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Episode 34: Tailgate Talk with Kevin Vasquez
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This week is full of hot takes and rants as Nate, Kyle, and Kevin talk about all of the unsafe tenting they've seen on social media in the last few days. They go in to the importance of educating partners about safety, horror stories of jobs they've been asked to do, and more. Buckle up! This episode is brought to you by Anchor Industries. You can learn more at www.anchorinc.com.
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Introduction to 'Under the Vinyl' Podcast
00:00:00
Speaker
This is Under the Vinyl, a rental management media podcast. I'm Nate. And I'm Kyle. And this is what we talk about, tents and everything tent-related. Let's dive in. I'm a tent rental man, I'm working on all day.
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Getting mistakes in the ground no matter what they say. From sunrise to the night, make sure everything's right. Yeah, I'm a tent rental man, I'm working on...
Guest Introduction: Kevin from Made in the Shade
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Got a good tailgate talk for you guys today. Mid busy season. As always, I got Kyle on. Kyle, how you doing, buddy? I'm great, Nate. It's good to see you. It's been a little bit. Haven't really seen you since. It has, it has.
00:00:43
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don't know that's a good thing or a bad thing, but I've talked to you enough. I know that. I think we might talk too much, but we can. My wife's starting to get jealous, but that's fine. A lot of sub rentals going back and forth. I'm liking it.
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don't like it. It means we're, we're doing something right.
Safety Concerns in Tent Rental Industry
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Uh, but we also got Kevin with made in the shade on as always, our special guest, Kyle, uh, Kevin, how you doing, buddy? I'm great, man. I'm great. It's good to see you guys. I don't, I see you guys via text. I never get to see your faces, you know, except for when I'm watching YouTube videos of interviews and all that good stuff.
00:01:17
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Well, it's good to see your face too. And I'm glad you get up super early as I know we were texting and it was 5am your time and it's still what? Eight o'clock maybe? Yeah. Oh no. Yeah. I love it.
00:01:29
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It's great to just wake up to my phone vibrating at the the early hours of the day and you guys are already ah starting to get knee deep into your day and I'm starting to mine. So it's always ah so always's a good little alarm clock, a good wake up call for me.
00:01:46
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So ten talk yeah, it never stops, baby. Never stops. It never does. No, but we got some good stuff here today. So yeah, let's, let's just dive right in. Um, so today we're going to hit on a little bit of safety stuff on, I mean, with all this safe tending stuff coming out with ARA, um, and some good direction that we're going with that and everybody getting that out there.
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Um, you know, we've been seeing a lot of social media stuff on just people posting, um pictures, content, things like that, Instagram, Facebook, and other things.
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And I think it's just time to call to the fire. um You know, we've mentioned names, we but we've all, No, we've all gone about it in in certain ways over time. And I think through the years, you know, that everybody has started to produce, everybody's quality has been good, but you know, just the quality of safety on the sites with who's representing the company and what they're doing. And now that's stuff is now getting out there and being posted when we're all trying to come together as an industry and make this the safest industry, but also get our name out there that this is a hot industry to get into.
00:02:51
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um And it's just tougher when you see these stuff on online. And I mean, we were talking about last night in our group chat with Kevin and Kyle and, and yeah, I mean, what are you guys doing or what are you seeing right now?
Shift from Reactive to Proactive Safety Measures
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Well, I just, to me, Nate, this whole industry in terms of safety is reactive versus proactive. And I think we're getting ahead of that now with the safe tenting initiative that's come out and the associations all working towards certifications and just pushing safety, safety, safety.
00:03:21
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um But it's crazy to me, this stuff, like if I was an insurance agent, I would just follow the companies that I insure on Facebook and... You know, that's the first thing I would do is just look and see if they're actually as safe as they say they are on their application, things like that.
00:03:36
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But it's crazy that people in the world of social media still let the stuff get out there. Am I saying I'm 100% perfect all the time? No. I am smart enough to know that should not be posted when I have to do right now.
00:03:49
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Or, hey... don't do that and get that off social media right away. But people are just putting it out there and it's almost like they don't care. And it's big companies is that do it is what kills me.
