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The Fall Out From All Out + Clashes at Castles & Worlds Colliding
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It’s Boys’ Night as Seth, Marco, and Jordan discuss all the insanity that was the aftermath of All Out. They also review the show itself along with Clash At The Castle and Worlds Collide. Plus, Listener Mail!
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Transcript
Introduction & Weekend Recap
00:00:14
Speaker
Welcome back to the Chicken Foley show. We got a special episode for you guys tonight. It is boys night. We'll get into it in a little bit why Sheena cannot be here with us tonight, but it's just me, Jordan, and Marco recapping the biggest weekend of wrestling of the year, so far at least. I don't know if anything's gonna be able to top this through the fall and the winter. It was just, you know, basically nonstop action from Saturday afternoon on. Jordan, what's going on, man? How's life out in Nebraska?
00:00:42
Speaker
man things are good um winding down this uh long weekend that this is always a end of summer drinking weekend for me so um yeah man i'm just uh i i need to get back into a routine let's just say that because yeah this is no good for my 38 year old body
00:01:01
Speaker
I feel you man. I went Wednesday, you know, I Yeah, I'm out here in the sticks as we talked about the last couple months So I my craft beer shop is about 45 minutes away. So I got to make it special in time I go see I went Wednesday and load it up and yeah We've been we've been pounding them back all weekend. So I feel you man. I felt like my livers pickled right about now Marco what's going on up in the Northeast? Nothing much yourself
00:01:26
Speaker
They said, it's coming off of this crazy weekend of wrestling. It was just like, you know, all day Saturday, I was like, we went to one of our friends, they had a cookout. So I was there like, not on my phone at all, didn't see anything.
00:01:41
Speaker
and kind of stayed away from it. And then, you know, Saturday night all the way into Sunday night, the wee late hours, I was up to like probably like two or three in the morning on Monday, just watching everything. I just couldn't sleep. I was insomnia ridden. After all that wrestling, my eyes were like,
00:02:00
Speaker
peeled open. Did you successfully avoid all spoilers for Clash? I did, actually. I put my phone on, what do you call it? Airplane mode? Not airplane. It's like that focus mode or whatever that is. I got you. Were you not getting any notifications? Basically, I just see like 50 notifications and I'm like, oh, I know what's going on. I can't touch it.
00:02:23
Speaker
So I tell you what used to be the worst for getting spoilers man when I was first getting back into wrestling was the actual WWE app. Like they're spamming out notifications for every little thing that happens. I used to, I used to like turn off the notifications for like Twitter and everything man. Um, but it always be the WWE app that was spoiling stuff for me when we were out in Hawaii. Um, and sometimes Jeff shows it.
00:02:45
Speaker
at awkward times. Jordan, I know you were at the Nebraska Cornhuskers game on Saturday. Did you actually heed my advice and stream Clash at the Castle on your phone while the game was going on? Man, it was a tough sledding at the old Husker game. There was not much time for me to be streaming Clash at the Castle at the Husker game. Let's just say that.
00:03:07
Speaker
in between me wanting to jump on the field and strangle Scott Frost and, uh, being about 20 drinks deep at that point. I, there was no streaming a wrestling show at that point. Yeah. They had a little, uh, they had a little trouble with North Dakota, right? Was it, was it North Dakota or North Dakota state? They were playing. Oh, if it was North Dakota state, they would have lost. Uh, it was North Dakota who's not very good. And yeah, man, it's, uh, it is not looking like a promising season. I'll just say that.
00:03:32
Speaker
Yeah, North Dakota State, they're like a FCS powerhouse, man. I still remember one of my all-time favorite live events, 2002. Me and my dad and my little brother, we went to Chattanooga, Tennessee for the finals. At the time, it was the division 1-8-8 championship. We saw our hometown school, Western Kentucky Hilltoppers, they beat North Dakota State for the championship. Always got a little soft spot for those guys, man.
00:03:57
Speaker
But yeah, crazy weekend of wrestling, we're going to get into it.
Parenting & Affiliate Promotions
00:04:00
Speaker
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00:04:15
Speaker
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00:04:40
Speaker
Again she is out tonight so we'll do a quick little parent corner I know we got a slightly older audience listens to the show so I know a lot of folks can relate to this but the bedtime has been an absolute fucking war zone for us the last excuse my language also will probably be a little bit more a little bit more salt and pepper on the language tonight without sheenah here to tone us down right guys oh yeah.
00:05:03
Speaker
Yeah. This is not going to be a child friendly. She is usually the moderator on the language and stuff. Yeah. But anyways, it's been a war zone, man. Like, I don't know why for, you know, my son has never really been a great sleeper. My daughter had really been a good sleeper since really birth, but we had them both on a good run for about the last six to eight months. And here in the last like two weeks, dude, they it's, I don't know if they sat down and had a meeting together and like went over their agenda or what, but it's like they both tag teamed it. We're like, dude, we're just going to start refusing to go to bed. So
00:05:32
Speaker
just fighting them every step of the way. And then once they're in bed, they want to get up every 10 minutes. So we're starting a new strategy tomorrow night. You know, we figured why if any parents know anytime you try to put in like a new sleep regime or something, it's a huge pain in the ass. And we didn't want to spoil the long weekend with it. So Sheena is laying down with both kids right now, watching Hocus Pocus to get them to go to sleep. So that's why she is not here. She may pop in for a little cameo towards the end of the show. If either one of you guys had issues with your kids sleeping at any time here in the past.
00:06:04
Speaker
No, we really didn't dude Zoe was such a good sleeper and I mean we were we are probably the worst parents for not giving our child a set bedtime But dude Zoe's just a good sleeper. She gets up in the morning when she needs to get up So I don't really have anything to worry about with her. That's something we considered man. We had thought about like, you know
00:06:26
Speaker
Because neither one of our kids are in school yet. They're both still a little we're like, why, you know, why are we, why are we fighting this man like why not, and sorry for anybody that's you know, fast forward about three or four minutes you'll get to the wrestling talk if this doesn't interest you right now you know if we're born anybody that just does not want to hear about kids but, you know, we definitely had the thought cross our, our mind that, you know, why fight this when
00:06:48
Speaker
Let's just go straight, like, you know, straight libertarian here. Let them stay up till they stay up and do whatever. But we just noticed anytime our kids stay up late, dude, it's like the next day, it's like they got a hangover on it, man. And they're just fussy all day long. And our kids rise with the sun no matter what. If they go to bed at 7.45 or if they go to bed at 10 p.m., they're up as soon as the freaking sun starts peeking over the hill.
00:07:10
Speaker
That's why we're trying to stick with the set bedtime thing. But yeah, we definitely thought about just ditching the set routine each night. How about you, Marco, with the twins and your little guy, man? Do you guys ever have any issues? Oh, boy. I mean, the good thing is with my son, he was pretty easy for sleeping. The girls are fantastic. They don't wake up at all. Once they're down, they're down.
00:07:34
Speaker
The boys still like that though. He takes forever to fall asleep. He doesn't fuss or anything like that. He just is so wired. I don't know how he does. Once he wakes up, it's just full on energy all day long. He's not tired at the end of the night. I honestly don't get it. The girls are just like, they'll lay down in bed and they'll just pass right out. It's crazy. The girls will do that sometimes. They'll play the, I have to go to the bathroom game.
00:08:04
Speaker
They'll do that for about 20 minutes. I need water. I need something to... We're just like, stop it. You're just prolonging. You're just trying to find any excuse not to go to sleep. Just do it. The girls are good for that. But the boy, man, he just doesn't like to sleep. He can stay up all night if he wants to. It's rough, but I think, especially with school, if you're starting school, it is good to get them in that routine.
00:08:34
Speaker
of a bedtime just so they know like they have to get to bed at a certain time.
00:08:38
Speaker
When they're younger, it's kind of, it is kind of hard because you're not sure whether you should just do that or just like, you know, just let them stay up. Like you guys said, I mean, I've, yeah, plenty. Yeah. Cause it's like, you're expending just so much mental and emotional energy trying to coax them into bed, man. It's like, I felt like if I had one, it would be a little bit easier, dude. Cause like, if sometimes Brett will stay up by himself and it's like, it's chill, you know, he'll just go play with his toys or whatever. I mean, you're sure you're watching TV, but if both kids are up,
00:09:05
Speaker
They're raising hell. They're gonna be screaming making all kinds of noise like making TV requests So yeah, so that's it. Do you guys got anything you need to express feelings on before we get into the wrestling? I Think I'm good this week, man
00:09:20
Speaker
All right, so hopefully you guys hopefully, you know, the parents out there enjoyed that little trip down down parents corner. What we're going to do, we're basically going to work backwards. I think that makes the most sense with what's the most relevant topic of the day, as we sit here on Monday night and record this. So let's start with all out.
AEW Event Highlights
00:09:38
Speaker
You guys want to talk about the event or the aftermath first? I'm kind of thinking maybe go through the event and then we could talk about the insanity that happened afterwards. Yeah, let's talk about the wrestling first. Yeah.
00:09:48
Speaker
So first off, I want to give a shout out to zero hour. I thought the pre-show rock, they gave us four matches that were, they were perfect. Cause really, man, I compare my pay per view to like a nice meal. They were perfect little appetizer, right? All the matches were fun. They offered a little something different and they just kind of got you, got you teased a little bit for the show, man. What'd you guys think of a zero hour? I thought it was awesome. I really enjoyed.
00:10:11
Speaker
the hook in Angela Parker match only because of a huge action Bronson fan. And he came in at the end and saved the day from the Jericho, the Appreciation Society. So that was pretty cool. But like you said, yeah, definitely every match had its own unique theme to it. They didn't all bleed into each other. So I thought that was pretty cool how they kind of differentiate
00:10:41
Speaker
differentiated essentially. But yeah, the only thing I could really think of was a ruby so like that, that gift. I'm not sure if you guys seen it all day. I've pretty much seen it all day. But they did that move and she like pretty much like landed on her neck.
00:10:55
Speaker
Yeah, and then she turned around got her nose broke. Yeah. 30 seconds. She's like a rough night for Ruby, man. Yeah, dude. Me and Seth were texting during this, but I love Zero Hour. I thought it was awesome. Getting a title match on Zero Hour. I don't know, man. I know some people have mixed feelings on this and they feel like it's burying that title. I don't feel that way because anybody can watch it. I mean, you want more eyes on the product.
00:11:21
Speaker
I get it. Like there's probably not very many people that were on the fence of whether or not they're going to order it, right? Like you pretty much knew if you were going to order it, but I still think a lot of people probably watch Zero Hour and didn't order the pay-per-view. So it's good to get a title on there. And dude, Ishii and Eddie Kingston was awesome. I love that match. That match literally and figuratively slapped.
00:11:43
Speaker
Yeah, they just beat they beat the hell out of each other for 15 minutes. And yeah, man, it was a Yeah, zero hour is a major thumbs up from the Chick Foley show.
00:11:54
Speaker
Hook has, I know he started off as a meme, dude. He is growing more and more like up my like rankings of favorite wrestlers, dude. One, I love the kid, man. I think he's got star potential. I think he still needs to bulk up a little bit to be believable from like, you know, the main event or even like upper mid card scene. But I think he's got a ton of potential. He's got the presence, right? That's one of the hardest things to teach. And he's just got that presence when he's in there. He looks dangerous. And he's my son's favorite wrestler, man.
00:12:22
Speaker
My, my wife's, uh, dad, my, you know, my father-in-law, Jerry, he came to stay with us a couple weeks ago and he's an old school wrestling fan, like kind of like your dad Marco, like old school, mid South, like that freaking just Southern wrestling. And we were watching AEW one night when he was hearing hook came out and he was like, who is that guy? He's like, they could have grabbed somebody out of the crowd. It's bigger than him, you know, just can't get over how small the guy is. Yeah.
