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#109: Charlotte Melki: Letting go of ego and rewiring your mind with cognitive hypnotherapy
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In this episode of The Kate Hamilton Health Podcast, I sit down with Charlotte Melki - a cognitive hypnotherapist, NLP practitioner, and performance coach - to explore how we can break free from self-doubt, imposter syndrome, and limiting beliefs.
Charlotte shares her journey from high-pressure marketing roles to discovering the power of cognitive hypnotherapy, blending neuroscience-backed techniques to help others transform their mindset.
We chat about the differences between the brain and the mind, the role of ego in shaping our identity, and how subconscious beliefs drive our behaviors. Charlotte also unpacks the connection between emotional needs, binge eating, and self-sabotage, offering practical, science-driven strategies to create lasting change.
If you're ready to rewire your thoughts, challenge limiting beliefs, and step into your true self, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to miss!
Episode Highlights:
[00:00] – Welcome to the podcast & introducing Charlotte Melki
[02:18] – Charlotte’s journey from marketing to cognitive hypnotherapy
[05:27] – Brain vs. mind: What’s the difference?
[06:55] – Understanding ego, the self, and how they shape identity
[13:07] – How childhood experiences influence ego development
[15:57] – The power of thoughts and feelings in shaping behavior
[23:24] – Overcoming binge eating & emotional triggers
[28:17] – Recognizing physical vs. emotional discomfort
[30:42] – How to create space between thoughts & reactions
[32:26] – Understanding emotional needs & breaking self-sabotage
[37:19] – The surprising benefits of boredom & mindfulness
[41:24] – How to reconnect with your true self
[48:43] – How cognitive hypnotherapy & NLP can rewire limiting beliefs
Links & Resources:
- Connect with Charlotte on Instagram here
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Transcript
Introduction to Charlotte Melke
00:00:08
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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Kate Hamilton Health Podcast. So in today's episode, I chat with cognitive hypnotherapist, NLP practitioner and performance coach Charlotte Melke.
00:00:21
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Charlotte is a London-based cognitive hypnotherapist and performance coach, and she's passionate about helping professionals break free from self-doubt, imposter syndrome and limiting
Transition to Cognitive Hypnotherapy
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beliefs.
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With the background in neuroscience and over a decade in high pressure marketing roles, she understands firsthand the toll that stress and burnout can take. So she really knows this firsthand.
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Her own journey through these challenges led her back towards the brain, not quite to neuroscience, but to cognitive hypnotherapy, where she transformed her mindset and redefined her path and now helps others to do the same.
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By combining cognitive hypnotherapy, and NLP, which is Neuro Linguistic Programming, and performance coaching with neuroscience backed techniques, Charlotte creates a tailored solution focused approach to personal growth.
00:01:09
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So it isn't about swinging pendulums or outdated hypnosis myths. This isn't like a hypnotist. This is about practical science driven methods that empower you to take control of your thoughts, emotions and your future.
Understanding Thoughts and Habits
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We have the most amazing conversation. I know Charlotte both personally and professionally now, and we've worked together for almost a year and I can confirm that she is absolutely amazing. We have the most amazing conversation as always based around our thoughts and how we don't actually have to believe everything that we think and the whole nature of thought in general.
00:01:42
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We talk about automatic habits. We talk about self-sabotaging behaviours. We talk about the self versus the ego. We talk about cognitive hypnotherapy and we talk about neuro linguistic programming.
00:01:53
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I just know you're going to absolutely love this episode and it is going to change your view on weight loss and habit formation forever.
00:02:03
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Charlotte, welcome to the podcast. Thank you, Kate. Thank you for having me. I'm so glad that you agreed to come on. I'm so excited. This is going to be such an amazing conversation. I know that because we talk all the time and I'm just so excited for other people to be able to hear the kind of things that we often talk about.
00:02:18
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First of all, I suppose, would do you like to introduce yourself, give a little bit of background of what you're about, what you do now and kind of what has led you to to where you are today? Yeah, sure. So I am a cognitive hypnotherapist, coach, NLP practitioner, and I've got a background in neuroscience.
00:02:36
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So I use kind of a mix of all of these things, particularly the hypnotherapy, the coaching, performance coaching, and my background in neuroscience to help people, and I've specialized particularly with women,
00:02:48
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ah reaching their goals from a place of joy, from a place of ease. That's kind of the thing that I try to help people to get to their goals without it feeling like they need motivation, need to force anything.
00:03:00
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So that's kind of what I do. And that's how we know each other, obviously. And then in terms of background, I've got a very quite like a eclectic background, if I could say so. Obviously, I studied neuroscience and I have a master's degree in that.
00:03:12
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So that was back when I was in France. And then I did a master degree in business and marketing. And then I worked for 10 years actually in marketing for some of the biggest brands in the wine and spirits industry, such as Absolute Vodka, Havana Club, Jack Daniels, all that stuff. which was very fun and very intense and led me to a complete burnout.
00:03:36
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And so following that, i started to reconsider a little bit what I really wanted to do, started to work to go to myself, experience cognitive hypnotherapy through a friend of mine who started to help me with it.
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And then I just said, I know it clicked one day and I realized that i wanted to I wanted to go back to, it was quite interesting because I did a full
The Brain vs. The Mind
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circle, right? I started with the brain and then I went back to the brain, the mind really, not the brain, but the mind.
00:04:00
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And so I qualified to to do that, to become a hypnotherapist. And yeah, that's why I am now. That's amazing. and Because I literally was going, but like in my head was like, first question going ask you now is, why did you not pursue a career in neuroscience after?
00:04:14
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that degree? It wasn't quite right. So that's it. You know, like when I studied neuroscience, I knew i was interested in the brain and I've always been interested in how things work the way that they work. And I think you see that for my work, my clients, I'm always very keen to explain the science behind it. Like why is your brain reacting a certain way? Why is dopamine doing this to like all of this stuff? So it's always been something very, very important to me to understand because I think it's it's essentially how we grow and learn in life, right? When we understand how things work, that allows us to learn and to grow.
00:04:49
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And so I've always been really interested in how the mind works, but It wasn't quite that. Well, the brain, I thought it was the brain. It wasn't quite that. And really in France, I mean, I'm sure it's the same here. I don't know exactly where was, but like the financing, like it's difficult to work in that in that field. you You've got to do, it would have been research or teaching and I didn't want to do either.
