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EP05 Mark Varitimos
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Mark is a wealth of knowledge on all things diet, exercise and lifestyle. He's a CHEK Practitioner and lifestyle coach, he's qualified in Functional Diagnostics Nutrition (FDN), which enables him to conduct and interpret hormonal panels. food intolerance testing and many other things, and he's also an expert in Emotional Freedom Technique, otherwise known as EFT or Tapping
I hope you enjoy his unique take on health and psychology as much as I do.
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Transcript
Introduction & Friendship Origins
00:00:01
Speaker
All right, welcome to episode five, everyone. My name's Nick Tasky, and today I'm joined by Mark Rudemas. Mark's been a mate of mine now for, I don't know, probably since 2017, we did check holistic lifestyle coaching level two together in Sydney with Joe Rushton. And we lost contact for a little while, but then when I moved back to Brisbane in 2019,
00:00:28
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got in contact with Mark and we started working out of the same studio together. So we've been kind of friends ever since then. And I think probably now we talk more than, more than we ever have actually.
Shared Knowledge on Health
00:00:40
Speaker
It's a, it's a, it's a good relationship. So I'll pass over to Mark and let him introduce himself.
00:00:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's been a great friendship, which I've learned a lot from. I think you're right. When we first worked in the studio, we were working essentially separate hours, so we didn't really talk that often. And then we both left at around about the same time to start our own brands.
00:01:05
Speaker
And then we started staying in contact and it was like, cool, I've got certain information. You really study different branches of information, which is quite interesting. So, you know, I think we're always learning from each other, which is pretty awesome. Don't always have to necessarily agree as well. So yeah, it's pretty good to have someone to pass our ideas off of. And I think you've always got a different perspective and not necessarily that we disagree a lot, but it's good to have someone to pass our ideas off of.
00:01:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you know, uh, the recent rabbit hole you've gone down around, um, sort of blue light EMF sort of stuff, you know, it's definitely made me more conscious. Um, and you know, I thought I had kind of everything sorted, but now it's like, all right, I've got another layer to work through. Um, so, so, you know, that's actually been really exciting for me because for a little while I've, I kind of felt a little bit stagnant and I'm like, what's, what's exciting at the moment? Like, what else, what else is there? Yeah. Yeah. And.
Health Supplements & Lifestyle
00:02:06
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The supplements stuff or, you know, I guess supplements aren't like what the check system is about or what you're mostly interested in. But when I'm, you know, when I feel like I've got the diet and lifestyle stuff covered, then I'm like, well, what can I add to this to add some cream to the top or to, you know, take things to the next level? And I've kind of just felt for a little while a little bit stagnant in that way. You know, I think we're
00:02:35
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Maybe one of my neuroses is always trying to make things better than they are, but the light side of things has got me excited. And then everything that goes with that a little bit as well.
00:02:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, it's certainly interesting. You know, I've had an earthing sheet now for a few years, and definitely try and touch the earth every day. But what you're working with around definitely the light and the blue light, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna be more conscious of this. So so yeah, it's helped me change a habit, you know, I've started, um,
00:03:09
Speaker
uh dimming my lights earlier putting on the Himalayan rock salt lamp um and you know just just trying to tone down a little bit more before bed rather than sort of rushing away at my laptop trying to churn out emails too late so um so it's definitely helped me change some behavior um and i think where you know some of some of the things where you know um
00:03:29
Speaker
I've potentially assisted with your knowledge base was probably a bit more around the mindset sort of side because that's kind of a bit of a passion of mine to really go into the mindset side around, you know, thoughts and emotions and you know how they can manifest in certain things. So yeah, no, I think we're both pretty much aligned around sort of the nutrition I've bumped into the organic markets a few times. Yeah, yeah. And and on the exercise side as well.
00:03:55
Speaker
Yeah, and so I guess you're, you started off just as a regular personal trainer, right? And then you got introduced to the, to the check stuff through, uh, believe it was, you said it was a leg length discrepancy. Um, yeah, yeah. Uh, so, so more or less that's what happened, uh, in terms of the sequencing of events. Um.
Mark's Health Journey & Check System
00:04:16
Speaker
you know, I had I had an injury where it was like two hernias and then, you know, the surgeon sent me off for x rays and so forth. And then I was like, Oh, look, you know, these hernias have probably come around due to a leg length discrepancy. So right leg being slightly shorter than the left leg. And I was like, cool, you know, I got a lift in one of my shoes. And
00:04:36
Speaker
you know, I hated that, to be honest with you, I was walking around and I was getting a sore back, I'd never actually suffered sore backs until I started using, you know, a little lift in one of my shoes, I actually got like four or five of my shoes like cobbled with a lift, you know, so yeah, yeah, so it was and then my lower back started hurting quite a lot. So I was like, there's got to be there's got to be another way. So
00:04:57
Speaker
Um, that basically coincided with me coming across the check stuff. So you know, a massage therapist actually recommended a book called how to eat move and be healthy by Paul check and then I employed what they call a check practitioner in which which we both are now to help me you know, just get biomechanically right and what actually happened was and I was told many times you can't fix a leg length discrepancy just can't happen.
00:05:23
Speaker
And what happened is I was written up a stretching program, a foam rolling program and mobilizations. And I followed that extremely diligently. And it was literally only within six to eight weeks there was a difference. And I was seeing a chiropractor once a month and he was like, you can't change leg length, you can't change leg length. And then
00:05:45
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did this stretching program, stretching slash foam rolling slash mobilization program. After two months, he's like, my God, you've actually literally you've like, basically now have an even leg length discrepancy what the hell are you been doing, you know, so. So, you know, it was just a lot of precise stretching that helped that. And then from there, it was like, cool, this is this is something I'm really interested in. So I studied the first check course in 2012.
Career Transition to Health
00:06:14
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after being, you know, borderline obsessed with health for probably two years before that, started site, yeah, did the first course in 2012. And then I was still working in banking and finance at the time, and then resigned two years later, took a little bit of a break and then went into health. Yeah, cool. So there's a few things I want to touch on there. And the first thing is,
00:06:37
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like the leg length discrepancy thing, because there's, you know, you can be born with one leg longer than the other. And then that's a thing where you would need an insert for your shoe, right? Like, I agree that there's there's something, you know, there's like your structural, which would be potentially born with the shorter leg than the other side, or there's functional, which is kind of like, well, it's as a result of your function.
