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Business of Machining - Episode 128
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THE SCOOPS AHOY OF CNC MACHINING
Grimsmo's KERN will be used as a positional 3-axis for knife making at first, meaning he doesn't need crazy tool or gauge lengths--at least until he decides to get fancy. IT'S A GRAVY SITUATION!
EARTH TO SMW!
Saunders and his team are back to Earth from visiting the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C., where Adam Savage, Andrew Barth, and Jen Schachter assembled the Apollo 11 Hatch Door Replica for Project Egress.
3D Pit Stop On the way back to Zanesville, SMW stopped at Xometry. Although they're primarily a software company, don't be fooled. They're all about lean manufacturing with some LEGIT 3D Printing machines. The next time you go to the break room and reach for a donut, it could be HP Polyjet tomfoolery.
Smart People....Smart People Everywhere! At Autodesk Toronto, Grimsmo sees some familiar faces and picks some brains---smart brains. Nothing beats getting to hang out with a new Robo drill and The True Croatian Sensation.
Haas releases their UMC-500!
With a base price of $121,000, you can be sure that all the bells and whistles will give you an amazing machine for under $200,000. While Saunders generally sticks to his debt-free preference, his experience with the benefits of 5-Axis machining make him slightly lean the other way (as long as the circumstances make sense, of course).
10 Top Notch Things About KERN
They can machine through a human hair but....the big question is: how do they set THAT up? If you think about it...chances are, you'll be able to figure it out.
It's 5 O'Clock somewhere...Yates Precision to be exact! Jake's taking care of 5 O'Clock shadows safely by making safety razors.
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ADVICE FOR A BETTER WORLD Do the best you can as much as you can. What would happen if you had to visibly put your name on every part?
COOLANT SPILL. CHECK YO CANISTERS! A clear filter canisters from McMaster bites the dust and Grimsmo's not the only one! IF YOU HAVE THESE, MAKE SURE YOU REPLACE THEM!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcasting Routines
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the business of machining, number 128. My name is John Grimsmoor. My name is Sean Saunders. We're like, how do we start this again? For a second, where am I? Yeah. This is what happens when you buy a current is everything else just becomes- Nothing else matters. Nothing else matters. Great song. How are you? Excellent. Yeah?
Autodesk Toronto Event Highlights
00:00:28
Speaker
Yeah, I had a super fun day at Autodesk Toronto yesterday. Oh, I saw the social stuff on that. Yeah, I posted like a few little things. I didn't film almost anything. It was amazing. Super cool. It was like a lunch and learn event. So Harvey Tool was there. Camplete was there. So I got to pick their brain a lot because I'll be using Camplete on the Kern. LA Matsura was there. So two of the guys that I know were there. And there was a brand new Robo drill.
00:00:56
Speaker
that was running a generatively designed five-axis part on a five-axis trunnion table on the RoboDrill.
Meeting Industry Leaders at Autodesk
00:01:03
Speaker
Angelo Duras from Autodesk, San Francisco was there, the true curation sensation. I've seen him and I've chatted with him like many times, but I've never talked to him like rowers. So he's actually a really, really cool dude. We had an amazing time together.
00:01:21
Speaker
He's had some good work experience and machining experience. Absolutely. He's 31 years, he said. He worked at Tesla doing their five axis machining and the dude's been around the block and super smart guy. There were lots of smart people there too. It was a great day. I almost didn't go, but then two days ago, I was
Exploring RoboDrill's Unique Setup
00:01:44
Speaker
like, yeah, let's just do it. That's fine. You didn't buy the Robo drill, did you?
00:01:50
Speaker
It was a trunnion, a fan of trunnion or a third party? I forget H brand, not half, but some weird brand. But yeah, it was great. It was like a four plus five kind of table trunnion thingy. What do you call it? Not the two arm, not the hold from both sides, but the hold from one side. Yeah, so not a... I don't remember either. Sorry. It doesn't matter. What was the point of the event? Was there something specific?
00:02:22
Speaker
basically like five axis machining stuff. Autodesk. Yeah, Autodesk and Harvey Tool also like implemented it. They gave a great, you know, 30 minute kind of lecture about not just speeds and feeds, but also tooling and work holding and rigidity and how many flutes in the cut and all that stuff. And I learned some stuff. It was really nice. Awesome.
00:02:51
Speaker
Yeah, the whole idea of what made me think of Harvey is helical and I think I mentioned this, but buying reduced neck tooling. Let's say you have to have three inches of stick out for clearance to the part or because it's a steep or clearance within the part, like it's a deep pocket.