00:05:09
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So that's really it. And it kind of left it it left it on the cliffhanger a little bit, being like, what's going to happen? And then I left it and it it was always on my mind. And then it came back around with that the hypnotherapy. Yeah.
00:05:22
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It's amazing. It was like literally that feeling aside, just being like this, something's not right. I'll just go down this path. Because like there is a huge difference, which I'm going to ask you about now, the difference between the brain and the mind, isn't there?
00:05:33
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Absolutely. The brain is the, if you you could see it as this way, the brain is the machine and the mind is the fuel, is the thoughts, it's the energy. It's the consciousness, it's it's the untangible aspect of the brain. right so and the go and And there's still so much that we don't know about it, that we don't know about the mind. There's still so much that we're still discovering. So understanding, if you think about just the principle of like just thoughts, what's a thought?
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It's not tangible. It's not something severe you can touch. It's not something you can demonstrate. The same thing goes with that perception, right? This idea that things are different from one person to another, but we can't really explain how it's different.
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That element of perception. All of this is unmeasurable, but also impossible to ignore and to say it is there. We know it's there. We just don't know yet how to prove it and how to explain it.
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That's even more fascinating than the brain. You know, it's so fascinating. And as you know, I'm learning so much more about this at the minute to the point that I find it quite difficult to talk about because I nearly get myself caught up and confused.
Exploring Ego and Self
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And some people listening will be hearing this for the first time and be like, I've never even thought about the fact that there's a difference between a brain and a mind.
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And I've never thought about my thoughts. And I was going to wait till later in our conversation, but I think we might as well go into it now that we're here. It brings us to the whole concept of the ego and the self, doesn't it? And when you're saying, I've never thought about my thoughts, who's the you that's saying I've never thought about my thoughts?
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know are you How are your thoughts different to you? It's when you start asking these questions that it you end up going down the path of of the ego and self. I would even say what you're describing here, and I'm not an expert on it, so I can't really talk about it. actually and teaching myself a lot about that at the moment.
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You're talking about consciousness here. You're talking about the principle or the idea that there is a you, there is an nig right? That's the thing that differentiates us from AI, right? That differentiates us from machines, from animals, right? There's no sense of, well, as far as we know, there's no sense of consciousness.
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that we, that the the the one that we have. So, and from that space, that's when we develop then the ego, right? We develop that image of ourselves that we see, that we think that the world perceives.
00:07:55
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So the difference between the ego and the self, right? The self is the, who you are at the core, who you were born, your essence. So you can call it, to there's different ways of calling it, right? Depending on who you're talking to, depending on who I talk to at the I changed it a little bit, right? If I talk to someone who is very scientifically minded, I'll talk about instinct, right?
00:08:16
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I talk to someone is really spiritual, I was going to woo-woo. You would say your soul, or you could say your Universal energy or spirit. and edit Universal energy. yeah Someone really religious, you'd call it God. cold people would like That's what they refer to when they refer to God, right?
00:08:36
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I like to call it the wisdom. It's that little voice inside of you that just tells you in the moments where you feel really connected to yourself, these aha moments, these, oh, that makes sense. Oh, that's what I want to do, right?
00:08:49
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The moments are so clear to you. There's no other option. That's your wisdom. That's the you at the basic of all of it. And it's always there. And yeah then you've got the ego. And the ego is that version of you that you created from the beliefs that you gathered throughout your your childhood and your life, the learnings, your education, your conditioning, everything, every experience you ever had that created the learning, create the ego.
00:09:19
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And I like to see it as a little bit like a coat or costume that you put on to fit in the world, really. And it is very important, right? It's what allows us to stay alive because the biggest danger for human, for any animal really, is solitude, is to be excluded from the group because in nature it means death potentially.
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So the ego allows you to stay part of the group. Yeah. I'm going to just, ah from everything you said, I have it in my head, the kind of my understanding of it. And obviously this is from a very novice standpoint. So I'm a little bit woo woo. I'm getting more woo woo the older, I guess.
00:09:56
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So universal energy. And it and cannot be created or destroyed. Okay. Everything in our whole world, in our whole universe is made of energy. Okay. So when we are born, We are the purest form of ourselves to the point that like I was reading about, you know, like when a baby is waving its hands up and down and doesn't realize that it's theirs. Like, you know, there's a newborn baby or a small baby, up well small children up until the age of about seven are so pure. And I learned about this in education as well.
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You know, they're like little sponges until about the age of seven. And then what happens is and I think the misconception with ego then as well is that it's like, oh, it's this arrogant thing. It's not. It's our protection thing that we build so we can survive in the world, like you just said. So children start doing this when they go to school and they start and, you know, and depends on different people of different childhood traumas or, you know, everyone has people being mean to them, things that happen to them in life. And I feel like every time something happens to us in particular, as well as obviously our education and everything, but when things happen to us, we build these protection mechanisms for ourselves, which is our ego. And and I really do believe that we are on this planet to bring ourselves back to ourselves.
00:11:03
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And you see it because as people get older, they do get more connected back to themselves. And if you think about a newborn baby and a really elderly person, you you end up back but Don't give a shit about what other people think. Live by your rules.
00:11:17
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Be curious. That's exactly it. And it's it's what I try to teach my clients as well. you know and you You know this, right? It's like, we don't need to wait until you're a 95-year-old to be able to do these things.
00:11:29
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to just rediscover yourself, to go Exactly, to do it on the way. And like, I also really believe that if we can connect with ourselves, we can use our ego and our personality then to contribute to the world, to be like, this is where if you can connect in with that true self, which we're going talk more about now in a minute, I know, in that middle part between babyhood and elderly stage, if you can be like, how can I contribute to this world in a positive way?
00:11:53
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I think that that's really what life is all about. There we go. I've gotten real deep, 11 minutes in.
Insecurity and Self-Doubt
00:11:59
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I know, right? Just that. Just talking about like... That's what I like about. I haven't figured out.
00:12:05
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but I think we you made a really interesting point here. And i wanted to dance back on this because it's so important to understand that the ego isn't evil. The ego isn't bad. The thing that can go wrong for a lot of people, for a lot of us...
