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Episode 184: Danny Röhl - Profile
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Southampton – We look at one of the shortlisted managers - Danny Rohl
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Oscar's Return and Current Events
00:00:08
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Hello and welcome back to the Daily Southampton, part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. I am today joined by our recently quite absent friend, Oscar, who is now back after a busy week of doing actual football stuff in comparison to me and Greg, where we just talk about it.
00:00:27
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How you doing, mate?
00:00:28
Oscar
Yeah, good.
00:00:30
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Good. Good.
Southampton's Premier League Relief
00:00:30
Oscar
Nice to be off the back of not losing and not statistically being the worst team in the Premier League anymore.
00:00:36
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What a fantastic way to come back into everything. And, you know, obviously we've got a lot to talk about. We've got a lot of to, you know, discuss. We've also still got games, which I think that sometimes you can kind of forget in between this because it just feels really weird where we've got not really a lot to play for other than not being the joint worst, which is still important, but but less important
Manager Profiles: Potential Replacements for Ruud van Nistelrooy
00:00:58
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than other stuff. But one of the things I've started to put together as the the more I will sit here and just read articles for hours, kind of one of the group,
00:01:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
is some manager profiles for managers that we've supposed to be linked with. And just kind of have have a discussion about their career so far and where they're at and whether or not we want them and what would actually make them want to come to Saints and all that kind of stuff. So this might be a 20-minute episode and really, really boring, or it will be 45 minutes and out of that extent, you should have turned it into two.
Danny Roel's Coaching Journey
00:01:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Today we'll figure out because today we're doing a profile on potential manager Danny Roll who as of time of recording has also come through as one of the potential replacements for Ruud van Nistelrooy if more slash at this point when they replace him at Leicester.
00:01:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
So yeah very strange. So you excited to learn? I don't know how much do you know how much do you know about Danny Roll other than he played for us and went to Wednesday.
00:01:53
Oscar
Yeah, so obviously he was Ralf's assistant and with us and then went off to Bayern Munich. I haven't followed him that closely since, really.
00:02:03
Oscar
It just seems to me he's he's another advocate of the Gagin pressing, sort of Red Bull style system.
00:02:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
i thought well That's what we'll discuss. so born in 1989, he's soon to be 36 on the 28th of April. So he's still actually quite young. Like we would talk about how Russell Martin was really young, but realistically,
00:02:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
both him and some of our other four like frontrunners, like Will Still. Will Still is younger than me, and that blows my mind, because I've started to realise that not only are football players now younger than me, but but most some managers are, which is really crazy. But he did actually play football for a couple of years.
00:02:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Always in lower leagues, though. He played for, and I'm going to butcher all of these pronunciations, FSV Zwickau, which I think is where he was from, FC Shaisasen2, two That was awful.
00:02:50
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FC Ehlenberg. So he played he had a playing career from about 2007 to 2010 before he retired from playing and went off to obviously do other exciting football things.
00:03:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, couple of the articles I saw. So source and one I was having a look through like a Yorkshire Post article of of when he was first... sort of got the Sheffield Wednesday job. But i thought there was some weird stuff in there, because apparently they just said like straight away, yeah, he was hired as the head of the youth system. And I'm like, that seems wrong. like as your first job outside of playing no he did not he started in the youth system that's correct but he started as a a video analyst uh rb leipzig uh which is interesting it's kind of shows some sort of contrast to uh you know new illustrious football leader spores so but spores that's definitely definitely don't know why i've added a ch in there anywho
00:03:48
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But he he then obviously did well enough to go on to then start actually helping out on the pitch rather than just being an analyst. So he became the assistant manager of the youth team from 2011 to 2013.
00:04:00
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And then he moved on to assist the other under-17s.
Roel's Strategic Influence and Challenges
00:04:04
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It was 2014, though, he broke through as a video analyst for the the first team, but helped multiple managers, including, obviously, now Austrian and former Inter in Manchester United manager, Ralf Regnick, and also, obviously, our previous manager, Ralf Hasenhuhl.
