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The Therapist Who Removes Demons: A Conversation with Jordan Start
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Jordan Start is a clinical therapist and a demonologist, a pairing you almost never hear spoken about out loud. A registered social worker with a master's in the field, she has spent years in the trenches of trauma and abuse before spirit called her into demonology and spirit rescue. She said no for a long time before she said yes.
In this episode, Jordan and James, both therapists, explore where clinical work and the spirit world meet, and how often they turn out to be describing the same thing. How darker energies find us through our unhealed wounds. Why fear amplifies them. And the one instruction her spiritual team never changed: do your inner work. You are a divine soul, you have the right to say no, and your healing is the strongest protection you will ever have.
Jordan Start: startsistersoflight.com | Spirit Rescue Talk podcast | Spirit Rescue Center
James O'Neill: jamesoneillguide.com | Substack: jamesoneilllcpc.substack.com | @jamesoneillguide | Sessions, Walk-and-Talk, MBSR & hypnotherapy
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Transcript
Introduction to Podcast and Guests
00:00:05
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I'm James O'Neill, and these are conversations at the edge of psychology and soul.
00:00:14
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Today, I'm joined by Jordan Sartre. She is a reverend, a demonologist, rescue medium, and spirit rescue specialist out of Ontario, Canada, where she co-founded the Sartre Sisters of Light with her sister, Natasha.
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What I find fascinating about Jordan is that she didn't come to this work through a purely spiritual path.
Jordan Sartre's Background and Spiritual Journey
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She's a registered social worker with a master's in social work, and she does clinical work to this day.
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So she's grounded in that way, which I think is brings incredible value. ah So without further ado, Jordan, welcome to the Journey Mindfulness Podcast. You are the first demonologist to grace us with your presence.
00:00:59
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Wow, I feel so honored. Thank you for having me, James. It's a lovely introduction. Yeah, so yeah when did you get started into this? Was it ah younger age that you were introduced to spirit? How did everything unfold for you? Oh, gosh, that's a story.
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um So coming into the spirit world, i never recognized as a kid that I was a medium. However, i had a lot of spiritual experiences. So I would see souls walking around sometimes every once in a while.
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um I remember there was a time when i was a kid and I really needed to go to the bathroom. And I thought I saw my dad walk into the bathroom and I was waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting. waiting And finally I couldn't hold it anymore. I walked by. There's nobody there. But I swore that I saw somebody go in. So I would see spirits walking around.
00:01:52
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But no one in my family talked about having mediumship abilities. That came out years later after me and my sister had been more open to about our abilities. is Then suddenly everybody started coming out from the past like, oh, I used to see these when I was a kid.
00:02:07
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But so I wouldn't didn't think I was a medium. I didn't even really know what that was, but I would see spirits every once in a while. i would have knowledge of things that I shouldn't have had knowledge of.
00:02:19
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For example, when I was a kid, got a godde spiritual download on intergenerational trauma. And so I had an understanding that sometimes times adults act in ways and behave in ways based on their unmet needs from childhood and how that impacted their sense of self and therefore their
Experiences with Spiritual Phenomena and Protection
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behaviors. And then that would get passed down the line. How old were you?
00:02:44
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I was about five years old. My dad was in know in a mode at the time. And I had this this moment where I just knew this isn't even about me. This is because of your parents, blah, blah, generations passed.
00:02:58
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And I understood intergenerational trauma and that shifted my perspective and family dynamics. I would walk into spaces and I would feel unsafe walking into different environments, different places.
00:03:15
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And it wasn't that there was anything there. I could just be in my own home and I would walk into my toy room as a kid and I would feel as if something was hunting me. I would feel as if something was watching me and I would run away terrified because I could feel the threat even though there was nothing physically there.
00:03:33
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As I got a little bit older, things started increasing activity-wise. There was a joke in my friend group of, is Jordan haunted or is everywhere that she goes haunted? Because suddenly we would have to get this activity when I'd be going to my friend's house for sleepovers.
00:03:47
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um Around the age of 15, things really started increasing. I started seeing a lot more spirit activity. When I was really young, I would see dark figures crawling around on the floor in the hallway at a distance watching, but they never really approached me.
00:04:03
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Suddenly they started approaching me and it started freaking me out a lot as a kid. um what culture Is that like shadow people or what what is that? um Sometimes they would be shadow people. Other times it would be just dark figures that would be crawling on the floor, crawling on my ceiling, coming down up in front of my face when I was a kid.
00:04:24
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And then I would have these energetic beams of light that would come in and almost separate them from me when I was a kid. Even falling asleep as a kid, I would fall asleep seeing like outlines of figures of people surrounding my bed. And it felt more protective than anything. But then I would see dark, scary figures in the background or I would see glowing red eyes of nowhere when I was a kid. And those ones terrified me the most.
00:04:51
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And it wasn't what I was seeing. It was the feeling that they would give, which was I could only describe as
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Easily, if they wanted to, they could tear me apart. And I was lucky that they didn't, was more the feeling. Almost as if, like, the threat was they looked at me as if I was nothing more than the dirt under like what we would consider under our fingernails.
00:05:16
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And so that was the most terrifying as a kid, was the feelings that they would provide. Mm-hmm. Then, yeah, when I got older, there was more poltergeist activities, lots of footsteps, banging. When I'd be home alone, our kitchen cabinetry would open on its own.
00:05:33
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um I would get a lot of voices coming in and talking to me as a kid. of At first, they were always really nice. And looking back, they were definitely me in communication with my guides just because of some of the life experiences I was going through at the time. I was not developmentally prepared to deal with some of the dramas I was dealing with, so I would get a lot of spirit coming in to provide encouraging messages and supportive messages.
00:05:56
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Yeah. ah Around 15, that changed. Things started getting a little bit more dark, a little bit more vicious, malicious, and some of the energies that were coming in. And I just thought I was a really angsty teenager, and that was case.
00:06:12
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Okay. I may be very wrong on this, but is i was for some reason, somewhere I read or I'm under the impression that some things cannot approach you until you are of a certain age. Is that true? Or is that like why at 15, did things start escalating?
00:06:33
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So when you're 15 to the spirit range, you are considered more of an adult. So up until that age, your guides, your angels, your higher self, was able to more ah and enforce more spirit law for you.
00:06:46
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So the law of free will was one of them. And once you hit the age of 15, your guides start backing up a little bit. um In order to, as an individual as a soul, for you to take divine authority over your own energy body, your own system.
00:07:02
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Now, that's not to say that I wasn't left with support. There were times when I would be getting attacked by spirit, and I didn't recognize that at the time. But I had a few experiences that really jarred me because they were very abnormal and...
00:07:18
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i would end up having to call in for help. I wasn't religious at the time. i didn't know what there was out there. I figured there was something because we all had to come from something, but I didn't know what it was.
00:07:29
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And I would be, i would have these experiences where I was terrified because of what was happening to me. And I would call out to that divine source of light, love, the creation of everything. And I would ask for support and assistance.
00:07:41
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And I would have beautiful frequencies of light, flashes of light come in, just these beautiful feelings of love and unconditional divine support would come in and I would actually hear them sometimes arguing because I would say no.
00:07:56
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And they would come and interfere and take away whatever was impacting me at the time. When i asked my team later on in life, why did I have some of these experiences happen to me? Why were certain energies able to come see me when I was so young?
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My team at least explained to me that it was because my contract in doing a lot of spiritual protection work was with these types of energies. And so in order to acclimate my energy system to be able to hold that frequency...
00:08:27
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I needed to have some level of exposure to certain frequencies, but it always felt very controlled. Even when I would start really stepping into my abilities and learning how to harness them, I would go through what I would consider like bootcamp experiences where I would get maliciously attacked by spirit, but it always felt very safe and controlled. It felt very time limited and just opportunity to build skills.
00:08:52
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That is fascinating because I just had a conversation with someone we were talking about disclosure and how um some
00:09:03
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ET beings will like, there's a essentially the same type of process, right? Like exposures there because your nervous system will not be able to contain, like you would just get overloaded and, uh, you know, whatever bad would happen to you. But like, that's interesting to hear you say that like you had in your contract built in something different.
