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Season 5- Episode 20- What Did You Learn? (Champions Cup Round 3)
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The latest and greatest from those rugby dopes in America is ready for your listening pleasure. We dive back in to Champions Cup rugby and do the run around the globe to look at the action for the 2nd to last round of pool play. We talk a bit about all 5 red cards (spoiler alert, Premiership doesn't look so good in that department) and how valid a few of them were. Of course, we cover it all from the fun in Paris to the monsoon on the French coast and the shocker in Swansea. All this, so much more, get yourself a drink and join us!
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Introduction and Light-hearted Banter
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It is. The Fantasy Robias. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody gambled that. Collusion. Collusion.
Rugby Weekend Excitement
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Hey everybody, it is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. Welcome back, welcome in. Big weekend is past, big weekend ahead. All the fun stuff going down around here, you know?
Episode Content and Focus Shift
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Lots of shit to talk about. So much that we are actually cutting things off for today, where we're not doing the Six Nations teams yet. We're not like, the signings will get to the exit. There'll be loads of, I fully plan on one of those weeks where there's no prep, but there's just Six Nations. I fully plan on just diving into all the Exodus stuff and all the changes and stuff. Cause there's a lot of them and we can just,
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Hit that, hit that in one episode when we have time and we're not going to make everybody hate us because we go into, you know, we're already going to threaten that today. So no, we're going to, we're going to keep, we're going to keep this as tight as Alicia's we possibly can. Yeah. Your boy is thirsty. So yeah, let's crack those first off.
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Martin Luther King Jr.'s Impact
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As always, there is no discrimination on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
00:02:18
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Couple subjects to hit on. One, we just wanted to mention in honor of the holiday that we just had here in the United States. Martin Luther King died. Dr. King did a lot in very little time. I mean, I can imagine what he would be doing right now if he hadn't been assassinated.
00:02:37
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Let's not forget he was also assassinated while at a not not at a civil rights rally, but at a union rally. They were going to the sanitation workers were going to go on strike. Right. He got murdered for that. So it's not read all of his speeches. They're not just about, you know, social equality. It goes so much deeper than that. We got to work towards that. And speaking of which, go
Controversy Over Pride Jersey
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for it. My fucking fliers.
00:03:04
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Um, you know, I, I thought they would piss me off this year, but I didn't think it would be like this, like their play on the ice. This, in this case, um, Ivan Proverov, their defense, but one of their star defensemen, um, last night they had a pride night, which I fully support the, did your first off the, the, the flyers, pride jerseys look really cool. Um, the rainbow works well with them, uh, their, their symbology. Um,
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But Provarov refuses to wear the pride jersey. It was just for warmups. But he refuses to wear it, so he's not allowed to warm up with the team. And they play him anyway. And he's like, oh, well, it's my religion, and I can't do that. And it's like, dude, come on. It's a team thing.
00:03:53
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It's a good, you know, whether or not you, you know, it's your religion, although he hasn't really shown that being a problem before. Well, he's Russian. As far as yeah, like I think that's more. It's more from that. It is. I would wager at least I'm speculating here, but but I'm a little annoyed because.
00:04:15
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You know, I taught a relish. It was fucking sad. I've been like, OK, you can't wear that jersey. Then you don't play tonight at the very that that's the start of it. And then we'll we'll talk from there. But but that's at least the deal. Like, OK, you don't want to wear the jersey. You can't warm up with a team. Then you don't play. We'll have to find someone who can warm up and play. They have guys who are that like Swisher. Yeah, especially that like the whole you don't warm up so you don't play. That should be a given almost, you know, right?
00:04:40
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It's like, you know, you're you're late for a game. Bye. Bye. Have a seat, buddy. Yeah. Let's talk later. Right. And that's just if you're late for late. Yeah, you'll get on the B side. We'll see you there. But if like you're yeah, this is it goes beyond that. And there's no there's no need for homophobia like that. It just divides us and, you know, showing your ass and, you know, hockey players do that every so often. So does every sport.
00:05:10
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But, you know, I was just hoping that my flight, since they're, you know, I'm, I'm a fan of the team. I would hope that they would handle it better than they did. Yeah, that's pretty, pretty pure. Yeah.
00:05:25
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We'll see what happens though. Philadelphia is a very open-minded town. It will not fly well with the, like they may have to trade him. Like we'll see, but it may become a thing. So I'll be interested to see what happens in the future. Cause it's not going to be something that, that Philadelphians are just going to be like, yeah, that's all right. Yeah. No big deal. Right. Right. That's how you let that shit get away. People get away with that shit too. You know? Yeah, exactly. You don't want that. No.
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Uh, checked out our Patreon site. That's free. And I think that's got loads of information in there that you can find very useful. So especially going into your round four of the champions cup, which would be the final round of pool play, but also trying to make some decisions on who you keep, who you cut, all that good stuff. Yeah. That's those are big decisions coming up. Just looking at my team and I'm like, Oh, I have some thoughts to make. This is going to be, uh,
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Yeah. Grab that. And then obviously we'll, we'll get our sheet out for this, um, the next prem week. That'll be the, that'll be one per week. And then we're going to have time to just chill out for a bit. And cause we're going to talk all six
Postponed Discussions and Match Reviews
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nations. Yeah. So that'll be pretty good. That'll be pretty awesome. So upside to the schedule of being all screwed around is that. So try and find the silver lining in the whole thing.
00:06:59
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Oh, and speaking of other things that we're not talking about, we're not going to get into Eddie Jones tonight. Yeah, no, no, we, we will table that for next week or the week after or whatever. Yeah. The coaching changes in general, like we'll, we'll, yeah, lots of stuff going on, but we'll, we'll talk about it later.
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So if you came here for that, sorry to disappoint you, you can turn it off. Yeah, you can. You can wait till next week. We'll get we'll get you. Anyway, yeah, because there'll be at least list matches what we need to talk about next week. Right.
Team Revamp Post Match
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OK, so let's go to Friday night. Claremont and Lester. John Gibbs got sacked after this match, by the way. Yeah. I think that's not awesome. No, not good, but I mean,
00:07:48
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Lester will do that to you. Yeah, this was certainly considering their form and the permission. This is we've seen it with other teams kind of just coming into this comp and revamping themselves a little bit and giving them themselves their own kick in the ass with this competition in particular. And it's it can help you move on. There's a couple other teams we can talk about that with.
00:08:12
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But clearly, Lester are trying to use this as a springboard to get themselves over the line here and to get them jump started a little bit. Probably, I mean. Successfully, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, they're 3-0 in the comp.
00:08:29
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probably going to go four. No, cause they got next week. Um, Osprey's that might not be as easy as we thought. That's true, but it's not talking about that in a little bit. Yeah, we'll get there. Sorry. Getting ahead. That's all right. No, they're just a quality team and, and they need to get on, you know, a little bit on the front foot and you know, I mean getting Pollard back. Um,
00:08:49
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slightly helpful and firing and firing. You know, he's kind of sputtered here, there and everywhere. So far, he's drawing energy from the nuts. He has stored in his cheeks. Right. I mean, that's, can fit in those cheeks. The best squirrel ever. Um,
00:09:09
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Yeah, he's great. Matt Scott was some kind of like that. That they also went how often have we seen that Matt Scott and Dan Kelly combination? Like a couple times this year, but not much. And so like they're not playing with their they're not going fully loaded.