00:04:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, you know, as we know, he was somebody that came across with Hasenhutl. So in 2016, when Hasenhutl joined us, he became Hasenhutl's assistant. joy But left in 2019?
00:04:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
So he he was actually, sorry, only from like 2018 onwards. So like, he actually was only at the club for a period of like eight months. So people start to, people that think about like, oh, he's got this amazing history of the club.
00:04:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
He helped Hasenhutl out for a bit. There was a lot of coloration between, I don't know if you remember this at a time, when he left, everybody was like, oh no, he was the brains behind Hassan Hill.
00:05:02
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And that was going to be like a big problem for us. And I don't know how much merit there is to that. It seems like it's just a lot of people being mad that we got poached again, especially reeling off of the fact that we've had, you know, Pochettino poached, Koeman poached.
00:05:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
We just don't like it when that happens, which is fair. But, He has gone on to have, up until being manager of Sheffield Wednesday, quite a sort of illustrious career, helping you know the current Barcelona manager in multiple parts of his endeavours. So how much credence do you think you give personally, Oscar, to him being the brains behind Hasenhügel?
00:05:39
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Because part of it for me is like, I don't think we dropped into thought massively afterwards. I think what happened is that Hasenhügel had to deal with the realities of us being owned by owners that wouldn't invest anybody into the club.
00:05:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
So i found I find that argument a bit of a weird one.
00:05:53
Oscar
Yeah, I think it was just difficult timing. I think it's difficult changing the dynamic anyway, because I don't think he was ever properly replaced, which seems to be the theme at this club in recent history.
00:06:00
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not
00:06:03
Oscar
So he didn't really have a proper assistant. And, you know, my limited coaching stuff that that can, that, it's really important to have someone to bounce ideas off. And if you've got a good relationship with that person, they can be really, really valuable.
00:06:19
Oscar
And, you know, it it just depends on how the delegation was done. It might be that he was more of the manager in terms of managing the players and, you know, off the pitch and that sort of thing, or, it depends on how much authority was given to Roel.
00:06:32
Oscar
You'd like to think, given that he where he went, that he was highly regarded and highly thought of. So, you know, i imagine it was a loss. And given how far he's come along, i think I think it shows that he has some pedigree, at least or at least a good football understanding.
00:06:49
Oscar
You know, and with Hassan hutl, Again, i think it's a bit of a mixed I think it's a bit of a mixed bag of our supporters, how they feel about him. Because I've seen a few things flying around recently that he's
Coaching Challenges: Experience vs. Youth
00:07:00
Oscar
not on that stable footing at Wolfsburg.
00:07:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Correct. Nice.
00:07:04
Oscar
The question's been raised of whether he he would come back. And you know I don't think going up and dredging up old things is particularly helpful. Don't get me wrong, if if the if the opportunity came around and it was something that they actually pursued, I wouldn't be against it.
00:07:20
Oscar
But, you know, I think sometimes it's just good to move on. But, like I say, I think i think he he was obviously well-valued and well-liked within the club. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone back to him. So...
00:07:32
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Yeah, I think it's it's crazy as well. Like we don't really talk about sort of how young he would have been at that point as well. And sort of, I think that it's going to be difficult when you're a young manager but any job, right? when When you have people that are older than you, who are your employees, that can always be a problem when you establish things like respect and establishing what I say goes. And I think that kind of stuff's difficult. And just to clarify,
00:07:57
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What i meant was he became Hasenhutl's assistant in 2016 at RB Leipzig and joined in 2018 with Southampton before leaving in 2019.
00:08:02
Oscar
Yeah.
00:08:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
I realised I messed up the timeline massively there and it's been bothering me.
00:08:08
Oscar
yeah I think as well with that, you know, the lot of a lot of the sort of battle with new coaches these days is yeah right they're either going down the route of really good player, not much experience, but they get the respect from being an ex-player.
00:08:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
so Correct.
00:08:25
Oscar
So that's just even Gerrard, your Frank Lampard's, you know, and...