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And i've been ahve I've been there and a lot of people that have been there. It's not that we have an ego because we have to have an ego for all the reasons that you explained and I explained, which is like, it literally is, you need to be able to you need to be able to get into a ah room, scan the room, read the room,
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and adapt your behavior according to the room that you're in right? You may don't get kicked out. You don't come into a funeral with like balloons and stuff like like and that that would be terrible, right? That would be like, that would be really bad. That would be exclusion from the group, 100%.
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hundred percent Your ego allows you not to do that because your ego is going to tell you, hang on a second, you know how that works. This is what happens in this situation. People are sad. You need to be careful, dah, dah, dah, right? So it tells you all you should. That's what the ego is there for.
00:13:04
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So the ego is very important. Where we struggle is that, like you said, see exactly you said, as children, we develop the ego from the learnings that we take on. And this happens during what we call the formative years between between the age of three and nine.
00:13:21
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Happens a little bit during teenagehood, but mostly between the age of three and nine. Now, we are sponges, like you said, because we only know the self. We have no assumptions, no preconception, no judgment.
00:13:34
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Meaning we take on everything and we just make rules from them. We don't assume that we know everything. That's why we struggle learning when we're adults, because we assume too much, right?
00:13:45
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As children, we don't. We just take it all in. So we create these learnings and these beliefs and these values. Now, when we feel like we are growing in an environment that feels safe and we feel secured or within ourselves, we update these values and these beliefs as we grow older.
00:14:05
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Meaning your ego is still made of all these values and beliefs. But if you could imagine that pyramid like that with the the self at the bottom and the ego at the top, they follow each other, right?
00:14:18
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They follow each other as you grow. Now, what tends to happen is if we don't grow up in an environment where we feel safe for many reasons, right? It could be struggle with ah but parents arguing a lot or oh divorce.
00:14:32
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It could be anything, any sort of insecurity that we have. It could be very, very strong trauma as well, right? Like terrible trauma. It can be terrible trauma and it can be stuff like being bullied in school by other children as well, can't it? It's terrible for a child, by the way. That's the thing, right? Our sensitivity is so different and and we don't realize that as a dog, we're like, oh, that was nothing. It wasn't nothing. It probably wasn't nothing.
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So when that happens, what happens is because we don't feel safe to update the system, if you want, to update our learnings, we keep what we know as truth.
00:15:04
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So that means we keep living by the same... rules, values, and beliefs that we created when we were younger. That's when we struggle because in that situation, what happens is there suddenly is a split, if you will. Yeah, it's like a gap, isn't it? Like a gap between them. Yeah. yeah And this is where, and I see this all the time, people coming to see me and saying, I don't know who I am.
00:15:26
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ah don't know who I am. The reason they don't know who they are is because it's an illusion. not that they don't know who they are. It's just that they are living by rules and beliefs and values that are not theirs, that are old, outdated, and often inherited by their parents, their teachers, and the people that raised them.
00:15:45
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So the ego isn't evil at all. It's just that we get into the situations where our ego doesn't match ourselves anymore. And we start to believe our thoughts, don't we?
00:15:57
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That's our ego. And we believe, so we believe our thoughts or like thoughts are coming from the ego, right? So we believe that our thoughts are that version of us when we are in the ego is us.
00:16:10
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There's two important things, right? We believe that that version is who we really are. And so it's not necessarily a very flattering version of ourselves. So that creates a lot of self-loathing because, you know, when we're emotional, when we are angry, we get all that. If you really think that the angry you is the real you, that can be can kind of upsetting.
00:16:31
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Right. To think that the thing that is it this true then as well. Sorry to interrupt just while we're on this. So this gap of like the self and the ego, is this where a lot of the problematic behaviors come in? Like addiction, let's say alcohol, drugs, food, issues with emotional eating, binge eating, eating food restriction. are Like, is this where a lot of these behavioral issues come in?
00:16:52
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100% because it's a disconnection. It's a disconnect, right? And substances, particularly when it comes to alcohol, to drugs, all of that is a way of finding connection. I mean, everything we do is trying to find connection, everything.
00:17:08
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Everything we do, like you said, is trying to get back to ourselves, right?
Disconnect from Self and Problematic Behaviors
00:17:11
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And people who use alcohol, food, all of that stuff to numb themselves or to find that connection again, It's because they haven't been able to find it anywhere else.
00:17:21
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They haven't been able to find it with themselves. So there's such a disconnection between who they are and who they think they are that they've lost connection completely. It causes a lot of pain. It's a mix of things. It's also like, like I said, just genuinely believing that that version of you when you're in your ego, when you are not yourself, is who you truly are.
00:17:43
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So yeah, like when people are like, I'm good for nothing. I'm so weak. i'm Fat. I have no control. i'm so unfit. I'm so unhealthy. i'm I'm ashamed of myself. I can't stand the side myself. All this kind of stuff.
00:17:57
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This yeah negative self-talk. It becomes an identity. It becomes an identity. What they don't realize in that moment is it's not that these thoughts aren't real because I understand that they feel real in the moment and you believe them.
00:18:09
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It's just that They're not you. Right. And we know this. We know that ah that's not there's nothing groundbreaking in what I'm saying here that you're not your thoughts. Right. I think this is something that is groundbreaking. I think there'll be a lot of people listening yeah that don't know this. Like I did not know this.
00:18:27
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Yeah. I never stopped to think just because I think something about myself doesn't make it true. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. Maybe I've i've been in a been it for too long. You've been in it for too long, you forget this. Yeah, yeah anothermear gris we don't we don't know these things. Yeah, maybe. So yes, there's two, I think there's two things, right? there's The first one is,
00:18:47
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You are not in your thoughts. You are, I like to say, you remember I told you this before, I like to say, you're not insecure. You had an insecure thought. And that is such an important distinction.
00:18:59
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You had an insecure thought. So you felt insecure. That doesn't mean that you are. And the moment that thought will go away, that feeling will go away, you'll be okay again.
00:19:11
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i like to use the and the metaphor of baking cookies, right? Your brain bake cookies, which basically are thoughts all the time. Imagine your brain is like a bakery, baking cookies all the time. Some are good, some are going to be burned, right?