00:09:29
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Well, I'm sure they wish they had Porter back, no doubt. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, even him. But like, even if that's the crazy thing, he's yeah, he would add even that much more. And then, you know, that Harry Simmons move. What a step. What a step.
00:09:48
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Making two internationals just look silly like props out there. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Real foolish. You know, he's allegedly allegedly he's a scrum half. I'm not sure that. I mean, we may not be anymore, but like I I don't think there's there's no room for him there. Put him on the fucking way. They need him there. So hopefully that maybe maybe that's a thing he can do.
00:10:13
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I thought he played well outside of that too, but that, that was just, uh, okay. You're, that's a, I mean, that's a good, you know, scrum have should be able to have that kind of agility, but not many wings do. Absolutely. Yeah. That was, that's a major, those class. Yeah. That's a big advantage there. Huge, huge, huge, huge. Um, we had in the, I mean,
00:10:40
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I give credit to Charlie Atkinson for trying to just like figure out this fullback thing. And I know this is not his natural position. He had some good moments and a lot of not so great moments. So, you know, this is not something he's done a lot for the Tigers. At least I know he's.
00:10:58
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been played that a similar role for wasps sometimes, but it's still different teams. Sometimes it's just a little bit different and it's clearly it's coming off not well for him. Right. Lester definitely asked different things from their 15 than wasps do. Wasps are more like you're involved in the attack as a runner, whereas
00:11:21
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Lester used them more as a as, you know, like, well, stewards that the bomb squad basically like go down, you know, we're going to put it up in the air, you go get it and kind of leave them a lot more on an island rather than just involve them in the flow. So. Well, yeah, when it didn't go well, it was quite evident that it did not. Mm hmm. Absolutely. The. Not to say that Claremont had bad didn't have moments of their own. As much as we're talking about Lester here, I was just yeah.
00:11:52
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Uh, Charlie Atkinson decided things that were not going to go well for him with him and just decide, you know what? Maybe I just sit the one, this one out. Yeah. Giraffe lose. Giraffe lose. Right. Right. Right. A little bit of a, um, even if you know, he's not throwing it. Oh, I, oh, I totally thought he threw that. I thought I swear I saw the ball leave his hand. I swear. And you know what?
00:12:19
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people will kind of give you a pass on that because they're like, yeah, I would have wanted to see that too. That is a unit right there. Yeah. Was it the business decision? Yeah. Business decision. Indeed. Was it the below try? That was just absolutely nuts that came off eventually. It was just, yeah, it was the one that was being scrambled for it in the tri area. It was like, yes, that's right.
00:12:44
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That's one of those coach nightmares like, oh no, everybody did everything wrong in that situation for our team. Or you, or you got all the luck in the world. If you're on the other side of it, obviously. Well, I mean, it's always a good thing when it's bouncing around in the other teams in goal area. So yeah, much prefer that. Yeah. So you're doing something right at that point and the bounce of the ball, all that shit. Yeah. Ooch, ooch, ooch, ooch leaves Claremont and quite a, uh,
00:13:13
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Quite a predicament. Not awesome. Not awesome if you're not great. And that's disappointing for them. And I'm sure part of the reason that John O'Kibbs has been sacked. Because they're not doing all that great in the top 14. No, they're not. And they would expect to do better in this competition and that and in the top 14 as well there.
00:13:35
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by a fingernail hanging on to a spot, but it's going to be a lot to ask for. I believe it's this. They're going to South Africa. So I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Because they were just that's going to storm. Wait, hold on. Oh, yeah, they were. OK. Yep. Yep, they were. It's not much. I'm not sure. Yep. All right. Let's go to Saturday.
Sale vs. Toulouse Analysis
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We'll start with we'll start up at the AJ Bell, and it was it started well really did look like this is going to be fun for a while, it did, and then this is where you know there's this is where the cutoff is between sale and a great team.
00:14:24
Speaker
They'll have a little bit, but you know, if the other team has the counter to their punches, they don't have, they don't have like a plan B or C. Maybe you have, they maybe have a plan B, but not so much a plan C. And yeah, Toulouse just kind of warmed down. We're like, yeah, we'll just slowly bleed you. Right. And they had.
00:14:44
Speaker
Obviously things weren't great starting off when both your starting props collide heads. It's bad news bears already. Right? Like what? 20 seconds in? And Rod, I wasn't worried about, I was worried about the young kid Harper, that at this level going the distance is not fun. And you're just going to eventually give away silly penalties just because you're tired. Right.
00:15:09
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Rod I was actually not worried about. I knew we could do the job, go in the distance. But things just, they started well and they put themselves in a position to compete for a little while. And then Coase Visa decided, hold my beer. Oh, what a dumbass. First off, also, here's the thing.
00:15:35
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The prem in general, how many red cards do we get in this comp this weekend? Like five? Three. Nope, four. How many? I think all of them were prem players. Well, there were a bunch of reds in total. I think the premiership got four of them. It was this one. It was the Slade got one. And the two in the Exiles game as well.
00:16:03
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As we go through this, I could be proven wrong. Yeah. Well, we'll keep count. We got one here, one for Prem. One here, one for Prem. Yeah. And it was bad. I saw one of the rugby NAWS accounts going, like, you know, well, how does he not, you know, what does he do differently? And it's like, you don't go into the fucking rock. You don't do that.
00:16:24
Speaker
And you know what you know what actually a smart rugby player does at that point? You let him take it. You take him down and you take it back yourself because he's got no fucking support. And you know who gets hurt doing that? Nobody. And you know who looks like a hero? You. You know, doesn't matter. You know, like you that you owe, you didn't hit the rock. Nobody's going to care about that if you win the ball back. Right.
00:16:47
Speaker
You know, it's going to be like, OK, the guy beat you there. How'd you make it? What'd you do once you got beat? And Visa said, oh, I'm just going to fucking lay a shoulder in his head. Yeah. Awful. And yeah, that should be coached better, too. But players have got to start making those decisions. Right. I was a little worried for it to lose its sake when they were going for goal a lot, but I guess that's something that a lot of the top 14s
00:17:14
Speaker
uh, teams have been doing this year. So I was initially a little concerned for them and obviously they eventually opened it up when. That's funny. I thought it was hilarious. When sale where they were tired. Yeah. But the, um, I, you know, and this is me, I thought it was hilarious. I was cracking up the whole time watching it. Um, when every time they would pick for points, because yeah, it's the thing that I hate to do. Um,
00:17:41
Speaker
But at the same time with sale, like they weren't really threatening so much. So now there wasn't much going forward for them. Well, we'll take the thing that I hate about it in general is that you're taking three points, but now you're.
00:17:56
Speaker
putting the ball back in your area, which is dangerous. You know, it's dangerous. The other teams could score pretty, pretty easily if they had their shit together, but I didn't really feel like sale had their shit together. So it's like, that's not, there's, you take the points and there doesn't seem to be a negative about it. And there, there wasn't, there were, there was zero points answered after that, that, um, the end of murder. Right. It was all to, yeah. Toulouse, the heroes were Marshawn and Mayafu Mayafu. I think he had the most meters in the game, something like that.