00:08:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Jack Wiltshire has just taken charge of Norwich.
00:08:29
Oscar
yeah
00:08:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Jack Wiltshire is now interim charge.
00:08:34
Oscar
deep
00:08:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, a lot and will be playing against Cardiff, so cardiff currently marriage managed by Aaron Ramsey. So but but exactly what you're talking about though, right?
00:08:41
Oscar
Yeah.
00:08:44
Oscar
you could
00:08:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Where you've got you've got amazing players who who just seem to get jobs because they were good players.
00:08:50
Oscar
To be fair, think Wilshire has done hard work.
00:08:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
You did coaching beforehand.
00:08:53
Oscar
been and he's been coaching for a few years and he's been in the youth system. So Wilshere a little bit more, I think more like Frank Lampard and Gerrard and, and, you know, there's a reason that they've had mixed success in their coaching Rooney as well.
00:09:05
Oscar
Like, I'm sure they've been doing it in the past.
00:09:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Really is definitely one.
00:09:10
Oscar
If you go in as, as someone who is not a well-known player, It poses its own challenges, but doesn't necessarily, isn't that much of an issue.
00:09:21
Oscar
I can think of more like top managers that weren't great players than I can think of top managers that were, if you know what I mean. So, you know, Jose Mourinho was not, Jose Mourinho wasn't even a player, I don't believe, not not a professional at least.
00:09:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Great.
00:09:35
Oscar
Jurgen Klopp, I don't think played at particularly eye level. Maybe he played for Mainz is the highest, I think, or the German second division. So, you know, not... this is And this is always the tricky part when you're managing world-class players, especially, I think, in this day, when they've got a bit of an ego as well.
00:09:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:09:53
Oscar
so So, yeah i think I think age can be a factor. And, you know, the other one that's been so's been sort of banded about with us is Will Still. so So same sort of...
00:10:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, he's one I probably will do a profile of, to be fair.
00:10:06
Oscar
yeah Yeah, same but same sort of sort of pedigree, like not a well-known ex-footballer or player particular high level.
00:10:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:10:13
Oscar
I can't pretend to know what level he has played at, if any. but But yeah, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing, I think. I think sometimes you can get a bit too bodied down in you know where their playing history is. If they get the respect of the players, then they're fine by me.
00:10:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Cool. Well, that's sort of the, I guess, earlier history. We'll talk a bit more about recent history and sort of what we'd expect from him being in charge after a word from our partners at Bionic.
00:11:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we're back. So, obviously, as said, we've kind of talked about his early career. I don't want to brush over the fact that he spent a lot of time in Germany under Bayern Munich for a little bit.
00:11:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then, obviously, with Hansi Flick, who's the current manager of Barcelona, that's not like, you know... When you talk about that, kind of that's the kind of people he's been used to being around, right? So Bayern Munich, the German national team, he also helped out as an assistant for a while as well, before obviously joining Sheffield Wednesday as his first solo management appointment.
00:11:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
So according to, let's say, transfermarket.co.uk, which has a lot of useful stats, obviously apparently his preferred formation, like it's a football manager game, 4-2-3-1, which... which
00:12:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
At this day and age, whose isn't?
00:12:08
Oscar
Mm-hmm.
00:12:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Fine to be a team that is a 4-4-2. I would like to see that. His points per match are 1.37 over his 87 games in charge. During that time, and I always find this as a fun stat, is he's used a total of 48 players.
00:12:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, I say that because i always find that interesting with the our youth system and the amount of... like We want to start seeing more than the same 12, 13 players that are played usually, right?
00:12:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
And as's always i always think it's fun to to look at those kind of stats too. Obviously, it's not an indicator of everything. I just think it's kind of interesting.
Southampton's Academy and Financial Stability
00:12:41
Oscar
No, I think it's important for us.
00:12:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
up
00:12:43
Oscar
Like we have to utilize our academy.
00:12:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:12:46
Oscar
There is, you know, it's been one of the most...
00:12:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
No option at this point. Hmm.