00:12:43
Speaker
And Brett Amelie, I didn't even know that Hook was on Brett's radar. He snaps up like, no, Hook is tough. Hook can wrestle good. He went in and kicked whoever was his ass. So yeah, I'm loving Hook, man. He's my son's favorite AEW wrestler. I do want to give out, I want to pour out a shot for Kip Sabian. This dude followed Pac around with a cardboard box over his head for like four months all around the world just to lose on the pre-show in less than 15 minutes. That's kind of rough.
00:13:11
Speaker
I didn't hate that, though, honestly, because I just I feel like Pac needs to hold that title for a little bit. But I agree. It was just the pre-show for me, man. I feel like I'm not against the title match on the pre-show, like you said, Jordan, but I feel like Kip Sabian is putting in so much work and effort. Yeah. In this whole storyline. I feel like that could have at least been like the main event on a dynamite or a rampage. You know, I still feel like it has more legs, like the Kip Sabian things not going away anytime soon. So.
00:13:40
Speaker
True, very true. So we had an interesting opening match with the casino ladder match. We could probably fast forward straight to the ending. Marco, what did you think of this group of masked men coming out and basically wrecking the whole match? It was different. It almost reminded me of early Dark Order when they made their debut in AEW. But yeah, I mean, if there was one
00:14:08
Speaker
I don't want to say bad match or match I wasn't really interested in. It was probably this one, which is kind of strange because usually these matches are the ones that are, you know, they're pretty much probably one of the best out of all the matches with the level of talent that they had, obviously. For me, it didn't grab me in the beginning, but obviously at the end when the masked man came down and took the big chip, which I thought it was a ring. Wasn't it a ring at one point?
00:14:37
Speaker
At first, it was the brass ring. Yeah, it used to be the brass ring, and then they switched it to the big poker chip. Yeah, so I mean, because I think everybody was comparing the ring to either Sonic the Hedgehog ring or one of the little hemorrhoid cushions that you can get if you have any problems downstairs. Yeah, I thought it was a thing for Vince McMahon when he was like, yeah, grab that brass.
00:14:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's what they were going for. It was a little end joke on Vince McMahon, but the visual just didn't really translate. I don't think it was worth it for the small percentage of the audience that even got the little joke. Yeah. But other than that, I like the end. I like that kind of set the tone for the rest of the pay-per-view, in my eyes anyway, when that masked assailant. We won't reveal who yet, because let's say spoiler alert, we all know that. I'm joking. But yeah, I thought it was pretty good. Jordan, what did you think of it, man?
00:15:24
Speaker
I don't know, man. It definitely was not my favorite thing. I mean, obviously I'm glad with who they did it with, but there's one thing I want to talk about, about this match. Like there was a moment where Andrade and Rusher literally standing in the ring by themselves and Andrade could have just climbed the ladder and pulled down the chip. And instead they pulled wrestlers into the ring.
00:15:48
Speaker
That part literally baffled me. I was like, what the fuck is he doing? Like he could literally, like Ruch is standing there like waiting for him to climb up to the top and grab the chip. And instead they're like, ah, nevermind. We don't want it anyway. This match. If I can go, if I can go Steven Riegel on you, man, or Lord William Riegel, dude, I think they, uh,
00:16:07
Speaker
I think that they knew, you know, ladder match logic. If you start climbing the ladder, at least two wrestlers are going to instantly recover like that, you know, and they're going to be on your ass. So they were like, you know what? We got to, we got to dish out some more punishment before we, uh, we try to go and get this, uh, get this chip. All right. Kay fable on me. I can respect it.
00:16:26
Speaker
If I had a critique, man, when I, I think the reason why like, you know, Marker, he said this match seemed like it was missing a little bit of juice at the start. I don't think any of the guys outside of the Joker seem like a real threat to win this match and then go win the championship. You know what I mean? Like you think about it in the past, like Adam Page won this match before you got his title shot at Kenny Omega. So this is something we've seen to really propel folks before. And it definitely didn't seem like that. And then the Joker, obviously we all know was MJF.
00:16:55
Speaker
if I could have it was a cool angle right cool visual I like the the use of the Rolling Stones song to kind of allude to some of the stuff that MJF has said in his promos in the past but they it was so obvious it was MJF man he needed to disguise his walk a little bit you know and he could have had somebody else under the mask go grab the chip and then just reveal it later on but it was to me it was obvious it was MJF I mean did you guys have any question at all that it was anybody else underneath there?
00:17:21
Speaker
No, definitely. Yeah, even when he even his entrance into the rank where he doesn't like wipes his foot. Yeah. Did that give a little bop with his walk. Yeah, he just he said he should have just walked out there with no matter. You know, like when Ric Flair was the black scorpion, dude, he didn't he wasn't strutting around like Ric Flair before he got revealed. I know that angle didn't age well. But one good thing about it was like it wasn't obvious that it was Ric Flair until, you know, the night of. Yeah, they could have done a lot better with with MJF. He needs to needs to work on his character.
00:17:49
Speaker
building skills, but uh, he did kind of do a little bit of a good job. He's like kind of doing like, you know, dance moves in the ring. So I kind of threw it off a little bit, but other than that, that walk into the ring where he wipes his feet, that was like a dead giveaway right there for me anyway.
00:18:04
Speaker
MJF back in front of a stable now. So what do you guys think of this? You know Ethan Stokely Hathaway kind of managing them and you got Ethan Page, Lee Moriarty, Morrissey formerly known as Big Cass and the Gunboys. I can't help but feel like this is a downgrade from the pinnacle from you know this time last year.
00:18:24
Speaker
Yeah, I get it though. Like, this is all guys that feel like they're being kind of misused and disrespected by a w like it. It's cool in that sense. I get what you're saying as far as talent level, it's probably not as good. But I don't know, man, I like it. This has had the most story behind it as far as Stokely is concerned. So
00:18:43
Speaker
I like it. I think he'll do good with it. So I'm fine. Yeah. I feel you. Stokely is a charisma machine too. That guy, I was not very familiar with him before he was in NXT as Malcolm Bivens, but that guy, he, you know, he, he just lights up the screen anytime he's out there. Um, and I do like MJF for the gang of goons around him. I don't feel like he's the way he's presented in ring. He needs a little bit of an assist, you know, he has a really good wrestler, but in kayfabe, he's going to need a little bit, you know, he's, he needs some backup out there.
00:19:11
Speaker
So I like him having the stable again I just thought it was funny that they went back to this setup for him so soon after you know The pinnacle kind of dissolved the middle of last year. Yeah Yeah, so let's go to the trios match Jordan. What do you think of the finals for the the trios tournament?
00:19:29
Speaker
as as much heat as this tournament got because I mean I feel like everybody kind of wanted to see how obviously they were on the same side of the bracket so we couldn't get it but everybody wanted to see House of Black versus the elite in the final for for everything that went down I mean the the finals of it was awesome I love this match
00:19:51
Speaker
I saw people are talking about, look how much of a downgrade this is for hangman downgrade dude. He was wrestling against Kenny and the bucks. Like that's not a downgrade. Those are three of the best guys in the world. Like it's not even debatable.
00:20:05
Speaker
And he's got so much that I mean, dude, they're almost on the same level as like Seth Rollins, Roman and you know, mocks slash Dean Ambrose, as far as that, like, no matter what happens, those guys are always going to be linked in storyline, right? Like every time it was hangman and Kenny going face to face in the ring, the crowd was on their feet, like,
00:20:23
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was awesome, man. So I I do agree, though. I feel like even though Hangman was great, I don't know that Alex Jones and John Silver were the best choices to be in the finals for this. I would have rather seen either House of Black or, you know, Will Ospreay and his guys in the finals against these guys. I feel like it would have made for a little bit more epic match. Yeah.
00:20:47
Speaker
We then saw Jay defeat Athena. I was surprised by how short that match was. I was expecting Athena to put up a little bit more of a fight. Yeah, I kind of expected that. I think it was going to be like a huge, like a 20-minute, you know, 30-minute type of match.
00:21:06
Speaker
I feel like they're not trying to overexpose Jade either. They don't want people to be like, Oh, she's not that good in the rank. Cause I mean, let's be honest. She is definitely going to be a star, but she's still pretty green as far as like going for 25 minutes or anything like that. So I think even her matches short at the beginning.
00:21:25
Speaker
Allah Goldberg is a good idea. I mean, we don't need to see her in a 25 minute classic or anything like that, right? Yeah. Yeah. She's had 37 matches. So yeah, she's still just starting out. Fast forward a little bit. How about that tag team match between the acclaimed and sort of in our glory? I had zero hype for this match whatsoever, but that one damn near stole the show. Yeah, I agree totally. Don't agree with everyone's big deal about them not winning and being the acclaimed, not winning.
00:21:55
Speaker
They would call it call it on like you have people out there like that have never run a organization or anything in their lives telling somebody how to call it audible in the middle of a match like it prolongs the story and it makes you want them to win.
00:22:12
Speaker
those titles even more now. Like you said, Seth, you're that perfect candidate. You weren't interested in this match until that match happened. And now you're like, holy shit. Now I hope the acclaimed, they run it back and maybe the acclaimed wins next time. That's what it was supposed to do. They weren't supposed to. I was not expecting this at all. We talked about Jade polishing off Athena in about four minutes. I thought this match was going to be like, you know, five, six minutes long. I did not realize they were going to give us a 22 minute freaking classic.
00:22:40
Speaker
Jordan, were you biting on those false finishes? Man, did you think the acclaimed we're going to walk away with the belt? I thought they had it at, there was a couple of different times I thought they were going to take it home. Um, I don't mind them not winning though, because honestly, like, okay, let's just say they won. Would anybody have remembered that after what happened in the main event and what happened after the show? Nobody would have remembered that. So I feel like them not winning is a good thing.
00:23:05
Speaker
like let them win on a show where people are going to remember it. You know, I'm, I just don't think anybody's going to go back and be like, Oh yeah, there was that acclaimed and a sort of in our glory match. Like, yeah, it was great, but that's not what's going to be remembered from this night. So I'm actually glad they didn't win on this night.
00:23:23
Speaker
All right, so we know Marco is the biggest WWE loyalist among us I think I'm kind of in the middle Jordan you're big on a W defend Luchasaurus Character arc over the last five or six weeks man. What what the hell was what the hell happened there? I Feel like I feel like they kind of back themselves into a corner I feel like jungle boys should not have like a
00:23:48
Speaker
even come back when he did. I don't think that we needed any physical altercations until they actually did an actual match. So I feel like they blew it there. And I absolutely fucking hated this. Like it, this is such a dumb thing. Like they turned Luchasaurus heel, put him on in black and then jungle boy comes back and he's like, Oh, nevermind. I'm, I'm back with him now. And then do it again. It's like,
00:24:12
Speaker
There's no defending this I think they just made a mistake dude I think that like they had it charted out and this was all supposed to happen You know at all out and like somebody fucked up and like on that episode of dynamite They were like, oh shit. We misread this dude. You weren't supposed to do all this shit until you know, yeah
00:24:29
Speaker
Let's just fucking backtrack next week, man. It never made sense because he came out with a new look, which was badass. I love Heel Luchasaurus, man. I love like the scary music, the all black attire and stuff. It was cool. But I just like it would have hit so much harder if we hadn't seen any of that. If he had still been the normal guy that we know and love until, you know, Sunday night, that would have been freaking a super memorable moment. Instead, it's like WTF because you can still kind of see it coming, right? Like it still seemed like that was a story they were going to tell. But
00:24:59
Speaker
I don't know. It was just where this is just a bot store from the job. This was how they could have booked this perfectly. Not to interrupt you. This is how they could have booked this absolutely perfectly. Imagine they would have kept jungle or loot stores face and he brings them out on his shoulders for that match and then drops them off his shoulders.