00:04:03
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Yeah. um A lot of it comes down to also big companies. Yeah. No, I think a lot of it comes down to, you know, where this was, you know, when I attended my first match in like 2013 and it was like, you know, you saw some hard hats, you saw some safety vests here and there now. I mean,
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yeah it's um it's all required whenever we go to these shows now and all that. And I think, you know, you start getting into this this safety aspect and the safety thought process and then complacency starts after a couple years, right?
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Like, oh, nothing's ever happened. I can take off my hard hat and hang this wall or, you know, do i really need to like take that extra step or do i should i go get that ladder that's a little bit taller or i can do it with this one and just be on the top step so sometimes i think that's what we see is some complacency of course and that's what happened and then that's when things can occur you know is when you when you just let things go and just i don't want to say take shortcuts but kind of take those things where it's like well nothing's happened so i can just do this real quick
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Balancing Safety and Efficiency on Job Sites
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four four four five or visit anchor i n c dot com Well, Kevin, I've been to a lot of companies. I talked to a lot of people in the industry.
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By far, I'd say you're probably one of the safest companies that I've come across in the industry. Do you notice it's slowing down production at all? Because that's usually what you hear is, you know well, if I do this, I'm going to save 10 minutes or an hour.
00:06:07
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Yeah, cutting corners. Oh yeah. I mean, you know, I've, um, we deal with the safety consultant. We've been working with him for the last six years and they've really helped us get to where we are now. And also, you know, working with you, Kyle, working with Nate, like working with you guys and kind of ah going back and forth about what's a good practice and what's not, then, you know, there's the safe tenting aspect that we were just talking about earlier. what We can get into later.
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Um, But there is there is a point where efficiency is sacrificed for too safe, you know, and that can happen. And, you know, we're not we're not the bubble boys. We're not just living in this this bubble to do to do these things. we're at we're We're construction workers. We have to do things with our hands.
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We have to move around. We have to be in awkward positions. So, um you know, we did notice that our efficiency and our work our workload was... kind of getting hi um because we were doing things way, you know, ah way above and beyond from what we needed to do at that point. So there is that fine line and that balance, like, yeah, do it safe, you know, um do it right or don't do it at all is of course the the sayings, but that doesn't mean that you, you should just let that job bleed out and take forever and, you know, take breaks all the time and all that like
00:07:32
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be smart about it and and do it you know where it makes sense to everyone and all that i remember i'll never forget this phone call i got from you kevin this kyle it officially happened and i was like what was i say i think we are too safe the guys wanted to take like a scissor lift to go put up a 40 wide frame 10 yeah that was ridiculous Absolutely, but I mean, I even think it goes, i mean, we've got two different
The Importance of PPE and Proper Equipment Use
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aspects here. I think we have job site safety and how you're building things and just overall structure of building.
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And then I think becomes your PPE and your overall safety and things like that. I mean, perfect example, you know, uh, vest in the workplace. You know, we implemented that to where everybody needs to be wearing a vest when you're on the grounds and walking around there. And our theory on that was, and I think I've hit this before is when they get in the truck and it's already on, or they think about it, that it's already on. And when they get out to the job site, it's not even a thought. It's just natural that it, it becomes it put on it's already on.
00:08:29
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Um, cause I think we had a lot of times where guys weren't, we tell them they had to be wearing safety vests. And then we send a project manager out and they're not wearing a safety vest. Um, um or even the hard hat and so getting in the routine to have it on at all times it just becomes natural and i think when you're on the site you know i mean hell even kyle's wearing his right now as he's sitting in his office i mean i think you do the same thing there kyle so uh like you know i just just a little tpe things i open my door i am in the warehouse so like i just when i get in the morning first thing that goes on and i have it on all day
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So, yeah. Yeah. And I think from there, you know, the P the PPE is one of those things where that is a whole safety. But what now we're seeing is and I'm just going to jump right into it is the social media stuff where.
00:09:14
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These companies, if you have a garden tent, figure out a way to not put your guy on the damn tent top. They cannot be climbing on top of the tops. I understand that people in the past, we have client had to climb 60 wide center poles to drop extension cords down the middle and everything else.