00:19:26
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So the good ones are delicious, they're great. The burned one Well, you can try to put as much sugar as you want on top of it. It's still going to taste disgusting, right? A burn cookie is still a burn cookie.
00:19:39
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A bad thought is a bad thought. You can't positive thinking your way out of it, if that's the way of saying it. You can't ah do anything about it. You just have to just let it go.
00:19:50
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And that's the thing that we we have with these insecure thoughts. We don't let them go because we believe them so much. We're like, I believe i am insecure. It means I must have reasons to feel insecure.
00:20:03
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And what happens when you try to find reason to feel insecure when you're insecure? You find tons of reasons to insecure. And so all these reasons, simply you've got this filter in front of you as I am insecure. I'm going look for the reasons around me.
00:20:16
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And then that's going to reinforce the belief that you are insecure. That's going to give you reasons to believe that this is true. The simple fact is these beliefs that we have about ourselves, they are self-preserving.
00:20:28
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Right. That means that we are going, as soon as we feel them, we're going to have this instinct to try to prove ourselves right.
Emotional Responses and Identity
00:20:37
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To try to prove that we are right to believe them. Or to fix it, isn't it, as well? Fix it. Yeah. So fix, fixing how we feel does exactly the same thing. Fixing how we feel basically does the exact opposite of actually fixing the problem. So when you try to fix a problem from a place of insecurity, you're not fixing the problem, you're fixing your insecurity.
00:20:57
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You're trying to fix your insecurity. Now, what tends to happen is the action that you take will do the exact opposite, right? So give you an example, for instance, let's say eating, overeating, or let's say snacking or something like that, right?
00:21:12
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So you eat something and you feel like you've eaten too much and you feel really insecure. You feel shit if you like, oh my God, I'm so fat. I'm so disgusting. Like you've got all of these insecure thoughts coming through, right?
00:21:23
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Now, you want to soothe the feeling. you're talking about We're not talking about the problem anymore. The problem of having overreating is not even there. You want to soothe how you feel about yourself in a moment. What do you do?
00:21:35
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you reach for more food, chocolate, sweets, whatever it is, just to feel a little bit better in the moment, right? Or the opposite, you're gonna go on crash diet or something like that, right? You're gonna try to solve the feeling by making yourself feel better by doing something. It's like illusion of control in a moment.
00:21:53
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Now, what happens is the action you just took in that moment of what I call emotional drunkness, you're not totally yourself, you're a bit drunk on emotion, the action you take actually does the exact opposite is counterproductive, right? If you're feeling that you've eaten too much and you feel insecure about that and you start eating more, obviously this is completely counterproductive than taking some small actionable steps to to solve the problem.
00:22:19
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So in that situation is what we need to do is to try to fight the urge to solve how we feel, to let the thing, and that was going to be my second point, we don't need to do anything to solve our feelings.
00:22:31
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Our feelings settle on their own. that, I think, is the big thing that people don't necessarily know, is that they need to something about their feelings. This was like a groundbreaking thing for me because I'm a fixer, as you know, and any type of feeling, positive or negative, I have to act on it now without realizing that. And it's a hugely important thing. and I've spoken to other people on the podcast about it. It's a hugely important part of overcoming binge eating is learning how to feel uncomfortable.
00:22:59
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Yeah, absolutely. With your feelings. Sorry, I mean, to be there that you don't need to fix it, that whatever feeling is coming up for you by letting it be the other side of letting it be is the clarity to to move forward and in the new direction.
00:23:15
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Absolutely. 100 percent. And I like to see it as and I spoke about it yesterday ah in the module, which was going offline and online. Right. So when you're in these moments of strong emotional reaction to towards something that you've done, like binge eating, you're in your, what we call the reptilian part of the brain, the reptilian brain, which is the back of your brain, which is the emotional stress response brain is online.
00:23:41
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When that part of your brain is online, the pre-photocortex, which takes part takes care of the decision-making process is offline. So you kind of are in some sort of a trance in this moment, right? You're not yourself.
00:23:55
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You're completely hijacked by your emotions. You can't make any decision that are logical from that space simply because you're in fight flight freeze mode. That feeling that you get in a moment of reaction is an instant reaction. It's your stress response.
00:24:12
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From that place, you can't really make any decision that are going to be rational. So that's why you end up doing things that do not make sense, like eating even more or like going on a crash diet or like every sort of extreme sort of reaction that you have in these moments is because you are actually in survival mode at that point.
00:24:31
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Your pre-photo cortex is offline. What I advise everyone to do in that, in a sense, exactly what you said is just let it be, be comfortable. being a little uncomfortable because this isn't really you.
00:24:43
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Also, this isn't really happening. Whatever is going on in your head right now, whatever is the narrative you're creating about how a terrible, lazy, big, fat person you are, whatever is it that you're telling yourself isn't true.
00:24:58
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It's just an insight. It's just a narrative. it's just a story. If you can let that be and try not to act on it as much as possible, then your system is going to process that.
00:25:09
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youre going to go back online, meaning your peripheral cortex is going to go back online. And from that place, you're able to look back and to see what really happened and to potentially take steps in the right direction.
00:25:20
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Right. Does it make sense? Yeah. so And I think as well, what like, you know, that the context you've given is really good, but quite often as well, if we can manage to catch ourselves before the binge eating, even, you know, when you're like, I want, um I want, you're heading to the press and you're no you're, you're grabbing whatever you want to grab or whatever.
00:25:39
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If you can stop yourself there and be like, what am I feeling? And this is where I kind of, we kind of, ah correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what we would work towards, you know, creating a gap here, being like, okay, the urge to eat.
00:25:50
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maybe this is a perfect time to be like, how am I feeling? Why am I feeling this? What happened today? What's causing this trigger? So I have a slightly different view way of seeing this here and I get it. And i i think that can happen sometimes, right? It it it has happened to me.
00:26:08
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I truly believe that when you are already gone in that process of thought, feeling, behavior. Remember, thoughts happen without your control.
00:26:19
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yeah You have no control over the thoughts going through your mind. And thoughts create feelings. That means that you don't have a lot of control on your feelings either. Pretty much not. And feelings create behavior. So we don't have that much to say about our behavior.