00:03:10
Speaker
We bought a three eighths inch tool. It's only a two and a half inches of stick out. So you could almost do that as a complete fluting of the tool, but we bought it as a reduced neck. So it's solid carbide, albeit reduced down to the last five eighths of an inch, which is fluted. And it is shocking how much more rigid it is.
00:03:32
Speaker
Well, it's funny how they tooled up the Robo drill there because the BT30 everything, but the tools are like eighth inch diameter, three inches long. Yeah, it's crazy. Like insane stick out. And that's just how they expect it for whatever reason to do like, I don't know, crazy mold work or whatever for testing. It's just weird seeing these tiny little toothpick tools, you know, three inches long.
00:03:57
Speaker
Actually, that'll be the nice thing about a lot of your current work, at least initially, is that you shouldn't need crazy tool lengths or gauge lengths. Nope. Yeah. Oh man. That's like the gravy situation. Yeah. I'm using the current as a three axis, you know, positional for the most part, for the knife stuff until I start getting fancy. But yeah, sure.
Comparing Haas UMC Machines
00:04:19
Speaker
Did you see Haas came out with the UMC 500? No.
00:04:23
Speaker
Yeah, they released it. And I think the base price is like 121 grand. Now, no one's going to buy the base price. I think that's like an 8,000 RPM spindle. And so you're going to move up from there, but still. Under 200 for fully-specced out.
00:04:41
Speaker
Oh, wait. I mean, our machine was under that. Okay. There are actually a ton of options on the UMC and there's a decent amount of stuff that comes standard. I believe the Renishaw Probe is already in that price, but you probably want a higher spindle and you want a chip conveyor and some other stuff.
00:05:02
Speaker
I was telling people last week on our trip, I don't know how to phrase. Actually, somebody posted on the forum about buying a trunnion or what the next steps would be, or do they step up? I'm just like, man, I'm really pushing people. You know my feelings on borrowing money and debt, but if you could afford an $80,000 VF2 or whatever, load it up.
00:05:25
Speaker
think you should absolutely consider forgoing that. If it's the right workflow for you and moving to a $150,000, you'll borrow the difference and get that machine because I just can't emphasize it enough. I mean, last night I hit cycle start on a three hour part, walked away, came back at nine on my way back from
00:05:48
Speaker
be out with some friends
Investing in Advanced Machinery
00:05:49
Speaker
and then just turn the compression of the machine off. It was in this morning. It's running a lot like long cycle times are amazing for it. The thought of automating it is going to be great, but just like the refreshness of being able to make parts in one or two setups is phenomenal. Awesome. I love it. Yeah. So it's exciting.
00:06:13
Speaker
So the UMC 500, does it share a lot of the same parts as the 750 or is everything new? Like spindle or like?
00:06:21
Speaker
Yeah, my understanding is, so the 750 has been out for years and then last year at IMTS, I think they debuted the UMC 1000, which is kind of a beast of a machine. I don't, I would think and slash hope that the UMC 500 would outsell it significantly because you don't always want a big five axis machine and it is big. It's like a 40 inch X travel five axis machine. But yeah, UMC 1000 is 1000 millimeters.
00:06:47
Speaker
But what was exciting was the UMC 1000 was the first real or significant rev change in the UMC line. So they have like, I think it's a hypocycloid drive platter. They have HSK spindle option, a bunch of other casting changes. And then those all went into the UMC 500. And then my understanding is at some point, the UMC 750 will be re-released with all those upgrades as well.
00:07:13
Speaker
I saw a picture of a UMC 1000 last night, I think on Angelo Juris' Instagram. And there's like four vices on the table. It's so big.
00:07:28
Speaker
Well, if you're doing giant V8 engine blocks or huge castings or pipes for oil and gas, I totally get it, but I would actually trade my UMC 750 most likely for a UMC 500. We haven't really had clearance problems, to be honest, so maybe I wouldn't say that, but if I had my druthers, I'd buy a UMC 500 tomorrow. I'd like to add it to this. Yeah, right.
00:07:54
Speaker
It's exciting. I don't think I'd get the HSK spindle though. I was kind of obsessed with upgrading spindles for a while, thinking that it was a weak spot. And I was hoping that they would have, I do wish they'd have dual contact, if anything, just to see what it's like. But HSK spindle is a big upgrade cost and at the relatively low RPM of 15K compared to about 30 and 40Ks and the increased cost of the tool holders and so forth, I guess. And then you have different tool holders.