00:09:32
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But as it goes right now, we cannot do that anymore. There's too many eyes on our industry as a whole with everything going on. We can, Nate. There's a safe way to do it. Safely. Right. We can have you can tie someone off the rope. You can you can do it safely.
00:09:47
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Right. But a lot of these pictures that we're seeing, especially on these garden tents down, I know that it's garden tent specific or even or your atrium or your levo, whatever you're calling them. It's these guys that can't figure out a way or haven't figured out a way to do this properly to put a tarp over the top um ah or, you know, for shade cloth or.
00:10:05
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they don't want to spend more money to get the right equipment. You know, I understand you can't bring in a 45 foot ah articulating lift um on every site to try and pull tarps over.
00:10:16
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So then get a single man lift. Yes, it takes longer. Yes, you have to push it around. Yes, it's a pain in the ass. But at the end of the day, That's what it takes to get the job done safe safely. That's what you need to do. But the the guys that are walking the beams that are throwing shade cloths over, I mean, I said something to somebody the other day on um on Instagram, and I saw it, and um I said, hey.
00:10:38
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maybe we shouldn't be walking on a tentops now. um You know, maybe we could figure, maybe you guys should figure out a different way or there was another one on there. And I said, hey might want to look at getting hard hats as these beams are flying of these over these these guys. And I think a lot of that just comes from our experience. I mean, your experiences, my experiences, I've seen guys get hit in the head and had to go the hospital because a purling come down and and they cut their head open.
00:11:01
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um So it's na what not because we're not wanting to do it. it shouldn't be our experience it should be common sense at this point yeah a guy got bashed on should be natural yeah a guy got bashed on facebook because they were wearing a hard hat when his crew was putting up a 20 by 20 and people were bashing him for it and i'm like because you have your keyboard warriors out there who just don't get it and they don't understand it and and then they those are the people that are moving really fast now and those are the people that don't care because they're just trying to make a buck you know this this whole topic and we'll jump into another one here this whole
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Topic that we were talking about in our conversation this morning on on Facebook over this ah picture us saw last night on Instagram of this floor.
Role of Planners and Standards in Safety
00:11:42
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I won't name the company, but it is literally a stick build floor and by stick build it is a wood plywood floor with four buys underneath. Now, okay, I get that we do those same floors everybody does those same floors around the country right.
00:11:56
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You do not take a plywood floor with four bys and take it from zero grade to three and a half foot tall in the air and then shim it up with tons of shims. ah Just blocks, four bys, blocks stacked all the way up. I mean, would have three, four foot tall.
00:12:11
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And then taking... six inch pieces of plywood and screwing them to the side so that the four bys don't move. yeah they make an engine They make an engineered product now. There are several different engineered products out there. I mean, the TF2100 is one of the most well-known products. It's one of the most expensive products I get, but there's knockoffs and there's everything else of that style of floor out there.
00:12:33
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It is an engineered floor. And I had to explain this to a planner last night when she said, she sent it to me and we started talking about it and she was like, I don't get it. And I just told her, I was like, look, at the end of the day, This is, that might get the job done, but you're looking at a cost savings here is all you're looking at. You're not looking at the you're not looking at the overall effect on if somebody gets killed or somebody gets hurt, if this floor collapses.
00:12:54
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I mean, all I could think about is you get 200 people, 300 people on that floor and it starts shifting sideways, it's gonna fall down. And with a TF floor, you're gonna stake it, you're gonna anchor it, and it's also engineered.
00:13:05
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I mean, it's common sense that it is engineered flooring, and that is why it is able to go from zero to three foot tall. You can't be doing what they're doing. And then I finally went straight to the planner that posted it.
00:13:18
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Cause I saw the tech company that was on there and we won't name that tech company, but if you're listening to this do better. Um, I went straight to the planner and the planner said, well, it saved me. It saved them. thirty It saved the customer $30,000 versus what the other prices were.