00:18:26
Speaker
as a second row. Yeah, that's not right. I think, yeah, I think it says me like, yeah, that's, that's, no, something's wrong. Something's off there. Something going on over here. Incorrect. Although there's no, there's no stats. No, there isn't. I, I can look it up later and the F R D at least hasn't thankfully, or at least some version of them. Right. That's why we, that's why I've been going off all that stuff too. Cause they at least have the stats. Yeah, they do.
00:18:57
Speaker
even if they're not as accurate, quote unquote, as others, but they have them up there and they're still sitting there. So anyway, let's go to, let's go over to Gloucester real quick. Change a venue.
Gloucester vs. Leinster Recap
00:19:11
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Not really a lot else has changed. Just. Yeah. And well, and they did put out the first team and got. Humped just as bad spanked. Yeah. But what, what difference did it make? You know,
00:19:27
Speaker
for all the more than Jim Hamilton was doing on the right. All the handwriting about it doesn't doesn't fucking matter. It didn't really matter. Fifty seven points on the road. And then it was a 35 point difference at home. Like, OK. Yep. Seven and a half time. They already had the boss. Like, right. They had the boss point. It took them till the till red clock to get the boss point. But still, yeah. Larmor at four. Alato at eleven. And Gloucester hadn't threatened a whole lot at that point either. Right.
00:19:58
Speaker
No, it was pretty, it was over really fucking early. So back in some getting sent to the bin was less than helpful as well. Right. That's the thing. Like when you're playing a team that's potentially like Lancer, that's potentially going to make the final of this comp cards cannot be a thing that are in your game at all, or you will be put to the sword very quickly. And that much was clear.
00:20:25
Speaker
And, you know, and when they get, and when they get cards, which they got two of them, the Porter card in the first half should have been a moment for Gloucester to say, Ooh, we're in this. Right. And they really didn't know was, yeah, they, they, they got, yeah, Porter got the card and they took 0.0% advantage of it. Right. Like it was the egg. It was the pantry on the card.
00:20:54
Speaker
That's it. Yep. That was it. That doesn't really count. No, no, that's not really like, you got to come back and get more and more. And yeah, you go into that game, you go into half. So you get 10 more points besides the, besides the penalty try 28 17 feels like you're in it.
00:21:15
Speaker
Right. You're not out of it. You have bonus points. You have bonus points on tap. You have all these things that are to play for that you could still hold on to and just cling to for a little bit. Right. And they did. So now I believe they're on the outside looking in. They are. They are. But they're point differentials killing them right now. And it's actually we'll see how it looks. But you got to figure they have a little bit of
00:21:39
Speaker
their own, they control their own destiny, because Harlequins play. Oh, no, they play sell the sharks. And they're at the stoop. Last thing on the other hand, do you have to go to Dublin? That's going to be annoying. So exactly. So that's right. So they're they get they think they probably only need if they can get two points, then that might be enough. Maybe. Yeah. So we'll see the.
00:22:05
Speaker
Unless they will bring the full noise because they want top spot. Right. Exactly. Don't doubt that for a second. Let's go quickly down to Durbin, Selsey sharks and Bordeaux.
00:22:25
Speaker
We saw, I mean, we saw a very good Celsius sharks put out and a pretty bad Bordeaux team put out. So, right. It was never going to go any other way. Right. 3, 2, 3, 22, nothing a half time. Yeah. They took, they kind of took off their foot off the gas and just kind of coasted the second half. So they did. They did.
00:22:47
Speaker
And so it was everywhere a little bit. They lost Bosch right before the match, too, right? They did. So they did this without their their top 10. So a pretty good one, too. So that that was pretty impressive. Yeah, there was there was good stuff. The. That I will say that that sharks pack is. Quite formidable.
00:23:15
Speaker
You have. Yeah, I wouldn't want to play against the only one of those guys that's not like. Super top end is Grubler and he's pretty fucking good and he's good, but I really like the other seven guys I would rate very highly and I would I would be pretty scared going to Durbin in this knockout stage when they're when we're looking at that. And yeah, that could happen in the back line, almost the same with the exception of talk tap away.
00:23:44
Speaker
I'm not excited about that at all. Yeah. Like I, I, I watched him and I was like, wow, you're, you're playing in a team that is crushing and you are somehow still bottling a lot of things. Right. Like they brought Jens van Rensberg on for him. So, um, I think that tells you 50 minutes in, 51 minutes in. So. Right. Kinda. Yeah. He did not have his best day. No, he did not. I would 100% agree with that.
00:24:15
Speaker
Yeah. And they, they have Fosse too now back by the way, it looks like. So there's that, there's that. I'm actually, I think it might say more about Karen Andrews's form that grubble or starting over him or whether, or maybe his health. Cause I would, I still like him better than the grubbler, at least from what I remember seeing of him and.
00:24:42
Speaker
all that stuff. So if I have to pick one over the other, I'm thinking Andrews, but it's working. So whatever, you know, it's hard not to put that name Gerber Gerber and Crowblur. That's a fun fucking name. Ben wants to join the commentary team right now. Exactly. I want to talk about Crowblur all day.
00:25:08
Speaker
Yeah, that puts Bordeaux in pretty much never going to happen territory. No, they're outside shot, but never happened, honestly. And who do they play coming up? They are. They're hosting Gloucester. So that's going to be a that that could be for a spot. We'll find out. Yeah. And it's going to I don't I have to look at. Hold on. I have it. Oh.
00:25:31
Speaker
When do they play this weekend? They are, they're like midday, Saturday. Yeah. So they'll, they won't have enough information to know. Bar the twins game. Well, they'll know what that, what happened there. Um, and we'll know what happened with the twins. Right. But Rossing played right after them.
00:25:55
Speaker
Yep. Or, or at the same time. Yeah. I think along the side of them. Yeah. We'll see. Very interesting. Okay. Let's get one of those, like the players are going to, are going to stick around after the match to see you probably stay in the locker room or stay on the field and watch the jumbotron, whatever it is.
Munster vs. Northampton Discussion
00:26:15
Speaker
Okay. Let's go to Tobin park once you're in Northampton initially.
00:26:25
Speaker
It looked to be same story, different venue for Northampton. Just 24 points, three points for Munster. And that, you know, that was still with Coombs, not Coombs. Adani, you're getting sent off. There's, okay. Second red, only one prem. But it's not for the prem. But it's not for the prem. So still only one.
00:26:55
Speaker
So it's, I went from what I saw and I liked the guy, but it's, they desperately need Sam Mattabasi back because Mikey Heywood was struggling in this match. He really was. And he, they have no one else. Like Robbie Smith's not someone they're going to check on there early because he's just,
00:27:19
Speaker
I mean, sometimes it's all bets are off and you say, fuck it. But for the most part, I understand the decision not to throw the young boy on there quite yet in that situation. Uh, but yeah, Mikey, he would did struggle quite mightily. He did. Yeah. And then that that's true. I do remember thinking he plays playing way too long towards the end there. Um, but yeah, I, what was the halftime score? Um, yeah.
00:27:50
Speaker
I don't know. Like at least they started clicking, you know, an attack. That's the one thing I can say. They made it interesting at the end. It shouldn't have been. I just I want to like this team a lot, and it's hard to. But oh, I did want to say that I thought Lewis Ludlum was a fucking beast. This is this is England worthy, you know, shit. Yeah, he had 18 carries for 83 meters.
