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#74: Justice For Boq (Wicked Tangent)
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The boys are back and ready for a Wicked good time. Some spoilers are in this episode but nothing too crazy. We wish you all a fantastic Thanksgiving and as usual a huge Thank You to all of you that listen and laugh with us.
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Introduction and Thanksgiving Plans
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Kendahl
Alrighty then, well there's a movie reference for you. Good evening, good afternoon, good morning. I hope everything is going well in your world. This is Shut Off, Turn On, and I am your host, Kendall, today, and that is...
00:00:54
Julian Contreras Jr
I'm Julian over here, just hanging out.
00:00:57
Kendahl
With a little bit of slow on the uptake, it's all right. So it's we are recording this just 48 hours before Turkey Day.
00:01:02
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:01:08
Kendahl
So we're we're hoping to...
00:01:09
Julian Contreras Jr
Yes.
00:01:12
Kendahl
What?
00:01:13
Julian Contreras Jr
I said, yeah, we're trying to get this episode out there before you guys all get to your families, I guess.
00:01:19
Kendahl
Before we have all the the turkey and football and who
Weekend Activities and Theater Experience
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Kendahl
knows what, right
00:01:24
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:01:25
Kendahl
So, but in any case, how are you?
00:01:30
Julian Contreras Jr
Doing okay. Just a busy week. Had a lot of fun coming out of a really fun weekend, I guess. If you so went to the theater and braved all those crowds.
00:01:37
Kendahl
Nice.
00:01:41
Kendahl
Oh, we are a hundred percent going talking about that.
00:01:44
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, and then other than that, is that is it. Carolina lost last night. that i not Not expected, but I was hoping they could pull it off.
00:01:56
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:01:57
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, they did not.
00:01:58
Kendahl
i I can be honest. I'm not too far off. Like, I just, I feel like it's been a bit of a kind of lazy going week.
00:02:08
Kendahl
I know it's been a couple of weeks since we've been at this point in the conversation, but the, I mean, the funny thing is, is I did have some plans over the weekend and we'll get to that.
00:02:19
Kendahl
it's some, you know, some wicked good fun.
00:02:22
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:02:22
Julian Contreras Jr
OK, nice, subtle,
Suspenseful TV Show Discussion and Conqueror Challenge
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Julian Contreras Jr
very subtle.
00:02:28
Kendahl
But no, I got to say, OK, so we talked about a couple of movies this on our last podcast. We were going to talk about Running Man and talk about Now You See Me, Now You Don't.
00:02:40
Julian Contreras Jr
Mm-hmm.
00:02:40
Kendahl
And the funny thing was, is I... went to try to go get tickets. And because of some crazy big movie that was coming out, I, the the theater didn't have any tickets for anything other than Wicked. It was it.
00:02:59
Kendahl
It was, and then all these other, yeah, it was like all these little tiny, no nonsense, nobody cares about movies were playing, but it was like they dedicated every theater they could find to that screening.
00:03:00
Julian Contreras Jr
Oh, really? You have one of those theaters?
00:03:14
Kendahl
And so, yeah, I tried.
00:03:16
Julian Contreras Jr
I'm not going to say that's not a good idea because, i mean, with that I don't know the numbers because you looked those up for us.
00:03:23
Kendahl
I did.
00:03:23
Julian Contreras Jr
So we will we will get to those.
00:03:23
Kendahl
And we will talk about him. We will talk about it.
00:03:25
Julian Contreras Jr
But yeah, I could see smaller theaters just saying, no, nothing else is playing this weekend. This is all we're doing.
00:03:30
Kendahl
Right. Yeah. Well, and I was kind of surprised because I was like, oh, right. Well, because it wasn't that we didn't want to go see Wicked. We we did. We had tickets for it. But we also were like, OK, maybe we can go on Saturday and go see something. And I tried to get tickets for so I tried. to we tried to get for Running Man. And it was like 12 o'clock in the afternoon. That was the only ticket. of it There was one showing. And then for now you see me, now you don't. It was like some stupid morning. And I'm like, no, no, you're putting these as times because, you know, nobody's going to see it.
00:04:00
Kendahl
And then that same theater that night was showing Wicked, that that same like you know actual like film theater, that room.
00:04:08
Julian Contreras Jr
yeah.
00:04:09
Kendahl
And so it was just like, man, they just dedicated every single space possible to the to this film. so But before we get to Wicked, because we'll get there, I want to know, did you see anything this past week that was like you know out of your norm or...
Virtual Walking Challenges
00:04:26
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah. So it's the last recording with Cass, our guest. There was Derry episodes four and five. Five was just on Sunday and Pennywise finally made his appearance. It was amazing.
00:04:41
Julian Contreras Jr
so cool to watch the director and writer of this show has a great idea of what he wants to do with Pennywise. And he says right at the end of the episode that he did not want to bring him out in episodes one, two, three, or even four. He waited till five to build up that suspense and make it exactly the way he wanted it to be.
00:05:02
Julian Contreras Jr
And it was pretty awesome. I thought,
00:05:05
Kendahl
i have I have read a few... I don't want to call them reviews, hot takes. We'll call them hot takes. And that's that's a very close to almost every one of them was just like it was worth the wait.
00:05:18
Kendahl
It was absolutely worth the wait. It was exactly what they were hoping. The suspense led them to that moment and they did not let down.
00:05:26
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, they were down in the sewers and they're looking for it. They don't know what it is, really. They call it the entity or it it lives down there.
00:05:35
Kendahl
hmm.