00:13:32
Speaker
Okay. So $30,000 to risk how many people's lives? Where are you all at with that? yeah i agree i think that that's something that and when you sent me that it was kind of like it flashed me back to like the like 15 years ago when we used to do stuff like that way before engineered floor came out and all that but you're right like that is and unfortunately it takes something to happen to make something happen right so who knows that that event could go off without a hitch nothing could go wrong
00:14:03
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all that but just to know that that's what's underneath and we know that that is scary and that is worrisome and it's just you're willing to post that though yeah well they didn't post it they didn't repost it that's for damn sure inter so the planner put them on blast yeah so but the planner is the one that's okay and then the planner is responsible for all of that Yeah. So the question is should we be educating the planner versus the tank company instead? Or do we need to change our education models here? ah Maybe.
00:14:35
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Yeah, so I actually went straight to that planner and asked. ah They said that they would be in Nashville in the in the coming weeks, and I asked for a coffee, lunch, or drinks meeting, and that's going to kind of be my my thing. i'm I'm not trying to sell you.
00:14:49
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i would um Absolutely, I'd love earn your business if you're in my area or wherever you want to take us, but my comment to them was, I know you have good vendors with you, but... If you'd like to go get drinks, just sit down and talk. I'd love to try and educate you a little bit on this and tell you my standpoint on this and see if there's anything that we can do for you.
00:15:06
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um But also just all around, just give you the education. And and Kyle, you're right. maybe we're Maybe we're going in the right way with these tech companies because, i mean, they're the ones that are okaying it and saying that it's okay.
00:15:19
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But I think we also need to educate some of these planners because in the planner that I was talking to that sent me this originally, She said that she sent it to her planner friends that have a group text all over the country.
00:15:31
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And they were like, oh yeah, we've seen that before. We we do that a lot. And now I'm just like, mind blown that there's this many people out there doing that thing. Mm-hmm. well With no knowledge.
00:15:43
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That's the issue. And the planners don't know any different. Or they think it's okay because some tent company who they trust... Because 90% of the time, Nate, the planners you work with, the planners I've worked with, they trust you.
00:15:57
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They trust yeah So if I tell them, yeah, this is how it's done. Yeah, everyone does it this way. They're going to believe what we say. yeah Because they don't know... any different so i think as an industry yeah we should start educating planners or inviting them to you know local events for any association um just to get some education out there and hopefully the safe tending initiative you know we can have one cheaters on safety eventually that you can give to someone say yeah my price is higher but this is why
Certifications and Safety Standards Compliance
00:16:30
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Yeah. Yeah. You're getting, you're getting qualified, certified installations and, you know, using proper, the right products, using the right things.
00:16:40
Speaker
And, you know, there's, there shouldn't be a worry about what's going to be either below your tent or above it. Right. Like we are doing all the right things to make that happen. And, you know, i think one of the things too is working with the code officials and the fire departments and all that and understanding what they ask for and for us to meet that, you know, at a certain degree and work with them on that, you know.
00:17:04
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Well, there was, Nate, you'll like this. I don't have pictures of it, but I got a phone call, and a guy FaceTimed me. this They did a 15 or 20 meter on a Bill Jacks floor.
00:17:15
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They anchored, there was anchors on the first two legs, so the bracing bay, and then the other ones were just lag bolted into the Bill Jacks, and that was it. That was the only thing holding the tent down.
00:17:26
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would Yeah, oh yeah. Three quarter inch plywood. Yeah, that sounds great. So yeah, and I mean, like, it's all at that point there you at that point with with with the fire marshals and stuff you want to go in a little bit about what what you had encountered this week and how you would how you talked about how you wanted to educate your fire marshal or get with your fire marshals and see what the standard needs to be.
00:17:49
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, yeah this week we got, or last week we ended up getting a a little, don't to say slap on the wrist, but ah ah kind of more of a question of these three-way plug connectors, you know, ah people call them cube taps, triple taps, whatever it may be, ah that go on the end of extension cord and plug in them. And we all use it for Christmas lights at our house, whatever it may be.
00:18:11
Speaker
and They're a simple, easy way to get three-way connection to daisy chain your Lighting or whatever it may be. So fire here in the Sacramento area asked us, Hey, you know, we, we don't like these. These are what we approve, you know, all that good stuff. And, you know, I countered and said, you know, show me the code, show me what it says. So, you know, we can do one the right thing, but also understand like, is this, is this you just being a fire marshal or is this you, you know, actually interpreting the code was it as it's written out to be.