00:08:22
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. You didn't have a choice on the current, right? It's just that. I don't think so. Which is fine by me. And surprisingly, the UMAC machines, the two UMAC machines that I'm getting are also HSK 40. So I have compatibility between the current and those two. Oh. And those, okay. Boy. Okay. Interesting.
00:08:46
Speaker
Yeah.
HSK Spindles and Machine Compatibility
00:08:47
Speaker
So why do some of the current have HSK25? Or am I misremembering it? It's the smaller version. I don't know if the micro does, but the pyramid nano does, I think. Okay. I think you can get the micro with HSK25 too. Oh, okay. So you have a choice. Yeah, but both HSK. Yeah, yeah. Got it. Do you see our video on it?
00:09:11
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. 10 things you love about current. Yeah, it was great. It was fun. Yeah, it was super cool. Seeing those parts again is just like I was actually marvel. How do you drill a hair hole through hair and you just have to have the machine movement? It has to be able to handle precision motion. Not just that, but what do you probe it in place for X and Y? How do you know you're hitting the hair? That's the easiest part.
00:09:39
Speaker
You know this. You know how to do it? I guess if you mill a channel first and then super glue the hair down. Bingo. You just nailed it. Did you seriously just nail that? Nice shot. Yeah, I never thought about it until just now. But yeah, okay, that makes perfect sense. But still.
00:09:56
Speaker
Yeah, but that's a great tip. That's a very current-esque thing was they were talking about on some of the job shop work at their K1 facility. They only will make a fixture on the same machine that it part runs on just for this whole stack of certainty and continuity. Yeah, machine a little groove, superglue the hair in there. You know exactly where it is.
Smithsonian Museum Visit
00:10:19
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good point. Then get your electron microscope to take a picture of it.
00:10:27
Speaker
How was Smithsonian? Break that down. Yeah, it was awesome. We drove, me, Jared, and Alex, we left here Wednesday morning, drove down to the Adverhazy, which is the Smithsonian Museum next to Dulles Airport, which is probably the coolest room you can ever stand in in the United States or world, especially if you're into anything, history or aviation.
00:10:52
Speaker
In one room, you've got the actual space shuttle Discovery, which flew more missions than any other space shuttle. You have an SR-71, you have the Andola Gay, you have a Concorde from Air France, and probably 200 other airplanes.
00:11:12
Speaker
the Red Bull canister that Felix Baumgarten jumped from in that balloon thing. I mean, it's just you keep turning around and hellfire missiles, F-35 Joint Strike Fighter prototypes, Apollo 11 command module stuff parts. It's just absolutely amazing.
00:11:33
Speaker
So we hung out there for a couple hours, picked up Tom Lipton at the airport. He at Dulles, which was perfect coincidence or that way worked out. Drove to DC, met up with Andrew Barth and some of his friends and others for a dinner that night, which was just awesome. Like it was kind of fun to hang out, talk shop, see all that stuff. And then the next day was the event.
00:11:54
Speaker
I didn't know what to expect, to be honest, and what was strange at first to me was that, so it was Adam Savage doing the build with Andrew and sort of his project manager, Jen.
Adam Savage's Presentation Style
00:12:08
Speaker
I was expecting him to kind of talk through it, like curate it, be like, okay, so this is this part, this goes here, maybe throw in a little factoid or trivia about the mission or this thing. No, it was radio silence. Whoa.
00:12:23
Speaker
I totally get it because he's in the zone. He's focusing and some folks were mentioning this is kind of what he does. So I'm sympathetic to that, but I thought it was kind of, man, put on a show. I was expecting him to kind of, but it was funny. The part, Microsoft made the overall hatch door, and I believe it was out of a wrench shape or similar to wrench shape.
00:12:44
Speaker
and they painted it and they pulled it out and it looked spectacular. Oh my God, that got me so fired up. And then the parts started going on, the acrylic windows, the bezels around it, the different mechanisms and latches and levers. And literally as you saw it come together, you're like, this is really cool. Whoa.
00:13:08
Speaker
Michael Collins was on the floor at the time, who was one of the three Apollo 11 astronauts, which is just crazy. And got to meet up with a bunch of fans, folks that had kind words to say, folks flew in for it. Yeah, it was really cool. That's amazing.
00:13:27
Speaker
Yeah, the plaque looked good. That was what I think it was a pretty darn successful collaboration. The parts fit. Everyone finished their parts. I give a lot of credit to everyone that worked on that part. But it was also all the little details. I think Microsoft also did the plaques and the stand. And they were UV printed. And they looked so good.