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Julian Contreras Jr
And they're looking for him and the footsteps get heavier and heavier and it's a really dark tunnel. And i I'm sitting there geeking out. I'm like, oh my gosh, he's he's coming. He's coming.
00:05:46
Julian Contreras Jr
And he popped out of the dark and scared the two guys as like a an it version of Uncle Sam. And it wasn't was pretty cool.
00:05:56
Kendahl
Awesome. Awesome.
00:05:58
Julian Contreras Jr
But I'm hoping you guys are watching. I'm hoping you watch. I don't know if you have HBO Max. a It's not called Max anymore. It's just HBO.
00:06:05
Kendahl
It's, yeah.
00:06:07
Julian Contreras Jr
But with talking about that, I do want to bring up, you remember a little while ago I said I had finished the challenge for the virtual walk for Pennywise?
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Kendahl
Yeah.
00:06:16
Kendahl
Yes. Yeah.
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Julian Contreras Jr
with the conqueror so the metal finally came and i want to show you this thing kendall and i'll post a picture on instagram for everybody else to see uh not sponsored but you know i might as well be at this point because i've been telling everybody about it so i'm going to show you look at this thing right there in the camera it's there's the back of it it's got the loser club on it but then he does this
00:06:24
Kendahl
Okay.
00:06:35
Kendahl
Oh, that's awesome.
00:06:41
Kendahl
Yep. All
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Julian Contreras Jr
opens up and there's his dead lights and then if you look on the back there's little georgie looking in the sewer yeah and it's got the little red balloon that says i heart dairy yeah so the conqueror challenge it's super fun if you need a little extra motivation just basically walking around or working out and get miles in
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Kendahl
Oh, in the sewer. Nice.
00:06:56
Kendahl
That's awesome.
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Julian Contreras Jr
I think it's a very fun way to go because some of these medals are super cool. Like I actually love this one because I'm a huge Pennywise fan. So that will be hung up downstairs. But even like this little box.
00:07:19
Kendahl
That's cool.
00:07:21
Julian Contreras Jr
So he hides in this little window and there's a sewer.
00:07:25
Kendahl
Nice. Nice.
00:07:26
Julian Contreras Jr
So super cool.
00:07:27
Kendahl
Nice.
00:07:28
Julian Contreras Jr
Check it out. The Conqueror Challenge. If you want to get the Pennywise medal, just get in there and then walk 89 miles and then you're done. And then just wait.
00:07:36
Kendahl
hey It seems challenging, but I'll tell you, so I'm feeling like I should have done something like that for this as well. But we did we we did something called Walktober.
00:07:48
Kendahl
And Walktober went from the 1st of October through like the, don't know, like a week and a half into November. And i I got my numbers back the other day and it 439,000 steps.
00:08:05
Julian Contreras Jr
Wow.
00:08:06
Kendahl
439,000 steps. And I mean, i don't, I cannot remember how many steps is a mile. I think it's like 5,000 steps or something like that. Right. So we'll just, we'll just throw that out there.
00:08:16
Julian Contreras Jr
Something, yeah.
00:08:19
Kendahl
And that means, oops, that means I walked 87.8 miles.
00:08:25
Julian Contreras Jr
and You'd be right there.
00:08:27
Julian Contreras Jr
You could have one of these special medals. Yeah.
00:08:27
Kendahl
yeah
00:08:30
Kendahl
I know, right? I should have done That's all I'm saying. I should have done it. I could have conquered two things at once. And, uh, but I mean, and, and that's, in all honesty, that was an average out of about between eight and 10,000 steps a day.
00:08:34
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:08:42
Kendahl
So it seems like it's a lot, but it's really not.
00:08:42
Julian Contreras Jr
yeah
00:08:47
Kendahl
It's, it, it ends up being something that I think most people don't realize how much they walk.
00:08:51
Julian Contreras Jr
yeah i'm doing a couple little challenges before the new year and then i really want to do the entire lord of the rings walk It's seven medals and it's thousands of miles, I think.
00:09:02
Kendahl
Okay.
00:09:06
Julian Contreras Jr
So it'll be very challenging.
00:09:06
Kendahl
Hmm.
00:09:08
Julian Contreras Jr
I'll keep you all updated on that, but that's something in fun I'm doing for the new year. Just a little extra.
00:09:15
Kendahl
All right, so I got to ask you, side shift a little bit.
00:09:19
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, go ahead.
00:09:21
Kendahl
So Black Ops 7 came out.
Ark Riders Game Introduction
00:09:24
Kendahl
have you Have you even tried playing it yet?
00:09:25
Julian Contreras Jr
ha No, no. We're getting into the video game talk.
00:09:32
Kendahl
Just for half a second.
00:09:32
Julian Contreras Jr
No, this, it looks absolutely terrible. I'm not even going to try it. I'm glad you are. I'm trying to get you over with me into the little Fortnite area.
00:09:43
Julian Contreras Jr
i don't know what it's going to take, but I'm, I just can't wait for them to throw that landmine out there using their terms for you just to give up.
00:09:45
Kendahl
I know. yeah
00:09:53
Kendahl
Maybe they do a crossover.
00:09:56
Julian Contreras Jr
No, there's never going to be a crossover.
00:10:00
Julian Contreras Jr
no
00:10:00
Kendahl
So, OK, so besides that, though, I wasn't that's that actually wasn't the main point of my conversation. My my actual main point of like of the conversation was, have you seen the game Ark Riders?
00:10:12
Julian Contreras Jr
I have not seen it. I've been asked if i have played it yet. i was just asked today, actually.