00:12:50
Oscar
No, well, not ah not only that, A, it helps the PSR stuff, but also we've got one of the better ones in the country. So, you know, we have to use it we've had enough good players. One, you know, Tyler Dibling gets sold this summer, that funds the academy for another 10 years.
00:13:03
Oscar
Like, I think, yeah, very important.
00:13:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
read So his win ratio sits at 39%. So I don't know how much we really play into these kind of things. We need to bear in mind the team he's got under him.
00:13:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
and But he's got 34 wins, 34 losses, and drawn 19 times. So is is what it is. It depends. Like, you're going to find a manager with an incredible record. You know, if you, when you look at win percentages over the entirety of the expanse of somebody's career, it's a bit different. Obviously where his career is quite short, you can, I guess, examine it a little bit closer. If if you were to compare it to somebody who's been in the game for 20 years, it's,
00:13:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
It is what it is. so But like I think he's done well with a team that hasn't had a lot of investment, where at the moment they're you know they're struggling to pay players, let alone much else. And he's been making some sort of... Not noise about leaving Sheffield Wednesday, but he has definitely shown that he was he is unhappy there, right?
00:14:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
And after a loss to Stoke, where he kind of went off the rails a bit, that that ship was steadied after they beat Middlesbrough recently. But he he literally one of the direct quotes he said is, some players show today that they're not able to play at my level.
00:14:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe it's an eye-opener for the new season. Which you can take in many different ways, right? And I think that he's come out and said that oh, well, I'm human. I just got annoyed. I was cross. I let all of the players know that.
00:14:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Rob Staten, who is from Radio Sheffield, who gave his expert analysis on the BBC, says that he thinks it's indicative of Roel not seeing Wednesday match his level of ambition, which, like, he is a very ambitious manager. Like, again, if you are...
00:14:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
if you are playing with the Bayern Munichs and you are playing with like the German national team and, and whilst you're at Bayern Munich and Leipzig and stuff, there are trophies that have been won whilst he has been at the clubs that he's been at.
00:14:49
Oscar
you
00:14:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
That is going to instill into you a sense of ambition that is higher than i would love to come mid table in the championship for the rest of time. And they must be aware of that.
00:15:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
He is very aware of that. It raises some questions for me personally.
Roel's Coaching Style and Player Relations
00:15:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh But that's where we'll go. But after that post-match interview, he said he had player meetings. he had a lot of meetings with the players. Because obviously like, some of them, but like not too happy to be very basically put on blast. But also, as he also said, I would also tell them that to their face in way to have kind of been like that.
00:15:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
So,
00:15:32
Oscar
I think for me, that's good it's good management. If he'd have done it and everything had imploded and they'd have got battered by Middlesbrough and they'd have lost, and then then then you can sort turn around say it wasn't such a good idea.
00:15:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:15:43
Oscar
But, you know, they've they've turned around, they've won the game against a good opposition, a team they wouldn't be expected to beat. So, you know, i think...
00:15:52
Oscar
I think it's, and it's probably what we need. We need someone that's going to come in with a bit of honesty and say, look, fellas, you're not as good as you think you are. Like, I think some of our players need to hear that.
00:16:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think Juric did that a bit though, right?
00:16:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that's what why he fell out. because i I think it's the way that you deliver that information, right?
00:16:03
Oscar
Yeah.
00:16:07
Oscar
How you...
00:16:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Turning around suddenly saying you are a championship level quality player, not saying, hey, you have the ability to improve, just saying you're rubbish and then not having that.
00:16:15
Oscar
Yeah.
00:16:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know it's It's like I can be told in my job that I'm not doing something well if I'm just told I'm bad at it without any level of room for improvement. That's a different conversation to, look, guys,
00:16:27
Oscar
get I think the conversation has to be, you know, this is what you need to do better. But also, are you, you know, he I don't, to my recollection, I did watch the interview with with Danny Roll.