00:26:32
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That means if something's going to trigger you to binge it, the probability of you being able to to create that gap is actually very, very, very slim. It's not possible, has happened to me, I'm sure that happens, but it's very slim.
00:26:47
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And what we have to be careful is to say, to have this message of saying, well, this is where you've got to you've got to be careful at that point because it's not realistic. It's really difficult to do.
00:26:58
Speaker
What it creates is more judgment. Well, I haven't been able to stop myself. What does that mean about me? I should have been able to, right? So we are essentially judging ourselves on something incredibly natural that we're doing without even thinking.
00:27:11
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I'm not saying don't try to stop yourself before, but I'm saying be realistic about it. There's a good chance that's not going to happen. And that's okay. Because the good news is the learning happens after.
00:27:25
Speaker
So if you can go through that, right? Go through that thing. and It's okay. You have done it. You've done the BNGT. been You've done all that. That's fine.
00:27:36
Speaker
You go back. You were offline anyway. You weren't in charge, right? That wasn't you. that wasn't that That's okay. It wasn't you. You go back online when you're back into yourself, where you can take in new learnings, where you can start to understand what was going on.
00:27:53
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And then you have a choice. You can either look back at what just happened with judgment and then go back again into that cycle. Or you can look at it with curiosity.
00:28:05
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Try to understand what happened. But also, not just what happened, how do I feel? What's my body telling me about what just happened right now? Do I feel good or do I feel...
00:28:16
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tired do i feel like not comfortable
Behavior Change through Awareness
00:28:20
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like because i've eaten it too much do i feel like i have a sugar crush if had too much sugar definite Now that, that is the moment you you you rewire your brain.
00:28:30
Speaker
In that moment, you send signal to your brain and your brain is learning. That means that every single time you do this and you focus on that moment, that aftermath moment of how you feel, it's not just about having done um done, I've done it and I don't need to think about it. No, no, no, no, I've done it.
00:28:48
Speaker
That's fine. There's no judgment. How do i feel about this? How does my body respond to that? Now there is the learning that's going to create a massive difference for you.
00:28:58
Speaker
And I'm talking about effortless difference, effortless behavior change. That's what I really want. So I'll give you an example. For instance, I used to love oysters, like absolutely loved oysters.
00:29:09
Speaker
And one day I had a bad oyster and that was it for me. Like since then I've been completely allergic to it. Now I tried this three times to have oysters again, because I was really determined to have oysters again in my life.
00:29:21
Speaker
Three times i went violently sick like for like 24 48 hours throwing up like absolutely horrible i didn't really need to pause and ask myself what's going on because it was so clearly the impact on my body was so strong my brain registered that immediately that means that now if i see oysters i don't need to tell myself oh but I need to convince myself not to have it, if that makes sense. I need to ask myself, should I, should I not? know No, no. It's just not even my periphery. thought.
00:29:57
Speaker
My brain knows this isn't good for me. Now this is extreme, right? But this is kind of the rewiring that you're looking at. I know that some people listening will be like, wow, okay. Yeah, this is absolutely, um my God, groundbreaking. I can literally take that moment.
00:30:13
Speaker
I also know from from experience working with a lot of women that there are some people who don't feel that horrible feeling, fit that horrible physical feeling afterwards because it's something that happens every night.
00:30:26
Speaker
Their body is used to it. They don't know the difference. between feeling good and feeling the way that they feel all of the time, that the emotional pain attached to it and the shame and the guilt is huge, huge. But there's the physical discomfort is not there because I have spoken to people one on one on this. And that is something. big And then because it's so regular, it can be such a difficult thing to pinpoint, especially And this is where I think sometimes focusing on the positive impact of something you put in can be hugely helpful. So this is where my gap comes in, where it's like when I'm creating a gap, it's like, it's not saying that you can't have the food.
00:31:06
Speaker
So it's like, you're going to the press and you're like, okay, one second, automatic reaction, create a gap. What are you going to put into this gap? Go for a shower. go for a walk, do admit a bit of journaling, you know, and but that you're not not saying you can't have this food.
00:31:19
Speaker
You're like, I can have it, but I'm just going to do my have my shower first. So it gives you, like you said, that emotional drunkness, it gives you time to snap out, but maybe you won't, but you have more of a chance of. Okay. I see what you mean. So what I would say here is that if there's no physical discomfort,
00:31:37
Speaker
Then there's definitely a feeling that we try to numb. It's not about, yeah it's it's about a feeling. Okay. And that's my point. Yeah, that it's it's it's a coping mechanism and it's so automatic and so deeply rooted.
00:31:52
Speaker
It kind of like, it's still the same. I still have the same, this it's the same pattern for me, but the question is slightly different. There it's about, again, i genuinely think that it is difficult. i think it's amazing if you manage to do the, to have the gap, it's great. And I think you should encourage it 100%, but people have to be aware that it's, it's also difficult. It's, it can be difficult and it's okay not to manage. and Yes. and And that there is, so if you don't create create a gap and you're looking at that yourself afterwards, it's like, you can still make changes after.
00:32:25
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Yeah, exactly. And what I would say then, if the feedback is physical discomfort, then it's more about understanding What was the real need? Again, here, you rewiring, I've done this and ive like so many times this happened to me. like I'm literally terrible at stopping myself. like Nine out of 10 times, i don't. like If I see myself literally reaching for the chocolate where my daughter has pissed me off and I see it happening I'm just doing it anyway and it's fine, right?
00:32:53
Speaker
But where this is different from what it used to be is that A, because I'm used to it now and I used to understand the pattern, I understand what I'm doing. So that means that it's not as overwhelming and I can have one piece of chocolate, let's say, instead of an entire tablet because I have completely lost control. And B, it's about addressing the need again. It's like, okay, I know this isn't a food problem.
00:33:17
Speaker
What did I actually need? What was the need that I haven't met that I then turned into a food problem? Because we do that all the time because food is emotional, right? Food is emotional support at the end of the day.
00:33:30
Speaker
So we turn ah physical, real-life problem into a food problem. When we do that, again, address the feeling that we have.
00:33:42
Speaker
We don't address the problem. And so if we don't go back on this instance and ask, what was really going on? What was I trying to numb?