00:28:20
Speaker
Fuck, he was busy and 13 tackles. The guy was just, that's an eight right there too. And he's been, I know he had, obviously he hasn't been, um, playing there. He's been playing with seven, but damn, I thought he, that was probably one of his best performances that I can remember. So that, you know, dude would have credit him. Um,
00:28:44
Speaker
Ram didn't, did Ram have a try again? He did. Yeah. He's, he's been, they've been, they've done really well with their Aussies that they brought in saints. Yeah. It seems the three of them have found their footing in, uh, some of the best players. Doesn't look like they're going to, doesn't look like they're going to let go either at this point. And you know, and I guess some of that helps when they're playing against 14, but
00:29:09
Speaker
I mean, we've seen teams bottle, right? Uh, opportunities to play against 14. So we can't just, I don't think we just throw that to the wind and say, eh, no. So it didn't stop. It didn't seem to stop, uh, um, monster from scoring. Anyway, they got, um, what Coombs went over afterwards and they got that, uh, you know, penalty of the 75th minute, like they, they, they were still able to amount a little bit of an attack afterwards. So, um,
00:29:40
Speaker
Certainly made it easier on the Saints defense though. Yeah. How good is Gavin Coombs? They have. Ireland have another good back row. Is there, are they the deepest back row of any nation? They're up there, that's for sure. Like I'm trying to figure out who might have a deeper back row. And even, I think England have a deep back row if they actually chose to use the right players. And I think they're starting to move in that direction, but. Right.
00:30:20
Speaker
You know, aside from Josh Vanderfleer, who is the best of them, like, you know, how do you choose between Coombs? Or, you know, the Leinster pet, the guys, and there's so many different, like, they're all stacked. All of the fucking provinces are stacked with, with Lucy's. It's obscene. Yeah. And you still have the likes of Nick Timoni over at Ulster. Yeah. You have, uh, Pendergast, Econic, like, yeah.
00:30:41
Speaker
They're just so good all the fuck around.
00:30:48
Speaker
There's a lot to love about the background depth for Aaron at the moment. Sounds ambitious. Boiled for choice, no question. Right. Yeah. And if Donahue could stop being stupid for five minutes, he'd be good too. He'd be up there too. Yeah. He just keeps making dumb decisions. Right. What are you going to do? Yeah. So, and one little, one final note for saints. I
00:31:16
Speaker
Ben Smith being in this environment, being in this type of game, that does a world for his
Northampton's Performance Highlights
00:31:21
Speaker
development. I thought he stood up pretty well to it, too. So I think that's credit to him and speaks well of what's to come for the environment. Certainly. I think the dropping bigger and whatnot, bringing him in, I think, was going to be positive for them in the future.
00:31:41
Speaker
Mm hmm. And perhaps even the present because he's been it's different and they weren't they don't seem to be going anywhere this year. Well, let's see what do they even have a shot or they know they're they're eliminated. They're done. Yeah. So they're done here. Right. It wasn't going to go much better than this. They're kind of done for this year. So the best they can do is start working for the future. And and Finn Smith is hell of a future. Yes, he really is. And
00:32:12
Speaker
You know, this is only going to do him good. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm excited about that for, for, for him and his opportunities. Let's go down to Loftus Versveld, Foles and Exeter.
Exeter vs. Bulls Struggle
00:32:28
Speaker
Let's be clear before we get into like the slide red card. Exeter, we're not wanting this game from the word. No, the way they were playing that way before this happened, way before right now, I'll pull this hammy. This was all going sideways. Like this was all going sideways for Exeter. Don't question it. They got the two they did at the end to show a little bit of grip. Right.
00:32:50
Speaker
They got the NR one at the desk. I mean, the bulls at that point were like, we don't have any, go ahead, have a bonus point. Like we're not go whatever. They were not, they were not, you know, bought up. We, you know, trying to knock them back, try to keep them out of there. They didn't care at that point. No, no, they're going to see.
00:33:12
Speaker
Yeah, they're going to see the likes of Art and Similana in their sleep. Just nightmares about those two. Similana was fucking... Yeah, he was good. He was all over the place with them. Right. And just...
00:33:31
Speaker
We knew, so we kind of knew a little bit about Vince Dodden when he had his brief spell with Lester. And there was a lot of people from South Africa will speak, you know, high praise of him, but the dude is just a huge pain in the ass around the park and pairing him with cars. Really, really bad news for a lot of teams. Yeah. And cars are just turning back the clock and playing.
00:33:57
Speaker
I like it like you had before I and then you know what? I don't remember him playing like this before. I don't remember a time where he played this well for this extended period of time. And I'm very impressed. I mean, I'm sure you do. I was it was before my time paying attention to the Prem. I'm absolutely certain it exists because the way you talk about it and I'm like, OK, he's a wonderful player. Yeah, wonderful player.
00:34:22
Speaker
Definitely see it here. You know, you see it here and you starting to enjoy life a little bit more at wasp before things went sideways over there, but a little bit, but it wasn't, it wasn't not, it was nothing like this. Right. Right. Yeah. The, the back line just had its way for, for the bulls though. It really did. Um,
00:34:38
Speaker
I like the variation the Bulls had on the penalty taps too, like not just tapping and carrier. They'll tap and see if you can get away from the big bodies with one of your own big bodies. Yeah, exactly. Everybody's looking for the tap and the run. So yeah, move it. The people who are away from it, all their thinking is, okay, if I get back to the 10,
00:35:08
Speaker
That's all, you know, whatever there'll be a line out kick or I'll, you know, I'll, I'll be seeing them run. They won't be running at me. And wait, no, they're running at me. I need new shorts. Yeah. I thought, um, before he had to come off for his hand, I thought right now it was actually really good at keeping the match moving. He was, I thought this, this was, uh, he referred an excellent match while he was on. Right.
00:35:37
Speaker
So yeah, we definitely want to give him credit. We give French referees a lot of deserved shit. So when they do a good job, and when anybody we give shit does a good job, let them know. So yeah, he did a, he referred a fantastic match. And I will also say this about the red card. I liked the way it went down overall. I think that should have been a red card. I know that the initial point of contact was like top of the ball.
00:36:06
Speaker
And then he slid up, but it was a swing, your arm and reckless. So it's one of those, like the initial contact wasn't the head, but he's swinging an arm and he took the, he took the chance and he caught the head. And then he followed through like as a, as a former player, you, you kind of know when to like, you're, you're doing something that you shouldn't, you know, that this is, you know,
00:36:31
Speaker
Kind of going into foul play territory, so let your arm go limp and let him fall back. Yeah, you pull up a little bit, yep. He didn't do that. He followed through. And I'm okay with that being a red card. And yes, he got it adjudicated away. That's the perfect. He sat out for 26 minutes of that match. He was not allowed back on. Fine. That's enough punishment for that. I like that. That's how it should go. Yeah, it's...
00:36:57
Speaker
I think the key point you had in there was the word reckless and that being the big one for me, like, don't go in like a complete fucking buffoon. Yeah. Because he's not a complete fucking buffoon. No, he's not. He's an international player. You know, so when you do something like that, it's like, you know better than this. Why the hell did you do that? You dumb shit. Yeah. So probably a little hard done in the end, but I.
