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S2 Ep123: Talkcast - September
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Join Dave and Jake they crack open some of this month's gaming news in the latest Talkcast episode!
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Intro, Jokes, and Donut Stories
00:00:30
Speaker
Here my crew don't know the feet All we know is how to beat the brakes Hope for anybody out there tryin' to stop the cheese There's nobody stoppin' me His legs are cobbly and I'ma put this mic Through they face for tryin' to mock me be Until we fallin' out, breakin' along We out of control, we down the road
00:00:50
Speaker
How's it going, everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake. I'm joined by my co-host, as always, Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave? It is going one white claw. It's not a donut. It is not a donut. We did go over this, yes. I'm glad that you are learning about the world of alcohol through me.
00:01:11
Speaker
I also saw the can in the camera. So that was the reminder. It's like, ah, physically not a donut. If anything, it's cylindrical. Well, I mean, arguably donuts are semi cylindrical. It would have to have, what was it? I'm trying to remember what I'm trying to think of. It has a single hole. You can reshape anything if it has one hole to be a donut shape. It was like, what was the difference?
00:01:41
Speaker
Ah, like a spherical cow is the line that Sigma says in Overwatch.
00:01:48
Speaker
Anyways, I'm going to let you roll with this while I have some vague confusion. Buy me some time where I look at spherical cow and figure out it's a humorous metaphor for highly simplified scientific models of complex real life phenomena. That's what I was trying to say. So thank you guys. Also, thanks again for doing one of those. Hey, Dave, buy me some time here. I was trying to cue up like a good story and actually thought of one in the moment. Well, we can listen to your story.
00:02:19
Speaker
OK, so anyway, this must have been at college time. Let's see if I can make my makeshift recycling bin. Uh huh. Hey, it sounded like you made the shot. Yeah, I'm glad it came through.
00:02:33
Speaker
So this must've been college times. We were back home on break, meeting up with some friends, hanging out, just texting people at like seven PM, like, what are you up to? Right. Do you want to hang out? If I was somebody who smoked at the time would have been be like, just go to the park and ask for cigarettes or just hang out. Hmm.
00:02:54
Speaker
I just miss the days of like parking lots and the lights. Like you're walking through like red nerves or something, just getting food, spending like five bucks and just hanging out with your peeps. Right. But my friend at the time.
00:03:09
Speaker
I'd say still a friend, though I haven't talked to him recently. His dad was working at the Dunkin Donuts overnight. He's like, hey, you know what we should do? We should drive over. And like, my dad can get us some fresh donuts. I'm like, I've never even comprehended of that thought. I've only known like, you get them from the store, you're at the other side of the store, and they're as fresh as however long they were made ago, which is usually not terribly.
00:03:36
Speaker
So we go over there. He's like, hey, I'll be right back. I'm like, okay.
00:03:40
Speaker
And it was like 15 or 20 minutes. But when he came back, he had a powdered jelly donut and he panted to me and it was warm and it was so messy, but dear God, it was tasty. Okay, I was wondering where the association was gonna come back in, like where your mind linked up. It's a donut association. Yes, it was. That's good. I have a follow-up donut story, very similar.
00:04:08
Speaker
I went to Dunkin' Donuts at the end of the day, which is not when you should get donuts because they're gonna be the least fresh, but it is when you should get donuts because the guy's just like, do you want all of the donut, do you want some donut holes? I'm like, sure.
Food Talk: Cornbread and Chili Debates
00:04:23
Speaker
And he's like, great. And he like just starts handing me bags. I've got like a surplus, an irresponsible amount of calories.
00:04:33
Speaker
in and about my person and brought those home. So that's the story. If you ever want to be king of the apartment, the home, whatever, if you get somewhere near the end of their shift, they're like, we literally can't keep this until the next day. So you get everything. Yeah. Oh, yes. I feel like I don't know if it's what the prerequisite is for some people. I think like just not being a douchebag to the person
00:05:02
Speaker
Which is really easy to do, by the way. She's like, hey, how's it going? Could I grab some donuts, please? Wow, look at that. Great example. I mean, some people just have really efficient builds where they didn't invest any points in social etiquette at character creation. But it's fine. They allocated the points somewhere else. It's understandable. I will buy their loyalty later. I rule through fear.
00:05:32
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it's a good it's been a while. I guess we had as far as sweets though. The wife made some cornbread cookies. I heard about that. How were those? They're really good. Are they more cornbread or more cookie?
00:05:50
Speaker
They feel, I mean, like the texture is cornbread, but everything else about it is cookie. It tastes. What does that mean? It's like, so the closest thing would basically be, I guess like a sugar cookie is the texture more or less. It's not crazy sweet, but it definitely is more sweet than just like cornbread, which is already kind of sweet, right?
00:06:11
Speaker
What I'm hearing is you ate a sugar cookie. It's not as sweet as a sugar cookie. It's a little more on the cornbread side, but they are pretty good. Did you ever have Chi Chi's cornbread? I don't think so. It was a restaurant chain that definitely went out of business by now, but they also had little packs at the store where you could make it at home, but it was a much more sweet cornbread mix. I would rather have that for dessert than most desserts.
00:06:42
Speaker
Yeah, I like I like the like standard sweetness of cornbread, I think, like as a dessert. If you have some cornbread, maybe like put it in some milk or something. So good. Yeah. And this is also coming from people who would legitimately just eat bread as well. I don't think anybody's like, fuck bread, cornbread, though. Right. Cornbread is great. You can put it in the chili. You can have it adjacent to the chili.
00:07:10
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I'm one of those people who's entirely fine with disseminating the cornbread into the chili. And it's like this solid mass of meal and meat. Yeah, hell yeah. It's a good texture. I think it's I think it's the better texture to eat with a spoon than a standard chili. Cornbread just makes it a little bit better.
00:07:32
Speaker
These are my hot takes. So next time you guys do the cornbread cookies, how about you go to Wendy's, get their chili and you dip a little bit. That would be interesting because they don't have like an overtly sweet chili, but it's pretty good.
00:07:56
Speaker
Freakin' family pack. It's always hilarious going through with two people and be like, we're just gonna family size chili. We just really like chili. And this is the most economically efficient way for us to order it here. It's legitimately good. Like it's not the best chili I've ever had. But I've never been like,
Podcast Format and Philosophical Discussions
00:08:15
Speaker
fuck Wendy's chili. Always had a good time. It's much better than just like heating something up from a can, right? So.
