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Season 5- Episode 30- Wrong Time to Spit it (Premiership Round 21 & Super Rugby Round 5)
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It's another jam packed episode with those rugby dummies from America. On this episode we are talking about the 6 Nations happenings including Sarah Hunter saying her farewell in her home town and a big performance from the Azzuri. We are also yapping about a critical round in the Prem including a few teams that virtually eliminated themselves from top 4 contention including the action at Kingston Park, Welford Road, Tottenham and The Rec. Yes, of course we did not miss out on a big round of Super Rugby where some teams clawed their way back in it while one team still is standing head and shoulders above the rest. We stop quickly in Quincy for what was a dreadful match, but sometimes you just win those and move on. All this, so much more, kick back and join us with a cold one won't you?
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts
00:00:02
Speaker
It is... The Fantasy Europeans. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody gambled that. Collusion! Collusion!
Podcast Announcements
00:00:25
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke. I'm Ben Glauser. Let's roll on. We got Prem to talk. We got Super Rugby to talk. We got Six Nations for TikTok, Six Nations to talk about. So let's get into it. I am cooking my beverage. So we can get into that. Share us on your favorite podcast app. Rate review, feedback, always welcome.
00:00:56
Speaker
as usual. All right. Um, next, do not forget about our good friend, George, the fancy Roby geek. That'll be, he's another busy boy. Obviously we've had a huge weekend the past weekend for many people trying to make their semi-finals for FRD. If you got there, yo, yo him a coffee. So let's just consider that. Well, I didn't. So I don't, maybe you should do it anyway. And
00:01:24
Speaker
And yes, and obviously we also have Super going on and I think he's, did he put something out for Six Nations this past weekend, didn't he? I believe so. Okay, so yeah, there's that too. Plus he was already doing work for them anyway, so I assumed as much. So yeah, buy that man a coffee or beer, however you wish to view it, help him out.
Controversial Media Coverage
00:01:44
Speaker
As always, there is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life, something
00:01:51
Speaker
for this week that hit home. It's a couple of weeks old, but hey, if it's a couple weeks old, maybe people have forgot about it. So let's bring it back around. It actually hits home for me because this is my school that I, that I coach at, but it's not my sport. Thankfully that this bullshit's not hitting. A transgender athlete helps the girls track team at Brookline win the state title. And regardless of what you think of that,
00:02:21
Speaker
The worst part of this whole thing is is Breitbart and Fox News outed the person with their full name as a high schooler. That is bullshit. Yeah, everyone. That itself is not acceptable on any level, no matter what athlete you're talking about, no matter what student you're talking about. That itself is bullshit. But of course, they don't care because they're going to push their bullshit right wing crazy agenda and just do whatever they feel like. And yes, they are. Yeah, fuck them. Right. Like.
00:02:49
Speaker
Yeah, especially the naming a kid like right. There's no there's absolutely no. No place for that unless you know, unless they're being public with unless there is like a. You know, like they're they're the one who's looking for the attention that's or or you know, but yeah, to to make the story about a high school kid and then name them is. About par for the course, unfortunately, but that's what we're them, yeah, I agree.
00:03:18
Speaker
Yeah. You know, these are policies that were agreed upon. That's, that is it. Um, it's yeah, no, it's wrong. It's wrong on so many levels to, to be going after someone, you know, uh, an athlete of this, of this age is just absolute bullshit. Leave it be you ass
Gun Violence and Politics
00:03:41
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buckets.
00:03:43
Speaker
Yeah, you should be too busy trying to defend your right wing crazy assault assault arms, but that's a different story for a different day. Yeah, you know, yeah, that's exactly. Yes, it is. Yeah. Don't get me and don't get me started about that to the the whole this latest school. Yeah. Where where the right has wasted zero time and politicizing it. Whereas if you talked about it, you know, they're like the transgenders are attacking our Christian kids. It's like that's not
00:04:12
Speaker
I'm pretty sure drag shows have done 0.0% harm to our kids, whereas assault weapons have killed more than car accidents. It's been being shot is the number one cause of death for US children. Yep. Number one. Yep. The fuck. Yep. So that should tell you all you need to know about the whole thing right there.