00:09:25
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Yeah. And I mean, when I asked my team. My understanding of that experience has grown significantly over time as you know my intuitive abilities have gotten stronger, as my ability to connect with my team got better over time. And looking back, there was a lot of adverse life experiences that I went through that I'll never forget this. Someone recently told me, they're like, you know, I feel in your energy, you've never had the luck.
00:09:52
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sure no one No, no, no, no, no. My early childhood was riddled with trauma. I used to do that ACES score and I was scoring a nine out of 10. The only one I didn't have was a parent incarcerated.
00:10:06
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So I just want to unpack. So the ACES score adverse childhood events. So the more, you know, more events that you have as a child, you know, the more you are at risk for various types of things in your life.
00:10:22
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Okay. So you were no stranger to that. No. And so coming into this journey, I always went to my team and said, why did certain things have to happen the way they did?
00:10:32
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And they said, well, we needed to prepare you because you're going to come across a lot of people who also have been victimized by spirit, but also in their 3D experiences.
00:10:43
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And my journey from going from a child who was terrified, who felt she had no power, had no control, was victimized in pretty much any way you could name it.
00:10:57
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into me during my early childhood years to go from that state and having to have the impacts of that, whether that be me feeling incredibly powerless, me feeling like i had no control, me feeling like I didn't matter, that what I said didn't matter, what I thought didn't matter, what I felt didn't matter.
00:11:15
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Those deep wounding that I experienced in childhood that I, in my therapy practice, started supporting people in healing is very similar to those who are impacted by spirit.
00:11:28
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I always say, you know, when I work with individuals with domestic violence, even though being in a domestic violent relationship is horrifying, it's terrifying, it's is earth-shattering.
00:11:42
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When I was in my own relationship where there was a lot of violence, if I went to school or if I went to work, I got space, I got distance from my abuser. If I had a spirit attached... I didn't get that space. I didn't get that distance.
00:11:55
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You're fighting something that doesn't have a physical form. And you can't get the same type of support the same way. And so going through that experience as of those adverse childhood experiences lowered my frequency enough that I could see.
00:12:11
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spirits and entities at a young age. i didn't know what they were at the time. I would see them on top of people. I'd see them coming out of people. I'd see them in people. And I knew intuitively don't engage, don't interact, just leave them alone.
00:12:24
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But I had an awareness that they were there.
00:12:29
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Coming into the healing work from a therapeutic perspective, I learned very quickly how some of those life experiences could impact our entire sense of self.
00:12:41
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and how we understand the world, how we engage in the world, how we understand ourselves and leading into the spirit work. When I think about.
00:12:56
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Jordan, jordan i have a question. Like some of the people, some of the most amazing people, like people that I would call or some people might understand as being way showers, have gone through some of the like worst trauma and like sexual abuse among other things. Why why is that?
00:13:22
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Like why, you know, these bright lights, is that is that a rite of passage? Like, or how how do you see that? Or what is the purpose of all that trauma going through that?
00:13:37
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think it's very layered in regards to question. I think there's many different answers depending on the individual, their soul's journey, their life, where the soul contracts that their soul has decided to sign in a lifetime.
00:13:54
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I know for myself, those experiences shaped the energetic frequency that I can hold. It shifted my subconscious and unconscious mind and how I understood suffering and pain that people go through.
00:14:11
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I know for myself it
00:14:18
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gave me different awarenesses that I wouldn't have otherwise. Whether that be through struggling on my own or seeing where the support that I did get was which then shifted my perspective and how to approach and support others who were also struggling and going through very tough moments.
00:14:39
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When I think of traumatic life experiences and how it shifts you as an individual or as a person, it undeniably shapes every aspect generally of you are how you engage in the world how you respond how you react how you think how you feel and i always say you know if you were to look at thoughts and feelings and memories if you're to you know autopsy me right now and cut me open you're not going to find those things in me those things are energetic and depending on the contract that you as a soul has come in to do there are there's duality and everything there's benefits in having certain types of experiences
00:15:23
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And it doesn't mean that it doesn't come with hardship. It doesn't mean that it doesn't come with struggle. But in speaking for myself, if I hadn't have gone through certain life experiences, I don't think I could do this contract.
00:15:34
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I don't think I'd be as good as a therapist as I am. And that's not to say that I didn't have, you know, the clinical tools behind me or the education behind me, but my understanding of things is different.
00:15:46
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just because of the life experiences i see it differently engage in spirit work differently i engage in healing differently so i think it really depends on the individual their soul their contracts what their soul came to learn what they commercial came down to experience the karma that they came in carrying for themselves or other souls Even some of the souls who hurt me the most in this lifetime, i was very surprised to learn that on the other side, our souls are actually besties. i had to ask My soul had to ask them to come in and engage in some level of harm towards me for my contract.
00:16:25
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Their soul didn't want to, but they did it for the betterment of my own soul's journey, which was something that was really hard for me to understand at the time. That is really hard. it was It was really tough for me to kind of wrap my head around that.
00:16:39
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But going through my own healing and seeing things from different perspectives and angles and looking at it in a different lens, I can understand it even if I don't like all the impacts or how it made me feel at times. I can understand it with a great
00:16:56
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Yeah, it's hard to wrap your head around like someone who's hurting you could actually be on the other side so loving that they would willingly do that to better you. It's, it's and I'm sure somebody hearing this might be like, that's crazy, but yeah.
00:17:13
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And trust me when I say I thought it was crazy too. I had to really... and that's not... so That's something that I'm okay with understanding now. When it was first presented to me, oh, I rejected that immediately.
00:17:26
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And I was okay with rejecting it because that's where I was at in my journey. And through the healing journey, I've learned you honor all parts of you. So the parts of me that rejected that I honored. I supported those elements of me that was struggling with.
00:17:39
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But there were also parts of me that also could understand... With the bigger picture, the more knowledge and understanding that i learned from the other side of how things kind of operate, or at least in my journey, why I needed to operate a specific way.
00:17:52
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It made sense. It didn't take away the pain. It didn't take away the suffering. It didn't take away the impact. But it gave me a new lens to come through it, which shifted my relationship in certain degrees. Not in all ways, though.
00:18:11
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I think you said that really well. It's, uh, you know, not something that's going to make you feel better, but it's an understanding ah of how things in life work and how we interface with that and in and how we experience it.
00:18:30
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Yeah. Perspective change. And I learned that even through whether it be the clinical work or just managing the you know life stressors throughout my life when especially when I was younger I learned very early that new information a shift of perspective can be very healing and it doesn't take away from the pain and it doesn't take away from the suffering but I've always been the kind of person that if I have new information i can work with I can absorb it try to ah you know make it make sense because I don't want to suffer and I don't want people to suffer
00:19:08
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So if there's new awarenesses that can help shift my relationship to a story, to an experience, that can lead to more healing, that can lead to more empowerment, then that is always the road I always chose to go.
00:19:24
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and that led to more awarenesses and more understandings and newer perspectives that helped work through other aspects. And those are different approaches that when I'm working with clients, whether it be in in my day-to-day clinical work or in my spiritual work and supporting individuals who have been spiritually, who have felt traumatized and victimized by spirit, supporting them and helping to understand the different perspectives.
00:19:54
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That healing greatly shifts with perspectives. Yeah. Well, and it, it's really great to have you on and now, Because you have the clinical perspective and you also have the spiritual perspective. So how do you, how has that been for you bridging that, those worlds?
00:20:17
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I think for me, it made a lot of sense in regards of, I started more so in the clinical work. As you mentioned, going through the different levels of education i went through for social work, did my social service workers or college to program, then did my bachelor's and then my master's in social work.
00:20:39
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And was even considering doing my PhD at the time, but spirit, and i felt the push from spirit at the time to slow, slow down. But I always focused my work on trauma. And whether that be through domestic violence, sexual assault, human trafficking, working with families, um um homicide victims, and working with attempt murder victims. So there's always the room that I stayed in. That varied from children all the way up to adults.
00:21:08
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oh like My youngest client has been five. My oldest has been 98. So I've worked on the spectrum. And but trauma was always the thing that I was interested in And I can see how my life experience has kind of led me into that path. um Because I wanted to understand more about myself and my own experiences and my own healing.
