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Death Is Grief Is Life Is Art w/ Fox & K
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Content warning: discussion of death of pets
In this episode, I'm joined by my friends Fox and K, two fat white queer neurodivergent disabled witches, grief tenders, and death doulas, who focus on ritual, shadow work, magic and creativity for processing and integrating healing. This conversation gets directly to the point as we hold space for the grief of this moment in history. We discuss the power of witnessing each other and ourselves during hard moments, and the beauty to be found in processing grief and practicing acts of hope rather than waiting for hope to find you.
This conversation was so special, and I'm struggling to sum it up further. So just go have a listen.
Here's how you can connect with Fox and K:
Fox Welsh: foxwelsh.com or IG @foxwelshewriter
K: IG @ultranerky
Their future death doula work: IG @queergrieftenders
References
The Spirit Spa
24/7 manifestation: IG @latha_jay_
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:39
Lore Alexander
Hello, welcome back to the Ugly Podcast. I'm your host, Lore Alexander. They, them, i am your curly-haired, white, androgynous, big glasses-wearing weirdo. and wearing flannel today because it is fall, after all.
00:00:57
Lore Alexander
um And I have not one but two amazing guests for you today. is very exciting. I've never had two people on this podcast before, so I'm just so stoked. So my guests today are two fat, white, queer, neurodivergent, disabled witches, grief tenders and death doulas with focus on ritual, shadow work, magic and creativity for processing and integrating healing and guiding pets and their parents through the challenging transition transitions of death and grief.
00:01:29
Lore Alexander
um One of my guests is also a writer, facilitator and coach for queer creatives and writers. I'll let you know which one. But first I would like you two to introduce yourselves with your name, your pronouns, brief descriptions, and ah then you you can say which one of you is
Guest Introductions
00:01:45
Lore Alexander
the writer. and
00:01:48
Fox and K
um I am Fox Welsh. I am the writer. I mean, I think everyone's a writer.
00:01:56
Lore Alexander
I was gonna say, was gonna correct myself and I was like, I mean, K's an artist and writer as well, what whatever, but.
00:01:56
Fox and K
Similarly. to
00:02:01
Fox and K
yeah Yes. Yeah. um But I like to write novels. And I am wearing a little blue shirt and i
00:02:16
Fox and K
forgot what else I'm supposed to be saying right now, honestly. Some sound happened in the background.
00:02:22
Lore Alexander
yeah but
00:02:26
Lore Alexander
That's totally fine. Yeah, just a little description of yourself. And I think you already introduced yourself otherwise. I think you're good.
00:02:34
Fox and K
Well, thanks. I'm K K Johnson. I use they, she pronouns. And today I am wearing, I had trouble deciding, um but I put on my Hecate in honor of Samhain that's coming up tomorrow. So very excited about that.
00:02:52
Fox and K
um And I have, I'm rocking my blonde hair era right now. And yeah, I'm really grateful to be here. Thank you so much for having us. Yeah.
00:03:04
Lore Alexander
Thanks for being here. um ah Yeah, i've I just, I love you both so much. Fox and I have been ah in the writer's helm together for years now, um writing together and encouraging each other along our creative journeys.
00:03:19
Lore Alexander
And then K has come to several of our our art sessions there and I've been able to create with you as well. And I just really love you both as individuals.
00:03:31
Lore Alexander
And as I've been feeling like a little I don't know. I don't even know how to feel right like right
Platform Responsibility and Emotions
00:03:38
Lore Alexander
now. i'm just like, ah constantly dripping in grief from day to day and constantly angry from day to day and ah ah seeking um answers for myself and wanting answers for other people because I feel like I have some kind of platform that I then have to like know things.
00:03:47
Fox and K
yeah
00:04:00
Lore Alexander
ah You know?
00:04:01
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:04:01
Lore Alexander
so exactly.
00:04:01
Fox and K
Yeah. Yes.
00:04:02
Lore Alexander
and
00:04:03
Fox and K
And show up anyways yeah while all of this is happening.
00:04:04
Lore Alexander
so exactly
00:04:07
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:09
Lore Alexander
Precisely. And so i was looking for people to talk to in this space who just give me hope And
00:04:09
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:04:18
Lore Alexander
you you two popped into my head immediately. So thank you for being here.
00:04:25
Lore Alexander
And thank you, Cosmo, for wailing in the background.
00:04:28
Fox and K
he's receiving these messages yeah and loving the uh the uh the affirmation and praise he does have a little bit of a praise kink
00:04:30
Lore Alexander
Oh, I love it.
00:04:38
Lore Alexander
Don't we all?
00:04:39
Fox and K
i I mean in fair but wow thank you so much that that really landed very sweetly in my heart and I'm yeah hmm just feeling that yeah right now. I'm just very grateful and feel so similarly, exactly yeah actually as you do.
00:04:58
Fox and K
um and I'm just so yeah grateful that we're able to witness each other and still show up, you know, again, despite all of the hard things and all the ways that we feel externally and internally that want us to stop, right.
00:05:12
Fox and K
Trying that want us to not um keep that hope and hope can be a scary thing.
00:05:13
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:05:18
Fox and K
Just, just even knowing that it, it, it is kind of endless, right? Like it is always going to have to always be something that you have to like, you have to have, you have to hold, you have to find. And it's a lot to even just
Acts of Hope Amid Grief
00:05:33
Fox and K
hold that. And there's a lot of grief in that, that you even have to operate in the world that way, where you just have to always just feel like you're barely hanging on and, and crawling for, for hope.
00:05:46
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah. But the other option is pure dissociation basically um and like that's also not great and leads to so much more unreleased grief that just like keeps can keep consuming you yeah if you don't
00:05:55
Lore Alexander
Right. Yeah.
00:06:16
Fox and K
for me at least, I have found that I really need to regularly be practicing acts of hope. Yeah.
00:06:27
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:06:28
Fox and K
Because otherwise it's not just going to appear in front of me.
00:06:33
Fox and K
And acts is like the action, right? Like we actually have to take the steps. And Sometimes it's just as simple as is showing up to the thing, right? Showing up for yourself, doing the things that you know you need to do for just getting through the day, getting through the moment.
00:06:43
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:06:50
Fox and K
And it's just a constant string of those acts that build that hope.
00:06:55
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:06:56
Fox and K
And this is definitely filling up a lot of those, the the hope cup right now. So just again, very grateful. Yeah.