00:04:39
Speaker
Yeah, people ask me why I don't like America. Case and point. Yes. There you go. I arrest my case, Your Honor. Your, your, your, your arguments there. Sorry to get away from it, but the whole point is that, you know, we can't discriminate against people. That's what creates the situations like that. Violence doesn't just happen. Hurt people hurt people and discrimination causes hurt people. So that's tied up by well and all that.
00:05:08
Speaker
Yeah, pretty well summed up there. Guns make it easy. Let's move on to
Content Updates and Rugby Discussions
00:05:18
Speaker
something slightly more. It depends on how you look at it. Our Patreon. Don't forget that we have one sheet up right now.
00:05:26
Speaker
Yeah, just the one because we don't have a Champions Cup sheet and there's no Prem for two weeks. Prem won't be for a couple of weeks. I'm taking a break there. I am halfway done with Boombust. I will have it up in the morning. So by the time you listen to this, you might, you might say. And I have already revised the sheet that's up on the Patreon too. Because I, yeah, I posted it without doing the.
00:05:48
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The sorting macro so that all the team stats were in order. Okay, cool. I was like, Hey, look at that. This team is eighth and everything. No, no, wait, they're all, wait a minute. Something's wrong. Oh, I see what I did not do. Then did a silly, but I fixed it. It's fixed. It's fixed. Fixed the glitch. Yeah. It's the glitch. Okay. Let's run. Let's go over to six nations real quick.
00:06:18
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do a wee bit of a roundabout here. Cardiff Farms, first, we will try not to take too much too long like we do on the other ones. But yeah, there's really only one surprise in the comps. But let's go. Right. Let's start with Cardiff Farms Park in Wales. You know, being properly, not properly resourced, but more the resources that are starting to go into Welsh rugby for the women are clearly paying off.
00:06:44
Speaker
Yes, they are. And I think that lopsided scoreline kind of shows it like, right? I think two years ago, wasn't Ireland beating Wales? Did I mess that up? I think that's right. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that, I mean, you know, not that either team was all that great shakes, but yeah, I don't, I think Wales was in pretty bad shape. Right.
00:07:02
Speaker
Even with some of their great players that they obviously are still have. Yes. Right. So yeah, just in our building, they're building, they're now they're professionals, you know, like that's making such a difference. And that was evident in the match. Absolutely. I, you, you really have a hard time arguing otherwise, you know, you know, uh, so, and then I think Bevin was definitely the, the winner on the day. She had a day.
00:07:30
Speaker
I started her in the fantasy game. Did you? I don't think I did. Started her in Snow Soul. Actually, I know Evans because she's at lock, but she's a back rower. And of course I went with Jones, prying her off my team. In 2021, Ireland blanked them 45-nothing. Fuck. Yep. Look at that.
00:07:53
Speaker
So, and and wells just had that you know what you know just to segue that into it, but wells did have the vote and the you know the vote for reform in the. In the WRF you so.
00:08:06
Speaker
More change is coming more women in positions of power and uh, I'm gonna help the game It's gonna help the entire it's gonna help the women's game, but it's it's gonna help whales well shrug me Overall, this is yeah, because that's a because that's so well in great shape right now exactly Any change better than what's going on now and uh, and yeah more women in positions of power is gonna help and this is gonna get better, you know the
00:08:34
Speaker
I do like seeing nations where the, especially when the men's program is just a piece of shit floundering where the women's program come in and be like, yeah, Jared and I were just actually kind of talking about this beforehand, but the women come in and be like, this is how it's done, boys. This is how you compete in international rugby. Yeah, exactly. I agree. And up to the home of Sarah Hunter as she is sent off in style.
00:09:02
Speaker
rather sparkling style, eight to seven, yeesh. Yeah, not much of a game. It was pretty clear. No. Early on how this was going. I don't think I watched past halftime. I was like, I get where this is going. Yeah. Well, you know, if you can keep it close within the first 20. Right. Really in the first 10, Scotland had a shot at it.