00:21:33
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And so that was a driving force, I think, for a lot of where I would focus my education on, where I would focus my careers on. And so I learned a lot and it just made a lot of sense.
00:21:45
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Coming into the spirit work, I didn't want to do it. actually rejected it quite a bit. a from a think You wanted to keep that so separate or what was that about?
00:21:57
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I started realizing I could talk to spirit and I was like, oh, this is kind of fun. I can talk to angels. I can talk to past loved ones. This is great. um That is not how my journey started.
00:22:11
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I started connecting with earthbound souls. Usually, um individuals who are victims of violence and when i say an earthbound soul i mean just a soul who has a transition to the higher frequencies whether we call that heaven the other side that lovely pearly gates wherever people would consider where they would go to have that eternal sunshine these souls did not make that transition yet and oftentimes it was due to their own trauma whether that be through their own life experiences or their own fears of the transition process or whether they would go to the wrong place in some cases.
00:22:46
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um Not because they were, some of them were perpetrators of harm, but a lot of the times they were people who, you know, maybe didn't show up and and their perspective as the best parent and that led to harm to their kids.
00:23:00
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And they had a lot of shame and a lot of regret for how they did in their life. So they stayed earthly. I would get a lot of murder victims that would come in. I would get a lot of who were sexually assaulted way back in the day and
00:23:19
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the other side didn't have a place for them because there was something inherently dirtying.
00:23:24
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So a lot of the narratives that I was engaging with in my day job with with individuals, I noticed when I opened up the spirit, I felt like I was getting a whole new slew of clients.
00:23:37
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um So I did a lot of counseling with people. I had one individual who was a teen who had unfortunately committed suicide of a drug overdose. Yeah. And he came in because, you know, unfortunately through his family's religion's belief system, once you committed suicide, you weren't going to happen.
00:23:58
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So I would get a lot of souls that were suffering coming. i'm And I'm just wanting to talk to angels and my loved ones. And that's all I wanted to do. again, I feel like I'm, I would used to joke with my family. and I'm like, I have my clinical hours and then I have my off hour. Where I'd be counseling earthbounds. And my team in spirit would come in and teach me how to support them, to counsel them, to guide them, to connect them with their guides, to connect them with their loved ones and help them transition.
00:24:26
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and so I started doing that for a little while. And it made sense. It was very much my bread and butter. I was already doing this in my day job. So I'm like, okay, I'm just doing this in spirit too. That's fine.
00:24:38
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And then my team came in and said, we need you to work with entities. And I was still pretty new at this point. And I went, that sounds like something evil is trying to like trick me. So no, I'm not doing that.
00:24:49
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And I rejected it. And they kept coming back saying, you're going to help people who are being attacked by some of the darker elements the spirit. And I went, nope, I'm not your girl. I'll stick with the healing. I'm fine with talking to, you know, earthbounds and transition them. I'm good with that. I don't want to i don't want to deal with the darker elements. That's not what I want to do.
00:25:10
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And I also thought, I'm the wrong person to ask. I wasn't inherently religious at the time. Anybody who I ever heard of who did this kind of work, not for nothing, were men. And here I am a female. I'm young. I'm not under a specific religion.
00:25:27
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have believed in a lot of different things, but I never subscribed to one narrative. And so i used to ask, well, why me? Why would I be the person to do this? I'm not the person on paper you would expect to be doing this.
00:25:39
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At the time, I had long blonde hair. I looked like a princess. all that I'm like, I'm not the girl that's going to go in so i to deal with the scariest. Yeah. But they kept coming to me and telling me, you're going to do this. Like, this is your contract. This is your job.
00:25:55
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And I'll never forget, James. I remember what i was so mad because at this point I was like, I felt them pushing it being like, this is your job. You made an agreement. I didn't know anything about soul contracts at this point. I knew nothing.
00:26:08
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And they come and they're like this is your job. You made an agreement with God about this. And I i was, oh, i was I was a little bit feisty at this point. I looked at mind went, well, maybe an aspect of my soul did. But Jordan Start here in the physical did not make that agreement. I'm not doing it. I'm i'm not your girl.
00:26:26
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i The next moment I was in this golden space, it was as if somebody literally plucked me from my body, brought me to a whole new reality. And all I heard is Jordan, and I need you to do this.
00:26:39
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I got plopped back into my body. I looked at my sister at the time and I said, did you see that? Her abilities were opening at the time as well. And she went, no. And I said, well, I just talked to God. Wow.
00:26:50
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I guess I'm doing this. i don't like and how do How do you say no? There was this deep soul knowing that everybody on the planet could be telling me that I was crazy and I would be okay.
00:27:03
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So I rejected it up until that point. And at that point, I was like, all right, I guess I got to do this. and That's wild. Led to me agreeing and then me going through my first boot camp where I was getting attacked quite a bit by different entities.
00:27:20
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Yeah, would say what, so right after that, just like you were just thrown into the fire? Thrown into the fire. It was controlled, theyre right, for, i'd say, a good few years. It was pretty consistent. The first eight months were probably the worst.
00:27:36
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That first week, it was a few days later, we and my sister were driving back from where we were. We were actually up at a haunted house in Ontario. It's called the car Charles Beck House.
00:27:46
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It's in Penetanguishing. It's an Airbnb. It's known to be one of the most haunted houses in Canada. It was great place. You knew that going into it? i he Spirit told me about this house years prior. i would get it see it in my dreams.
00:28:02
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Didn't know. where it what it was where it was why i was seeing this house and then i would get it three years popping up of going to this house but i always knew i had to wait till my sister was older like anytime i'd go to book it i felt like the pushback and then eventually my sister was old enough and i felt the push to do it and another ad came up i've got an ad every few months to do it um And then once I booked it, me and her started of going, and that's when both of our abilities started really opening up more.
00:28:30
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um We started practicing a little bit more. felt very safe. It felt very contained. So we happened to be there when I had that message that I was going to do this work, and I had agreed.
00:28:44
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And on the way home, we heard from Spirit, you're going into a boot camp. And there's going to be some entities there. It's going to last five days. You're going be tested, but you're going to be okay.
00:28:55
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And during that time, I've talked to different exorcists, different bishops, individuals who engage in demonic criminals. And within that five days, I pretty much went through all the stages of demonic infestation, oppression, etc. all the way up to an attempt possession within that week.
00:29:16
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um You experienced all of it. All of it. i By the time... i Things that should never be physically able to happen were... Like my phone.
00:29:28
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I would get this phone call from this number that didn't exist. I had over 98 calls in less than a minute. one Not possible. Somehow that was happening. I would send out emails to different people, different paranormal teams, different spiritual healers. Not one of them. Because I've connected with pretty much all of them since.
00:29:48
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Not one of them had received my email asking for help. I would have beings crawling up in my body, moving my body, taking over, talking through me. Mimicking was happening. Knocking was happening. Furniture was moving.
00:30:03
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My entire family got pulled into it very quickly. Oh, so they were observing too. I know your sister has kids. Okay. Okay. Oh, no, it became a family affair.
00:30:13
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um it actually wasn't... and The only person that I got in contact with was an individual out in the United Kingdom. And he gave us some support and just, you know, some guidance to help us, you know, not allow this experience to derail us.
00:30:30
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But by that point, we were bunkered down in our living room, all the blinds, clones, terrified. Who? um Who was this family? nice see my sister...
00:30:42
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my family, everybody, we were all bunkered down because of the activity that was happening in the house. No one, we went to the bathroom and shits because it was so horrifying what was happening in our home. my yeah And so this gentleman, Richard,
00:30:57
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from the uk i met him through a medium who i'd had a reading with and she said you know what i don't do this dark stuff but he does some advice so maybe he'll reach out to you and so he really encouraged us to take our power back get out of the room open the blinds you know not allow this to take you over well that resulted in the moment i was by myself i got levitated and thrown down the stairs ended up in the hospital With the surgeon telling me I would have been better off breaking my foot because of the injuries that were done. He's like, you're going to be on crutches for at least the next eight months.
00:31:32
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I was not, despite all the tests saying that I would be. ah i was grateful. i was but kept hearing from spirit, you're going to heal up earlier, but it's going to give you time.
