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Episode 173: JURIC IS GONE!
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Southampton – The news has come out of the club that we have parted ways with Ivan Juric. We discuss this news!
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Transcript
Welcome to the Daily Southampton Podcast
00:00:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and today joined by my good friend and wonderful co-host, Zach Ingo Finch. How doing, mate?
00:00:22
Zak
Yeah, not too bad, mate. It's just made me realise I don't think I introduced you yesterday, but that's because I was still raging about the Spurs game.
00:00:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
but sorry right know we We like the passion. We love the passion.
Juric's Sacking Announcement
00:00:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
And speaking of which, breaking news in an almost as surprising news as our official relegation.
00:00:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Juric is no longer our manager. statement released from the club said that they had not seen the improvement that they were hoping for.
00:00:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
knowing that the situation itself was difficult, they still weren't impressed, with with Rusk and Lallana to take over until the end of the season for the last seven games. So, yeah.
00:01:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
How are you feeling? Let's take the surprise off the table.
00:01:09
Zak
I'm not going lie.
00:01:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's not It's been on the cards, right?
00:01:13
Zak
It's one of the cards, but I am surprised. like i It wasn't something i was expecting to wake up to this morning. I'm baffled that they've decided to wait. Obviously, by the sounds of it, the whole reason they've waited so long to do it is because they've waited until the relegation clause has kicked in and they could just get rid of it for no money, right which which makes a lot of sense.
00:01:30
Zak
because you know
00:01:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:01:31
Zak
But what was the point?
00:01:33
Zak
where I'm Like, I agree at the time. It should have probably been, like, Martin's time to go, right? We were, what, 4-0 down, half-time. He walked down the tunnel. He might not have lost the dressing room.
Player Performance and Strategy Debate
00:01:44
Zak
I think a lot of what Jack Stephens said yesterday, like, showing leadership qualities a little bit, which I was surprised by as much as anything else, but but talking about the fact that, you know, whoever's going to be here next season to get us back to the Premier League should be playing for the badge 100%, and And apparently, you know, not no point if the players dropped and they have put in 100% effort, which if that's the case, we're just bad.
00:02:07
Zak
So if that was the case, what was the point of it all?
00:02:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:02:10
Zak
Like, I'm... I'm glad we're going into the championship potentially of a complete clean slate and we can look to build something that is defensively more solid going forward. But I just, I'm baffled by like talk about learning from mistakes. that's what we ask for really.
00:02:28
Zak
And we now almost have a carbon copy of the season we got relegated last time.
00:02:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:02:33
Zak
manager in for a couple of days, replace it with a, you know, and the only the only thing I'm hoping isn't going to come out of it is that Rusk is going to start saying he wants the job on a permanent basis like like of old Sellers did.
00:02:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:02:45
Zak
and And also Lallana as assistant.
00:02:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Whatever.
00:02:47
Zak
Sure. Whatever.
00:02:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Wait, honestly, it can't be worse at this point.
00:02:50
Zak
yeah but Nah, it can't at this point.
00:02:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, it's... It is a change that I think is a almost service to fans, right? Like, there's been there's been a mix of get Juric out, he's completely useless, to apathy of, well, whatever, what difference does it make? It doesn't matter who's in charge. They're all rubbish.
00:03:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it's just, like, wiping the slate clean, right? Like, yeah, we're down. We've got seven games left, which obviously mean very little. But what that means is we've got a head start on getting organised for next season.
00:03:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're going to set a plan in place. We have to worry the about whether we're going to keep our manager or get a new one. We know we're going to get a
Analyzing Juric's Managerial Record
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Global Sports Podcast Network
new one. That search starts now.
00:03:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Early doors. You don't... You know, the one less thing to worry about from a fan perspective, right? We don't have to worry about suffering a season in the championship.
00:03:52
Zak
if he if he's going to be If he's going to be in charge next season, yeah.
00:03:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:03:56
Zak
But like,
00:03:57
Zak
sure there's a lot of baffling decision making and like I hope I know that I'm already seeing names thrown around and I'm sure we'll talk about all that later but like I'm hoping it's not as uninspiring as his appointment was like we tried to give them benefit the doubt and where we are now and you know average of two goals almost over two goals scored per game 0.29 points per game it's like man we would have actually been better off with Martin in charge and that same so coming from somebody that
00:04:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:04:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Am I right in thinking that that is genuinely the worst managerial statistics for any manager who had more than 10 Premier League games? Is that the style, Red?