00:25:18
Speaker
Yeah, perfect setup, man. It's so obvious, man. No one would have seen it coming, dude. And then, and then on Wednesday night, that's when he comes out with the scary music in the all black year, right? Like it was there, man. Like that, they, the story itself, they did it right. It's just the fact that they turn Luchasaurus heel and then turn him back face and then turn him heel again. Like dude, if they would have literally, it was like the snip, snap, snip, snap.
00:25:45
Speaker
all they needed to do the Michael Scott all they needed to do was run this exact story just don't turn luchasaurus heal until last dude I feel like it would have dude it would have got way more heat for luchasaurus
00:26:01
Speaker
It would have got way more babyface sympathy for Jungle Boy. But now everybody just looks dumb. It's like, Luchasaurus, why are you fucking, again, going snip, snap, snip, snap. And Jungle Boy, it's like, dude, why the fuck did you trust this guy? He's still in all black. Did you ever, like, why would you not be like, hey, bro, like, are you going to go back to the, you know, the green, you know, the new music and stuff, dude? Like, you still seem a little emo over here, man. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to fast forward a little bit, but judging from what
00:26:29
Speaker
Tony Khan said at the scrum, I feel like that was like a reaction to what happened on Clash of the Castle, which we'll get to that later on, but I feel like that's what they were trying to go for, that turn on somebody's shock value type of thing, but they already did it, so they kind of played themselves on that one.
00:26:50
Speaker
I mean, did anybody honestly think that going into that pay-per-view even before Clash the Castle that Luchasaurus was not going to turn on Jungle Boy?
00:27:00
Speaker
I think two of our five finalists in the Foley-Pixley, because that was one of the bonus predictions. Two of them said that, no, he's not going to turn heel. I just did not see any chance that he did not turn on him. Yeah, exactly. And now that we mention it, we'll give a salute to Jordan and Sheena. They made it all the way to the finals. The Foley-Pixley gets in our Patreon-exclusive Facebook group. You can join up at chickfoli.com. That's not special at all. Two members of the show.
00:27:30
Speaker
Hey, but two of us also were stuck in the middle of the standings all season long so yeah, they but yeah Sheena and Jordan both made it to the Final five and Jordan was holding the league one into the last weekend and kind of just pissed it away, man
00:27:44
Speaker
Yeah, shit happens. Let's jump to the main event.
CM Punk's Controversial Actions
00:27:49
Speaker
I'll start off before we really go in. I will say one nice thing. I love CM Punk's look for this man, the white trunks and stuff. I'm sure Jeremy Pedauer is already working on it, man, but we definitely need this in figure four.
00:28:05
Speaker
That'll be the first CM Punk figure I've added in my collection in a long time. I thought, I thought he looked like a million bucks. It was definitely championship gear. Jordan, what'd you think of the match?
00:28:15
Speaker
I'll be 100% honest, I was not looking forward to this match at all. Just considering the build for this after what happened 10 days earlier, I was not excited at all. I loved this match, man. I thought it was fun. I thought it brought everything. It was a hard-hitting match. They literally beat the crap out of each other for 20 minutes.
00:28:37
Speaker
I really enjoyed it. I thought it was good. The crowd was into it. Yeah. I mean, I liked everything about it other than the fact that CM Punk won, which honestly, by the end of it, I didn't even mind that. I mean, it's just the way the match floated, it worked out.
00:28:52
Speaker
It was a great match. Yeah, it was a beautiful match, hard hitting. It's kind of hard to reconcile how this dude goes from getting squashed in about three minutes to having put on this 20 minute marathon match. But if you can just get past that and just focus on the build-up action, it was beautiful. Marco, how'd you enjoy the main event? I thought it was good too, but I think that match, that squash match killed it for me more than anything. That match should have never happened.
00:29:22
Speaker
that, um, if that, the interim match should have definitely happened at all out, um, with punk winning. I don't, I, it was kind of like a mess step. I don't get why that even, that even happened. Like why they didn't even do that match. Um, cause I agree. I love mocks. And so I like, I love it just because it let him be the first ever two time AW champion, but I agree. It added nothing. Like that match did nothing for the storyline or anything.
00:29:47
Speaker
Yeah, it kind of killed it for me, but like you guys said, it definitely was a great match between the two. It was just weird seeing like CM Punk just get his ass handed to him just a few days or a week ago. And then, you know, now he's like Superman kicking the shit out of John Mox. It was just weird, but, you know.
00:30:08
Speaker
I feel like the Mox winning that match 10 days earlier was just to solidify the summer that he had. He was the champ champ. I feel like that was the coordination of the summer of Mox is what we're going to call it.
00:30:25
Speaker
I don't know, man. Looking back on it, yeah, it was stupid that they did a straight up squash match and then ran it back 10 days later, but I don't know, man. I feel like that was, that was Mox's reward was they let him be, I mean, that was the focus of that show was him winning that title. So I didn't, looking back on it now, I don't, I don't hate it as much as I did going into this, but I mean, still it's up for argument.
00:30:51
Speaker
Nah, and it's cool cause like, so sometimes when you have those like flash finishes like that, it just reminds you that, hey, anything can happen anytime. I think my issue is that they ran like the injury angle. You know what I mean? With CM Punk hitting that kick and then acting like he, you know, they made it appear to us watching at home like he broke his foot again, right? Yeah.
00:31:07
Speaker
I think it would have been better if they did something akin to like Goldberg and Brock Lesnar at survivors first 2016 where Mox just gets lucky and somehow hits the death rider in the first couple of minutes. You know what I mean? Hits the death rider out of nowhere somehow and then immediately gets him up and hits another one. And then you just call it like a fluke, right? Because that happens. That happens in UFC. That happens in boxing where somebody just catches one. I think that would have been a little bit better story and flowed a little bit more into this match.
00:31:32
Speaker
Either way, it was great. And then we had the the post match angle, you know, lights go out. We hear the voicemail from Tony Khan to MJF. And then MJF comes out and reveals himself, man. I know we were speculating all night. We were thinking that they were going to kind of do some some wrestling, you know, some fuzzy math on the rules and let MJF cash in, man. I honestly thought MJF was going to end up walking out with the belt, you know, either by making the match a triple threat or or just coming out in the main event after the main event saying he wants a shot.
00:32:02
Speaker
Marco, what did you think of all the shenanigans after seeing Punk got the belt back? Yeah, it was interesting. I thought there was a lot more to the show, like you said. I thought something was going to happen. But when he came up with still his, that Gary had on earlier in the night,
00:32:21
Speaker
I was thinking if he didn't take that whole time of the show to actually change it to his gear and stuff like that and maybe come out and do that cash in if you want to use that phrase, then it wasn't going to happen. But that crowd went freaking absolutely bonkers.
00:32:37
Speaker
when he appeared. So just foreshadowing, that's probably one of the other things that pissed Mr. CM Punk off, but we'll get to that shortly. But other than that, yeah, I'm interested to see where this storyline goes. You know, they've already had their storyline earlier this year and stuff like that. So now a belt's involved. So we'll see what happens with that.
00:33:03
Speaker
I wouldn't mind getting a MJF figure with the devil mask also because that was pretty wicked look for him. Be cool. Jordan, what do you think, man? Do you think they were going to find some way to put that belt on MJF on Sunday night? So I thought about this a little bit today. Yeah, I 100% thought MJF was getting the belt last night.
00:33:21
Speaker
They gave punk his moment in front of his hometown fans. So I guess that's what they were going for. And we probably should all saw that coming that they weren't going to take that moment away from him, even though they kind of did with having MJF come out.
00:33:39
Speaker
Like literally you could have told me I a hundred percent know this is happening. I traveled to the future. They were doing MJF chance in Chicago when CM Punk was in the ring and I would have still told you you're full of shit. I thought that moment was, I don't know, man, that's, that's probably the biggest pop they've got since CM Punk came back.
00:33:58
Speaker
It's surreal dude. CM Punk's in the center of the ring holding up the AW Championship and the crowd is chanting MJF. Yeah. MJF. And let's all like think back three months ago, there was a lot of people that were convinced that MJF was not coming back. So the fact that they did it in Chicago right after Punk wins the title back is a man that they finally did some storytelling. So I really enjoyed it and I thought it was cool.
00:34:27
Speaker
Yeah I'm really excited to see where this goes over the next couple months. Yeah good pay-per-view though I wouldn't put it up there and I don't think it's one of their best. It's still solid though. The thing about AEW they've never had a bad pay-per-view. They load these shows down probably a little bit too many matches but
00:34:44
Speaker
If it's only four shows a year, I say just do it, dude. You never want, I mean, these shows aren't cheap. It's 50 bucks a pop to watch these. And I don't think you ever want the viewers to walk away from a show film like they didn't get their money's worth. I'd probably go a B, maybe a B plus for a letter grade on this one. How about you, Marco?
00:35:03
Speaker
Yeah, I'll go with B. I'll go with a B on for like a strong B. That's kind of what I'm thinking. I'm thinking like a really strong B or like a weak B plus. How about you, Jordan? What grade would you give this show? I'm going to go B plus just because of majorly because of the ending. I just thought MJF getting that pop was.
00:35:20
Speaker
I mean, that was like when they used to say, this is a moment like that was definitely something that's going to stick with you for a while that that happened. Yeah, it was a cool I'm a big fan of like they set the hook in that first match and they give the payoff the end of the night. You know, I mean, we had like one storyline throughout the night. Yeah, I was completely good with it. It was fun. Like you said, fun show. You always know you're getting your money's worth when you order an AWW show. So I was good with it.
00:35:49
Speaker
All right. And then let's get to the insanity of the post-show media scrum, which after all the shit that got kicked out last night, I wouldn't be surprised if they just stopped fucking doing these, dude. I mean, it's so CM Punk comes out basically unprovoked, starts burying Colt Cabana, goes in on Hangman, airs out a bunch of dirty laundry with the young bucks. I don't think Kenny was really involved. That sound like it was mostly just the books. Yeah.
00:36:17
Speaker
And Tony Khan sitting there right beside him, Tony Khan, he looked like he was, you know, through gritted teeth, he kind of just sat there and listened to it, but he definitely never piped up to try to do any damage control. He kind of just let CM Punk do his thing. We know, I mean, I'll say it straight up, dude, dude's a mark for CM Punk, right? It feels like Vince and Shawn in 97 is the same as CM Punk and Tony Khan in
00:36:40
Speaker
2022. But it's completely overshadowed anything that happened on the show today. Like that's all the IWC is talking about. You know, is it a work? Is it a shoot? What does this mean for AWS going forward? Jordan, man, just kind of what's your take on this whole situation?
00:37:00
Speaker
I don't know, man, it doesn't do anything for the people that were already thinking CM Punk was a complete asshole. That's definitely not helping his case. Like, like you said, I don't I don't know where this came from, because
00:37:16
Speaker
I understand why he brought up the hangman situation just because that was so fresh and that was only what two weeks ago. I understood why he brought that up. I do not understand why he brought up the Colt Cabana situation. I didn't, I thought that was completely unprofessional that he did that. And then
00:37:36
Speaker
I don't know, man. At some point, I get what you're saying, Tony Khan is a complete CM Punk Mark. But at some point, don't you have to like stand up for, I mean, Jesus, dude, if it wasn't for Kenny Omega, the Bucks and Cody, this company does not exist.