00:08:23
Speaker
Yeah, it beats any type of canned chillier soup.
00:08:28
Speaker
So thank you, friend of the show, Wendy's, for sponsorship now. No, man, someday. We'll reach out to them on Twitter. Their Twitter is pretty active, so see if we can get some of their money. Yeah, let's use our Twitter account to do so. All right. By the way, new addition to the outro, please check out our Twitter handle. This doesn't exist. Yes. That's some podcasts at Twitter.com. Yeah. No, that one probably exists, actually. Unused Twitter handle.
00:08:59
Speaker
Anyways, so this is usually the part where we talk about things that we talk about for the top cast episodes. Sometimes news, sometimes games, what we've been playing, stuff's going on. I really like top cast, actually. I think like I've been like trying to push them for like a long time. And then we kind of settled on the monthly format, which is pretty balanced. I get that.
00:09:27
Speaker
but I'm slowly trying to move away from games and it's just gonna be like, I'll be sitting on the couch and you'll have a therapist notepad and that'll be the show.
00:09:38
Speaker
We could totally do a deep dive on one of us. If you were to do both, it was like, OK, it's cool. But now my thing for the second half hour. Right, yeah. Could you? I'm just imagining seeing that pop up as the episode. It's just like Soapstone, episode 223, Dave. There's a game called Dave. I feel that'd be weird for somebody to tune in and be like,
00:10:08
Speaker
I really like hearing about like games and sometimes some other random bullshit. I want to get to know them as people. Right. Yeah. Because usually the listeners are people who we know as people. Yeah. But what's funny is like in a dialogue format, you can go, I guess, deeper than you could as long like when you have more people engage in conversation, I would say.
00:10:28
Speaker
It's rare to have a group of monk friends where you're like, all right, let's talk about our feelings. That's not usually something that goes beyond a couple of people. It doesn't come up in standard conversation. I was talking to an Irish guy on the other Discord late one evening. I say late. It was late for me, which means it was super fucking late for him. That's the six hour time difference.
00:10:55
Speaker
Yeah. But he was drinking, I was drinking and I found out that he was a Christian and I was like, oh, do tell. Right. So we were talking about just beliefs and philosophies and going back and forth and it was really pleasant because we were just sharing our thoughts and opinions. I was counteracting with just questions, just trying to get to know his beliefs better. Yeah.
00:11:23
Speaker
and the logical fallacies of anything that is religion, but just here in his day. Cause at the end of the day, it's a subjective matter, but it's nice to hear that stuff from somebody and get to know them better. It is really nice. Like we've talked about our like religious backgrounds a bit, probably not as much on the podcast, but at least it really hasn't come up with the podcast. But like,
00:11:51
Speaker
That's not really as much of my life anymore, obviously. I have different beliefs and things like that. But from the perspective of talking to someone who's still on that path and still shares some of those beliefs, it's kind of got this weird reassuring slash comfortable feel to it because you guys share roots, right? It can be somebody on the completely opposite side of the world, but you still
00:12:15
Speaker
share some, even if you don't believe the beliefs, you came from a similar place in a way. It's like finding somebody who went to your hometown. Exactly. Who went to, sorry, lived in your hometown over up there. Oh, you visited my hometown once? That's cool. Yeah. No, it's definitely, it's definitely cool to have those interactions.
00:12:38
Speaker
It happened more, I'd say, when I was a teenager. And the internet was this wide world that I would really interact with complete strangers in meaningful ways. But it was more of like discovering, oh, there are other people out there who are wildly different from me. Who are they? Why are they? Why are you the way that you are? And I would like this to ask people. But now it's less surprising because there is a whole wealth of people.
00:13:08
Speaker
Different backgrounds, beliefs. That's freaking crazy, man. It's freaking crazy. The other thing that's crazy is that Undertale is having their five-year anniversary.
00:13:25
Speaker
It's been five years since you played that game and like four years and probably 10 months since I played that game. That's right, you late starger you. And I still started before everybody else. I just was like, no, Dave was actually right about that.
00:13:45
Speaker
Yeah, I don't even know how I got turned on to that at the time. I'm surprised it has been. Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah. Thank you, subreddits. Yeah, I'm surprised it's been five years. It feels like I've, it's been like a decade or something.
00:14:06
Speaker
I mean, the graphics were like black and white for the most part. So, you know, it's been, it's been, it feels like it's been, I'm just with a terrible sense of time overall, but are they doing anything to celebrate the five year anniversary?
Celebrating Undertale and Gaming News
00:14:20
Speaker
So you can look it up, or we can try to remember to put a link to it when we post this to Facebook. But there is an anniversary concert, which I haven't listened to the whole thing because I have the attention span of a fly. But it was pretty great, easy listening.
00:14:38
Speaker
some really unique takes on some of the tracks. And obviously, if you've listened to the Undertale soundtrack at all, and you have, if you've listened to this podcast, because we made you, then check it out. It's ridiculously cool. And there's a little annoying dog plushy up on the stage for the concert. It's freaking great. I love annoying dogs.
00:15:05
Speaker
It's really crazy to think like, I think one of the reasons it feels like it's been so long since Undertale came out is because it's like a touchstone game where it's like this, as soon as you play it, feels like it's formative for your gaming experience, right? And probably that part of that's because we came in without a crazy amount of hype, so allowed to build towards that. But man, I can't think of
00:15:35
Speaker
a game that's more emotionally impactful, really, to me. Still than like Undertale. I mean, second three, but have your own opinions. Multiplayer, obviously. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think that's part of it, at least, though.
00:15:56
Speaker
I've always been a huge Toby Fox fan, as I've professed many times throughout podcast history, on and off the podcast. If you like him. I can't wait for more stuff. If you do like him, he actually plays on the piano some of the Undertale tracks at the end. And he's not good, but you can feel the soul. He mixes some of them in real time a little bit on the piano. It's freaking great.
00:16:25
Speaker
And then Deltarune. So if you do like his content, this is more of his content. And that's coming, it's supposed to come out this year, according to my notes. And my head, I thought it was 2021. Yeah, earlier you did say next year when we were talking before. And I was like, it says 2020, but we'll sort that out. Yeah, either now or later.
