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Season 6- Episode 22- The Lost Episode (Premiership Round 13 & Super Rugby Round 5)
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We wondered where this episode had gone to, turns out a few more buttons needed to be hit. Go back in time as we recap the weekend that was including Women's 6 Nations action, the big game at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and all the Super Rugby you could want (before the bye weeks hit).
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Setup
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Speaker
It is The Fantasy Europeans. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody handled that. Collusion. Collusion.
Main Content Begins
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Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the fancy rugby. Thanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. It's we're here. Let's go. We got loads to talk about. So let's crack on, shall we? Oh, hell yeah. Busting this thing open. Find us on your favorite podcast app, share, download, rate, review, all that good stuff. Buy our good friend, George, the fancy rugby, get coffee or beer, especially if you did very well this past weekend in
00:00:50
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the Six Nations official game.
Six Nations Standings and Team Names
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Which apparently I did. I didn't do too bad either, so. What'd you get? I think I'm fourth in our pod league. See, I don't even know who...
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I'll even know names. Yeah, I think I'm, I'm something to do with Mohan. I know that. Oh, you're Mohan more problems. That's me. Okay. I'm cocaine energy. So I'm I knew that was you. I remember that one. Well, I kind of announced it too. So people would know. Yeah, I remember that one. And you're right behind Ash. So
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Yeah, I'm not doing too, I can't be doing too terrible. I'm not sure who Joe is. I don't know where Julia is. Obviously, Geek is easy to know. Yeah. Dunked into. Right. We know those guys. Right. Yeah, so if you're in our league, please- Rihanna. I see her down there. See her. Yeah. Yeah. If you're in the league, give us a shout. Yeah, please do. Let us know who you are. Yep. But yeah, buy that man a coffee or beer, however you see fit.
Racism in European Football
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As always, there is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. Keeping it sports relevant, but not getting into the rugby is more into the footies and proper footy, not the armored wing ball that America loves to play. The European football version.
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Uh, Brazilian players just caught a load of racist abuse, um, in Spain. And it's just, uh, Binesis Jr. who plays for Brazil and Real Madrid. It's not, and it didn't even stop there. So we got, so he received the racist abuse, which is terrible. Number one, like that's the, and for the most part, I will say clubs are usually good at like figuring out who it was and banning them for life. So that I know.
00:02:38
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But then we have, I don't even know who this muppet is. Oh, an old adult keeper who's obviously old, using a certain word referencing homosexuals towards him and saying it's a game for men. All right, cool. Using that word doesn't make you a man, so what the fuck is your problem? Anyway, so just so much, it seems to just come in waves too.
00:03:07
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It happens once and then either the same player catches it in a bunch of ways or other players seem to catch it either from the same league or from the same team or whatever and it's just like, come on, we can get beyond this guys.
Philadelphia Sports Culture
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I think most of us would love to get beyond this personally. I'm also done with, look, I'm from Philadelphia.
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Maybe it hasn't looked up what Philadelphia is like, check it out. The way I see it and the way a lot of Philadelphians see it, and obviously people take it too far, is you try to get in their heads by trying to fuck with them. There are people who would know wife's names and kids' names and stuff like that and just fuck with people, and that's a little over the line obviously too.
00:03:59
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But they're still like, you know, and we, you know, we do it at the free jacks games. We like find one guy interpret him. It's like, damn, your hair chops haircut sucks.
Playful Banter vs. Harmful Abuse
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Like that was right. That's, that's, that's, you know, playful, but also getting kids start to mess with them at the same time. Exactly. Um, and that thing, you know, but then, then people just take it too far into negative and harmful directions. And it really,
00:04:22
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goes from playful banter to just to try to get an edge to just harmful abuse and we got to get rid of that shit. It doesn't need to be harmful. Plus, how fucking clever are you? It's stupid. It's like the easy... Get creative. Don't be fucking... Not that it's beyond the whole stupidity of being bigoted.
00:04:51
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If that's the best you can do, you should be ashamed of yourself. Get clever. Yeah. Come on, man. Yeah. For example, for me, I have a friend that loves to use that particular word for homosexuals and
00:05:10
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we, the collective group of us are just like, all right, you're going to shut up for the next 30 minutes. You cannot talk. And if he talks, we just kick the shit. We literally kicked the shit out of him. So like he, and he's getting better. I will say that it was just a word that he grew up using. And that's not an excuse, but at the same time, he's now learning how to stamp it out and just knock it off, which is good. But again, you know, every once in a while it's like, all right, dude, red card, knock it off. Yeah. You gotta like, we'll just call him out on it. You're done for like 30 minutes.
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Okay. But anyway, and so yeah, so and then also fucking Mexican football can just stop chairing that chant. That'd be awesome as well. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm sure you can look it up online.
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absurd, they had to stop
Controversial Mexican Football Chant
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the, um, CONCACAF nations league final twice on Sunday because they were told to not do this. They remember those that haven't kept score, Mexico had to forfeit, um, having home fans in what got qualified because of this and they still haven't knocked it off. So the next step is probably going to be talking about, you know, um, bands from certain competitions, so on and so forth. So I would,
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It's
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If I'm the Mexican Federation, I am getting on the shit fast because you're going to lose more than you probably want to at the very least. Other than the fact that it's totally wrong and shouldn't be done. Never mind that. Never mind that. Anyhow.
Patreon Promotion and Upcoming Content
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Also don't forget to check out our Patreon. We have good shit coming out. Boombust will be up tomorrow. It'll be a condensed version because I got to obviously include both Lee, so that's going to be fun. Maybe I'll check out. The sheet should be up on the Patreon, the Super Rugby Analytics sheet. Yeah, yeah. I'm hoping. I have it like, I hope 90% of the way done. It's going to be a
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a little bit less of analytics for each, you know, FRD and super brew. I think I'm going to cut out the bench points and things like that. Um, and I won't have all full functionality for super brew just yet, but I want to get some shit up. So, um, I'm sure it'll still be helpful anyway. Yeah. I'll do what I can to get that up. Yep. I'm sure it'd be extremely helpful. Just the same. Let's go, uh, to six nations this weekend.
Six Nations Rugby Analysis
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Um,
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overarching stand out thoughts? It was as advertised. I mean, France and Ireland, there's still that gap there. It does look like there's a strong one and two that are pretty set.
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three and three, four, five are who knows. And then six is although, you know, it'll be playing against England. That's not a fair advertising for them. Right. They look at the halftime score, though. That's like the big highlight for the whole thing. Like this game last year and even two years ago, like.
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It was like 30 odd nothing by minute 20 or something like that. It was something stupid. They put up more of a fight, but in the end, as it happens a lot, the depth just kills you. If you don't have strong subs, then your front lines eventually got to give because they're just going to... You can only play defense for so long. They were hanging on by a thread in some cases.
00:08:43
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and Italy just never had the ball. So that was always gonna make life hard on them. But one thing we did see in that one that I think needs to be pointed out is the red card for the role that, it's the type of role we wanna cut out. Thank you, Darshie Swain, you douchebag. This is what we're trying to cut out. Stuff like this that just, quite frankly, it was lazy.