00:37:53
Speaker
100%. Dude, you have to stick up for those guys because I'm sorry, man. If you lose those guys, you've lost the entire foundation of that company and that company is not going to survive without those three guys. Those guys are executive vice presidents, dude. You know, Triple H is licking his chops to get his mitts on the books.
00:38:13
Speaker
in Kenny Omega. If you can't tell me they haven't been paying attention to the treatment of these guys since he went over, if they go over, Adam Cole is going to be right behind him, right? Adam Cole is best friends with those guys. Like, yeah, dude. Freaking hangman, Cody, Kenny, the bucks, Jericho to me, that's the heart and soul of AEW. And then sprinkle some mocks in there, right? Cause mocks was the big reveal at the first pay-per-view. Um,
00:38:37
Speaker
Yeah, I'm with you, dude. And because Jordan, the fact that, like you said, he didn't say anything, that's what makes me think like, maybe this is just a deep work, man. I don't know. What do you think, Marco? Where are you at on the workshoot aspect of this right now? I didn't say anything about who, about...
00:38:54
Speaker
the unprovoked stuff. So the Kolkabana stuff isn't unprovoked at all. That's been a thing that's been brewing for the past month. But when has Kolkabana said anything publicly about CM Punk? No, no, no. So if you guys follow what's been behind the scenes stuff, so apparently Hangman, when he made that comment to CM Punk,
00:39:15
Speaker
That was in reference to how Coca-Man has been treated since CM Punk started with AEW. Yeah, he's been moved over to Ring of Honor. Yeah, he went from being on screen with the Dark Order to not being on screen anymore. So a lot of that stuff people believe.
00:39:33
Speaker
people in the back believe that CM Punk had something to do with Coke Amanda being not utilized at all, basically because of their previous dealings that happened over like 10 years ago. In reference to what CM Punk said, I'm sick and tired of talking about this thing that happened 10 years ago. I haven't talked to this guy in 10 years. I don't know. So that was his front
00:39:57
Speaker
Yeah, but my thing is Colt Cabana has said nothing publicly. CM Punk's airing out dirty laundry about that. It's talking about how his mom, him and his mom share a bank account. Dude, my dad's on my bank account, man. That's just because whenever I set it up at 18, my dad helped me set up my first bank account and I've just never changed it, man. He went in on that and was talking about how
00:40:21
Speaker
They subpoenaed Colt Cabana's mom, like he thought that was going to make him look good. And then Colt Cabana said, hey, can we drop this afterwards? Like, I don't know. I don't know what reason there was for airing that out other than you're just the biggest fucking asshole in the world. Yeah. So my thing is, I think there's a, you know, just from those tidbits with the, you know, the behind the scenes stuff, I think there's a lot more that goes into this, which leads me to believe that this is not
00:40:44
Speaker
a work. It's definitely a shoot. He's definitely shooting. I don't, I don't see what he's, if you followed CM Punk's career, you should be not surprised that he is an asshole. That's a straight up what he is. It's not an excuse for who he is. It's just who he is. And from what I gather with him, if he likes you, um, then he's like, you're good with him. Like that's, you know, you're his friend and then that's it. But if you like cross him in any way,
00:41:14
Speaker
Um, I think that's when he like loads on people. That's what I mean, from following him from his whole career. That's, that's what I've seen is basically anyone that gets in his way. Um, he's just gotta bury the shit out of you and make himself look good. That's pretty much, I don't, I don't get why people are so surprised at what he said.
00:41:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's just, it's just, that's who this guy is. And he's being put up as the top guy in AW. Like Phil, either Jordan Markov, try man if I'm wrong. I've never heard of anybody else besides CM Punk having beef with Cole Cabana. Everything I've seen, Cole Cabana is a super fun, loving, nice guy. People love him.
00:41:51
Speaker
I've never seen anybody having beef with hangman page. Everything we see in the public eye hangman seems like one of the most genuine Like nice guys out there and I haven't really seen anybody say they have beef with the books dude Like some people complain about how the way they wrestle but Matt and Nick both seem super nice I know I know Matt and Nick and both messaged with Sheena a bunch on IG and stuff like thanking her for promoting their stuff and everything Yeah, dude, I
00:42:18
Speaker
To me, like CM Punk's had issues with everybody he's ever worked with, man. It's like that old saying, like, if you run into an asshole in the morning, then you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, then you're the asshole. You know what I mean? And to me, CM Punk is just an asshole. That is just the word I would use to describe him. He also seems like one of those dudes if like, because he mentioned this a lot about like not taking advice.
00:42:40
Speaker
Like, if you guys watch it, he talked about how the younger wrestlers don't take advice from the older, which you should. Like, for me, you don't walk into a company and think you know everything. Like, you start a new job, you don't know everything. You gotta learn from everybody. And then, obviously, you'll take what you learn from those people and you create your own lane or whatever. So I get what he's saying with that. But to...
00:43:07
Speaker
You know, just like, flat out, just, just berate people because they don't do that. It's like, unless they're doing it a lot, unless they're like doing it in front of people and, you know, they're making, you know, the legends that are working there look like pieces of shit. Like if Art Anderson walks up to one of the young bucks and says, Hey, I was watching a match, maybe you should do this. And they're like, fucking get out of here, old man. I want to listen to you.
00:43:29
Speaker
If they're doing that, then yeah, I think it's warranted. But if it's just like, you know, CM Punk trying to give advice, and they're like, fuck you, I hate you, CM Punk, and he takes it personal, that's on him, for me, personally. Anyway, like, they don't want to take your advice. Stop crying about it. They don't like you. That's pretty much what it is. I mean... I feel like... I don't know, man. It's just...
00:43:53
Speaker
if if what they are saying online today is true and Nick Jackson got knocked out by somebody throwing a chair after when this scuffle happened like dude Tony Khan is gonna have to pick a side he cannot play both sides on this like I'm sorry if he picks a side other than the young bucks and Kenny Omega he's a complete idiot I just
00:44:14
Speaker
I get it, dude. CM Punk sells tickets. I get it. Dude. At some point you have to have some fucking morals and this dude is clearly an asshole who has no problem airing his shit out on post scrums. Like I don't know, man. I just, if, if Tony Khan is as much of an idiot as everyone's making him out to be, he truly lets Kenny Omega and the young bucks walk.
00:44:38
Speaker
they should burn this fucking company to the ground. I'm dead serious. I don't care what anyone says about the young bucks and Kenny Omega, say what you want about the way they wrestle, dude, Kenny Omega, whatever. We're not going to get into this talk right now. If he's not number one, he's the number two wrestler in the world.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. Dude, you're an idiot. This is your meal ticket and you're siding with a guy who
AEW's Internal Conflicts & Comparisons
00:45:02
Speaker
literally got himself kicked out of WWE, whatever. He took his ball and went home 10 years ago and now he's doing the same shit again now. Dude, at some point, somebody's got to say something and be like, hey, dude, this is not okay. This is not your company. It's my company.
00:45:17
Speaker
Yeah. Bro, you gave me goosebumps with that take, dude. Yeah, I agree 100%, man. The other thing, dude, Kenny and the Bucks were worldwide superstars when they came in. They didn't win the belts when they first showed up. They were putting people over left and right, man. Kenny put Hangman over. Kenny made Hangman a main eventer.
00:45:37
Speaker
Who is CM Punk put over since he showed up? He talked about when I worked with Young Talent to help him out. He's gone over everybody since he showed up, dude. I think TK is just a hardcore mark for this guy, man. I think the age lines up, right, that he was right in the wheelhouse during CM Punk's prime in WWE for CM Punk to be like his dude.
00:45:57
Speaker
And I think that once he got him re-signed, that was obviously a huge gift for AEW, getting this guy out of a seven year hiatus to come back and wrestle. And I think he's just infatuated with him, man. I legit think that AEW is in a much worse place after the year of seeing Punk in the company than they were before, man. And it makes me sad because I loved AEW, man. I fucking loved AEW so much.
00:46:24
Speaker
I don't want to watch it as much why this guy is on top of the company, man. And it bums me out. You know what he does too a lot? When I noticed, I watched that whole scrum for Tony Cobb. He seems like he, obviously he owns a company, right? He owns AEW, but he doesn't run it. There's a difference between those two things. So it seems like he owns a company, but when it comes to just sitting next to CM Punk and letting him say whatever, he doesn't run it.
00:46:52
Speaker
If he was like the legit boss, he would have got up and said, hey, that's you shouldn't be talking about that on like, you know, something just like, you know, try to cut him off a little bit. Don't he apologize to see him during it? Did you did you guys hear this? Well, it was horrible. It's like, well, why the you're the boss? You don't you would Vince McMahon sit next to fucking like anyone, any one of those guys, not even know we did apologize for something.
00:47:19
Speaker
I saw somebody on Twitter they said that they said CM Punk is Hollywood Hulk Hogan and Tony Khan is Eric Bischoff and I was like dude fucking nailed it man because right now AW reminds me so much of like 1999 WCW with just you know the inmates are running the asylum
00:47:36
Speaker
the backs, you know, there's all kinds of like work shoot stuff that they try to do. And it just creates confusion, right? That's the thing I, you know, I'm still not convinced either way. If this is if it's a shoot, then it's just unprofessional and ugly, right? If it's a work, it's just confusing because it doesn't make sense with anything else we've seen on screen, right?
00:47:55
Speaker
There's been no on screen in kayfabe. There's been absolutely no interaction or mention of CM Punk and Colt Cabana. So why would you even make that part of the storyline now? And like, dude, he didn't even mention MJF, right? MJF made this super dramatic, epic return. Like he should have been talking about MJF at the end of the show. I don't think MJF got mentioned in the whole freaking scrum. No, he didn't. That's why I think it's a shoot. I just saw it at work. Because if it was a work, he would have thrown in MJF at some point.
00:48:23
Speaker
He did, well he did, they did talk about like, you know, the future, you know, world title match between the two. And he goes, and Tony Khan's like, yeah, it's going to happen. And then CM Punk said something like, oh, because he likes, he likes me to work with pricks, that's why. And then, and then fucking, Tony Khan's face, like, fucking, he just like did this, like close his eyes or did this swallow? Like, like, fucking, like he was just like, he literally, he wanted to say something, but like you said, he's kind of such a mark for the dude and,
00:48:53
Speaker
That has no balls, essentially, if you want to put it that way. I mean, like, I mean, I have no I've never ran a business in my life. But him, him just, he just succumbs to like, anything like when when Swervin Lee were out there doing their part, and they're talking about like, you know, they someone legit asked a question, hey, did you see people on Twitter saying that you guys should have called it called an audible?
00:49:17
Speaker
and had the acclaimed win. So they actually brought that up, you know, as they're talking about this win. And then, and then Tony kind of goes, yeah, I think that, I think a grand slam, I think we're going to run it back. Maybe that's a good idea. Right, guys? And they both look at him like, what the fuck are you talking about? That's, we didn't agree to this. Like, why, why are you just like, we just let this match simmer. Let this like, people call this the greatest match. Like, let them bask in the glory. Not to, you know, no pun.
00:49:44
Speaker
But like, and the thing is, like, dude, you know, Swerve and Keith Lee, they got to keep the belts. The claim didn't come out of the night any worse off for losing the claim leveled up on Sunday night. Exactly. But going back to going back to punk, dude, I'll say this, man, if Colt Cabana is not swinging on this motherfucker on site.
00:50:02
Speaker
He is a better man than me, dude. We've seen CM Punk fight for real, dude. It ain't nothing to be intimidated by, dude. If I'm boom, boom Colt Cabana, CM Punk just hit my terminate on site list, man.
