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Episode 174: What comes next?
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Southampton –With Juric OFFICIALLY gone, we take a look at the list of managers we are lined up with, and share some thoughts on how that will play out.
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Transcript
Introduction and Greetings
00:00:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg Elliott and once again today joined by my good friend and wonderful co-host, Zach Ingo Finch. How are doing, Zach?
Southampton FC Frustrations and Managerial Issues
00:00:24
Zak
Yeah, all right. As much as you can be with the dams full of the entirety of civilization, football club that I love sucks. Most video games that come out now are pretty trash. I'm just miserable, mate.
00:00:36
Zak
LAUGHTER LAUGHTER
00:00:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
You've obviously never played Balatro. That has taken over my life.
00:00:43
Zak
I just, I'm alright, it's just it a bit weird time to be a Saints fan, isn't it?
00:00:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:00:48
Zak
I can't wait to talk about some of the absolute insane things that are already coming out of both our fanbase and outside our fanbase now that we are managerless again for feels like the hundredth time in the last couple of years.
00:00:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:00:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:01:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, that's it, mate. We spent some time yesterday reflecting on why we brought Juric in and and what that meant. But now it's time to think a little bit about what's next, right?
00:01:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
We know we've got Rusk and Alana till the end of the season. Fine. Good. Go for gold.
00:01:18
Zak
Can I make a point about that?
00:01:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:01:20
Zak
Good.
Search for a New Manager: Challenges and Preferences
00:01:20
Zak
Right. i am i am I know that some people were talking about bringing him in bringing him in already, like bringing in a new manager already. One, I don't think that they've got the list sorted yet.
00:01:30
Zak
think they've probably been putting a list together for a while now. least At least they're more prepared this time around. They've made the decision.
00:01:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:01:37
Zak
They've pulled the trigger. It must have been after the after discussions have had. don't tarnish our new manager with like whoever it is with what, what's happened this season.
00:01:48
Zak
Just, there's no need. like Bring, bring him bring him in the day after all of the contracts for people end.
00:01:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm fully with you that. Look.
00:01:56
Zak
how about that?
00:01:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, tune second.
00:01:56
Zak
So that way he gets to, yeah, so it, so it,
00:01:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know. Look, clean slate. but Look, I've talked about it on the show. Clean slate, hard reset, fresh start. We go again. Nevertheless, you know, we can speculate, right?
00:02:11
Zak
Oh yeah, 100%, that's fine.
00:02:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
i
00:02:12
Zak
know
00:02:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
So let's let's think about it, right?
00:02:12
Zak
But...
00:02:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
So let's, I guess, that's I've got a list in front of me, and I know that you've got a couple of names that aren't on this list, which are equally as funny. Let's start with the most likely, which is going to take the most time, and work our way through Son of the Absurdity.
00:02:27
Zak
Let's go.
00:02:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, so, you know, Elephant in the Room seems to have be pretty locked on, although we've got contrasting opinions on how much we think that is.
00:02:36
Zak
We do...
00:02:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Danny Roll seems to be, he's definitely the bookie's favourite, odds on, to be the next Saints manager.
00:02:44
Zak
There was a lot of talk and a lot of looking into him before Spores took charge. And I don't know whether or not him now being in charge and him, as you said yesterday, taking the responsibility, wants to gamble.
00:02:57
Zak
And like you said, he he likes him. He follows him. He sees him as a good coach.
00:03:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
They've worked together before.
00:03:02
Zak
Yeah, so that those are all things that put that is aness as a benefit in the box of potentially him coming to work with us. Sheffield Wednesday's whole situation is awful, terrible and upsetting if you're a Wednesday fan, to be perfectly honest.
00:03:16
Zak
which could potentially work out as art in our favour, right? We probably won't be having to do what we did with Russell Martin in Swansea, which, you know, all of that information kind of got likeed leaked to the public and Russell Martin wasn't happy about talking about it, which is understandable if you're in a legal dispute with somebody.
00:03:31
Zak
So, like, there is a a cost benefit to that as well. It is whether or not
00:03:39
Zak
it will fit what we want to go going forward and how we're going to establish ourselves as a team. I don't think it would be a bad appointment. All
Debate on Proven vs. Unproven Managers
00:03:45
Zak
I'm trying to say is that the way that people are talking about it is that it's completely locked in and locked on, right?
00:03:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:03:51
Zak
And this is how people were talking about some of the other characters. And then out of nowhere, we ended up getting Ivan Juric.