00:33:53
Speaker
What was the actual need that I had in that moment? We're not solving that need and therefore that need is going to keep bothering us and keep making us eat until we end up, I don't know, maybe one day, hopefully one day addressing it or we might never do it and we keep on doing this for years and years and years.
00:34:10
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So I would say that if it's not a physical discomfort, then what's the need? What's the need that I haven't addressed? Because you'll know when you've eaten something when you didn't actually want to eat.
00:34:21
Speaker
Yeah. And I think that probably the emotional discomfort is just, if not more strong than physical discomfort. Like what I noticed as well is with clients, when they sign up to, you know, to lose weight, they soon realize how much more it is.
00:34:37
Speaker
If you want to lose weight and get fit and healthy and you want to do it once and for all and not be in this constant cycle of dieting and we're trying to diet and weight going up, it very much ends up being a whole life thing.
00:34:50
Speaker
because the root of the overeating, like would there's a the certain amount of physical causes of it, you know, you know lack of balance of macronutrients, not getting enough, you know, so whole foods in, you know, and like once we kind of obviously as coaches fix these physical needs, I suppose that that need to be put in place, a lot of it then will be busyness, stress, not prioritizing themselves at all.
00:35:13
Speaker
But the it's it's the causes of the stress in life is where the answers are from my experience. going to be different in your life to my life to someone else's life whatever it is that's creating those really uncomfortable feelings in us is the key to change 100 100 and that's the that and this is where we use food or alcohol alcohol or anything to distract us from the actual problem. Again, it goes back to we're solving the feeling, we're not solving the problem.
00:35:43
Speaker
That is like a record theme in everything we do and every time we we overcompensate with something, whether it's food, whether it's alcohol, whether it's drugs, whether it's work, whether it's shopping, whether whatever addiction you've got, all you're doing is you're distracting yourself from the actual problem.
00:36:01
Speaker
And that all goes ties back into the fear of our thinking. or the fear from our feelings, right? It feels uncomfortable when I don't like having this thought because it feels so true.
00:36:16
Speaker
So I need to quick, quick, quick, distract myself from it. And I think this is, you know, you've experienced it, right? When it makes a huge difference is when we understand that we don't need to distract ourselves because if we don't do that, we're going to be fine.
Creativity and Presence
00:36:32
Speaker
We've got everything we need. We've got this. That's when we connect with ourselves, isn't it? And those thoughts and those feelings, if we can just breathe them away like clouds. so you know, that's an and analog that meant read an analogy of your thoughts. It's OK to have the thoughts, but just see them as clouds passing by and you don't need to own them. You don't need to believe them.
00:36:49
Speaker
And you can can be like, oh, that's an interesting one I've just had there and just let them pass. And using like, you know, deep breathing just ah to like blow. I will often like do like a breathing exercise where I'll breathe in like white clouds just to fill me full of white fluffiness and I will breathe out black like I will literally breathe out black smoke and it's literally just my contaminated thinking being breathed away and breathing in freshness and that works really well for me now everyone will find different things that works for them but it's amazing it really does help we're so not used to being uncomfortable with anything like you can don't know how to be bored anymore like when's the last time you were bored don't tell me about Boredom. I mean, my lifelong fight is to get people bored again.
00:37:33
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remember being a teenager or a kid and genuinely being bored. Now, maybe if there was teenagers listening, they'd be like, I'm bored in school. But apart from that. But what comes from boredom? Creativity. If you look at children, and love...
00:37:45
Speaker
And it's so as parents, and you you must have experienced that too, right? It's so hard to, you see you so your child bored and I've had to literally kick myself so many times, like not kick myself, but hold myself back because I see her being a bit bored for like two seconds and immediately I'm like, what what can I find to entertain her? I need to throw stuff at her or give herself to be entertained.
00:38:08
Speaker
When actually if I don't, if I hold back, She'll come up with something to do. She'll come up. They're always kind of the cutest thing in these moments, like set start singing a song or have an idea or tell you a story or something. Because that is these gaps. And this is what I call gaps myself, right? The gap in the moment where, ah gap in your life where you go back into connection. You get out of the overthinking. You get out of the overstimulation.
00:38:36
Speaker
of the thing that's going on in the world and you have an original thought. How rare is it to have an original thought these days, right? We are constantly stimulated.
00:38:48
Speaker
We're constantly influenced by everything that we see, everything that we do. I make a point now of not putting up my phone when I'm in the tube, for instance. Like I'm not not a book, not a phone, nothing.
00:39:01
Speaker
I try to use these moments for like gaps to myself to just like let my, thought or i used to run and listen to podcasts and stuff like don't do that anymore either like just let myself be a bit bored and let my mind wander and all that and at first you can have loads of shit because a lot people do that they say oh yeah but like when i do that i've got loads of thinking yeah you've got to you're gonna have tons of thinking going on if you let it happen that's gonna come down at some point It does. i do this on my walk. So I don't listen to a podcast when I go walk. And I live about a 10 minute walk from the beach. So I walk down. That's a nice country road. I walk down the road.
00:39:36
Speaker
And like quite often I'm like rage walking at the start. And then by the time I, i so i I walk for a about... It's yeah, I probably walk for about two and a half kilometers one direction.
00:39:49
Speaker
And then I squat and I sit down at the sea for a minute and I just as ah it's my favorite spot. I always just sit there for minute by myself or me and the dog. And it's lovely. But if I was to just drive down sea and sit, I would not get the same experience of it because I need to rage walk my thoughts out of it first.
00:40:03
Speaker
And then I really enjoy the rest of it. And I'm so present and I love that. And I like I really think Like it is my form of meditation. And I think quite often we think that we need to be sitting to meditate.
00:40:14
Speaker
Whereas if you've got a really busy mind, I think moving to meditate is nearly an easier way to do it. A hundred percent. There's definitely no rules to that. And I love that. and And I get this as well. Like it's this moment where you're almost like, you just realize where you are.
00:40:28
Speaker
You know, you were just caught up in your thinking and suddenly you look around you and you're like That's like, I'm here. Like I'm right here, right now. These gaps in your life. And we need to create that that space for it, like to to create gaps. and And boredom is part of it.