00:16:52
Speaker
Yeah, I also really enjoyed that. It's still kind of up for debate whether or not it's a continuation or where exactly it fits into the Undertale universe. But there's definitely some ties. Yeah, I looked it up. It's supposed to be by the end of this year. So that's pretty good. Maybe 2020 won't be the worst year after all. AKA it will be, but there will be a silver lining of Deltarune part two. Yeah.
00:17:22
Speaker
No, it's pretty freaking great. If you guys haven't heard it, you can go back and listen to our Undertale episode. It's one of the earlier ones, but we gush about it even more for that than we just did. So freaking good. Other stuff in the news. Microsoft bought Bethesda for, and I think I'm reading this right, seven and one half billion dollars
00:17:53
Speaker
which is money, a lot of it, a lot of money. It is a large scale of money, as I don't make that much yet, nor will I ever. That's $7,000 million and a half. That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot of money. And these people made Fallout 76.
00:18:18
Speaker
So like, what's going on here? AKA, why do they have so much money or why do they wear so much? I mean, it's like, that's kind of the joke, I guess, is maybe this is just tax laundering in some way of $7 billion. No, I mean, it's the full thing. So it includes ZeniMax, all of Bethesda's publishing, they're developing. So Doom.
00:18:46
Speaker
But that was a published Doom, which people liked, I think. Did you like Doom? I did like Doom. I like both Domes. They're pretty freaking good. What are they planning to do with it? Or is it just to have license for all the IP?
00:19:06
Speaker
I think the popular, it's basically the IP is my understanding, but also more sway over their publishing options. So this will let them push things to the Xbox and then maybe a delay or simultaneous release to the PC, but then timed exclusivity before going to like the PlayStation, which is probably a good call because
00:19:31
Speaker
I mean, I'm not really a PlayStation fanboy, but I just don't know why you would buy an Xbox. So, like, yeah, shrug. Real talk. Like, the only people I know who are like, oh, I got Xbox, were either people who don't actively game, and they're just kind of like want it for some latest greatest shooter, like Halo or Call of Duty or whatever, what I have, Battlefield. Like sports stuff, too. That, too.
00:19:57
Speaker
Oh, I'll get like a racing game for when my nephew comes by type thing. Yeah. But more often than not, it's people who are like, I really like Halo. So whatever that comes out on next, I'll just keep playing that because I've enjoyed the series. Right.
00:20:12
Speaker
But if you're not one of those two people, what the fuck? Like PlayStation has such a good diverse range of games. Like I've tried new things that I liked. You got some like action platformers and like Ratchet and Clank, LittleBigPlanet, God of Wars on there, Last of Us. Uncharted? Yeah. It's got like a lot of fun, interesting titles. It's got fighting games. Xbox doesn't really do that so much outside of
00:20:44
Speaker
Soul Calibur, right? It was on all of them. Soul Calibur is cross-platform. I'm blanking on the Xbox fight. There's a Microsoft one. Yeah. It's less popular, but it's still pretty cool. Right. Which is not known for having like crazy specific inputs for certain things.
00:21:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much that's pretty much where I'm at, too. You can look back at our podcast episodes and be like the only console exclusive games that they've covered are PlayStation games. And again, this is partially influenced by the fact that neither of us have Xbox, but still maybe not completely. I mean, it's safe to say at a point we will probably be talking about Halo. Yeah. Once that pack goes on sale. Yeah.
00:21:31
Speaker
That would basically be the way to do it. Or if you wanted to play without buying the full pack outright, you could pick up the Xbox Game Pass, which is the next topic. You can tell because I start talking slowly.
00:21:50
Speaker
Well, actually you have this voice where you're going to start segueing. This is the segue voice where I make sure that my switch to the other rail is convenient and I don't slip and lose my balance. The key word to change rails is, but actually. But actually the Xbox game path. So the only reason I have this on here, again, we don't really get paid by Microsoft.
00:22:14
Speaker
And by not really, I mean, we don't pay. We don't get paid by anyone. I was looking at this because I don't care about game passes pretty much at all. I had the Sony thing for a while so I could play Bloodborne multiplayer.
00:22:32
Speaker
which again, I didn't really use. Well, this is the Sony's online for PlayStation, right? Right, so like there's Xbox Live and Sony PlayStation Plus. Right, yeah. And this is separate. This is like the actual game pass, but I didn't really look into it until recently. And as it turns out, for 10 bucks a month, you get access to a stupid number of AAA titles, including things that have come out really recently, like Crusader Kings III, the whole Halo series,
00:23:02
Speaker
like Final Fantasy games, the recent ones, Plague Tale, Estroneer, all that crap, Carrion, and stuff that's going to come out from Bethesda now that Microsoft owns them. And it struck me that this isn't actually insane.
00:23:24
Speaker
Do you feel that you're now drinking the Kool-Aid because it seems OK? Yeah, maybe a little bit. It feels like a betrayal in a way, right? Like we both have pretty extensive Steam libraries. And even before then, you know, we had physical games. And this is even more a step from that. Like games can be removed from this list. But it still feels like a pretty good deal if you were otherwise going to like
00:23:52
Speaker
buy two retail games for like $120. Yeah, exactly. Because like I feel guilty if I buy three retail games in a month, which is very rare now because there's so much to play. Yeah, there's no time to play those. But like for 10 bucks basically have the latest Bethesda stuff and this huge catalog of really good games.
00:24:18
Speaker
a month. It doesn't seem crazy anymore. Yeah, it's literally the Netflix strategy where like you kind of are just looking for, hey, what's the flavor of the month? That's something I want to check out because I want to play a game. I know which one per se. Oh, these ones are popular and available. Cool. Let me do that.
00:24:36
Speaker
Versus, oh, I got to play this new game. I now own it. I don't know if I'm going to necessarily play it again, but I have it forever. Right. So I mean, I do that for some things. Part of it is just to have it. But at the same time, like I'm not going to go back and play a lot of those games. My hope is that I can maybe like give it to somebody else, like say, hey, you play this now.
00:25:02
Speaker
Speaking of, by the way, I let a friend borrow God of War. I'm like, hey, dude, should borrow God of War. It's really good. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah. I give the box and everything. I finally turn on my PlayStation to play Detroit Become Human. The disc that pops out might have been God of War. Really? Yeah. So I feel like an asshole. But I need to like text and be like, hey, I didn't mean to like passive aggressively be a dick to you. I am so sorry.