00:07:01
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You know, I never really got my leg length discrepancy scan. It was only by observation from the car where he said, look, you've basically even it out now. So, so yes, I think I had a functional, you know, a functional differences.
00:07:18
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Yeah. And so I think what I remember you saying was that that was a short QL or quadratus lumborum that was doing that, right? So a muscle that attaches to the top of the pelvis in the back. And when you lengthen that muscle, it changed the length of the leg.
00:07:33
Speaker
Yeah, it was quite a quadratus lumborum work. And, you know, this was now, you know, 11 years ago, I did that program. So QL work. A bit of foam rolling on that on the, you know, a bit more foam rolling and stretching on the tighter side. I think even sort of the hamstring glute area. And yeah, like I said, within six, eight weeks, in accordance with the chiropractors observation, it was basically equaled out. Yeah. Yeah, very cool.
00:08:03
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So let's talk about then what got you into actually practicing. So you're working in the finance industry. You lived overseas for a little while as well, right?
00:08:14
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You've got a couple of degrees, one's in finance and the other one's in... Well, I can't remember you. Oh yeah, one's in commerce, one's in economics. Oh yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, a Bachelor of Commerce, Bachelor of Economics. Yeah, so I was in banking and finance and basically what happened is, especially after I did that course in 2012, I was like, oh, I'd love to do this full-time, like this would be so cool, you know.
00:08:36
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But then like all
Stress & Health Connection
00:08:38
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the fear came in of well, how am I going to pay the bills? How we get clients, you know, I'm not really a salesperson by trade, you know How am I gonna how am I gonna sell myself all those kind of things, you know, so so I really seriously started considering in 2012
00:08:55
Speaker
But you know, at the same time, I actually was working for a very good corporate and always did even prior to that employer, like I was just actually quite lucky where I had really good employers and good managers, lucky in one sense, but unlucky in the other sense, because then, you know, there's no reason to move. So yeah, yeah.
00:09:15
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So 2012 was where I got the calling. And then I was working on some pretty interesting projects in the banking and finance industry. But then by 2014, the calling was extremely strong that a change was needed. So to the extent that, and I think I may have told you in the past in just one of our conversations, to the extent that I first started waking up with just a really heavy head.
00:09:44
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heavy head, low energy, and it's like, all right, I can work through this, like, everyone works through this, like, it's just, you know, not everyone skips to work. That's just the reality, right? So maybe I'm just one of those people now. So heavy head, no energy. And then what happened is, I actually started getting quite constipated. To the extent that I had
00:10:05
Speaker
Probably only one or two bowel movements a week and you know, it was normally pretty regular So so it didn't make any sense. I had a clean diet, you know, I was on basically an all-organic food diet And you know was quite irregular I'd spent a lot of money on an integrative doctor Didn't really change much in terms of the herbal supplementation maybe five or ten percent and
00:10:30
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And then and then what actually happened was, when I resigned from my position, basically, my my bowel movements were completely restored, like literally within a week, like at the most, it was probably within even a few days, or potentially, so I just remember clearly just going, Oh, wow, this is this is, it was just my body really screaming for change. And, and I think a lot of emotion was clogged up in there.
00:10:59
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And then so was that kind of a little bit of an affirmation to you that, you know, once you became more regular and your bowel movements that maybe, maybe the psychology and the physical relate to each other, but also the fact that you've made the right decision.
Growth Through Negative Emotions
00:11:15
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Yeah, definitely. The main thing that landed was how much the psychology can affect the physical. You know, I've read about it before, you know, in our check studies, never, you know, it's hard to fully buy into it sometimes. Like, you know, some of it is very hard to quantify by science. Like, you know, we, we don't know how much someone hates someone else. Like, we can't measure that.
00:11:39
Speaker
We don't know how much someone loves their partner. Like, again, we can't actually really measure that. So so, you know, coming from a banking and finance background, I was always pretty evidence based sort of guy. And for people to say, hey, look, if you stress that your job that could affect your digestion, you know, there was always this part of me of, well, that's just complete BS, you know.
00:12:02
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And honestly, like, you know, I've been doing this work now full time seven years, and I've seen a lot of changes from the mental emotional side to how they can manifest in the physical. And even now I still have my doubts, you know, I still need more evidence. You know, I think it's good to stay. Yeah, I think there's an element of of like, health to that or, you know, healthy questioning. And
00:12:25
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You know, I think once you make your mind up about something being totally true, then you stop questioning it, right? And so, you know, again, I don't ever want to fall into a pattern of just believing things because someone who are deemed to be an expert says that it's true. And so I like the fact that even though you've seen evidence that what you're saying is true, you're still open to questioning it.
00:12:53
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Look, I actually hope it's not going off too off tangent, but I had a conversation with a client only a few weeks ago. And she may listen to this podcast. So so I won't mention the name, but so she she I think is a very smart person. And she just recently started a job.
00:13:10
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in robotics, which means you got to be quite smart, really. And, and she graduated with honors from her university. And she's just like, I'm just not smart enough. I'm just not smart enough. And, and she was like, I got to change it. So I was like, Hey, look, you know, we can try and change it. Or maybe we even embrace it, you know, so the I'm not smart enough can can keep us curious.
00:13:33
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you know, it can make sure that we really do learn the material. Just imagine if a graduate went into a corporate and said, I am smart enough, I know everything, like you're gonna miss a lot of stuff, you know, so, so I personally think it's good to have this balance of, of
00:13:49
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I'm not smart enough, you know, I am smart enough and almost working in balance bouncing between the two, you know, because the I'm not smart enough can keep you curious and keep you grounded. The I am smart enough can give you confidence. So ideally, you kind of want to bounce between the two in my view anyway.
00:14:09
Speaker
I really like how you reframe that and I think it's one of those things where we can get stuck with thinking that, you know, my ideas are broken about myself and so, you know, again, not to rehash what you said, but it's like, well,
00:14:27
Speaker
I think we also have this idea that whenever a negative thought or emotion arises and that that must be wrong. And there's this idea that we perpetuate that anytime I'm, you know, I have negative self-talk, then I need to change that. And maybe that's true to some degree, but also
00:14:47
Speaker
A lot of the times the negative self-talk is true. And so it's a part of us that's highlighting what we need to change about ourselves, or it's saying he's an area for growth. And if we choose to ignore that, then how can we ever change? How can we ever grow?