00:09:27
Speaker
but they just kind of balled it. And really, if they had been able to capitalize on a couple of those opportunities and you keep it close within the first 20 to 25 minutes, all right, the pressure is there. And, you know, pressure does funny things. So you never know. So you just got to feel,
00:09:46
Speaker
Scotland just need to find that little bit of clinical edge to get done. And I understand the difference is huge in terms of the professionalism and how these teams are run. And I get it, but at the same time, I do think, how to show out story. So to make it interesting for a little while at the very least, and fortunately, it just didn't happen. I think that they ultimately should be more trying to feed Chloe Rowley than they did.
00:10:13
Speaker
I felt like she went, she's like, she got the ball when a lot of like kicks and stuff. I don't remember her getting the ball passed to her all that much.
00:10:23
Speaker
That's kind of a problem like that, you know, that's a that's a terror that you want running. And I don't know if that they're again, that's the difference between professionalism and non professionalism. I don't know how well she's adapted to coming off of her wing or Scotland to use her in that role. Like, you know, they just as a program don't quite know how to do that. As a player individually, she had the most meters.
00:10:46
Speaker
Right. Because she did fucking amazing things that, you know, when when like the ball ended in their lap, like that was good. But they, you know, if they imagine how much more she would have had had had Scotland. Right. Really tried to feed her. Right. And what and one thing I notice, especially with England, where we're seeing some rotation again, obviously, Milton's not going to be there after this after this comp is done, but you're starting to see them change some people out and bring some people back and
00:11:15
Speaker
Jingshings round, you know, Kabeya got a little more run. We saw, you know, Mackenzie Carson got in this time around. Claudia McDonald got herself a start, you know, that's... That is... Elvira has not seen England team yet, has she or she? No, I think so. I think she was... No, they capped... They had four new caps. Four new caps. Okay. In this one. Good. So, like, I've heard... Was she one of them?
00:11:40
Speaker
I think so, yes. Yes, this was her debut. I'm sorry. Just double checking here. Yeah. Yeah, that was her debut. So it's a positive move for the sake of looking towards 25. Obviously, you want to do well in the competition you're in. You're in it might as well win it, such and so on and so forth. But again, where we didn't need to see another run of Infante, we know who she is. Exactly.
00:12:08
Speaker
Yeah, so is it Clifford Carson, we're us and and Craig got there got their caps. Yes, that's it. So it's two props. I three props. And that's how you do it. That's and that's a position that can get can get beat up. And we saw how critical the nine was. Yeah, at the World Cup, especially in that final, you know, we have to say the Lucy Packard did poorly, but we
00:12:32
Speaker
to not have someone that can match Infante is still kind of a problem. And maybe that's being unfair to the others because she is pretty good. So still just the same.
00:12:47
Speaker
Yeah, I think you just you need to you need to look forward with that. So I applaud the the England staffer looking elsewhere and you know, whether it's by whether it's by necessity or because or by desire, they still made the changes. Yeah, I think I mean, if anything, it's it should be by design. This is how you like Eddie. This is how you do it. You're you're as far away from a World Cup as you're ever going to be.
00:13:13
Speaker
Yeah, take the time. Bloodied players. Right. See who was event like to get some new players in front of you. Right. Yeah. Don't start the same old, same old. Don't start your Jack Noble and Johnny May, who really should. You know, will not be starting at the next World Cup. Bring in the new players. Plus, I'm good with Sarah Byrne, though. I mean, thank.
00:13:32
Speaker
She's such a terror in the loose. She is like the basically like the way that they it felt like England were feeding her like That's what I would kind of would want Scotland to do with their better better players. Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's Yeah, there's a balance with it always, you know You feed someone too much and they get found out and or they take the beating and they get hurt Yeah, but there's also a point where it's like you're not doing it at all and that's right hurting your team So yeah, there's a balance
00:14:00
Speaker
I don't I think I think England got it right. And Scotland got it wrong. But that way all the scoreboard kind of reflects that. Yes, it does. And then Sunday. It over to over Italy. And they put up a fight against last year, you know, the the most recent third place winner for the World Cup. Mm hmm. Not bad. Not at all.
Women's Rugby Highlights
00:14:29
Speaker
you know, the Italians holding strong against France and the Six Nations at home. This is not something, I guess we gotta get used to hearing this. Yeah, something like that, right? Absolutely. Italy are like, but then it's the same story too with Italy. They're so close. They're like so ready to be there, but it's just not yet. Yeah, yeah.