00:13:53
Speaker
And that was what was exciting. That brings out that point of pride. Yeah, it was good. Details on every corner, hey? Yeah. That was actually the, do you know Jake Yates? Yates' precision? You follow him? Yep, a little bit.
00:14:09
Speaker
So he, we did like an interview for his new website and he's trying to get his sort of entrepreneurial thing going with making safety razors. And he was asked one of those kind of cliched questions of if there's only one piece of advice that you could give, which is really tough because that's not how life works. But okay, I thought what's one piece of advice and it's, I don't remember verbatim what I said, but it was something to the tune of,
00:14:35
Speaker
everything that is an output or product of what you do, do it with pride and check your work. Read an email before you click send or reread it. If you write something, rewrite it. If you check a part or make a part, measure it twice.
00:14:52
Speaker
just let that be a physical representation of a point of pride and a point of quality because, and you know, like most things, when you say those things, they're a reflection of you. I didn't always used to do that. And when I do do that, it feels darn good to catch something, to rewrite something, to do a little bit of better job, to clean up that chamfer, to fix that just ever so tiny bird that maybe no one would notice. But that's what I liked about egress was it looked like there were no compromises apparent. It looked awesome.
00:15:21
Speaker
Nice. And doing that daily constantly further reinforces your own confidence in yourself. You know, knowing that you're constantly pushing your own boundaries and getting better and you want to put goodness out into the world and continue to get better.
Pride and Quality in Work
00:15:36
Speaker
Something I've thought about for a long time is if everybody put their name on everything they made,
00:15:42
Speaker
the world would be a better place. Yeah, right. You have to own it. If every internet troll had to meet you for dinner that night, things would be a little different.
00:15:54
Speaker
Yeah, but it's also like an aim small, miss small. The point of that comment is also that you're never going to do it. You're often going to fail to meet that expectation because there are real constraints in life of time and energy and so forth. But the more effort you put on that, the less likely you are to fail or the more likely you are to catch something.
00:16:17
Speaker
We all make mistakes, we're all human, but trying to put a recurring effort, a sustainable effort into being better at that is a really good thing. Yeah, it's a path worth going after. Yeah.
00:16:34
Speaker
Hanging out with the other folks is always fun. Tom Lipton had some really good, interesting factoids. I'm trying to figure out if we can distill it into something that's shareable, but some really interesting stuff on hiring people. The questions to ask, the steps to go through, it kind of spurred a conversation about that.
00:16:55
Speaker
I really enjoy that, helping filter people through, see what they're good at mechanically. And like so often is the case, I think you would agree, you're happy to invest and train and teach somebody, but they've got to have certain kind of core skill sets and attitudes, right? Yeah, I talked a lot about that yesterday with a bunch of the guys that came. Always curious what people's thoughts are on hiring and finding people and
00:17:22
Speaker
Not even so much keeping them, but just finding them, getting started, you know? Yeah. Finding the good ones.
Visit to Xometry and Manufacturing Innovations
00:17:29
Speaker
Yep.
00:17:30
Speaker
Then on Friday, we drove back, it's really not a bad drive, five and a half, six hours, and we stopped at Xometry, who I've gotten to know those guys over the past year, but hadn't met a lot of them outside of a quick trade show. They're a technology company, they're a software company by and large, but they also do have in-house manufacturing. They've got a couple of Haas machines, and then they've got legit 3D printing.
00:17:57
Speaker
It's just crazy because we're in this suburban Maryland office park
00:18:01
Speaker
And they're like, okay, we'll walk over here to where our 3D printing is. And you walk in and there's rows of these Strata system machines and EOSs and the system, like you would actually love it because they are in the business of lean manufacturing. They're in the business of optimized stuff. So that when like a part gets uploaded to the website, they need to know immediately, like within like five seconds, how much to quote the part for. And then they need to know lead time,
00:18:29
Speaker
They need to know concerns, risks, processes. Do they need to interact with the customer because of something on that? And then where's it going? So you need to have all of these machines. I mean, they probably had 30, 40 printers right there, plus they have more access to more.
00:18:45
Speaker
Where is it going? Where is it getting assigned to? Is it the right material, the right color? How's it getting processed? What's the build time? How does that reconcile with the deliverable? And so batching that stuff up on an automated level is really cool. That's awesome.