00:07:05
Lore Alexander
Good. I'm so glad. Yeah, those the showing up for yourself and doing the acts, that's one of the things I really have loved that you've been sharing, K, of just like recording yourself doing the thing, like deep cleaning your kitchen, doing a puzzle, um giving yourself a ah ritual bath, and like giving these
00:07:18
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:07:24
Fox and K
Mm-hmm.
00:07:26
Lore Alexander
like filling yourself up in these ways while also giving to community in other ways through like education and like mutual aid and it's just It's really beautiful. so i'm I'm curious because I know it seemed like I could be wrong because i I haven't known you all that long, but there did seem to be kind of a shift where you started kind of sharing some of these things a little bit more.
00:07:50
Lore Alexander
um I'm curious, like what what prompted that?
00:07:54
Fox and K
Yeah, I think so much of that. um Well, just again, thank you for for witnessing me and and reflecting all those things back in the ways that you see me. I think that's a big part of it is is i I do it to be able to see myself. I do it to see and witness myself.
00:08:10
Fox and K
um And i approach a lot of what I do share with a lot of detachment, honestly, of what comes. It's just like the act of doing the thing. And I detach from what comes from it.
00:08:21
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:08:22
Fox and K
And I just trust that wherever it's going is is is going for a reason. And sometimes it's very uncomfortable and sometimes it's I'm very resistant.
00:08:33
Fox and K
And showing and sharing more externally has been, i mean, I, it's really come down to just being terrified of being perceived. Um, and I feel like over the last several years, I've really, I mean, it's been a journey, it's been a process, um, that I've been going through and I've, I've kind of always known that I wanted to get to, to this point where I am sharing and I'm trying to be,
00:08:43
Lore Alexander
Hmm.
00:08:59
Fox and K
um sharing even more. And I have all these dreams and plans of of sharing more of myself and more of how I think um and how I feel. And yeah, it's just been, i finally had it just like we were talking about earlier. It was just about doing the thing, taking the acts and, you know, noticing how much these thoughts and dreams and aspirations we have are so just living in our heads and in our bodies.
00:09:23
Fox and K
And there comes a time and a point where you need to actually take that action. And so I've been really challenging myself specifically over this last year to really, I've been doing all these different things.
00:09:34
Fox and K
I've been really just testing my edges and pushing up against all of my edges, putting, doing things I never thought I would ever do.
00:09:41
Lore Alexander
Yes.
00:09:41
Fox and K
and, um,
00:09:42
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
Self-Expression and Overcoming Fear
00:09:43
Fox and K
um I think as I've been able to explore those and go, hey, I'm actually able to show up and I feel good and I feel grounded. And i i keep leaning into that trust, like these things about sharing myself, which I feel like I just came from a trauma life of not ever feeling seen or understood. And I still feel misunderstood and unseen, but I'm learning how to to get that finally. And I'm learning again, so much of it was related to detaching from what I was expecting it to go and how I was expecting it to look and just doing the thing, setting it up and just seeing what happens and just going with the flow and not trying to just, yeah.
00:10:14
Lore Alexander
Yes. yeah
00:10:20
Fox and K
Yeah. So yeah, that's been a big part of it is just really just pushing myself to do the thing that scares me and seeing what comes of it. And it's always been the most transformative thing every single time I do that.
00:10:35
Lore Alexander
That's so fucking cool.
00:10:38
Fox and K
Hmm.
00:10:38
Lore Alexander
And also, like, I just saw so much of myself in you just now.
00:10:41
Fox and K
Yes.
00:10:42
Lore Alexander
Like, just ah a lot of similar. yeah like, I, i ah yeah, I feel that so much of just like the pressing up against your edges, like finding, especially.
00:10:54
Lore Alexander
so boundaries are very important. They're very important for us. Yes.
00:10:57
Fox and K
Yes.
00:10:58
Lore Alexander
And also, sometimes we create boundaries for ourselves that don't need to be there. ah And it's so hard that our walls, exactly.
00:11:06
Fox and K
That are walls. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:09
Lore Alexander
orre not They're not boundaries. They're just like, know, blinders, walls, just keep myself in this little box.
00:11:11
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:17
Lore Alexander
Yeah. And then when we can like break down those walls and find out who we are outside of those boundaries is very beautiful and very terrifying.
00:11:18
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:11:21
Fox and K
Yep.
00:11:26
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and And that's how you learn. This is a boundary. This is the edge. And this is something that I that I it ah can either affirm your your already already knowing of the boundary, or it can go actually, I can do this thing that I never thought I could do.
00:11:35
Lore Alexander
Right.
00:11:39
Lore Alexander
Yes.
00:11:43
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:11:46
Fox and K
And um as you were explaining the walls to just had an image of like
00:11:47
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:11:52
Fox and K
breaking open a doorway of the walls, right?
00:11:54
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:11:55
Fox and K
And that's very much what it feels like is like, yeah, I mean, if you build up these boundaries, and you end up feeling like you're just enclosed in a maze of walls, and you can't get out, and you keep finding yourself returning to the same place, sometimes you've got to figure out something else.
00:12:04
Lore Alexander
Yes.
00:12:07
Fox and K
And so I feel like and I'm doing it in like, not a like, destructive way. I'm not like, you know, bringing out a sledgehammer and trying to break through the walls, I'm finding ways where I can create portals to to get to the other side and to go through the walls, instead of trying to break them instead of trying to go around them, right.
00:12:21
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:12:28
Fox and K
And I feel like, yeah, that's just the image that that came up as we were, we were talking.
00:12:32
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:12:32
Fox and K
So yeah, I feel like that's very much in the mode.
00:12:34
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:12:35
Fox and K
And it's been so internal, right. And so now it's like, as I've been doing this internal work, which is always going to happen, it's like a persistent ah thing that we're that we're always going to be doing.
00:12:45
Fox and K
But now so much is
00:12:46
Lore Alexander
It's so annoying.
00:12:47
Fox and K
Yeah. oh my God. Now so much of it is just external at this point. Yeah.
00:12:52
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:12:52
Fox and K
I think, yeah, I was thinking about your portals and it occurred to me that I feel like healthy boundaries are permeable a lot of the time because they are relationships, they are changing their relationships with us, with ourselves and we are changing.
00:13:06
Lore Alexander
Yes.
00:13:14
Fox and K
yeah, sometimes when we set up the walls, they're just so unmoving that suddenly we, we got too big. We are like pushing against them and either we can stay uncomfortable or we can change it and make it so that there's space to expand.