00:16:38
Oscar
I don't think he named anyone in particular and actually dug him out. And, you know, as Troy Deeney learned pretty quickly, you have to be careful with how you dig people out in public. And I think Juric... again, was honest, but he'd quite happily say what he thought about a player in public.
00:16:52
Oscar
And there's all sorts of nuances behind everything. Everyone's trying to say something to get their own you know agenda across or whatever. And if you start going p going public at individuals, you have to make sure you have to be seriously, you know doing seriously well or seriously secure in your position to be able to actually get away with that.
00:17:11
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Yeah, I think so too.
00:17:13
Oscar
I think with Roel, you know, he knows that's the situation. But again, he's got a reaction out of his players. they've They've won the game, which realistically is a dead rubber for them.
00:17:19
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yeah
00:17:22
Oscar
I think that they're not in danger of going down. They're sort of, fairly as far as I know, i don't I'm pretty sure they're fairly settled where they are.
00:17:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
The championship's quite tight, I'm pretty sure that they have, considering Pompey have now secured their place in the championship.
00:17:32
Oscar
yeah
00:17:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
i'm relatively sure they're above them.
00:17:35
Oscar
Yeah, that's a shame because I would have liked to see... He could have come in on a real wave if he'd have knocked them down. But, you know, he's managed to get a reaction out of them. So I don't think it's a negative too much. I don't think i think he kept his cool pretty well.
00:17:51
Oscar
I think yeah you can't underestimate how much of a shambles it might be going on behind the scenes.
00:17:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, and I think when you're not paying staff, when stuff like that is happening, you know it's going to end up being bad,
00:17:59
Oscar
Thank you, James.
Club Financial Stability and Management Decisions
00:18:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
right?
00:18:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's like with when Salas was at Reading. I felt so bad for him going from sort of, yeah, he was managing a Southampton team going down, but to take that job and then have to struggle through not being paid, players not being played paid, staff not being paid, don't know if you're going to turn up tomorrow and actually have money.
00:18:19
Oscar
Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:21
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Once that kind of stuff starts happening, it becomes, it becomes how are you meant to have a level of ambition when the club isn't even meeting, like, you know, making it them to meet. And that's one of the things where and I know there's been critics of Sports Republic.
00:18:36
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We have been as well. But like, that is one of the things where I'm like, hey guys, at least, at least the club is probably going to exist for the foreseeable.
00:18:45
Oscar
yeah
00:18:46
Oscar
yeah
00:18:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right?
00:18:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, cause you see situations like this and you're like, oh, Alton, another one I've thought of in the past.
00:18:47
Oscar
let's
00:18:49
Oscar
Yeah. The grass isn't always greener. like We're most stable.
00:18:54
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Correct.
00:18:55
Oscar
We have owners that want to do the right thing. Okay. They may not be the most competent at times. They seem to be getting things a bit better recently. They seem to have a bit more of a plan.
00:19:06
Oscar
you know And again, going back to Roe, I think Is it ideal that he said all that in a post-match presser? Probably not. like You don't want to do it off the back of emotion. But as you said, he's a young he's a young manager, extremely young you know by by historic standards. Maybe modern times are getting a bit younger.
00:19:24
Oscar
But at the same time, you're right what you said earlier as well. if we're going If we want tried and tested... we're going down the route of a Sam Anardyce or a Tony Pulis or a Mark, Mark Hughes, or we're going down that route, which is always short term solution. Roy Hodgson, like you can wheel them out again. They'll keep you up maybe, but you're not going build from that.
00:19:44
Oscar
You have to take a gamble and we've gambled on Hassan Hütel. It worked for, to an extent we've gambled on Pochettino. It worked relative unknown. Koeman, relative unknown. It worked like, okay, we've gambled on some recently that have not worked.
00:19:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, that is our that is our problem, but there was a lot of so lot of things changing in that respect.
00:20:01
Oscar
Yeah.
00:20:04
Oscar
Yeah. But, you know, much like with players, we we have to take the risk and hope we get it right at some point with as much homework behind it as possible.