00:03:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:03:55
Zak
but
00:03:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Also, right, for me, and, you know, I rate Danny Roll, and I know he's got history with the club, and I'm sure he would do a fantastic job for us, and will if that is the case, but...
00:04:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's another unproven manager at that Premier League level, right? It's another risk and gamble. And sure, it's sort of proven to some degree to be able to do a lot with not a lot in the Championship.
00:04:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that might be all well and good for next season. But it really puts us in a really precariously similar position to this season if we go up, right?
00:04:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
So...
00:04:31
Zak
Yes, it's it's one of those things, but the flip side of that, to play devil's advocate, because I genuinely don't know what side of the fence I land on at this point, is that you end up with just the merry-go-round of managers, right?
00:04:44
Zak
Like, you're already starting to start going through some of the people that we've been linked with, and it's like, really? Really? We're now just... Just stuff it. just make it Big Sam at this point. So, yeah as much as it's unproven, how do you get to yourself?
00:04:58
Zak
Who who are we getting that's proven?
00:04:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think... You said that as a joke.
00:04:59
Zak
Right?
00:05:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think I'd hate that.
00:05:04
Zak
Oh, that's harrowing. my Yeah, my my point is, like, who who do we get that's proven?
00:05:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I don't know.
00:05:12
Zak
Who wants to come...
00:05:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't have the answer to that question.
00:05:14
Zak
I think that's, that's why, but that, that is one of the questions that they're going to have to be asking. And I don't think they have the answer to that question.
00:05:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:05:21
Zak
Someone that's proven that, on you know, unless, unless they're to what they do, well what, what Salampton fans love, which is just returning to the past. Are we going to, you know, are we going to dig out? So we're going to somehow get Pochettino from the US men's team.
00:05:33
Zak
We're not, he's, he's got a world cup to do first. You know, are we, are we going to,
00:05:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's more than Strachan up to these days.
00:05:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:05:41
Zak
fla But Harry Reddap's probably retired still. That was a lovely time.
00:05:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
any i i may I don't even think the Saints fans who love to live in the past have any interest in that reuniting, mate.
00:05:53
Zak
It's upsetting enough that Rupert Lowe made a resurgence. But regardless of what your political opinions are, it's not up to me to judge. But it's just as a Saints fan, it's a horrible reminder. of a time where we went through a horrible part of a horrible time. But yeah, like, it's weird, isn't it? It's very, very strange. And it's difficult because it's like, you want to get somebody that's fresh, will bring good ideas, will revitalise the team.
00:06:19
Zak
And that's why some of the names of the list and you being like, yeah, Big Sam, I'm like... Does that say panicked appointment? more like It must be hard to be Sam Allardyce now, right? You come into a team and everyone's there like, oh no, you're here to try and save us from relegation. We've been relegated.
00:06:34
Zak
but we That shouldn't be our ambition, mate.
00:06:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, look, I think... I think that does Sam Allardyce. I think that undersells his ability, right? he yeah have to remember that he is a manager who is at the forefront of the change in football, right? Like he is one of the first managers that brought in his own backroom staff to do the sort of analytics and work through on the sessions.
00:07:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
And, you know, you know, as far as I'm going.
00:07:02
Zak
And somehow it's just going to end up hoofing to Paul Oduaccio again, isn't it?
00:07:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. But look, yeah you know as much as I do that football and philosophies are not my cup tea.
00:07:07
Zak
Sorry.
00:07:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
And so maybe Big Sam is that refreshing change to save football that we all need.
00:07:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
i'll not say I'm not saying that I actually want Big Sam to be our next manager. I'm just saying if it happened, I probably wouldn't be upset.
00:07:29
Zak
I just want everyone to picture this, right? Spores goes in, folders, sits down at the boardroom, slams it down, sits there, opens all these up. Goes back in his chair like this, clicks his hand, looks directly at Dragon Solak and goes, Big Sam.
00:07:45
Zak
The whole room erupts in applause. The season's been saved. We're going to get promoted again, mate.
Review of Potential Managerial Candidates
00:07:52
Zak
fever
00:07:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Honestly, what we're going to do after the break is go through the rest of the list from Paddy Power that I've got in front of me. And I want you to tell me where you think on this list, Big Sam, would fit in. Because I think it's lower than some than some of the answers on this list, honestly.
00:08:15
Zak
For sure, mate, for sure.