00:31:44
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Because of that, I was able to take some time away from my work. I was able to kind of recenter. My entire life blew up. My 10-year relationship fell apart. Everything I thought I knew about my life started coming to the surface. I had beings trying to show up my car, bring my car off the road.
00:32:01
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it was It was crazy. for a good eight months but over time it started to decrease and then I ended up meeting Amy Major who thankfully was able to step into my energy and realize oh you're getting attacked by a lot of things it was able to help guide me through my contract a little bit more help me find some empowerment learn some different skills in order to protect myself but also help me not feel crazy because everybody was giving, you know, I'd meet people that would say, just raise your frequency.
00:32:33
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You know, everything's going to be fine. And no matter what, is that, is that true or is it? Okay. It's true unless it's not true. Um,
00:32:44
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I think it depends. Raising your frequency absolutely can provide protection. When I look at these lower frequency energetic beings, as I said, thoughts, emotions, memory, they're energetic. So if they're lower in frequency or more uncomfortable, more self-deprecating, more self-shaming,
00:33:07
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that's on an energetic match with some of these energetic beings. Right. So even through that experience, there were traumas that I thought I had dealt with years ago that were suddenly being pulled up to my face and were being poked. These beings knew more about me than I even knew about myself. And it didn't take until years later where I would find out what they were talking about.
00:33:26
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See, that to me is terrifying, like that something could know you so intimately and use that to know to draw on your and whatever fears, insecurities, everything else.
00:33:42
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Well, puts you into a state of fear, right? And these energetic beings, they don't have enough energy just to sustain in themselves. So they need to create an environment that's low in frequency so they can continue to feed off it.
00:33:56
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So poking at your fears, poking at your insecurities is how they can gain more power and control over you as a person, but also feed their own selfish desires, whether that be through their own energy, whether that be them trying to enact harm. It helps empower them.
00:34:14
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And that was something I had to learn the hard way because i said I thought I had been doing pretty well with all my trauma until I realized that I still had some stuff I needed to work through because now those things are being weaponized and used against me.
00:34:27
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It's always interesting, you know, like i I've done a lot of inner work and shadow work and then sometimes something happens you're like, man, there's more under there that I haven't got to yet.
00:34:40
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get to the point where I'm kind of excited now because ah've I've started to start looking at it as what a beautiful opportunity for me to get to know myself in a different way. If I've triggered, if something kind of comes up to the surface, then I'm like, wow, there's been a part of me that's been holding on to this for so long.
00:34:58
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She needs some love. She needs some support. She needs some guidance. Like this poor part of me has been struggling through it. like But I get to know myself in a better way. I get to know myself in a different way.
00:35:09
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um You can look at through a more compassionate lens, like curiosity, like, cool. Okay. It's like a journey of self discovery. And then when you work through it and you come out on the other side and you're able to give, really integrate that shadow work in yourself and you learn not to hide those parts of you and you embrace it in a loving and compassionate way.
00:35:29
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um The shame goes away. The insecurities go away. Like the a situation happens and you're like, no, I would not have reacted that way. Now I am. This feels so much better.
00:35:41
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So I kind of get excited now when I have those moments. But then also in the spirit protection lens, I'm like, oh perfect. This is one less thing that something's going to be able to poke at me with. Yeah, I've been know trying to be more vulnerable and sharing and and explaining things, you know, what through my own healing journey to other people. And some of them are like, that's terrifying. Like, how could you share that? and like, you know, because I want to feel better.
00:36:07
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i want to face this if I'm carrying shame or guilt or fear or doubt or insecurities. Like my hope is to help someone else go through that and feel better about themselves.
00:36:20
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would say we don't have a time machine. I can't go back and take away some of the life experiences that I've had, but I can shift my relationship to that. I can shift my understanding. i can shift how that experience sits in me so it doesn't run my life in the future.
00:36:38
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Like I can take my power back and not allow that to define where I go. Yeah, it's it can it can be all of that, right? And so i had a therapist once that she would tell me, you know, this is all terribly wonderful.
00:36:54
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That's a great way of putting it. And that's not to say, though, that when you're in it and you're in the moment and you're going through the ringer, it is the hardest thing to do. Yeah. this right i When I was a kid, i would as I said, I would get like spiritual downloads from spirit regarding trauma, around intergenerational trauma.
00:37:14
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Looking back, I also would therapize myself when I was really young. And when I mean really, i mean like five, six, seven years old, I was embedding therapeutic practices that I now know to be best practice for children at that age, given the issues I was having.
00:37:29
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I didn't know what I was, i just naturally knew how to do it because spirit was helping me through it. So I've always been on the self growth journey, self acceptance journey, but So as much as I talk about it now as if it was easy, this is not something that happened overnight. This level of acceptance and awareness and being okay with certain things was a journey in and of itself to get to that point. I don't ever want anyone ever thinking through the healing jury that it's so simple because it's not.
00:38:03
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Because I find that when I would find people what would tell me, oh, just raise your frequency as if it was so easy. And I'm like, well, how do I do that? Yeah, it sounds great. It's easy. And I'm like, that's great. Can you help me get from point A to point B? Well, they would give their suggestions. and I'm like, that's great. I've done all of that. What else do you want me to do?
00:38:21
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And I would never have an answer. But people would talk about it as if it was so easy to do that healing work. And I'm like, healing is so terrifying because you become a version of yourself you never knew.
00:38:36
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In our psyche, our nervous system is not prepared for that. There's a reason why they say small increment changes makes the biggest change over time because our brain is literally wired to not do big personality shifts overnight.
00:38:49
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Yeah. It's not our own protection. So to just, you know, the healing journey is a journey in and of itself and it is not easy. Yeah. And you know, it's so great having you on to explain this too, because it's like from a clinical, you know, there's, there's so many things sometimes in like the spiritual community, for example, that they'll just say and like, hang on to. And I'm like, these are just, some of these tropes are like bullshit.
00:39:14
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but It's like, you can't say that. It's true. It is bullshit. It really is sometimes. And when I look individuals so a lot of the work that i do with folks is yes i'll come in and i'll almost like real life ghostbuster i help people like i'll come in i'll remove the being i'll clear the home i'll do well but that's just the beginning there is an impact of being attacked by something that you cannot see that you cannot escape to the
00:39:45
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All aspects of an individual. It's inherently traumatic. When I look at what do we consider trauma, it's a life event, generally has a lot of emotions, oftentimes unexpected and brought in fear.
00:39:59
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Your safety was compromised in some capacity, whether it be physically, mentally, emotionally, sexually. In some capacity, you were at risk. And when I look at these spirit attachments and I look at people being attacked by spirit at times, it checks all the boxes.
00:40:15
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And I tell people, you know, even though, yes, we are a soul, we're also living a 3D experience. Our body responds to this. Our subconscious, our nervous system. is impacted by the trauma of being attacked by something that you can't get the same level of support in. You can't necessarily go to.
00:40:32
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Again, I bring it back to when I would think about like domestic violence or sexual assault. There's a shame there. There's a guilt there. there's Sometimes I can't go talk to my community because what's going to happen? right I could be ostracized from my community. I could be cut off from people. i could be shamed from my community, from my family. like There's repercussions if I'm to talk my truth.
00:40:52
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The same is true for individuals who are have experienced some of the darker elements of the spirit world. Sure. yeah And even even in like the clinical community, like talking about some of these things, or certain spiritual communities talking about some of these things, you definitely are at risk for telling the truth on some things.
00:41:13
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Oh, absolutely. Right. And so our bodies, our nervous systems are impacted by them, whether it be from a 3D trauma yeah or a 5D trauma. yeah i mean Doing that inner healing work is so important because the relationship to experiences,
00:41:33
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having that strong self-concept can support individuals in protecting themselves spiritually from some of these energetic beings. always say certain energetic beings would find me and I'd ask why and they would point at my energy system, point to a wound and say, I'm a match.
00:41:50
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I saw you because you carry the same frequency that I do. but Yeah, I definitely want to explain that. So for people, um,
00:42:02
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we go through things or dark periods or depressions or traumas, but when that happens, our vibration, if you will, goes to a certain point. So there, and that opens the door for things to take place. So how does that work exactly? You do, or maybe it's just what you said, like finding an energetic match.