00:20:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
but
00:20:14
Oscar
Or we go down the route of someone experienced, but they either cost a lot more money because they're a lot better and won't want to come to Southampton, or they are, there's a reason that they are not the flavour of the week.
00:20:26
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I will tell you now that the reason that I've set up a lot of these manager profiles is because we either don't know a lot about them or alternatively the ones we do know about, we need to see how relevant it actually is because there isn't there isn't a huge amount of people on our list that want to come in that are well known or well liked is the other problem.
00:20:26
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So,
00:20:46
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Yeah.
00:20:46
Oscar
I do think the, you know, going back to Rusk and Lallana, I'm not saying I would turn around and give them the job off the back of what they've done.
00:20:55
Oscar
And I don't know whether it's more Rusk, more Lallana, but what they have done is they've simplified things. They've made us more solid. And they've, well, they've actually played players in their right positions. That helps.
00:21:06
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two two draws and a loss, mate, is is a much better, much better points return than both of the other managers in the league.
00:21:11
Oscar
Yeah.
00:21:13
Oscar
Yeah. Exactly.
00:21:15
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So...
00:21:16
Oscar
And, you know, and sometimes it goes to show simplification is not necessarily a bad thing. And do we need to go, like, aggressive and complicated? But the German, you know, German football, I think, is quite transferable to English football.
00:21:29
Oscar
So I think that a lot of managers that come over from Germany, I'm not saying all of them because I can't say all of them necessarily, but a lot of them do seem to have good characteristics to transfer across.
00:21:31
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to see...
00:21:40
Oscar
So, you know.
00:21:43
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Okay, well, we'll have a quick break and a word from our partners at Zencastr, and then I want to share with you a weird fun fact and some of my thoughts on potential appointments.
Advertisements and Trivia: Zencastr and Skellum Brown
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After a word, as I said, from our partners at Zencastr.
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It's super easy to start a podcast that sounds great and is delivered efficiently. If you're ready to tell our story, check out the link in the show description to learn more about Zencastr. So we are back and I promised you a fun fact. So, so during my research, one of the things that I found is that the management agency of Danny Roel is Skellum Brown or SBM.
00:22:34
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And also on SBM's books is goalkeeper, Alex McCarthy. It's not really relevant. of It's just a bit coincidental. It was just, as I was looking through all this information, i was like, that's weird. Because I think they have two managers on their books. The role is one of them.
00:22:52
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Another one is a guy I've never heard of. But i was looking through all players. Some of the players, Norwich's Liam Gibbs, who I do know from basically always signing him as a wonder kid or football manager. But again, not that on v that's not based in reality. So I try not to mention of that kind of stuff too much.
00:23:08
Oscar
Well, we disagree.
00:23:08
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How... Yeah, you're right, you're right. so So, yeah, just a bit of a weird thing. So, don't know what my problems my problems are. At the moment, as well, he has quite a few suitors, right? So, Leicester is now one of them in the mix.
00:23:22
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RB Leipzig themselves have also sort of... And if he wants to, it depends whether or not he would want to try and have that punt to get into the Premier League or he'd be quite happy managing in the Bundesliga under a team that he's had experience with previously. Either way, I think that if we think that we're just, if there is a it is a appointment that we definitely want to make,
00:23:44
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I don't think we can rest on our laurels and think we will just win the fight of appointing him because we're a good team coming down into the championship, right?
Roel's Potential Impact and Risks at Southampton
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Because especially now, if Leicester are also suitors, and you also have a pretty well-established team...
00:23:58
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That's a problem. My other issue is obviously like one of the things he quoted saying was that a a big group of players were not able to play style of football at championship level. And it raises, and these are a lot of ifs to get where I'm worried about, right? But this is as a person, worry about a of stuff.
00:24:15
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Don't know that donda how much white you've you figured that about me, Oscar. Quite an anxious guy. Because of that, sometimes I can worry about things that are years in the future, which is both a really good power because it gives me hindsight, but also sometimes that hindsight blinds me.