00:19:05
Speaker
And then they're just humming away. I mean, that's the beauty of 3D printing is these, you know, whether it's an eight hour print time or a 48 hour print time, those machines are running all the time. So they just, I'm sure they start automatically, but then there's probably a big notification light that says empty this one, pull the platter off the build plate, and then it's available again. So then the software knows we've got 14 machines available for the next print, right? Or something. Yep.
00:19:34
Speaker
Yeah, I think they had a farm of the Stratasys FDM machine, so I call them the fancy maker bots. That's probably sacrilegious. But those, I think, were separated by either size or by material. So they tackle that problem with the quantity of machines. So they always have one set up for this color or this type of material or this size. But then the
00:20:01
Speaker
HP poly jets that do the gnarly, remember at M hub they had the donut printed? I think that was the HP poly jet. So mixed material, mixed colorization. So you could print a donut that could have a soft squishy core, a harder foam icing, all different colors. And like both Ed and I would have been willing to take a bite of it, assuming that it was a real donut when you were still only six inches away from it. Yep, yep, absolutely. That's amazing.
00:20:30
Speaker
At Autodesk Toronto, they had a couple of printers. They had an HP, I don't know what. I don't think it was mixed material, but it was a nylon plastic printer that also does ink coloring. So it can print, you know, lifelike objects, not quite as good as that donut. And then upstairs, they also had a Stratasys something mixed material. So it printed this like TV remote with 10 buttons on it. And each button, like it's a hard plastic shell, each button is a different durometer rubber.
00:20:58
Speaker
Yes. And it's labeled on it. So like 10, 20, 30, 40, 50. And you're clicking each one. You're like soft, harder, harder, harder, harder. Whoa, this is crazy. Yeah. Isn't that cool? Yeah.
00:21:10
Speaker
So yeah, so it was fun. And then we got back and back at it now.
Tool Storage Innovations with Airtable
00:21:15
Speaker
It's kind of weird. Egress is over, so it's back to normal life. We're working on the tool storage project. Alex has been really making some strides on that. And I think I brought that up. Yeah, we definitely talked about that on BOM because you were talking about dropping the printed digit when you need to minus one, which is brilliant.
00:21:39
Speaker
We had a lot of folks on Instagram and emails saying some stuff that I want to address, which is, number one, we are well aware of all of the different commercial solutions. There's a ton of vending machines out there. There's some that are for free if you buy enough tooling or carbide. There's ones where you buy all the hardware yourself. There's a lot of options. We're not interested in that right now, generally, simply because of price.
00:22:05
Speaker
One way or the other, those tend to be well into the thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars, whether it's through cost of hardware or obligation to purchase stuff. And you just don't need it. I'm looking at what the compromises are on our solution and the compromises are
00:22:21
Speaker
minor. What we're trying to do now, we have the front end built so that there's a webpage that interacts with Airtable. You have your whole database of tooling. We're finding the filter flow of how you filter stuff down and then
00:22:38
Speaker
The pictures are frustrating because we're air table stores pictures in an array. It makes it harder to pull them up. So I'm thinking we'll do an external photo site service and then just put the links into each tool. That should be OK, but I want the little photo size standardized so that they come through with a nice formatting to them. But we already have our first toolbox working on it.
00:23:06
Speaker
And it's awesome. Like when you walk up to it, if you have a tool in your hand, you can use the filters to find out what that option would be. And then we were intentionally inducing chaos into the storage, meaning I don't want all the quarter inch tools next to each other. I'm fine with it being a reamer next to a half inch end mill next to a pack of inserts, because I think that makes it easier to not make a mistake.
00:23:34
Speaker
That makes sense. It proves out the system better. No, I mean, if you have an exact same end mill, the difference is one is square and one is corner rad next to each other. You don't gain anything from that, but you do risk, I think, operator error. Yeah, the wrong one, or picking up the wrong one, for that matter. That's a good point, actually. And all of our tools.
00:24:01
Speaker
All of our tools could be stored in, I mean, at best seven or eight toolboxes, meaning you're two steps away from all of them. So there's no volume quantity that begets some more efficiency density storage. Don't worry about that. So yeah. Awesome. So even with the time you and Alex are investing in this, you think it's totally worth it. Like this was an amazing idea.