00:10:17
Kendahl
OK. i I have i I also have been asked multiple times if I have played this game and it is just dominating every bit of gaming news out there right now. And so if you don't if you don't know what this game is, it is it supposedly it's like hands down the one of the greatest games that's come out in the last 10 years.
00:10:41
Kendahl
They've I'm sorry, Raiders, not writers.
00:10:44
Julian Contreras Jr
Yep.
00:10:45
Kendahl
it It has just been dominating every inch of news cycles for what is gaming. And I mean, we do entertainment, right? That's what that's the whole point of this show
'Wicked for Good' Movie Discussion
00:10:53
Kendahl
is is is really just movies and TV shows, but it's kind of entertainment and all. And like Ark Raiders is...
00:11:02
Kendahl
Just this comes out of left field and nobody was really thinking about it. And so far it has, i mean, it has one of the best, I'm i'm looking it up right now. It has, what it has like almost a perfect score on the review cycles. I'm trying to look at IGN and I think they gave it almost a perfect score. It's just, it's so stupid good.
00:11:26
Kendahl
And the visuals, i don't know if you've seen the visuals on this yet. It is just crazy cool. And I keep thinking back, do you remember, do you remember when Bioshock came out and how like crazy good that was?
00:11:39
Julian Contreras Jr
Yes.
00:11:43
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, I never played it myself, but I watched my brother play it.
00:11:44
Kendahl
This kind of,
00:11:47
Kendahl
See, and I was obsessed with Bioshock. Like, I literally i literally just got like beyond obsessed with it to the point where I played all of them, and I've played all of them at least twice. And like the very last part of, I don't like doing other reviews on this, but one of the very last things on this IGN review, if you guys know anything about IGN, they're huge gaming, like just overall news channel thing.
00:12:12
Kendahl
website. I don't know. uncom And it says for years, I've been wondering when someone would take the awesome promise of a genre to the next level. And arc Raiders is without question what everyone has been waiting for.
00:12:24
Kendahl
and And they're talking about the first person shooter, right? With a combination of open world and, you know, NPCs. But also, this is a squad based game. So like the reason it caught it got in my mind was because you were talking Fortnite, which is a squad based game. You know, in many aspects, there's part of Fortnite that is squad based. And that's what this is too, right? So you have this multiplayer position of it.
00:12:48
Kendahl
You can do solo if you wanted to. And it's all in fighting these like crazy, cool alien robots. So if you if you haven't seen anything on it, i I'm telling you, if you're anywhere remotely into the gaming world, go look up our creators.
00:12:57
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay.
00:13:05
Kendahl
It just the cinematics alone are just bonkers good. And so I I had to talk about it. I just I saw it. I had to talk about it
00:13:13
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay.
00:13:15
Julian Contreras Jr
No, it works for me. I like I haven't tried it yet, but I've heard so much about it that, you know what, this is the push that I need to go out and check it out some more.
00:13:24
Kendahl
just go Just go throw up some like YouTube videos on on reviews. I'll even send you i'll send you a couple of Instagram reels of just some cool cinematic moments in the game, and you'll see what I'm talking about. Just beautiful, beautiful game.
00:13:37
Kendahl
But anyhow, so my question is, do you want to just jump into the big part that is our our podcast today?
00:13:48
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah. the Yeah. I don't have anything fun to say about it. Just go ahead.
00:13:54
Kendahl
all Right.
00:13:55
Julian Contreras Jr
It was what it was.
00:13:55
Kendahl
Well, I mean, exactly. Okay. So just as a bring into the topic, wicked for good. Uh, obviously Wicked came out last year, around November.
00:14:11
Kendahl
And, you know, it's funny. It actually didn't even click into my head until yeah i think it was yesterday when I was thinking about this podcast that, I was like, why did they choose this point to bring this movie out?
00:14:21
Kendahl
Right. Why does at the end of the year, because all the big movies are during in the middle of the year, right. And that summer blockbuster. And it, it, it occurred to me, well, that's because wizard of Oz was released around this same timeframe,
00:14:28
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay.
00:14:35
Kendahl
back in its original air date in the 1950s. And so it's because it was a, it was that it was a late year Thanksgiving, Christmas release.
00:14:47
Kendahl
So anyway, just,
00:14:48
Julian Contreras Jr
I would have figured it had to do with a it's the time where kind of families are starting to wrap up and get together. There's fall breaks, so there's chances that more people will go at the exact same time. Bigger groups, if you would say.
00:15:03
Kendahl
I mean, maybe, but it was, it says, oh, it's 39. Wow, 39. I'm so sorry. So it was late August, early September.
00:15:17
Kendahl
And so it looks like it stayed in theaters and like became more popular towards the holiday time frame. Because it became... and Back then, if you remember movies...
00:15:27
Kendahl
Well, you and I remember movies stayed in theaters for a long time.
00:15:30
Julian Contreras Jr
What?
00:15:32
Kendahl
We were 1939, people.
00:15:32
Julian Contreras Jr
How old do you
00:15:34
Kendahl
Not but back when we were kids. Late ninety s early two thousand Movies would stay in the theater... for two or three months at a time. It didn't it didn't sit for 30 days and then and then you couldn't like me find a single theater that would show it.
00:15:52
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:15:52
Kendahl
It was just it it sat for for for weeks and weeks on end. And so. So, yeah, with it releasing in September, it was shown all the way through November, which.
00:16:03
Kendahl
I was thinking maybe that was a relationship to it, but I'm guessing not. So see, this is this is the real me, people. I'm thinking and it doesn't actually have to be anything.
