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S2 Ep131: Red Sign Soapstone - Pokémon
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Join Dave, Jake, and special guest Jennie as they talk about everyone's second favorite pocket monsters in this week's episode!
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Transcript
Introduction and Humorous Greetings
00:01:05
Speaker
How's it going, everyone? Welcome to another episode of Soapstone. My name is Jake. I'm joined by my co-host, as always, Dave. How's it going tonight, Dave? Man, I do appreciate you asking me this week to week. It shows how conservative a person you are. But maybe you'd be more considerate if you also asked our guests how they were doing. I'll do it for you. How's it going tonight, Jenny?
00:01:28
Speaker
You know, it's going pretty well as a friend of the podcast. It's even better. Yeah, that's true. You were our first recurring guest, I believe, right? I think so. I think that's true. I want to give that a big squint. Ian, definitely. I think he was only here for Subnautica.
00:01:52
Speaker
I don't think that's true, but I'm not going to look it up at this point in time. I'm going to declare it as official. Yes, I'm the first reoccurring guest. And if that's not true, that's too bad. It is now. And you have to comment to dispute if that's the case.
Jenny's Painting Mishaps
00:02:08
Speaker
Right. This is now canon.
00:02:11
Speaker
Yeah, no, I checked out. I didn't want it to hold this position. He should have been here, but he's not freaking called out. Yeah. Yeah. How dare he not show up to the thing we didn't invite him through the sand looks kind of sus. It's called taking initiative. Yeah. I think, uh,
00:02:33
Speaker
I think I can't really deviate from the script as far as the standard opener. So as much as it would be polite, right? To at least acknowledge the presence. It's entirely like you were, you were set up to fail there and I'm just playing off of it. That's fair. That's all.
00:02:50
Speaker
I mean, I'm okay with it. I'm in the other room, so it's okay. What does that mean? Is that like a proper noun location, like the other room? Yeah, it's like there's the good place, the bad place, the other room. It's like an interdimensional pocket that could be literally anywhere. A spare oom.
00:03:11
Speaker
I thought it was the sequel to The Room. Oh, I could see that. So anyways, how's your sex life? Yeah. So do we want to do any of our own introduction stuff? I don't know. I mean, Jay, do you want to? I'm just kind of a person. I mean, the other room, I am surrounded by art supplies. That's basically it.
00:03:39
Speaker
So you do a lot of that, right? Yeah. I say as though I don't literally. I mean, you know this to be true as a member of your household. Yeah, I paint. I accidentally drink paint water, which is very bad for you. I don't recommend it. That does sound bad. That's not like we're kind of painting. That sounds amazing. Do you want to
From Drinking Hot Water to Gaming
00:04:03
Speaker
drink it? Watercolor water is fine, but when you get into acrylics,
00:04:07
Speaker
And especially oil because in oil paint you don't use water you use mineral spirits and that's poison
00:04:17
Speaker
So I'll leave it up to you, Dave. I don't like drinking normal water anyway, so I'm going to give that a hard pass. Thank you, though. Isn't mineral spirits just what you get at a nice restaurant anyway? Is there like a, here's a bottle of nice mineral spirits. We'll set it on the table. We won't tell you about it. And if you touch it, we're going to charge you $20. That sounds about right. Yeah. I think we went to a restaurant once and they're like,
00:04:45
Speaker
Do you want bottled water or normal? And the bottled water was like the fancy fizzy water for 20 bucks. And it's like, you know, there's tap water. That's cool. Yeah. A lot of it tastes the fucking same. If you ask me, it's just whether it's filtered or not or hot or cold. Cold water is the way to do it. Unless you're drinking tea, obviously. Then it's a toss up. I usually drink tea cold. It's nice.
00:05:14
Speaker
Nothing wrong with a cold tea. If you're just having like a hot water standalone, I feel like something's wrong.
00:05:20
Speaker
I thought you're about to defend it. I don't know why. Your tone indicated I'm going to defend hot water. No, no, no. That's it. And I was like, add something to it, make it tea or coffee, but just hot water on its own just seems off. It's a little bit odd. I've only done that in response to like sickness, throat, irritation, something like that. But again, wouldn't you just go to tea? I mean, usually if I, if I could, yeah.
Pokemon Nostalgia
00:05:50
Speaker
So you're saying in like a situation out of Lipton or some other tea brand, you're like, all right, hot water is the best we can do right now. I mean, you can do hot water, honey and lemon. It's like tea without the actual tea. It's everything else. Just sweet, better water. But yeah, I mean, it's still better than just hot water, obviously.
00:06:10
Speaker
This is a weird conversation. Yeah, I feel like we're like straw man. You know, let's just wail on this concept. Hot water though. All right. So Jenny, in addition to your cool art stuff, how about games? Where do you fit in a gamer space? Are you a gamer? Um, we prefer the term gamer girl. Thank you. I,
00:06:32
Speaker
I'll give you this just this once, but I'm going to need you to remember that for next time. Thank you. Also, it's capital G gamer capital G girl. Thank you. Do you have like a detached, unplugged Xbox controller you can hold up at any given time?
00:06:48
Speaker
um usually speaking of like interdimensional pockets it's just every girl has one somewhere where they just always have the controller available like there's we don't have normal pockets but we can pull out a controller just like if you ask if we have one i'll be like yes and it immediately goes to the face and i kiss it
00:07:12
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Oh, classical pose. It's always unplugged and turned off. Yeah. Huh. What kind of games you play? Uh, there's Overwatch. That's fair. I had an episode on that long time ago. I think it made it live. That's exactly what I'm saying. Not this one. Try again. Try again. Let's see. What did I say? Overwatch. Oh, near. I need to finish near.
00:07:41
Speaker
I want to do more of the endings. There's a lot. I'm forgetting what other games I play, so that's fun. Or in the Blind Forest. Is a good one. Do you play any games where you like collect monsters as a child or anything like that? I think there's a lot of monsters. Or play as a monster and collect children. Was it Monster Hunter?
00:08:10
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. I feel like Monster Hunter was kind of the rip off to Pokemon, you know? It just doesn't hold up the same.
00:08:23
Speaker
That's definitely a hot take. It's probably, if it's derivative, it's very derivative from the Pokemon Pokemon. Yeah. I don't really like the direction they took it. Like I know PETA had a thing where they're like, ah, Pokemon is pit fighting. But they kind of like amped that up with Monster Hunter. So I don't really like that sequel. It's the timeline I like to forget about and stick to El Classico Pokemon.