00:42:24
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Yeah, so we know through there are certain spirit laws that like energy attracts like energy, frequency, right? Even though I'm in a physical form here, everything is vibrational frequency.
00:42:37
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And so when it comes to the spirit world, there, as James is saying, we have certain types of life experiences. They... imprint on our energy system.
00:42:49
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as said before, you know, i can have a tapestry of life experiences. I can't go back. I don't have a time machine. I can't go erase those things. So those things, those experiences are in my energy system.
00:43:02
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Similar to how certain life experiences can impact our physical body. Right. So when I think individuals who have been through a traumatic experience and, you know, let's just say they were in a car accident and their physical body is fine now, but certain times you can have somatic experience or body-based experiences where your body will remember the pain from that experience, even though you're not in the accident anymore. It's actually been healed medically, been cleared.
00:43:31
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The body can hold that energy. Our energy bodies, our chakra systems do the same. So we can have certain types of life experiences that land on us energetically that are at a specific frequency.
00:43:46
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So let's just say i was a kid and I spoke out in class, I got the answer wrong, and now everybody in the class is laughing and they're giggling. Now, my brain, maybe if I'm, you know, a small child, is going, oh my everyone's laughing at me.
00:44:02
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That's a perspective I could take. Oh my goodness, everyone's laughing at me, so I'm not smart. I'm not going to speak up anymore. That landed in a way. Now that I also could have had an experience with who knows maybe because I was so in my head in that moment that I didn't notice that one other kid was making funny faces and they were actually giggling at that. But because I was so in the moment of my experience, that story landed for me that I'm not smart.
00:44:29
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I shouldn't speak. When, you know, if you are to speak, bad things could happen because people might laugh at You might get made fun of, you might get bullied. So now that experience has landed in a specific way. That one experience has taught me many things about myself.
00:44:44
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Again, shouldn't speak up, be quiet. If you say something wrong, bad things might happen, et cetera. It was on it. Yeah. is it So again, those things are energetic because again, those things are very real for me. But if you're, you can't find those things in the physical.
00:45:03
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So when you have an energetic being, that is an energetic. So they are of the same type of frequency. Sometimes that could be an earthbound that also felt powerless in some capacity. Maybe they had an experience where they were, let's just say a domestic violence victim and every time they spoke up, something bad happened to them.
00:45:23
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They were abused in some capacity. So they learned to be quiet. They learned to stay silent. They learned to not speak. You and that earthbound might be the same energetic frequency because you guys carry similar wounding, similar perceptions, and those perceptions, those wounds project out to the spirit world.
00:45:43
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And anything that's kind of of a similar match or frequency will come in. Now, that is also could be true, of and I'll use myself as an example for this, where I would have a lot of individuals that in the spirit world that would get drawn to me that were birthed pencils, so they were human individuals, who were abusers because I was a victim in many experiences in my life.
00:46:11
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So I was also a match for an abuser because of being a match for time past an abuser. So I was getting drawn to individuals that were victims, but I was also getting some of the more darker ones that were coming in to cause more harm because I was a match.
00:46:25
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And so when they talk about oftentimes just raise your frequency, raise your vibration, i think where sometimes the spiritual community so oversimplifies it is it is a lot of work in order to really do that inner work because it's not just as simple as just raising your frequency.
00:46:42
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You have to go inward. You have to do that shadow work. You have to look at the parts of you that you've suppressed, the parts that you push away, the parts that you hold shame and blame. parts you don't want to look because it's, you've been either conditioned that it's not safe to, or it's too hard. It's too scary.
00:46:58
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Because even though you can temporarily shift your frequency, your frequency still has a space where it feels comfortable. It has its state. Like a baseline. Yeah, it has its baseline.
00:47:10
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And so you can shift your baseline by doing that inner healing work. But if you don't do the inner healing work, then you'll stay in that zone or you'll have more life experiences because life happens, things happen, and it can bring you even lower.
00:47:24
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And this is something, yeah you can't fake it. No, you can't. And that's the thing is, as I said, I had moments where I genuinely thought, oh, I've worked through this.
00:47:37
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And then I step into this contract and I'm, you know, being a protector, part of my job was to, yes, support people. But in order for me to support people and help protect people safely and effectively, I had to do my own work because then I could be re-victimized.
00:47:52
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So my team was very clear on, you know, you're going to do your own air healing so that way you can do the job. But what that also meant is that the things that I had hid from, the things that I had suppressed, the things i had pushed down, I didn't get to hide from them anymore. You had to face them.
00:48:10
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I, um Jordan, when I was younger, i so i grew up, uh, raised in the Catholic church and there was a guy who was, he was very devout and he was one of the people that would do like the readings and things like this. And this was a big, a big guy, big Irish guy.
00:48:28
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And he, what I found out later was he was a football player for Notre Dame. but And I knew him when he was older, but he was a bodyguard for the priest that did the exorcist, it which happened in Washington, D.C., or just outside part of it.
00:48:49
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And he explained sometimes, to one time to my dad, just how, what would happen when like the priest would go to do the exorcist and when they would go to sit down for lunch, the chairs would like flip over so that the priest could not sit down.
00:49:06
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And it was like, it terrified me. I'm like, that was real or like, come on. Like, are you kidding
00:49:14
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That and I bring that up is the intensity of that. And this is not something, this is somebody, you know, like when someone's telling you the truth and you're like, I know that sounds fantastic, but that guy's not lying.
00:49:29
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That guy's not telling that he's not telling what's it. He he's he a devout person. That happens. Yeah. Yeah. And then years later, i there's a certain fear, right? When you hear the like demon, demonologists, like I heard stories of some priests that would go, like, you know, someone says my house is haunted and they would come in and the priest would be greatly affected. And what it would end up turning out is that they hadn't done their work.
00:50:01
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There was something that they were walking into and they got hit in like a buzzsaw. Yep. yep Which made, in my own mind, like we all carry something. And if you can't pretend or wear the cloth or anything, like you have to do your work if you're going to work in this field or work with these kinds of things. This is real, real life.
00:50:23
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Absolutely. For exactly what you just said there. Because you do become a target, right? And anytime I would go to my team and I'd say, what is the most, because I'm wrong, like doing this contract, I did not want, as I said, I did not want to do it.
00:50:39
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And so my biggest thing was, is if I'm going to really do this, if I'm going to put away those 10 years of study for the career that I've always wanted to do, and I'm going to go do this instead.
00:50:49
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One, i want to make sure I'm safe. Two, I want to make sure my family is safe. i want to make sure my animals are safe. i want to make sure the people that are my life are safe. That was my biggest thing was safety. And so I would go to my team and I would say, i would go to God, I'd go to the angels, I'd go to wherever was the most appropriate. I'd say, what do I need to know to keep myself safe so that I can do this work safely and effectively?
00:51:12
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And the answer was always the same, was do your inner work. Do your inner core work. Do your healing you healing
00:51:21
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And that the answer still has never changed.
00:51:27
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And so when I was trying to figure out, well, why, why, why? And then when and I started going through that boot camp experience and even years later into the development, as I was still learning, going through my own healing, oftentimes I myself would get spirit attachments.
00:51:42
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And don't get wrong, there's layers of that. Part of it was so I could, you know, if I have a wound and that they're anchoring into, they're attaching to. And again, one that just tells me, oh, look, there's something for me to work on.
00:51:53
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So it was nice for me to narrow in on what healing or my healing journey needed to go next. But also helping me to build the skills in order to remove things. So I practiced a lot of myself and on friends and family for a long time before I started doing it professionally.
00:52:10
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But going into that,
00:52:16
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when I would get these attachments, I would have these spirits coming and poking at my wound, they would amplify it.
00:52:26
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So something that if I were to scale and experience 10 being the worst experience and highest emotionality I could ever feel, one being a zero, Your regular day, this may have been a two. Wouldn't have been that bad.
00:52:39
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On a day that I was compromised and I had something poking at my energy, was about an eight or a nine. The intensity and the wounding was more.