00:50:17
Speaker
Speaking of which, supposedly there was a skirmish between the Bucks and CM Punk afterwards. Jordan, what do you make of all that, man? Yeah, I mentioned it that Nick Jackson apparently got hit with a chair and got knocked out. So I don't know, man. Again, Tony Khan better pick a fucking side because I'm telling you right now, Young Bucks leave and Kenny Omega leaves. That company's doomed. I don't care what anyone says. That company is doomed. Losing Cody is already bad enough. Say what you want about him.
00:50:47
Speaker
They cannot lose young bucks and Kenny Omega or else that company's doomed. Cody looks like a fucking genius for walking out when he did at this point, man. I feel like this has been going on a really long time and I feel like that's why Cody left. I feel like he could see it happening because
00:51:04
Speaker
It's pretty clear that Tony Khan has no idea what he's doing half the time, maybe 90% of the time. Dude, I think he's a kid, dude, it seems like in, I don't know if he's got anything like, you know, he's on the spectrum or whatever, like Tom said on the turnbuckle debate.
00:51:19
Speaker
one time, but like there's clue, he's clearly not normal, right? He doesn't just his mannerisms and the way he acts, he doesn't seem like a normal dude. Like how we do, man. I mean, I really, everybody does feel like this is a super rich kid, right? It's a fucking billionaires kid, which is awesome, dude. Like, yeah, obviously we all wish we could be in that position. And it seems like he's running a fig fed dude, right? Like he's like, Oh, I got my new action figure, dude. Let me book this guy. I want to know when the belt, you know, and like,
00:51:45
Speaker
It's like how we imagine we would run. It really does seem like a fan is running it, you know what I mean? But there's real life people and personalities and real life shit that goes into it behind the scenes. Yeah, I know. I know Chad on Turnbuckle Tavern. You know, we got we got a pod foundation group chat we have going, but we're getting some pretty heated discussions. He was saying he's, you know, more into AW than ever after this. And I get that because there's like that guilty pleasure aspect where it is intriguing. Right. Anybody that says this stuff isn't at least intriguing.
00:52:16
Speaker
They're lying because you want to see what's gonna happen next right and you want to see if you need this backstage chaos spills into what's on screen and and vice versa, but Even that being said I prefer when I watch wrestling dude, I like to sit down and even though I hope it doesn't sound too corny But I like to go back just being a 10 year old kid watching Monday Night Raw and like just suspend my disbelief and let me just watch some pro wrestling and be entertained by what's on the screen and
00:52:42
Speaker
I don't know. What do you, what about you, Jordan? Are you, are you, does the backstage stuff like, does it do it for you, man? Or is this shit turn you off? So I'm with you. Like I want to just sit there and be entertained when I'm watching it. The problem is, is the internet dirt sheets and all that stuff has made it so that you can't do that anymore. Like stuff comes out no matter what.
00:53:04
Speaker
I don't know man, I feel like there's a lot of money to be made off of this if they do it the right way. But again, I mean, this can't happen every time they have a pay review or a media scrum like this, this can't be a normal thing because at some point it's going to get old and it's going to be like, Jesus, this is WCW 1999 and that cannot happen because
00:53:26
Speaker
I mean, when WCW went down, it went down quick. Like it wasn't like a short death. It was quick. I mean, it wasn't a long death. It was a quick death.
00:53:35
Speaker
Yeah, they went from being on top, like doing numbers nobody had ever seen before to being out of business three years later, man. Like, yeah, it was very fast. Yeah, they got to be careful. And I don't know, man, I'm interested. Chad is not wrong. This is going to be interesting to see how it unfolds, because Tony Khan is not going to be able to keep this all under wraps at this point now. If he's going to keep under wraps, he could have done it last night, but it's too late for that now. Yeah.
00:54:03
Speaker
Yeah, that was insanity, man. No media scrubs from now on, Tony. If you listen to this, or any AEW people listen to this, stop with the media scrubs, especially Tony Storm, just fucking Barry and Thunder Rosa, too. Did you see that?
00:54:20
Speaker
No, what did she say? She uh, so basically they asked her so the whole her whole Leaving cuz she's injured was obviously there's everyone saying it's uh, it's you know, she's not really injured She just didn't want to put her that she just didn't want to put Tony storm over that that first time they had that match. I
00:54:37
Speaker
So she said, uh, they asked her about, she goes, well, when she's, you know, back from her, her injury, um, she can come back and she can lose to me. Like she was going to do before or something like that. So basically like, you know, in quotations, like her injury, like she can just come back and lose to me when she's, when she's ready to come back or something like that. So that's one, I don't mind that they're bringing that to the forefront because
00:55:02
Speaker
Dude, it's pretty freaking obvious that the girls in back do not like Thunder Rosa. I don't think they like each other. I don't think they like each other. Thunder Rosa has been accused of tanking multiple matches and Tony Storms was one of them. And then apparently Jamie Hader was about to beat her ass backstage and she hid in the bathroom until everyone heard about that. So dude, I don't know. Thunder Rosa is not coming out of this looking like a rose per se. This is not good for Thunder Rosa.
00:55:29
Speaker
Yeah. I don't mind that as much either. Like, I don't mind like the blurring the lines, right? Like between like the, what, what's real life and what's K-fabe. Cause that's when wrestling is great. It's when you just straight up fucking pissing on the line and jumping across and like seeing bug when I get turned off a little bit.
00:55:45
Speaker
We've already gone way too long on this show. We're approaching the hour mark. When we were kind of game planning this thing before, we said it was going to be a little bit of a shorter episode since, since Sheendaw, you know, we don't got the crown jewel. We don't got the star, the engine that powers this whole thing with us tonight. But we're about an hour deep. So before we go to the beverage break, I'm going to put it on Marco. Just give us a straight yes or no. Is MJF going to win the AW Championship at Fool Gear?
00:56:12
Speaker
I'm gonna I'm gonna say yes judging Depending on what happens From now and see if I mean, I didn't mean the company for all we know Yeah, I'm gonna say if it's if you know just by going by what Jordan is saying, you know They definitely he definitely has to that's me a choice a line drawn on the sand as they say And if this gets any worse or gets any more out of hand Leaning up the full gear. Yeah, he's yeah, I think I think MJF is
00:56:39
Speaker
He's not winning it at full gear. He's winning it at Grand Slam in two weeks. With the New York home craft dead serious dude that that's going to be the biggest crowd they're going to have the rest of the year that that stadium is gigantic. And that's MJF hometown dude. They're pulling the trigger now.
00:56:58
Speaker
Did we see CM Punk come back after that or is that good? I think we're watching the final days of CM Punk because if Tony Khan really is a jackass and he doesn't pick a side, then no, we're not seeing the final days of CM Punk, which I don't think he's a complete jackass and he knows what he has to do. So I feel like we're watching the final days of CM Punk.
00:57:19
Speaker
Damn. Fuck, dude. You just got me hyped for Grand Slam, dude. I think, Jordan, I think you need to swing in from Omaha and pick me up. Let's go up. Marco, you meet us in New York, man. We'll fucking do it up, dude. Oh, my God. All right. That was a... I was not expecting us to go an hour deep on AW, man, but that was a fun conversation. Let's have a drink and bring it down a notch.
00:57:56
Speaker
All right, it's time for the weekly beverage break where we tell you guys what we are sipping on while we podcast. Marco, you can get started, man. What are you drinking?
Beverage Break & Tyler Bate Discussion
00:58:04
Speaker
I am sipping on a Broken Skull IPA, an old favorite of the Chick Foley show. I haven't seen these around in a while, so decided to stop in one of the local liquor stores and see if there was any hanging around. And lo and behold, it was there, so glad I got it.
00:58:25
Speaker
I have no, that's basically the official craft beer, the Chick Foley show. I think Miller White's kind of our official basic beer. Yeah, I'm with you, dude. There's nowhere local for me to get it. So I'm probably gonna get on craft shack here in a little bit and just order like, you know, like three or four cases of it, man, to get stocked up for a while to help cover on that expensive shipping. Jordan, what are you drinking, man?
00:58:48
Speaker
Jordan is gonna disappoint this week so man I have drank from Friday night until today at about six o'clock I had a fancy draft today I was drinking double makers and coke so Jordan is drinking Gatorade and water right now because my body is shutting down
00:59:07
Speaker
Wow, man. I have never known. I've been friends with this guy for 11 years. I've never known him to, uh, to turn down a drink. So that had to just be a hellified weekend of drinking. I mean, dude, I went to the Husker game. That was about a 12 hour drinking session on Saturday. Yesterday I drank from basically 10 o'clock in the morning till two o'clock in the morning. And then today I drank double makers and Cokes all day. So
00:59:30
Speaker
My body is hurting badly. I'm like sweating just sitting here. Like if we were on video right now, like I basically am just sitting here just drenched in sweat right now. Do you get, you got the tarp off, dude, or you still got your shirt on? There's no tarp on brother. Like I barely got shorts on right now.
00:59:55
Speaker
But I had dressed up a little bit to go down to the neighbors because they got a pool. So most of the time when I'm down there, I'm in like swimming trunks in a t-shirt area and we went down there for a little cookout tonight. I was like, Oh, let me put on some real clothes. I came back and I was getting changed into, you know, some comfy cozies, the podcast. And I briefly considered going just in the boxer brief, Steve, but I did throw some shorts on, man. So I'm rocking the ACE Ventura chocolate and chores, but yeah, I'm sure it was too, dude. So we got some, there's some definite man meat in the, in the air for this podcast.
01:00:22
Speaker
We're getting the fucking testosterone flowing. I'm sure the listeners, the testosterone is coming through the fucking earphones right now, which is me and Jordan and Marco here. I'm drinking Ghost River Brewing Company. It's called Ghost River Gold. It's just their standard golden ale. They're a crap brewery here in Memphis, and this is basically like their trademark beer.
01:00:42
Speaker
It's pretty standard, but it is 6% alcohol, so it hits pretty hard. And yeah, it's going to get me powered through the rest of this show. NXT Worlds Collides. So this is the end of NXT UK. I feel guilty, man, that NXT UK is going away because I loved what I watched. The few NXT UK takeovers were always awesome to me.
01:01:05
Speaker
And the times that I would remember to watch the weekly show, it was great. It was just right exactly in my niche of wrestling that I liked. But even that being said, I forgot to watch it most weeks. What about you guys, man? Marco, what was your NXT UK intake? Did you ignore it? Did you just forget about it? What was your deal?
01:01:28
Speaker
I didn't forget about it. I tried to catch it as much as I could. I'll be honest, it definitely wasn't on my rotation of shows, obviously with AEW and Raw, SmackDown. But yeah, for what I did watch and what I did keep up with, it was amazing, dude. I think I've always said- I loved it, man. I've always said it was like, if you were disappointed what WWE was doing at the time,
01:01:58
Speaker
Um, you know, before, you know, when VKM was in charge, um, you could definitely watch, um, NXT UK and get that, like, that wrestling you needed. Um, it was, it wasn't like sports and it wasn't sports entertaining. Um, it was more like, you know, it was more, more wrestling base, more professional wrestling base on that show. So, uh, yeah, I know it definitely, it definitely is. It definitely does suck that it's gone, man.
01:02:21
Speaker
Yeah, man, I came up on Southern Wrestling like NWA like USWA Saturday morning wrestling and stuff. I've always been a fan of like small stories, right? Like give me a few that last three or four weeks. It doesn't always got to be some grand spectacle, man. And it just, I don't know, that's kind of like my sweet spot. Jordan, how about you? Were you a big NXT UK fan?