00:08:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah ah yeah Let's take a break and take a message from our partners at Bionique.
Comparing Leagues and Managerial Ambitions
00:09:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, and we are back.
00:09:09
Zak
Thank you.
00:09:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
So i am going carry on down the list in odds order, and the and we'll go from there. So i'm going to absolutely butcher some pronunciations of names here, and I am sorry, but it's just not my strong suit.
00:09:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
So Liam, is it Resenia? that good effort? Is that a bad effort?
00:09:36
Zak
Tried your best, mate.
00:09:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Correct me.
00:09:37
Zak
It's the the manager of Strasbourg.
00:09:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Strasbourg. I mean, oh a team that also i'm going to struggle to pronounce.
00:09:40
Zak
Yeah.
00:09:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Not not at the most helpful.
00:09:43
Zak
No, but a team that also have European football so next season, by the looks of it. So I don't don't really understand why you'd want to leave to go to the championship. But also...
00:09:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Best league in the world, mate? That's all it is.
00:09:55
Zak
Better than French League One, to be fair. What are you doing? You're fighting to fight to come second to PSG every year.
00:10:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:10:02
Zak
Might be a controversial opinion.
00:10:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, no it doesn't isn't seem like a likely one to me. It's interesting that the odds are as, I want say as low, but
00:10:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
compared to 4-7 on. think it's pretty clear where Paddy Power sees the direction he's going.
00:10:19
Zak
I think i think and it's an interesting one, but again, like it's one of those things that you could have somebody that comes into the room when they do these interviews, that puts down a plan in front of both Spores and the others, and that impresses them enough to give them the job.
00:10:34
Zak
At the moment, we just everyone is just assuming role, but I could see that being...
00:10:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:10:39
Zak
you know I think some people... It's a step towards probably Premier League management or it's a step towards something more exciting. It's a project. It's something, a way to entirely shape your own T shape.
00:10:51
Zak
You know, is the championship more prolific than the French League one? What do you reckon? Genuine question.
00:10:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
think I think that the the promise me land of the Premier League awaits, right? That's the selling point of being a good manager in the championship.
00:11:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
If you get a good season and a win in the championship, which is very doable with a team that's coming down, in theory, then it's your it's a the fastest route, right, to a Premier League manager.
00:11:21
Zak
Mm. Yep. ye
00:11:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
And and that is that is prolific, right? That is the most arguably the target for most, at least European managers, I would say, become a manager at that level.
Star Players Turned Managers: Lampard and More
00:11:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, yeah.
00:11:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe ah it would be an interesting one. Speaking of interesting, maybe in a different context, Frank Lampard? Great one, all three.
00:11:48
Zak
Sure. I've seen a couple of people throw his name around already. Again, like we're recording this probably about, we've been recording, we're recording to yesterday's and today's back to back, mainly due to time constraints, because we're human beings, but also because they're natural, they're natural points that have flowed into one another.
00:12:05
Zak
And me and Greg know that we're going to end up having a 50 to 60 minute conversation regardless, may as well record it. But one of the things, but it is is you' insane how quick it's gone from him being fired to the names that we've been linked with that no one would have linked us with. And Frank Lampard is really one of those, right? Out of nowhere, you know, heading up a a promotion charge for Coventry City. Yeah, he's made Coventry play well. Yeah, he did all right at Derby. Did everyone just forget when he was in charge of Chelsea twice and also Everton?
00:12:32
Zak
that why can we I already have my opinions on like that golden generation of players becoming managers and how many of them are not really succeeding at being managers. Depends on your definition of success. If it's being paid half a billion pounds a year in the Saudi league, then you know that's one way. But I'm very, very sceptical that Frank Lampard could be leading the charge.
00:12:57
Zak
You know?
00:12:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. No, you're right. It's not an appointment that I see making any sense. Yeah, no not for me.
00:13:06
Zak
it's it's It's just like, why?
00:13:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
are
00:13:08
Zak
What have we...
00:13:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
To put it back in the context of the start of the episode, mate, more or less positive and more or less likely than Big Sam.
00:13:17
Zak
no. You're right. You're right. Oh, that's a hard one.
00:13:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Yeah.
00:13:24
Zak
Shut up.
Evaluating Managerial Fits for Southampton
00:13:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
This joint second favorite, mate.
00:13:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's what I'm just saying. like it Okay. Next on the list, Steve Cooper.
00:13:35
Zak
Well, again, merry-go-round, didn't it? The management merry-go-round.