00:24:29
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And that is that is one of the questions I have here because like if he does get here and he comes and we have a good season and we get promoted... The problem I have with his sort of very much wanting to play his style of football at championship level and he needs to do this kind of stuff is that do we end up just with another Russell Martin situation where we go back up, we have a manager in charge that has a specific way of wanting to play and it doesn't stick and we lose again and we go back down. And then what is already established now as a cycle, which is three managers in a relegation season, is then going to be a thing that happens again.
00:25:01
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That, I guess, is what... my big fear is. The big positive, though, is that he has a lot of things that... has an elite mentality, clearly.
00:25:11
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has ambition, which is something that, obviously, we want and we we want to drive into. There's a lot of crossovers with him and Sporz. Sporz has brought him up in conversation previously.
00:25:22
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Hasn't really brought anybody else out. so And the fact that he's so has so many suitors from other clubs, such as Leicester and RB Leipzig, does only mean he's got a good pedigree for management.
00:25:32
Oscar
Yeah.
00:25:33
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so so So those are my two, that's that's kind of the two internal fights that I'm having.
00:25:37
Oscar
Yeah. I
Challenges of Implementing Styles in the Premier League
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Probably
00:25:37
Oscar
wouldn't...
00:25:38
Oscar
In terms of style of play, I think, you know, if it you're looking at... You are looking at the Red Bull style. You're looking at Ralph Hasner. You're looking at the out-of-possession side of things, which...
00:25:48
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probably what we need.
00:25:50
Oscar
yeah Exactly. But that's... Which I think 100%, that's what we will need going up the Premier League. And then if you change things up after that, then then whatever. But... I think it's very different yeah and that requires very different attributes to what is needed to play what Russell Martin wants to play, which is an in-possession, which again, I'll be for the first to say I raised questions about last year in the Championship saying, it's all very well doing this against Sheffield Wednesday.
00:26:14
Oscar
How on earth are we going to do it against Man City? And lo and behold,
00:26:17
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we We didn't, is the answer to that question.
00:26:18
Oscar
Could it have worked? I'm not saying it can't work. I think it could have worked if we'd had a bit more luck and a bit more of a rub of the green and and things had gone the right way at the beginning.
00:26:29
Oscar
Maybe Russell Martin could have made it work. I don't know. But I think with Danny Roel, probably more what he's talking about is you need the character to be able to do what he wants to do and the willingness to run the hard yards.
00:26:43
Oscar
And, you know, I don't think that is, that is some but isn't something that is ever going to be an issue for fans like saying, well, you know, we don't need someone that wants to work hard. but That's just, and that should be a minimum in football anyway.
00:26:58
Oscar
So if they're not doing that, they'll be at the club.
00:26:59
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like to think.
00:27:00
Oscar
And that's where if he's got a fresh blank page to be able to pretty much do what he wants, which hopefully this summer he will, if we can get rid of players, that's probably more of the issue now, is that we've now got an in-possession built squad and we we're flipping the other way again.
Ownership and Squad Quality Comparison: Southampton vs. Leicester
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Oscar
so But I think there's, you know, a few of them have played under Hassan Hutu before with the out-of-possession stuff. Like, it it doesn't take... It's not as if it's, you know...
00:27:27
Oscar
polar opposite. it It's polar opposite. It's not as if the players are polar opposite. You're either this or that.
00:27:31
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Yeah.
00:27:32
Oscar
So they should be able to adapt. We have some good characters in the group. Yeah, I don't think there's an issue with that. Again, like you said, the issue for me would be the ambition. And in the long term, how, unless we can really build them a big project and sell it as this is you, this is you for whatever happens for the next three years, which probably we have got the edge on Leicester in terms of We were quite loyal to Martin.
00:27:59
Oscar
They got Cooper pretty quickly and I don't know that necessarily that was the right decision.
00:27:59
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Yeah.
00:28:04
Oscar
And their ownership has been questioned quite a lot recently. Ours has been questioned for different reasons in terms of competence.