00:24:30
Speaker
I'm not sure I would say it's an amazing idea. I certainly didn't come up with the idea. We just realized, wait a minute. Let's roll our own on this. What I don't love about it right now is that for others to use it, you'll have to do a local WordPress install, which you can do a packaged installer. Then you have to install the, you have to mimic over the
00:24:52
Speaker
air table, then you have to install what's called air press and use their API keys. It's not that hard and we can write out the instructions for it, but I almost, I do wish it could just be a turnkey for folks. But I don't right now don't necessarily want to get into this business. This isn't necessarily what we're thinking. This isn't what we do per se, but
00:25:16
Speaker
I think what we'll probably do is just write all up and put it on the probably on the pro level of NYC CNC and show folks how to do it. And we'll keep tweaking it and improving it and folks want to use it. That's great. Yeah. Cool. What are you up to?
00:25:35
Speaker
Um, well, it took yesterday off going to auto desk. So I'm like trying to get back into the groove. Um, play with the Swiss most of the day, which would be good. We had a, um, Eric sent me a picture last night. We had a giant coolant spilled. Oh, really? Not giant, but, uh, the clear, um, filter canisters that we got from McMaster to filter the coolant. One of them cracked right off and fell.
00:26:00
Speaker
No, that's too funny because the same thing happened to Seth Midor two weeks ago. Yeah, right. I remember seeing the picture and I'm like, yeah, I have the same picture. So I don't know if they don't like quality chem over time. Mine are probably two years old or any coolant or whatever, like they're meant for water, I guess.
00:26:20
Speaker
But interesting little heads up to everybody out there. If you have those and you've had them for a year plus, you should probably get rid of them and replace something else because a coolant spill is no joke.
Addressing Coolant Spill Challenges
00:26:32
Speaker
Luckily, somebody was here when that happened. Like everybody was soon to go home. And if that had happened, broken and spilled and pumping coolant.
00:26:43
Speaker
onto the ground, basically. The tank would have run dry, the pump would have burned up, and we would have had two hours of machining with no coolant. Yeah. Well, it wouldn't be machining at that point. It'd be friction welding, but yeah. Yeah. Which machine was this? The Moray. The Mill. Does your machine have any sort of a coolant sensor? Nope. Yeah.
00:27:08
Speaker
I'm trying to... The Hosses do, right? I don't think... No, they do. They totally do. Sorry. There's also a coolant refill sensor on that refill thing we bought, but there's a coolant level sensor, but I don't know if it would alarm or give you the option to stop the machine or not. But it wouldn't... We don't really run lights out that often. So for us, if the canister broke, you would spill some stuff, a couple of gallons, but it wouldn't be 55 gallons.
00:27:38
Speaker
Same for you, but yours was running, right? So it's just pumping now. Right? Yeah. So I don't think there was any damage. I'm sure they caught it. It was just Eric and Sky here left based on the timing and the picture, but yeah, I haven't looked in the mill yet to see what, where it stopped, but I think it was at the beginning of like a three and a half hour cycle. No, seven hour cycle.
00:28:05
Speaker
This was last night. So yeah, sorry. I think you can buy the plastic canister replacement alone on McMaster. I will look into that because that would be the quickest turnaround. But I also got a I think it's a 500 PSI cap because these plastic ones are only good to like 100 or whatever like house water pressure. I think
00:28:29
Speaker
Yeah, I got a black metal 500 PSI canister, like filter baggy thingy for my lathe for the Nakamura. Instead of being like $100, like the canister, it was more like $300 or $500, but it's legit. It's like pressure vessel kind of thing. So I might just get one of those for the Maury.
00:28:53
Speaker
I forget where we were, but maybe it was at Smithsonian and they had a GoPro on something and I was like, wow, I've never seen a GoPro case that wasn't damaged. It was like a permanent accident because from using them in the machines and the coolant and banging them around, those cases always get mucked up and it was a pristine case, but I think those cutting fluids tend to be pretty hard on plastics.
00:29:16
Speaker
I'll look into, we have a page on NYC for that filter option system that we were inspired by Jay Pearson on. If we find the replacement parts are a metal option, I'll post updated links there because that is, you're right, that is no joke. Yep.
00:29:33
Speaker
It's something, it was a good wake up call because it further reinforces something Eric at Orange Vice told me. He's like, how did he phrase it? He goes, running unattended is not something we do. It's what we do.
Reliability in Unattended Machining
00:29:50
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Okay. And I was like, that's a good look at it. So even stupid things like quality of hoses for your coolant, you know, like any weak point in the system, you know, if you've got a hose barb and a hose clamp where you should have a whatever crimp fitting or something like, like that's a point of failure, maybe one day, maybe, you know, so it's like,
00:30:09
Speaker
If you. Expect to run unattended and expect the machine to just do what you expected to do every day every night. Take a look around and make sure it's as good as you think it is so I'm gonna have to do a good walk around.