00:09:06
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Yeah. And she got a three game ban for it. Did she? Okay. So yeah. Down from Styx because she was, she was apparently very, you know, obviously. Very apologetic. I'm sure she had to do it, but again, it's lazy. You know, Solari, Solari, right? Um, yeah. For the tournament. I don't doubt it. Like she has a broken leg or something. I doubt it. Yeah. She looked pretty, she tried to soldier on, but nah, that happened and not happening. Um, but yeah, that's, that's why that's there. And that's the,
00:09:36
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That's also one reason I don't think we need to continue to hammer on the croc roll thing. Yeah, it's got to go. We can just let it go and it'll get solved out otherwise, so whatever. I'm right with the way things went down. I just wish she didn't get hurt, that's all. I do want to talk about the end of, well, Wales, Scotland. Yeah, without a doubt the most competitive
Wales vs. Scotland Match Analysis
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match of the weekend. It certainly was. I'm really entertaining, too. Yes.
00:10:07
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Actually, this one and I would say Friends Ireland were more entertaining than the scoreboards reflect. Although 2018, that's a fair- 2018 definitely is a fair one. A fair score, but a lot more action than that tells. It's just unfortunate for
00:10:30
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for Jones with that last kick. I was like, oh no. Here's the thing. I remember, didn't we see this a couple of years ago in Champion's Cup or something like that?
Strategic Mistakes in Rugby
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Someone kicked the ball out thinking that they were good with a tie or something, and it turns out that that eliminated them. Yes, I think it was, was it Montpelier? It was Irish? I think it was that match. Yeah.
00:10:59
Speaker
To be fair to Jones, like the whole team was setting up for a box kick. And I'm just like the whole time, I'm like, what are you doing? Why are you setting, why are you doing this? What do you do? Why is this happening? You know, unfortunately, the teenager is going to get a little bit of the blame for it, or more blame, obviously, than she deserves. Because the whole team was, yeah, this is what we're doing. And they got to know, somebody's got to say, no, no, no, we got to run it. We got to go.
00:11:25
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Doesn't matter there is no time to be screwing around with this right like even if you're box seeking to maybe try to get it back But why? You know cuz all you're picking it up way and all they're gonna do if you know, even if didn't go directly to touch There's gonna kick it out themselves Yeah, we're done. Yay Yeah, um I
00:11:47
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Not good. No. No, no. I think somebody pointed out, I think it was Evie Gallagher in the clip right after. She comes to the realization that they won with that and just jaw drop like holy crap before she gets mobbed by some of her teammates. Yeah. That was great. Yeah. There's a lot of wait. What the fuck just happened there? Big time. Big time. Big time.
00:12:18
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Yeah, it was great. How about the fucking kid? I think they gave her a player. I think they gave her a player of the match. They did. They did. And she earned it. Really good. She earned it. Whoa. I mean, if it wasn't for Jazz Joy saying, no, you're not scoring again on me.
00:12:37
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She would have skinned her once. I was like, well, I don't think we're going to get her a second time. Yeah. Jazz is like, not on my fucking watch. No, no, not again. Not again. No, no, no. You get back here, you silly person. No, no, no. Yeah. Really? Just man. Wheels. Wheels, wheels, wheels. Love seeing what I do even with, you know,
00:13:01
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Jones is like complete befuddling air. I do love seeing the young people getting injected into the competition. So it's, yeah. And we talked about, we've talked about before, like you got a little bit of the results with young halfbacks. Yep. And that's one of them. And that's going to be firmly planted in her brain.
00:13:19
Speaker
Again, that was a full team thing though. She was the one who did it, but she was doing her job within what the team wanted her to do. I thought she played well up until then anyway, even in her seven minutes, but still, that's a good taste of it. Both these teams are looking so much better than they have in the past. I'm excited for where that's going there, and Ireland too.
00:13:45
Speaker
Absolutely. These teams that have been muddling, you can see the professionalism coming in and the fitness and the speed at which they play. Even the kicking game, they're launching it just like... It used to be that women are doing it. It used to be in basketball.
00:14:08
Speaker
Yeah, especially now. And now look at that. Like it's but wait, it's weird. You give them professional contracts and let them train. And now all of a sudden they can do the things the same way that the professional men can do. Yeah, I don't tell my idea. Because you know what, like, you know, my, you know, our amateur male, male former teammates weren't doing that shit either. But you give them, you know, you let them train for 10 hours a day. And yeah, they'll do it. So it's really good to see it's it's entertaining in the crowds. I love seeing the crowds at each of these matches.
00:14:37
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Getting better and better, every week, every week.
00:14:41
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And every year, remember when they were like showing, there was like, you know, 500 people or like they were just standing by the sideline. Like they had the ropes essentially. Like we've come a long way. And they're a long way off from that. Yeah. That's, I love seeing it. And the game is, is really good. I think Korean grant was only out carried in this, in this weekend by Ellie could kill done.
00:15:10
Speaker
No shame there. No, no, no. Speaks a lot and she was just in front of Menage. Damn. The back, not the back. That's good company to be in. No, actually that was the forward. Excuse me. Oh, still good company to be in. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter. Pick one. Is it really going to be a bad choice between the two of them? No. I would like to see your Menage. I bet the hell you would. Right.
00:15:39
Speaker
Not like that. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, moving on. You have a kid. Remember that. Anyway, going to the, going to the next thing before we both put a foot in their mouth. Um, let's go to, let's go to Friday night in the pram. The return to the pram. Uh, let's start, let's, let's start on Bristol because that was fun.
00:16:06
Speaker
Extremely fun. Yeah. I mean, not obviously not for the Saints, but no, no, that's two matches in a row now that Bristol put 50 up. Why are they back? It's hard to say because Bath was, if they do it again, yes, I will say that if they needed, I need a third time because Northampton were definitely, you know, turned down.
00:16:31
Speaker
a little bit. I would say Bath before the game, before the break were turned down a bit, they were missing all their England players. And they played them both at home. Sure. Which is upside. It is a little bit. But, but, but, but with that, I will say the guys that are pulling the strings for them are the guys that need to pull the strings in order for them to be good. Precisely. In this case being Randall and begin to be on two that I can think of off the top of my head.
00:16:58
Speaker
And that's where my thoughts exactly is that you're getting, you know, um, McGinty's been on, you know, he's, he's been injured earlier in the season. Um, he's informed the, you know, his last, even, even before the six nations, he's been turning it up and Randall kind of the same thing. Um, this was to me a big step forward. One of the things I've been harping on higher Randall on was, was his fitness. Um,
00:17:22
Speaker
He looked all right. He didn't come off and he wasn't late to breakdowns. He was doing the things that he needs to do. Oh, I'm sorry. I stand corrected. He did come off, but it took him a while. No, he didn't come off. No, he didn't because Marmian came on for keyword. My fault. You're right.
00:17:43
Speaker
Yeah. Um, he played 80 and like the thing, he wasn't late to breakdowns. He's doing the things he needs to do, you know, especially now that Danny care is, has retired from international, like they're going to need guys to step up and now's the time to start putting your hand up. Yeah. And he was just one of the players who, who did that this, this weekend. Right. We'll get to a few others, but that's a, that was a huge.
00:18:07
Speaker
performance for his sake, for Bristol's sake. Pat Lambs, we talked about him being on the hot seat. If they keep playing like this and getting points in the standings, maybe they won't finish in the top six or the top four, but it's hard to fire them. So here's the other thing, though. They're in the top six now, right? Who below them is at the moment looking like a threat to overtake them? And
00:18:36
Speaker
You know, Lester, who knows? I don't know what to make of them this year. We'll get to them in a sale. Yeah, sale. I don't know what to make of them. Gloucester.