00:04:32
Zak
I think so. Again, just add it to the list of accolades that we've won this year and why we're heading down to be more and more tin pot as far as everyone's concerned. and It's just a bunch of catastrophic failings that will be like examined in the future as to what happened that season.
00:04:50
Zak
right is there There will be examinations going everywhere. and like i thought i did you Did you hear about that story from Joe Rothwell that came out this morning as well?
00:04:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:04:58
Zak
So the story came out, was talking about how before the champion c loved championship championship player final, like Russell Martin had handwritten them all an individual letter, individually, like, you know, giving them out. He's like, oh, I've never had a manager do all that. And I'm just like, this is lovely and it's heartwarming and it's indicative of why it became such a problem when things did not go well.
00:05:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:05:17
Zak
Because it's like,
00:05:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right. It's a balance, right? Because yeah, you want You want your manager to have a good relationship with the players because that is a positive work environment. But also, sometimes a manager needs to bollock players and tell them off.
00:05:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
And if you're all chummy chummy, you're like, you're rubbish on Saturday. What's that achieving?
00:05:40
Zak
Yeah, it's the but it's it's not even it's not even like down to that, right? It's it's the is the... He shot himself in his in the foot. He wanted to play a style of football that couldn't be facilitated, right? We have a director of football we that went halfway through our championship season to Manchester United, which shows you
Club Investment and Strategy Critique
00:05:57
Zak
potentially how much an impact he had, whether or not you think...
00:06:01
Zak
I just, you know, either good or not, it's by the by. It's like, it's one of those situations where, you know, they learned nothing from it. They didn't invest properly into players. We we were never going to be able to compete. I was seeing, I think it was like a, I can't remember the name of the guy.
00:06:14
Zak
feel really bad because I know I like to credit people where they're Somebody on Twitter, slash x whatever you want to call it. I think it's like a Euro expert. Was talking about how like... we are a classic example of what happens when you come up and do not invest properly.
00:06:27
Zak
And like we invested in small areas and we bought lots of players, we rolled dice on. them Whereas like Nottingham Forest, when they came up, yeah, they got points, deductions and fines and stuff, but they like completely overhauled their squad with all of the money.
00:06:39
Zak
i think we didn't have enough money to come up this season. and I don't think we had enough money invested and I don't know whether or not they'll learn from that because the biggest problem I've got is that they keep investing tons of money and look where they're invested in such weird places.
00:06:51
Zak
And I think rolling it back to the actual point, which is Juric's sacking, like ah baffled I've just baffled the the whole chain of events just seemed a bit like a waste of time.
00:07:03
Zak
like i guess it wouldn't be the case if he if he'd won a few games but he didn't and the problem is is that everyone who when we got him in went well this is a waste of time is now sat there retweeting reposting all of their comments from like four months ago going so he told you and it's like if theres if the fact that a bunch of us random fans can go this just seems a bit uninspiring but then also i have a feeling who wanted to take that job at that point and also
00:07:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, yeah.
00:07:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:07:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Well, I want to elaborate on some of those points bit, and I've got some counterpoints.
00:07:31
Zak
Interesting.
00:07:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
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00:08:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we are back. Okay, so I've got some points and counterpoints. i've got lots of thoughts, Zach.
00:08:20
Zak
cool
00:08:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
I guess first off, I don't think it was a complete waste of time because, yes, it it wasn't a success. But there is an alternative reality where we're sat here on like 21 points looking forward to a season in the championship with Juric.
00:08:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
And now we don't have to wait until next season to go, that Juric bloke looks all right. Let's get him in and get excited for the season. Right? It's done. It's the way. So though it wasn't completely pointless. We learned.
00:08:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
We don't have mistakes. We have learning experiences. Right? That's a That's not true. We have made lots of mistakes this year. But I want to touch on your point about the finances and stuff and spending coming up too early, spending, putting ourselves... And it's something that we've not really talked about on on the show, but last week, the 24, 25 calendar year,
00:09:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
five calendar year numbers came out. And maybe me stumbling over what they're even called explains why we haven't touched on it in this show, because that is neither of our areas of expertise.
00:09:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
but
00:09:30
Zak
No, your accounts are not...
00:09:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
but But we turned a profit. So, you know, that that almost takes us like back to scratch on PSR regulations, right? it's It should give us a financially better position next year to build upon.