00:08:52
Speaker
Smash Bros also has pit fighting, but he always loses. What a crappy character. So they introduced dark pit also really bad. But yeah, I guess Pokemon is of those things, something we could talk
Twitch Plays Pokemon and Ethics
00:09:07
Speaker
about today. Speaking of the list, they're allowed now looks eight minutes. Okay. It works with the extra dimensional pocket that is the Pokeball.
00:09:18
Speaker
It's a little room. It's a callback. That's good. That your Pokémon sits in. Apparently, it's supposed to be lavish to the Pokémon's liking something along those lines and not like a desolate void. So at what age, because I assume like you grew up watching the show like everybody else. Yeah. And you saw like the Ash put out like the laser on Pikachu and it kind of just disappeared. At what age did you start to question that technology and whether or not it was abused?
00:09:47
Speaker
Never. We see what we want to see, Dave, and I feel like perhaps there's something we need to work through here. But, you know, this is about me today, so I'm not sorry. I'm going to defend Dave on this because I think that logically it makes more sense for it to be
00:10:15
Speaker
of a Wade of some sort or at least like a uniform space, right? It's not like the Pokeballs like, hey, now that I've caught a Pikachu, we're going to like throw in a bunch of like Pikachu hookers or whatever. And he's always pretty chipper. Yeah. I can't remember what animation that was from. I think it was a Game Grumps animation or one of them. That was the case. But anyways,
00:10:43
Speaker
Pokemon has a lot of ethical concerns, I feel like. It kind of is like pit fighting, but we're just gonna bank on childhood nostalgia to move past that and everything's okay again. But that never bothered you as a kid. As a kid, you were all in. Oh, absolutely. I was like, I'm gonna freaking collect them all. I have the time, but not the batteries for it. That's fair.
00:11:10
Speaker
because this was back in the good old days where everything was battery powered and if I ran out I had to go to the dollar store after bothering my parents for at least five dollars to buy a bunch of bad cheap batteries
00:11:25
Speaker
But then you carry around in your pocket and you're like, this one? No. This one? And you have a pocket of good batteries and a pocket of I tried these and they failed batteries. Yeah. I think, uh, yeah, there's probably not much worse than having a mix of bad and good batteries in a common pool to draw from. Yeah. That's what it eventually turned into because, uh,
00:11:55
Speaker
You eventually just started switching batteries out from the remote controls. And you didn't want your parents to know that you just did that. So you took one battery, put it in, you just switched it with a good battery. So it was kind of half and half so that the batteries in the remote didn't die immediately. And your parents would
00:12:22
Speaker
find out that you just switched the batteries out for the third time that week. You leave one Pokemon card. This is a good calling card. It's usually an energy card. Oh, water energy was here. Yeah. I feel like that was the old school version of take a penny, leave a penny. It's just steel batteries. Yeah.
00:12:44
Speaker
So did you grow up on Game Boy Pokemon, Jenny? And if so, were you doing Game Boy Color or like the fat brick Game Boy?
00:12:53
Speaker
I didn't have the thick boy. I just had the game boy color. Yeah. Yeah. I never heard of it as the thick boy, but that's very appropriate. I feel like thick wasn't a term until like five years ago. Yeah. Now it's being retroactively put on like the original Pikachu card because damn. I have that. It's an absolute unit.
00:13:17
Speaker
I kind of imagine like the dictionary and it's just like the definition for thick with like CK and then, you know, for full definition, then at the bottom, it's like C also T H I C C. All right. Yeah. Additional reference. Some of those Pokemon were pretty derpy. Which ones are we talking like original set,
Favorite Pokemon and Collecting Experiences
00:13:40
Speaker
original 151?
00:13:43
Speaker
Uh, I think one 51, if you count you, which I think they do. Hmm. Yeah. I would have to like go look up a list online. Uh, honestly be between the only one I could think of off the top of my head was Pikachu. But I assume that there's other ones there. I'm going to read. I'm going to reflect this question reference blade mail from a previous episode and ask if you guys have any that you also thought were pretty derpy from the OG set.
00:14:15
Speaker
I feel like a lot of them from what I recall were mostly animals. Jinx, I was very disturbed by. That one has some controversy. Yeah. There's a controversy around Jinx. I mean the black face and the tits. Yeah, a little bit. Okay. I actually am not familiar with this then. Yeah, no, there's a whole,
00:14:40
Speaker
Okay, nevermind. Like, this is how it's a video. Google's black face and tits. Research didn't have research. Did they get mad because she had some wisms? Because they apparently kind of threw that under the bus. If you look at more recent designs, it's like that lady and she's top heavy. Right. Well, I mean, these are all animals. None of these are people, obviously. That would be freaking weird.
00:15:11
Speaker
But some Pokemon are very people like. Yeah. Yeah. The Machop series. Um, Abra, Abra, Gadabra, Alex. I don't know. I just felt like.
00:15:25
Speaker
I really enjoyed their design. Granted, as a kid, I didn't have a whole wealth of knowledge for what things could be in the imagination space or high fantasy. But I just remember thinking like certain ones were just like badass before I knew what that term really meant. It just meant like Gyarados. That was a cool Pokemon or Scyther. Like those were the cards you trade for, like try and trade people in games.
00:15:54
Speaker
So like I'll be honest, I'm kind of like on the coattails of this conversation because I don't know a whole lot about Pokemon. I've never played them a lot. The most I ever put into game was like Pokemon Go. And I wasn't obsessed with that either. I just played it more than anything else because my parents just didn't let me play it. And they burned the Pokemon cards with hairspray. So did they burn them in the cool way?
00:16:22
Speaker
where they sprayed the hairspray and then had the lighter directly underneath the stream to make it like, or is that? Oh no, they didn't like hold the lighter underneath the spray bottle. They sprayed them all down and then lit them on fire. In a book burning kind of way. It kind of was, yeah. But they thought they were evil, so I mean understandable.
00:16:45
Speaker
So I guess both of you have had significantly more exposure to some of those early years of Pokemon, I think, than I have. Yeah, I forget. I know I started my very baby's first Pokemon game was Pokemon Red. Hell yeah.
00:17:04
Speaker
Yeah, it's so good. And then because I have at the time, I think I only had three other siblings. I don't know. I don't know how to do math. But we each had one version of each Pokemon game, like of each generation that came out. So I could play through everything and we could trade. And that was like the only time in my life that I could ever complete a full set.