01:02:44
Speaker
man, the beginning of it, I watched a ton of it because those first 20, 25 episodes, that was just straight up British strong style wrestling. Like dude, there was some straight up slappers in there, um, watching Walter, uh, Tyler bait. I mean, dude, they, they stacked those early shows. It was so good. COVID did this show, no favors at all, man. It just, cause I mean, they just stopped doing them. Like they weren't doing anything. So.
01:03:14
Speaker
I don't know. It sucks that it's over and I wish I would have spent more time actually watching it other than those first 20, 25 episodes because you guys are right, man. There was a lot of good wrestling there and anytime those guys would come over to NXT USA, they always impressed. It sucks that it's gone, but I get what they're doing.
01:03:36
Speaker
I feel like it's a, that'd be like a nice little thing to binge watch, right? Like if you, you know, five or 10 years from now, if you want to go back, just starting, you know, starting 2018 or I can't remember if it was 18 or 19 when the weekly show started and just basically binge watch the entire NXT UK history. Cause it was really cool. I don't know what this NXT Europe is going to end up being, if it even ends up being a thing, but it's got a sport cut out for it to live up to.
01:04:02
Speaker
to UK. Ricochet and Carmelo Hayes, man, dude, that was, I think that's like a low key. I don't think it's going to win, but that was a hell of a, that was a match of the year contender. I think that was priced to me, second to a match. We're going to talk about on the next show for, for match of the weekend. Like I thought they freaking rock the house. They, they, they, I said, I was like, this, I mean, that should have been the, I mean, obviously, you know, you want the, you want the, you know, the main
01:04:31
Speaker
Champion on last night that could have definitely been a main event or a co-main event
01:04:36
Speaker
Um, that, that match right there. I mean, you do, you're going to get something special with both of those guys. Um, and when you, my thing is when you, when you put ricochet in those, in that like situation and those, that element, dude, he's in a fucking show improve, dude. Like he, even, even on a, when he was on NXT, they did, they did some promo work, um, before that match. He, he was actually good on the mic. Like he's, he's definitely improving a lot, a lot more, but that match, man, if, if you don't, if you're not a believer in ricochet,
01:05:05
Speaker
I have to see in that match. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Carmelo, I mean, that dude's a he's a he's a future champion, dude. He's put him up there with Montez, dude, as far as the WWE championship at some point. Yeah, that was an awesome match. I want a part of me going into it. I thought Ricochet was going to win just because Carmelo is so main roster ready. He's probably right out there with Braun and Tyler Bate is like the next guy's ready to go for our Smackdown.
01:05:34
Speaker
Yeah, just hell of a match. We saw Mandy Rose become the unified women's championship match. Like, dude, she's on the helmet right now. She's closing in on a year with the belt. Jordan, what do you think, man? We know that she's still got some shortcomings in ring. Do you think that she can translate and go up to a Raw or SmackDown, or is she just going to be an NXT superstar for the foreseeable future?
01:05:59
Speaker
Yeah, man, I just you're a women's wrestling expert. So we're trusting your opinion on this. Dude, I feel like she's gotten obviously 10 times better than what she was on the main roster. Like, I feel like her moveset has gotten so much better.
01:06:14
Speaker
She just she just looks more comfortable in the ring. And I feel like NXT kind of has helped her so much, just like her style of the way she wrestles. I don't know if she's going to translate to the main roster, though. I just have a bad feeling that she would get lost in the shuffle again. I mean, she's like the ideal like attitude here at Diva, though, right? I mean, dude, she's gorgeous and she can wrestle. I mean, it
01:06:42
Speaker
It sucks, but because I do think she'll get lost when she gets called up again, because this has been a spectacular run. And yeah, I went back and watched that match and it was really, really good.
01:06:52
Speaker
Yeah, she's improved a lot in ring. Um, but yeah, she, she kind of feels perfect for NXT 2.0. She kind of fits that vibe. So I wouldn't be mad at her staying down there, but if I had my way, I would have her get called up, not just a raw or smack down. I want her on AW dynamite. I want her on rampage. I want her on NJPW strong NWA power, basically anywhere they're broadcasting, wrestling, get Mandy Rose on screen for about five minutes and I'm going to be watching man. Yeah.
01:07:21
Speaker
Let's go to the main event, Tyler Bate and Braun Breaker. What'd you guys think of this match?
01:07:27
Speaker
It was good. It's hard hitting. Dude, Tyler Bate can wrestle anybody. I'm convinced. They can put him in there with a board and I'm going to somehow be entertained. Dude, Tyler Bate's awesome. I really, really hope that that dude gets called up to the main roster eventually because I do feel like he can do some stuff. I don't feel like he's going to be a main champion, but intercontinental and US title runs are definitely, they seem like that would be in his future because that dude's awesome.
01:07:55
Speaker
I think it could be, dude, I agree and I'd double down. I think he could be a world champ, dude. I thought that he was, I was expecting him to win just because bronze seems so main roster radio that he was getting called up. But since he lost, dude, put him on raw or Smackdown this week, man. I love Tyler Bate. I've been a fan of his since 2017 when he emerged as the first, the first mixed to UK champ.
01:08:17
Speaker
dude can go I you know me and she was talking about it all the time I'm like I don't know how he hasn't gotten called up already he can go he's good on the mic he's amazing in ring and he's just got that natural charisma I feel like people will root for him you know even it's always a little bit of a uphill battle battle for a foreigner yeah but I feel like people will get behind him as a baby face on the main roster easy
01:08:39
Speaker
I totally agree with that, definitely. I mean, you can't overlook Bron Breaker either. That dude's definitely like, he's grown ever since he's taken that title, dude. His in-ring works definitely got a lot better. He definitely looks a lot more solid to in-ring. I mean, that can't get overlooked as well.
01:08:59
Speaker
I want to say one thing about Bron and I kind of have started to notice it lately and I might be completely off on this. I feel like he needs to stay in NXT a little bit longer because if you notice the matches that I don't want to say he struggles, but he doesn't look as good as against the bigger guys. He wrestles really well against those like average size guys. You know, I mean, I'm not saying like you can only wrestle well against small guys, but
01:09:24
Speaker
I feel like he's still pretty green. So like there's still a lot of things he needs to work on. So I feel like him staying in NXT is the right move for now. Oh, yeah. Because I don't know, man, I just I don't think that him and just the bigger guys is gonna is gonna hit the same on the main roster like
01:09:44
Speaker
I mean, a little spoiler alert, but Bron came back tonight and I, dude, I can't imagine Strowman and Bron breaker wrestling right now. I just do that. I feel like Bron breaker would just get destroyed. Yeah. He still needs a little bit of work. He's super green. I, me, my biggest thing
01:10:02
Speaker
I just want to name change, dude. He was going by Rex Steiner on the Southern Indies before he got snapped up by NXT. I feel like Rex Steiner hit so much harder than Bronzebreaker, man. I feel like that's just a really great ring name. And it calls back to his heritage with his dad and
WWE Event Analysis & Controversies
01:10:18
Speaker
his uncle. Yeah, they don't own those naming rights. Like, dude, Jesus, just give the people what they want. He can be a Steiner. He doesn't have to be
01:10:27
Speaker
I mean they don't have to name Rick Steiner jr. Like dude it just fine They brought Rick Steiner on screen. So they've established that he's a Steiner they allude to you know His his music is like an homage to Scott Steiner's interest music like dude I just feel like Rex Steiner is an awesome ring name as opposed to brawn breaker which sounds like a fucking Marvel character Breaker of chains
01:10:55
Speaker
All right. It feels like it's about a week and a half ago at this point, but let's go all the way back to Saturday with Clash of the Castle. First off, hats off to Cardiff. Dude, they packed the house. The arena looked great. I don't think they had half of it tarped off like at SummerSlam. I think that was a full sellout. What'd you think, Jordan?
01:11:12
Speaker
Yeah, it was definitely a full sellout. Crowd looked great. They can't wait as long next time to go back to the UK for a pay-per-view because, man, they put it down, dude, and UK fans get into their wrestling. So I hope they do it again.
01:11:28
Speaker
Yeah, I've been watching that on the so I still prefer the old WWE Network. But one cool thing about peacock, they put those like curated collections on there. And I've been kind of binging the across the pond. So I've watched like rebellion 2002.
01:11:44
Speaker
machine to watch insurrection 2001 like Yeti those UK paper views like they're always kind of like glorified house shows but it's so much fun because the crowd is is just super hyphen and I agree I'm down for once a year dude if we're giving the freakin Saudis a show once a year we can go to the UK once a year right hey do you guys think so since you brought up the Saudi thing do you guys think now that Vince is no longer in charge those start to fade away a little bit
01:12:10
Speaker
Yeah, I'll say money talks bullshit walks man. I think they're still going to Saudi dude, but do you think there's two a year? I don't know I think it's gonna be once a year dude once a year get that money And just keep it moving and I think it'll be less of a focus on it. I think
01:12:25
Speaker
they'll still probably be presented as like a big deal, but I think once it comes to it, it'll be like a glorified house show. It's just a bad look doing business with the Saudis. Yeah, they have won this year, right? Is it after Survivor Series? Yeah, they're doing Crown Jewel again, right? Yeah, I think it should be before Survivor Series. We should have extreme rules in the Saudi Show and the Survivor Series. I think they have to finish out that contract.
01:12:51
Speaker
that they had, or I think this might be the last show for the year. This is the last. This is the last show is is the contract has not been re-signed yet. That's why. So I don't think it might not happen then if they haven't. You got to remember, man, there are publicly traded company needs if they weren't publicly traded. Yeah, I think they'd probably pass because it's bad optics, right? Just because Saudi, you know, without going too much into it, there's just a whole lot of.
01:13:15
Speaker
Negative stuff that comes into doing business with those guys. But at the end of the day, their number one responsibility is turning in a profit for their shareholders and did the Saudi checks cash, man. Those checks, those checks ain't balancing, dude. Those checks are heavy. So we'll see.
01:13:31
Speaker
And yeah, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see what happens with it. I wouldn't be shocked to see that arrangement continue though, because it has been pretty profitable for WWE the past few years. Sheamus and Gunther went at it.
01:13:46
Speaker
Fucking rocked a first off hats off to good there bring him back Giovanni Vinci the former Fabian Hner for the to reform Imperium. I thought it was so cool having him in shame. It's just going eye to eye while all the goons are brawling around side by side And then that match just fucking rocked. I think that was Seamus's best match ever Marco, what'd you think of this one? Oh, man, that was that wasn't the lead for a match of the week natural the weekend
01:14:14
Speaker
for me anyway, out of all the shows that were on during the weekend. I think I said this on the rawdown too, when we were kind of previewing it, I was like, you're going to need Tylenol and probably Ibuprofen after watching that match. Just watching it was, you're going to get the shit kicked out of you. And I was not wrong. They literally did a number on it. Seamus' chest was awful. It was gross.
01:14:41
Speaker
It was almost like Cody level swelling at one point. Not as bad as Cody's, but it was pretty bad. Just to get two brutes in there like that that can actually wrestle first and foremost. At the same time, they can go with the brawling thing too as well. I was thinking about this too. You don't give Seamus enough credit.
01:15:06
Speaker
uh he's been really good for a long time he's consistent dude like he's he and another person too like obviously he wasn't on this pay-per-view but but the biz he's kind of like the biz of the sense where they're so consistent um and you you just kind of second for granted after a while you just expect them to do what they're going to do but like they've been showing improvement like the matches that the biz has had
01:15:26
Speaker
on Monday Night Raw not to like take this away from Sheamus but he's been he's been killing a dude you would think him and AJ Salz would be a good matchup and he they fucking proved us wrong with that same thing with Sheamus like you can literally he's one of those guys you can put him in the ring with anybody and you're gonna get like you're gonna get a good match out of them I mean I don't think he's had a like him like a bad bad match at all in my in my opinion anyway and this just proves it
01:15:52
Speaker
Jordan, where do you think Seamus is going to fall out like all time legacy wise once he hangs up the boots? I mean, this is the tough thing because like, like Marco was just saying, he is definitely underrated for what he does. I really felt like this would have been a perfect retirement match for him. Honestly, just him getting the standing ovation at the end and stuff.