00:25:30
Speaker
Also, pay no attention to the DVD of like Big Booty Babes 15. That was in the case of our God of War. Needless to say, God of War is a much harder fap. I'm just hoping he hasn't gotten around to try playing it yet. Or if he just he did, he assumed that I'm dumb and not malicious. Yeah.
00:25:54
Speaker
Oh, that's pretty funny, actually. Where do you sit, though? Like, would you rather own games so you have the option to go back for them later? Or... Now we're playing Would You Rather? It was the middle of the episode thing. Fuck Mary Kill. Right. It's tough. I mean, we've already, like, lost in some ways some ground on the physical space. I kind of like disks for console.
00:26:24
Speaker
And so I prefer it that way. Like when I got you the copy of Detroit, it was 15 bucks on Amazon, because it was just like, here's a physical copy of a game no one's buying. Like, all right, sounds good with me. And you don't really get those in a purely digital space, but sometimes you get like really good steam deals and epics giving stuff away all the time.
Game Subscriptions vs. Ownership
00:26:49
Speaker
The thing, this is the part I'm not sure on is the rotating games. Because what if I was like, and this is mostly psychological, I'm like, all right, I'm going to play Halo 3. And then I start it, and I get halfway through, and I'm like, I'm going to shelve it for a bit, play an MMO, and come back. And then they're like, Halo 3 is going to rotate at the end of the month or whatever. You lose it. That sense of loss might
00:27:17
Speaker
be the only thing really holding me back there. So two things. I can't imagine you're going to want to play Halo 3 enough to play it and then just going to be like, eh, I'm going to go do MMO and not touch Halo 3 again for a month. Right. And two, for at least that example, for how popular it is, I don't think they're going to just shelve it and be like, well, it's only Halo 2 now. You got to wait. Halo might have been a bad example. It could be like Final Fantasy or Astroneer or something else.
00:27:47
Speaker
I guess the question to me would be how much of your Steam library would you be willing to lose if you only had to pay 10 bucks a month to get like most new games that come out on Steam?
00:28:05
Speaker
Honestly, I only go back for nostalgia. Yeah, like I definitely will play through Undertale again. Maybe I will try and do a genocide run for realsies and actually push through. Maybe some other games where I just really enjoyed or maybe something that I want to kind of dredge up the multiplayer for with people. Right. But for the most part, it's a once and done like I'm never going to go back and do.
00:28:33
Speaker
My god, how do I forget the name of games all the time? What's the high school girls club game? Doki Doki. Doki Doki. Yeah. That's a one time experience. Right. Where the experience is playing through the first time. You're not going to get the same draw from going back. That's fair actually. So that could have been a subscription type thing where I played it because it's also not that long. Right. So that's a perfect example.
00:29:03
Speaker
I think that's a good take, actually. That's probably the most compelling psychological take. And really, if you're using the game past most months and just playing the games you want mostly once, for those games that really stuck out, stuck out, stuck out for forever, you're like, if you really wanted to always go back to it, you could just buy it, right? Like you could still get it from
00:29:28
Speaker
that just purchase a copy, which probably would still save you money if you're picking up a game every two months or something like that. I don't know exactly what the math would be. We'll go to the spreadsheet later. But the reason I put this here was because I expected to hate it. And then I saw that it was some games that I was paying full price for.
00:29:52
Speaker
I was like, I don't hate this. This is probably evil in some way, and I'm eating it. I mean, even if you try and cheat the system where you do something with Netflix, you're like, well, I'm going to sign up for Netflix only for a month, which I mean, if you're just doing it the first time, it'd be free for that month. You're like, I'm going to watch as many movies as possible. The HBO strat. Yeah. Or it's either that or be like, hey, what's your HBO code? Can I just watch two Game of Thrones? OK, thanks. Yeah.
00:30:22
Speaker
Then you're locked out when the show goes live. You're just like, ah, I'll kill him. I mean, it's, it depends on what you want your cost savings to be. Cause most people are just going to let this ride, right? Like they'll just pay the 10 bucks for forever. Like PSN. I still have a gym subscription. It's been seven months. Mm-hmm.
00:30:49
Speaker
To be fair, it's $5 a month, so we'll be OK. But I'm definitely pissing money down the drain. We did cancel. And they've been sending me emails, be like, come back. Our facilities are super safe. Every email, they're like, super safe, super safe. I'm like, that's not why I wasn't going. Yes, that was point one. But two, not as safe as me not going. I don't care.
00:31:16
Speaker
Like, if you're pressure washing the thing after I get off of it, and you probably should, it's still not as safe as me just being here. Yeah, it's like...
00:31:29
Speaker
It's always interesting to see a business's approach to separate or distance themselves from whatever the issue at hand is. It's like, oh, there's some political discourse over here. Just so you know, we're on your side, guys. Yeah. Or like, we offer outdoor seating. Do you want us to deliver to you? We'll bring you the food.
00:31:49
Speaker
Yeah, no, I don't mean to say it's like a shady business strategy because like they are a business and that's how they make their money, right? It's this sort of like declare bankruptcy, right? I like the switches like
00:32:02
Speaker
Yeah. No, they justify it. I still get emails from that gym, by the way. Yeah. Telling you to come back. I'm like, how do they still have my email? Also, when I moved over here, it was obviously not viable to keep going to that gym. Yeah. So I said like, hey, I'd like to cancel my thing. They're like, oh, you're going to have to talk to so-and-so. No, they said you have to come in person and fill out a thing. I'm like,
00:32:30
Speaker
That's like over half an hour away. I'm not doing that. Like, well, then we can't really do the thing. I'm like, is there somebody else I can talk to? They're like, well, not really. I said, you can find a way to do it. And I'm, and I used air quotes over the phone. So they knew I was serious. Um, or I'll just literally cancel the payment and you'll be at the money anyway, make it happen.
00:32:52
Speaker
And they're like, OK. And then the manager called me. He's like, oh, hey, we'll let you know. Everything's fine. We canceled your account. We hope you'll come back with us. I'm like, oh, interesting how that magically happened. Cool.
00:33:03
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's terrible. That is a shady thing, though, in comparison. Yeah. So we printed out the cancellation and then shipped it to California. Please forward this chain letter before canceling your gym. I mean, gyms, what they'll do a lot of the time is they'll have the management only in for like an hour a day. And they're the ones that have the sign off to actually cancel. That's called...