00:16:13
Julian Contreras Jr
But it's out there now, so we're totally fine.
00:16:15
Kendahl
It is. So in any case, so Wicked for Good is the second half of Wicked that came out last year. And obviously we're talking about the Broadway play. This is the adaptation of it.
00:16:30
Kendahl
If you have no idea what we're talking about, I apologized for the rock that you have stayed under for way too long. And if you've chosen not to see this for any reason, why and who hurt you?
00:16:43
Kendahl
That's all I'm saying.
00:16:45
Julian Contreras Jr
It's just musicals. Like, if you don't like them, you don't like them. I wouldn't say you're hiding under a rock you don't have to go watch it.
00:16:52
Kendahl
I mean, if you don't know about it, you're hiding under a rock. this is That's just plain and simple.
00:16:55
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:16:56
Kendahl
But we're living in maybe North Korea.
00:16:56
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, it's been everywhere.
00:17:00
Julian Contreras Jr
Oh, my gosh.
00:17:03
Julian Contreras Jr
Sounds good. All
In-depth Review of 'Wicked for Good'
00:17:05
Kendahl
but
00:17:05
Julian Contreras Jr
right.
00:17:06
Julian Contreras Jr
Let's jump in. what What did you think of this this part?
00:17:12
Kendahl
Okay. My two cents are... I genuinely felt like... This went really fast.
00:17:21
Kendahl
I liked it. i mean, I did. i i I liked the film a lot. it It obviously was a lot of fun. There was still... you know, same good cast, same great acting, same vocals. But it moved a lot faster than the first one.
00:17:38
Kendahl
I mean, which makes sense, right? Because if you're thinking about a play, you have the beginnings that's building everything up. You have the climactic moment, which is the end of, you know, defying gravity.
00:17:49
Kendahl
That's the climactic point. Now it's the downhill shift to the to the end, right? And this kind of falls into that that avenue, right?
00:17:54
Julian Contreras Jr
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:17:56
Kendahl
But That's okay. i honestly, it's two hours and what, 15, 20 minutes long It doesn't feel like it. It absolutely doesn't feel like it. i I didn't even realize that we were coming to the end of the film, but I'm at a theater that you can buy drinks and and food and all that, right? And they're bringing me my check. And that's like, that that's the, hey, by the way, the movie's almost over. And you're like, dang you, you're ruining it. Because now you realize there's only like 30 minutes left in the film. But that was that moment. That was a cue for me going, oh man, it's been two hours already?
00:18:34
Kendahl
So, I mean, that was that's cool. like that about it. I have a couple of things that I didn't like about it.
00:18:43
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay.
00:18:45
Kendahl
Do you want to get to that or do you want to put in your two cents of what you liked?
00:18:49
Julian Contreras Jr
oh i'll I'll go and then I'll see if they correspond with each other because we have not talked about this.
00:18:54
Kendahl
Sounds great.
00:18:54
Julian Contreras Jr
We wanted to be fresh with each other. So i like to...
00:18:59
Kendahl
yeah I mean, we did we text back and forth. we We did text back and forth and we were like, hey, hey, hey.
00:19:01
Julian Contreras Jr
Huh?
00:19:03
Kendahl
But that that was the problem is that we're like we we hold we held off to the to the real conversation until this moment.
00:19:08
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah. Yes. I appreciated that it was faster paced. There was not the lol that I call the pawn scene.
00:19:19
Julian Contreras Jr
from the first one where you're like, oh my gosh, what is happening?
00:19:21
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:19:22
Julian Contreras Jr
This is 20 minutes and you're nothing's going on. This one kind of skips that and it has to go boom boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:19:27
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:19:30
Julian Contreras Jr
This is what's happening. This is the character we're doing. This is what's happening because they have so much to cover and they don't have defying gravity that is the end that you're looking forward to.
00:19:43
Julian Contreras Jr
You can't sing that song again
00:19:43
Kendahl
Right, yeah.
00:19:46
Julian Contreras Jr
So you have to come up with something else. So they did. They had two new songs that you have the names for, which they were faster songs.
00:19:53
Kendahl
Yep. Yeah.
00:19:57
Julian Contreras Jr
Like it didn't drag the movie down because they were new.
00:19:58
Kendahl
Yeah, so.
00:20:01
Kendahl
Yeah, so the the two songs are No Place Like Home, which Cynthia Reville plays Elphaba and Elphaba is in the woods with the animals and she's singing this song to kind of correlate to or almost pay homage to the original Wizard of Oz, it seems like, because, you know, remember, she says there's no place like home three times, goes to whatever.
00:20:23
Kendahl
And that's OK. mean, it wasn't a bad song, but it was OK. And then the second one is the girl in the bubble. And one of the things that I did read about the song was if they didn't have this song, there really wasn't another like solo moment for for Glinda or Ariana Grande to to be center stage moment within this part of Wicked.
00:20:50
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay.
00:20:51
Kendahl
So those are the two new ones.
00:20:52
Julian Contreras Jr
I did enjoy that one more so, but I did like all the CGI animals hanging out with Alphaba as she was singing that other song.
00:20:55
Kendahl
Correct.
00:21:02
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:21:02
Julian Contreras Jr
So, with those new songs included, I thought it was okay. there I definitely did not like it as much as the first one. I think I gave the first one an 8.5 or a 9.
00:21:15
Julian Contreras Jr
That is definitely not where I sit on this one.
00:21:18
Kendahl
All right. So just to throw it out there, where do you sit with this one?
00:21:18
Julian Contreras Jr
And I don't know
00:21:22
Julian Contreras Jr
It's a solid seven.