00:30:23
Speaker
It reminds me in our strike mark days of when we were trying to get this thing to market. So every additional product and cost and option was something you sort of shunned if you didn't need it. And at one point the electrical engineer guy was like, Hey, we really need to fuse this wiring harness to the motor. I didn't, I knew what a fuse was, but I wasn't any seasoned or experienced in the design and use of components like that. And I was like, do we need a fuse? And he just looks at me and goes, there's people who use fuses and there's people who will use fuses.
00:30:53
Speaker
Yeah. You're going to need a fuse. You're going to find out pretty quick that a fuse is required. Yeah. I think Amish added a water sensor to the floor. Yeah, which obviously that's not ideal because you're getting notified that a problem has already started, but at least you're getting... I mean, you'd hate to have a false positive, wake you up at three in the morning and drive into the shop, but maybe that's better
00:31:23
Speaker
than the consequences of otherwise. Or you can add a sensor into your tank. I always hate the idea of adding a sensor in that could e-stop the machine or it could feed hold it.
00:31:37
Speaker
And you should be able to, do you have M codes on your Maury, like accessible IO? I'm sure, but I don't know how yet. Okay. The Haas, I give them credit. They do a really good job of making that easy. Jay Pearson's new robot video kind of shows that where even if a sensor loses vacuum, it can just e-stop or hold the machine. Like super easy. Then you can use the Haas app to notify you. Like that's awesome.
00:32:04
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Well, I was at, uh, speaking of, he stopped the machine at Autodesk yesterday. They were making this part on the Robo drill and the guy paused it, stopped the spindle, opened the door, looked at it.
00:32:16
Speaker
And the way he was pushing the buttons on the controller, I'm like, you're not going to just pick it up from there and continue machining, are you? Because every time I've done that, I have to reset, I have to go back to that point in the code and like start, you know, air cut the first little bit and then continue. And he's like, yeah, I'll just pick it up from like the spindle will turn on, it'll keep machining. I'm like, are you kidding me? How? It's gotta leave. And he said,
00:32:38
Speaker
It might leave a mark, sure. Um, so maybe it's not a, you know, everyday solution, but I didn't even know it was possible. Oh, really? And he, I think, I think he said there was a parameter that I can change on my machine, but, um, what is it? If you go to.
00:32:54
Speaker
feet hold, single block, and then open the door, like click the door button, the spindle will turn off the coolant will turn off, it'll stop. And then you could open the door, you can look inside and then close the door and, you know, kit cycle start and single block or whatever, and it'll just continue machining like spindle on coolant on everything because they're still active variables. It's just never something I've actually done before. I always just assumed like if I pause it and want to spindle off, it's done for now. I got to restart it. So that was cool.
00:33:24
Speaker
I think there's a mode on the Haas, like a key that you could switch into maintenance mode, which would then allow you to hit pause, open the door. It'll drop the spindle down to a safe RPM that I think is 750, but it might be good that the tool is at least still turning if you want. Well, it might be better for your part if the tool is still turning somewhat. Obviously, if you need to inspect the tool, that's not ideal. But at that point, I think you could actually just shut the spindle off, I think, and then resume.
00:33:54
Speaker
I was also thinking the brother speedio, maybe not all of them, but specifically the RX 650, the palletized, you know, the two position pallet changer one. I don't even think it has interlocks on the door. So you can just if the machine is so fast, you can just open the door, cool and shuts off, spindle shuts off. Oh, it doesn't. It's so fast. You just open the door and it stops. And then you close the door and it continues machining. It's like, what? Yeah, that's cool. That's really cool.
00:34:25
Speaker
Interesting. Would you get a robo drill over a speedio if you had to buy one today? I don't know where I'm at today. I'm not interested in either at the moment, but I've thought a lot about it. They're so close, right? They're just fundamentally
00:34:43
Speaker
I don't want to say fundamentally different, but they are slightly different machines. It's like, which way are you leaning kind of thing? I don't know. They're both amazing. Unless the speedio blows it away, I would think you're much better off with a control you know. Fair enough. I think, yeah, the brother control is different, but similar-ish to FANUC. But yeah, I'd be very comfortable with the FANUC control. Right. Yeah.
00:35:07
Speaker
I wonder how corporate patterns is getting along. I haven't seen it as much on Instagram lately, but he's got that Matsura horizontal and he's got that, I knew he was frustrated with that speedio sum of just learning the codes and Renaissance and all that. Have you been up to a shop since we were there? No, not since he got the Matsura. Got it. Yeah, that's a year ago.