00:13:36
Lore Alexander
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:37
Fox and K
And so much of the boundaries are based in capacity and that is part of what is literally constantly changing every moment of every day.
00:13:42
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:13:47
Fox and K
And so it's about asking yourself and and being able to like notice and, and get to the present moment and not and find when you're in those habits of being in the future or in the past, and not in the moment. And what is the actual capacity, the boundary that you need right now?
00:14:03
Fox and K
And how can you extrapolate that and not only explain it to somebody else, and understand it for yourself, but also, yeah, how do you even get the words? How do you even understand?
00:14:14
Fox and K
And it doesn't, you have to do it. It's a practice. It's, you just have to do it messy. It doesn't have to be perfect. It's about being honest. And it's about being honest, how you feel in that moment. Even if you know, you're going to feel differently in five seconds.
00:14:28
Fox and K
It's about being honest in the moment. Yeah.
00:14:31
Lore Alexander
Absolutely. I love that all of these things, they were talking about like, you know, things you're doing in your life, taking action. But like all of this applies to art and expression and like how we live our lives. And I just, the thing I love about this podcast is I can talk about stuff like this and it just like, it applies because art is so,
00:14:54
Lore Alexander
It is ourselves expressing ourselves and it's the thing that we're most terrified of because it's like the core of our being, which is so scary to acknowledge and express and be seen and put out there.
00:14:59
Fox and K
yeah Yeah.
00:15:05
Lore Alexander
So yes, I love this.
00:15:07
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah. I just, i when I am fully living my life, it feels like art. And that's kind of, i feel like that's part of what your ugly art sessions have taught me and um things like that is
00:15:30
Fox and K
living life is just as messy as ugly art. And sometimes we make an ugly picture that we're like,
00:15:36
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:15:40
Fox and K
Okay, that's fine, I guess. I did the thing. Cool. Good job. And sometimes you come out and you're like, oh, my God, that was beautiful and perfect, and I never would have known that I had that inside of me.
00:15:52
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:15:53
Fox and K
And just making those tiny little spaces to make those choices and open up to those possibilities of seeing what happens is pretty transformative. Hmm.
00:16:06
Lore Alexander
Absolutely. It's It's beautiful. um I'm looking at like things I wanted to talk about and I just, I feel like we don't, I'm just like, I can just like talk to you forever.
00:16:20
Lore Alexander
But I do want to about one of the things that ah you are both exploring right now, um which is death doula. Yeah. ness ship death doula ship i don't know yes yes um where yeah when did this come into your psyches when did you decide like this is what we're gonna do we want to do this together
00:16:33
Fox and K
Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, and. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:16:43
Fox and K
oh
00:16:52
Fox and K
I think we both have had a long road leading us here. Yeah. Over many, many, many years. yeah But the...
00:17:04
Fox and K
I think the biggest thing for me and us was the death of both of our guinea pigs.
00:17:17
Fox and K
Teddy and Freddie who ah Freddie died like six months before Teddy died and Freddie died as we were getting ready to move out of our house.
00:17:21
Lore Alexander
so cute.
00:17:30
Fox and K
Yeah. Um, He was like, we're not I'm not coming. I love you guys, but this is not for me.
00:17:35
Lore Alexander
Aww.
00:17:35
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:36
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:17:37
Fox and K
And it was very sudden. Yeah, it was very, very sudden. and in that moment, we just really tried to be with him and give him the best death that we could.
00:17:53
Fox and K
um and for us, that didn't involve going to get him euthanized or anything like that. That just... He stayed in his seat sweet, safe little spot with his little brother sitting vigil with him. And um it was just such a transformative experience to me to be close to it and a part of it and memorialize it and hold it in my hands ah in a way that I never have
Transformation Through Loss
00:18:27
Fox and K
before.
00:18:29
Fox and K
Because historically, every death I've experienced is being told something's dead and you're never going to see it again, basically.
00:18:40
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:18:40
Fox and K
Or someone is dead and you're never going to see them again. So being able to be a part of that process yeah really changed a lot of my perspectives on yeah what it looks like and and feels like and can what's possible. Yeah.
00:18:57
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:18:57
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:18:57
Fox and K
And just being able to hold not just him through that process, but us and everybody, um you know, it involved the whole house. It involved all the other pets.
00:19:08
Fox and K
um And we were all there present, you know, for those final days. And yeah, we also got to, you know, we didn't know what to do. You know, we didn't know how to handle it. We were just, again, treating each moment to the best is what we thought we could do, right. For what he needed. And as soon as he passed, well, prior to this, before we get to kind of,
00:19:28
Fox and K
the decision of action. you know Death doula a ship is something that I feel like we've talked about for for so long. And I feel like it was kind of like an awakening that we've we've had, especially when we found each other and just imagining what's possible for our future.
00:19:43
Fox and K
But i we definitely both attribute his death specifically to like, all right, it's time to act as all those things that Fox had said.
00:19:50
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:19:53
Fox and K
and then you know the moment he died, Again, not knowing exactly what to do, you know, when we're thinking of like actually what to do with his body, like we felt very equipped to deal with honoring and holding him and each other. And then it was what do we do with him now? And we didn't.
00:20:07
Fox and K
have any clue. And so we reached out to our dear friend, Sid, who runs the spirit spa. um And she just immediately was like, come bring him to the spa. And we were able to perform a ah beautiful funeral service for him with with her and at a place that we cherish so, so much in a place that we are able to visit whenever we want. And um we just knew he was going to be in a perfect space.
00:20:34
Fox and K
perfect space. And, you know, so she really allowed us to, you know, she just took ah took that over for us and it just allowed us to receive that. And that was also so beautiful. And we, you know, and it just flowed like no questions, like that no doubts, it just happened. And it was just, again, so beautiful.
00:20:52
Fox and K
to be so fully present in that moment. um And, you know, certainly any death triggers your own fear of death. and And that's definitely a big part of it, too. um And so I know, like, I've recently been struggling with my own fears of death in a way that I've never experienced.
00:21:11
Fox and K
ah most of my life. I never really was afraid of it. I was i was kind of indifferent to it most of the time. and you know over the last few few years of actually feeling like I finally really want to live um and I finally feel like I know who I am and I feel and empowered and emboldened to live my purpose, I'm more terrified than ever to die. And so you know again, just trying so hard to um absorb and feel and practice the art of detachment, the ugly art of detachment, and,
00:21:50
Fox and K
use this as an opportunity to explore and investigate my own fears of death.