00:33:33
Speaker
It's like the mail-in coupons, right? Mm-hmm. 99% of people are not going to go through the effort to do that for that mail-in rebate. Yeah. But in the back of their head, they'll be like, well, it's an option I could do, or I'd save 20 bucks. So it is a little bit cheaper. I'm more likely to do this purchase. And then they do it, and they're like, I don't have to fucking mail something. And it doesn't happen. Yeah. So that is a great business strategy, although a little shady. Right.
00:34:00
Speaker
So remember, guys, send in your mail-in rebates. That's the
Game Releases and Early Access Concerns
00:34:04
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lesson for this episode. Please mail in your coupons as I throw out my clippers that I get once a week. What else we got here? Hades came out officially. And if you've been abstaining, like some sort of crazy person or someone with anti-epic game store morals,
00:34:30
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You could pick it up on Steam. And Switch, I believe. Yes, also Switch. I don't know if it dropped the same day or if it has a different Switch release date. This is a minor aside. We'll definitely get to Hades in a second. But they did an AMA on Hades. And Darren Korb was answering questions and stuff. Someone asked about his audio setup. And he said that he had used the Scarlett, the exact same model, basically, that I have. And I'm like, yeah.
00:35:00
Speaker
This is my end. I can be the next year in court. No. If you email him and just say like, hey, we do a podcast. It's a premise. We do have a scarlet. Right. And then give him the lean in eyebrow raise. It's email, right? Yeah. I'll just an asterisk. Ask the art. Oh my gosh.
00:35:22
Speaker
Maybe I still need to play 1.0 though Because now the game actually does have a formal ending. Yeah, whereas before you beat whatever the
00:35:34
Speaker
latest boss was before the end of content. And then the announcer would say, or the narrator would say something to the effect of like, would you believe that Zagreus then slipped on a beetle and fell to his death? Or something like that. That's funny. Very tongue in cheek of like, we're still working on the game. But this is as far as we have right now.
00:35:55
Speaker
Yeah. It's been so good. And now some people are like, is it good? I'm like, I've been saying yes. It was good when it came out in early access. It's significantly better as a fully released game. So yeah, they've done a lot with it. Give it a look. See, it's it's ridiculous.
00:36:18
Speaker
I mean, we've covered literally every single Supergiant game, including this one. I feel that Supergiant and FromSoft going forward. I mean, obviously, we've been pretty big fans, but I imagine still covering their games as they come out. Right. That'd be safe to say. I feel like that's probably safe, yeah. Clip it. Clip it. He fucking agreed to it. Now, the thing is, I would have to get a PlayStation for...
00:36:44
Speaker
the Demon's Souls remake. If it's PS5 exclusive, I don't know if I want to do a whole console jump just for that. Yeah, apparently there was a miscommunication and so people, they said it was going to be like PS5 and PC, which I thought was going to be the case because of the miscommunication, but it's either timed exclusive or actual exclusive. I'm not sure.
00:37:06
Speaker
Oh, I assumed it was exclusive and didn't hear anything about PC. Yeah. If an option presents itself later, would like to play it because I never actually played the OG. Oh, yeah. Freakin' good stuff. Yeah, I don't really like Roguelikes all that much most of the time, and Hades is ridiculously good. So there is my recommend. Even Jakes, no. Even demons.
00:37:35
Speaker
Another thing here, Baldur's Gate 3, which we've talked about several times. I'm a little less hyped about it than I was in the past. They pushed their early access back from September 30th to October 6th. And this is their early access release, so they were like, come to Steam, be like, hey, you can now play the game as we continue to make it. I'm not huge on that for RPGs, especially narrative RPGs.
00:38:00
Speaker
I'd really rather wait. But even from like the short demo they showed, it looks good. I feel like I would enjoy playing it with people, similar to a divinity. I think there's, and this could be a question to you. Do you feel like it takes something from the launch of the game? If you wait to pick it up, but it's launched into early access,
00:38:31
Speaker
Are you saying that I would pick it up after it was fully released? Yeah. So if you waited for it to come out of early access, but psychologically you knew that you could play the early access version of it whenever, does it de-hype the launch for you at all? No. Here's my analogy for that in general and why I would want to wait.
00:38:55
Speaker
So let's say I talk to my mom, I call her on the phone to catch up and she's like, are you alive? Are you eating well? And general mom questions. My mom tells me a story.
00:39:06
Speaker
I want to hear that same story from every fucking member of the family regardless because it's family news or what have you. So I'd rather wait until like the family events to socialize with my family and hear it once and hear the full complete version where someone says, Oh, you forgot the piece about, okay, I now know all the facets of this story. Instead of hearing it from my mom, my dad, my grandfather, my grand, my uncle, my aunt, and it's like different versions each time.
00:39:37
Speaker
So I guess the question, to use your analogy though, and like relates the question, does it take anything away knowing that that story is being passed around to all these other people before you hear it? If you're just choosing to like hang up on your mom as soon as she starts talking about the story, you're like, no, I'll hear this. Wait until Christmas slam.
00:39:59
Speaker
Maybe it's not the best analogy in that regard. But I'd rather hear or experience the completed thing for something that is narrative. Because I wouldn't want to hear part of the story and be like, oh, well, actually, Harry Potter's backstory is that he's gay and in a wheelchair. You read the recent, the rewrite. I mean, he wasn't before, but OK.
00:40:23
Speaker
Give me the fully gay and paralyzed Harry Potter. Right, from the get-go. From the get-go. Instead of paralyzing him and... That's when the joke is in the go and I started laughing because it's a funny thought. Yeah, you know, gay conversion therapy. Yeah.
00:40:43
Speaker
Pence is four that I heard. Yeah, I mean, for me, I will say it takes something out of it for like a story game. So Hades is kind of an exception because it's entirely single player. And
00:40:59
Speaker
If it's narrative, it's hard to really be spoiled on Hades. He either does or does not escape Hades, and then everything else is character interactions, right? Well, yeah, but here's the thing. I played it fairly early on. So there was a certain amount, there was a limit to content that I could experience at that time, right? So we maybe got chapter one of the story, and then it stopped. And then it went and built on, like, hey, here's also chapter two.
00:41:28
Speaker
So that was iterative in that regard. So it felt like every time I went to go back for another patch, I was getting more.