00:17:34
Speaker
Did you get the, uh, the, did you catch them all, all of the originals? No, no, because along with having siblings comes resetting your game file. Cause they wanted to play it and you cannot have more than one. Yeah. Memory cards were very, uh, a one bucket. Was that back when they had like built-in batteries in them too? Yeah. Each cartridge has an eternal battery.
00:18:00
Speaker
internal battery uh they last for a really long time but when they die your everything's gone so you can get like 300 to 500 hours of gameplay but after that it's gone i don't know a modest 300 hours of gameplay
Cultural Impact of Pokemon
00:18:25
Speaker
Just beat the Witcher three times back to back. It's fine. It's not enough. So to speak to the Battery's credit, I grew up playing Pokemon Red, but I didn't have a lot of games as a kid. So most of my gaming experiences was when I would go to my cousins over the summer for like a week, I'd be like, what can we play?
00:18:47
Speaker
So if he was playing something single player on console, I might borrow a Game Boy and use his Pokemon Red, which at some rate, I think he gave to me and then I got another one down the line. But I kept that cartridge for a while that he gave me. And like five years later in college, I'm like, oh, there's a small game shop in town. Let me get a Game Boy Color for like 60 bucks, which is a lot of money when you're in college. And I'm like, it's gonna be cool.
00:19:14
Speaker
And I can still load up my old file and like, my Pokemon are still there with the same names. I didn't put up the data and it still doesn't fucking break. This is a good nostalgia trip for me.
00:19:26
Speaker
They really have had some really interesting novel ways to transfer your Pokemon across the series. I remember for the N64, they had Pokemon Coliseum, and there was a little back of the controller plug-in where you put the Rumble Pack or memory card, and you could hook up your Pokemon game and import them into this 3D space where they're literally fighting other Pokemon, which was freaking cool.
00:19:56
Speaker
from a collection standpoint. And also just like, I guess something Pokemon's done is you could have old versions of your Pokemon where they were like 2D and really basic and like didn't have a lot of animations. And now it's like, this is the Pokemon of the future. And it's the same guy. It's insane to see that all come out.
00:20:18
Speaker
Because you need so many additional things off of Game Boy. Like, oh, did you want to trade with somebody? You need a link cable. Who has a link cable? That one person in the bus on the 17th row. We have 15 minutes before we get to school. Meet up with them. Or in Pokémon Stadium, you need that additional cartridge to hook up your Game Boy. But then to see your full squad that beat the Elite Four come to life, and you're like, no, I'll fight you, friend, in real 3D animation. It was insane.
00:20:46
Speaker
I think it was called a transfer pack. I think I remember. Yeah, it was. Did you guys get to experience any of the Pokemon Stadium era? That was my childhood with Nintendo 64 because we would just, I don't remember if you could hook up two transfer packs or not. I think if you had multiple controllers with transfer packs. Okay. I couldn't remember if it supported more than one because I know that
00:21:15
Speaker
I would take my Pokemon and fight my siblings with it. And if we did that, we must have had two transfer packs because otherwise someone would get grounded because you kept beating me in Pokemon. You got to use your Pokemon. I want to use my Pokemon.
00:21:34
Speaker
the stock level 45 Slowbro from shop. Freaking casual. Yeah. What else was nice on there was you could play your game on your TV that way with the transfer pack. And that was how I started to get around running out of batteries. Because you could just hook it up to the Nintendo and just play there.
00:22:05
Speaker
It just, like, upscaled the graphics. It just blew everything up. But it was like it was playing on Game Boy, right? Yeah. And to be fair, the TV that I played this on was small and boxy. It was literally your old school... What are they called? CRT? Yeah, one of those. So it's like... The one to throw your back out. Yeah. It's not like the graphics were too messed up because it's not that much bigger of a screen.
00:22:31
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah, it's a big difference between that and like 1080p or 4k or whatever. It's a long ways off. And I think it had a border around it, but it was nice.
Pokemon TV Series and Character Dynamics
00:22:41
Speaker
So at the 21 minute mark in the recording, what is Pokemon? How would you describe Pokemon to somebody who is birthed from a large dragon egg as of five minutes ago and want to play some sort of game? How would you describe the essence of Pokemon? The essence of? It's like, I don't know how words work.
00:23:12
Speaker
Is it just too ingrained? Like, it's just... Yeah, it's like, I know what it is, but my brain's like, I don't know, to call it. You catch them all. You explore. You build a team of Pokemon. There's literally thousands of them now, I think. There's a lot. You get to build your team and you can... I learned that you can be strategic about it. But I picked whatever Pokemon I thought was cutest and used it.
00:23:41
Speaker
Yeah. Who's your cutest? Mudkip and Umbreon. Those are pretty cute Pokemon. Mudkip's a classic. Best starter. I mean, sure. If you're talking Neo series, all right. That's fair. Who's your cutest Pokemon, dude?
00:24:01
Speaker
I'm trying to think from my original roster. I feel like I did have a Clefairy at some point because Clefairy was, I feel like generic enough to be able to learn a lot of different abilities.
00:24:16
Speaker
And Zapdos was in my party. Definitely wasn't cute. It is. That's just a flex. It's just a spike here. Well, you can get one per save. Everyone knows that. Yeah, definitely. But only one master ball, definitely. Omenite is fucking adorable. Real talk. All right. Hard tangent. Do you guys remember Twitch plays Pokemon?
00:24:41
Speaker
Yes. Did that blow your fucking mind? Like how a whole community came together and like achieved something and it has a fucking lore behind it. And there was a religion of Lord Omenite. Sorry, Lord Helix. I love this.
00:24:59
Speaker
No, it's an interesting, uh, and I'm sure there had been studies just done based off of it. Um, trying to like wrangle the mass, the masses of people who are all trying to interact with this, um, into some sort of cohesion is pretty crazy. I want to see like data on different waves of coordination. Like in the beginning, how did everyone coordinate in the middle?
00:25:28
Speaker
I think they didn't. Yeah. Like I feel like it gradually went from people messing with it to just cause as much chaos as possible. And then towards the end, I would assume they're like, wait, hold up. This game's almost over. Let's do this.
00:25:47
Speaker
I think they had like, they had chaos mode. And then they had like a democracy mode where people could vote on what the next action would be. Yeah. So when I queue up every single thing somebody input, it was what was majority in this block of time.
00:25:59
Speaker
Yeah, which is just like then it broke out into factions of people trying to accomplish certain tasks. Like free all of the Pokemon or I think some people wanted to actually like soft lock the game. Like releasing all the Pokemon or something. I can't say I hate that people like that exist because I feel like you do need like an agent of chaos to kind of balance out the good. Got to spice it up. It's like what I rather watch.