00:18:45
Speaker
are very, Gloucester and Bristol are like fucking mirror images of each other. I still think Bristol have a chance to overtake the Chiefs, so it's there for them. If they keep up playing like this, good things will happen for them. Yeah, and they're calling this the run-in, and indeed it is. It's a sprint apart from the two weeks we're going to take a break for, or the four weeks, I guess, in the end, for Champions Cup here.
00:19:12
Speaker
But let's see, Bristol are at Gloucester. They're home to Newcastle. They're at Leicester. They host us. And then they're at Quinn's. I mean, if they're going to do something, they've got a chance. There's going to be some teams they have to beat. Right. They have kind of they have the two worst teams in the league coming up right now. Right. So depending on what Gloucester shows up. Right. If they win four of those games,
00:19:39
Speaker
you know, and it's four or five are bad. Right. I mean, even three out of five might get them in, but four would be three on the spin right now too, which is good. Yeah. So they got some momentum. Let's go to over to Wellford road. Um, I know no Pollard and there were a couple of other guys that took a rest for Lester and
00:20:09
Speaker
It took them too long to get out of gear in that first half to really deserve to win this match.
Leicester's Performance Analysis
00:20:16
Speaker
They gave themselves a chance at winning it anyway, which speaks to their character, but it just didn't quite turn the gears over until really like the last try. Hi Rocky. They just didn't really turn things over until that last, the try at the end of the half there.
00:20:38
Speaker
So, I, yeah. Although that showcock try was impressed. Like that, I mean, that, first of all. That was good. Oh my god, Jack Van Portly shut up. I was like, that, I couldn't, I was like, how do you get this away? Like, I'm, you couldn't really see it on the initial camera angle. And then they showed it. I'm like, oh, that is sexy. That is just silky smooth. That's the good shit right there.
00:21:04
Speaker
That's what that is. Speaking of people looking to replace Danny Care. Right. I mean, you know, there's reason to think that this is going to be a battle between Alex Mitchell and Jack Van Portfley with a sprinkling of other halfbacks in there, Randall, Quirk, a few others to be named. It's better for a little while, too. Yeah. We'll see what the final shake of it is, but
00:21:29
Speaker
Yeah, but my favorite part of this whole match was that last 10 minutes where everything Austin Healy said about what these teams should be doing was fucking wrong. Like before the Shilcock tries, I can't remember exactly what it was, but he was like, Oh, they should be looking for the
00:21:48
Speaker
Uh, look and look into, um, kick a penalty. Like that's what they should. Oh, it was a drop goal. He was really a drop goal here. And then I was like, nope. And then go back. Right. And coming back the other way, it was the same kind of thing. He's like, Oh, they should, you know, like maybe, Oh, they were looking for the penalty. I was like, no. Yeah.
00:22:06
Speaker
And he's like, well, they should, you know, they should, they should put, go for the post. And it's like at the mid field. It's like, no, put it in the fucking corner. Go for that too as well. Yeah. Go for the post. So I was like, yeah, both of you need to shut up. Both of you needs to shut the fuck up. Cause you know, Stephen Varney has this obviously, obviously scutes. He's got the scutes and that, and I'm not talking about the bad ones.
00:22:32
Speaker
Obviously, we can't end the conversation about this match without talking about...
00:22:39
Speaker
What's his name for Gloucester? I got it. He's wearing the blue hair gear, right? Although, actually, there was another blue head gear on the hill, too. That was pretty good. No. We were talking about putting your hands up for England. Zach Mercer. As you said, there's no way to factor in the sticking up your ass more, though, that some of these players are playing with right now because they are.
00:23:02
Speaker
Mercer's one of them. Yes, he is. One does not simply walk into Wellford Road and do that. I didn't expect it, obviously. I sat him. I benched him because I was like, my fantasy team- My other option was Fitzharding, so I was like- I went with Jasper and Barbary and Gonzo. I was like, you know what? Those have better match ups, so I'm going to go with them. Nope, that was dumb.
00:23:27
Speaker
Well, it was, you know, she made sense of the way. Yeah. Zach, you know, I, you know, there's also the shove it up Ben's bum for, for set benching me too. So fair play, Zach. You all the way over here. Yeah. Even through the headgear. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well played, sir. Let's, let's see. So
00:23:48
Speaker
This is, so Gloucester are not making top four. We know that. Right. Um, Lester's running our new castle next week. That's kind of the layup. Um, they have to go to saints. That would be fine. They host Bristol, which should be interesting to, to sale. That's not going to be fun. Then they host Exeter. We'll see what Exeter have by then. Yeah. So it's a mixed bag, I think in terms of,
00:24:15
Speaker
good matchups versus bad matchups. I think probably three out of five of these are winnable. Yeah. Yeah. And then if they get a fourth out of that, then yeah, they give themselves a shot. Same idea. Same idea. So we'll see. We'll see all that. Excuse me. She's out Saturday.
Saracens' Outstanding Performance
00:24:40
Speaker
I mean, let's go to Tottenham Hotspur Stadium because holy shit. If you told me this was going to happen, number one, I would've called you a fucking liar and said, bullshit, shut up. Don't put the hex on. Number one, don't put the hex on me right now. I don't need that. That's bad juju right there. Yeah. But God damn.
00:25:00
Speaker
What was that, Saracens? Holy shit. What did you guys have for breakfast? I know. Well, they asked Rick and one of the coaches, like, did you feed these guys raw meat? What the hell? Oh, man. That was a hell of a day. And here's the other thing. This was without Maro. Yeah, you heard himself earlier in the week. He would have played otherwise. Right. There are several players that like,
00:25:27
Speaker
They're still, you know, not quite back yet. You know, this is scary. This team is fucking scared. Yeah, without Andy Christie, not that they needed him like. No, I know. I know. It's like and I'm I'm I'm glad the 60. I'm still not a fan of 60 splits. I'm glad I didn't bite a split. Right. Damn.
00:25:56
Speaker
I am.
00:25:58
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I was, I was watching this and he was on the bench, but either way, he wasn't on the bench. Yeah. No, no, no. He didn't start, but you know, look at that, but look at that bench though. I'm sorry. Like Maui and Riccioni at prop Jamie, George Willis, Christie Gareth, who is, I think is underrated and Alex good. Yeah. Just casual. Alex good coming in. Right. And it's such a nice calm, cool head to come on and finish the job off. And I mean,
00:26:28
Speaker
There are good days where you put Alex good at fullback. There are good days where you put daily at fullback. And obviously this is one of the good days to put daily at fullback because he was feeling it by, you know, when he starts firing the fricking pass through his legs and the tit and the market's like, I think he's on something. So you might as well just feed on the ball. You know, that's, that's kind of a science. Like one of those international signs of
00:26:47
Speaker
This is this is going to be one of those days where he does a lot of good things when he's around the ball and when he has his hands on the ball. So just do it. Yeah. Oh, no. That's that's who because he didn't shake and drop. Shake and drop. So Maitland had a no number on his back and scored. It's going to a brace. Yeah. So he used to be the thing about that. Yeah. Yeah. And really, like I did not have this on twins either. Like, you know, here's the thing.