00:21:24
Kendahl
All right. It's almost just a hair off of a seven, right?
00:21:29
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:21:30
Kendahl
Yeah. Agreed.
00:21:33
Julian Contreras Jr
and it's There's nothing wrong with the movie. It's still really good. It ends the story really, really well. I liked the new ending to it where they added Ariana and her part.
00:21:44
Kendahl
Mm-hmm.
00:21:44
Julian Contreras Jr
You know, I'm just going to say it. She gets the power to read the book.
00:21:49
Kendahl
Yeah, the Grimery opens up for her.
00:21:51
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, that does not happen in any other story. That was strictly for the theater. So we had, i guess, a happier ending with all the dark stuff that happened.
00:21:59
Kendahl
Mm-hmm.
00:22:02
Julian Contreras Jr
And she goes away and she takes somebody with her. There is all that cool aspect. But what I want to as you can tell from the episode title that I wrote for this, and I text you this,
00:22:17
Julian Contreras Jr
Bach. Oh my goodness. They did him so dirty. There is no happy ending for that character.
00:22:21
Kendahl
They did. Yeah.
00:22:24
Julian Contreras Jr
At all. Like he's the Tin Man. And he's got nobody. He's got nothing. He's got no heart. They could go with the Wizard of Oz ending. But everyone else has their stuff.
00:22:35
Julian Contreras Jr
And the Scarecrow ends up where he does. If you've seen the movie you know what we're talking about. If you haven't I don't want to ruin it yet. But the poor Bach. Oh my gosh. This guy.
00:22:46
Julian Contreras Jr
the roughest two or three years in his life.
00:22:47
Kendahl
yeah
00:22:50
Kendahl
Well, and the funny thing is, is they, I feel like, so, comparative to the play, there's so much more, like, development, I guess, of his character in the position of where and why he becomes Ten Man, in a sense.
00:23:06
Julian Contreras Jr
Mm-hmm.
00:23:08
Kendahl
That's not in the play. That's not there. i mean, it's just not a part of that. And then his his just anger that like follows.
00:23:22
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:23:23
Kendahl
Right.
00:23:23
Julian Contreras Jr
I mean, Nessa Rose did do him dirty because she was like, oh yeah, go ahead.
00:23:24
Kendahl
a
00:23:26
Julian Contreras Jr
You can leave. Totally fine. Soon as he gets to the train station, it's like, oh yeah, by the way, you can't travel without a permit from Nessa.
00:23:35
Kendahl
Right. Right.
00:23:37
Julian Contreras Jr
And then he's like, wait, what? what And he sees it on the wall. He's like, I i see what she did.
00:23:42
Kendahl
Yep. and know And she's like, and he's like, oh, he's like, don't worry, I'll see you again. And she's like, oh, I know.
00:23:49
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:23:50
Kendahl
So it kind of it kind of develops the whole like why she becomes or what she is of the wicked w wicked wicked witch of the East.
00:23:50
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:23:53
Julian Contreras Jr
And
00:23:59
Kendahl
Like there's that I think that was the intent behind it is that they develop that that negative sense of why she becomes that term.
00:24:09
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, I don't know. It didn't deter me. That one didn't have anything to do with my rating. I just feel really bad for him. i mean, I talked to my wife about it. He did kind of like lead her on that he was interested, but he was just doing it for Glinda.
00:24:28
Julian Contreras Jr
And then he wanted to go.
00:24:28
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:24:29
Julian Contreras Jr
as soon as he found out she was getting married, he was like, oh, shoot, I got to go. And I got to tell her how I feel and hopefully change her mind.
00:24:33
Kendahl
Right.
00:24:37
Kendahl
Right.
00:24:37
Julian Contreras Jr
So, yeah.
00:24:39
Kendahl
So for me, the negative part for me was, was well, there was two things. One, I felt like the the buildup of the relationship that was in this this movie, without trying to give too much away, felt like it didn't feel right. like the the The character's dynamic did not, to me...
00:25:11
Kendahl
mesh. Do you know what I mean? Like sometimes you have those relationships on film and you're just like, wow, are they together? Because that was that was pretty genuine. Like you could feel the motion. You can feel the the, you know, I'll say that's like the sexual tension at times or that like sense of like wanting to be with each other. Like there's you could feel that just by watching them on screen. And in this one, I felt like it was forced.
00:25:40
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay, I can see that.
00:25:42
Kendahl
i just didn't And it's not to say that that relationship is forced. I'm saying between the two of them, I don't see or feel that in watching it, that sense of them in that connection. Like that connection just didn't seem to be made in those moments, right?
00:26:00
Julian Contreras Jr
okay
00:26:02
Kendahl
To then add to that, spoiler somewhat,
00:26:07
Kendahl
when you find out about the Scarecrow Man, there's not a much... Like, he's not even on screen for more than 30 seconds. You're like, oh, you're gone. Okay. no Okay.
00:26:19
Julian Contreras Jr
I mean, they did take him out to the cornfields and they were gave him a whooping that you could see in those little flash frames.
00:26:24
Kendahl
Barely.
00:26:25
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:26:26
Kendahl
Yeah, exactly. Barely. i just...
00:26:28
Julian Contreras Jr
Wow. Yes.
00:26:29
Kendahl
I feel like... That part of the film just, I get it. I get it because you you think to what is on the Broadway play.
00:26:41
Kendahl
I know that there's, there's, you have to be able to migrate some of that stuff to the film. But at the same time, I just, i don't know. I feel like there was some parts that they could have, they, they embellished and played around with some other parts of this play.