00:26:27
Speaker
straightforward twitch plays pokemon where it all goes according to plan or would i rather watch just a group of people try to wreak havoc and be like hey we just caught that legendary pokemon what if we got rid of it and wasted our master ball
00:26:45
Speaker
I guess for the uninitiated, the really short description of Twitch Plays Pokemon is people can send inputs, like the chat can send inputs for what would happen in the game. And there was a lot of people. I would say that if this did was just a clean playthrough, they would have a lot less content than the months and months of content that it took them to actually clear anything in this chaos. Fish recently did a clear of Pokemon, just like a group of fish.
00:27:14
Speaker
Yeah. That was great. I recently learned about that one. That makes me happy.
00:27:18
Speaker
I saw a fish one where it was like goldfish plays pokemon where like the inputs were kind of like mapped to a cam shot of like the fishbowl where like different sectors were mapped to different inputs but at some point the character was just walking up into a wall because the fish died and was floating at the top of the bowl and that thought was always comedic to me um
00:27:46
Speaker
Oh no. So question. What actually came first? Was it the Game Boy games? Was it the show or was it the Pokemon cards? The card game. Trading card game. I feel like it's usually the trading card game, right? That was going to be my guess. I was going to guess trading card game, video game show. What do you think, Dave?
00:28:16
Speaker
Oh, where are we putting them in order? Yeah, I'm going to try to put them in order. Oh, okay. Let me think.
00:28:23
Speaker
I feel like in general, for anime, shows are always done to market something.
Humor and Growth in Pokemon Franchise
00:28:29
Speaker
So what are they marketing? So I'm going to go with Jake, but I do think the cards are first and the show probably thereafter and then the game. So I'm going to copy Jake's answer. Well, I had the show last, so that's the only difference. Oh, then you're wrong. I was going to say. Card show game for me. Cards game show.
00:28:53
Speaker
Okay, so you're going with me then. Oh, is that what you said too? Yeah, yeah. I feel like that makes sense. I definitely think the cards are first. I'm going to look this up in the meantime. Yeah, I'll look this up after I conveniently set us off on another question. I think we had a pretty good coverage of what the game is, but it's also like the simulations battle game. I know Pokemon have a lot of strengths and weaknesses, which
00:29:20
Speaker
I didn't use at all in the time that I played the game. I'm going to find the coolest looking thing that looks the edgiest and just send it forth. I briefly considered Pokemon types. But then I was like, within that type, who's the cutest? Because there's it's a lot more complicated now, but now they have there's like attack, defense, speed, special attack, special defense. And it's all broken down, which is important because you can have glass cannons like
00:29:49
Speaker
Abracadabra, Alakazam, who are supposed to be glass cannons and they eventually fix that. And then you have like tankier Pokemon. I think Umbreon was supposed to be a little tankier, which is why I like them because they were harder to knock down. And I always took the water starters because they're the best ones and everything else cannot compare to the beauty of them. I also read the water starter on Pokemon Red.
00:30:18
Speaker
Weren't the water, they were like slower to learn or something, but then they had like really good end game. Yeah, they were like the, they had like a better defense. I think they were supposed to. I like how I can talk about video games that I played when I was a kid and I'll learn things about them now. Like I didn't know about Mario Kart drifting until like college. I'm like, what? Yeah, that's pretty essential. No fucking clue.
00:30:46
Speaker
I'm going to, I'm going to interject with the answer to the previous question. Apparently the game was released first. It was the very first thing. Um, and then the answer kind of splits depending on interpretation. Um, but the trading cards came out next in Japan and then the cartoon, but in the U S the cards and the cartoon came out at the same time. Um, so I think we were all wrong. I was trying to remember cause on the bottom of like when you load the game,
00:31:16
Speaker
it'll tell you like a copyright date or whatever. And then on the Pokemon cards it does so that I'm like, what do they say? I could go look at my Pokemon cards now. Red and green were the first versions.
00:31:32
Speaker
Oh yeah, Japanese, red and green. And then the U.S. got red and blue and then yellow, I think, followed afterwards, but not too far after. Yeah, yellow is cool. Because you get a Pikachu follow behind you. And I was like, that's cute as heck. Yeah, Pikachu is the the iconic Pokemon, right? Yeah. From the outside of perspective, even I know that. Everything is Pikachu and Pikachu is everything.
00:32:02
Speaker
Detective Pikachu. Pikachu constantly shocked Ash in the show until they developed a friendship. Grant, that was two episodes there, but. There was the yellow Pikachu edition for like Hey You Pikachu. Brain 64. That game was busted as heck. Well, they were like, we'll throw a mic on this and you talked to the Pikachu. It was not, the technology was not ready. It was like 50-50, whether it worked or not, but.
00:32:31
Speaker
Yeah, I kept renting it from Blockbuster. Parents are like, what game do you want to rent? I'm like, I want to try Hey You, Pikachu. And then it would just be us screaming into a microphone trying to make it work. And I think they stopped after that.
00:32:44
Speaker
You're just like Pikachu run over there and Pika is like, Pika, she's like Pika Pika and runs over and Pikachu run back and then Pika turns, Pikachu turns to you and it's just like, I'm sorry, my responses are limited. You must ask the right questions. I can't do that. Pika Pika. Man, I remember a fucking Pokemon Snap for the 64. I think that was the big one that everyone was hyped about outside of the stadium.
00:33:11
Speaker
Isn't, aren't they doing like a remake? Yeah, I think it's Pokemon Snap 2. Yeah, I think for the Switch. I didn't know about that. I'm not gonna get it. It was, I just like the idea of it. I just remember having fond memories about it. Pokemon Snap was so good. It was like a fucking rail shooter. He took pictures of Pokemon. I don't get why it was so fun at the time. I think it's because it turned them, it made them 3D, which they weren't at the time. They were like,
00:33:42
Speaker
Especially in Pokemon red, blue, looking at the Pokemon, it's like, I don't know what that's supposed to be. Cause it's kind of, it's kind of a mess. It was kind of a mess. And if you didn't have like a frame of reference, like the Pokemon cards, you're like, I don't know what that's supposed to be. What does the name say? Oh, my chop. Do I have internet? I don't know. Can I look this up?