01:16:18
Speaker
He, he's a great wrestler. I feel like he kind of suffers from the era he came up, you know, he had his peak and that like 2010 to 2012 era that I don't think he's really looked back on very fondly at all by wrestling fans. And the bigger, the biggest problem is like, nobody really cared about him at that point either is the bigger problem.
01:16:38
Speaker
Um, we always, we knew it was Triple H's guy, but I mean, that's basically all we knew about him. I've liked Seamus from the beginning. I thought he's, um, his character has always been good. I've enjoyed him as far as bigger dudes go. Um, I mean, for WWE top 50 for bigger guys.
01:17:00
Speaker
Yeah, I could see that he's like, he's in the, I don't know if he's like an all time great. He's like an all time good. Yeah. He's, I mean, he's probably 40 ish for, for bigger guys. Like, I mean, shit for Irish wrestlers. He's definitely in the top five. I mean, if you look at his stats, he's great, dude. You remember it was a, it was about a year, maybe a year and change. We had a big argument in the group chat about Seamus or the British bulldog, right? Like we had, there was one camp.
01:17:29
Speaker
You guys remember that epic pod foundation debate, dude, where it was like, cause Seamus has got the stash, right? He's a world champ multiple times. He's won money in the bank, won, you know, intercontinental championship, US championship, or no, he's missing the intercontinental, but he's won the US championship.
01:17:44
Speaker
had a hell of a tag team run with Cesaro, but it's like, what moments do you think of with Seamus? You know, and I, that's why I said, you know, Bulldog, I'd still put Bulldog over Seamus. I don't know. Yeah. Seamus is a weird one because his resume, if you just look on paper, he's like an
Wrestler Career Discussions
01:18:01
Speaker
all time legend, but yeah.
01:18:03
Speaker
It hasn't ever really connected with the fans in that way until recently he okay So just because I was curious because we were looking at this this dude was ranked number five on the PWA 500 in 2012. That's pretty freaking impressive Yeah, hell. Yeah, like dude top five of the year I mean granted that that era is not gonna be looked back on fondly but damn dude that dude was top five Yeah, he was one of the best five in the world at one point impressive. I
01:18:30
Speaker
Yeah, he's he's sneaky, man, because he's hung around so long and like Marco said, he's just been so so consistent is like an upper mid card slash like lower main event type guy. But yeah, I was it was really great to see him get his moment, get that huge standing ovation after that just fucking bang over a match he had against the only people in 2012 that were ranked above him was CM Punk, Bobby Rude, Cena and Daniel Bryan. That's pretty fucking impressive. Yeah, yeah.
01:18:58
Speaker
That's some good company to be in. Did you guys notice when Dom turned heel, when he kicked edge in the nuts so hard that he lost his shoe? Did you guys see that? His shoe literally disappeared into edge and screwed him, man. He just fucking tossed it aside. He just took the other one off after. He just took the other shoe off right after he did it.
01:19:22
Speaker
Is this doing anything for anyone? I just Dom Mysterio is just like create a wrestler number five Yeah, he's I like the idea of Ray Mysterio's son being a wrestler, but Dom's just not it dude I I still stand by my I had this take a couple years ago on the podcast at this point You can go back and listen to it. I said that
01:19:46
Speaker
Once the whole storyline with Seth and Buddy Murphy or whatever it is, of course, he should have just went down to NXT and been Prince because you know, Rey is Spanish for King. He should have went down to spend Prince Mysterio for a couple of years in NXT to hone his craft and then come back up.
01:20:03
Speaker
Yeah, I hope I'm wrong because I never want to root for anybody to fail. But I feel like once this storyline runs its course, he's done, dude. I would not be shocked if a year from now Dom is not in WWE anymore because what's he really going to do? You know what I mean? Without Ray by his side. True. Yeah, the whole Judgment Day thing for me is just, I don't know, I'm just kind of over it at this point.
01:20:32
Speaker
They keep losing, man. We saw them lose at SummerSlam, we saw them lose at Clash at the Castle, and...
01:20:39
Speaker
It was a fun moment. They were kind of like the laughing hyenas as Dom turned heel all sitting there. But it's like, dude, you guys just lost to these fucking old dudes, man. Y'all are supposed to be fucking killers, right? So I don't know, man. I still like Judgment Day. I do like Finn, Damian Priest, and Rhea as a faction. But they need to start getting some dubs, dude. They have been losing. I mean, Damian Priest lost his one-on-one match with Edge, dude.
01:21:06
Speaker
It's just fucking old, man. Like, you should be able to beat him, Damien Priest. I feel like Finn is going backwards in this, in this, in Judgment Day. I feel like he is not progressing at all. I feel like he's getting worse.
01:21:20
Speaker
I just yeah, I just I don't know. No, I'm with you I mean Ria's the star of Judgment Day Ria's the one that's jumping off the screen Ria's I feel like Ria's the one that's getting the biggest crowd reactions out of this group They're still I feel like there's still time to salvage it. They still got some cool factor I don't feel like they're straight up like a joke yet, but Judgment Day is in danger. I agree Jordan. I mean they just I mean they added Dominic so maybe we'll see what happens with that
01:21:46
Speaker
Well, we got to see, you know Dom didn't necessarily join Judgment Day He kicked Ray and Edged in the nuts and then or he kicked Edged in the nuts and closed our array then he walked away So Dom is a fool. He's a card card number Judgment Day now. Yep. Nice
01:22:04
Speaker
All right, Seth and Riddle, banger of a match. Oh, yeah. Second row curb stomp, dude. Oh, Seth. Insanity, man. Insanity. We know Seth and Matt Riddle have had heat in real life, dude. So hats off to those two, because that takes a lot of trust being able to say, hey, man, yeah, you can jump off the second rope and stomp on my fucking head, dude. Well, again, there was an interview that Seth Rollins did with Ariel Hawani.
01:22:33
Speaker
before that pay-per-view, and he asked him about his beef with Riddle, and he talked about that whole thing with Riddle's wife and all that stuff. And his issue with Riddle was, same thing with punk. He's one of those young dudes that didn't listen.
01:22:52
Speaker
to anybody. It's cool to get yourself over and do all that stuff. But when it comes time to work with somebody and take advice, that's one of the things that Riddle didn't do. He's down there in NXT saying he's going to beat up Goldberg and Brock Lesnar.
01:23:10
Speaker
beat up all these dudes and dude you're not even on the main roster yet you haven't even set foot on the main stage and you're talking all this shit he's like and that's that that was my issue with him and he's like and then what happened with like you know Becky Lynch and all the other girls his wife yeah girls xy you have the bad mouth and Becky yep the body shaving and stuff like that too that happened like that's a really pissed him off and that's that's his legit beef with uh with Riddle he's like the dude is talented
01:23:35
Speaker
He's like, but, you know, he's like, but at the same time, like you have to be able to willing to work with somebody, um, at the same time. And that's one of the things he didn't want to do was work with whatever his rhythm riddle at all because of all that. But other than that, like you said, it definitely takes trust. And I think they kind of like worked on that. You know, I mean, it seemed, it would seem like it anyway, he said, with the Seth Rollins, like with the lights on, he's going to work with you. He's like, but after, after the match, he's not going to be, you know, you know, having bears and
01:24:03
Speaker
invite you to parties and all that shit. They're not gonna be friends. He's like, but in the ring though, he'll do the work if he has it. That's what matters. So you could definitely be him. That was crazy. They tease that move at back, you know, I watched all Seth's messages religiously. They tease the second-row curb stomp at Backlash 2018 against The Miz, but The Miz moved. So this was the first time once he saw that connect. So I guess Seth now has a super finisher that he can bust out at,
01:24:31
Speaker
at different times when needed.
Roman Reigns' Future & WWE Speculations
01:24:33
Speaker
Main event, Drew McIntyre and Roman Reigns. These guys go 30 minutes and 47 seconds. Yeah. Karrion Kross, Austin Theory.
01:24:43
Speaker
Tyson Fury and Solo Sakoa all managed to get involved in this match. It was like, it threw me back to like an attitude error main event. I fucking loved it, man. The crowd was on fire for Drew. And I'll be straight up, dude. Jordan, you said you went back and watched this one, right? Yeah, I did. Go ahead. How about that freaking Broken Dreams little video montage for Drew's entrance? I thought Drew was walking out with a strap after that. What did you think of that, Jordan? Dude.
01:25:13
Speaker
I, everybody knows I have, I'm not the huge, the biggest Roman Reigns fan. You hate Roman Reigns. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't hate him. I do not. Dude, I've never came out of my mouth. So stop saying that. Jordan, let the hate flow through you. No, no, no, no. You can be freaking Kylo Ren, dude. Let the hate power you, dude. Just say you hate Roman Reigns. I'm not going to say it because I don't hate him. He's just not my favorite. That's there's nothing wrong with that.
01:25:42
Speaker
Okay. So whatever back to my original point, I love this match. And I don't say that often about Roman matches. I love this match. Like everything from the, the entrance of drew, man, it's, I already knew what happened. Cause I mean, Seth was texting me. He never told me specifically that Roman had one
01:26:02
Speaker
But honestly, I figured whenever they brought a solo up, I thought that was probably, I didn't think it was going to be then, but I assumed he was going to join the bloodline when he came up. So once Seth told me that I pretty much could put two and two together at that point. But yeah, man.
01:26:17
Speaker
absolutely incredible match. Um, dude, drew and Roman have so much chemistry in the ring. Yeah. That's dude. Oh my God. That was false finish man. When drew a, when drew hit the claim war after he hit the spear, I was sitting on the back porch, dude, and watching. And I was like, fuck, Roman's losing the belt right here. So when solos to cope with the ref out, like I legitimately jumped out of my chair and was jumping up and down cheering. Cause you know,
01:26:44
Speaker
We love Roman over here, dude. I wanted Roman to keep the belt forever until Seth beats him for it. But yeah, man, that was just, I was captivated by that match, man. It was so awesome. Austin Theory coming out, added a little something to it, right? Like you're like, oh shit, we're gonna see a cash-in. It was just insanity in the best way, man. It was straight up sports entertainment. Marco, what'd you think, man? Did you think Drew was walking out with a strap? Before, like maybe,
01:27:13
Speaker
I want to say like a month ago, I thought it was going to happen because he's the one that was really like the catalyst for this pay-per-view to happen. So he was the one pushing it and selling it and all this stuff. So once it happened, I was like, oh, it's automatic. He's definitely going to win here. Why would they have him lose in his home? But then I was like, you know what?
01:27:38
Speaker
They're off and on with the home wins. Sometimes they don't let the hometown person win the match. But then something happened. I think it was on one of the Smackdowns. And I was like, nah, he's not winning. I was like, Roman Reigns is going to continue his dominance. I was like, there's no way. Two weeks ago, you and Sheena were 100% convinced that Drew McIntyre was winning. Yeah, that's what I said. I figured something happened on Smackdown.
01:28:05
Speaker
And I was like, it just popped. And I was like, he's not winning. There's no way he can win. I'm not sure if a lot of people think he's going to keep it until like, you know, after this WrestleMania welcome to the next WrestleMania. I don't.