00:40:45
Speaker
and And children are so good at it. We lose that ability to be bored. It's like the idea of like a holiday, like, you know, when you go on holidays and you look at your holidays and through rose tinted glasses and you're like, oh, it was just the most amazing time I had in Spain or in France or in Italy or whatever, you know, with. ah But why did you have such an amazing time? Because you were present, because you weren't working, because you weren't stressed, because you were in the present moment. You were doing things like getting into water and, you know, going for more walks and you're out in the fresh air in the sunshine.
00:41:14
Speaker
But the thing is, We can do that in our everyday, maybe not every single day, depending on how busy our lives are, but we can incorporate that presence into our lives. It might take some restructuring of our lives.
00:41:26
Speaker
And I think I really do believe that our answer to everything is very much in slowing down and decluttering our lives. Yeah, yeah. and And you know what you said about like when you're on holiday, what happens?
00:41:38
Speaker
So when you're on holiday day and you're more present, like you said, because you got you got less on your mind simply, right? and food You've got less on your mind. What happens then with your eating and exercising? What tends to happen for most of your clients if they tell you?
00:41:52
Speaker
Are they doing better? Yeah, it's just the non-issue. It's not something you're stressing about. It's non-issue. It's not even on your mind. It's intuitive. you eat I have clients that go away and they're like, oh my God, I was hitting 10, 15,000 steps every day because they're out for a walk in the sunshine every day because they had the time to do it.
00:42:07
Speaker
It wasn't something you need to do or you should do. It was just you listening again, going back to yourself, listening to your wisdom. And the thing is, we are inherently healthy.
00:42:20
Speaker
We don't need anyone to tell us. As a child, you didn't need a dietician to tell you what to eat. You didn't need someone to tell you when to rest. I mean, given like some children don't want to go to bed, but it's more of a defiance against the parents and everything else.
00:42:33
Speaker
Children, my daughter takes herself to bed when she's tired. Like we don't- You literally cannot overfeed a baby. Like put it that way. exactly. You can't overfeed a baby. Exactly. So that ability that we have to know exactly what we need to know exactly how much we need to eat, what we need to eat, when we need to rest, all of that.
00:42:53
Speaker
It's there. And it comes back. It's like a cork being pushed down under the water and just comes back when we let it, right? In these moments of, in these gaps, in these holidays, whenever we have less than our mind.
00:43:07
Speaker
So really, comes down to that. We need to have less on our mind to be able to be okay. And how do we have less on our mind? Because we can't actually control how much thinking we have.
00:43:20
Speaker
And our mind is constantly, like I said, baking these cookies, whether we want it or not. It's how much importance we give them. That's it. You can't do anything about the thinking that's going on.
00:43:31
Speaker
But you can do a lot ah about how much you decide to entertain the thinking, to believe that thinking, to dwell and to all push away. Because by the way, it's the same thing whether you dwell on something or you try to push it away, ignore it completely, it's the same thing. It keeps it alive. It keeps it in your body. it keeps it there, right? yeah Instead of exactly like you described it earlier beautifully, letting the clouds pass, right? Just acknowledging the clouds, they're here. can see it.
00:44:01
Speaker
You don't have to do anything about it. They're just there. there will be people listening that will be like, oh my God, this makes so much sense. Like, but where do I start? I'm working 40 to 50 hours a week. I've got three kids. They're in ah football training in the evening times and I'm but between work and it's everything's rush, rush, rush, you know, and it's like,
00:44:19
Speaker
you know and it's like What's my first actionable step? I've got a few things coming to mind. I want to see if what's that, what will be the first thing we'd advise. I'm going to blend these two into one because there's two things that comes to mind came to mind, which was let go of the judgment.
00:44:35
Speaker
Judgment is what keeps you stuck. If there's one thing you need to keep your eye on and everything that you do is judgment. you really think about it, like if you go back to overeating, right, it's not the action itself.
00:44:49
Speaker
It's how much you judged yourself for it that's gonna create the ripple, that is gonna ripple out into 10, 20 more destructive habits after that, right?
00:45:00
Speaker
You can't have a blip, you can't have a freak out and eat a tub of chocolate, a tub of ice cream because your kids fucking drove you nuts, right? That can be a moment in time, a drop in the ocean of your week, of your life, doesn't even need to don't even need to register.
00:45:18
Speaker
But if you judge yourself for that, if you start going back on it, making it ah the story about who you are, about yourself, about how good or bad of a mother you are and all of that, then that starts to snowball into way more and then that's when you start losing complete control.
00:45:36
Speaker
So judgment is what's creating... all of our issues, all the time. That's why we take things personally, we have problems in our relationships, that's why we binge eat, we we we go into addictions, all of that stuff. So judgment is the first thing. The second thing was gonna say, the need, right?
00:45:53
Speaker
What do you need? What do I need? The reason why we're again, we get into the we're getting imp prop into into these these habits or these destructive behaviors, or we lose complete sense of who we are what we want, is that we're not listening to our needs.
00:46:09
Speaker
What is it that I really want? And again, to go back to the food earlier, right? What is it that I need here? Do I really need to eat? Or do I need to address something else? Is there a feeling that I'm not processing? Is there a conversation that needs to be had?
00:46:24
Speaker
Boundaries that need to be put in? And now we can blend these two together. What's the need? What if you could just listen to what? What if you could ask yourself, what do I need right now without judgment?
00:46:35
Speaker
Letting the judgment go and just really looking within, just asking yourself, what do I need? And I'm thinking right now to all the mothers, particularly the mothers who are listening to this to this, women in general, but mothers in particular, who feel like they have to put their children first and their family first and and they have to, and you know end the need, and need don't matter. It's my family's need first and all of that stuff.
00:47:00
Speaker
I'll tell them like what I tell to all my clients that you cannot pour from an empty cup. You cannot provide for your family as long as you have a provide, you give your family the love and the support that they need if you don't have that for yourself first.
00:47:15
Speaker
So it starts with you. It always, always starts with you. If you're okay, if your needs are met, then you can meet everybody else's.
Cognitive Hypnotherapy and NLP
00:47:24
Speaker
That's the one thing is what is your need? What do you need?