00:18:43
Speaker
So what me and my brother came up with is that, you know, next month we're going to set up, you know, two to three different high peak tents with three to two to three different ways of connecting power, whether it be with the GFIA, whether it be with the three way, a three way on an extension cord, whatever it may be.
00:19:01
Speaker
Then we'll invite the fire to look at it and say, which one do you approve and which one is the one we need to go forward with? and then we can do that so that we understand what they're asking and then we can go forward that way our crews aren't getting stopped we're not getting stopped from getting a permit over a three dollar three-way you know i mean like what's this way we can do that so sometimes it does take working with your fire officials and consistency right like all of our exit signs look the same all of our fire extinguishers look the same all of our no smoking signs look the same
00:19:32
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We're not running to different stores and grabbing stuff and it looking like we're zip tying things to, you
National Safety Initiative Proposal
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know, make it work. All of our stuff is like is is is all um cohesive in how it goes up and down. Color coordinated, all that.
00:19:46
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who Yeah. what Yeah. i'll Say about that, Kevin, is we just got a job in town because the customer called the fire marshal. because they needed some questions about permitting for the job, the whole job overall. And they said, hey, going a tank company. And the fire marshal said, call LNA because they do it right.
00:20:06
Speaker
So when you have relationships like that with the fire officials, there are times where it's in your benefit. Yeah. Because they want to have the easy inspection. They want to show up and go, oh, Made in the Shade did this, Chattanooga did this.
00:20:18
Speaker
Oh, I know it. We're good. Yeah. Yeah. the other yes though But the other issue is, too, they have no idea what they're technically doing with tents. And that's where we have to educate them. You know, I went through this 15 years ago or more.
00:20:30
Speaker
I can't remember exactly when. And it was probably more than 15 years ago with Terry Bryant when we all went to Kentucky and tried to pitch the codes and get that all approved for the model codes and everything. And and Kentucky was the first one to do that.
00:20:43
Speaker
um And now it's becoming, mo now when I'm going to permit in Kentucky, there was one guy, that guy died. Okay, so now nobody knows what they're doing in Kentucky. Well, that goes for the whole rest of the United States.
00:20:55
Speaker
Now there might be a select few, but I would have to say there's probably two to 3% of the fire marshals or safety officials that actually know what the safe standard is or what the codes are or anything like that.
00:21:07
Speaker
So like I was talking with Ian Goff the other day, um He's having to get some engineering for pole tents and submit those to Kentucky to get model codes and things like that and engineer pole tent stuff. um So it's almost coming it's almost coming full circle again 15 years or more later.
00:21:22
Speaker
um yeah We need to now that maybe Brian Bold is jumping into ARA over here for the safe tenning. Maybe that's something that he needs to start looking into as well is doing a little bit of boot camp stuff um with planners, with officials, and fire marshals, everybody, and start bringing people together in different areas. You know, whether we do it in a region and then we find people from Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, whatever, bring them into regions and invite these people to these boot camps. I know it might cost some money, but at the end of the day, if we can get everybody on board um a little bit to educate them and then if we can then do the same thing for the planners.
00:21:59
Speaker
Let's go ahead and invite these planners to some of these places and and have ah have a little bit of a show, kind of like you know the ARA show on a smaller scale with with classes and do some good networking and you know things like that.
00:22:11
Speaker
But bring everybody together to really teach them and educate them and not just educate the industry because it's not just us at Newsy Education.
Passion for Industry Safety
00:22:18
Speaker
Well, and we're not doing it because we want more work.
00:22:24
Speaker
We want to see everyone... do a good job, do it safely, and go home at the end of the day. Whether that's the guests at the wedding, the guys doing the installation, or the guys taking the installation down.
00:22:36
Speaker
None of us want to see any tank company in the national news because it only hurts all of us. So we need to just make sure that everyone tries to keep their own name out of the news. That's the goal here.
00:22:50
Speaker
I can promise you that we wouldn't be doing this podcast with everything else we have going on with our normal lives at home and at work if it wasn't because we were passionate about seeing the industry succeed as well as our businesses succeed.