00:41:36
Speaker
So that kind of had me going back. Now, so if they follow that model where it's like, hey, we've added the next chapter, I could see that. But if they're like tweaking general things, I feel like that's kind of weird. And that was my assumption for my analogy of they're going to kind of like change things on you versus just add to it. I mean, Hades is a roguelike compared to like a
00:42:04
Speaker
Not necessarily linear, but story-wise linear game. So restarting a run in Hades in a new patch is not drastically different than just starting a run in Hades. That's
Social Games During the Pandemic
00:42:17
Speaker
not a heavy commitment. Making new save games in an RPG that might be 40 hours or whatever is much more of a commitment because they added quests back at the beginning of the game. I'm not in for that. That's dumb to me. And it takes something from it for me
00:42:32
Speaker
If my other friends that were excited for this game choose to play the early access version, and then they've already like seen the game, and then we're like, all right, let's do the co-op play through now that Jake's finally picked it up in 20, like 30. And yeah. That's why I let my friends play games. That's the way to do it, really. If there's anything I think we can agree that we're against, we try not to take political stances. Obviously here we have a very diverse listening base.
00:43:02
Speaker
but we hate playing video games. That's true. Speaking of hating playing video games, are you going to tangent to the point that I'm looking at? That's my question. Here's the question. This is the question to Dave. Why are the games fall guys and among us huge right now?
00:43:25
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analyze. Okay, so these are both very simple games with like, no barrier of entry. Okay.
00:43:35
Speaker
literally none. Like anybody can learn how to do a platformer kind of or do what starts off as like fairly simple deception. Right. They're also really fun to play with friends. Because it's a low barrier of entry, you kind of get anybody in at ground level. And you have varied experiences where some of it is skill. I would argue that Among Us is entirely skill. But also it's different for who you're playing with.
00:44:05
Speaker
Also, it's so fucking easily streamable. Like I see YouTube videos and streams for it constantly. Yeah, it is pretty entertaining to watch people. I got to say, like, I don't know why, but I still watch Among Us videos. It's like somebody just like thinking quietly to themselves, talking to their stream and then being like, I didn't kill that person in the in the lights room. Yeah.
00:44:30
Speaker
Have you played either of these yet? I have played neither of them, but I have seen gameplay for both of them to answer your question. So I'm guessing you don't have interest to play them. Of the two among us, I have more interest in. I'm not completely sold on it for picking it up. I don't usually play really like party games, which is what I thought these kind of were, right? Like this is the part that's a little confusing to me is like Jackbox has been around
00:44:59
Speaker
There's other games that are low barrier to entry or like free to play or whatever. And these exploded where I didn't really see other games that were kind of similar to this also exploding, like even the hidden role games, like Deceit, I think is free on scene. And yeah, there's more mechanically to it. Like you mentioned, maybe that's the difference. Yeah, it's not. It's definitely less simple. Hmm.
00:45:28
Speaker
Among Us is really straightforward. It's like keyboard and mouse.
00:45:36
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The art's pretty light hearted. Right. And like kind of soft and cartoony. It looks janky in some ways. I literally I thought it was someone had debug mode on or something where it showed all the like the client settings up and like the left side of the screen and just plain text. Like not that's just how it is. No, it's just it's simple and fun. I think it just ground swelled. Yeah. Kind of made it blow up.
00:46:03
Speaker
They both absolutely took off. My theory is some of this is prior to we're kind of in a drought for AAA releases where nothing really big is happening. And then people are also just... I feel like if these would have come out a little bit earlier, they still would have been huge. But with everybody home in the pandemic, having a really social game,
00:46:28
Speaker
And these are all really social games, right? Different ways, yeah.
00:46:36
Speaker
I still want to try and get a group to try Among Us, because I think it's like $5, $10. I'm not good at hidden role games. The game doesn't have voice support, but obviously people use Discord. Well, yeah. So the whole thing about the game for people who are not aware is you have people on a spaceship or a certain area, and the whole point of the game is to not talk while you're doing things.
00:47:05
Speaker
So you kind of have these objectives you have to complete to help out the space station and beat that level, right? There's always going to be two imposters out of a group of 10 where they have to sabotage and kill off the other people.
00:47:20
Speaker
So people can report bodies when they find them or they can hit a button in the main room saying like, hey, group announcement at those times. People can like meet and discuss through whatever voice channel, usually discord to kind of be like, hey, here's my alibi or kind of like.
00:47:41
Speaker
So dissent amongst the group. Yeah, I saw Orange running into cafeteria. That's where the body was found. Yeah. Orange is sus. So I enjoyed that aspect because I really enjoyed. Did we ever play Dead of Winter? I don't recall, actually. It doesn't seem familiar. I've heard the title, but I don't know if that might have been before your time when we were like doing a lot of board games in that area.
00:48:07
Speaker
Um, oh wait, wait, oh board game. Yeah. Yeah, we did. Uh, this is co-op equip the shotgun. Yeah. Use the dog and give the dog the shotgun. Um, but like, I really liked that because everybody has to work together. Um, but you know that there is the possibility of someone trying to fuck you over it. So the whole time you got to like play a little bit cautious and, uh,
00:48:30
Speaker
be on your toes. But also in the same regard, it's interesting to see how people are in that setting. Because a lot of people are very honest and straightforward. When they're forced to lie, they're like, it wasn't me.
00:48:45
Speaker
Yeah. And it's interesting to see the evolution of how people get better at deceiving people or their strats as they evolve. Yeah. There was one of the lines I liked from Critical had a video on this and it was like people were accusing him of being the imposter and someone's like,
00:49:08
Speaker
He's like, oh, he killed the guy. And I'm pretty sure I saw him go in the vents. And Critical is just like, that's absolutely a lie. I don't know how to go in vents. And everybody votes them off immediately. It's been great. I was actually watching a video where he straight up fake AFK'd. Yes. And got two kills. So he did that one night. And then someone.
00:49:36
Speaker
joined a stream, brought out their followers. What's the word for it? Jacksepticeye? Yeah. Oh, rated. Rated, yes. We got rated. And then he's playing with everybody else in the next stage. He's like, all right, try an AFK strat. Jack's just like, hey, guys. See, but like, I like that. I remember... The people who make the content, I think, is what makes it. Oh, yeah. They definitely have like...
00:50:06
Speaker
Everybody has like their own kind of style and approach, which is just, it's interesting to see. I like some of the psychology of how people behave in games. Cause whatever I do is going to be fucking wildly different to the next person. Yeah.