00:14:59
Speaker
It is their story, unfortunately. That's both sides of it. But. But I have obviously something good. It's something they can build on easily or easily, but like certainly a better result than it has been in the past and it could be. Yeah. France, I don't know if we quite saw the same amount of rotation that they probably should have. But we did see them see a new ten come in.
00:15:29
Speaker
Mm hmm. I believe so. That's there. That's at least them looking towards that way. Yeah. And, you know, Bordeaux started with Shambol on the bench. You know, obviously there have to has to be movement there because, you know, they they lost their starter. So right. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, there's and yeah. Yeah, a little bit. Maybe not quite. Yeah, exactly. I mean.
00:15:59
Speaker
There's a, there's still a lot of, right. They, they, there's, it's clunky. Um, they're relying on, you know, now all of a sudden players have to step up who maybe could work, could be content to be, um, you know, support type players. But it's like, no, now you're, we need, we need you to be the, um, you know,
00:16:21
Speaker
The woman. I need you to be that beacon, that point of focus to help out the team. And I think Rainier can be that.
00:16:34
Speaker
But I think so. That should be someone. Yeah, she should be someone that's leading from the front for this team, along with Monashay. That's a great sign of pairing, by the way. It's not bad at all. No, that's a pair of tough cookies to crack right there. I'm not sure I want to run into that one. So it's, yeah, like you said, low clunky. They have some key players that have been moved on and moved around.
00:17:01
Speaker
and just not as polished as maybe England were. Also, they played probably a better team in Italy. They definitely played a better team. And they were on the road. So you can probably chalk up both of those things to that. But still, don't take it away from Italy. Oh, not at all. Italy, I think, did more to limit France than France did. Like, there was more. France tried to do stuff, but Italy really shut them down. The defense was excellent. The ability to reorganize
00:17:32
Speaker
mid phase. It was excellent based on the passing and basically, you know, like they did a really good job there. And that's, that's what's, they really defended France. So yeah, like real to keep it to 10 points. That's impressive. Yep. Yep. Well done. All right. So this is, let's jump to prime cause this was a,
00:17:57
Speaker
a big weekend in terms of looking forward towards May.
Premiership Rugby Analysis
00:18:02
Speaker
Yeah. What's going to happen then? So we'll start Friday night, Newcastle and Gloucester. And we saw a lot of potential semi-final spots die this piss weekend, I'd say. Yeah. Some teams are really hard pressed to get get themselves over the line. Some teams are just fucked. Yeah.
00:18:24
Speaker
Exeter kind of fucked themselves a little bit, or still fucked themselves a little bit. Gloucester. Gloucester fucked themselves a lot a bit. Yeah. And really Quince too. And yeah, Quince couldn't spit the bit. Absolutely. Yeah. So let's start. Let's, like I said, let's go to Newcastle. Gloucester. You know, I, I'm very, I'm so happy for Elliot Obatayembo, the way he's playing for the Falcons right now. Me too. You know, I,
00:18:54
Speaker
The writing was on the wall. It was a log jam in the back three for Saracens. So no hard feelings about him leaving. I'm not, I certainly wasn't mad about it. I was like, well, that's sad to see him go, but I get it. And this is why, because he needs more playing time. He does. You know, when players like him and Crossdale, beside it's time, I need to go elsewhere.
00:19:15
Speaker
No hard feelings. I get it. I get it. Yeah. Like what are you going to do? Just try to sit around and wait for everyone to leave? No. And he needs the playing time too. We're seeing him finally living up to his potential because he's had the ability and freedom to play and make mistakes.
00:19:36
Speaker
and learn from it, and now it's really showing up. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's playing better than he played for Saris. I'm going to put that right out there. I'd say so, yes. And I don't... That's just, again, playing time. You just didn't get enough playing time to fit in as well and learn the position. And that's not his fault, and it's not Saris' fault.