00:13:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:13:38
Zak
Comes into Leicester, don't want him at Leicester, get rid of it, Leicester. After being at Forrest, don't want him at Forrest, get rid of it, Forrest. Give him to Southampton. Southampton, have him for a little bit, then we'll get rid of him.
00:13:48
Zak
I can remember our counterpart on the Leicester show, was not a big fan of him. they They needed to... Forrest ended up moving away from him, which turned out to be the right decision. Forrest now in like Champions League spots.
00:14:01
Zak
do we Do we want him for a rebuild? No, not not really. Would I prefer him over Frank Lampard? Probably.
00:14:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:14:09
Zak
Would I prefer Frank Lampard over Sam Allardyce? Maybe.
00:14:15
Zak
They're probably on the same level for me. like I'd rather neither of them.
00:14:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
and the like It's making some upsetting reading in it, right? Because you it really puts the yeah puts the point of our unproven and doubts about Danny Roll into context of actually could looking at the rest of this list.
00:14:21
Zak
yeah But then this is the reality of it which is why...
00:14:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Definitely the lesser of the evils. Someone I cannot claim to know a huge amount next on the list. Kasper Kjolmund.
00:14:44
Zak
So he was the guy that was supposed to...
00:14:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's Danish manager, right?
00:14:47
Zak
Yeah, so he was supposedly going to come in when Juric came in. So I think he must be in their little book of people, supposedly slightly more defensively minded. We had a we had a brief discussion about with him about a month or two ago.
00:14:59
Zak
Not the month or two ago, sorry. but Beginning of the year.
00:15:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:15:03
Zak
whenever Russell Martin was fired, he was one of the potential replacements at that point. And I think I probably would have been more excited for that than Juric, if I'm totally honest. However, i don't see them... Again, like I don't see... i think that he has been linked to the bookies because he was linked to us previously.
00:15:18
Zak
i do not think that Spores has looked at their appointments.
00:15:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
00:15:22
Zak
and It's like if your kid brings you a bad drawing, Greg, and you go, oh, thanks, buddy, and then you put it up on the fridge. I have a feeling that a lot of the appointments that like but Sports Republic have taken... to sports has gone, yeah, he sounds like a really good manager. We'll put his name right up on the fridge. And they're probably not going hire them.
00:15:41
Zak
At least that's what I'd hope. or Otherwise, otherwise my my faith will rapidly rapidly dwindle in our current director of football slash global footballing or whatever you want to call it nowadays.
00:15:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:15:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, he did an alright job with the Danish national team, right? That was his last managerial job. So, maybe...
00:15:58
Zak
um'm always I'm always sceptical with national team managers, though, coming back into...
00:16:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:16:02
Zak
Because it's used a completely different ballgame, realistically, isn't it?
00:16:05
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00:16:40
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Okay, and we're back. So next on the list, and to put this into context, we're down as far as 14 to 1. So, you know, not that unlikely, but also not that likely. Sean Dyche.
00:16:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
No? You don't think that Dyche is missold as a one-trick pony, as a manager that could be more tactically diverse and robust?
00:17:05
Zak
I just don't...
00:17:06
Zak
It's difficult, right? you remember when we got rid of Puel despite the fact came like or whatever?
00:17:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:17:12
Zak
But does everyone remember why we got rid of Puel?
00:17:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:17:15
Zak
Yeah.
00:17:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think Dycheball would be as bad as that. I think I'd rather Dyche over Lampard, but not over Big Sam, so that's where I'm putting him on that scale.
00:17:26
Zak
I don't know.
00:17:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:17:27
Zak
I feel like some of these... but where I feel like I'll probably get excited for that. Like, you'd be lucky to have Sean Dyche. we probably would.
00:17:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:17:34
Zak
I don't know. It depends what our ambitions are going forward, right?
00:17:40
Zak
If it's just
00:17:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Here's a question, because we were linked with Sean Dyche in January when you know when we brought Jurich in. If we had brought Dyche in instead of Jurich, do you think that we'd have had like a glimmer of hope and a chance of staying up?
00:17:56
Zak
I don't think we'd have stayed up. I think that we would have been well past the points, Barry, at this point. I think probably would have drawn out draws and hoofball and whatever. And I think offensively, we would have been hopefully more sound than we have been, where we've consistently left ourselves exposed and made silly mistakes. But it depends. Are the players going to stop making dumb mistakes under a different manager? Probably not.