00:09:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
So... So actually, maybe it's not as disastrous as we're all
Financial Reset and Future Planning
00:09:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
feeling like it is. Obviously, this season has been awful. We were made mistake after mistake, a mistake to get here.
00:09:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's been dreadful. But looking forward to the future now, kind of like a complete reset. We've got we've made those mistakes to be able to learn from. right We've brought in now a director of football who seems to have...
00:10:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
football know you know he's got experience in a footballing capacity in a similar structure that we want to have as a group who wants to put his stamp on things and has already come out in interviews and said that he wants to be the responsible party and take that fall or rise from it that's good that's what we needed like we're financially not quite back to square one but we turned a profit so we're in a financially healthy place and good that's what we needed so it's almost like like a hard reset right like it's been an awful season and now we just have to try and fully switch off from it and move on and hope that the that we have learned from those mistakes and take it in a positive way right as opposed to sort of ruin too much about how rubbish it's been
00:11:05
Zak
I get what you're saying. I understand. How much of your season tickets cost you last like couple of years?
00:11:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, an upsetting amount.
00:11:15
Zak
So I've helped some businessmen, our support for the club has helped some businessmen learn some lessons.
00:11:20
Zak
Cool. Do you know what it would be better if they'd learnt those lessons the first time round and then gone from there? And it's great that like hopefully we'll go into next season...
00:11:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but I mean, if it was as easy as that, right, no one would get relegated, so
00:11:33
Zak
No, no, I get it. I understand. i understand what you're saying. It's the the manner, the humiliating manner that it's it's been in. The fact that we have literally watched the same mistakes from last time almost be repeated but almost almost time for time. We stuck with a manager for too long, except...
00:11:51
Zak
This time we we stretched out a little bit more and then we got rid of him and brought somebody else in. And the only smart thing we did, didn't really have a plan.
00:11:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Didn't really have a plan.
00:11:57
Zak
Turns out we didn't even have a plan for if we were just going to keep Martin no matter what. Well, the thing is, iss like if if that's the case, stop listening to fans at all. Just get on with it. Because what I'm baffled by is if if the atmosphere's turned because everyone's mad at Martin and everyone wanted him fired so they got rid of him because they sat and watched us go 4-0 down by halftime and don't think he was the one to be able to recover it.
00:12:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:12:17
Zak
Which, to be honest, after a couple of those games, the Chelsea game being one of them, the Tottenham game, lot I wouldn't have gone as well. I tried my best to kind of remain neutral on it for the longest time, but it was miserable. Absolutely miserable. We weren't getting better.
00:12:29
Zak
So then, okay...
00:12:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think our tagline for about three weeks in that period at least was, yeah, he should go, but they're not going to do it. So...
00:12:36
Zak
Yeah, that's literally where we're at. And then they finally did it. And then the fact of the matter is, is they hadn't planned properly for a replacement, which is like, what you, why are you, we've talked about this before, like you're planning felt like years in advance about introducing this new, like Southampton waterfront, like bars and hotels. We're going redevelop the area around St. Mary's. I'm like, mate, if you want people to come and watch the football, that needs to be entertaining enough to have people stay in these expensive hotels. Yeah.
00:13:04
Zak
And like, that's again, is that that's where they they drop the ball massively. And they have hopefully learned. But remember, right, really, Greg, we brought in a director of football when they came in the first time around, which was Jason Wilcox. The problem was, is he was poached.
00:13:16
Zak
And how are they going to prevent that happening going forward?
00:13:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:13:18
Zak
You know, Oscar even made a joke about a couple of weeks ago, and then we lose him. my My problem is if we lose him and they have somebody they they need to have a plan... that's more than what they did last time, which is ours because we just leave it to the manager and head of recruitment. We're already starting to see them cut the rot away, right? The head of recruitment went as well. That's one of the things that first Spores has done. Now we've got this. weve We're giving it to Rusk, who, you know, at the moment has a point, which which is almost as much as the rest of our managers. So we'll see how it goes. And Lallana, and people were talking about doing that for the rest of the season anyway, treating it like that first relegation season.
00:13:53
Zak
i I accept that
00:13:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah I mean, there's nothing there's nothing to gain from bringing in anyone new for the rest of the season. So, you know, calling it an interim job, giving Rusk the opportunity to just probably play out some of the players that going to be here next season, play some youth, get them some minutes.
00:13:59
Zak
no but...
00:14:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, a lot of the games are going to be rubber games anyway.