00:27:17
Speaker
Saracen's played a damn good game. Quinn's played a damn bad game. They did. And that's what really the Solop side. Like if it's the other way around, it's the same score line, except in favor of Quinn's or at least similar. And then obviously both of them either going up or going down makes it a competition. But because number one, both these teams love to attack when they're on fire and both of these teams have number 10s that can run the show quite well.
00:27:47
Speaker
It just, it was always going to be bad news if either team just bothered to not show up. And for whatever reason, I don't know what it was about this trip to Tottenham for Quinn's in this, this incident, but holy shit, I was baffled at how poorly they played. Cause I just did not think this was something they had in their locker and that's not a good thing. Right. I don't know. I don't, yeah, I don't know. I honestly don't know what to say about it. Cause it was, it was,
00:28:18
Speaker
Yeah, just shocking. That's all. That's all it could be. Like Andre was kind of like all the more ghosts. In a way, like Jaron Green, like tried to get things going, but he never they didn't give him room. I mean, that's the other thing is that Saris are on defensively and and Quinn's just couldn't solve them at all. But I also, as you said, I don't think Quinn's really showed up, so no. Hard to hard to solve a defense when your attack is just.
00:28:48
Speaker
poop in the bed. Yeah. I mean, we can go up and down the list of guys that played really well on this team. It's just the list of people who were on the team. Pretty much. The few and far between. Right. One thing that came out of it and
00:29:09
Speaker
And that was the, uh, no decision on the Levis incident where he, was it Gonzo? Or was it, was it Farrell? That makes a lot of sense. That's why Farrell got up and got all pissy. I don't blame Farrell for that either. It's kind of shitty. And he was on the yellow already. Yeah. And so I guess what happened, something I just read, um, what happened was,
00:29:35
Speaker
Um, the TMO somehow could hear the broadcast and was like kind of getting mixed signals between himself, the referee and them. So he, it's not an excuse. And, um, Terrence said, Terrence was the TMO, I believe he said the same. He's like, yeah, it's not an excuse. I'm not trying to get myself out of this, but you know, I had a,
00:29:59
Speaker
had the wires crossed with the broadcast as well. It should have been a card. I think most people can agree it should have been a card. It was definitely. And it was not, there are players that are thuggish and Levis isn't one of them. It was stupid. And I was just a red mist. It was just some like, I'm frustrated. Oh, maybe I can just flop on somebody. I don't think it was, it was meant harshly. Um, yeah. One of those frustration things that just kicks in and you're just,
00:30:26
Speaker
They had a bad day and you know who had a bad day and could not get away from Kristoff Ridley's eyesight was Joe Marlar. No matter what, no matter where Joe seemed to go, Ridley was on him already. I was like, no, Joe, you might want to just like hide somewhere too. He could not get away. I was like, it just started from word go to. I was like, yikes, you're already in. I don't blame Joe for the countdown either.
00:30:54
Speaker
Listen, I get annoyed by the whole thing too. And if I was a player, I'd probably do at least once until the referee told me to stop. Right. Especially because like, I mean, we saw, we saw of all fucking people, we saw Ben O'Keefe do a countdown on a player. Right. Was it last week or I get confused as to which week it was? I think it was last week. Yeah.
00:31:15
Speaker
First off, good. Do that. Refs should be doing that. There's a lot of use it. All right, now I'm going to sit here and put my thumb up and boom. No, if you told him to use it, that's got it. Yeah. Anybody that's trashing the whole, the incentive that they're talking about basically saying use it faster.
00:31:31
Speaker
You're not going to get multiple encouragement calls. You're going to get one, and that's going to be the end. Otherwise, you're going to turn the ball over. I don't see a negative about it. So what the hell are we trashing it for? Right. And if I'm a player, yeah, I'm counting down two. If it's taken that long, I'm going to start doing it too. Because basically, it's to tell the ref, look, enforce it. You've made your decision. Enforce it.
00:31:51
Speaker
Absolutely. Nobody's going to buy it if you're not ready to do the job that you said you were going to do. Exactly. I actually thought that the Saris were lucky several times.
00:32:04
Speaker
On the Usits, yeah. On the Usits. So, yep. There's the one downside, I would say, of the Saracens is they are really slow. When they're slow, they're really slow. Yeah. It's like, oh, come on, dude. Like, you can be a little slow and just gather yourself. Right. But we don't need to take off fucking day. No. Please no. So we're covering whatever. Might as well just keep going with the run-in theme. Saints next week for Saracens at Franklin's Gardens on Friday. That's going to be hard.
00:32:33
Speaker
Home to Gloucester, that's doable. At Bath, not fun. At Bristol, not fun. Home to sale probably will be determining many fates at that point. Yeah, Saracen's probably going to have to nick at least one of those tough away games. I think they should. I mean, if they play like this, yeah.
00:32:53
Speaker
Yes, I agree. And then this, and I guess the, one of the things that came out, um, either before or after the game about Farrell, like, yeah, he's like, you know, I'm just gonna, you know, he's taking this time to look back and just say, all right, I'm going to enjoy my time. You know, my last bit here with.
00:33:10
Speaker
Saracen's I'm gonna have fun and if if this is all unfair I'll have fun then Russell you better be careful and I have every reason I think it will be honestly I think this is uh, I think this is his he's gonna have a nice Pleasant goodbye to England for the next couple years Yeah, I'm fairly confident. I know that some of those games are hard but Yeah
00:33:36
Speaker
We don't have to most point them all, we just gotta win them. There's a difference. Quinn's, they're hosting Bath next week, that should be a fun one to watch. At sale, that's never fun. I'm not worried about Quinn's at sale. At sale, as we saw this week, I don't think sale can keep up with them. Home to Saints, that'll be a fun match to watch. At Exeter, yeah, I think at that point we're gonna have
00:34:05
Speaker
a lot of decisions at the point and then home to Bristol, same thing. I think, well, I think we'll know some answers by then. So I think I can, I can see they're running the table, maybe bar that saints game. Yeah. That's what I see. I see three or four wins there. Yeah. I'd say, I'd say four is probably the minimum for them there. So make some probably top four. Yeah. So bad news for us. We've already decided everybody can go home. Yep. Um,
00:34:35
Speaker
dickheads in Newcastle, even just looking at the score line, and I have it on over here, my show over to my left here.
00:34:46
Speaker
I don't know how you're like celebrating this win if you're exiting or you should be worried. Absolutely. This is not a good Newcastle team. No. Anybody that says otherwise is not watching rugby for the right reasons. And the weather should favor the weather should favor exit or the way they play. So the way they played this year. Yeah, they should be like, you know, mauling storm and like just pounding them physically and they didn't. So what do you got?
00:35:15
Speaker
Yeah, it was, you know, they went behind early with the Stevenson try and just, I, and they never panicked. So, okay, good. But, and I know they're, I mean, they're missing what? Jenkins, Slade and Roots.
00:35:33
Speaker
Yeah. And Wobosso, I guess a little bit. Yeah, Fae Wobosso, yep. Yeah, that's really the ones that I'm worried about in that are Slade and Fae Wobosso. And Wyatt, really. But he's hurt, so. I thought he played this week.