00:47:27
Speaker
Yes. So space for you as well. Yeah. And it goes back to, it ties into what you said, right? Create that space. And when you ask yourself that question, what do I need? Obviously you don't need to answer it in that moment. Just ask, you know, ask yourself, what do you need? See what comes to you over time.
00:47:44
Speaker
Changes that might need to be made could, could end up being big over time. Really? Goodness. That's all huge. Oh, huge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not just a question. It's a state. It's a state of being.
00:47:56
Speaker
To understand that that's the reconnection to your true self, to your wisdom, to what you want. And that goes back to everything that we we just said, right? So that when you are connected to your true self, when you get out of the ego of your thoughts of overthinking and all that, and you go back to what you really want and need.
00:48:15
Speaker
You can never go wrong with it. Like never. As long as you stay true to what is important to you and you do right by this, you can't go wrong, but it's going to ripple out as well in everything else. Like your relationships, your children, all of that. Everyone is going to benefit from you listening to yourself. If I could summarize this, I would, is this.
00:48:37
Speaker
Everyone around you is going to benefit from you listening to yourself. Couldn't agree more. But I suppose so if people are listening and they're like, OK, like this, i this is something I need help and support with.
00:48:50
Speaker
And we we didn't even get into the whole concept of talking about cognitive hypnotherapy or NLP and what it is and then a little bit about what you actually do. So we might just finish up with that. Do you want to in a nutshell kind of explain what cognitive hypnotherapy and LP is as well and then what that means for you as a as a coach?
00:49:11
Speaker
Absolutely. So the way that I work our clients on that is there's two things really. The first one is to understand what we, like we said, we we have these narratives, we have these beliefs about ourselves, about the world, these learnings that sit in our ego and And then we go by every time we feel a little bit insecure, a bit unsure, every time something, life throws stuff at us that we're not prepared for.
00:49:37
Speaker
We go back to what we know, right? So we go into our ego. We do this by simply because it's easier and it's simpler and it's quicker because we already know how it works. What we do is we go back to what we know. And so that's when these we start living or acting according to these limiting beliefs, such as I'm not good enough, I can't do this and all that.
00:49:58
Speaker
Now, a big part of my work is to bring awareness around it first, because one of the big problem isn't that we do that, is that we don't know that we're doing that. We have no idea this is what's going on.
00:50:10
Speaker
We go into this trend state, we do these things and were we come out of it, we're like we go back online, we're like, what just happened? Why did I get so angry? Why did I just sabotage myself? Why did I, why did I? And so we start asking why and then, and then again, it becomes an identity thing. We think we that's the person that we are. No, this the first step is to bring awareness and to understand what's the script that I live by when I'm not quite feeling secure within myself.
00:50:38
Speaker
Right. And is this a practice of cognitive hypnotherapy? Is it? Yeah. Okay. So it's understanding, understanding that now the the more aspect of like NLP and all, and it's kind of all mixed together anyway, but it's, kind it's, it's the idea that we reframe and rewire the brain.
00:50:54
Speaker
to think differently, right? So these beliefs are only there because we've never they've never been challenged, right? That's a whole point of belief. We don't challenge them. That's just, we know that they're true and that and that's it. we don't try We don't try to understand them.
00:51:09
Speaker
So that's where we, through cognitive therapy, through NLP, understand what's the belief and also change the way that our mind sees them. See them for what they are, which is old stories, outdated stories. They're not true. They're not telling you anything about right now.
00:51:25
Speaker
They're telling you a lot about your past, not about a lot of us going on right now because they're made of your past, your trauma, your experiences, all of that stuff, right? So it's understanding that. And then the bigger sort of work that I do then. So that's more the cognitive neurotherapy, NLP and all that.
00:51:42
Speaker
And then the bigger work that I do after that, when that's done, because that's going to bring the stress response down a lot, right? To understand that, oh, That's why I do what I do.
00:51:53
Speaker
And NLP stands for neuro like linguistic programming. Programming. Exactly. It's the reprogramming. It's the it's the think about it as like reprogramming a computer. Right. You change the program. That program didn't work.
00:52:05
Speaker
It doesn't work anymore. It's outdated. As you work through your old beliefs, you're replacing them with more helpful beliefs that you actually believe now. Exactly. That's the first bit. And then the second bit, which I find something that I've been doing in the most recent years and I find is even more powerful than all of that is ah because this is a great, like it's a good start to understand already what how your thoughts work and why you do what you do.
00:52:32
Speaker
But the the thing that's going to be doing the heavy, heavy, heavy lifting for you and that's going to make it so effortless is to understand that actually you don't actually even need to reframe.
00:52:43
Speaker
You don't even need to change your thoughts. You don't even need to to reprogram anything because none of it is true, because none of it is real, because your thoughts are going to pass.
00:52:56
Speaker
And when a bad one comes up, comes along, ah limiting belief and all of that, yes, you can spend a lot of time trying to convince yourself otherwise. otherwise You can try to reframe it. You can do all of this work.
00:53:08
Speaker
You can also just let it go because it doesn't mean anything. So that's the second bit. And this bit, what I love about that, getting my my clients to that understanding of their thoughts is that that bit is completely effortless.
00:53:21
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That bit doesn't require training. It doesn't require techniques. It doesn't require anything. It just requires an understanding of what, of where your experience is coming from. Your experience isn't coming from the world.
00:53:36
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It's coming from your head. And the wonderful thing about your thoughts is they go. They don't stay. Yeah, that is such a good place to finish.
Conclusion and Call to Action
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that's my oh Mind blown. Charlotte, thank you so much for this amazing conversation.
00:53:51
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I'm sure there'll be a lot of people listening to be like, wow, who is this person? I need to find her on the internet. I need to follow her. I need to find out what she does. Where is the best place for people to find you? Instagram would be sharp, murky, official in one word. That would be on Instagram. And other that, I've got my website, www.
00:54:09
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charlottemelke.com if anyone wants to learn more to potentially feel like they're they're stuck in some areas and they need some clarity and they need to help the first thing that i do is just a simple intro call we discuss and we we see if we can work together or not so the best way to do that is to go on my website and to ah fill out a quick form and then i'll get back to them with some options charlotte thank you so much this has been absolutely amazing thank you my love
00:54:35
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00:55:17
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