00:14:10
Zak
But then the argument there is they could have done that. The argument is they could have done that without Juric. They could have done that without bringing in Juric. They could have done that, fought it out till, you know, for some reason, they seem to think that he was the relegation saviour. He was the supposed original pick before Nathan Jones. And now you can understand that if both both of them are on the same level, that their level of footballing understanding...
00:14:32
Zak
is not there. And it's just it's just an indictment of our season. It's like, how much more of a joke can we become? People talk about how he's jumping ship. I 100% think he's been he's been let go.
00:14:43
Zak
don't think that's the case. I think if he had just been able to stay, because he was talking about wanting to build a project. It's just, it's upsetting to watch. It's like, how much more of a joke can we get, other than the fact that we're not going to reach the tally of the points this season?
00:14:57
Zak
It's all about the fans, all about the fans this, all about the fans that. It's like, yeah I feel like it has to be for something, right? And you're talking about how like, oh, you know, you know, it's not mistakes, it's line of appearances.
00:15:09
Zak
No, is a mistake. They need to own that. It needs to be for something.
00:15:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:15:13
Zak
this This season needs to be for something.
00:15:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, I agree.
00:15:15
Zak
They cannot go down and up again and go, wow it's just we've learned nothing. Because that is what we' it's felt like so far is that they they had an established Premier League team.
00:15:26
Zak
They purchased it. They tried to invest. They didn't invest properly. We went down and we've we've done exactly the same thing again. So, yeah, it's just, for for me, Djuric was a, we wanted to give him a chance. We gave him a chance.
00:15:39
Zak
It's become dire. It was nice to see a resurgence of Suleymane and Onoachi, which I probably don't think would have happened under Martin,
Season Evaluation and Decision-Making Reflection
00:15:48
Zak
if I'm totally honest. ah the same At the end of the day, how many of these players are even going to be here at the end of the season?
00:15:54
Zak
If Martin had stayed in charge, again, I think it' would probably be similar. Maybe we would have picked up some more points, if I'm totally honest. Eventually, something might have kicked into gear. But I don't know how many more catastrophic losses we could have taken as a fan base without going absolutely mental on a week-to-week basis.
00:16:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:16:09
Zak
It's just the whole situation is trash and Juric going is just another cherry on the top. And I'm surprised by it because I'm like, what was the point? But I guess it's because they just want to get him gone now.
00:16:22
Zak
Exactly.
00:16:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:16:22
Zak
As you said, as a bit of fan service, but it just seems like the entire season has been a waste of time. of it the The entire season has just been the thing that came after that really good day out at Webley.
00:16:34
Zak
And us doing a podcast as well, to be fair.
00:16:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
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00:16:42
Zak
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00:17:04
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00:17:12
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I want to, I guess, touch on your points and take a slightly deeper dive into why I think the board are taking it as seriously as you think.
00:17:22
Zak
think i'm just I think I'm just mad, mate.
00:17:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I think it's, I think it's as funny though, as the detail of their choice of wording in their post on social media.
00:17:24
Zak
That's all.
00:17:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
They're right. Because, uh, it's It's been banded about on Twitter a bit and obviously on some of the articles. The choice of wording being we have confirmed our place in the championship for next season.
00:17:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like that as an achievement. Yeah.
00:17:44
Zak
it's it's that it's the it's the It's the inevitability of all that's really wound me up.
00:17:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
just
00:17:50
Zak
The inevitability from when we started to feel it in December, we're joking about in January, and it's the fact that that seems to have seeped into the players somewhere.
00:17:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:17:59
Zak
And it seems like all of them have forgotten how to kind of play a normal game of football. And I don't know if it's just because, you know, how we can talk that Tyler Dibbling is a player of incredible Premier League quality and on the flip side, talk about players that have played in the Premier League for a number of years, people like Jan Bednarek,
00:18:15
Zak
and somehow end up with the team that we ended up with this season, it's that's it's just like it's just baffling.
00:18:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:18:22
Zak
The whole thing is baffling to me. And it it makes me it makes me mad. And it's this whole like inevitability of Jan coming out and being like, well, we knew a couple of weeks ago. And as I said to you, if you'd strung some wins together,
00:18:34
Zak
if you realise where the problems were, if you patch those holes, if you make those runs back, if you put the effort in, that the 100% effort that you said you are. And honestly, if they have put 100% effort in and they are just that bad, then they are just that bad and that's that.