00:37:25
Speaker
It didn't affect the outcome. Honestly, and I think the thing that most people were worried about was, would this affect him for six nations? And it sounds like it hasn't. So there you go, kids. Yeah. And that's not to say I thought it would be a red, but by the standard, generally that's yellow, but
00:37:43
Speaker
Uh, there are, you know, very dark yellow or very light red. I thought it was a very light red and I'm okay with, you know, I'm okay with it. That's where I'm going with it. I'm not like, yeah, this is right. It was, that's a perfectly fine way to handle it. And certainly better. He did not deserve to get banned. That would be silly. Yeah. I think that would have been a little harsh in the end. A yellow leaning red. Yeah. That's, that's fine. Yeah. It resulted in what did. And again,
00:38:09
Speaker
Bulls were running this match with the bonus point. And look at, and look, look, the Exeter even got a fricking bonus point out of it too. So just all things are fine. Right. And Exeter, um, let's see this Exeter are their food recorders. And they got through because of the result for our game. Oh, huh. And then, um, Bulls have, oh, they go, they travel to the Lionel. Yes. Which.
00:38:41
Speaker
Should be interesting. Very interesting to see how that goes. Very, very interesting. It's very interesting. Yeah. Again, we won't spend too much time on La Rochelle and Ulster. I think the one, one of the more painful things for me to watch was the number of scum resets that Amish and Kelly was calling for that weren't necessary.
La Rochelle vs. Ulster Final Moments
00:39:09
Speaker
Yeah, you know, balls at the back. Yeah, it's going down. Play, play it, play it, especially in this bullshit. Like, right. Fucking play it in. It's zero zero. Yeah. Stop. Let them play. Like, let them try to give them a fucking. Yeah. Mm hmm. I at some point you got to just be like, we got to play some rugby. Right. And. No, I don't think the ref really helped with that either. No, he wasn't. He wasn't into that, apparently.
00:39:38
Speaker
No rugby played for you. The biggest moments that weren't, you know, the kicks missed, we had, you know, there was, I thought they, I thought we'll just, we'll just fast forward to the end because there's no other point in talking about anything else really.
00:40:00
Speaker
asked always 50 to 22. And I thought, Oh, that is just a perfect kick. And they bottled it. And I was like, Oh, fuck. And that was that should have been that should have been the end. Right. If you're Ulster. And frickin Ward gives away a really dumb penalty.
00:40:16
Speaker
while the referee's talking to him pretty much the entire time he's trying to do it. And even, even best, he's just like, get out of bed. Yeah. Yeah. Like Warwick just like decides, yeah, I'm going to try and take this ball while I'm on my knees. I'm like, you dummy. Like the referee's telling you to leave it alone and you're still putting your hands on it. Like all you gotta do is just pull your hands away and let it be. And he will probably let it go now.
00:40:41
Speaker
Now it's like, uh, and yeah. And the resilience of what we're talking about the defending champions in this competition. And they played like it in those final two minutes when they needed the most. Right. Cause this would have been a, uh, pants loss for them. Like that's one of those, you're going to need a moment to recover type losses. Um,
00:41:07
Speaker
And yeah, so to be like, no, we're not going to suffer that. We're going to, we're going to win this game guys. Gonna win this game. And then they did. So yeah, that's, that's what you got to do to be champion. Yeah. And then they know what it takes. Yeah. The, the, the group of this, this, this group knows exactly what it takes. So I grant a lot of our shell for not going away ever. Right. Doolan, Audrey, both I thought were brilliant for them. Mm-hmm.
00:41:37
Speaker
And those are those are the guys that have already been there, done that. So they know what's up. Right. And Teddy Thomas had his annual. I don't give a fuck. Big time. Yeah. Big time. You got pulled up. You got pulled early. Right at heft. Right. Yeah. Forty one minutes in. Yeah. There you go. There you go. There you go. It's like this is my, you know, Teddy, this is why people. This is why they don't pick you sometimes, dude. Right. Agreed. They need you to be, you know, this should not have been
00:42:07
Speaker
Yeah. They, somebody should have scored while you're on. That's your job is to make sure somebody scores and preferably you, but somebody has to score. Absolutely. Let's go up to Barnet, Stornak City, I'm series in Leon. And it was the Elliott daily show for like 40 minutes. Yeah, right. Um, he was good and the team was good, but
00:42:36
Speaker
They just couldn't, they had no answer for, no, or anybody really. They, like, the Leon could not, I mean, fuck one, two, three, four, five, six, six first half tries. They gave up six. Yeah. Like, I don't care that you scored to yourself, like.
00:42:55
Speaker
Saris had, you know, right up until, you know, just right at halftime, the Saris had one fewer try than you had points. So it's like that they win this game. But second half, I'm more pissed about the second half, though, because they they should never have come back to anything approaching squeaky bomb time. And. They just went into a shell and just allowed
00:43:25
Speaker
Leon to just chip away at it and come back and come back. And it's like, stop, stop letting them like start attacking. Do like, you know, you can score tries. You could score try at will in the first half. You just, you know, is that we'll take one phase and then kick it away. We'll take one phase and kick it away and be like, all right, we'll take the possession and score a try. Fun. Like don't.
00:43:48
Speaker
Yeah, that's why, you know, Mark McCall, it's one of those, they didn't just take the foot off the gas, they applied the brake hard. A little bit. And you can't do that. So hopefully McCall, this is a good lesson for McCall, just stop doing that. Bad things happen when you call that play, stop doing it. Yeah, don't do that no more.
00:44:11
Speaker
Yeah, although, you know, we're seeing definitely that that Ela Davies is who we thought he was. No, this isn't like Ivan Van Zell has been a blessing this year. Davies has been. The city was last year. Bleh. Yeah. Yeah. In the in the realm of subs, I was particularly annoyed with a few things.
00:44:36
Speaker
It's his first sequence. I thought Marr should have come off right away. Yeah, because he was already kind of... He was not 100% already and we had already burned that sub. I was like, damn it, that was stupid. Especially when the score is as lopsided as it was. And Manu didn't get any minutes like, aren't we trying to develop this kid? Did I miss that part? I didn't even notice that he didn't come on. I was already so like... I was annoyed.
00:45:05
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't realize. Where's my idea? Where's mine? I'm just so not used to him being on the bench that I forgot that he was there. Yeah. These would have been valuable minutes for him, I believe. Yeah, I agree. And. Yeah. Didn't like it, especially because, yeah, you're right. Like if you're going to arrest your guys, like you took off daily early, like reasonably early, 68 minutes. I don't know why you'd pull him anyway, but
00:45:37
Speaker
Yeah, Dave, the guys I pulled, I pulled him. Benzel Tizard came off early. Mako came off really early. He wasn't strong. I thought he was doing all right. I would like to see would have like to see more of him because he hasn't played much with them this year. Right. Yeah, I. General had another cracker of a game because he's just there's a shock.
00:46:04
Speaker
On this side, I thought Fletcher Smith actually played kind of decently. I mean, it's not his fault. They were they weren't coming through his chance. Oh, you know, an asshole. So and I thought he played well, you know, guiding the Leon attack. So I wanted to make sure that that got a shout. Yeah. Dormer to your kids. Pretty good, too. He's evil. Yeah. We might see him wear blue soon. Right. Just a little bit.