00:20:01
Speaker
No, it's kind of just the mutual thing that happens sometimes, and we agree to shake hands part ways and let them go where he needs to be so we can get a little bit better. How shit are Gloucester right now, though? Oh, it's ugly. It's ugly. As wild as it might be an idea of, I think they need to put Billy 12 trees at 10 until they can get somebody else
00:20:26
Speaker
I don't think that's a problem. I think that's actually the best. I think that's the best idea I've heard all day. Right. It's scary because that's probably their best answer because they need to put Santi at full back. And as much of a good ball player as he is, he needs to be back there to do the better part of his damage than be at 10. You know, if you need him to steer the ship and be the second, like we talked about, 15s as 10s don't always work well. Let him be 15s and be that second distributor, not the first.
00:20:56
Speaker
Yeah, and I think it's also that they don't have the per like He works well at 10 with Argentina Because of the personnel they have and how they how they operate around the pitch. Mm-hmm. Gloucester doesn't have that No, I'm sorry. What different playing styles too. Yeah, right, right, right Yeah, so it's not that like he can is that this like it's it is kind of a Flaw on the prem right now. They just don't have the free-flowing
00:21:24
Speaker
runners. And so yeah, I think that's just for for the prem. That's what that's where he'll shine better and help cluster out a lot more. You know, and we talked about we talked we were talking about the wings, you know, and a particular pair of wings that Eddie Jones decided to hang on to with
00:21:53
Speaker
with all the talent around England and two of them were on display well, fully on with this and count three, if you want to count Obie, Radwin and Thorley, both of which are capped. Why on earth would you stick with Nolan?
00:22:08
Speaker
I don't get it. And that is honestly not even the best of the talent that's available, those two. And they're great. And so I'm not taking that away from them. With all that, and you have so much more that's up from there, what the fuck are you doing with Nolan May on the wing? I never got it. And obviously, it worked for a while, and yes, they were better for a while.
00:22:32
Speaker
People get worse as they get older sometimes. It's just a fact. You just have to live with it. And especially speed positions like that. And especially, you know, like, what, I don't know what kind of role they play. Like, are they physical? They're not, they're kind of, I mean, they used to be a little bit physical, but I mean, Johnny May's a speed bump anymore. So, only until it's Jack Knoll.
00:22:50
Speaker
But it's like, yeah, they're willing to get their nose dirty. Well, yeah, but they're getting their nose dirty because they're getting their face into contact and their opponents are just rubbing their face in the dirt, getting the nose dirty. Right. Right. They're not. It's not good. It's not the good kind of physical. It's the bad kind. You're right. You're keeping somebody like slapping in the breeze while they run down the field. Yeah, Rad went fuck that that. His intervention in that try
00:23:22
Speaker
Yeah. The line he ran, he probably ran five extra meters to the ball and still won by a lot. Yeah. He's, he's got, he's got some wheels back there. Yeah. Can't say he can't play defense. Fuck. Right. That was extremely intelligent and athletic. I loved it. Yeah. He's, he's bloody good. And
00:23:51
Speaker
Retard, yes. I think it's hard to say otherwise. I didn't like it because of the change in direction. So I guess my big problem was they decided he didn't attempt to rap. But when you see the replay from the backside of the runner,
00:24:09
Speaker
Like right after the hit, you see a hand pop up on on his like midsection on the other side. It's like there's only one hand, one person whose hand that could be. It's the left hand of Richard Pelferman. You can't. How can you say there's no rap when he literally rapped? So I didn't like how it was played out. I mean, yeah, we got to get rid of high shots. So I'm I'm.
00:24:32
Speaker
I'm okay with it. I just thought that there were enough mitigations that that should not have been a red button down to a yellow. Yeah. Yeah. Because there was movement. He was kind of going for the ball at first, like, and then the direction changed. But at the same time, yeah, like, don't put yourself in that position. Wait till the tackle is formed and then go for the ball. Like, he could have done a lot of things differently. And so I'm okay with sanctions.
00:24:55
Speaker
I thought that was a harsh red, but we're trying to get that hit out. So it's like, I'm not going to, you know, this is me going through my emotions about it as far as like, I don't like it, but I understand it, and I'm going to have to get used to it. Yeah. Yeah. So, to say that Gloucester didn't produce attack is wrong, but at the same time, there's too many moments in a critical time where they're just off. Yeah. And that's the difference between them being where they are and being in the top four.
00:25:23
Speaker
That's how it is. I think most people would agree with that.