00:21:59
Fox and K
as I was saying, it was just to use this as an opportunity to confront and face my own fear of death. And yeah.
00:22:04
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:22:05
Fox and K
And just feeling so sure like we needed to take this next step. And so, yeah, that was the the official action decision.
00:22:13
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:22:13
Fox and K
and as we were actually in our death doula coursework and literally the last day or the last week before, like we took our final exam,
00:22:25
Fox and K
Then our other guinea pig died. Teddy died.
00:22:28
Lore Alexander
Hmm.
00:22:28
Fox and K
While we were literally sitting, and we so also saw him changing um over the last like couple of weeks before he passed, but we also felt like we had more time with him.
00:22:39
Fox and K
So it was definitely a surprise. And literally as we were taking our our quiz for the week, um he passed when we went and checked on him after. And so it's just they've both been so present in this journey for us.
00:22:53
Fox and K
And just again, just such a and we ah ah we had got to give him a funeral as well. And we got to bury him with his brother. And it just we had just finished the chapter on like handling body, the body and like sitting vigil and like holding space in between And after death. Yeah.
00:23:18
Fox and K
And so there is really something beautiful.
00:23:18
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:23:22
Fox and K
Like it really does feel like both of them were giving us these really big, important, beautiful lessons, even in the last moments of their
00:23:31
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:23:33
Fox and K
lives Yeah. um And I feel really blessed to have gotten to do that and hold them through that. And I i feel like they they, held a lot of space for me.
00:23:47
Fox and K
and so I'm really, i'm really grateful to have gotten the opportunity to really hold that space for them in their final journey, that we're That we know of. yeah I don't know what's what's after this. Yeah.
00:24:02
Fox and K
But yeah, they were big teachers. Big teachers and big healers. There was a lot of healing yeah that happened through through their death as well. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:02
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:24:12
Lore Alexander
That's so beautiful. And I'm tearing up over here. That's really beautiful. i I think death feels very close to a lot of us.
00:24:25
Fox and K
yeah
00:24:25
Lore Alexander
like I mean, there's just like there's existential threat then... and
00:24:31
Lore Alexander
political threat and I know that for me as well death has also been so felt so like close and and having to sit with that and
00:24:40
Fox and K
Hmm.
00:24:45
Lore Alexander
And also, i i love that you're, like, you have a very similar approach to me of, like, there's this thing that scares me, and I want to be closer to it.
00:24:58
Fox and K
Hmm.
00:24:58
Lore Alexander
I want to understand the fear. i think that's just, that's such a beautiful, that's a really beautiful desire, i think, and something I i wish more people had the desire to sit with their demons and to befriend the demons.
00:25:18
Fox and K
Yeah, well, a true ah trick to that that that I find helpful. um And I think so much I am so heavy on fire energy and my birth chart. I literally have six placements in Leo.
00:25:32
Fox and K
Um, and I am also an Aquarius rising, um, and thank God. And I have a Capricorn moon, so I have a little bit of earth to tether me. Um, and I, I really attribute a lot of this to having that Aquarius brain. Um, but so much of how I'm able to get close to the things that scare me is, you know, not just again, just like letting yourself be scared and like not pushing yourself and like going at the pace that you need to go. That's been a big lesson of, of
00:26:00
Fox and K
doing things slowly and we're approaching our death doulashop in the same way. Like we're doing this very slowly, very intentionally. And we're just, we're going like, we have a vision that we're kind of working backwards from, but we're like, we don't have any of the details. It's kind of fuzzy and we're just building right now. We're just germinating at this point.
00:26:00
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:26:17
Fox and K
um I forgot where I was going to go with that. I kind of went on that tangent. What was I saying before that? Do you remember?
00:26:25
Lore Alexander
Befriending your demons.
00:26:26
Fox and K
Oh, yeah. Befriending my demons. um I'm able to try try to like, again, look at it from a different perspective, right? Try not to just center yourself and only look at what is going on in your experience.
00:26:34
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:26:39
Fox and K
And that's the only way you're able to, not the only way, this the way that that I feel is the easiest way for me is to be able to look at it from different sides, different angles, remove yourself from it.
00:26:51
Fox and K
And, you know, get constant feedback from what's happening around you and then go back. You have to always go back, right? And then you go back to yourself.
00:26:59
Lore Alexander
and
00:27:00
Fox and K
I go, oh, I look at it from this way. Oh, okay. And then I go back to myself. Now, how do I feel? Oh, go look at it from this way.
00:27:04
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:27:05
Fox and K
Now, this is how I feel. And it's, again, it's a practice and you have to really choose to do it. And, you know, if you want to do it safely, you want to make sure you have that container to, and the capacity to hold that.
00:27:18
Fox and K
And also that you're, you know, you're doing it in a way that feels, you know, soft and gentle and good and not in a way that feels like you're, again, breaking down through the wall and you're like forcing yourself to do something. If that works for you, that's great.
00:27:31
Fox and K
And a lot of things that I had to tell myself as I was going through those moments was just because I can do it it doesn't mean I need to do it or that I should do it that way.
00:27:39
Lore Alexander
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:27:39
Fox and K
And so there's, again, just a lot of asking questions. I just love to ask myself a million questions and I just keep coming back to the question later and going, oh, look, I i don't have the same answer now.
00:27:52
Fox and K
Right.
00:27:53
Fox and K
And that's one way that I've been able to, you know, face those demons and remove some of the like subjectivity. Right. And yeah, just look at it as information.
00:28:06
Lore Alexander
Yeah. Well, and that's how you build up that trust with yourself, too, right?
00:28:09
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:28:10
Lore Alexander
Is like coming back to yourself.
00:28:10
Fox and K
Yes.
00:28:12
Lore Alexander
It's like, I promise we're not going to just do the scary thing and only ever be scared.
00:28:16
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:28:17
Lore Alexander
Like, we're going to come back to safety.
00:28:17
Fox and K
Yes. Yep.
00:28:19
Lore Alexander
We're going to come back and check in, see what was good, see what we'd like to repeat, see what we'd like to not do again.
00:28:21
Fox and K
Yep.
00:28:25
Fox and K
Yup.
00:28:26
Lore Alexander
It's that it's coming back and being like, we're not in that stuck place. where like growing up we had no choice. We were stuck in whatever situation we were in.
00:28:35
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:28:35
Lore Alexander
We didn't have our own autonomy a lot of the time.
00:28:39
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:28:40
Lore Alexander
But we're not there anymore. So like reminding ourselves of that is so important because I know that's where I get stuck in avoidance is when I feel like, well, if I do the thing, I'm never going to be able to come back here.