00:46:38
Speaker
We're going to be in an excellent spot. So saris are they're through the three and now they're they're really at this point fighting for rankings. One of the top spots right now. Right. Yeah, I'm likely to see. Yeah, personally, they might pass the selsey sharks. They're not going to start a hundred twenty four point difference right now. I know. At this point, I'm just I'm just rousing it like a rousing in a quince man to hope.
00:47:00
Speaker
but series are still in good spot, so.
00:47:06
Speaker
Yeah. And hopefully we get the job done because we have the last game this weekend, too. So. Right. That'll be that. And we all still have an outside shot. Again, you know, depending on how everything else breaks down there, there are only two points out of it.
Osprey's Strategy Against Montpellier
00:47:24
Speaker
And they play the tolls at home of the bulls at home. That's going to be tough. See how they do. Yeah. How about we go to Swansea?
00:47:36
Speaker
Osprey's and Montpelier. Fucking match this was. Right. I was like, oh my, this, this. Everyone had this pegged as the match of the week, right? With the Osprey's winning. Yeah. Right. Well, I mean, geez, right up there with the, with the last one of the weekend. Uh-huh. Unfortunately, we had to deal with Dickskin again. Oh, he was terrible too. He's so bad. Yeah. He needs, he needs a week off. He does. He really does. He just needs a week off and somebody just talk to him and be like, dude, stop sucking.
00:48:07
Speaker
Four. Oh, go ahead. Do we miss any red cards? I thought we might have missed one. Nope. We're still on three and two, three and one. Three and two. Yeah, three and two. Okay. Yeah. Slade and Visa. Right. So for the Osprey's,
00:48:31
Speaker
You know, they did very well with ball in hand and looked extremely comfortable opening it up. It has to be said, and we talked about Lester using this competition as a way to springboard themselves forward a little bit and try and get themselves back on track. Since they beat Montpellier in France,
00:48:51
Speaker
I suppose we've been playing pretty well. And this is pretty much the, the, the, the point of it right here. This is the whole, this is like the icing on the cake for them at this point. Uh, and they're going to have a, they're going to have a damn good shot at getting into the knockouts. No, you gotta give them credit for that stuff. I thought Kai Evans played so well for them. And that's not just off the tee. I thought as a fullback in general, I thought he played very, very well. I agree.
00:49:19
Speaker
So it made a lot of people look real, real good out there. No doubt. Oh man. The booty hit unreached web though. Oh, that is. Crunch in the most legal sense. Yeah. Oh, ow. I heard watching that one. I was like, Oh, that hurt me. Yeah.
00:49:46
Speaker
Took my breath away. Yuck. Yuck. Yeah. Like, I think I will never do that again. Right. I think I was even like, Jess, Jess, you got to watch this replay. Watch this. It's going to fucking crush it. And it's like, yeah, fully legal. Like, you love to see it. Like, that's. That's what we want to see. Right. I mean, you know, that's a tough hurts, but yeah.
00:50:13
Speaker
That is nothing, nothing wrong with it. Nope. Nope. That's, that's textbook right there. As well as we talked about like,
00:50:23
Speaker
Fletcher Smith playing and Owen Williams played pretty well in this game. Louis Carbonet was pretty bad for Montpellier, especially off the tee. Cost his team. Yeah. The tee issues in general, because they put the young kid on the tee after a while, but even he missed one or two. Yeah, I mean, they only make two conversions, so that's it. Yeah, not awesome. Not awesome at all. Not awesome in any way, shape, or form. And that's the kind of thing, you know, you let the other team back in it,
00:50:54
Speaker
It was, you know, it was 13, 10 and a half. It was 13, 10 and a half, but then was it Montelier scored 47 minutes, 60 minutes before? Well, I guess, there was a penalty at 43, but still, it's like you let up two tries to start the other half without really responding other than the penalty. It's not looking good, but at the same time, if it's only 10 points and not 14,
00:51:20
Speaker
Mm hmm. That's something you're willing to. Although, no, it was. It was. Oh, no, they made both of those. Sorry. I'm going to ask. Those are the two. Those are the two penalties they did make. So the two conversions they did. But the but the but then they had the right next try, which was, you know, came at a great time. It did. And for the lead, they couldn't convert it. Right. Which is huge. Yeah, there's that puts pressure on on the ospreys, too. And, you know,
00:51:50
Speaker
And how awesome was it to see, and this is why I advocate for this strategy, they got the penalty with what, four minutes to go, three minutes to go or so. And rather than take the points, they went for the corner and it paid off, right? They said, oh, we're just gonna at least spend more time down here.
00:52:15
Speaker
Cause like you knew Montpellier had to score a try cause they couldn't, they weren't taking a fucking penalty to win it. That's not happening. Um, so it's like, what's the worst thing that happens is that they, you know, they get the possession and they have to work their way all the way down the field with like two minutes left. Yeah. I backed myself too. And, uh, and the best thing that happened is what happened. They scored a try and they did game over my bone to pick with Montpellier is why don't you compete at that line out? Right. You need that ball back.
00:52:44
Speaker
You don't want these guys.
00:52:47
Speaker
from Osprey's to kill more time. Cause that's all they were, all they were going to do was try and kill more time. And they ended up scoring a try instead, which was arguably worse. So what the hell? Like who made that decision? And now, and come here, I want to slap you in the face. Yeah. Get that ball back. Right. Like I understand they're about to set up for them all. You run that risk. Guess what happened? They still fucking scored a try. So it didn't really matter what you did other than what you did. You know, that's the other thing. That's the other thing is if you,
00:53:15
Speaker
If you decide to not compete, you have to just, you have to play defense. You have to not, you have to keep them out. And so they didn't do either, right? Like, great fucking work. And in that situation, I definitely advocate for, you don't want to even give them the chance to just sit there and eat your clock and wear you down and then give away a silly penalty or the try. Neither one of those things was great.
00:53:44
Speaker
And they screwed them both up. So great toss race. Those are great to them. Awesome. Really well done. Tip's heard us talking. What's that? Oh, yeah, he did. What hustle on that try. Fucking hell. Some kind of okay, huh? That's a motor right there. Right.
00:54:05
Speaker
Whether or not you still are national might be so be up in the air. I guess I think you've made the squad, didn't they? I think so, yeah. Whether or not you belong in the back row might still remain to be seen, but shit, that was a hell of a lot of hustle. It was. You've got to admire that at least. And so Osprey's are fifth right now. They are traveling away to... Lester. Oh, Lester. That's right. We talked about that.
00:54:31
Speaker
And yeah, we'll see how that that works out. That's our hosting lemon Irish. Oh, so OK, so I'm up earlier. So really, they have to worry about Claremont. But they're they're in our anyway, it's really I don't know, they sail the only team that can catch them is sail, knock them out. So really, if and also are playing for something to still and right.
00:54:57
Speaker
They're both playing for something. And then, yeah, I suppose I think of a decent shot. You know, if they get one point and I think they have, you know, if they look, if they attack like that. They can get a bonus point, right? So that could be. Yeah, see. Let's go to Cast and Edinburgh.
Edinburgh's Victory Over Cast
00:55:23
Speaker
You know, everything looked like casts were going to finally actually do something worth a damn in this comp. And then it's gone. They just, yeah, they let it go. They had this nice pretty looking thing over here and they squished, you know, they had this pretty bunny over here and they just broke its neck. Like, come on, what are you doing? They had Lanny to... Yup.