00:52:50
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The emotions that would be amplified. So whether that be, again, shame, sadness, regret, um disappointment,
00:53:03
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self-judgment, they would amplify all those things. And only to, again, to shift my frequency lower to, as as my frequency would shift lower and my mood would start getting lower, I would start manifesting lower energy. It's through my wounding.
00:53:21
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And that's what they would feed off of over time.
00:53:25
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And so when I've talked to individuals that do do exorcisms and who, like myself, or do entity removal as well, oftentimes we've all had very similar advice from the spirit world, which is to do that inner healing, do that work.
00:53:42
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Mm-hmm. And that's why always say, you know, through in regards to spiritual protection, doing your inner healing, doing that shadow work, learning to love yourself, learning to accept the parts of you that you've always been told not to, the parts that you were told directly indirectly as wrong, to really come into those spaces with more compassion, more understanding, more love, more healing. Like wounding happens in the absence of love of some capacity. And like, so when we're healing things, we're going to want to bring some of that love and understanding.
00:54:13
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You always say you don't judge the version of you now from the past version of you who didn't know what you know now. You didn't have the skills. didn't have the awareness. You weren't developmentally there, whatever the story is.
00:54:24
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Yeah, I know. It's so wild like just how hard we can be on ourselves when it's like, ah you know, I can't believe I let that happen. or that It's like. You know. you know Yeah. and what you know miss Right. Like, have some compassion.
00:54:39
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you don't
00:54:43
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I always tell people, like, know, give yourself some grace because the world doesn't give us enough. We're constantly told one way or another that there's something wrong with us. And no one was really born thinking that there was anything wrong with me.
00:54:58
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That's all conditioning. No one was born thinking that there's something inherently wrong with me when they first came out into the world. Somewhere along the way, life talking is different. Yeah.
00:55:10
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Jordan, are you i was okay if we go a little bit longer? You're okay. I was going say, what, um, what do people get wrong about demonology or demons or, or the scarier darker things?
00:55:25
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Like what are some maybe common misconceptions that people get wrong about stuff? Um, I think the first misconceptions that I would say is everything's a demon.
00:55:36
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Not everything is a demon. First and foremost. Yeah. There's many types of beings that are of a lower frequency. ah I always say, you know, I had an earthbound soul come in once that felt very dark, very scary, very malicious.
00:55:52
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And when I stepped into the energy to figure out what was this, it was actually a child that had been murdered. They were not happy. They felt that their life was taken from them too early. They were very scared.
00:56:08
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And, you know, sometimes being big and scary is a lot more defensive than being sad and vulnerable. And so their energy projection was quite vicious. But other individuals who had investigated those spaces automatically went to it's a demon because they felt how vicious the energy was.
00:56:28
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It wasn't a demon. And so they would do things to try to remove the demon from the home and nothing was working.
00:56:37
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Because it was never, it wasn't actually a demon. So one not jumping to it's a demon is really important. um Also because when we think of something being as demonic, we oftentimes people automatically step into a place of fear.
00:56:52
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isn And one thing I have learned the most about doing protective work in the dark is that fear is an amplifier for the dark.
00:57:03
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The moment we step into fear, we step out of our own connection with our own divinity. As individuals, as souls, we are all connected to source.
00:57:15
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This is one thing Team Tommy said. Every single one of you on the planet, every single being is all connected to source. We all came from something. And therefore you will of yourself are a divine being.
00:57:29
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And so to step into fear puts you into a place of almost like you're putting your place into a yourself into a place of sub superiority, like you're underneath them. And the moment you do that, they're like, you now start giving up your free will.
00:57:43
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Because you don't step into the understanding that you yourself are everything. You are powerful. You are strong. Sure, you might have life experiences that might make us question or doubt those aspects, but at your core, you are a divine soul.
00:58:00
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not We are not one above or below one another. We are all equal the same that way. So nothing has the right to take you over. Nothing has the right to step into that unless, this is the hard lesson, unless we succumb to our wounding.
00:58:14
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Because if there's ah parts of us that don't believe that we have the right to make choices, the part that of us that believe that because of, again, adverse life experiences, that you don't have a right to say no, people won't listen if you set boundaries anyway. The beings are going to take advantage of it. that's why i say again that inner healing work is so important.
00:58:35
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And they can see through that if you haven't. you I used to have beings come in where I would tell them that they needed to go. And that I was in my divine right in order to say no. And I'll never forget. I had an entity come in one day and went, and you say that, but you don't believe it.
00:58:53
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And I went,
00:58:57
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not wrong, but I'm still going to sit in what I'm saying because even though there are parts of me that I'm still working through, I know but I have a right to say no. And they respected that. That was a big eye opener for me.
00:59:10
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And then my team explained to me, that they said, it's the same thing as if you're a person that says, you you know, as a person who's, you know, putting on this presentation and, you know, you're acting like the expert, you're confident, you're self-assured.
00:59:24
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And then, but inside you're actually terrified. But all that bowstring was just a mask. like, the difference with these beings is that they see through the mask and they don't deal with the mask. They deal with what you're projecting outward. So you can be saying one thing, but your energy speaks something different.
00:59:42
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It is so incredible. Just the power of belief and how that can impact your voice, your presence, how
00:59:55
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Your resonance with people, you know, it carries weight. Your performance with a variety of different things. ah When you believe what you are saying and there is you're convicted about it, right? Like it's truly powerful.
01:00:09
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they they're all So many people don't realize that. There's been times when I've experimented with that and I'm like, you know, I'm going to set myself into a different frequency, one where I'm a little bit more in the subservient wounded state.
01:00:24
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And I'll watch the behavior of people around me and they'll start treating me different. They'll talk to me different. And then I'll shift my frequency to a more empowered state. And suddenly people are now asking me for more advice. They're doing things that I direct them to do. Like their behavior of everybody, their interactions, their attitude towards me significantly shifts. And I haven't done anything different in the physical. My energy is just projecting differently.
01:00:53
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mean, well, your internal state shapes your outer reality. It does. okay and And we know this or we read about it. if it its I don't know. And maybe it's one of those things too. Like I don't talk a whole lot about spiritual bypassing, but it's a thing. And you know, just you you can't just say these things. You actually have to do it. You don't get to skip it.
01:01:19
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You don't. And that's the thing too, is working in this field with individuals that are on the spirit. always tell people when people read energy. So we can present one way, we can mask one way.
01:01:31
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But when you're working in a field where people who are energetically sensitive or again, who have experienced trauma, so their nervous systems are primed to read the vibes, people can see through you.
01:01:43
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Entities and energetic beings are no different, right? And so when I think about the dark, I'm like, they can see it. So the best way of protecting yourself is doing that in our work. But yeah, in regards to that, yeah, have not everything's a demon.
01:01:56
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Stay out of the place of and understand that you have divine right and authority. Yeah. Your own energy bodies, your own energy system, your own life experience. You are your own divine soul. Nothing gets to overtake you or overpower you unless you let it. Do not let it.
01:02:11
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And there's also grace of being able to say, hey, I'm in a human body and I don't know all the answers. There was many times where I'm like, look, I understand that I'm not projecting out as empowered as I need to be at this point in my journey. This was way back when.
01:02:27
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But I can understand, I know enough that I have a right to say no. And that was a lesson I learned really young because I had energetic beings coming in when I was very young um telling me to essentially commit suicide.
01:02:44
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And I remember being so overwhelmed and so like I could feel the energy pushing on me. And I didn't know it was a medium at this time. I was around 15, 16 at this time. And I was terrified because I was like, there's something different about this.
01:02:59
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And I was i was horrified. And no matter how much I tried to get out of the thoughts, I couldn't. And I could feel, energetically looking back, I could definitely feel the oppression of it. And I'll never forget, I sat there and i went, you know what?
01:03:13
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I don't know how to stop this. So God, whatever's up there, I need help. I don't want this anymore. Whatever's causing this needs to go. And the moment I asked for help, suddenly a voice came in and said, she said, no, you need to go.
01:03:30
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And they would argue back and forth. And then eventually it came to kept hearing, she said, no, she has stepped into her choice. You need to respect the choice. And then I saw something come in and grab something off me. And all of a sudden, all the anxiety, all the fear, all the self-olation.