00:18:49
Zak
But I have a feeling that a lot of these players are going to go off in the summer and some of them are going to start pandying, like just sort of dotting themselves around at other teams in the Premier League. And that's going to be like, well, clearly, you know, you're not as self-aware as you say you are because you're you're saying you're not a player of that quality.
00:19:05
Zak
But you think, do you see what I mean? There just seems to be such a disconnect with such a frustration that everyone has seen this as an inevitability, but they were the ones that had the influence to change that decision.
00:19:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:19:17
Zak
And that's what I mean, you know?
00:19:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, baffling.
00:19:22
Zak
Upsetting me. I'm just upset about it all.
00:19:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
How many times have we stood on the sidelines just asking for just a bit of movement or a bit of... We don't don't have high expectations as Saints fans if we're being honest.
00:19:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
We know... we know where we're at in the league we knew it was going to be a struggle you know i've optimistically predicted as high as 12th but we knew it was going to be a tough season where we struggled to stay up that was abundantly clear from the get-go but we don't ask a lot like sure being stuck in a relegation fight it would not to be ideal but it wasn't even a fight it was like a whimper No, I don't know.
00:20:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
I want to talk before we close out. I saw... we talk a lot about bad football intakes. And I delved into the comments section on Facebook of the Daily Echo post about Jurich being fired.
00:20:20
Zak
Oh, goodness gracious.
00:20:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah And I saw maybe the funniest take I have seen where the comment was... just don't do a pink kit next year, that's embarrassing.
00:20:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, honestly, that might be the least embarrassing part of our season. like
00:20:40
Zak
if someone has said, say, mate, I think
00:20:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
i like the pink kit, but also...
00:20:44
Zak
pick I picked the right top to wear. But like no but i think I think the problem is is that it does give... Choices like that do give ammunition, right?
00:20:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:20:54
Zak
Like, you know, it was nice to have the stripes back. The sponsor is absolutely hideous. the then they Then they basically would must have been sat there at Puma looking around at their desk, at their marketing desk, and then they looked over at their pack of highlighters and went...
00:21:09
Zak
There you go
00:21:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's the away kit sorted and the other third kit.
00:21:10
Zak
So I've been sorted. Yes. And the third kit.
00:21:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Bing bang bomb.
00:21:15
Zak
And then they looked over to their gel pens and they went, and there's the goalkeepers.
00:21:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:21:18
Zak
And then like, and like, I think that's the problem is it's like the thought that's been put into, it is indicative of modern football, right?
00:21:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:21:30
Zak
Simple as that. Like it's, it's just a, it's just a thing that has upset people. I don't think it's because,
00:21:38
Zak
you know I don't think he it's going to just be... It's not just the problems we've encountered that have caused this. and i don't think but like sit Things like the kit and stuff like that, they're all they're all part of the same thing that annoys people.
00:21:53
Zak
And it's becoming like you know touristy, modern football. Even for like a club like ours right like it's becoming that way you've talked about the the benefits being stripped away they feel really bad because they're they you know i think that's what the effect on their commercial business is going to be the thing that starts to to really sort of kick sports of republic up the backside to do stuff about it but i just it just feels like a lot of people have been like wow this this this couldn't have we couldn't do anything to stop this train and like pull the brakes
00:22:26
Zak
No, no. I was like, i okay, try and pull the brakes. No, no, no We got in. We have one sign in in January, mate. A low knee from the French league who were almost bottom.
00:22:36
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only played twice as well.
00:22:38
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Mad, isn't it?
00:22:38
Zak
What do they think was happen?
00:22:39
Zak
And what was the, black again, so this is why I asked, what was the point of Juric coming in?
00:22:46
Zak
I'm just, I'm just sad, mate. Salabton's made me sad.
00:22:48
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we're going to try and put the, the misery behind us and look forward because we do like to try and maintain an optimistic and positive look on this show, despite the hard
Closing and Future Podcast Teasers
00:23:00
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times. And Juric is gone.
00:23:03
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butr But what does that mean next? Well, we'll discuss that tomorrow. Come back and let us know. Let us know in the comments. What do you think's next? How do you feel about George going?
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We're on all the socials. We're on TikTok and X and Instagram and Facebook on the Daily Southampton page and Blue Sky.
00:23:26
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And I feel like I'm forgetting one, but we're on we're on all the socials. Go ahead give us a search. We're on YouTube. on the Daily Southampton page. We'll be back tomorrow ah's talk more about the future and what that might look like.
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Until then, see you next time.