00:50:22
Speaker
There is actually a psychological bent to it as well. People were talking about how entrenched we are in our beliefs and our political stance and everything like that. No, I'm not, you fucking Republican. Yeah. But there was a group of 40 plus people playing Among Us from the official Discord or something.
00:50:48
Speaker
And this one guy was like, it's 100% that guy. It's that guy. It's that guy. I just kept saying, basically repeating, it's that guy. It's that guy. Like people do with their political beliefs or whatever. And they didn't have confirmations on.
00:51:07
Speaker
Or off, I can't remember exactly how it works. But basically, if you have that setting set, then if you vote somebody out, you immediately know if they were imposters. Oh, yeah, yeah. OK, so with that off, they don't immediately know until they get rid of all of the imposters.
00:51:24
Speaker
Yeah. I'm just explaining because I didn't understand this until I saw it in a YouTube video recently. Normally, in standard gameplay, if you vote off an imposter and you eject them from the spaceship, it'll say, oh, so-and-so was an imposter. What Jake's talking about is a setting where you can turn that off. So somebody's just ejected.
00:51:43
Speaker
And you don't know whether you're right or wrong until one team wins. Exactly. And it's kind of necessary for high tier gameplay because otherwise you can use psychological traps to win. An example of that is I'm 100% convinced it was that guy. Vote for him now. If I'm wrong, vote for me next time.
00:52:09
Speaker
And the reason that's 100% psychological trap is that guy's basically saying,
00:52:14
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he's either pulling a super deception where he's gonna like kill everybody next round with sabotage or something, which isn't possible till the end of the game, or he's actually 100% confident. But if you don't have confirmation, you kick that person, you don't know if they were an imposter or not, right? So it's pretty much necessary. But anyways, they got to the end of their game and this guy was wrong, right? And this story is told from the person who got kicked off, basically forced out.
00:52:42
Speaker
And this guy who was so adamant, he was like, no, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right. I was like, holy crap, I'm wrong. And he knew it. He knew he was wrong because the game's not political and it's not gonna lie to you at the end. And so he apologized to everybody that was there. And it kind of blew my mind in a way because that's basically therapy.
00:53:11
Speaker
in a way, it's like for someone who can go down a political or like conspiracy hole and then just believe whatever people tell them to believe or whatever they choose to believe, to be put in a situation where they are using all of that belief weight to like, you know, get their outcome and then find out at the end definitively that they're wrong is actually kind of cool learning experience.
00:53:36
Speaker
Maybe that's the intention of the developers. I don't think so. Through investigative facts and discourse can determine who is in the right and who is in the wrong. Right.
00:53:51
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That's probably going to fucking play this with people that with that one. It's like. I'm semi analytical minded. I know you're analytical minded, but I'm a terrible liar. That's true. I was also as I'm not just piling on, you're not the most observant person. Mm hmm. And it's terrible. I also don't look that good. No. Also, his
00:54:20
Speaker
Credit score is really low. That's a lie, actually. That's the one thing I'm pumping out there. He kicks dogs. He only likes pineapple on pizza. No sauce, no cheese. Just pineapple bread. That's all it is, which actually doesn't sound terrible. Yeah, no, Among Us. I mean, I don't know exactly how expensive is Among Us.
00:54:45
Speaker
I will look it up if you'll buy me some time. I'm gonna now audibly pause. That's fair. Yeah, I don't know. It definitely is the type of game I'd like to play at a party because I'm seeing five from the audience.
00:55:06
Speaker
It's five bucks. That's pretty cheap. I'd probably pick it up from five bucks. There's a lot of hidden role games you can't play at like a LAN party because they'll have like trader voice channel or survivor voice channel or whatever. Obviously just trader voice channel because survivor voice channel, there is no hidden role. But this one explicitly just removes the communication entirely until you're in the accusation phase.
00:55:36
Speaker
which actually work fine in a LAN setting. So as long as you're not screen looking. Yeah. Also just a mechanic for people who have not played. If you are dead and you're on the voice, you're not supposed to be talking to anybody. There is a text chat option for if you're playing online with people, you can just type. But dead people have their own dead people chat. So they cannot say like, it was so and so who killed me. So there's like, the way I've seen it is like,
00:56:06
Speaker
community rule for Discord, survivors unmute during the communication phase, and then any other time you mute it. And it honestly seems pretty great. Even if you're like a terrible liar like me,
00:56:23
Speaker
Um, that only screws you over for a couple of rounds until like you can normalize being a terrible liar into just standard gameplay. And then people aren't really sure whether you're a liar or not. That's the thing. Like, um,
00:56:38
Speaker
When we play with Courtney, she was a terrible fucking liar. She had this issue of if you accused her or she would just laugh and not be able to face people. So one time we said, you're the traitor, aren't you? And she busted out laughing. We're like, all right, sir. And we were right. But she then leaned into it where she went to laugh with everything. I think your wife has probably done the same in some games. Yes, she does, though. So it's interesting to see how people
00:57:07
Speaker
cover their bases in that regard. Because my strategy, if I'm going to be a deceiver of some sort, is mostly to be more quiet, not trying to rouse suspicion or be like, hmm, guys, we should really rally together and figure out who this is. That's not what my personality is by default. So
00:57:29
Speaker
Yeah, I think you have the opposite, like approach to hidden role games is like friend of the show, Dan, he tries to be like more boisterous and like influence the game actively. So people are usually suspicious of him. Yeah, like fight suspicion, whether he's actually guilty or not. Whenever we play those games with him, he was rarely the guilty party. Yes, but he got like shot as the first person every time.
00:57:54
Speaker
It's it's freaking great. It's like the guy who's talking about like, here are my 37 alibis. Big, big squints on that one. Yeah. They're just in the police station like this guy has 37 alibis and they're like, book him a media. No
New Game Insights and Industry Challenges
00:58:13
Speaker
man is that innocent. Yeah. TBD. Also, I saw real quick that you were checking out Spellbreak.
00:58:24
Speaker
Yeah, by that you mean... You played a game with this. I didn't play a game. Oh, no, no, AJ did. AJ played a game with this. Did you install it? No. Did you start installing it? I'm never going to play it. Alright, okay, that's fair. So yeah, I've got Spellbrick on the list. I've never really tried Battle Royale, because I wasn't really hugely into it.