00:15:05
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, look, you know, this is a topic of I love. So and I work a lot with people's negativities and you will as well in your job, you know, people come to you with their negativity. So I personally think
00:15:20
Speaker
And you know, I may change this opinion down the track, I actually think there's more growth in the negativities than there are in the positivity. Okay, so so, you know, when someone's feeling like anger or hate or sadness, there's a lot more impetus to change than if they're feeling happy and peaceful and joyous, there's a lot more impetus to change.
00:15:39
Speaker
Now the tricky part is around like, you know, things like anger, sadness and hate and so forth. If people get stuck in there, they become addicted to those emotions. That's where the tricky part comes in. That's where the work needs to come in and like, all right, we need to start finding some balance here between the positivity and the negativity.
00:16:01
Speaker
I'll throw a couple of examples at you as well around, around emotions and where science is going with this. And, and again, like I said, it's very difficult to measure emotions, you know, that someone's holding in their body, it's quite subjective, actually. So there's, there's, like, you know, there's research, and I've come across this in the book, Your Body Says No by Dr. Gabbo Amate. Have you have you heard of Dr. Gabbo Amate?
00:16:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I really, really, really love his work. So, so great book as well. And he talks about, he saw it's loads of different research in there. And I just remember one clearly being, you know, suppressed anger has been linked with cancer. And there's some research around that. You know, cancer, not sorry, anger not modulated properly can lead to cardiovascular disease. And I have double checked these studies. So it's quite interesting. So I personally think there's a lot of growth,
00:16:55
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in the negative emotions and there can also be growth in the positive emotions. But we just got to learn how to use the negative emotions.
Anger as Constructive Change
00:17:05
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I'd probably like to give one other example if that's okay before we go off another tangent probably. Go ahead.
00:17:11
Speaker
Yeah, sure. So I would even say I know it's a political topic, but you know, the pandemic hit and there were people like myself and yourself that were, you know, angry at at the way it was being handled. OK, like we come from a holistic health background of, hey, look, let's try and support your immune system.
00:17:34
Speaker
And, and as a result, like I was I know I got angry. So I had practically no social media before the pandemic. Okay, so practically nine hours. I'd be perfectly happy not having a social media, quite frankly, but but I've now realized it's actually can be a very effective tool. And that's what I try and use. So some of my first videos, my very first videos were
00:17:56
Speaker
how to how to help your immune system naturally i didn't even talk about supplementation i was just talking about sleep hydration nutrition those kind of things and it was the anger of all these principles are being promoted and they could really help people's immune system it was that anger that actually started triggering me to do my first videos.
00:18:17
Speaker
And I haven't gone back and watched them. So I'm like, oh, they're probably gonna be shocking videos. But but but that that's a good example of how anger can be very constructive as opposed to destructive. So and I think I even see the same in you, like I can see like, you know, I'm not happy with this. I'm not happy with that. And I think it's led you to start your own brand, and even start your own podcast, like I can do my podcast better than these other podcasts.
00:18:43
Speaker
that are pretty crap out there. So I'd say that's a good example of using your anger constructively. Does that make sense at all? Is that landing with you? Yeah, I'm not sure I want to be better. It's just that I like to spread different ideas and I think a lot of the time
00:18:58
Speaker
you know, most people, most of us, including me, subject ourselves to, to one idea set or one value set. And this podcast is probably an example of how I do that. Um, and so maybe it's also showing me where I should broaden my perspective, but I think we need, you know, more, more of the holistic perspective, which is what prompted me to start it. But I, I think to me, anger also represents, um,
00:19:26
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You can ignore your anger and not change, but you can use anger as an impetus to change. As another, I guess, imagined example, if someone's constantly
00:19:40
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provoking you or poking you and taunting you, you can use that anger and you can make it known that you don't appreciate what that person is doing and then hopefully promote change in a healthy way or you can ignore what that person is doing and say, well, I choose not to experience anger because it's a negative emotion and you can experience what happens to you when you suppress your anger.
00:20:08
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, using that example where someone's crossing your boundaries, I personally think anger can be used quite effectively for that. You know, that can help you set boundaries, whether it doesn't mean you have to act out violently. It's just about, OK, so this is making me angry. Maybe you got to set a boundary here. That could be as simple as not calling someone back, you know.
00:20:28
Speaker
So so the anger can be great for setting boundaries. And then as it happens, setting boundaries, I personally think is a great act of self love. So when you're putting yourself first, and setting a good boundary, then you're saying, Yeah, I am actually worth it.
00:20:45
Speaker
So that's another example of anger, I think can be used constructively, where it can be used destructively is basically, you know, abusing everybody, and creating a lot of distance and separation from yourself and everyone else. That's where it can be destructive. So I think there's just a matter of people really trying to learn to use that anger to the best of their ability.
Emotional Polarity & Growth
00:21:14
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Yeah, and what you're saying and what we're both talking about is experiencing the whole spectrum of emotion. And I think there's, I experienced, I guess, the feeling and the wants to only experience positive emotions. And it's important for me to sometimes check in with someone like you or to sometimes remind myself even that experiencing negative emotions is part of
00:21:39
Speaker
being a human being, right? How can you be a human being if you're, if you're not experiencing the whole spectrum? Um, yeah. Okay. Far away. Far away. So I was going to say, speaking of, uh, of Gabbo, I remember watching a recent video of him when he's most recent came out and he was talking about someone who's probably quite an angry man and that's Jordan Peterson. And
00:22:05
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Jordan Peterson often talks about integrating the shadow and how he's using the monster with him or the angry person within him to create change and standing up and creating his own boundaries.
00:22:22
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Um, and so Gabel Marte had a little bit of a different perspective on that. And he was kind of saying, you know, calling Jordan Peterson out and saying, why are you so angry? And so I guess that's different takes on it. That's, that's one perspective. Um, but maybe, maybe Jordan Peterson is too angry about certain things. Maybe he does hold on to anger.
00:22:42
Speaker
Well, it's up to you to decide that or not. I personally think if he had no anger at all, we wouldn't even know who he is. That's very true. Yeah, so if his anger is a massive driver for him, he hates seeing certain things in this planet, hates and is very angry. I can clearly see that. And that's one of his main drivers. And really interesting, he's very vulnerable with his emotions, which is great and a great example.
00:23:12
Speaker
What I've observed with people is that they will bounce between anger, anger, anger, and then they will go down to sadness and then back into anger and the anger and sadness can bounce quite a lot. But I personally think, you know, it's, it's one of his best assets. I don't know how he is mentally, emotionally.