00:23:01
Speaker
And so that's why we're preaching this right now. And it's not just for our paycheck, but just to preach out there, this is what we need and this is what we need people to see.
Educational Course at ATA Tent Expo
00:23:11
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Yeah.
00:23:11
Speaker
And Nate, yeah kind of going off of what you were just discussing, you know, we need to do this. We need to work with with the planners, fire officials, whatever, you know, all all parties involved, right?
00:23:22
Speaker
um One of the things that's really exciting that we're going to be doing at the ATA tent expo in January is we're going to be actually having an AHJ course, which is called, an AHJ is an authority-heavy jurisdiction. So whether it's a fire code official, building official, whoever is inspecting your tent,
00:23:41
Speaker
we're actually going to be educating them on what tenting is, what it looks like, what's ah what's a proper install, what's not, you know, with manufacturers, with some rental people and all that. So we're opening it up so that these fire people can go and understand. Because some of them, they go, I don't know what the heck a tent is. i don't know what, you know, does this pop up? You know, how does this work?
00:24:05
Speaker
What are these cablings for? is there no stake in that hole? There's so many questions that come up from them so that's one of the exciting things going forward and you know we're really working also on working with fire officials to come up with an inspection sheet that has what we think is important and what they have is important and getting between the two and coming up with one so that it's more of an a fluid thing instead of oh today i'm going to pick on your three ways but tomorrow i'm pick on your stakes and then the next going to pick on your straps
00:24:37
Speaker
Yeah. So, and then, uh, you know, I'm going to pick on your, um, F number on your flame sort of but certification, you know, and, oh, it's expired. Well, that's too bad for you. the final people didn't renew it and all those good things. So we're really working at ATA with those, those groups. And we've, we've made some really good, um, friends that have are in these organizations and are doing these, um, conferences and all that, that we are now trying to get involved in too. So,
00:25:06
Speaker
that it just makes it you know it's a lot of work on the front end but it's going to make it simple and easier for everyone all around totally think that the code official or the fire marshal is like the boogeyman they don't want to talk to him they don't want to ask questions they don't want to you know draw attention to themselves but we we're going to have to eventually yeah
00:25:28
Speaker
yeah Well, think everybody's flown under the radar for so long, and it's kind of like, it's it I mean, it's as the saying goes, you yeah ask for forgiveness, right?
Modernizing Safety Practices
00:25:36
Speaker
Then permission. And so that's always been, along with the theory of what did Kevin say this morning, that's the way we've always done it.
00:25:43
Speaker
Well. That's not the way we're doing it anymore. Damn it. Put your foot down and let's get moving forward in the right direction. Let's let's get this industry back where it needs to go and and bring everybody along with us.
00:25:54
Speaker
I mean, it was like Dan Hook said, I mean, I forgot the number that threw out there of people. think he said 20,000 or something rental people out there or our industry, the 10 people. and And it's like that's a crazy low number to me.
00:26:06
Speaker
And if we can grow this thing and show that it's this it's a badass niche business to be in, along with bringing on the safety people, we're goingnna we are legit, but we're making this way more legit now than it's ever been.
00:26:19
Speaker
And we just got to keep moving in that
Addressing Unsafe Practices on Social Media
00:26:21
Speaker
direction. But this shit we're seeing on social media, I'm sorry for all the cussing today, but I'm just fired up about it. This stuff that we're seeing on social media over the past 24, 48 hours,
00:26:31
Speaker
You guys got to get this stuff figured out. You can't keep doing this. I mean, you're just you're not hurting yourself. You're hurting the industry. And that's what my point of this is. I got one for
Tent Anchoring: Water Weights vs. Concrete
00:26:40
Speaker
you guys. We had somebody call in for an inquiry for a seven or eight month rental at an elementary school.
00:26:49
Speaker
And they get these tents every year. And I don't know whether this company is around anymore or what's going on. They asked for 20 by 30 and a 20 by 35. So it's underneath the 400 square foot or whatever, you know, it's underneath where permitting and fire needs to come into place.