00:28:41
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:28:52
Fox and K
Yeah, exactly.
00:28:52
Lore Alexander
And that's just not true.
00:28:55
Fox and K
Yeah. And so many people, I feel like I hear a narrative, a lot of like a lot of fear around facing those demons because it feels again, it's so scary.
00:29:02
Fox and K
Right. But like a big thing that we've been doing is play with it. Don't, you don't have to like, it doesn't have to be something that, you know, again,
00:29:07
Lore Alexander
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:29:11
Fox and K
What's happening in your nervous system as you're trying to deal with this? Is it like, is there a way you can make it even a little bit better if you try it a different way, right? And try to play, play with it, play with the darkness, play with yourself, play with your inner child,
00:29:26
Fox and K
Listen, like so much of my healing lately and how it's been, and how I've been embodying and where I've seen the biggest shift and how I come across externally and and even internally is just listening to that inner child, like that always felt like I knew what was best for me.
00:29:42
Fox and K
that I just let get so small. I let get so small that I couldn't trust myself. I couldn't tell what was intuition, what was anxiety. And that's still something that I struggle with.
00:29:54
Fox and K
And I, yeah, I just feel so much better at like ever since I've been really introducing play and art is like art has been the most playful thing that I feel like I've been able to do.
00:30:02
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:30:04
Fox and K
Because again, living is is is art.
00:30:05
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:30:07
Fox and K
So I feel like I ritualize everything. I try to find the hope and gratitude in everything. And I see the art in everything, even if I'm just staring at myself and looking in the mirror, you know, and i yeah, just doing art every single day as often as we can and reclaiming those moments is what I was all I'm really trying to do, you know.
00:30:26
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:30:30
Lore Alexander
love that.
00:30:31
Fox and K
Yeah, i i think I think I am realizing that for us, excuse me, I'm realizing that for us, like the act of ritualizing something is the way that we turn our daily life into physical art. Yeah.
00:30:58
Lore Alexander
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:58
Fox and K
Mm-hmm. because so much of art requires presence.
00:31:00
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:31:02
Fox and K
yeah and And it's the way that you're able to be present to the moment, right? yeah it you know I see it all the time while you're cooking right in the kitchen like that's art and I get to just sit nearby and if I'm cleaning or doing something else or playing a video game or reading a book or crashing out after a long day at work I get to just like enjoy the art of all the sense senses that are happening in my nose and I every time what are you making and it's just you know the initial reply is always garlic and onions it's all it takes and I'm just like ah
00:31:34
Lore Alexander
That's all it takes.
00:31:35
Fox and K
I'm just so like, I'm just so enamored with life and art. And I'm just like over here, just basking in it. Right. And yeah, it's like ritualizing everything, noticing everything and, um you know, not trying to control.
00:31:51
Fox and K
so much of it is noticing what's happening, paying attention and and not necessarily trying to act on it. But when you're able to notice where are your thoughts, where where is your mind, where is your heart, what are you where is all your energy going to, and you're able to pull it back and you're able to pull it to the present moment, that's where I feel like I've had the most fun in my healing.
00:32:13
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:32:13
Fox and K
And my art has just been flowing in so many ways. Yeah.
00:32:17
Lore Alexander
Oh, that's so beautiful.
00:32:21
Lore Alexander
I would love to touch on this connection between creativity and death.
00:32:27
Fox and K
Hmm.
00:32:28
Lore Alexander
Because there feels to me like such a strong drive to... And I don't i don't know if there's like...
00:32:39
Lore Alexander
I don't even know if I have a complete thought here.
Creativity and Death
00:32:42
Lore Alexander
It's just the, i especially these last couple of years and maybe it's the psychedelics. I don't know, but, but creativity and death are just such beautiful, beautiful companions. And I'm curious um how, how you both um are thinking of this. Yeah.
00:33:03
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:33:05
Fox and K
I mean,
00:33:07
Fox and K
I feel like part of the drive that we all have to create things is that is meaning making, but also like to some extent leaving behind everything.
00:33:26
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:33:29
Fox and K
that we do in this life
00:33:32
Fox and K
is all we're going to do in this life. Yeah.
00:33:37
Fox and K
And I just, I, I would not, I don't think I would be able to have a good
00:33:47
Fox and K
death knowing that i had not poured my whole heart into the creative work every single day of just being alive and practicing hope.
00:34:01
Fox and K
Yeah. um
00:34:04
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I feel that so deeply as well. And I think for me, when I look at
00:34:13
Fox and K
death and art, I look at the the the first thing that comes up again, is it just comes back to detachment for me and letting go, right? And grief, like those are the things that I feel.
00:34:22
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:34:24
Fox and K
And so when you're practicing art, no matter what kind of medium it is, whether you're painting, whether you're journaling, whether you're taking a photo, I feel like there's so much in the art of death that you can see if you just again, doing the thing and actually doing, trusting the flow of your hand, trusting when you finally, you know, take the, take the photo or do the thing or write the word.
00:34:50
Fox and K
And it's like, we're constantly dealing with death on a, on a daily basis, a death of, of an old identity, a death of an old pattern.
00:34:57
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:34:57
Fox and K
And, and I think, yeah, the act of creation in so many ways is, is not like a ah mirror of death, but it's, they, they're partners almost like we're dancing with each other.
00:35:11
Fox and K
And and I just feel like, yeah, it's art is letting go you
00:35:12
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:35:18
Fox and K
what you have in the intention and what's actually coming out. Right. And so, yeah, I think that that was kind of where my immediate brain went was just like thinking about how you have to release.
00:35:23
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:35:29
Fox and K
um And again, so much of death is releasing, right. And letting it go. And I feel like that's really how, how art gets made to some extent.
00:35:42
Lore Alexander
you Absolutely.
00:35:44
Fox and K
Hmm.
00:35:45
Lore Alexander
Well, and then the the grief that has to be experienced when the thing in your head doesn't end up being what comes out of you.
00:35:52
Fox and K
Yeah. Right.
00:35:55
Lore Alexander
and like, I feel, i think a lot of, i ah this this came up the other day. um was talking to my girlfriend about the difference between depression and unfelt grief and how
00:36:08
Fox and K
Mm. Ugh.
00:36:12
Lore Alexander
So often i feel, i mean, I know depression from a you know neurochemical standpoint absolutely exists. And I also think that so much depression just stems from unexamined, unfelt grief.