01:28:19
Speaker
It ain't going that long. I don't think it's going that long. What I'm thinking is, I mean, this would be pretty cool if they, you know, Los Angeles, obviously, you know, they're trying to get The Rock back. If you see that Triple H interview that he did, you know, he's, you know, he threw his pitch out there. He's willing to work the schedule, whatever The Rock's schedule is right now. He's willing to, you know, make it happen.
01:28:44
Speaker
So if they do do, if they do this, I think Roman Reigns made events both nights of media. So the first night he made events. That's what I'm pulling for. He made events against The Rock with the belts. He can still have the belts. It doesn't have to be a title match. Just basically like who's the real head of the table or pass the torch, whatever. He wins that. Then the next night he loses. Because now you can go, oh, he just had a main event the night before. How is he going to manage to
01:29:11
Speaker
you know, do another main event the next night against whoever competitor, which I'm thinking is gonna be fucking Cody, dude.
01:29:18
Speaker
I'm going backwards. I'm thinking he beats rock night one and loses or excuse me. I'm thinking he loses to Cody night one and beats rock night two. That's, that's my prediction right now. You go either way, but yeah, I think the rock and if they, if the rock comes back, the rock enrollment has to be the last match of WrestleMania weekend. Yeah. I'm thinking bringing him back to main event night one. I know they did. It was so cold this year, but this is completely different.
01:29:44
Speaker
I, yeah, I mentioned before my dream scenario is night one, Roman and Cody have a banger of a match. All of a sudden the Usos come out to do the bloodline thing and the rock somehow stops them. And in all the distraction, Cody beats rock or Cody beats Roman gets the belt. And then that adds to the heat for night two, rocking Roman and Roman goes over. I think you split them, right? Like make night one for the WWE championship. Cause Cody was very specific. He said he wanted to win the WWE world championship.
01:30:14
Speaker
So I think you do night one rock and rock and Cody for the WWE championship night to rock and Roman for Universal and then Everybody goes on about their merry way, but but we'll see it's gonna be lit man. I this I mean this it's approaching the Undertaker WrestleMania streak to me for who's gonna be Roman for this belt cuz they're over two years and
01:30:34
Speaker
Dude, it's been since 1988 with Hulk Hogan since we've seen a run like this. That's how far back it's been since we've seen a championship brain like Romans in the middle of it is, it is truly just historic. So hold on. You guys are both 100% thinking he holds both belts until WrestleMania.
01:30:53
Speaker
dude that yeah I mean if you're not gonna give it to drew in the UK like yeah but that was for that was on fire that was for both belts I'm not saying you he cannot lose the universal title that's a hundred percent I'm in agreement with you guys he has to have the belt going into WrestleMania
01:31:09
Speaker
He cannot lose the WWE Championship. If Drew didn't beat him on the UK after hitting like four claim wars, hitting a spear, who's beating him? Who's going to beat him? I mean, Seth, maybe, but I don't know. At this point, I feel like they're going all in until Mania, dude. He's on a later schedule now, too. And what show would you have him lose on? Where is he going to lose the belt at? He's going to lose it at fucking Extreme Rules? No. No, dude. I mean, Survivor Series is in Boston. Why not have him lose one there? No.
01:31:40
Speaker
Dude, I could be completely wrong on this and whatever. If I am, I am. It is what it is. He does not need both of those belts, dude. It's so fucking pointless to have both of those belts on him. I agree. It's annoying that they haven't unified him, right? At this point, I wish they just would have came up with one belt. But the fact that he's still holding both championships, it's dumb. But they're more going to do it. I mean, they basically already broadcasted that they're not going to unify the belts. Yeah, you're right.
01:32:08
Speaker
So what the hell is the point of him holding both at this point other than he's the number one wrestler in the world? I get it. But dude, he doesn't need to hold both belts for me to know that.
01:32:18
Speaker
I think him holding the universal title for over two years already tells me that. For you, the wrestling fan, but not for the casual person at wrestling. What? Dude, he's lost one time in two years. I just don't understand how him losing one of those belts is going to take away from this. It's not going to happen. I don't think it's going to happen until mania, dude. It's not going to happen until mania.
01:32:42
Speaker
I mean, I wish I did. I wish that. So I think the problem that they painted themselves into is that they are booking, even though it's still two belts, they're booking it as if it is a unified championship. I think if they would have kept them separate, like
01:32:57
Speaker
I fully believe if somehow the match on Saturday had just been for one one belt, Drew would have won because that would have been a moment. Right. Drew. I mean, that crowd was on fire more than I've ever seen a crowd on fire for anybody. And the roof would have fucking blown off that place if Drew wins. Yeah. But they can do it because Romans got to rain and they call it the undisputed if they remove the undisputed.
01:33:24
Speaker
then they can, you know, separate the belts, but they call it the undisputed universal championship. It means that other belt is included with it. So it's really, it's just, it's weird because it's like they're treating it like one championship, but it's still two belts. Like, I don't know what they're doing, man. It's, it's been awkward ever since even, even leading into WrestleMania. I remember it wasn't really clear
01:33:44
Speaker
what the deal was with the belts. Yeah, I don't know, man. But yeah, I agree, Jordan, if it was if they truly if they were truly treating it as two server championships, yeah, I think he would drop one at some time. But I don't think Roman's taken a loss before WrestleMania at this point. Do you think he's losing both belts to Cody on night one?
01:34:04
Speaker
No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. So your booking makes no sense that because you guys just shut down what I said. So now he's going to only lose one belt on night one of WrestleMania. How the fuck does that make sense? I think I think they're going to find it. I mean, dude, it's wrestling. They can always change the rules. I think they're going to find a way to change. I don't know the logistics of it, but I think at WrestleMania, it's going to be night one against Cody for the WWE and night two against the rock for the universal.
01:34:32
Speaker
See, my storyline was he loses both to Cody. Night one. No, he's not. Whatever happens to Cody. That's what I think is going to happen, man. I just do. They need to separate the belts. There's no fucking point for this. I just don't get it. Who's to say that Cody wins both belts and then on Monday Night Raw, he does a new belt because they did say Triple H is looking at redesigning the title.
01:34:57
Speaker
I mean, I'd rather see Seth win one because Seth's my dude, but I just want to see a Roman run. I love this run. Roman's on, dude. I think it's crazy how close he gets to losing every single time, but he's still somehow freaking take us out of the way to skate out of it with a belt. Yeah. I mean, I love it. I love a long title reign. And this is the most epic rain we've had, you know, really since I've been watching wrestling, you know, would be sick if like
01:35:21
Speaker
uh at that wrestlevania our
Podcast Preferences & Listener Questions
01:35:23
Speaker
our fantasy books wrestlevania match is if it looks like he's gonna lose robin against i'm gonna just insert cody we'll use him as an example and then the rock comes out but because technically he's part of the bloodline so you would make all the rocks to help robin win right
01:35:40
Speaker
He's going to be that next person. You know, he's going to walk down by himself, no uso's, no solo. And he's going to be by himself. And you think like, oh, man, it's another member of the bloodline because it's WrestleMania. It's it's The Rock, obviously. But no, no, no, it's completely different. He comes down and helps Cody win. And then that's what Seth said 10 minutes ago. Yeah, that's what that's. Well, then he will know. Well, he's saying the uso's are out there. I'm saying nobody's out there.
01:36:08
Speaker
I'm saying nobody's out there at all. He doesn't beat up the Uso. And what you think is set up rock and Roman for next year or what? Maybe next year. I don't think it's going to happen this year. Dude, if the rock is coming back to wrestle at WrestleMania, it's going to be in Los Angeles. He's not wrestling in fucking Philadelphia when it could be 12 degrees outside.
01:36:28
Speaker
He might pull a muscle, dude. Didn't he tear like his abs or something the last time I get seen him? Dude, have you seen The Rock? The dude looks like a creative character at this point. He's got like the biggest upper half I've ever seen in my life. And then like it just slims down. It's so fucking weird. I don't get it, but whatever. On that note, this was supposed to be a short show. We're at an hour and 36 minutes though. So yeah, thanks Sheena for not being here to kind of keep us in line. Let's hit some listener mail before we head home.
01:37:08
Speaker
Alright, so we kind of already answered this one on the air. Sam bro asks, What's your opinions on all this aired out drama from AW? Is it good, bad and different? I think we went super deep on this one. But Sam, thank you for sitting in the question. Robert Gino asks,
01:37:25
Speaker
Hey, peeps, is it too time consuming? Just skip it. Book your six figures plus a legend for WWE Elite 101. So let's split it up. Everybody book two figures. So Jordan, give your two first for Elite 101. You guys do the figure thing. I can't even think about that right now. All right. Marco, you got anything for Elite 101? Let's see. We definitely need
01:37:52
Speaker
We definitely need some Judgment Day action in there, so. Ooh, I like it. Let's get some, let's get Rhea, because we don't want the whole crew. So let's get Rhea, and we'll go Rhea and Davian. And those are my two that we get for the Judgment Day gear.
01:38:10
Speaker
Dude, I'll double down on the Judgment Day, dude. I want Finn with his new long pants, man. Finn's got main event pants now with the black and purple. I love that color combo. So we'll go Judgment Day. And then for Elite 101, I feel like it's a new era, right? It's a new start. Let's go first time in the liner. So give me like Braun Breaker. Give me a Tyler Bate, because he's never had a mainline Elite figure, Tyler Bate with the new long hair. Yep.
01:38:39
Speaker
Let's see, what do we want for number six? Maybe a... Ray Mysterio, another one. No, no. Not another Ray Mysterio. I'm thinking NXT, guys, because I want first time in the line. Carmelo, maybe? Carmelo, yeah, that'd be a good one. We haven't had the North American title show up in the elite line in a while either, so yeah, give me Carmelo with a North American championship. Good pick.
01:39:08
Speaker
All right. And then Johnny G B S thoughts on the new house of dragon show. So I'm out on basically anything game of Thrones related. Are you guys watching this? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. My thoughts. It's awesome. It's a, they're doing a great job tying everything together. So yeah, highly approve.
01:39:27
Speaker
All right, so it's got the chick Foley show stamp of approval. She was hardcore on Game of Thrones. She has not watched House of Dragons yet, but that's probably just because we've been so busy with everything around here. And the last question, Chalk Line Chad Roberts says, do you guys listen to the Kevin Nash podcast? Click this. Yeah, I listen to it because I listen to pretty much any podcast that that fucking scam artist Conrad Thompson puts out.
01:39:51
Speaker
But I do like Kevin Nash a lot and it's a pretty cool show dude Kevin Nash is just one of the most Genuinely cool wrestlers of all time and it definitely translates on the podcast. So I'm a big fan of click this. How about you guys? I'm not supporting anything Conrad Thompson after star gas. So nope. I don't listen to it. Oh, man. I listened. I was a Kevin. I'm a Kevin Nash mark. So definitely it definitely The other road dog has a pretty good podcast who
01:40:20
Speaker
Yeah, I like Road Dogs too. Oh, you didn't know. But yeah, Kevin Dash is awesome, dude. His story tell is really, really good. Yeah, a story they told about BamBam when they got into us about Mexican drug cartel dudes. Yeah, definitely search it on YouTube. You can find the clip of it. It's crazy.
01:40:44
Speaker
All right, that's a wrap for this episode of Chick Foley show the boys night. Hope you guys enjoyed reminder use code Chick Foley to save 10% at ringside collectibles. Jordan, yeah, hopefully you're the only sober one. So leave us with some closing thoughts for this week. Hopefully we have 14 days left of CM Punk and AEW.
01:41:27
Speaker
Guess who just got back today Them wild-eyed boys that had been away Heaven changed, had much to say But man, I still think them cats are crazy They were asking if you were around How you was, where you could be found Told them you were living downtown Driving all the old men crazy The boys are back in town, the boys are back in town