00:26:53
Kendahl
Why did they, why did they leave that at such a point? Like, why didn't you embellish that just a little bit? Because that would have created a little bit more, to me, of a dynamic in that that element of what would become the ending of this movie.
00:27:10
Kendahl
right i
00:27:11
Julian Contreras Jr
All right.
00:27:13
Kendahl
Now here's my second part to
Future Adaptations of Wicked and Oz
00:27:14
Kendahl
all that. Or not second part. I guess here's here's the next thing I've got for you. If you were, and I kind of hinted to this in our in our conversation before, if you took the first one and you took the second one and you just slapped them both together and you called it the, you called it wicked like playwright edition or theater edition or set edition, right? So like, you know that this is going to be the entirety of the Broadway play from beginning to end with the intermission in between. It's one long movie.
00:27:46
Kendahl
Then, Would you still have that lower rating for the second half of this movie? Or do you think it would feel more along the lines of a solid, good four and a half hour movie?
00:28:02
Julian Contreras Jr
uh i i think that it would sit somewhere in between i would have a really high score and then a really mediocre score putting them together and then if it was especially if it was four and a half hours and i sat there it would probably sit somewhere around seven and a half or an eight because they would collide with each other right there would be that culmination of defying gravity and that
00:28:19
Kendahl
Okay.
00:28:22
Kendahl
Mm-hmm.
00:28:26
Julian Contreras Jr
the energy it brings to, i guess your body and knowing that song is so powerful. But then after that, you would have two and a half more hours of like, okay, well, can we go, can we go back to that one?
00:28:33
Kendahl
Right.
00:28:41
Julian Contreras Jr
Can they sing that one just like a little bit more?
00:28:44
Kendahl
just Just have a flashback to that for a second. I do have to say, i mean, I think Cynthia Erivo and Ariel Garande's relationship on this was a very big dynamic to it. Now, that is a genuine relationship that I felt was connected. They they were good friends. they They felt the pain. They felt the anguish. They felt the sadness between each other. right they they They felt the heartache of separation. They felt the heartache of having to deal with the different parts of their lives. I i genuinely believe that in those moments of those parts of the film.
00:29:17
Kendahl
And so to me, that is a relationship that was like, wow, they did a good job. Right. They really brought those two really brought it to the screen for obvious reasons.
00:29:22
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah. Right.
00:29:25
Kendahl
They're obviously I mean, by all main purposes, they are the characters of the show. But I still, you know, I still look at it as the same like you what you're saying. i I feel like there was just it didn't have the same energy in the second half as it did in the first.
00:29:46
Kendahl
Which is typical of a Broadway play, right? or just a play in general, like you that is typical. you know I think of like Hamilton, right?
00:29:51
Julian Contreras Jr
yeah
00:29:52
Kendahl
You wanna put a relationship between two really great, high performing, good, solid, emotional plays. You have Hamilton and you have Wicked. Hamilton, though, I feel like has a couple of those up spikes that you're like, oh, this is how such a good song. And you're like, you're like kind of ramped up from that last little bit. And then it kind of comes back down and then they ramp up again and just has this like a roller coaster emotion through the whole thing.
00:30:20
Kendahl
And I feel like in this one where there could have been, and and you know i I don't have the fortunate effect of being able to see this play in person. I've never seen in play in person.
00:30:32
Kendahl
I know the play from beginning to end.
00:30:32
Julian Contreras Jr
You're missing out.
00:30:34
Kendahl
I've watched the play in in film form of them recording it. I mean, and I can see the lows in that, but I feel like this still didn't catch the highs that could have been in them in that ending portion.
00:30:49
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:30:50
Kendahl
especially Especially when Glinda and Elphaba meet just after the introduction of Dorothy into the play.
00:30:51
Julian Contreras Jr
Right.
00:31:02
Julian Contreras Jr
So with that all being said, we both liked the movie. I give it a seven. I think you right there-ish. Okay,
00:31:09
Kendahl
i'm Yeah, i'm about as I'm right at seven.
00:31:12
Julian Contreras Jr
so it was a good way to wrap that movie up. Now, I haven't heard anything yet, but when, Kendall, do you think we will get the word that they are doing The Wizard of Oz in this style?
00:31:25
Julian Contreras Jr
And let's just say John Chu does do that.
00:31:30
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:31:30
Julian Contreras Jr
I would look forward to it, but we would all know the story.
00:31:32
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:31:33
Julian Contreras Jr
I don't know if they he would change anything because it's not a musical. Right. So I have a feeling it'll be in the next two or three years that somebody will be like, we can do it.
00:31:41
Kendahl
I don't know.
00:31:47
Kendahl
So I did read, before we go there, I do want to talk about really quickly, like, okay, so you know, we both gave it a pretty. I mean, we'll say it's a solid score. I mean, it's not a bad
Box Office Success of 'Wicked for Good'
00:31:58
Kendahl
movie by any means.
00:31:59
Julian Contreras Jr
Right.
00:32:00
Kendahl
But one of the things to think about. So this did 150 million i here in the States, 226 million worldwide. It was the absolute biggest opening for any Broadway musical adaption of any play that's ever been to the film.
00:32:17
Kendahl
ever so i mean it definitely broke records in that sense so don't take what we're saying and saying
00:32:21
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay.
00:32:23
Kendahl
i'll wait no no no no it really is worth going to see just understand that we're talking about this shift that is from the first movie to the second movie But that being said, I did hear rumors that there are possible.
00:32:39
Kendahl
What do you want to call them like spinoffs for Ariana Grande's character of Glinda that they have been already in the talks on?