00:36:26
Fox and K
Yes. Yeah. The body is going to hold on to it and manifest it.
00:36:27
Lore Alexander
And it just...
00:36:30
Fox and K
Yep.
00:36:31
Lore Alexander
Yeah. and
00:36:32
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:36:33
Lore Alexander
And when we can just feel that grief and then move through it, and then it's like creativity kind of helps us complete the cycle. Like you feel the grief and then you make the thing and then you probably feel the grief again because making the thing gives you more feelings and changes reality more.
00:36:40
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:44
Fox and K
Exactly.
00:36:49
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:51
Lore Alexander
then feel the grief again and you let go.
00:36:52
Fox and K
yeah exactly
00:36:54
Lore Alexander
and is this, it yeah, it's a gorgeous cycle and it is very exciting cycle.
00:36:54
Fox and K
yeah It is a gorgeous cycle. Yeah. and And when you talk about what you create with your art, again, it's like now you're able to hold it, right?
00:37:06
Fox and K
You're able to hold your grief in that art form and you're able to, again, witness it outside of your body.
00:37:09
Lore Alexander
Yes.
00:37:12
Fox and K
yeah And it's so much of grieving and healing just...
00:37:13
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:37:18
Fox and K
is just Again, not fixing, not trying to diminish it. You're just holding it. You're looking at it even. Sometimes you're able to just, and that's what art does, I feel like, is you're able to just create the thing and look at it a look at it from a different perspective. And you can keep returning every time you look at it. it It can be a different feeling every single time.
00:37:41
Lore Alexander
Yeah, absolutely.
00:37:41
Fox and K
Yeah. If you make it into art, it's never going to look the way that whatever you're thinking about looked in your head. Yeah. But there's always going to be so many more new things to discover about what actually came out and what is true when you put it down on paper.
00:38:00
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:38:01
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:38:01
Fox and K
It makes me think a lot about similar similarly to like listening to old songs that you used to love and that you remember used to be like identifying with so much. And then you listen to it and you're just like, oh, wow, like I have changed so much.
00:38:15
Fox and K
I mean, again, death, like we're constantly transforming.
00:38:17
Lore Alexander
Yes.
00:38:18
Fox and K
We're constantly going through death and rebirth cycles and not not in our physical body, um but just energetically, again, our habits, our thoughts, our behaviors, our feelings, like all of that is just a constant cycle of death and rebirth.
00:38:34
Fox and K
And so death is everywhere. And that's the thing that's so interesting um you know, i think in our, in our book that we were reading for our coursework, it was talking about like, it's like the only, it's a hundred percent guaranteed, right?
00:38:45
Fox and K
Like there's a hundred, hundred percent size success rate of death.
00:38:48
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:38:49
Fox and K
Right. And it's something that none of us feel equipped to actually face. And so much of it, I feel like is just a lack of noticing how death is literally all around us. And I don't mean just in the physical sense.
00:39:00
Fox and K
And so, yeah, it's just, it's always, it's always there and we're always grieving and
00:39:00
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:39:06
Fox and K
grieving is death and death is grieving and living is grief and you know it's it's all they're all connected yeah all at once love that movie
00:39:13
Lore Alexander
Yeah, everything, everywhere, all at once.
00:39:18
Lore Alexander
It's a great movie.
00:39:21
Lore Alexander
Would you like to make some ugly art together?
00:39:24
Fox and K
yes please i would love to
00:39:26
Lore Alexander
on and on and of this topic, perhaps?
00:39:29
Fox and K
Yeah. oh Oh, can we show you something real quick before we get started?
00:39:32
Lore Alexander
Oh, yes, please.
00:39:34
Fox and K
um One of the things that we've been doing as an art practice is ah for our business as well is creating a vision board. um And so we've been doing different collages for our vision board over the last couple of weeks.
00:39:48
Fox and K
And I wanted to bring down one of the pieces that we've been working on and that's Hecate who we've been working a lot with um just major crossroads vibes and just ah yeah the energy that we're in right now and so this is one of the things that we've been working on that we wanted to share and she's just been hanging out with us at our little altar that we set up.
00:40:00
Lore Alexander
Yes.
00:40:08
Lore Alexander
oh
00:40:12
Lore Alexander
That's so beautiful. And i love I love the labyrinth in the background. Labyrinths have always really spoken to me. like the path you walk. It's just beautiful.
00:40:19
Fox and K
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:20
Lore Alexander
I love that. Thank you so much for sharing. If listeners are doing the audio only version of this, ah it was beautiful.
00:40:28
Fox and K
Yeah, I can describe it a little bit. Yeah, there's an there's an image of Hecate in the middle holding two ah bowls of torches and there's snakes and dogs and mirrors and a giant flame and a bunch of glitter glue. And we drew a little cauldron um and put in a bunch of different offerings ah that she likes, like pomegranates, keys, garlic, a blade, and some flowers and a bunch of candles and lots of lots of glitter glue.
00:40:58
Lore Alexander
Love it Love the glitter glue. So good. um While we are drawing, making our art together, um are you both or either of you able to talk while you draw?
00:41:14
Lore Alexander
If not, that is OK. OK.
00:41:15
Fox and K
I think so. I think so. i think I think we could give it a go. Yeah.
00:41:20
Lore Alexander
Excellent. OK. um Well, let's get drawing. I'm going to set a timer for like five minutes.
00:41:25
Fox and K
Do we have have a prompt or anything? Are we going to?
00:41:27
Lore Alexander
Yes, I, um, let me set a timer real quick.
00:41:28
Fox and K
Oh, sorry.
00:41:32
Lore Alexander
Um, yeah, so I think, I don't know, just all the stuff we've been talking about, I think it's really fun to make ugly art of feelings.
00:41:44
Lore Alexander
And so like, especially, you know, feelings of grief, what does grief look like in ugly art form?
00:41:50
Fox and K
oh
00:41:51
Lore Alexander
Um,
00:41:51
Fox and K
oh
00:41:52
Lore Alexander
um
00:41:55
Lore Alexander
that ah if That sounds good to you. That sounds good to me.
00:41:57
Fox and K
yeah Yeah, that sounds great.
00:42:00
Lore Alexander
Excellent. Okay, let's ah let's get to that. um And in the meantime, as we're doing that, um I would love to know what are some of the rituals
Daily Manifestation Practice
00:42:12
Lore Alexander
that you are adopting or adapting um for yourselves that are really keeping you going right now?