00:55:50
Speaker
I granted Edinburgh helped them out quite a bit with cards, certainly in the net first, what, 25 minutes? I think it was that they, uh, because it was King Horn head that had, um, the, the yellow at 13 and then cherry went off at right before halftime. 37. Okay. All right. So 20 was in my head somewhere. I was about 24 minutes between them. Yeah. But that's still, it's not good. Yeah. No. Right.
00:56:19
Speaker
Oh, and they scored a couple of really nice looking tries. The cigarette one was really nice. I was like, oh, all right, that looks shit. That looks like rugby. Well done. Yeah, exactly. I was about to say, it looks like rugby. Amazing things happen when you don't have Roy Cockett in your fucking team. Indeed. But Edinburgh, I thought, also just kind of just kept with it. They maintain their consistency in, you know, what, 14 points first half, 20 points second. It's not bad.
00:56:46
Speaker
Um, yeah, they, they believe that they were better than this team the whole time than they, than they kept at it. Like you said, so it's, it still got a few things to address if I was them, but mostly good stuff.
00:57:03
Speaker
I mean, that Velikot try. He's he looks so good. Yeah, he's. I like him a lot still. Right. Do have liked him for a while. But I don't get to see him nearly as much as we used to. And who was he? Who do you used to play with? Was it? No. Loster. Loster. Now you made this because obviously he's he's been capped by Scotland. So right.
00:57:27
Speaker
Um, that was a, that was a big thing there. Right. But I haven't seen him in a bit. So, uh, good to see him back and playing pretty, pretty well. Right. The, um, man, as soon as I was, well, I was watching who was the poor fucker from cast that that went down. Love. Oh, I was like, I was like, nobody touched him. That's an NCI. I knew he was in trouble. I was like, Oh shit. Oh bother. That's pretty awful.
00:57:56
Speaker
Another bad injury this weekend I can't remember who were which one it was in but well there was, and then there was same team.
00:58:07
Speaker
Bernie, I think it was, he went in a rock kind of haphazardly and really not dissimilar to what Covis visa did, except he hurt himself. Yeah. And I was like, dude, that's why you can't go in those ways. Like, right. You got to be smart about the way you attack these things like that. He was a dead rock, too. There was almost no point in doing it. There was absolutely no point to it. And he fucking.
00:58:30
Speaker
He broke himself. Knocked himself goofy. He was clearly limp. I was like, okay, so what did you learn?
00:58:49
Speaker
I'll trade you, I'll trade you your bat for this ball. He caught a foul ball, he trades him, beats the shit out of him with the bat, takes the ball back. Did you learn? Yeah, I love family guy.
00:59:07
Speaker
Anyway, but yes, Edinburgh, we knew they were going to be a tough old team to the way they are, the way they played series, the first game around. So it'll be interesting going into this final weekend. They're qualified. They're through. Yeah. So they're now playing for potentially hosting as well. Right. So exit or bottle it. So yeah, they're the eggs are playing cast down in Devon though. So yeah, that's like, okay.
00:59:37
Speaker
They got to win. Um, Edinburgh will know the result already cause it's the last, where the last match of the weekend. Okay. Oh no, it's Harris. Okay. No, that's right. Nope. Edinburgh gonna. All right. No. Edinburgh, you stay where you stay, where you are and you like it. They could be true. You know what? They might as well just stick around. They might end up playing, being, uh, being a six seat if the bulls win. Um, yeah, but they're not, they're not going to, um,
01:00:05
Speaker
They're not going to. They're going to swap. They'll be swapped. Right. No, I'm just saying that if they end up as the correct seed, they could might as well just stay in London because you're going to play series next week. Or no, it's I guess that you're not that far away. No. Well, it'll be the NBA. Oh, because their series are in the stuff right now. We play right now. We play monster, which I'm not really excited about.
01:00:33
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. But it could work out that Edinburgh come back to the Stonex. That'll be down the road, probably. Anyway, let's go to London. Go to the GTEC over to Brentford. At what point? So maybe the question needs to be asked at this point because they've just not been great, the exiles.
01:01:01
Speaker
When do Les Kiss and Declan Kidney get asked the questions about, you know, are they going to stick around? Are they going to be able to stick around? Yeah. Because this is one of those ones where. It's not looking good. I don't think it's you're not ashamed, but you just maybe a little just embarrassed that you're the coach of this team. Yeah. To a point. Two red cards, like. Right. What are you doing? Like it loaders was kind of.
01:01:31
Speaker
Bang, bang, what are you gonna do? And it's the right card, it's how it is. But what was the dumb one? Parker. Parker, what are you doing? What are you doing? That's a coach killer right there. Yeah. That is a coach killer. Like you dumb, dumb fuck. And he didn't, he had, I think he had just come on. He just came on. You just came on. You big stupid, like, ugh. And you don't play ever anyway. Cause you're like the fourth,
01:02:00
Speaker
Uh, tight head, right. You get a chance to play and this is what you do with it. Right. Bye. Right. That's not a, that's not a coach killer anywhere near as much as it is a career killer. You're going to, you're going to be well before you see playing time during any real match. Right. Not good. So yeah, now we're up to five and four. Fuck.
01:02:28
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's I think that's the end of them. But still bad, bad, bad, bad. Yeah, I mean, we got sent off and stormers just took control. They were already kind of in control anyway, but. They just realized like, oh, yeah, we're going to go for the get put the foot on the gas and just went right. They put the they didn't even kick a penalty. No, no, because they had they had the pen drive from Gonzalez.
01:02:57
Speaker
Right. Already. And then Logan got read or read it. But then after that, it was all bets are off. Nell went over. Hartzenberg went over. Nell. Oh, what was it? They shared that tweet about a fan.
01:03:17
Speaker
It was good taking a selfie with him and he offered to hold the phone and take it himself. And the fans like, no, you'll just drop. Yep. She really tried to play that. He didn't. And I was like, you dropped it. You dropped it. I was wondering when I saw it go down, I was like, they dropped it. He did. I was like, oh, they're checking this. That's not good. Never a good sign.
01:03:48
Speaker
Yeah, an easy one, then you have to lay up and you've totally filed it. Totally hogged it. Just a bit. Just a bit. All right, let's go to Paris. Oh, last one.
01:04:05
Speaker
OK, a lot of defaults. Yeah, I thought you were you're asking me to a loop or something. No, no, no. Oh, you didn't hear it. If I haven't done that yet, my. At this point, I think both our wives just assume that it was going to happen. It would already happen. Yeah, they'll be back. Especially like, especially when we went to another country on our own, like.
01:04:33
Speaker
Yeah, we've already done that, I guess, huh? All right, fine. All right, let's go to the run. It didn't happen that it's probably never going to, to be honest with ourselves. Yeah, let's go to Paris. Rossing and Quinn's, like, in a loss, Marcus Smith, take a bow. Seriously. What a, what a, what a good player he is. Yeah. Showing his qualities, his haters, true international quality, like, yeah.
01:05:04
Speaker
Certainly. Unquestionably. I will take that. Unquestionably. I was disappointed with how Quinn started. I was really excited to see Levis come back, obviously. And with him, Dom Brant, Evans, and Marcus, I was just really looking forward to that being a, you know, clicking it obviously took a little bit, but.