00:23:32
Speaker
I never spoke to him, but at the moment I can see it being an excellent driver. I heard an interview with, it was his latest Rogan podcast actually, it was a few months ago now, and he's even talking about starting an alternate
00:23:48
Speaker
I don't know if he called an alternative association to the WEF, or it was kind of like the World Economic Forum, or some kind of association that he feels has a better value system. And that is being produced purely out of anger, because he was talking about how much he's angry at that organization, how he wants to start his own. So I personally think if he had no anger, and this goes for anyone, what would they create?
00:24:15
Speaker
I'll go slightly more controversial and say I personally think someone like Donald Trump thrives on anger, you know, you know, and I even think when people when people and journalists throw anger at him, I actually think they're feeding his fire. He's like, all right, what do you got? Let's go. So I personally think he's quite a good user of anger, whether you agree with his political stances or the way he acts or so forth.
00:24:42
Speaker
I personally see him operating on a lot of anger as well. So, you know, I see a lot of sports stars operating on anger. I don't see them really operating out of a place of peace, in all honesty. I see a lot of musicians operating sort of from a lot of, you know, the so called negative emotions. That's where they produce their best stuff. So in my view, I think it's it's ideal to actually have a balance. So
00:25:12
Speaker
And the polarity, so think about emotions being in polarity. So we've kind of got our, let's just say happy and sad, like two very easy polarity emotions, right? Like pretty non-controversial. So sad is on one end, happy is on the other end. So that's in polarity. Now think about it. I think as far as I'm aware, everything on the planet works in polarity, even to an atom level, you know? Because you've got like the atom, you've got the electron and the proton.
00:25:41
Speaker
And the polarity allows movement. So like, you know, and we know that the whole world works in a little bit of vibration. So we need the happiness and the sadness to work in polarity to create the movement. Does that make sense? So yeah, it does. It
00:26:00
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that you couldn't have the experience of happiness without sadness. You couldn't have the experience of peace without turmoil. And so what you're saying is that you need the polarity to have a human experience.
00:26:12
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And you need the polarity to move. So let's just say you're in sadness and you want to move towards happiness. Bang, there's your movement. Now, let's just say you're in happiness for quite a long time. For a lot of people, that means no movement at all. And then they go back into sadness. So you actually need to have that polarity to move. Does that make sense now? Hopefully, I've explained my perspective. Yeah, it does. It does. It does. Certainly.
00:26:37
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Yeah, so so that's why. So people can get stuck in like the just the permanent anger and permanent sadness, personally, and look, I do the same. Like I'll freely admit that, you know, we're all a work in progress. So yeah, we're all a work in progress. So personally, I think it's ideal to work towards the balance. And that is a work in progress, I think, for a lifetime.
Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT)
00:27:05
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Yeah, one of the things that, and this is a topic I want to lead into with you because I think it's your specialty and I think it's where a lot of your expertise lies and that's in tapping or emotional freedom technique. And one of, I guess the greatest things that tapping did for me when I first started implementing it was that I felt I was able to feel a lot of anger and probably a lot of sadness that I had.
00:27:36
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Again, one of my personal things that I'm always working on is...
00:27:41
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I like to present a positive image of myself or, you know, I've had the comment before that, you know, everyone sees you as, or you like to present yourself as this person with no problems or whatever it is, you know, things don't bother you very much and, you know, it's been difficult for me sometimes to let people see behind the scenes. And so what EFT first showed me was,
00:28:07
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And we'll walk through the process of EFT as well to demonstrate a little bit, but it was like this, this time where I was like, Oh, I have this anger and this is where I feel it in my body. And this is why I'm angry. Um, and all of a sudden actually, you know, looking behind the scenes myself, it was suddenly just this, this feeling of relaxation and this feeling of calmness, because finally I
00:28:35
Speaker
Maybe not accepted, but I just was able to look at what was happening within me. Yeah. Yeah, cool. Cool. Okay. So a little bit of an explanation around the tapping. So AKA the emotional freedom technique or EFT. So it's been around around about, I think about 40 years. And what it essentially is for people that are listening is that
00:28:59
Speaker
We tap certain acupressure points. Okay, so just tapping certain acupressure points and we're talking about You know our emotions our thoughts our memories now what what's behind that concept? Why do that? Well in Chinese medicine, it's thought that emotions And thoughts are actually can get locked into our acupressure points. Okay, so
00:29:24
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So then you might say well, you know, that sounds a bit woo-woo and I thought the same thing as well. I do great. Yeah. So, you know, the science is starting to catch up and we now know that they're probably meridians. So meridians are
00:29:44
Speaker
the energy paths throughout the body. So 12 main meridians going through the body, okay? And they're different energy paths. And within these meridians going all through the body, there's acupressure points, okay? Now, what we can see in the science is that when we inject dye into people's bodies, it starts to go down certain meridian paths. And in Chinese medicine, these meridian paths have been known for thousands of years.
00:30:11
Speaker
That's the first thing. Second thing is, there's now over 100 clinical trials to show that tapping is quite effective, including clinical trials that have used sham acupressure points. So acupressure points that don't exist. And the results were nowhere near as good.
00:30:29
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Thirdly, there's now a system called the primovascular system, I believe it's called, where it's sort of saying, hey, look, this is basically like meridians here. So, so we're starting to see it work. I saw it work in practice probably before all the research came out. So I was like, all right, well, it seems to work like, you know, we may as well give this a go.
00:30:50
Speaker
And now there's over 100 clinical trials, which is awesome. So the research is being pioneered by a lady based here in Queensland called Dr. Peter Stapleton. She's an associate professor at Bond University, and she's just doing an excellent job of just really churning out the research. I think she's the head of all of it. So there's a board, and I think she's the chairperson of the board, the research board. So on tapping.
00:31:15
Speaker
So what is it? So you mentioned the word before acceptance and I'd actually say that was a pretty good word because it does help you accept, fully accept and fully realize exactly what's going on in your body.
00:31:31
Speaker
That's all it really is. And, you know, you can go into deeper levels and that, but it's just really accepting, hey, I'm feeling a lot of anger right now. I'm feeling a lot of hate right now. You know, and it can help you process those thoughts and emotions. So that that's what it is in a nutshell. I've also seen it to be extremely effective for like PTSD and food cravings. But yeah, I think we have very cool.