00:35:47
Speaker
No, no. Okay. He did not. Okay. Um, but yeah, and we'll see, we'll see if he ever gets healthy. Right. But still, that's like, but even the, like, okay. So Faye Woboso and Wyatt are, are ballers, but like Dafa Jenkins, is there really that much difference between him and our, uh, Tuima or a Vermeulan? No. For roots? Like, no, not really. No, no, very little.
00:36:15
Speaker
very, very little. This is not a marginal thing we're talking about here. This is like a problematic thing. Right. And they got they got capstick back. All right. Oh, which was in this game. Nevermind. I'll shut my mouth on that one. Yeah, he was. No, no, no, he dropped. The drop. Okay. Yeah, he was he was announced to start. He was going to start. But he didn't. I'm looking at the prem.
00:36:37
Speaker
Match center and I remember I also had to change that out because when I was doing the Analytic sheet he was supposed he was supposed to start so he was in my age. So did Romelan go to six is that what it was? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, there's the answer to that. All right, so never mind I was in my expected starters and he didn't start dope Yeah, I mean when Bush had an okay match I guess in the centers but like
00:37:04
Speaker
Todd shit the bed. Yeah, I did. I think somebody else did too that I know. Anyway, it was not.
00:37:18
Speaker
It's not unimpressive, and I'm glad Newcastle was able to front up against one team at least, and not completely just fold over every five seconds, but damn. This was at home against a far lesser opponent. I don't care who you're missing. You need to just throttle this team. Did they even score four? No, they didn't. Yeah, they did. Did they? Yeah. Fizzle out, Wimbush, CO, and Tuima scored.
00:37:47
Speaker
They must have got that last one. They got one conversion and one penalty. That's how they got to the 25. Good. Then your point differential, a couple of favors. Right. Swimming had odds kicking. Because what? You can't have Skinner. Is Skinner really that bad?
00:38:05
Speaker
He is. I think he is. Here's the thing. I think he is. At what point do you have to... He's been there for a while, and I know he hasn't gotten a full run until this year, so I'm willing to give him a little bit of slack, but thus far this season, I'm overall unimpressed with this game.
00:38:30
Speaker
Uh, you know, he's had flashes. He has not been consistent by any means whatsoever. Um, a 10 that can't kick is usually gonna be not looked upon. Great. So that's going to be kind of your downfall. So I, I, yeah, if you're exited, like, this is what you're going to bring, bring for your whole match against Newcastle, who are by and large the worst team in the league.
00:38:57
Speaker
Yeah, it's cause for concern, so that all bullshit about Baxter being like, I don't know why everyone thinks we're, why everyone's concerned about this team. I'm like, eh, exhibit A, you had to kind of muscle it out against the worst team. And don't forget, they went up to Newcastle and did not play a good game either. They probably should have lost that game too, so. That's why I'm not really that, I'm not impressed by Exeter. No. Shockingly. I know that that may come as a shock to,
00:39:25
Speaker
many people that have listened to us before. Right. But like this is not a team that they're not built for this. They're not built for the modern, as of, you know, 10 years ago, game, like, yeah, sure. It was one thing when they had the Simmons brothers and a couple other guys and, you know, LCD at his peak and the handle at his peak. But you don't have that anymore.
00:39:53
Speaker
And then they really don't have anything. It's like, OK, that's why it's like, oh, you're missing roots. Yeah. What the fuck? What difference would that make? You're missing David Jenkins. What the fuck difference does that make? Like you missed two guys who are going to rock the same way Vermeulen and Pearson and like capstick should be the like the fact that you got to start capstick and fizzle out like that. You should be moving it. And even then we can can scoot to for a lock like you actually have some some guys who are useful in the loose would burn Hodge and
00:40:22
Speaker
You're still you're still just slogging it out because. Yeah, Rob Baxter. Doesn't know about.
00:40:34
Speaker
All right, let's look at these dickheads running. They have to go to sale again. I don't think that's going to be fun. That's a bad matchup for them. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah, they can do the same types of things that they can in buy the sale and do better. Still a better, I think. They have a better 10, they have a better, they have some much better players, and they have a team that's played together for much longer than Justice. Right, you have a better coach, too.
00:40:55
Speaker
Yeah, um, Chiefs and Bath, and Bath will come and do their thing. Yeah. Going to Gloucester, that'll be difficult. Quinn, as we talked about, we think that's going to be something that Quinn's can handle. And then going to Tigers, that's not going to be fun. It's possible Exeter have won their last match of the year. There is a possibility. It's not even an outside possibility. I mean, Gloucester. I'm guessing there's one win somewhere in here. I'm looking at Gloucester for that. Same.
00:41:24
Speaker
but still going to Gloucester, going to the home? It won't be fun. It won't be easy. And it'll be fucking ugly, but it'll, you know, it'll be there. Anyway, let's go over to the rack. Was a little competitive.
00:41:41
Speaker
I actually saw Meditooling do something useful for the first time in like three years. A couple useful things, scarily. That's the most useful I've seen him in a while. Seriously. Okay. Yep. Where's that been? Now he's off to France, so whatever. But it wasn't enough for sale, unfortunately. Do you think England could have done with Joe Cocken to sing it at wing, potentially? I think that might have helped them a little bit. Yeah. I mean, not daily.
00:42:08
Speaker
Yeah, not I mean perfect didn't play terribly so I won't give him too much shit But yeah, there's just a few guys that they could have done a little bit better with. Yeah, if you have Freeman and Kakinasega out there as your wingers, I'm liking that a lot more. That's not a fun pair to be playing against, especially between their speed and size. It's like, yeah, that's not gonna be fun to play against.
00:42:32
Speaker
Oh man, Hodge cut. I just saw the freaking bump from that, uh, Stevenson gave Hodge. I didn't see it before. I just saw the replay. Ouch. Um, anyway, sorry, squirrel.
00:42:47
Speaker
To me though, you know, and Ford, Ford is, is kind of, you know, he has re-found his, his attacking form. He's actually, my problem with Ford is that he spent too much time in that sitting back and hot and spiral bombing. And he still got a little bit into that this past this game, but, um, yeah, again, it's the, it's, it's not their top end guys. Obviously, obviously that's how it works. It's not the top end guys have the problem for sale. It's.
00:43:12
Speaker
like that you have some top-end guys you have like you know ford played well manu played well um dugdale played well oddly enough yes um yep
00:43:25
Speaker
Then what else did you have? Reed and Ro Buck weren't bad. The back of the overall wasn't terrible. No. Dupree's wasn't terrible. They're putting Bobby Doops in a position that's not really going to be his best. People say it is, it's like, nope, it's not. If we're honest. Yeah.
00:43:43
Speaker
But then you look across the way and it's like, you know, Ben Spencer versus Gus Warwell, who's winning that? Spencer by far. Yeah. Alfie Barbary, Jean-Luc Dupree, Ted Hill, Ernst van Ryn. Yeah. Hill over van Ryn by a long shot. Under Hill over Doug. It's just one after the other, you're like, yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking. And Benno Obana was a monster in this man. Not that he's never a monster. Anyway, he's always a monster. But he was- Never not a monster. Played super fucking well. Yes.