00:34:09
Speaker
Yeah, I forgot because in the game version, I'm just like when you're battling them, you see like the back of whatever Pokemon's head and you kind of had to make a guess. Oh, yeah. There's the Pokemon across. You could kind of see the actual shape of and then in your Pokedex for like your hey, here's my squad. They're like little chibi pixels. You're like, I think this is that they kind of like class them into types like, oh, this is some fucking bird.
00:34:34
Speaker
Yeah, they did. They have different silhouettes depending on if it's like bipedal bird, etc, etc. And depending on it would depend on what little spirit you got. But God thinking about like the back of the Pokemon during fights and I'm like, Oh, that was ugly. That's not good.
00:34:55
Speaker
They probably were like where some of the most detail was put in though, just because. How do you distinguish the back? Like the back was actually more of the screen, right? With how it was angled. So they would have had to actually have a slightly higher resolution for that. It's new, new Pokemon snap. No release date determined yet, but that's the one that's going to come out for switch. Hmm.
00:35:17
Speaker
Cause they don't like using two, I guess, but Nintendo likes to put new in front of their thing. I don't, I don't know. Who knows? I never really questioned Nintendo's business decisions. It's so easy. You do that once and you're on a list and they know where to find you.
00:35:38
Speaker
Your internet connectivity options are bad, Nintendo, I said it. So which series is the best or resonates the most with you guys? I'd have to say the first series for me, because after that I stopped paying attention. I think I caught a little bit of Neo, which was season two or series two. My immediate favorite is Pokemon Silver.
00:36:02
Speaker
And then I think that's the second generation. I think second and third are my favorite in terms of handheld console games. I never did Detective Pikachu. I think that was a thing. They had little spin-offs that I never played because I was like, nope, I don't want to do puzzle games. I'll catch Pokemon.
00:36:31
Speaker
That's kind of funny in a way, because we haven't really talked too much about gameplay. But I would say that Pokemon may have, hot take, Pokemon may have the most derivative gameplay short of sports games. It's the same game every time. Whoa. Listen, I don't know about you. But yeah, it's kind of the same thing. But they have Dynamax now.
00:37:00
Speaker
I could, I could leave my Pokemon at daycare now and make them have babies. This is really awkward. I was going to, not that, but I was going to look up the Pokemon generations to see how many there actually were. But then Pokemon had a mini series called Generations, which is just there to screw up my search. There's been eight, apparently, Pokemon generations. Yeah. I think they add like
00:37:26
Speaker
How many do they add each generation? So the last one, at least around one hundred, right? Yeah. Eighty nine. And the last one, there's like one hundred and ninety eight Pokémon total right now. No, they're not all very cute. I'm not going to lie.
00:37:41
Speaker
If they add them into the Pokémon rap, I will learn their names. Otherwise, do not talk to me. Have they done an updated Pokémon rap? There's no way. Come at me. I still somewhere I had the CD for To Be a Master, which I think was the here's a Pokémon soundtrack where it had some things like Viridian City, To Be a Master, the titular track, the Pokémon rap and some other things which were cringy.
00:38:13
Speaker
just got flashbacks to the ending episode, like the end of the episode where they would play those things. Like the, we're on the route to Viridian City or whatever. And I'm just like, Oh my God. You should go back
Video Game Mechanics and Features
00:38:27
Speaker
and have a listen. It's a fucking trip. I bet it is.
00:38:32
Speaker
It's got to be kind of nice to have something that's so culturally grounded, like as Pokemon is. Like I haven't really played a game. Like it was a societal touchstone in like the 90s, early 2000s kids. Oh my God.
00:38:54
Speaker
It flooded literally everything in like middle school, high school. It's where all parents were like, you playing Pokemon or something? Yeah. Yes. Everything's Pokemon. Thank you. Is that Pikachu? It's Pikachu.
00:39:10
Speaker
Oh my god. Pokemon's on a drug, right? Okay, cool. Anyway. Technically, it hasn't been recognized by the FDA. Depending on how into the Pokemon cards you are, it could be a potential gambling addiction.
00:39:28
Speaker
from what I've watched on YouTube over the past month or so. Yeah, it can be. Yeah, I was going to say freaking voice critical. All of it is unboxing videos. I feel like Pokemon goes in waves of super popular. And then there was like a period in high school, early college, where it was like,
00:39:49
Speaker
Ooh, you like Pokemon? Oh, weird. And then it just blew up again. And everyone's like, of course I love Pokemon. And it's like, Susan, you just made fun of someone last week about this. What are you doing?
00:40:03
Speaker
In general, if someone is criticizing what you do in the voice of, oh, you like this, then you should disregard their opinion. That's just life advice. We're putting it in like the middle of the episode now instead of the end. Well, that clearly has no judgmental gay friends. I don't think we have any friends named Susan, which also helps. So don't have to worry about that one.
00:40:29
Speaker
Yeah, I'm glad that ended on Vogue. Yeah, I feel like it's kind of like Nickelodeon in a way, or certain versions of like Cartoon Network, like Boomerang, where it will fall out and people will be like, come on, that's some baby shit. And then later it'll be like SpongeBob though. But I feel like SpongeBob has always stayed in the limelight where people are like, I have fond memories of this and we'll still reference it and it's good for memes, you know? Exactly.
00:40:59
Speaker
I mean, part of that is in SpongeBob's case, because it's just they didn't 100% market it to kids. Like it was perfectly acceptable for kids, but they had plenty of entertaining moments that would just be entertaining regardless. And those shows tend to stick around. And it was another one of those shows, like many from the
00:41:22
Speaker
Yeah, this was late 90s. It came out in 1999. I counted down the days before the first episode aired, but it's one of those like 90s shows, early 2000s shows where it's like, ah, that's adult humor. Very much adult humor that when you're a kid, you don't see it, but rewatching it's like,
00:41:44
Speaker
Oh, they said the word panty raid. Okay. That's not, that's not for kids, but kids don't know what that means. They're just like, they're just like, that's underwear. That's funny. Yeah. And it is, it is funny. Yeah. So did you, were you talking about shows a little bit? We haven't really talked about the Pokemon show at all. Um,
00:42:11
Speaker
Did you guys stay up on it? I didn't have cables. The takeaway from this is I ended up deprived childhood. But did you guys watch it a lot? The only thing I remember was a Metapod episode. I saw it in my grandmas, I think, where it's just like patience or something. It kept getting hard until they eventually evolve. Oh, yeah. And then I remember being like, that's not how that works, but like, whatever.