00:31:58
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I think we both had some benefit out of the tapping. It was probably my first experience into proper emotional healing because I was, you know, you know, really bad with my emotions prior to that. It's just a male thing to be like, well,
00:32:17
Speaker
you know, emotion, we kind of, I kind of still think of emotions as a feminine thing. And so if you display emotion, or if you're overcome by emotion, if your emotions affect you as a male, then you're not really a man, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So what you kind of didn't realize is happening is that when you're repressing those emotions or letting them influence you from a place of unconsciousness,
00:32:45
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they're running the show behind the scenes.
00:32:49
Speaker
spot on. Yeah, exactly spot on. So let's just say, you know, you're feeling, you know, you had a breakup, a bad breakup, and you're feeling angry at a woman, right? Like, let's just say she even like cheated on you. Let's just an example, right? So, so now all of a sudden, you don't trust women, but you're like, I was just her, you know, whatever, I'll meet someone else. But then all of a sudden, you might have this subconscious like, you know, I can't trust any women, you know, and then, and then it's like just running your whole
00:33:16
Speaker
all your patterns around, well, you know, should I ever, you know, engage intimately with another woman again? Or do I need to I want to have another relationship? And it's just running all subconsciously and literally running your day to day decisions.
Self-awareness & Emotions
00:33:28
Speaker
So this kind of exploration, what it comes down to is increasing your levels of self awareness, and then ideally making better decisions and making decisions that are so I think what ultimately happens
00:33:44
Speaker
Sorry to cut you off there. I think what, what ends up happening to go back to your example is that when say you've been in that example where you've been hurt by someone in a relationship.
00:33:56
Speaker
If you're a male or anyone for that matter who represses that emotion and tells yourself that you're not feeling that, then the story in your own mind becomes something distorted or something different. And so you might begin to tell yourself that the reason that you're avoiding relationships is because you want to work on your career or that there's just the right person for you doesn't exist.
00:34:21
Speaker
And you know, you're, you're, you're making up these stories. Um, and these stories are the truest thing to you because they're literally the words that you're, you're telling yourself. Um, they're, they're what your reality, right? And so your reality becomes distorted. Um, and it's all because you were refusing to look at this, this hurt that exists within you, because what you think of that hurt is that it's a feminine to experience it or that it makes you non manly.
00:34:51
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So so it can run your decisions, it can run your thought process can run your actions. So yeah, like I said, it's just about really increasing levels of self awareness, which can help you make better decisions. So let's go let's go a little bit into the self awareness thing. So
00:35:11
Speaker
And you know, we use that dating experience and we sort of sort of, you know, we've talked about that. I'll now talk more about like exposure. Okay, so I'm not sure about your journey. But when I first doing started doing this kind of stuff like podcasting and social media used to hate it.
00:35:27
Speaker
fuck, I used to hate it. So I was like, I don't want to do this. You know, I might get criticized, you know, people won't like me. You know, I don't want to be seen, all that kind of stuff, right? So, so, you know, having the self awareness that these patterns are coming up, and then when we start to, you know, taking action is one of the best steps you can take to break through a pattern, by the way. So taking action, like, all right, well, I've got to start exposing myself here.
00:35:56
Speaker
Now I'm not sure about you, but you know, that pattern is now lifted quite a lot. It's quite a bit lighter, like I don't feel the same pressure I used to. I can't say that I don't feel nervous at all. But it's definitely lifted in the pattern is kind of broken through a little bit. So I guess my point is accepting everything that's happening.
00:36:16
Speaker
to, you know, help with self awareness and better your decisions is a great step forward. Another step forward can also be cool, being self aware of what's happening, and then taking the necessary action to help really move through that, that pattern that you've got. Let's take people through the process of tapping a little bit, because I guess we've kind of talked about the benefits of it. But let's talk about how
00:36:44
Speaker
You know, when, when you're tapping on a particular issue, for example, say, uh, we go back to that, uh, hurt in your life. So what's happening with asking to do, and maybe you can take over for me if I get this wrong, but say I've been hurt in relationship, then you say, well, what's the primary emotion associated with that? And I would say maybe anger is the example. And so the next thing you would say to me is whereabouts in your body. Do you feel that? And all of a sudden you say, well,
00:37:13
Speaker
That's the first time I've ever identified the fact that I can feel an emotion in my body in a particular place. And so maybe it's around your abdomen or your chest and then you're describing the feeling and what it feels like. Maybe it feels tight and then you're giving that a subjective rating out of 10. So say the anger is quite strong and so you would rate that 8 out of 10. And then so all of a sudden I've got
00:37:42
Speaker
anger in my chest that feels constricting. And so now I've got something to work with.
00:37:49
Speaker
Yeah, so that that's something you that's one technique you can do with tapping. And I would say that would actually vary depending on the individual. So some individuals are really good at identifying their emotions. Like, you know, I've been doing this work full time for seven years, like, you know, health coaching, essentially, PT slash health coaching. So and I can tell you right now that I've even got, you know, clients that are fairly new with me that are better at identifying emotions in their body than I am.
00:38:18
Speaker
you know, so, so some people actually, yeah, some people are very in tune, they'll just say, I feel shame in my hip, or you know, that which is pretty common, like shame is a very common one to be held around that sort of sexual organ area. And that's what you know, that's just what people will tell me, you know, anxiety in the gut, you know, sadness and grief in the chest, you know, these are just the common ones that come up.
00:38:44
Speaker
So yeah, so some people are very good at identifying it. And some people just aren't, you know, I'm not sure about you, but I was really bad at it at the start. It's something that I've had to work out quite a lot. And something I still need to work out to be honest with you. Yeah. And I know you've yeah, about
00:39:02
Speaker
Yeah, I know you spoke to me about, you know, certain tightness in your body, you're just like, yeah, this tightness just ain't shifting. And you know, I know when I've done deep emotional work, sometimes I get a release, or sometimes I'll get a message, you know, so I'll give you an example. So I did
00:39:24
Speaker
I had a sore knee for about a year-ish. It was a few years ago. I remember that. Yeah, got scans and all that kind of stuff. I got scans, you know, saw some good physios, saw a massage therapist or kinesiologist or acupuncture, you know, you name it, right. So from memory is some patella tendinitis in my right leg. So so just some flare up of the tendon and some bursitis. Okay.