00:27:07
Speaker
They also said, oh yeah, we need to use water weights and all these, all these requests. And i'm like, Okay, company, whoever did it before, they flew under the radar. They just did what they could.
00:27:19
Speaker
It's at a school. There's kids under this thing. Like, are you kidding me? Like, that is cutting corners right there. And we are like, here's our here's what we can do. We're going either block it or anchor it, whatever you want to do.
00:27:33
Speaker
But that waterway is not going to be an option at this at this point. Well, now you got me fired up, Kevin. What are you doing that? yeah Facebook, there was a post, the guy was like, I can't use, I can't stake in concrete, and one guy commented, don't listen to everyone here who's going to say you have to use concrete, you know, you could use water barrels, and I just responded, ah there's science behind why everyone's going to say you should use concrete, and he totally dismissed it And he was like, oh, you guys don't know what you're talking about. I'm like, okay, you know what? If that's your opinion, but there's science and there's studies that have gone into Well, now you can use water barrels. I mean, but it takes triple, quadruple the amount of water as it does concrete. So you're doing yourself a disservice to use the water because of the amount you have to use. And at the end of the day, you could have just done it with a block.
00:28:26
Speaker
Yeah. Right. That block is going to be 500 pounds today, tomorrow, and into the future. That water weight going to be 500 pounds, and then it's going to go to 498 within the first 30 minutes. You know, it's going to start evaporating and losing its thing. And you're right. there are There are ways. There are ballasts out there that are water ballasts that are engineered specifically made for tenting that you can use. That is that is not the problem. It's the...
00:28:50
Speaker
drums with the rope been all those kinds of things. And it's just, just not the, shouldn't be your first option. Well, and that's also a hit too. Like, you know just just saying that you're using concrete is not the is not the way to go either. I mean, now that we're seeing these, there's another company that posted another picture or that that we got circling here that it's, ah I'd say that's probably a six meter structure, right?
00:29:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's six meter structure and they bought Home Depot buckets and filled them with concrete. And I'm guessing that's concrete in there, but I can't tell from the picture. It might be sand for all I know. um But you're putting...
00:29:26
Speaker
You're putting Home Depot buckets on the side of your tent legs at, it looks like a three meter leg, six meter, three meter base, three meter tall leg, and you're putting these five gallon buckets of whatever is in there, maybe concrete in there, that's not it.
00:29:41
Speaker
Now let's go back to the ballast end again. i mean, it's the same damn thing as we're talking about, about engineered floors and everything else. so It's safety. It's going to blow away. It'll kill somebody. I mean, I saw that that tent and many, many, many years ago that I think it was a 30 or 40 meter, and it just picked the damn thing up and flipped it on its head, um you know, and then it because it wasn't properly done. um So it's just like, what are we doing?
00:30:03
Speaker
Move forward and put being the fastest and the cheapest guy. Do the best quality work for the price that it needs to be and keep putting that product out there. I can guarantee you will get business. It's not about your numbers anymore. and It can't be about the numbers. These big companies out there, a lot of them are just looking at their bottom line for the year, not the per job cost.
Call for Industry Safety Improvement
00:30:22
Speaker
And it's it's just going to affect everybody over time. And I mean, if you want to get in, make a buck and get out, get out faster so we don't have to deal with all your issues you're causing for our industry. yeah yeah or come in here and help out and make this industry better and then you can get the hell out but don't ruin it for us and then try and get the hell out yeah exactly right my reign's over for the day now i got that all out of there the bitterness of poor quality the the bitterness of poor quality long remains after the sweetness of low prices is forgotten
00:30:56
Speaker
Yes, sir. That's
Closing Remarks and Engagement Call
00:30:58
Speaker
it. And we're gonna end on that as well. So I appreciate you guys coming on today, Kyle, Kevin. It's always good to see you guys. and Always good to see you. instead of under the vinyl As always, though, can't forget, please like, subscribe, um and rate us on any platforms that you can find ah that you find us on. It helps us a ton, and we want to keep getting this stuff out there, not just for our our own, um, likes and things like that, but for this industry as well as a whole to make it known and really get our voices heard out there. So thank you again. And this has been another episode under the vinyl.
00:31:34
Speaker
Stay safe guys.