00:42:39
Speaker
It was like a butterfree. I was just like, man, I want a butterfree that my parents are like those demons. Did you guys watch this show? I did. It was usually on as soon as I got home from school. I think it was like, or maybe it was a little after. I had time for homework. It was like 3, 3, 3.30. We just make things up here. It doesn't have to be. When did school end? I don't remember.
00:43:09
Speaker
It was close enough. Which means we got up to like fucking six. Who made these schedules? Yeah. But I would watch it like right after school, do my homework, and then I don't remember where I fell off. It was honestly probably
00:43:32
Speaker
after like they introduce like maybe the second or third generation but i also might have been going to college at the time right like that and ash was definitely not nope ash is you know he's got a pituitary problem okay he's stuck
00:43:52
Speaker
He's the Peter Pan pituitary Pokemon trainer from Pewter City. Just kidding. That's Brock quiz me. I think I remember I watched the first series or two. Then as Ash got on to like different travels, I just didn't really keep up with it too much. There's probably other things are coming out. You didn't fall for their boy.
00:44:17
Speaker
of Pokemon would switch out the main female characters like Misty. She eventually had to go as they introduced a newer younger audience and they wanted to retain the older audience.
00:44:31
Speaker
So they would introduce new like women for the younger kids. Yeah. They're like, you know, Misty, you're great, but you're old now. Like you've, we need May and they just keep switching out. So like in the universe, did the female leads age, but like Ash didn't? No, not an age. Did they just get like sent off to a farm upstate?
00:45:00
Speaker
They were just like, well, I'm going to leave now. And then conveniently next episode, it's like, I'm a lady. What an intro. Well, I think they were kind of just there for them.
00:45:16
Speaker
They were supporting cast. Yeah. Like in the case of Misty, her thing was she wanted her bike back from Ash. That was the initial draw. But then they became friends and she had like a crush on them. And that's like a whole fucking thing. But because it's anime, she can never really reveal her true feelings. Right. Also, it's Pokemon. This isn't even an adult swim, anything, right? The only reason I know that is because on the
00:45:40
Speaker
I'm now angrily pointing at the camera on to be a master the album. There is a song called myth the song where she is like singing a I love you type of lullaby to him after he fucking falls asleep. Wild shit. Yeah, it was a different time. So we're talking about how like this is an adult swim. But there was that episode that I don't think they showed outside of Japan, where it was Jesse and James in a bikini contest with
00:46:09
Speaker
the child Misty, actual child, 12 year old, in a bikini contest. And it was great because they gave James just some big old bosoms. And I'm like, just, just slap them on. I'm like, this is amazing. I can see maybe why they're like in the 90s, early 2000s, maybe not, but I'm like, that part's great, but maybe don't put children in bikini contests.
00:46:38
Speaker
I'm glad that we've moved like so far past that. Like there's nothing like QT on Netflix or anything else like that. Thank goodness that never happened. Equally terrible or way worse to be honest. Yeah. It's a good thing we have evolved as a society to maybe read the room.
00:46:59
Speaker
That's a great evolution. This is one of the reasons my parents disliked it, I think, is because they heard that Pokemon could evolve. And that was part of the Christian aggressive message against it. It's like they're teaching evolution to kids. It had nothing to do with that. It was like, oh, I just fed it a rock and now it's turning into something else. It's like in Pokemon, you feed your Pokemon candy and it gets stronger.
00:47:29
Speaker
Or if you keep feeding your children candy. You turn into me. Jake is very excitable at times, but then sometimes needs angry naps. That's true, actually. He just has a fits of sugar rage.
00:47:48
Speaker
The evolutions are a cool part of it, though. Like, not only were they there in the show, there was the whole character arc of like Pikachu never being able to evolve. Well, he didn't want to. Because I feel like every single Pokemon that evolved, their personality changed. Fucking Charmander was so cute and adorable. And as soon as his Charmeleon is like, yo, fuck you, Ash. And his Charizard, it was super fuck you. He like started a hip hop band and was
00:48:16
Speaker
It's thrown out explicit lyrics and stuff. He had a redemption arc though, but I think that was only after like he almost died. It was a student air redemption arc and it might have been in the movie. I don't remember. I think it was the movie. There was like a big Pokémon movie. Because that wasn't the first one I think was called, right? You remember when you first discovered Emotion? The Pokémon movie.
00:48:39
Speaker
do you guys have any memories with that i assume everybody watched it yeah i feel like i was a part of everybody's childhood you haven't seen the whole thing no don't go back and watch it it's it's probably holding shit but it's one of those movies where you leave it to nostalgia and you just let it sit and you don't open that box again it's like that's a good memory and i'm gonna keep it that way
00:49:02
Speaker
But yeah, they, they, for the Pokemon movie, that was where they would like to like introduce legendaries, right? They're like, Hey, we're going to put legendaries in the movie and then introduce them at the games or around the same time or whatever. Like it seemed like a marketing device. I never really watched them, but I remember the movies kind of being showcases for a lot of these legendary Pokemon. That is true. Cause I think the one after the first
00:49:30
Speaker
I mean, obviously the first one was about Mewtwo and Mew. I think the one after that is probably like Lugia and Hello. And then there's probably like the legendary dogs. There's like a wish one, right? It's like Jay something. Big shrug. I know what Jay one you're talking about, but I don't know the name. Some of the legendaries have names that I still can't pronounce, so I don't try.
00:49:56
Speaker
Like, sweet-spoon was one, I think. Sweet-coon. I've always said it as a hopeful guess. I don't know. I don't know how to say it, but I like that one. Oh, Jirachi, is that it? That's the wish-granting Pokémon. I had to look it up. I thought Jirachi was that thing from TF2. Yeah. It's also a form of hot sauce.
00:50:22
Speaker
Pokemon's had some issues with some of their legendaries, like the Celebi thing, where it was an event Pokemon. And you needed a phone to get it. And you also needed to be in Japan. If you were not in Japan, you could not get it. And cartridges at the time were region locked. So like a North American cartridge couldn't communicate
00:50:50
Speaker
with one from Japan. Gotcha. You could even transfer it. Nope. You had to game shark it. Yeah. That's probably the easiest way to catch them all. I think you could argue. I never had a game shark, so I don't know how it works. I never looked into it. So people are like, yeah, I got the spooky mom with game shark. And I'm like, how do you do that? What is game shark? Is it illegal?
00:51:21
Speaker
I'm 10 and I don't want to get in trouble by the law. Detective Pikachu will chase you down if you use a game shark. Found dead in an alleyway. Lightning bullets covering the body. They check the download from the, I don't know if this is how it works. They check your game shark download. They were downloading a Pokemon and that turns into a commercial. They look at the camera like you wouldn't download a Pokemon, would you?