00:35:36
Speaker
Isn't that crazy? What are you up to?
00:35:39
Speaker
What am I up to? We had the electrician in yesterday to wire up the air conditioning. So now the HVAC folks have to come back, I think just to install the thermostat. But that's exciting. Of course, ironically, it's cool here now. It's like 75 degrees and wonderful out. And I am reviewing some video footage.
Tormach G64 Smoothing Settings
00:36:00
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We did a bunch of playing around with the Tormach G64 smoothing setting, which was really fascinating. Nice. You were saying that last week, yeah.
00:36:08
Speaker
Yeah, so finishing up on that and you have some small housekeeping stuff and then finishing up the parts in the UMC. Now I'm going to go look at McMaster filter canisters and see if there's a steel option. Yeah, that's nice. Sweet.
00:36:30
Speaker
Have you done any more decisions on kern, fixturing, tooling, designs, all that? No decisions yet. However, yesterday at the event talking to Angelo and some other people, I got to really think about it a lot.
00:36:46
Speaker
I got to see a Lang vise up close, which was amazing. I've seen them before at trade shows and stuff, but I've never saw them with the intention of buying a five-axis vise. So it's a totally different perspective now. I got to see it taken apart, play with it, slide it, and I'm like, dang, these are really, really nice vices. I see why everybody says Lang is the best or whatever.
00:37:11
Speaker
they're probably the more expensive option compared to other options, but they are really nice. I don't know yet, but we also talked about creative fixturing techniques for a lot of the visey stuff that I want to hold, making fixtures with Mighty Bites or whatever instead of needing a vise for it. I could save a lot of money by not having to buy a ton of vices and just get a handful of them for odd work. Yeah, that's what I know.
00:37:37
Speaker
I don't know what you're... I totally get it. You need vices for flexibility, quick one-offs, all that, but I don't know what else you're going to do that's vicey. Oh, I've got ideas. Okay, fair enough.
Creative Fixturing Techniques
00:37:49
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But for the most part, the knife production is going on tombstones, which will get rigid bolted to the Aroa palette. Yes. Right. I'm not worried about those. I'm just going to make tons and tons of tombstones.
00:38:03
Speaker
I don't need any flexibility there like you were suggesting. Don't rock lock them, zero point them, whatever. They don't need to come off the row of pallet. They should be a permanent assembly basically because they don't need to move. I would encourage you also to think about
00:38:20
Speaker
the Pitbull talent combination for stuff in lieu of vices because you can quickly make aluminum fixtures. You can almost do like our Modvite style system, low profile, high gripping forces, good clearance, very flexible, very inexpensive. And the most expensive parts of that are the Pitbull Mighty Vites that you can repurpose and reuse as needed. Yeah. And I actually have a lot of them.
00:38:44
Speaker
Nice. Yeah. We did that riser post for a little half inch, almost like a sear we had to make and we just quickly made a pyramid fixture, put one pit bull, one town at the very top of it, money good, solved all the clearance issues versus buying a different vice or a different set of jaws or risers. That wasn't necessary.
00:39:11
Speaker
It's fun to get creative like that. I need to, I don't know, go to a coffee shop for four hours and just sit down and think about this stuff and like with my computer and throw down designs and fusion and like figure out what is required for what I want to do.
00:39:25
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I would say too, you got to start bringing another, I don't know who it would be at your shop, but Angela or Sky or something, sketch up three or four things on a piece of paper and say, go model these up or think about these, decide what you think is the best. Let me know. Because I think that's the one thing I still see with your, as an outsider to your businesses, it needs to be less Cribsmo, John Cribsmo, or others. And that's a good example.
00:39:51
Speaker
I've been able to distribute a lot of tasks and jobs and things, but a lot of the thinking and planning and, you know, critical decisions. I'm, I don't know why I'm keeping it close to my heart. And I need to learn to distribute that more. Do it. Yeah. I'm very aware. Yes.
Finding a New Shop Location
00:40:08
Speaker
Let's not talk about it. Yeah, exactly. Just do it. Any, any update on the shop, finding a new shop?
00:40:14
Speaker
Still looking hard. Okay. I'll find it. I'm not worried yet. Cool. Well, that'll be, that's a big hurdle, I feel like. Yes, it is. It's critical, which is why we'll make it happen. Yeah. Awesome. Cool. Well, I will see you next week. Sounds good. Have yourself an awesome day. Take care. See you. Bye. Okay. Bye.