00:44:13
Speaker
Yeah. And that's just, that's it. That's the difference. Again, sale can only hit a certain level and that they can't go, they have a ceiling. And if the other team plays above that ceiling, this is what happens. Right. Yep. Agreed. I mean, credit to them for still getting, didn't they get a bonus point?
00:44:36
Speaker
I believe they got four, yeah. No, they only got three tries. Oh, did they? Yeah. I can't count today. That was it. Okay. Yeah, not good. No.
00:44:49
Speaker
You can't come away with, that's right, because they were looking for potentially a double bonus point before Ollie Lawrence called game. No, no, no, you don't get done with that. We're not selling that here. You might get one bonus point, but you won't. You won't? You will not.
00:45:11
Speaker
Well, let's go to, Oh, wait, what do we got for the run-ins for these teams? Oh, um, good point. So bath, I just, I just pulled up. There we go. Uh, at Quinn's, um, and that exit doable home to home to us. They're at new castle. That's the upside for them and home to North Hampton that here's the thing. If, if bath come out of the other side of this with, you know, three to four wins in that type of schedule, that's going to be.
00:45:39
Speaker
Let's do a little bit of good going, going into, um, knockouts if they can get to the semi-final. Right. And they're cause they're a dangerous fucking team. So they could, they could win any of those, but probably they won't win all of them. Certainly sale could get some momentum here. They've got their hosting Exeter. Yep. Then they're hosting cleanse. Then they're at new castle. Oh, they host Lester. And then the last day, then they're traveling to the stone X.
00:46:08
Speaker
I mean, to get some momentum here. Two definite wins there. And then we'll see. But they're still they still they are are eight points out of out of fourth place. So needs them. I mean, they got a chance to beat some of the teams that are in the running right now wins and us, especially right. And Lester, who are right there. So it's it's doable, but they got it. You know, they need some help. No, I agree. They can't just be their own effort. No, not known.
00:46:38
Speaker
Let's go over to super real quick. Um, I don't think we need to cover too much of what happened in Palmerston North, like the hurricanes.
00:46:51
Speaker
I like, I'd be more disappointed if I was a Rebels fan than anything else in this whole thing. Cause that was bad. Yeah. I'm still waiting for them to show up, show some fight, get off the bus. Yeah. Really. Yeah. And I mean, cool to see Mason Gordon make his debut and play with his brother. That's cool. He scored on his debut. Great. Well done.
00:47:16
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, there's some really good young talent on this hurricanes team and then they mixed it with some very savvy Wiley veterans like TJ and shield shield scored on his return did Have some quality veterans like James Tucker even but this this was this was very yeah still this was a
00:47:42
Speaker
What was it? It's like almost a major league team except for some guys, right? But like a couple of has-beens and a bunch of never will be but that they would they will be just guys who aren't quite ready yet versus guys who are You know a little long on the tooth like TJ. Mm-hmm. Obviously Jordy and Ray Aussie are fine No complaints there, but like you look at that back row
00:48:06
Speaker
Flanders, Karifi, and Shields, and you're like, this is definitely the B-side, like, they're throwing out there. And those guys fucking dominated. Dewey was everywhere. Yeah, he was annoying. He was a pest.
00:48:18
Speaker
And then you had Jose come off the bench playing against tired bodies. I was like, that's just me. That's not fair. That's just me. Don't do that. Yeah. Don't do that. It's like, it's like in beer fest. Don't do that. Don't touch that. Like, no, no, no, no. That's just very mean. Yeah. Uh, anyway, uh, G over the GIO, uh, again, it's not too similar. Um, Brumby's just handled things and, um,
00:48:45
Speaker
the the right try was the first one was right. I mean, it all started by court tool. And that's that if you're a Brumbies fan, that's exactly what you need want to happen a lot like tool and right to hook up and just, you know, being each other's pocket and breaking the line. Nothing else. Yeah, I mean, to me, the difference, the only difference between this, this match and the previous one that we glossed over to was
00:49:10
Speaker
This is this is this is an A side for for Brumby's. This was them like turning up and turning them up. So yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I don't know. I just don't know what I mean. And if anything, Moana, I mean. I think we know that it's scary to say that Haveli is the is your 10 Lea Liofano is he's a little old, let's be honest. Yeah, his best days are well behind him.
00:49:39
Speaker
And it just was not a, obviously a great performance by the entire team. So. Yeah. Rough, really hard to show up with, you know, to kind of stomach that they really need to start picking it up. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. Let's go to Drew and Taz. This match was so boring.
00:50:08
Speaker
Well, I mean, so boring. A lot of people have gotten run off this park. Yeah, they have. So, Creditas were hanging in there the whole time and, I mean, they,
00:50:21
Speaker
Drew had a shot to end this thing with that last break before we went to Golden Point with River Tawanda, and then I don't remember who it was that knocked it on, but I was like, oh, that's so close. But then they got the one that was about the most haphazard drop kick for a win. It really was. It really was. That is a terrible idea, but it works so OK, but damn. Nice little cut back. Like, I'm going to get myself a little bit of space and bang this through and call game and it
00:50:51
Speaker
Yeah. I was like, uh, that's not good. You decide. No, I'm still doing it. I was like, Hey, one, the game. So can't, can't complain. No, I'm sure. I promised you that nobody over there is complaining at the moment. They don't ask how many. Yeah. Generally speaking, especially for Jewish sake there. I mean, let's be real. Like they still play very entertaining rugby. This is never, it's rarely a boring match to watch with a video in Drua.
00:51:19
Speaker
Sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't. Right. So this one worked. And to me, actually, to me, the big thing here is that they could serve they survived. Ravi Tamada getting shut down. Mm hmm.
00:51:34
Speaker
Yeah, mostly locked up for about 70 odd minutes. Yeah. And, you know, obviously it helps when you have your Sefo Masi, a little bit. Yeah. And Joe Cessi back healthy too. He played pretty well too. Yeah. Guy's a monster. But that's the thing. They've got, they've got the horses out there. So, and Isaiah Armstrong Revula is, I think he's looking real delish.
00:52:00
Speaker
Yeah, not bad. Especially considering that their first choice months will be out for I think the whole season. Yeah, and I see their first choice anymore. Might not be a shirt no more. Might not be that shirt no more. Anyway, let's run over to over Waikato and
00:52:22
Speaker
I know the score line probably flatters the Highlanders if we're honest. Oh, it absolutely does. They scored a couple of garbage chime tries. Yeah, they got Broughton and Rotomai-Davuki-Nipkins within the 70th mid. So Broughton's was like, all right, that's the end anyway. That was the end, yeah. Yeah, so it didn't matter. Right.
00:52:49
Speaker
I want to say, I really wish I could say that I believe that they would have been in it had not been for the Toyota ride car, but I can't. No. They never really had it. Right. No, it just, it looked like even though. At that point they were already two tries down at least two. Yeah. Because who is it? Rowan of squad early, Slater scored early. Yeah, there you go. That's the one.
00:53:11
Speaker
Um, and, uh, Rotomo was afterwards, but God, yeah, no, it was Slater and Poyapi, or Poyapi got one right after that. So maybe Rona, that's what it was. There we go. That's the one, Rona and Slater. Rona's nice little dot, like he, that's what they need. You know, that's exactly what the chiefs need is another center slash wing who can just decide. No matter what. Yeah. Who can finish? Yeah. No big deal.