00:51:47
Speaker
Oh, hands down. Everybody will download Pokemon and cars. Yeah. And pirate at least a couple of movies. There's probably a lot at this point. I haven't kept up with movies. That's probably best for the best. I feel like certain things, it's like just for the marketing of that age group. Yeah. So like, unless you're a diehard fan, it's hard to keep up with a lot of it.
00:52:15
Speaker
Speaking of, uh, have you kept up with like the latest Pokemon games at least? I haven't played them because they're very time consuming and it's like, do I dump 10 hours into this Pokemon game, which I can do and have done many times or perhaps maybe do I work on some art?
00:52:45
Speaker
Right. Pokemon. Yeah. Right. Pokemon art. Yeah. We've all been there. I've got a, there's a market for everything. And I'm like, I should probably, I would rather do art. But some of the new ones are cool. What was the last one you really played? I think it was Let's Go Eevee.
00:53:09
Speaker
Let's go Eevee. Yeah. Was that a switch? Pokemon game? As in like the standard Pokemon format or was it more of a spin-off? I, God, what was it? I think it's playing through like the first gen again. Hmm. I remember.
Future of Pokemon and Nostalgia
00:53:29
Speaker
It's more derivative than usual. It's very different. Um, I'm trying to remember. Hold on.
00:53:39
Speaker
Just calling it now. Next Pokemon board meeting. All right, guys, we need a new season. One guy's like, hear me out. All Pikachu. Yeah, I mean, I feel like past the point, it has to blend together because it's freaking Pokemon. Yeah, there's never like massive differences. I know that they make some improvements.
00:54:04
Speaker
And correct me if I'm wrong here, because I haven't really played the games a lot, but from what I've seen, they add things to the side. Like here's a new sort of feature or Safari or something. But at the core, it's always like, oh, you're in the Kanto region. You're going to do Kanto region. I think the gameplay loop has changed, but they've definitely added some nice to have features for fans.
00:54:26
Speaker
Yeah, like with, I think it was in Let's Go Eevee, because that one, they've moved from like 2D to 3D, which is super nice. And you can like dress up your Eevee, you can pet them, you can feed them. They like, if you're gonna throw them out into battle, they're on your arm, you just freaking slingshot them in there. And it's great. It's like, yeah. Go fight.
00:54:53
Speaker
And I think they did something with like, was it HMs?
00:54:59
Speaker
the one where you needed like your HM monkeys to do cut, strength, flash, serve. Yeah, HMs were like the utility powers. Yeah. Human monsters, I think is what it stood for. I think they changed it. I forget how they changed it, but you no longer need that one like dump Pokemon where you find the most optimal like HM monkey to house all of them. You can just fly without your Pokemon fly.
00:55:28
Speaker
They just gave the human the ability to fly. You're now actually a bird. That's funny. But they changed it in a way. I forget how I'd have to look at it again, but I was like, wow, this is nice. I don't have to keep this dumb Pokémon around that I don't think is cute in my party because it has strength. Right. Yeah. Kill the Ugly. That's the takeaway from Ugly Ugly. Passion's the uncle.
00:55:58
Speaker
fashion this game, any game. It really is because I feel like my investment, for example, talking back by Monster Hunter, it's part of it is like playing with friends. Part of it is like getting the cool armor sets and getting cool armor sets for my cute cat or cute armor sets for my cat. In the same way, if I'm having like a Pokemon party, I don't want things to be like,
00:56:20
Speaker
Well, technically, Cloister has the best defense stat. I don't want to be that person. I want to be like, this is my cool team, and I like them because they're cool Pokemon. I think they're cute because I feel they're my fucking squad. Yeah.
00:56:35
Speaker
I don't know how effective it is. I have a Haunter card in my wallet. Yeah, I think Haunter's great. I think Haunter's actually supposed to be really good. I have a level... I don't mind the argument a little bit, but... I think I have a level 100 Haunter in either Let's Go Eevee or Pokemon Black, but I don't have anyone to trade it with, so I can't get Gangard.
00:57:01
Speaker
So like, and that, that's something they've done before. Like a wonder trade was introduced at one point, right? Or it's just trade a random thing for a random thing. You send out a Pokemon, you get a Pokemon. And what a lot of people do is they just send out like... Rhett has. Yeah, like Rhettatat, Pidgey, Zubat. Fuck Zubat. I found this in a cave. She can have it.
00:57:29
Speaker
Sometimes you get something really cool. And sometimes you get garbage. I sent out a ton of dittos because they were really hard to find. And I was like, I have all day to do nothing. And I think the island that ditto was on was available that day. So I just hung out there for like five hours and then I sent them off into Wonder Trade.
00:57:56
Speaker
Nice. Because they're really good for breeding, because people are like super hyped about like the IVs, the stats. And I think you use Ditto's to make that easier or something. I'm not up on Pokemon breeding, I'll be honest. You take one color of Tilly Putty in one hand, another color of Tilly Putty in another hand, and you push your hands together. Pokemon breeding, got it. For Ditto specifically. Gotcha, okay.
00:58:25
Speaker
Cause then I guess, I don't know, I never got into it cause it's a whole thing and you, it's so much effort and time and research and I can't do it. I'm like, no, no, no.
00:58:40
Speaker
That's fair. There is there is a kind of extreme high end for Pokemon, which surprises me a little bit. I think that like probably 90 percent of the player base, these are made up numbers as they all are. But like 90 percent of the player base probably just plays Pokemon casually getting through the story, you know? Yeah. And then there's like 10 percent. They're like, all right, I'm going tournament. Let's make sure all the shiny whatever you get.
00:59:06
Speaker
Yeah, good. I feel like very few people have combos. It's more. I have a team. I want to play the game. I know that water is good against fire. And that's it. Like, yeah, it's like I'll pick the cutest water type. Mudkip. And I'm gonna go for it. It's like there was the centric that evolved into fur it, which surprise looks like a fur it.
00:59:34
Speaker
and absolutely garbage, terrible Pokemon, just like compared to other ones, like really hard to keep up, but I had it on my team the whole time because I was like, that's cute and I like it. I mean, if it works, I used to say it's wrong. Yeah, just have potions and you're fine.