00:28:08
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To
00:28:11
Oscar
I think there's been questions as to how much they actually want. You know, you look at the two clubs and they're similar size, really.
00:28:14
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own the club, yeah.
00:28:19
Oscar
i think the fact that Spores is there and probably has been front-running to get him would be the the pull for me. Is their squad much better than ours?
00:28:30
Oscar
I don't know. i think after you lose a couple, maybe they've got a bit more individual quality, but how much of that stays when they go down? so And again, are they going to want to pull the trigger on Van Nistelrooy or are they going to give him a chance? you know He's a young up-and-coming manager, supposedly, who quite a lot of our fans wanted. I'm quite glad we never went down that route. but again, that's going down the...
00:28:50
Oscar
the the rabbit hole of experience versus quality of player. I'm fairly sure if he hadn't played football, no one would, he wouldn't be managing where he is right now.
00:28:59
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Correct.
00:29:00
Oscar
So, yeah.
Indecision in Managerial Appointments
00:29:01
Oscar
Yeah.
00:29:01
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Okay.
00:29:01
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Yeah, guess I guess we just have to see how it pans out. As I said, I think we've still got a couple of weeks left, right, of Ruskin and Lala. We don't know what's really going to happen over those few weeks. Originally, I expected us to really kind of maybe get no points, to be honest.
00:29:14
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I was hoping we'd get something. but The fact that in the first two games, they managed to get something. is surprising and hopeful. Admittedly, against a West Ham side that really proved why they were 17th.
00:29:25
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But, you know, take the victories where we can take them, right? And we're coming up against Leicester who are already, like, you know, demoted as well.
00:29:32
Oscar
Yeah. I think there's no there's no guarantees as well.
00:29:33
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We've also...
00:29:35
Oscar
I mean, quite a lot of our fans were we we're like desperate for Graham Potter to come in. It's not worked out that well for West Ham.
00:29:40
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No, it's not. And this is this is the thing, is it's like, where else do you go?
00:29:42
Oscar
So...
00:29:44
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And as I said, I'll have a look at some of the... Do some more research in some of the frontrunners and have these conversations as again about some of the other play other people. But I still think Danny Roe is probably one of the favourites.
00:29:55
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In my head, I just can't get past the fact that everything... i am almost immobilised by indecision from a personal perspective on who I would like to come in because I'm just like... I don't know who makes anything better anymore because, you know, i I'm very much still in the headspace of Martin came in and did that incredibly for the championship.
00:30:14
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And as you said, there were cracks there, but we got to ignore them because we got the highs of promotion. And then I don't know if the highs of promotion were worth the pains of this season. Maybe they are, maybe they weren't. I don't think from a long-term perspective,
00:30:26
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way for the club, it wasn't worth it, but it is what it is. so I'm kind of there, like everyone at the moment has the potential to do really, really well, but I also see in the background the potential of them doing really, really bad.
00:30:38
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So hopefully, as a locked-in pessimist, some of my pessimism will deflate and I can maybe be as excited about you you seem to be as
Episode Conclusion and Future Discussions
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about him. But then again, we've still got five games to go. we don't know what happens.
00:30:51
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Lallana, Rusk do a really, really good job, borges my hand and the, you know, I might just hand it to them. So guess we'll see. But thank very much for joining me, Oscar. It's good to have you back. We'll be back to something to do probably with the game of the weekend against Villeum tomorrow. Maybe it's crossover. Maybe it's preview.
00:31:09
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Maybe it's something completely different. Who knows? I'll need to discuss with Greg and Oscar and co. We'll have come to some sort of consensus about what we're doing. So as always, thank you very much for joining me, Oscar. Appreciate it.
00:31:24
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and going through my weird notes and giving me what I would consider a better perspective than my perspective, which is looking at people as like almost historical figures, as opposed to forgetting he is an actual manager of the place that's in charge now.
00:31:29
Oscar
Yeah.
00:31:38
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So yeah, we will see you all over the social media. Just give us a like, us follow, all that kind of stuff. And we'll be back with you in the next one. Goodbye.