00:53:36
Speaker
No problem. Talia's banned for three weeks. Good. That was a fucking cheap shot. That was a stupid thing. But that's the thing. That's the problem with these 20 minute reds. Right. Is that like the players are just going to do that. There's no real concern for player welfare. It's like, OK, yeah, it's a red. I might as well just go all out for it instead of maybe try to, you know, try to restrain myself and OK, I'm realizing I'm doing something bad.
00:54:06
Speaker
pull up a little bit, get it, take a yellow instead of a red, right? But they don't do that because whatever it's like, you know, yes, I'm going to be out of the game, but it's only 20 minutes. My team that much shitty. No, no, no, no. I panic stations in Christchurch. Like, is there any, is there anything else at this point? Like,
00:54:33
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, I think they need to hit that panic button. Really? At some point, you know, we're beyond. I don't care who the fucking coach is. Look at that. Look at that fucking lineup. At some point, the players have to stand up and say, you know what? Like they have, you know, I mentioned Major League earlier. At some point, they got to stand up and say, fuck this shit. We are going to go. We're going to play to the best of our abilities and go win.
00:54:56
Speaker
Right. And we're going to actually show the fuck up, but they're not. There's still some quality in this team. And they were talking about it during the broadcast. And you and I have talked about it already. Where is Levi Aamua in this game plan? Right. Here's the thing. Moana figured out what they had with him. Yeah. And there's a reason that he was successful, because they figured out how to build around him in that back line. Yes, there were a couple other guys that were threats, too.
00:55:25
Speaker
does sort of the fucking crusaders. So what's your excuse? Like is Riley, who hip or really, or whatever his name is, that doesn't matter. Cause he's not very good. Um, is hip or really your, your answer? I don't think so. I mean, get him out of there. He's next. Okay. That's a, that's a next for me. I mean, we know that, um, shoot, um, what's his name? Um,
00:55:47
Speaker
Fergus Burke is coming northern hemisphere now it looks like. I saw Izzy Dagg is bemoaning the fact that he's leaving because he likes him. He's like, it's only 24. There's so much to learn. And where the fuck? He hasn't played yet this year.
00:56:03
Speaker
No, no. And he was the second man for Richie, which being second for now for Richie is not a big deal. No. Let's clarify that. Even that. But like, what are you doing with this? Oh, what the hell? What's he what's he giving you? If he's giving you nothing. Fucking make a move there, too. But also demand a little bit more of them if the players are on the field. Like you got to say, hey, we got this guy who's an outside center, who is just a fucking wrecking ball. Get him the ball.
00:56:31
Speaker
Yeah. Like that's your job as a tennis to get the ball to players who can do shit and. Yeah, he's not doing it. And Camaro and Camaro was bad. It was bad, too. Let's just let's just clarify that as well. It's not like right. And here's the thing. And the other thing that just drives me a little bit baddie with this whole situation of theirs is continuing to believe that like Willie Hines and Mitchell Drummond are going to pull them out of this as well at nine like.
00:57:01
Speaker
Hotham came on and had a spark. Not a ton happened because I think the Coursera just kind of dropped their heads a little bit, if we're honest. But he comes in, he has a spark, he's got a little bit of fire about him. Is he going to screw up? Absolutely. If he's going to screw up at a million miles an hour as well. I would encourage to look at some youth in those positions and then look at some
00:57:29
Speaker
Look at your game plan. Your game plan is quite frankly dog shit. I don't think anybody would deny it. No tries in your first game in how many years should be the biggest alarm bell ever. Never mind the fact that you're
00:57:45
Speaker
Haven't won a game and you haven't put more than a couple points on the board like no tries Against and these are games that they're losing against Kiwi rivals, which is like a huge no-no for the Crusaders like holy shit Never mind the fact that they lost to the draw or the Todd's as well lump that in there I mean they lost to the drill with with razor as coach. So that's you know, I
00:58:07
Speaker
That's forgivable. It's a way. It is. But this is, and I know this is a way too, but still at some point, like not, they're not showing up is, um, this problematic and it's becoming a trend. So yeah, I think they need to get, I think they need to, um, let Corey Kellogg go in the back row and push Gardner back into the middle. It would give us some more dynamism as well. And they're like,
00:58:33
Speaker
K L is a, is a youngster. So whatever that's fine. Um, and I know they have some problems that lock in terms of injury. So forgivable, but okay. You have guys that have done the job before it, get them on there. You know, you got.
00:58:48
Speaker
You got this, like gardener, I think is more a lock anyway. So just chuck them in there and do that. Yeah. And like, you don't have any, there's no dynamic anywhere. There's no dynamic players anywhere in that pack too. It's a very much like, um, a sale problem or, um, you know, do less, you know, even exit or have some, some dynamic players in their pack. So, um, I can't even say that this, this, I looked through their, that, that went through rate and I'm like,
00:59:18
Speaker
Who do I want to give the ball to a lot? Nobody. No. Maybe Colin Grace. That's a... Yeah. That's the only one I can even put in that breath. Yeah. Even then, I'm okay giving him the ball. I don't want to, but I'm okay doing it. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably a stretch. Agreed. So, yeah. Rob Henney, you got problems. Crusaders, you got problems. Sorry for folks in Christchurch.
00:59:42
Speaker
You've hit the wall. But for everyone else, we've been waiting for this moment. Let's enjoy it. I know, right? Our moment has arrived. Yes, please. Everybody's been relishing this. I'm waiting for this to happen. Unfortunately. Crusaders, even Highlanders are more interesting than you right now. Which? Terrifying. Hilarious. Anywho, speaking of more interesting than things. Force won a game.
01:00:15
Speaker
What happened? I don't know. Like that first half, they just kind of, the Reds just kind of, you know, fumbled and befuddled themselves a little bit. And they weren't terrible, but like, they just kind of let it go. And then freaking Kunzell scored in the first couple of minutes of the second half. And like that, it's almost like the Reds just kind of said, Oh, that's, I guess we're losing this match. No, no, no, no. What's wrong with you?
01:00:45
Speaker
Get your ass in gear. What's the matter with you? I mean, it's a long trip. It's an away match. Okay. You're allowed to poop the bed a couple of times, but still, this is one of the worst teams in the competition. You let them put a 40 burger up on you. You're a couple of weeks away from slamming the door on the Chiefs. Right.
01:01:10
Speaker
So grand over team has their bogey team. Right. So it's pretty put it this way, though. Who the Reds are playing Brumby's this week. That is going to be one to watch.
Reds vs. Brumbies Anticipation
01:01:21
Speaker
Yeah, there's going to be some anger from from the Queensland players. And the Brumby's already a good team. So they're going to front up. But yeah, we're going to. I'm interested in seeing the response to this. That's that's all I can say from the games. What are you going to do about this?
01:01:42
Speaker
Yeah, that's going to be interesting. So at least, yeah. And then let's just take a wee jog. Actually it's not over. It's not too Quincy. It's over to Chicago back to the scene of the crime. And when I say crime, I mean championship. Um, Jason Patras beats everyone, apparently.
01:02:03
Speaker
Yep. Agreed. Agreed.