00:32:45
Julian Contreras Jr
okay
00:32:49
Kendahl
And John Chu is in in the talks of of producing them or directing them.
00:32:53
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay.
Disney's Movie Remakes Controversy
00:32:55
Julian Contreras Jr
I'll have to look into that because I enjoy John Chu's work. He does have a good eye for entertainment and everything. So anytime you want to be on the show, we know you're listening.
00:33:01
Kendahl
Well, and...
00:33:03
Julian Contreras Jr
So John Chu, you come on the show whenever you want to.
00:33:05
Kendahl
yeah Well, and so, and Stephen Schwartz has also been part of this. So if if if you don't know, Stephen Schwartz is the, he's the, the original playwright for Wicked, right?
00:33:15
Kendahl
And then he was part of the adaptation process as well. You even saw him in the original one when they're going into the Emerald City. He says, he's the one that says the, the wizard will see you now, right?
00:33:28
Kendahl
So that's, that's Stephen Schwartz.
00:33:30
Julian Contreras Jr
Mm-hmm.
00:33:30
Kendahl
You, you know, you've you've seen him. yeah. it's interesting if that does happen. I, I don't know. I feel like with, I think the wizard of Oz is one of those films. It's like, it's like gone with the wind. You just can't, you can't remake something like that.
00:33:48
Kendahl
But, I mean, we've seen over the years they remake films and it's like, why? mean, point in case. Why do we have a live version of Moana coming out? We we just saw Moana as a cartoon like yesterday. And now we're doing a live version already?
00:34:07
Kendahl
What?
00:34:09
Julian Contreras Jr
I don't know. I don't know. That's that's not my business on that one.
00:34:11
Kendahl
whoo Who asked for that?
00:34:12
Julian Contreras Jr
They can do what they want with their money.
00:34:14
Kendahl
Oh. Just Disney. Disney, i you know what, Disney, again, we we know you're listening. We know that you are absolutely on the edge of every single one of our releases for a podcast.
00:34:27
Kendahl
Just stop it. Just stop. no one No one asked for it.
00:34:31
Julian Contreras Jr
Well...
00:34:34
Kendahl
No one asked for it.
00:34:34
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, but the same thing, you loved How to Train Your Dragon. And I know that's not Disney, but you loved it.
00:34:41
Kendahl
that's That's a complete difference.
00:34:41
Julian Contreras Jr
You gave it a 10.
00:34:42
Kendahl
That was 20 years. That was 20 years separated.
00:34:49
Julian Contreras Jr
All right, all right.
00:34:49
Kendahl
i mean i mean, come on that's it was i mean Maybe it wasn't 20 years. Maybe it was like 15. I don't know. But still, regardless, i mean you you have you have grown adults now that remember watching that as children. Sure.
00:35:04
Kendahl
i my child remembers watching Moana for the first time and she's still a child in the sense of she's still in elementary school that she hasn't even been able to move out of elementary school before they're like oh yeah do you remember that one film where we made of Moana let's do a live action why not who what Disney Disney Disney
00:35:26
Julian Contreras Jr
I love that I it threw a grenade in there.
00:35:31
Kendahl
Well, I mean, look, they've got their hands in everything anymore. i mean, Disney's got their hands in Fox. They've got their hands in MCU universe. they've they've now Obviously, they've got their hands in everything that is Pixar.
00:35:44
Kendahl
Just make up your mind and stick to it because you're not doing well on the MCU universe. Everybody sees that. i mean, you had a one shot off with you know the Fantastic Four. You know, applaud. Good job. You did something right. Maybe. Maybe. Then you just sucked it up terribly for the rest of the MCU universe. Pixar hasn't made a decent, really good film in a while. I mean, Ilio was yeah okay. It wasn't bad. But name another one over the last five years that's been successful.
00:36:15
Kendahl
Oh, right. You can't because they're terrible. Right?
00:36:18
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, well, you got Predator Badlands in there now.
00:36:18
Kendahl
they're just Pick a lane, Disney. Just saying.
00:36:23
Kendahl
That's you're going down the Fox line again. Like they're, they're just, that's, that's what I'm saying. Like you could do that, I guess. Okay. I'll give it that. that was Sure. Fine. Whatever. Like, okay.
00:36:33
Julian Contreras Jr
right.
00:36:33
Kendahl
So you can have the one-offs in the 30 in between that they threw millions and millions of dollars down the toilet. They're like, let's see if this works.
00:36:40
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:36:41
Kendahl
And it doesn't. So then let's just keep throwing money everywhere. And then, and then they raise the prices of Disneyland because they say, Oh, we can't make money back. And so then they just do. Disney, pick a lane.
00:36:52
Julian Contreras Jr
All right.
00:36:53
Kendahl
Pick a lane.
00:36:54
Julian Contreras Jr
Okay. All right.
00:36:55
Kendahl
Why?
00:36:55
Julian Contreras Jr
Let's pick a lane. We're going to move on. We're going that off ramp. Right. That's the lane we're choosing right now.
00:37:01
Kendahl
New title. New title. Kendall goes off on a wicked tangent.
00:37:08
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah.
00:37:10
Kendahl
See, this is what they come for.
00:37:11
Julian Contreras Jr
Uh,
00:37:12
Kendahl
This is what they come for. They they they come to hear me rant and they love it. I know this because they've said so. But at the same time, I'm sorry that I had to go off on like that. We'll maybe edit that later. I don't know.
00:37:25
Julian Contreras Jr
No, that's going in. That's you. That's all you, Mr. Disney over there.