00:39:51
Speaker
Now, what I did in in with assistance from a therapist slash mentor is just meditated on the emotions in that knee. And it honestly just released off. I actually started bawling my eyes out. Wow.
00:40:09
Speaker
And I hadn't played basketball for about a year and I was back on the court almost immediately, you know, doing weights, playing ball, whereas before I could barely, you know, I couldn't walk up or downhill without pain, you know, so that that's one example of great emotions, emotions are caught in the in the in the tissue. And that's a release. I've got that on video, you know, I've seen it, you know, I've watched it probably five times. And I know how my knee felt before and afterwards.
00:40:36
Speaker
And just to let you know, the advice I was getting at that point was you need to get injections now. And I was like, I didn't get injections. I'd rather just I think there's something emotional. So so that that's one example. Another example would be and I know you feel a bit of tightness in your neck is what you've told me.
Linking Physical Symptoms to Emotions
00:40:56
Speaker
Another example would be I feel tightness in my neck sometimes. Now the tightness in my neck
00:41:02
Speaker
definitely flares up when I go through a financial challenge. And then it gets a bit looser if I have a better week financially or a better month financially. So the tightness in my neck, I don't think will be healed with accepting all the emotions. I think it's there to teach me a lesson.
00:41:20
Speaker
Does that make sense? So yeah, like, cool. If you don't, if you don't get your shit together, you're gonna get a really tight neck, we're gonna start talking here. And you got to get you got to get your act together. And then, like, I even noticed now, like, this week's actually been a pretty good week. You know, pretty full book of clients, and it's like, okay, cool, it's actually feeling quite good. And I can I can use my shoulder a lot more in the gym. So I guess my point is, in short, that
00:41:46
Speaker
you know, their emotions that are caught in tissue, when we accept the emotions, sometimes they can actually like lead to quite a, quite quite a lot of relief. And sometimes it's there to actually teach us a lesson. So so yeah, you can work with it. I remember
00:42:03
Speaker
When we did HLC2 in Sydney, I was on the verge of quitting my job managing farms and I'd also just gone through a breakup with the girl I'd been dating for about six months. And so this happened the week before that breakup and I remember
00:42:21
Speaker
probably from the first day to the, I think that was a five day course sitting in that class and just feeling like aching between my shoulder blades the entire time. And it's, you know, I, the first thing I thought was this is a postural thing. And, you know, you're sitting down all day and you're, you know, you're, you're going through 10 hour days and, and, you know, learning all this information, but it was just like this. I was constantly having to adjust my posture and change the way I was sitting. And, you know, I'm thinking.
00:42:49
Speaker
I'm sitting around all these people who know a lot about posture, so that's probably got to be the problem, right?
00:42:54
Speaker
And to me, that was definitely something that was more mental, emotional than postural. And, you know, I'm sitting here right now and I can, I can sit for hours and listen to someone speak without having pain between my shoulder blades. So yeah, I've experienced the same thing. And I think the science is starting to support that, you know, look at Gerald Pollock's work on the fourth phase of water and more of these people who are talking about
00:43:19
Speaker
uh, fascia and the water networks in the body and how the tissue actually stores emotion and the tissue stores memory as well. People think memory stored, uh, in the brain. And perhaps there's some truth to that, but I think there's also a merit to the idea that, um, for one, the posture is representative of our emotional state. Uh, and two, uh, like Matt Sorensen was saying the other day, the body hugs tension. And so,
00:43:47
Speaker
you know, the body is really a representation of your whole mental, emotional state.
00:43:55
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I agree. And it's it's the old saying the body doesn't lie, right? So it's just literally an exact, you know, what you've got is how you treat yourself and what's going on mentally and emotionally. Now, some people definitely have it harder than others. You know, I've worked with people I've worked with some very disciplined people that that
00:44:19
Speaker
you know, struggle to get the body and the health that they want. But some people, you know, that could be a psychological thing. And that can just be, you know, we've all got our own journey that we have to work through. You know, some people it's just harder than other people to, to heal certain things, you know, and some people have to be quite disciplined. Yeah, yeah, so it's interesting.
00:44:41
Speaker
It's, there's also, I've heard referenced a few times, a book by a, I think he's a PhD physiotherapist or some sort of doctor in the US and his name is Joel Izzano. You can look up his book, I can't remember the name of it. He's the author.
00:44:59
Speaker
And he's an expert on back pain. And essentially what he says in this book, I don't know whether it's healing back pain or something like that, that 90% of the patients that he'd worked with actually had mental and emotional issues at the root cause of their back pain.
00:45:17
Speaker
You know, he was starting at the level of the physical and not seeing results. And so when he started to address people's mental and emotional states, maybe through firstly referring them to a psychologist or maybe learning the psychology himself, he started to get much more with people's back pain.
00:45:35
Speaker
Yeah, well, it's interesting. And I think you mentioned that to me once in a casual conversation. And I, it's an interesting bit of research. But let's just take some postural examples, okay, that are pretty, pretty obvious. So, so let's just say someone's really hunched over like this, you know, that, that for me would show quite a bit of despondency, depression, potentially trying to protect their heart,
00:46:01
Speaker
those kind of things. And you can see those kind of postures everywhere, you know, where people are like hunched down like this. That would be the most common one. Sawbacks, yeah, like lower sawbacks, metaphysically, they're linked with, you know, feeling like there's no support or lack of support or, you know, financial instability. So they're the main common ones around back pain.
00:46:28
Speaker
Yeah, so there's there's some books out there that will link certain thoughts and emotions to specific health conditions. But I would say that it's ideal to sort of really work with the individual. So those books can be a great guide, but not necessarily like, you know, a Bible as such.
00:46:54
Speaker
Yeah, and I think all of those things are meant to be resources rather than, you know, necessarily something that we say is completely true. You know, one of the things that I like about... Paul Chex says this and other good teachers who I tend to listen to say this as well.
00:47:14
Speaker
One of the things they say is don't believe a word I say, practice it for yourself. And if it's not true, then you know, it's not true, but you know, first practice it on yourself. Don't just believe because I'm an expert or that it's published in a book or a Bible or whatever it is that it's, it's the word of God. It's the, it's the truth.
00:47:36
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, for sure. 100%. There's a lot of experts out there. And, you know, everyone's got their own biases as well. So and you know, we know how algorithm works in social media as well. So once you go down a certain bias path, like, you know, you'll get really entrenched in that. So for sure, try yourself, see if it works. Try it with other people, if you're in the coaching business, see if that works. And then and then you can start to form an opinion.