00:18:15
Zak
It really depends where their mentality's at. But I think that that could have been the case. But if imagine if we'd stayed up, though. Then it would have been It would just be then like... kicking that can down the road for as long as possible.
00:18:26
Zak
And I don't know i don't know how
00:18:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm.
00:18:29
Zak
don't know how much of they ambitious appointment it is, but also it depends what we want to do
Southampton's Premier League Aspirations
00:18:35
Zak
next year. is that Is the goal to do what we did last time and go down and come straight back up?
00:18:40
Zak
That's a question we've not actually asked ourselves. is is it Is that their ambition? Is it to immediately return to the Premier League? And if they the so cha shop thing is immediately to return to the Premier League, I feel like playing sort of a really defensive-minded football...
00:18:56
Zak
Don't get me wrong, you need a really good defence in the Championship, but also...
00:18:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:19:00
Zak
not having sort of the obliteration power of some of the other clubs that have come down will become like a mid-table championship club.
00:19:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think to touch on that, I think we need to come up immediately as as horrible as it is because because we have come down after going back up.
00:19:07
Zak
But that is an interesting point, to be fair.
00:19:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think we only get two years of the parachute payments. And so gambling it all, you know, our remaining advantage on a season after next is, I don't think that's a smart move.
00:19:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
So yeah.
00:19:30
Zak
but But as you also pointed out, is that is that harsh of Sean Dyche probably, which again is relieving us with not really a lot of managers to put a punt on that we actually trust. But I think it's because all of the managers that are available that we're tapping up are either all free transfers or alternatively in my opinion, like we're not going to get any really, really good managers that we want.
00:19:52
Zak
So it's it's difficult for us to to try and make the best out of a bad situation, which is why a lot of us are kind of all in on Danny Roll because a lot of these, that this list, you're not like, yeah, I'll take him in a heartbeat.
00:19:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:20:03
Zak
And it's like, actually perfect.
00:20:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right. We should fly through the rest of the list though, mate. Okay. Simon Rusk, obviously going to be caretaker manager for the rest of the season. He didn't want the job permanently when he took it over in January.
00:20:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I don't think seven games in charge of the worst team in Premier League history is going to change his mind. Do you?
00:20:21
Zak
No, probably not. I think if you if you like being in development football, that's what you like to be, right?
00:20:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, happy days. Moving swiftly
Changing Identity and Managerial Philosophies
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Global Sports Podcast Network
on. Gary O'Neill? to 1?
00:20:30
Zak
Sure.
00:20:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
like I think he'd be alright. I think I'd be happy with that as an appointment. But it's another one of these ones where it's like the musical merry-go-round of Relly which manages
00:20:34
Zak
It depends if...
00:20:38
Zak
Yeah, it's one of those it's one of these musical merry-go-rounds. And it's it's, again, like, can't remember hartman who was talking about it, but we talked about it at one time where we still trying to define our identity, right? Like, we're going to have this Italian heavy metal Jewish football. And then under Russell Martin, we were going to be a young English squad with a young English coach. And it's like...
00:20:56
Zak
I just have a feeling that they are going to, with Spore's background, try and do a Red Bull-esque something. And I just think a lot of the people that are picked in this list aren't suited to that style of what he wants, which is why I think it's going end up as Rol.
00:21:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:21:10
Zak
And I think the rest of your list, I'm looking forward to listening you because in my head, I'm just like, nah.
00:21:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right.
00:21:15
Zak
but So yeah, I wouldn't be as upset with it, but also like Wolves didn't exactly have the season of a lifetime, did they?
00:21:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, well, still in the sort of 16 to 1 range, David Wagner.
00:21:22
Zak
Yeah.
00:21:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
but Okay, and we are back, I think. We had some technical difficulties. Not entirely sure where we were left off, but I think next on the list at 16 to 1 is David Wagner.
00:21:39
Zak
Sure. Did write Hunsfield, didn't he?
00:21:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:43
Zak
Something a bit different.
00:21:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:21:46
Zak
Someone slightly...
00:21:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Also, German-like spores, I guess, is like a tenuous link there. don't know. Yeah. just
00:21:54
Zak
I said, i don't I don't know where we were cut off, but I was just going on a rant about how yeah you know I feel like he's going to try and implement some sort of Red Bull-style football to this area. And I think that a lot of the managers that we've got, I don't think they're going to want a w riskted rinsed, recycled manager.