00:37:32
Julian Contreras Jr
I do want to talk about, so now that that's over, where we're looking forward to that. That's done and over
Upcoming Movie Releases
00:37:37
Julian Contreras Jr
with. And it's funny how that happens in the entertainment world. Like you're so amped up to see it. You go opening day, you take your wife when she's supposed to be at work.
00:37:46
Julian Contreras Jr
And then you're like, hey, let's just go see a movie real fast and not tell anybody.
00:37:50
Kendahl
here
00:37:51
Julian Contreras Jr
So we go, we see that and it's over. And now we want to look forward to December 5th, another movie that's coming back to theaters in what Kendall says the full show, Kill Bill, The Whole Bloody Affair.
00:38:09
Kendahl
Oh, wow.
00:38:10
Julian Contreras Jr
This is volume one, volume two, and some deleted scenes, Kendall.
00:38:11
Kendahl
That's cool. Okay.
00:38:16
Julian Contreras Jr
This is not Quentin's new movie.
00:38:17
Kendahl
Okay.
00:38:19
Julian Contreras Jr
He's got, I think he said he wants to do 10 or 12. I don't remember what the quote was, but this isn't it. This is just something special for every Kill Bill fan out there. I believe that's coming to theaters December 5th.
00:38:31
Julian Contreras Jr
And then, of course, December 19th, the one I'm personally looking forward to, the one I need the new movie poster for, but I can't find it.
00:38:37
Kendahl
Yeah. Yep. I dude, I have tried. i have tried to find this. I have found, i found a French version, but I haven't found an American version yet.
00:38:50
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah. And of course, I am talking about The Housemaid.
00:38:51
Kendahl
Of course we're talking about
00:38:55
Kendahl
the housemate.
00:38:55
Julian Contreras Jr
If you haven't seen the new book cover for this with the Sydney Sweeney and...
00:38:56
Kendahl
Exactly.
00:39:01
Julian Contreras Jr
Oh my gosh. Amanda Seyfried with the keyhole.
00:39:03
Kendahl
There you go.
00:39:05
Julian Contreras Jr
It looks amazing. I can't wait for the movie. I don't care. i i really hope it doesn't bomb. But if it sticks to the story and is fun like the story, I can't wait for it.
00:39:19
Julian Contreras Jr
Super excited to see that one and Kill Bill.
00:39:19
Kendahl
I mean i've seen I've seen a few, i don't want to say early thoughts on it, but there have been a couple of early like film reviews of it. And they're not full reviews, but they have said that it's very close to the book.
00:39:45
Kendahl
So to me, that tells me, I mean, and even so freedom of Fadden was also a major part in the adaptation. So if it's anywhere near the book, which, you know, the book was great.
00:39:58
Kendahl
i I don't I can't see how it would go wrong unless the acting is just phoned in. That's the only thing I can see.
00:40:05
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, well, let's not jinx it before it happens.
00:40:05
Kendahl
But yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:40:08
Julian Contreras Jr
But that's all I have for today.
00:40:09
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:40:10
Julian Contreras Jr
we covered quite a few things.
00:40:11
Kendahl
Yeah.
00:40:12
Julian Contreras Jr
Sounds like Kendall wants to talk a little bit more about Disney, but I don't know if we'll let him.
00:40:16
Kendahl
You know, maybe next time. Maybe it'll be a solo episode one of these days. Just me screaming at the mic about Disney.
Thanksgiving Reflections and Gratitude
00:40:24
Julian Contreras Jr
all right. I want to wish everyone out there a happy Thanksgiving.
00:40:27
Julian Contreras Jr
If you're listening to this with a family member who hasn't heard us before, hey, welcome to the family. We love that you're here. Everyone have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Careful when you're deep frying those turkeys.
00:40:40
Julian Contreras Jr
Always follow the rules. Not in your garage. Don't do that. Make sure it's fully thought out. Enjoy food. That's what I have to say.
00:40:52
Kendahl
Food, food good.
00:40:54
Julian Contreras Jr
Yeah, food good.
00:40:54
Kendahl
Food in belly is good.
00:40:55
Julian Contreras Jr
dude Two words. right. This is your is your platform here.
00:40:59
Kendahl
Ha ha ha ha but
00:41:01
Julian Contreras Jr
I don't know if you want to use it for Disney again.
00:41:02
Kendahl
yeah yeah
00:41:03
Julian Contreras Jr
What do you have for us, buddy?
00:41:05
Kendahl
No. You know what? I'm going to tell you right now. I had a few moments this last week where I remembered some loved ones, some things that were that were told to me, and some lessons that i learned through their life. And this is, I think, that time of year that we can reflect on the good and wonderful things that happen to us.
00:41:22
Kendahl
Again, sometimes it's always the negative and the bad things that take the limelight and the news and all the things in every cycle of social media we have. But the reality is,
00:41:34
Kendahl
there's a lot of amazing things out there, people. Movies, music, Ark Raiders. Not Disney. Stay away from that.
00:41:43
Julian Contreras Jr
Oh my goodness.
00:41:44
Kendahl
Nah, but in all seriousness, find time to love the ones that you love. five time Find time to hug those that you want to hug. Find time to give thanks to those, to the people that helped you, changed you, challenged you, and brought you to where you are today because every single thing that has ever happened to you has made you the person you are, regardless of how good or bad that moment was.
00:42:15
Julian Contreras Jr
Oh my goodness.
00:42:18
Julian Contreras Jr
Until next time, duck and cover kiddos.
00:42:22
Kendahl
And just remember, turn on something good.