01:02:09
Speaker
I mean, you know, if it's not Bodhin Wakka, it's Jason Patras. So we're kind of used to it at this point. Nothing new. No, it was, it was good. And at the same time, I'm still like,
01:02:25
Speaker
Why the fuck is Kyle playing? He was terrible. He was horrible. Here's the thing. If Kyle can make a fucking tackle, instead of get like, and you know, is the back of it, you know why his fucking nameplate was falling off? Because he kept getting like smooshed onto his back.
01:02:41
Speaker
Yep. Like that was the turf, rubbing it off because he's on his back all the time. Kyle gets just fucking wrecked, standing straight up. The guy just is like, all right, I'm going to throw my shoulder right into your chest. Kyle goes for a fucking fly. He didn't even go for a ride. And then right after that, they have the numbers and they spin it out wide and penalty try time.
01:03:02
Speaker
And it's like- Yeah, and that's what I was thinking too. I was like, it's his fault that Reach went to the bin. Totally. Reach didn't make a good decision by doing what he did, but at the same time, he's not in that position if Kyle makes that fucking tackle. Yep. And then Kyle missed tackles left and right too. He was just such poop. It's getting to the point where now, our last match that we went to, and I got to talk to Mags just a little bit, but I'm almost regretting that I said, when are you getting Kyle the fuck out of there?
01:03:32
Speaker
Because goddamn, I don't want, you know, I like to support the team, obviously, and I don't want to talk shit about any one player. But there's a very clear line that this guy is not quality. He's not he's not capable of playing in this league. It's not getting better. It's getting worse, if anything. That's the scary part is like it looked like it could get better last year, but then it it's just.
01:03:56
Speaker
Nope. He reached his peak last year. I don't think this is a question. It is time to move on because they got so many better players and then the scrum settled in when they brought their reserves on. Hala scored even. Yeah.
01:04:11
Speaker
Not Kai Ha. That's right. So, case and point. Right. Case and point. One thing I will say for Chicago's sake, you might want to keep the Carlson guy on the field. He looked really dangerous for the most part.
Mispronunciation Frustrations
01:04:27
Speaker
When somebody teach these commentators how to say, Leinster, please. I'm so sorry, Carney family and everybody that's like,
01:04:36
Speaker
We have really stupid people that call these games sometimes. We know it's not Leinster. It's Leinster. Well, they didn't know anything. They called it like an illegal forward pass. And it's like, it's not. I heard that too. I was like, oh. I don't know what the term is. I'm thinking like you're dating yourself, which is not the right term. But it's like, oh, you're showing your colors. No, they're showing that they came up calling football. They're like, oh, it's illegal. When you get beyond the line of scrimmage and you throw it anyway, that's an illegal forward pass. Oh, true. True.
01:05:06
Speaker
So they're just reverting to what they know. Just call it a forward pass because you can't do it at all in rugby. Right. So this thing is a legal forward pass. Also, kids. I'm not sure, Kiwi. Kids. Kids. When we say tackle cheek to cheek, get your head behind the runner.
01:05:27
Speaker
Nate Augsburgher, that's why. And I'm not trying to, I'm not blaming him. It happens. The game is fast and he's a little on the older side. So he's got to do what he can to get in position. And he's not big. And he's not big. So he threw his body in front of the runner.
01:05:43
Speaker
but knee right to the ear and lights out. I'm glad he's okay. He was up and he was cracking jokes. So that's why I feel comfortable saying that. And I'm sure he would not mind being like, yes, please. That's the example of why not to do that. Don't do what I did, guys. Yeah.
01:06:00
Speaker
Um, that, yeah, that's not, that's not many examples that you can think of sometimes. Yeah. Um, but ultimately I'm, I'm nervous about this free Jax team right now. They're good. They're well, at least they're, I shouldn't say they're good. They're not very good, but they're just better than the teams they're playing. Um,
01:06:16
Speaker
thus far. They've made too many mistakes. There made so many handling errors and trying to throw an extra pass when just taking it down and recycling it would have been just the best idea. You've got guys running, just trust them on the next phase rather than trying to get it to them now because there's players in between you and them. That's why the passes are going forward. That's why you're forcing shit that's not there.
01:06:39
Speaker
And I know they want to play. We all because we love to see it. But the time at some point they have to just say, OK, we're going to play open, but.
01:06:49
Speaker
Chill the fuck out. When it's time to just take it down, take it down. Also, do not let Kyle throw a bump as the pod player from the- Oh my God, he's zung that thing right there. Twice, he's throwing fucking speedballs at Patras. It's like, throw something friendly, give him some help, but Kyle just fucking sucks.
Critique of Kyle's Game Performance
01:07:11
Speaker
Yep. A couple of times there were knock-ons and shit. He sucks in every facet of the game. He can't tackle, he can't really defend around the fringe, and he can't pass. I probably need to find a skill set for him, just saying. I think he'd probably carry water bottles really well. Let's try that. Betcha we can figure that one out.
01:07:38
Speaker
especially if you get that one out fast. The best is I think it's fun at games now, where it's like, people are like, Hey, Kyle, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then like, after, you know, 20 minutes of me going, there's Kyle sucking, there's Kyle sucking, there's Kyle sucking.
01:07:53
Speaker
They're like, oh, wait. Yeah. Um, cause they don't, there's no, there's no response to it. Like I know that people really want to cheer for him and all that, but it's like, guys give it the fuck up. Yeah. We need to get on it. Like go get on the David Vits bus. I'm I'm all I'm about that. He's a, he's a volleyball player, local guy. Okay. Yep. All about it. But like, there comes a point where it's like,
Player Limits and Team Dynamics
01:08:18
Speaker
Come on, man. You got to accept the fact that people are, that players are who they are. And you know, we, like we accepted the fact that Paredy wasn't very good, no longer quality and also kind of an idiot. So hurting the team. They got rid of them. They got rid of them. The only reason that Kyle's still here is because he's local. If he was from fricking either abroad or a state in another time zone,
01:08:43
Speaker
he wouldn't be here. Right. It's on him back and I'd be like, you can go home. Be right. Be right.
Game Recap and Observations
01:08:53
Speaker
Anyway, uh, quick whip around. Obviously we, we are a game, um, Houston beat Seattle in Seattle. That's a big one. Houston's going to be good. I'm, I'm, I'm scared of that match. They got to play them in a few weeks. That's not gonna be fun. Um, Legion beat DC and I'm not sure Legion's as good as they want to be.
01:09:12
Speaker
And then it was clearly very bad. Miami put 50 on them. So yikes. Um, Jackals are still not very good. They lost to Nola at home. And then, um, Utah might not be very good either. Cause they lost to Los Angeles. And I know that was in Carson, but like still damn, right?
Humorous Logo Critique
01:09:31
Speaker
Damn. Their logo is a literal penis. It is just indeed.
01:09:36
Speaker
Who the fuck approved that? It needs to be asked multiple times. It needs to be asked multiple times each week. Like, who the fuck approved that? Come on. What are we doing over here? What are we doing here, dude? Like, come on. Oh, that's terrible. That's terrifying. All right.
Fantasy Rugby and Listener Engagement
01:09:56
Speaker
Anyway, so Ben and I are going to jump over onto the fancy corner for a little bit here.
01:10:05
Speaker
If you're coming over there, we'll see you there. If not, enjoy the second round of Women's Ex-Nations, next round of Prime and Super, and we'll talk to you all next week. Have a good one, everyone. Later. Cheers.
01:10:28
Speaker
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