:13:39
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We all work together, support together, and we're all very open-minded. Um,
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02:13:43
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and we all just kind of work together and try to make this world a little bit nicer. So yeah, cool. Yeah, that's right. I'll have to come and give you a visit someday. Um, appreciate your time today, Matt. Definitely. We're hosting courses. No pleasure. Absolute pleasure. Yeah, cool. Um, well, I'll end it there. Um,