01:03:47
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Shame, all the suicidal thoughts were instantly gone like, and I was just enveloped in love. Wow. so that moment taught me, you can say no. And there were many times that, again, before I knew my contract, before I knew anything, I would wake up being attacked by spirit at night.
01:04:06
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And I always knew to ask for help. And so when I started stepping into this work, I learned, well, there's the law of free will. You have the, you have choice. Yeah. And so when I would have these energetic beings that would come in and say, you're saying it, but you don't believe it, I would own it and I'd say, you're right.
01:04:25
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I'm working on that right And I understand there are aspects of my consciousness that don't believe that I have a right to say no because of life experiences. And I'm not going to deny that. I understand that.
01:04:36
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However, what is also true is that there are parts of me that understand and are in the state of knowing that I do have a right to say no. Because I keep telling you no.
01:04:49
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So therefore, you have to respect my free will. Under the law of free will, you have to respect this. And I am working on those parts that are still wounded. I'll get there.
01:05:01
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But I'm also not going to punish myself for not being perfect. There are many aspects of me. As much as there are aspects of me that don't feel like I can say no, there are other aspects of me that understand that I do have a right to say no and are concrete and and you need to respect.
01:05:16
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And then I would ask for the most appropriate support to come in and they would come in and gruff it. Because even though I was still wounded, it didn't mean that I couldn't step into free will. It didn't mean that I couldn't enforce divine law.
01:05:28
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It didn't mean I couldn't protect myself even though I wasn't perfect. And I'm still not perfect. There's always going to be something new to heal as far as I'm concerned. So it's an ongoing journey. i know, right?
01:05:39
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what So I don't know. Spirit but doesn't expect us to be perfect. They don't expect us to be fully healed fully. I mean, you're at such a low frequency because we inhabit a human form and that's okay. It's a part of the joke. Yeah.
01:05:52
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Boring if we were perfect all the time. Yeah. What fun would it be, right? Yeah. Exactly. I'm like, our wounding gives us opportunities to have new experiences, to understand ourselves in different ways. I never expect myself to be 100% healed.
01:06:06
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But i can get to a place where, as I said before, the wounding doesn't have to run your life. And therefore, spiritually are more protected because, as I said, these low-frequency beings are on the same frequency. When you're a match or when they're a match for certain of things, they can see it, they can engage with that, they can interact with that, they can focus.
01:06:28
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So you, so interesting. So we're never alone. We can ask for help and your voice, your authority carries weight, free will.
01:06:39
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Absolutely. Wow. So life experience get us to doubt and to question our own power, but I always tell people you and your own right are connected to source. You are a divine soul. You have a right, you have choice.
01:06:56
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said Does it matter when you ask for help, who you ask for help from at all? Or is it just as simple as like, I I'm asking for like your team, your spirit team, guidance.
01:07:11
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Um, I've been taught from my team that it does matter to a degree. Um, because one thing that I've learned is that. The other side is very political in regards that there is sections of authority.
01:07:28
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And certain beings have authority over certain of things and don't have authority over others. And so the spirit world is so diverse in energetic beings. I mean, know we talked a little bit today about some demonic, some earthbounds, but there are other beings out there that are not even from this universe that come in at times to enact harm.
01:07:54
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And so i know everybody, and this is take, but i remember when I was in my development, everybody always told me to call an Archangel Michael. And I would call on Archangel. Coltrif's me. I called on him.
01:08:07
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And I will never forget his energy would come in and he'd say, that's not my department. And I'd be sitting there going, what do you mean? This is it. And he's like, it's not my authority. He'd stand there and watch.
01:08:19
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And I could feel him projecting out energy ah to the being, like play by the rules. But he wouldn't actually interfere. And I'll never forget that because everybody used to tell me, just call him Michael, call him Michael, call on Michael. And I'm like, Michael's not doing it.
01:08:36
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So then I started asking my team, what do I need to do? And they went, this centered this being that came in, they're not from your universe. They don't listen to Michael. They have a different authority.
01:08:47
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They have their own hierarchy. They have their own chain of command. And I'm like, okay, so what do i do? And they're like, call in the most appropriate.
01:08:59
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So I would call in the most appropriate. And I would have, you'd be surprised of different things that would come in. And sometimes I would always have Mike. I would always end up having Mike there because Michael comes in for me a lot.
01:09:12
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Uh-huh. And sometimes I would watch Michael earlier on and not gotten to be more involved in the conversations. But Michael would start talking to that being about, like, the laws here in our universe.
01:09:24
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isn And then that being would talk to their being in explaining the laws. And then they would take the being away. And it wasn't that the being was a initially trying to cause harm. It just...
01:09:37
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I would say sometimes your best intention is not somebody else's best intention. Sometimes what's the best outcome for you is not the best outcome for them, and sometimes they clash. So sometimes beings would come in different ET species, different interdimensional species that weren't trying to cause harm, but my best interest, my safety, did not align with theirs.
01:10:02
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So the spirit world is- Are there certain species that we need to be out of? Are we talking about like Draco, Reptilians, Arcturians, Pleiadians? hey It depends.
01:10:15
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I've had some Reptilians come in that were quite vicious, some Draconians come that were quite vicious, but then I've also had come in and protect me when something was trying to jump on me. think it depends on soul agreements.
01:10:28
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There is interdimensional and galactic agreements that are happening. Depending on an individual's soul contract, their life experience, they're going to be exposed to different things.
01:10:40
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As much as I do demonology work, so yes, I deal with a lot of demonics and a lot of entity removals that are demonic. I do a lot more than just demonics. Some of them are ETs, some of them are interdimensional species, some of them are celestials. There's so many different levels of consciousness that can enact harm, even if they don't mean to.
01:11:02
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And so I always have always turned it. I've done this ever since I was a kid. I would call it the most appropriate. And that is something that I still continue to do with on this day because I'm not so in my ego to think I'm ever going to be able to fully understand the spirit world. That is way too complicated than what my brain will ever be able to do.
01:11:22
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there's what What are the the galactics coming here for?
01:11:28
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in regards of... fering Well, just like, you know, in your interactions with them, like, what is their intention? It depends on the species. depends on the energetic being. There's various beings coming in for various different reasons. Some help humanity.
01:11:47
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Some to help humanity. Okay. it It really depends. So, and that's why I always say every case I've ever done is so unique because you learn...
01:12:01
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There's no, I've met a lot of folks who work with ETs and say that they're all lovely and they're all beautiful. That has not been my experience. I've met many that are lovely and beautiful and are on my team and come in to help and support who are engaged in protection work, that they're they're beautiful and they're helping humanity and it's in the planet and the galactic system. It's it's lovely.
01:12:25
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But there are others that don't come in with the same intentions. um with their own best intention that just might not be in alignment with ours. Yeah. that's right And as our frequency raises us and we're getting more and more closer to, you know, as we're sort in that ascension process as a collective and we're going be coming across some of these beings more.
01:12:47
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I'm not going to lie, I have a little bit of worry for folks who are, there's certain narratives that get shown throughout different periods of time in history. And I see a lot of narratives about ET species coming in are all going to be lovely and beautiful.
01:13:08
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And how they're all coming in for help. I think that that is not. Like coming in to like save us kind of thing? And I don't think that's necessary. That's not what I have seen. i have seen some not nice ETs taking over people's bodies at times where you would think it would be a demonic. It was not a demonic.
01:13:29
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Even doing creating systems in place to fracture human consciousness in public places.
01:13:40
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Clear. So it's I think there's risk in labeling everything in absolutes.
01:13:50
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Yeah. There is, as I said, there's, it's not necessarily good versus bad. It's just what's in my best intention versus your best intention. And sometimes they don't align. It's not personal.
01:14:01
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It just says what it is. So that's why I think call it the most appropriate for help and support to enforce your free will because... As I said, there's a lot of people where they've been told it's a demon, they've had the place exercised, they've had all these things done, and it turned out it was just an Earth.
01:14:17
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There was never a demon there in the first place. But if they called in the most appropriate for that situation to help resolve the situation, then they may have gotten additional support from the other side. Because the other side doesn't expect us to be experts at knowing every single species and knowing how to do everything.
01:14:34
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Yeah. much It's too complicated. So... That's, ah I mean, it's really helpful to know, right? That you have power that you can call in as help, most appropriate, and help resolve scary situation should it arise.