01:05:31
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, guy hasn't played for a hot minute or two or three. So, right. It was always going to be tough. And, um, Aaron Morris, like, I don't know what the fuck that was. I, uh, yeah, no, not a clue. Um, you didn't, you did not have a.
01:06:00
Speaker
fun day. No, I can say that. And then it ended. He got the yellow and then never saw the field again because he just got sucked off when it was his time. It came on for him, which was the right call because he was probably needed to be done. Yeah. Yeah, it needed to be done. Yeah. Yeah, it took twins the whole half, the whole half to really get going. They had the one penalty about midway through the first half and that was it. And it just looked like it was going to be
01:06:27
Speaker
another one of those days at La Defiance for Rossing and Quinn said, no, no, we're good. We're here. We're going to hang around. We're going to, we're going to cause some trouble. And Rossing really just kind of gave him a lot of the opportunity. We had tough, vanilla Bennerus and Russell all carded at once, which was pretty nuts to think about. And they didn't get, they didn't score off except for the, uh,
01:06:56
Speaker
The penalty try. So really, if you want to wonder why the twins lost, you can just point to those 10 minutes. Right. And say, even with tough, new and, um, centers in the, in the bin.
01:07:14
Speaker
You should have been able to find another try. And I understand the penalty try kind of came from that situation, but it did. But you had all sorts of momentum and then you think that's something you build on that that can't be your last score of the game. Like, it doesn't matter what the score is. Really, at that point, that can't be your last score that, you know, you got five minutes left and you've just got the other team on the ropes. Yep. Like that. And that's the that's the difference really between this year's Quinn's and previous years.
01:07:45
Speaker
is that last year, certainly the year before, they win this game. They may have scored two more tries. This may have been a 40 to 30 game kind of thing. It's just a different team right now.
01:08:04
Speaker
It is healthy. So we'll see what that brings. Right. Let's not, you know, I'm not trying to discount that, but they're just not, they still have to deal with. Yeah. He was injured. Like that's the thing that you can't bank on.
01:08:20
Speaker
Yeah, anytime the sentence starts with we would have but we didn't have X. Yeah, no need to take a harder look at yourself than really, you know, really, it's because you know, beard was if you actually, you know, even if they started Bassett, I think that's a beard. But Morris, because he had didn't he bottle the ball, the one try, right? Like he gave away a try, I think. No, you got held up.
01:08:45
Speaker
Oh, he got help. Okay. I thought there was, I thought there was one where something happened in there and, and he, he just bottled the, like a kick or something like that. When I bear, I don't remember it off top of my head, but there's a possibility. I remember there being something where it's like, he really just fucked the pooch on that. Yeah. Not, not recalling it in my brain yet, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
01:09:05
Speaker
Right. And it's been a while for me. So I might just be making things up, but I still, I remember something not going really not well for him.
Saley's Impactful Try
01:09:13
Speaker
That's where somebody else, he was watching someone else score a try, but maybe on the Saley try. Saley scored, right? Yeah. Okay. It might've been the Saley try. Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Kamika came in and did really well for them too. You know, he had a point to prove after getting sent off to, uh, at the stoop as well. So I'm sure he,
01:09:36
Speaker
wanted to make an impact and starting this one on the bench, I'm sure it was not his favorite. So coming back off that and making a point really, really well.
Quinn's Standings and Upcoming Match
01:09:47
Speaker
So all to play for, lots to play for. And then the Quinn's, so they're seventh right now, sitting at seven. I'm sorry, sitting at seven with seven points.
01:10:00
Speaker
They got, who was it coming up? Sharks. Sharks at home. Okay. A little bit of payback potential, potentially. Oh, and, uh, Nova Pimpi.
Disciplinary Issues and Consequences
01:10:09
Speaker
So, yeah, we didn't talk about that. The, um, when Luku was moaning to the referee about the, the eye gouge. Yes. Apparently. Okay. Yes. Yes. And wait, let me see if he's playing that this, this has been announced. I would, well, he had his, his hearing hearing today. Yeah. Sometimes they won't announce the findings until the next day.
01:10:30
Speaker
Okay.
01:10:32
Speaker
Yeah, but he was sighted. So I'm guessing that's going to be. Yeah, if he's sighted, if you're sighted for something that didn't necessarily get called in the field, it's probably bad news. Right. And it's it's in the eye. It's an eye gouge. So or so that's an actual not eye gouge, not with someone just running their hand over your face and fucking with you. There's a big difference between those two things. There's a difference between that and giving them that. I call that giving them the business, you know, the shit house and then there's dirty that face wash. Yeah.
01:11:01
Speaker
Then there's that yeah that and the company's been kind of a dick lately. So we'll see what happens there But either way again, it's one of those other things That's just really frustrating about a player like that because he's so brilliant with ball and hand He's a wonderfully talented player and I love watching him when he does his thing on the field But when he does stupid shit like that, like right the the card he got against I think it was Australia. Yeah the TRC
01:11:29
Speaker
It's really, really frustrating to watch players like that. Like, what are you doing? You don't need to be this asshole. You already have so much.
01:11:38
Speaker
great things about you. Why do you have to be this douche on the field? There's no point in it. There used to be a point where shithousing was necessary. It's not necessary anymore. We're not that anymore. Play some bloody fucking rugby. And you're going to do more damage to a team, lighting them up with meters and tries and making your life miserable that way than you are with anything else that you possibly do.
Impact of Player Absence
01:12:01
Speaker
And here's the other thing is that they need... So he was the driving force behind their victory over the Quinns.
01:12:07
Speaker
And now they're going to go back on the road and two Quinn's with that, like probably without him. And, uh, that could affect their, their standing. Certainly. It could be, you know, they could get, they could get past, they could, you know, they could end up without a, um, a home match of it. We'll see.
Racing's Challenge Against Lancer
01:12:28
Speaker
It'd be hard, but it'd be possible. Yeah. That'd be extremely frustrating if I was done without.
01:12:35
Speaker
No doubt. Let's see. What are we looking for? Yeah, nevermind. Looking in the wrong spot. Anyway, let's go. And wrestling play. Who was it again? Oh, fuck. They're going to lancer. They're going to lancer. Oh, they're kind of fucked. Yeah. They need. Yeah, they need either.
01:13:01
Speaker
Well, they need bonus points. Number one, they need, and then he lost her and they all lose. Yeah. I think they still, that doesn't, I think they tie that would be enough. Uh, depending on what Ross sings.
01:13:18
Speaker
point differential ends up like, is it ties? Oh, true. That's true. Ties too. So yeah, again, Ross, we need some, some, some bonus point help there. Good luck. That's be over in Dublin. Yeah. Have fun storming the castle. Right.
Rugby Discussion Wrap-up
01:13:35
Speaker
Okay. That is all we have for the rugby chat is we're going to go to the pretend rugby chat in just a little bit here. Yeah. You can see why we chose to not do the other business.
01:13:48
Speaker
Would you do? Oh yeah. You can see why we chose not to do the other stuff. Yeah, for sure. Hopefully if you look at your clock, it's been a bit. So we're going to go do the other thing for a hot minute here. If you're heading over to the fancy corner, we'll see you there. If not, we appreciate you listening to us and hanging out with us. Enjoy the final round of pool play for a championship. We'll see you all next week. Have a good one. Later.