00:42:22
Fox and K
one thing that we have been doing for
00:42:27
Fox and K
maybe a month and a half almost two months six weeks yeah a month and a half um is we every morning and evening we sit down and write one manifestation 24 times.
00:42:49
Fox and K
And we do that same one for seven days, yeah morning and night.
00:42:50
Lore Alexander
o
00:42:55
Fox and K
Before you wake ah or not before you wake up, before before you go to bed. And as soon as you wake up.
00:43:00
Lore Alexander
In your sleep.
00:43:01
Fox and K
Yeah, exactly.
00:43:02
Lore Alexander
Okay.
00:43:02
Fox and K
The idea is to um be in that liminal space of waking and sleeping and kind of ah in that peak manifestation time.
00:43:08
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:43:13
Lore Alexander
Oh, interesting. Is the number 24 significant somehow?
00:43:16
Fox and K
So we adopted this. It's supposed to be like 24-7 model is what it's called. And I can let you know the Instagram person that i ah we got this from.
00:43:21
Lore Alexander
Okay.
00:43:26
Fox and K
And she calls it the 24-7 method. And it's just the concept of incorporating it in your life 24 hours a day, seven days a week as is how she framed Yeah.
00:43:36
Lore Alexander
Got you, okay.
00:43:37
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah. And that has been really underpinning my ah routines and my sense of my days.
00:43:47
Lore Alexander
Hmm.
00:43:49
Fox and K
I have noticed that when i pick something new, i get so excited about it for like the first couple days that it just feels so like fresh and present and real.
00:44:04
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:44:07
Lore Alexander
Have you been changing the manifestation like as like it feels complete or feels no longer relevant?
00:44:10
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:44:15
Lore Alexander
like
00:44:16
Fox and K
Yeah. um I think the original Instagrammer suggestion is like change it once once a week, every like do seven days and then change it.
00:44:24
Lore Alexander
Oh, okay.
00:44:25
Fox and K
However, ah both of us have been sort of um sticking with them until they feel done or until the next one opens itself up to us.
00:44:38
Fox and K
yeah
00:44:39
Lore Alexander
hey
00:44:39
Fox and K
um I'm currently... Still on one that like I think I'm ready to release, but I haven't found my new manifestation yet. But my my current one that I'm finishing up is.
00:44:54
Fox and K
ah Show me how easy, abundant and fun this life can be. Hmm.
00:45:01
Lore Alexander
Oh, I love that.
00:45:03
Fox and K
I'm just starting and ending my day with like focusing on writing that down. And when I'm really like grounded and present, I really try and feel what each of the like feelings feels like in my body every time I write it So like last night I was writing it and I would get to like easy and be like, okay.
00:45:24
Fox and K
what How does easy feel? And like imagine some sort of situation that felt the way that I want to feel when life feels easy. yeah And it just is such a beautiful little conjuring of energy and...
00:45:35
Lore Alexander
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:45:44
Fox and K
has been really one of the most transformative like daily actions I think I've, I've started and a very long time.
00:45:51
Fox and K
Yeah. It's been the most consistent daily action I've been able to take. And again, it's so much of like, is not like building any pressure, giving permission to change it, to stop, um to not, yeah, like carry the expectations, but to just notice what happens when we do it.
00:46:08
Fox and K
And so much of it has been noticing. And like, so yeah, like, it's not necessarily like if you write the manifestation, it's going to come true. But the way I see it is like what Fox just shared, because I had, I was so inspired by theirs that i had one very similar that I was doing for community-based, just showing us how easy, fun, joyful, supportive, and nourishing life can be. And just,
00:46:30
Fox and K
what that does is it allows us to notice the ways in which that's true. It's not necessarily yeah you know an expectation that it's gonna make everybody feel all of a sudden the most happy they've ever felt.
00:46:43
Fox and K
It's going, hey, this thing that normally used to be so fucking hard is actually really easy um or or was easier than it was before. And hey, I got this support from somebody in a way that I didn't even know that they knew I was struggling, right?
00:46:43
Lore Alexander
Right.
00:46:53
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:46:58
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:46:58
Fox and K
And they showed up. and And so again, it's just, and that is manifestation. That's like, if if I wasn't in a place where I was thinking about that, if I wasn't looking for that, it's not going to happen, right?
00:47:10
Fox and K
Not necessarily. It's like, it's a concept of when you ah buy a car, you start seeing it everywhere, right? It's the same way.
00:47:16
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:47:16
Fox and K
that That's how we look at this manifestation. So it's been great to see how things have changed in daily life since that that practice has begun. And it's been allowing it to kind of just continue.
00:47:28
Lore Alexander
Yeah, that's beautiful. And that is time. That was perfect. um yeah I love that so much. That's kind of what I do with... ah with the feelings paintings that I'll Cause not only do I like to do how I'm feeling now, i also like to do how I would like to feel.
00:47:49
Fox and K
Yeah. Yes.
00:47:50
Lore Alexander
and painting how you would like to feel is a really beautiful thing because you have to imagine how does it feel what color is it and like in doing it you kind of evoke it forward into your body because emotions body feelings like uh yeah it's that's so beautiful
00:48:00
Fox and K
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:48:05
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and And that's why this creator, she was talking about the importance of writing it because it gets it out of your body.
00:48:17
Fox and K
Right. And there's no more.
00:48:18
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:48:19
Fox and K
She she presented as the most powerful manifestation tool you have is just is is writing. Right. And so just writing your thoughts and writing your feelings.
00:48:25
Lore Alexander
Mmm
00:48:28
Fox and K
And even if you can't imagine a way that those things are ever going to happen, you're Write it as though it already has and feel in that moment that it is and just feel what it feels like in your body and see what happens.
00:48:41
Lore Alexander
Yeah. Oh, so cool. All right what did What did we make, folks? Oh, wow.
00:48:48
Fox and K
i
00:48:48
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:48:49
Fox and K
I made this little explosion. um
00:48:53
Lore Alexander
as ah wow yeah
00:48:54
Fox and K
i've I felt like, you know, the sort of like loud, dark, sometimes oppressive feeling of grief that we get lost in.
00:49:07
Fox and K
But I really wanted this little tiny light of like, this is what's at the core is this beautiful life and joy and love and love.
00:49:14
Lore Alexander
yeah
00:49:21
Fox and K
uh, it's really hard and weird to get through, but it's also kind of beautiful and there's beautiful things outside around it too.
00:49:29
Lore Alexander
Mhmm Oh, I love that.