00:58:50
Speaker
And I think it's pretty good. There's definitely been some bugs with it. This is just a quick overview. The 22nd overview is it's a wizard battle royale game. You drop from the sky, you get upgrades, you pick your powers. There's synergies between the different elements and stuff. You fight people, the circle gets smaller, you try to survive and get dinner. It's a battle royale game.
00:59:14
Speaker
But it's on Epic Games Store. It's free, which was essential for getting me to try the game. It was actually pretty fun. Not gonna lie, it's pretty fun. You can have squads up to three people.
00:59:28
Speaker
And I don't know it's it's the fact that it's not guns actually had something I think to me It definitely looks fun. Like I've enjoyed watching Ian play in discord. Mm-hmm. I just don't think I Would have the patience to get good at any battle royale game. I Am I am not a shooter no more?
00:59:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I can play shooting games and I'm not that good at this one. There's I mean, a lot of the elements aren't like they don't lend themselves to traditional shooters. There's like an Earth element where you just like make line attacks. Think like fissure from dodo. And that's your only if you're using Earth, like that's your only attack. You have to have something else that's like a range projectile on your other hand.
01:00:17
Speaker
But it does good damage and it's a reliable hitter. And if you're not good with hitscan type stuff, pretty good. So I don't know. There's diversity there, but we'll see what they do with it. Since it's free, I kind of expect them to tear it apart with microtransactions, unfortunately. But it's just launched, so we'll see where it goes.
01:00:41
Speaker
Yeah. And then there's a lot of stuff here I don't care about on the remainder of the list, honestly, and I'm thinking about it. But someone sent me an NVIDIA GPU from the 30,000 series, because that's the only way I'm getting one. And I need it for Cyberpunk. A place that somebody sent you, and I'm like, I need to become friends with this person. Oh, my god. In my dreams, perhaps. Yeah. NVIDIA is completely, I don't even know if they've dropped the ball. I'm kind of pissed at them a little bit.
01:01:11
Speaker
because they literally have been accused of having a paper launch where you're just like, our product exists, but they don't like ship it. Cause like the stock has been that low and it was immediately bought out by bots. Um, that seems to be a systemic problem, right? Yes. Yeah. It was, I mean, it's been, it's affected like shoes and other really exclusive items in the past, but, um, for the 38, the 30 80, which was like their,
01:01:39
Speaker
$700 US card, something like that. Yeah. It sold out instantly on the Nvidia store. It literally went from waiting to purchase or whatever to out of stock on the page because they had bots that bought it all. And it's freaking dumb. Magfest hotels, am I right? Yeah, yeah, to an insane degree, pretty much everywhere. And then a super expensive one came out.
01:02:08
Speaker
a couple of days ago as of this recording, or one day. And that also was out of stock within a few hours. I don't know what's the point anymore. We're just here to suffer. Yeah. And then No Man's Sky released an update, which at this point is just tradition that I say No Man's Sky released an update. Double thumbs up from me. They've fully redeemed themselves in my eyes.
01:02:37
Speaker
even though the game is kind of hard for me to play a lot in one sitting, it's been four years of just straight up free upgrades, updates and like expansions more or less. So that's cool. Do you think they're at the point of being out of the doghouse? I feel like in most, in people who went into the game hoping for it to be
01:03:07
Speaker
the things that they were asking. Space enthusiasts, I should say. People who wanted to play the original game, I feel like the answer has to pretty much be yes or pretty close to it. Because the game has a ridiculous amount of features that were never even promised at this point. And it's legitimately awesome. I think the answer is yes.
01:03:35
Speaker
That's a good turnaround four years after the fact. Right. Well, I mean, it's it's been a very incremental process and it's been Goodwill. Like they haven't done anything since the tragedy and the travesty of Dark Plagueis the Wise or the launch of No Man's Sky. It's all been like Goodwill since then. It's just a high mountain to build. So they'll keep building that. And then are you going Blizzcon? Nice question.
01:04:06
Speaker
I am not going to Blizzcon. Nobody is because it's online this year. And I have it. This is my joke. I'm just going to read this verbatim. They finally found a way to escape red shirt guy is the person who asked if it was a late April Fool's joke, which, by the way, I'm almost convinced that it's a Mewtwo King.
01:04:32
Speaker
yeah it could be it could be looks like them yeah they've not been doing so hot as far as public eye um
01:04:44
Speaker
I'm sure their stock's fucking fine, but they've had a lot of issues that have come up over the years where it's like abuse of staff, shady business things, shitty launches, other stuff. I'm not really a fan of them overall. Starcraft will always live out of my heart and I'll play Overwatch maybe once a month or something, but overall, fuck them.
01:05:11
Speaker
I don't have as hard line of an opinion, but I mean, it's telling that to this day, one of the highest upvoted posts on Reddit of all time is when Blizzard employees did a sit-in outside of the company in protest. Or a sit-out, I guess, would be the case. I mean, that's pretty reflective of where public sentiment was against them at the time.
01:05:39
Speaker
a long way. They have a lot of that mountain to build to go back to the No Man's Sky example. We expect free updates with a lot of content for a long time. I'm sure we'll get right on that. Hopefully.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:05:56
Speaker
Anyways, that's a talk cast.
01:06:00
Speaker
We do these once a month. My Alexa is now yelling at me. I wanted her to have me check the Croc plot at 9. Oh, yeah. Well, we started a little bit late on the request. AM. We're doing this in the morning, surprise. Yeah, I threw that off. Sometimes I just I randomize whether I'm asking is how's your day going? This is a good night. You know, things like that. That's a drinking white claw. I meant white coffee.
01:06:29
Speaker
white chocolate. All right. Well, any final thoughts, words of wisdom for our dear listeners all around the world? Um, I love you and I think you're cute. That's pretty good. That's to the individual listener to listening. Right? Yeah. All DM you the dirty stuff later. That's fine. Okay. Good. Thank you. Thank you. But I hope everybody's having a good week. Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:59
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Hopefully you had a good week, if you're listening to this on Sunday. Thanks for being first people listening, if you're listening to this during the week. Thanks for being the average people listening. And as always, we'll see you in the next one. Have a good night. Also, should you wish to contact us, you could do so by emailing sochampodcastedgmail.com or joining the discussion on Facebook, facebook.com slash sochampodcast, have a good night, goodbye.