00:48:04
Speaker
But yeah, just because someone's an expert, it might work for them, it might work for their clientele that they attract, but it doesn't necessarily mean it actually works. There's people that, you know, there's certain diets I've read and books that I've read that have been extremely convincing. I'm like, this is the diet for me, you know, and then I've actually tried it and it didn't work at all. So so, you know, we are all individuals. And, and yeah, not not ideal to use that cookie cutter approach.
00:48:34
Speaker
No. Can you give me any examples of, and I might be putting you on the spot here, but have you got any real examples of clients who you had some major breakthroughs with?
Client Success Stories
00:48:45
Speaker
Um, mentally, emotionally, do you mean? Yeah, or in any part of your work.
00:48:51
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah, well, I mean, that's, that's sort of sort of what I do. And everyone, you know, you never really know when the big breakthrough is going to come, to be honest with some people. You know, I work predominantly in, in mental health, body shape, gut health, and, and autoimmune conditions. You know, in terms of
00:49:13
Speaker
mental health, you know, we've dived into that a fair bit in terms of body shape, you know, some people will get great results, some people will get very slow results. And that can be a stress based issue. You know, there's a lady that I remember I worked with, she came to me in her late 60s. And she'd actually always, you know, by her own accord and always, you know, sort of struggle with her weight.
00:49:38
Speaker
And what we did, you know, we did make some nutritional tweaks, I don't think we made massive nutritional tweaks. But we did, you know, the tapping, I lean on another modality called sacred geometry, we did mainly those two, and you know, obviously talk therapy, over about a year or two, I think it's about two years, she lost about 20 kilograms in two years. And that's like literally
00:50:03
Speaker
Oh, wow. No nutritional tweaking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was just purely on the mental emotional side. And I even think part of it was, you know, she'd had some experiences with previous partners, which which she had some
00:50:18
Speaker
you know, some memories around. And I think just working with another male like myself helped her just trust, oh, look, you know, there are some, you know, good, good men out there. So, and you know, it's very important that situation for someone like myself to sort of stick with as much integrity as possible. So that's one example in the body shape where it's like, I thought it was at least 80% mental, emotional, losing 20 kilograms working on that.
00:50:47
Speaker
And then there's been many others, to be honest, around, you know, gut health can be quite quick, you know, with nutritional tweaks or working on anxiety or certain emotions. Autoimmune depends on the condition, to be honest, I find sort of the thyroid based ones, for whatever reason, a little bit easier to work with, and, and they seem to be able to correct themselves. But some of the other ones can be a little bit harder.
00:51:15
Speaker
Okay, what is it specifically about the thyroid, do you think? Well, I've worked with people that
00:51:25
Speaker
that have come to me fairly early in the piece. And, you know, I early on, I actually worked with a client that that had Hashimoto's that ended up like only work with her for a few sessions, and then she ended up getting quite sick about a year or two later. And so that experience has now really made me
00:51:48
Speaker
be a lot more diligent and spark up and be a lot more forthright. When I've come to work with people with thyroid, I'm like, No, I need to get this right. And you need to do what I say, because I've seen this go a different direction, you know, so. So I think it's just a bit of a past experience kicking in. And also with the thyroid.
00:52:09
Speaker
There's a very common theme around you know communication and communicating your truth and creativity with thyroid. So it's just really around
00:52:22
Speaker
you know, teaching people to set good boundaries. What I've found with people with thyroid is they're normally very nice by nature. So they're very nice and they build up a lot inside. So too nice for their own good. It's a facade of niceness as opposed to an authentic niceness.
00:52:43
Speaker
Yeah, well, the thing is, they're all very authentically nice. But there's just like, you know, they don't want to step on anyone's toes. And and I understand the terminology you're using. So I'm just conscious some people might be listening to this, because they're all really nice. But
00:53:00
Speaker
there's a lot bubbling underneath, they would rather be sick than have a difficult conversation with someone. So that has been a very consistent theme that I've seen with thyroid, which is why I've seen better results with that. Whereas something like a rheumatoid arthritis,
00:53:21
Speaker
definitely seen improvements with like lifestyle and nutrition. But then also with rheumatoid arthritis, people there have a lot of built up negative emotion that they really need to use to help move as well. And that one can be a little bit tougher because it's it actually requires
00:53:40
Speaker
a fair bit of change. So and I and I've seen a little bit of I've seen people with RA improve. I can't say I've seen them at this point completely heal, although I personally think it's you know, I'm just I'm just a very much an optimist when it comes to healing. So I personally think it's possible.
00:53:59
Speaker
Um, one of the things that, uh, a mentor of mine made me really aware of, and that was Joe Russian was we talked about this concept of accepting before and what she made me aware of was the, um,
00:54:15
Speaker
We often think that accepting means that we have to like it. When I've accepted something, then I'll finally like it, or it's okay with me once I've accepted it. And that's not what the word acceptance means when we're referring to it, at least in my understanding. To love something, and I guess we're talking about, I hear the word, the difference between the word love and like. And so the example that I like to give is that
00:54:45
Speaker
You love your children, but you don't necessarily like them all the time. You might like them for the most part, but if your kid's being a pain in the ass and they're having a temper tantrum, then you're not going to like them in the moment, but you're still going to love that child by doing what you need to do to support them.
00:55:06
Speaker
when you're accepting whatever it is in yourself that you're having difficulty with, you're not necessarily liking it, but you're loving it. And so you're beginning to change it by loving it, not necessarily liking it. Yeah. Yeah. So I personally think the acceptance is a fantastic tool to accept what's going on.
00:55:32
Speaker
But it can also be the hardest thing to do. So let's let's use the example of anger that we used, you know, earlier. So let's just say we really accept that we're angry at certain things, and then that will help us instigate change. Now, let's just say we don't accept the anger, then that may come out in
00:55:52
Speaker
snapping at other people, you know, snapping at your partner or snapping at friends and family or launching into political debates at the dinner table or whatever it might be, you know, and some of these conflicts are necessary. But, you know, I'm talking about in a destructive manner. So so accepting emotions is a great place to start or accepting where you're at is a great place to start doesn't mean you don't have to actually like it. But at least accepting where you're at is a good place. Mm hmm. Yeah, very cool.
00:56:23
Speaker
Where do you see your career heading in the future? Where do your interests mostly lie?