00:49:32
Fox and K
Am I going next?
00:49:34
Lore Alexander
If you'd like.
00:49:35
Fox and K
Okay, sure. I'll go next. Um, I did a thing where i put like four index cards down. Um, all on top of each other.
00:49:43
Lore Alexander
Oh, yeah.
00:49:45
Fox and K
And i had a little pebble that I just pushed around with my marker.
00:49:46
Lore Alexander
Cool.
00:49:52
Fox and K
um
00:49:52
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:49:53
Fox and K
Because that to me, I've seen this art practice happen and and that immediately just translated to grief to me about like, just again, letting go of the of the process. And sometimes grief feels like you're pushing around a big ass rock.
00:50:06
Fox and K
um And so just seeing how all the colors mesh together and just pushing forward not knowing where the pen was going to take me and that's just my connection to grief and all the colors and intertwine and entangled and flowing and yeah.
00:50:07
Lore Alexander
Mm-hmm.
00:50:22
Lore Alexander
Wow. I love that so much.
00:50:23
Fox and K
I'm obsessed.
00:50:26
Fox and K
Thanks, guys.
00:50:26
Lore Alexander
ah
00:50:29
Lore Alexander
um I made, so up above this, hold on, let me get rid of this. Go away. I don't want you there.
00:50:40
Lore Alexander
All right, so um that it kind of ended up ah brown. I don't know, anyway. but ah So above was kind of like some doodles I had done the other day.
00:50:51
Lore Alexander
then I started kind of like what you, it's kind of hard to see on the video, but um kind of what you had, Fox, of just like, I had purple and black just kind of like spreading up and covering up what I did yesterday, just like kind of permeating everything.
00:51:00
Fox and K
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm.
00:51:05
Lore Alexander
And then like also kind of highlighting what I did yesterday and the same colors of like the grief, how like drips over your memories and like, you know, all that, all that stuff.
00:51:08
Fox and K
Mm.
00:51:10
Fox and K
Mm.
00:51:15
Lore Alexander
And then I was just like, and it kind of just feels like poop. And I just went like so full on like sewage, like sewage brown puddle.
00:51:22
Fox and K
I feel that so deeply. Yeah, just like it just comes over sometimes and pours onto something else that you created, right?
00:51:24
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:51:29
Fox and K
I mean, it and it can surprise us in those ways. Yeah. I love that so much. That was amazing. Oh, this was so fun. I knew it was going to be incredible.
00:51:36
Lore Alexander
Thank you.
00:51:38
Fox and K
This was amazing. Yeah.
00:51:40
Lore Alexander
Oh, thanks so much for doing that with me.
00:51:42
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:51:42
Lore Alexander
And for any, again, anyone listening to the audio, I'll have pictures of everything that we made today um up on Instagram for now, but Instagram is going to be going away January.
00:51:56
Lore Alexander
So keep an eye out for how to stay connected. I'm going to have my sub stack in my newsletter. Anyway, um thank you so much.
00:52:06
Fox and K
hmm
00:52:07
Lore Alexander
How can people support you? um How can people stay connected with you?
00:52:11
Fox and K
hmm
00:52:11
Lore Alexander
i will have some information in the show notes if you need to just say, check the show notes.
00:52:19
Lore Alexander
Yeah. what and what are you what are you looking forward to in the next, like as we close out the year, really? Yeah.
00:52:27
Fox and K
I mean, I can start that. i You can find me at foxwelsh.com or on my Instagram at foxwelshwriter.
00:52:39
Fox and K
It's a private account, so you'll have to request, but I promise I'm real. Yeah.
00:52:48
Fox and K
And we are working on starting a new Instagram for our death work, ritual, grief life.
00:52:59
Fox and K
um That handle is Queer Grief Tenders.
00:53:04
Lore Alexander
Oh, I love that.
00:53:04
Fox and K
But we're still developing it. So there's not so so much there. But if folks want to follow, that would be amazing. We are planning to to release some things there. And i'm also on Instagram. My handle is ultra nerky.
00:53:16
Fox and K
um It is also a private account, but I I'm looking forward to, yeah just continuing to show up and share this art process of, of, of living that we're doing and, and continuing to connect with people and to continue to build um towards the dreams that we have, not just ourselves, but collectively. and yeah, I'm really looking forward to strengthening my bonds and in community and again, the collective. And so welcoming anybody who feels called and aligned um to engage. I'm always looking for more engagement.
00:53:53
Fox and K
i think so many people are afraid of engaging and taking up space. I love engagement.
00:53:58
Lore Alexander
Yeah.
00:53:58
Fox and K
I love when people take up space. um I think We all need to take up space more um and it allows everybody to feel empowered to do that. So um I mean it. and And folks have questions or they want to talk more. i I don't always respond right away. um So I do appreciate and respect like um that patience and and time and response.
00:54:24
Fox and K
um But I always welcome curiosity and engagement and questions. Mm-hmm.
00:54:30
Lore Alexander
Amazing. Thank you both so much. I'm so grateful that you both exist and have come into my sphere ah ah in my corner of the internet and just happen to live nearby as well.
00:54:43
Fox and K
Yeah.
00:54:44
Lore Alexander
um you You're both so wonderful.
00:54:45
Fox and K
Likewise.
00:54:47
Lore Alexander
So thank you so much for doing something new and different and coming to chat with me today. appreciate you both a lot.
00:54:54
Fox and K
Thanks so much for having us, Laura. Love you.
00:54:57
Lore Alexander
Love you. And everybody else, ah be sure to... Actually, i guess I i got to do spiel for things I'm doing. Okay, so...
00:55:05
Fox and K
Yeah. What do you need? Yeah.
00:55:08
Lore Alexander
um Like I said, I'm going to... buy My Instagram is going to get deleted at the end of this year And so I am posting more regularly on my sub stack, Laura Alexander, and i am doing in-person workshops here in Tacoma all through the end of the year at Crafty
Upcoming Events and Workshops
00:55:27
Lore Alexander
AF. I'm doing junk journaling the second Wednesday of every month.
00:55:31
Lore Alexander
And I hang out at the ah Tacoma Night Market once a month doing community art projects, usually the first weekend of the month. um But keep an eye out ah on the Tacoma Night Market ah Instagram page for updates on that as well.
00:55:49
Lore Alexander
And I think that's all I got.
00:55:50
Fox and K
Amazing. Hey, we did it. I'm proud of us.
00:55:53
Lore Alexander
We did it All right, everybody, keep it ugly.