01:14:53
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no I did want to ask you. i've never asked for help and not in some capacity. Oh, that's important to me. Right. As long as anytime I've asked for support from the most appropriate and I really, and again, there's a difference between me doing this contract and me having to have certain life experiences and experiences so I could learn how to do the work versus when I was really in trouble.
01:15:17
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And in the moments when I was really in trouble, I've never been let down from asking for help. And then when they wouldn't step in, and but I could feel their energy come in kind of a distance, I'd be like, okay, what am I what am i learning?
01:15:28
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That's experience. There's something I'm learning to help in my development, but that's because that's my contract. For those who that's not what their job is to do, said calling on the most appropriate, i it is helpful.
01:15:40
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And knowing that you have a right to do so and that they're more than willing to do so, you just need to ask. Because of free will, they will not overstep their free will. Even the high frequencies of all.
01:15:51
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So. Okay. So ask for help. And no as I said, they've I've never not somebody come in to provide support in some capacity or even to help me enforce my free will.
01:16:03
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You can ask for help from your guides. You can ask for help from your higher self. can ask for help from your team. You can ask for help from the most appropriate to come in and help you reinforce your free will, even if you're if you're having a hard time doing so.
01:16:15
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Because we know, I said, if they're at that energetic frequency that they can poke at your wounds, anything that has malicious intent will do anything it can do to take you out of your free will and to take you out of your power.
01:16:27
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So you can ask for support to help reinforce it, too. Just a little...
01:16:34
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What do you think would be helpful? i mean, ah everything you're saying is is is very helpful to hear um and empowering, but for... therapists that are listening to this, um, because I know lot of therapists and I know a lot of them pay attention to things beyond just the clinical sense.
01:16:56
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What, what do you think would be most helpful for them to know? Right. Like as the takeaway from like that they can maybe just be aware of in their clinical work. Mm-hmm.
01:17:09
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um I suppose something that when I have talking to some of my therapist friends that are, you know, in the know, one thing we talk about a lot is recognizing that We are a soul having a human experience.
01:17:26
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So true healing has to come from different lenses and different modalities. There are certain things to help the physical body, right? More somatic exercises, more things to help re-regulate the nervous system. That's all for the body.
01:17:41
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but then there's your subconscious mind right so that you might need a little different approaches different um ways of treatment in order to support more the subconscious recalibration like hypnosis for example a lot of that inner child work that kind of stuff but there's the energetic component too right so doing energy working with energy healers individuals who can go into the chakra system who can support the energy bodies is also very helpful You're multifaceted beings. And I'll never forget my team explained to me. They said, you know, as as people, we
01:18:16
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we like to hit things from certain angles, but they're like, but you guys miss some sometimes. And they're like, so a part of true healing is more holistic. It's hitting all the elements. Yes, take care of the physical body, take care of the nervous system, but again take care of all aspects of your consciousness, and that's your energy system.
01:18:32
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There is power in being able to hit it from different angles. Even when I would go through my own wounding. So so my my present mind, my conscious mind, I was good. I worked through it. It was fine.
01:18:45
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It was cleared out of my energy system. It was fine. And then I would do some subconscious work and suddenly that same wound would keep coming. I would do some different stuff with the EFT tapping, for example. And I noticed that even though I had worked through something time and time again, there was another aspect or a layer of that wound in another aspect of my consciousness or an aspect of my being.
01:19:07
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And so doing that holistic work is really helpful.
01:19:14
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And I've met a lot of practitioners who are now taking more of a holistic approach in their work. And it doesn't mean, I understand, you know, when you're regulated and all that, there's certain things you can endorse there's certain things you can't.
01:19:26
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But being able to say, know, that there's multiple ways of healing and there's benefits in all in many different ways. Even I'll tell some clients, I'm like, look, your nervous system is like really overwhelmed. It's all tight.
01:19:37
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go get, if you can, a myofascial massage to, like, get that out, like, drain that lymphatic system, like, that helps, right? Like, you can do so many different approaches in order to support all aspects of consciousness in the body.
01:19:52
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I'd say that would be probably one of... And... and Another thing that I would say for therapists is, or at least those in the helping professionals, is recognizing that there's a lot of overlap between the metaphysical and spiritual community with traditional psychotherapy.
01:20:15
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There's a lot of times when I would go through different um trainings as a clinician. And then I would go through different classes in the metaphysics or the spiritual community. And I realized we're all talking a lot of the times about the same things. We're just using different language.
01:20:31
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Yes. it Yeah, I'm really glad to hear you say that. you know And um like, but it makes sense because certain souls are not going to go the metaphysical route. But they still need healing.
01:20:44
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And certain souls are not going to go the clinical route. They still need healing. So there is truth sprinkled throughout many modalities and practices. So, you know, just be mindful that we're all kind of on the same page. We're all supporting one another and meeting the souls and individuals where they're at on their soul journey. Who am I to say what a soul's journey is supposed to look like?
01:21:07
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Every soul has their own way that they chose to incarnate in the way that they wanted to do it. But one thing I've learned again from the other side is that no one is dismissed of healing and opportunities to grow and evolve and step into more of frequency of love.
Self-Reflection and Personal Growth
01:21:23
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And to really step into who they really are. And to understand who they are outside of the limitations that society has And so there's many, many different ways of doing and getting to that point.
01:21:36
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So it makes sense that there would be so many different types of healing modalities and different types of practitioners available to help all those souls on their own individual journey. Yeah. So we're all in this together.
01:21:50
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We are for sure. You got plenty of work in you though. We all do. We all do. We all We all turn the journey together. and We all get to help one another through it, whether it be through our own individual experiences or listening to someone else's story and then going, oh, I never looked at it like that.
01:22:10
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Maybe I should get a little bit curious about my own sense of self. We're looking at your own life in a different I always say the universe is a mirror and it will bring experiences to you to get you to relook at yourself.
01:22:22
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and look internal and to go inwards. The amount of times I have conversations with clients, whether it be through my clinical practice or more of my spirit work, and I'll sit there and I'll go, hmm, this conversation's coming up quite a bit. What does this mean for me?
01:22:35
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Right, exactly. Let me go internal. What am I holding on to that I need to learn from this? So I'm doing a lot of preaching. Am I practicing? Am I really owning that? Have I really embodied this belief?
01:22:46
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What in my own work is getting me in the way of me being able to do that, what I'm telling other people? We're on the journey together. None of us are perfect. Yeah. May we all embrace our humanness.
01:22:59
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Yep. Messy, but it's worth it. that
Future Projects and Conclusion
01:23:04
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Well, Jordan, this has been wonderful. What, um, what are you working on? you got a ah book in the works. Where can people find you uh, could learn from you and what you offer?
01:23:18
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So people can find me in my personal business at startsistersoflight.com. I am currently in the process of writing a book, all for individuals who are being called to engage in spiritual protection work from a healing perspective. So a lot of the things that we talked about is going to be very much expanded in that book.
01:23:41
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Okay. in the process of writing that right now. So I'm hoping to have that done by the end of the year, if fingers crossed.
01:23:48
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And then also I am a co-host on the Spirit Rescue podcast with Amy Major and then also a coach the Spirit Rescue Center for individuals who do want to learn to step into their intuitive abilities. And that school is really founded on the understanding of there's a million and one ways of working with spirit. We all are individual souls are our own journey with our own past life history, our own soul expertise.
01:24:13
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But, you know, there's some good foundational things that you can kind of learn. And then you can take that and shift it into the way that your own soul will flourish with it. So I'm all over the place.
01:24:27
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Well, you know, you are offering some very valuable um services and insights and helping people ah across the whole spectrum, you know, you in beyond. So it's super interesting.
01:24:45
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well Well, I'll share the links to all of those things that you met mentioned. And, you know, it's been a pleasure to have you on and thank you so much for sharing your wisdom with us.
01:24:57
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Thank you so much for having me, James. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. All right. Thank you.
01:25:05
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We don't run from the dark night. We walk through it together all the way to the morning. That's Dark Night Alchemy every week on Substack. And when you're ready to make your own world for real, I'm right here at jamesonealguide.com.
01:25:21
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Thank you.