00:22:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:22:10
Zak
I think they're going to want somebody fresh, someone new. And that's probably why Roel is the front-runner. But then, potentially, Liam from Strasbourg might do a good job as well. Did you also see Will still? Is he on your list?
00:22:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's not on my list. See the one who was, who didn't have his badges for a long time and got the job because he was good at football manager.
00:22:22
Zak
He was...
00:22:25
Zak
Yes, I didn't lose a game for ages. Yeah, didn't lose a job. Didn't lose a game for ages in France. And yes, I think that was couple of season a season or two ago now, but it was a feel-good story.
00:22:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:36
Zak
But yeah, he's also been on the list length as well.
00:22:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll take it. I mean, at this point, I'm um'm willing to accept anyone and give them the chance, right? It can't be worse than this season. So, or maybe it can, but i know I'd like to hope it can.
00:22:51
Zak
that I don't know. There's that's a couple couple of your list people, mate. Sean Dyche, Sam Allardyce, Gary O'Neill. It's just sort of like they are your merry-go-round-round-about managers. I would much rather, i guess, something different.
00:23:03
Zak
Just as long as whatever it is doesn't solidify us into a stubborn style of football that only the 11 players that we consistently pick can play. And just raise their fitness levels, I think, other
Player Fitness and Managerial Impact
00:23:15
Zak
thing I want.
00:23:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
hundred percent
00:23:16
Zak
Is that bad? Is that bad to say out loud?
00:23:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
100%. Yeah.
00:23:18
Zak
But...
00:23:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, we've been moaning about it all season, mate.
00:23:20
Zak
Good.
00:23:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
worry about it.
00:23:20
Zak
Okay, perfect.
00:23:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Michael Carrick next on the list. Currently in Middlesbrough.
00:23:25
Zak
He's done okay at Middlesbrough, but also, again, like, not blown away. He's not managed to make the playoffs with them. It's not like they were going to go. don't know, weren't they quite low down then he helped them out quite a bit?
00:23:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh yeah I would be lying if I told you that I knew.
00:23:41
Zak
Yeah, there we go. I don't know how I'd feel. Slightly indifferent, but it's it's somebody that I'm not really too... I would have to see more to know. you know what mean?
00:23:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Next on the list, getting to towards some of the outsiders here, Julian's 25-1. Julian Stephan, the old Rennes manager.
00:24:02
Zak
Sure.
00:24:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:24:04
Zak
Fine. Okay. Probably not going to happen, so I'm not really that bothered. Next.
00:24:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Also and on the outside of list, Pep Linders, who was in charge of Salzburg. So talking of the Red Bull model.
00:24:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe
00:24:20
Zak
Maybe. never but You never know. Strange things have happened, but again, like it really...
00:24:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
he was the assistant at Liverpool under Klopp for a bit, so has has like Premier League and Red Bull experience. so
00:24:33
Zak
Yeah, somebody that...
00:24:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
maybe that's not as out there you'd sort of think, but it would be a bit left field, wouldn't it?
00:24:39
Zak
Yeah, it's hard.
00:24:40
Zak
Okay.
00:24:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then we get to maybe the two most ridiculous names on the list, apart from the one which I know that before the show you mentioned, which I'd love to finish on. But first at 40 to one as rank outsider, Lee Carsley.
00:24:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
And maybe my favorite entry on the list, one that physically made me laugh out loud the first time I read it.
00:24:58
Zak
Sure.
00:25:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
is at 40-1 to be the next permanent Southampton manager, Russell Martin.
00:25:13
Zak
It's funny. My friend, James Peach, texted me just before this started. And he literally said to me, where was it?
00:25:26
Zak
Question. If the board had sacked the guy replaced Martin for not turning around, is there an argument to bring Martin back and let him do the two to three year rebuild in the championship that he had initially started on? My response to it a minute later was no.
00:25:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
00:25:39
Zak
So it's like a reacting laughing face. I said, was too...
00:25:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
It would be... Right. We've spent most of this episode and and some of the last episode right talking about how it spores chance to take responsibility and lay the game in his image and set his path on it to pick the manager that got fired before he came in would be very funny but deeply upsetting.
00:26:09
Zak
I said, my my response to my friend was he was too stubborn for his own good. Poor recruitment due to our DOF being poached in championship slash his desire to play a specific type of football is why we are where we are.