00:56:29
Speaker
Yeah, thanks for asking. Look, I personally love what I do. Most of the work I do is online health coaching. And I just want to continue to grow that. And what I really want to do the next step is start to go a little bit more macro. So I've done a few public talks and I've got another public talk coming up at my first corporate in about three weeks. So I'm pretty excited about that. Congratulations.
00:56:58
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty excited about that. So um, so yeah, continue doing the one on one work, which I love, and then also now starting to do more public talks is what I'd really love to do as well.
Future Plans in Health Coaching
00:57:12
Speaker
So, you know, I've been working with people one on one for seven years. So now I feel pretty confident to start sharing the information at a bit more of a macro level.
00:57:24
Speaker
I think one of the things that I would like to touch on with you that we haven't touched on yet before we wrap it up is you do functional diagnostics nutrition, right? So you essentially are doing a piece of functional medicine in that where people can get hormonal testing and all sorts of things, right?
00:57:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so I've got an arrangement with a couple of different labs here in here in Australia. So one in Melbourne, one in Brisbane, where look at sort of, you know, different hormonal patterns, you know, the microbiome, like in terms of like gut health, you know, food sensitivity tests, you know, heavy metal tests, and they can provide a great insight. Now,
00:58:13
Speaker
I never know how to work with it with clients. But what I normally try and do is, hey, look, let's try and build up your foundational health as best as we can first. And then we do the labs if we need a little bit more. If we need to go the step further. You know, there's different protocols, some people will do the labs straight away. But I personally think that if someone's, you know, sleeping like crap, eating like crap, drinking like crap, then
00:58:38
Speaker
then the labs aren't going to be good. And then we need to try and change the behavior after that. So that's generally what I try and do with most people. If some people are like, hey, look, I just want the lab results as soon as possible. Cool. There's no problem in running them.
00:58:56
Speaker
or if someone's presenting pretty good health patterns, then it's like, cool, we run them pretty early. But they can provide some great insights into what's going on.
00:59:11
Speaker
you know, you know, I can recommend supplementation to help bring the body into balance. And there's also some interesting things in there, you know, so I've run, you know, the cortisol rhythm test quite a few times with people. And it's really interesting. So this is just my own observation. I have I have, you know, this is just anecdotal, where
00:59:32
Speaker
I can see cortisol pumping really, really high, normally in people that I observe to be running on pretty high anxiety or anger. Okay, that's just that's just my observation. So cortisol can pump pretty high. When someone is working more through depression, and sadness, I'll generally see that go a little bit more on a low scale.
00:59:55
Speaker
And, you know, and there's a little bit more to it as well, like they may be going through exhaustion, as example, as well, they may be gone through adrenal exhaustion, where they're just literally burnt out. So, so there's a few different layers to it. But this is just my general observation. So with the lab tests, I consider the physical, which would be cool, you know, that person could really benefit from specific supplementation. But also what's going on with the psyche, and that's a lot more easier to quantify.
01:00:23
Speaker
definitely around the hormonal tests. But yeah, it's a good little add-on to have. Not always necessary, but a good little add-on.
01:00:34
Speaker
Yeah, and I like the addition of the functional diagnostics nutrition side of things and the blood
Functional Diagnostics in Coaching
01:00:40
Speaker
testing. I mean, like you say, I think you exercise a level of integrity in that you don't want people to spend money unnecessarily. But I think what people get if you do deem it necessary and they decide to do that is you're adding layers into the level of investigation that you're doing for someone. So if you're noticing that someone's, you know,
01:01:04
Speaker
depressed, and then you add on the fact that they've got low levels of cortisol throughout the day when they should be fluctuating in the morning. You're kind of coming up with evidence and a map for people to return or restore their health.
01:01:23
Speaker
Yeah, I actually ran a cortisol rhythm test for for a gentleman about two or three years ago. And, you know, we were working on the nutritional side, the exercise side, supplementation, a little bit of the mental emotional work, not much really, because I just I just, you know, it, you know, he was quite
01:01:42
Speaker
you know, a man like typical man, basically. So I didn't think it was the right, you know, didn't feel was the right time to do it. And anyway, so we got the results of the cortisol rhythm test, which was, you know, extremely high, actually, the cortisol was pumping extremely high. And based on that, he actually started breaking down and telling me all these stresses, you know, so just to see it based on like, Oh, wow, I'm
01:02:06
Speaker
stressed. And then it was just like this emotional reaction, which was awesome. Like I absolutely loved it to come from a guy who was a pretty alpha male, actually. So and successful business owner. So so it can bring some good awareness to people as well of you know, how am I going about things?
01:02:26
Speaker
And that's the difference in people as well. You know, some people like, some people need to see a diagnosis or they need physical evidence. And then all of a sudden it's like, that's, that's the reason why I'm feeling the way I do. And all of a sudden the barriers come down and that's what we experienced. And then there's the opposite side of the spectrum, which I would say other people
01:02:46
Speaker
Um, you know, maybe, maybe it's a 50 50 thing where some people just, they don't care for the diagnosis. They don't need it. And they, you know, they, they just want to feel better.
01:02:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's definitely an art versus science. Some people crave it and some people don't. And you're in the coaching industry. It's art versus science big time. I'm sure when you first meet a client, if you just said, yeah, all organic food, exercising every day, they'd probably run off. So it's just about, yeah.
01:03:20
Speaker
Yeah, just just just working with the person as best as possible. And I actually think that's the most that's some of the most fun part for me. Very cool. Where can people find you Mark?
01:03:42
Speaker
Yeah, so I've got a website, www.markviridimos.com. I've got an Instagram of that name. So Mark Viridimos and I've got a Facebook. So you can just add me as a friend or you can like my business page, which is markviridimos-holistic health practitioner. Very cool.
01:04:05
Speaker
From what I've seen and I've known Mark for a few years now, like I said, Mark is very good at what he does and he gets some great results with his clients. And I've seen it firsthand. So, you know, I'd always be happy to refer a client to Mark and anyone who's looking to work with someone, I think Mark is a great practitioner. So thanks for joining me today, Mark. And thanks for your friendship. It's always great to chat with you.
01:04:30
Speaker
Yeah, thanks, Nick. Been awesome to be on and really glad you're on your own podcast. Actually, it's really awesome. I know you've, I know you listen to a few different podcasts and, you know, and already you've got some great guests on here. So, so yeah, awesome. You know, keep up the good work. Thanks, Mark.