00:59:58
Speaker
Just feed them drugs, candy. Be your Pokémon pharmacy. Be a pharmacy for your Pokémon, and that's really all they need. Not to circle back to the ethical concerns, but injections, pills, anything you need. Be the nurse joy in their life. So what would it take for you guys to get back into Pokémon? Like if they had a new Pokémon game coming out for
01:00:27
Speaker
this generation of console, more PC, what beer? Oh shit. I'm actually going to pick that up and check that out. If I had time. Right. Just the availability. They don't even have to change anything for you. It's just, if I was like, okay, I've caught up on whatever I needed to get done. And now I have time. It's like, okay, I'm still gonna play Pokemon. Bye.
01:00:52
Speaker
Right. You're just looking for an excuse to go back and play it. So I think for me, since I haven't like done it at all, I haven't really played Pokemon, I would want like some sort of unified online Pokedex thing where you can just actually collect them and then actually store them and not have to deal because this is something that's bothered me a little bit is like,
01:01:14
Speaker
There's very specific ways you can trade Pokémon between games. If you have some old games and then some new games, if you don't have everything in between, you might not even be able to make the swaps.
01:01:26
Speaker
Um, so really, I would just love to have a unified system for that where you could actually collect them instead of just, didn't they have a database? You paid like five bucks or something, maybe a year. And there was a Pokemon database that had all of your Pokemon on it for the later ones. Am I making that up? I find it not played past red. So I don't know. I'm pretty sure that was a thing. And people maybe got upset because they wanted to
01:01:54
Speaker
either change it or get rid of it but it made moving something made moving pokemon between generations easier because in the past
01:02:09
Speaker
I was so grateful that I had five million siblings because we had at least like five game boys laying around that I could just like hook up link cables to and be like, all right, I'm gonna be here for five hours. I have my snack. I have something to drink. You have the game boys on a lazy Susan. You're like, accept the trade. Initiate trade. It's like, who needs friends when you have five game boys and link cables?
01:02:41
Speaker
Although one thing, well, Jake's looking that up. One thing that I hated was when you're hooked up with the link cables and you're like, I'm gonna fight. I'm gonna fight my sister in Pokemon. And something in the link got messed up and it got glitchy. I hated it.
01:03:04
Speaker
Like I hate anytime technology gets weird. So like the graphics would go like. Yeah, I hated it. Cause you know that, that, uh,
01:03:22
Speaker
that cheat thing you could do to get like a bajillion master balls. It's not cheating. It's legitimate. But yes, I do know of that exploit on Sinbar Island. I was looking for a word other than cheating, but I couldn't think of it. Exploit. And how if you did that enough, it would like corrupt your file. That's like what happened with some of Link's stuff, but that also might have just happened because I use that exploit a lot.
01:03:51
Speaker
and got a ton of rare candies to get a level 100 Pokemon.
01:03:57
Speaker
It's kind of the original achievement hunt in a way. Pokemon has a lot of that, like for your own personal achievement, trying to get it all together. It's called Pokemon Home is the service. Okay. Um, and there's, it's just the premium version, I guess they cost money, but with the premium version, you can spend like $3 a month, $16 a year or something like that. And, um, store like 6,000 Pokemon or something in it. Ridiculous. Gotcha. Okay. So that's still a thing then.
01:04:25
Speaker
I didn't know if they changed it or got rid of it. So I would like to add to my previous answer and time to play Pokemon now so that I'm not committed to actually kicking it all off now. Because 16 bucks a year isn't crazy to track all of your Pokemon nonsense forever. Yeah. Yeah, renting a server is usually much more expensive. As soon as you said, I wish there was a database, I'm like,
01:04:58
Speaker
This is the end. I'm just going to wake up. She's going to be holding a switch in front of my face. It's time to go on your adventure. Your mom kicked you out. Let's go. Something like that. God, who's since an 11 year? Were they 10, 11?
01:05:15
Speaker
I think it was 11. Okay. Geez. Yeah. It's kind of small, small kid. Go out in the world. I know there's like a major organized terrorist group out there preying on people and their Pokemon. Just go. It's fine. Don't even worry about it.
01:05:36
Speaker
You'll be a good trainer. You can train your monsters to defend you from the terrorists. These monsters are to fight other monsters. Also self-defense. I saw like a clip or something recently. It was like a Pokemon animation where like the protagonist loses in a fight. It's like bug trainer, whoever.
01:05:58
Speaker
And then the guy's just like, all right, now that I've won, I'm going to need to knock you out and take your money. He's like, what? This is just the way it is. I was just thinking about like if all of your Pokemon faint you as like the character, you black out. Yeah, they knock you out. And like they take your money when you pass out and you wake up at like the hospital and you're like,
01:06:28
Speaker
And I'm literally 11 years old and I got beat up by an adult. Does that happen in the gym? I've been waiting along the side of the road.
01:06:41
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Does that happen in a gym if you wipe out? Yeah. It also sends you back. So in this case, there's literally everyone in the stands, everyone involved, all the spectators of this battle at the gym. Just watch on as you run out of Pokémon, then the person walks up and knocks you out, takes your money, carry them out. This is a learning experience for a 11-year-old.
01:07:10
Speaker
It's just like you're an adult and you're just sucker punching a kid to knock him out. And you're like empty his pockets before you go. How dare you. Pokemon there as a witness. Tell your trainer I did this and I'll be here waiting. Pokemon, loot the corpse. All right. Well,
01:07:37
Speaker
That's freaking Pokemon. It's a lot. Probably, you know, we could talk a lot longer about it, I think. But I think physically impossible to cover. We should even get to talk about Pokemon Go, which had a terrible launch and it's much better now. That's it. Maybe maybe follow up episode someday. It's the modern Pokemon instead of all of it. Pokemon is a fucking cultural phenomenon that's been going on for a really long time. It's a lot.
01:08:03
Speaker
Yeah, it really is. But thank you guys for listening. Thank you, Jenny, for being our guest for this month's episode. It's good to have you on as the canonical first recurring guest. Yeah, I'm going to hold that title near and dear to my heart and no one will ever pry it away from me no matter how much factor logic they throw at me.
01:08:27
Speaker
Ian won't get this far in the episode. Ian won't get this far in the episode. You can fight me. I'm destroying facts and logic with emotion. Yeah. Thank you guys for listening. As always, you could send feedback for this episode, any episode or future episodes to soapstonepodcast at gmail.com, or you could join the discussion on Facebook at facebook.com slash soapstonepodcast.
01:08:58
Speaker
And, as always, we'll see you in the next one. Have a good night. Good night.
01:09:32
Speaker
Oh, you're my best friend You're the world you must defend