00:26:20
Zak
Yeah, Juric took the poison chalice and probably thought it was easier said than done. But like, that's my TLDR is I'm like, that would be that would be insane behaviour. And like, we're already being seen as a joke club and tin pot.
00:26:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:32
Zak
We're already laughing. I think that would really push people over the edge.
00:26:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:35
Zak
Or there will be the group that still think that it was a dumb decision to fire him, being like, you know, we know he can get us up in the championship. But I will point out, again, as much as it was lovely to come up through the playoffs, we came up through the playoffs. We were fourth.
00:26:48
Zak
We did not win the championship.
00:26:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:50
Zak
We could have won the championship because we did not sort out our defense. Bringing him back will cause the same problems. It's not going to resolve them.
00:26:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
hundred And then to finish off, Zach, from your list of names, was it Ange Postacoglu?
Speculations and Strategic Timing for New Manager
00:27:06
Zak
yeah yeah Yeah, somebody being like, if if Big Ange goes, we should come in for him. And I'm like, mate, like as much as I think Ange Postacoglu hates Spurs more than most people that hate Spurs, and you can tell that at the moment just due to his interviews, what what on earth would possess a man who has been like running you know arguably one of the more successful English teams to go, do you know what fancy?
00:27:30
Zak
Championship Southampton. Like, to be fair, I'd love every single one of our interviews to start with. Well, now listen, mate, but it's just not going happen. it Like, it would be it would be, it's just not, you don't you don't move from clubs like that to that, right? You don't. Arguably, maybe you could say, you know, a completely out of left field are things like Mourinho, where he was talking about wanting to manage a low league English club at one point.
00:27:55
Zak
you know And he also managed Tottenham. But let's let's face it, like we're not...
00:27:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Would i would i take that? Would I be happy with that? I don't know how I feel about that. us
00:28:04
Zak
I look forward to them, I think, as well. They're not just going to pick a manager now. I wouldn't be surprised if they wait if if they're waiting until the end of the season. here's Here's how I would do it, using logic, data, and being smart.
00:28:17
Zak
You wait until the end of the season, right? You see how Russ gets on. You see what points we land on. You see which players are now playing without a manager that are... that do well you see which players are still planning to be here you then look at the players that we've got going into a championship season you look at where they can play you look at what available budget you have to fill the gaps that you need to fill in and you see which managers are willing to come in and deal with that because the problem is is if we're going to go out and get a new manager tomorrow and we bring them in and they start to put all the assessments together
00:28:52
Zak
We've got about 50% of our squad, if not more, leaving in the summer. It doesn't matter who comes in now. I don't know if there's any manager that's going to come in and speak to any of these players and convince them to stay. When you've been relegated, promoted and relegated again...
00:29:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
also are' not convinced that there's many of the players that we want tim the new manager to have that conversation with, right? We talked about that.
00:29:11
Zak
Correct. Because also what happens if he sweet talks them into saying, yeah I'm going to play amazing gaffer then and then goes out and doesn't do anything for 90 minutes, which has unfortunately been quite a large percent of our squad. Whether it's them putting in 100% effort but being bad, because again, like as far as Jack Stevens is concerned, I don't want to call no one a liar.
00:29:30
Zak
He said they've all put in 100%. If they are putting in 100%, then it just means they're not that great. you know i don't want them to be convinced and curtailed by that situation. And if Spores is taking responsibility for it all, should go from there.
00:29:44
Zak
But yeah, but thats that's my realistic take. But I wouldn't be surprised if they do it. if If he is data analytics focused, they look at a manager that has the most wins, that has you know the best performing and fitness, that could deal with dealing with these sort percent and then go from there.
00:29:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, no, mate.
00:29:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
If we're talking about statistics, mate, going to end up back with Nathan Jones. He was statistically the best manager in Europe, don't forget.
00:30:04
Zak
yeah
00:30:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, anywho, only time will tell.
00:30:10
Zak
i Change that to a analytics from statistics statistics need nothing but analyzing stuff does
00:30:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
LAUGHTER
00:30:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
hey that is just about all we've got time for today though.
Conclusion and Audience Engagement
00:30:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
the summer is going to be vastly interesting one way or another.
00:30:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
and somehow we've got seven games to sit through before then.
00:30:33
Zak
Goodness gracious me, that's going be fun, isn't it?
00:30:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, we will be back tomorrow as we turn our heads towards our next game, meaningful Premier League game. as we have Aston Villa at home at the weekend, let's not forget.
00:30:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
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00:31:08
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