00:25:29
Speaker
And it was not dissimilar to Bristol's performance on Saturday. And also Gloucester need to get rid of Lloyd Evans at fullback. That's got to go. Well, that's part of the reason I was thinking get puts. Yeah, exactly. Put Sandy back. That's the other reason. Or just put someone else at fullback, honestly. Right. It's not good. And he's he's clearly dragging down the rest of the back three. Yeah, he's gives me suppose. Yeah. All right. Lester and Bristol on Saturday.
00:25:58
Speaker
It's a old fashioned butt whooping. Yeah, they weren't at it. Bristol weren't. No. I think that's fair to say. And tigers just smelled blood once. And that was just bad news bears for them all day. I mean, Ben Young's pants them. What more do you need to know? Yeah, right. I mean, and then Andre Pollard pants them.
00:26:22
Speaker
Oh man, but it was, it was, I mean, it's good vision from Hallard just be realizing what's in front of him. Like I got a couple of forwards in front of me. There's nobody behind them. This is, this should work out fine. And it worked. Yeah. Just the lack of coverage there was, um, sinful. Yeah. Really, uh, really a poor excuse for a defense in a lot of ways. Yeah. And then three pre, uh, hooker tries not bad. Yep. Yep. Yep.
00:26:52
Speaker
It's not an excuse, but the whole like, you know, Joyce dropping late and then Lou, Lou, Sam Lewis leaving early was probably not helpful. Not really. But they, they wouldn't make the excuse that we won't. No, it's not an excuse. Does it suck? Yes. But yeah. Yeah. That was kind of, yeah, it's just, it's just where it was at. And you can say, so here's the thing.
00:27:20
Speaker
when it comes to Carl. Yes, he's a dickhead. No question about it. He's always an ass when it comes to being as a referee. He takes no shit. He's sticky with some silly things. And he tends to be a dick to one team unless you clean it up for about five, 10 minutes, and then it starts to balance out. And Bristol never did that. And that was the problem. No, they didn't. You know?
00:27:41
Speaker
So yes, he was being a dick, but you have to just know, all right, this is the type of guy you just got to have a clean slate for a little bit and things will bounce back out and he'll, the vision goes away of you being the assholes, you know? And they just didn't do it.
00:27:56
Speaker
Did not do it. They didn't. They didn't just take a deep breath. Nobody be a dick for five minutes and we'll be okay. Yep. Yep. And that's on the leadership and just understanding who you have as a referee too. Right. Yeah. Same, same. Same, same. He's even, he's even more of a dick about dumber shit. You know, that's just how he is. Let's go to North London.
00:28:25
Speaker
Hotspur Stadium. I promised my my first friend we'd leave it in one piece before I return it to them. It's in one piece. And I don't know if we want to return it to them. No, I think that was. Yeah, that was the place was rocking. A lot of people there for both both teams. Yeah. Good shit. That's what. And apparently this is the most watched rugby match on. Was it ITV or something? Or maybe just the most watched?
00:28:52
Speaker
match in England, or at least for the Prem. The Prem, I think, yeah. That's not bad. Yeah, not the final, I think, was the qualifier on that one. I was like, yeah, it's pretty good. Kind of a thing. You know, we've talked about it so much, and I hope, finally, it's kind of a kind of scene here. How much better is this team home with David Vencell in there?
00:29:20
Speaker
Oh, so well. Yeah. Yeah, he's such a cat. Like, he's an actual nine, and it works. And let's keep seeing that, please. Thank you. Yeah. Send me more, please. Waiter. More of that, please. And also, I would like a second helping of Andy Christie.
00:29:41
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Guy was good. He got pink for a yellow, but that's fine. Yeah. I can live with that. I can too. But he was excellent with the... Did he have a try assist too? I think so. Did he assist on the Lozowski try? That sounds right. Yeah. Mauro getting over was nice to see. It's been a while for him.
00:30:04
Speaker
Yeah. Oh no. He had assisted on the mainland try. That's what it was. That was it. Yes, you're right. You're right. That was a huge fight.
00:30:12
Speaker
Yeah. And maybe really, if you're looking at it as the, as the match flow and so on, like, yes, you had Dom get over and then, um, but then you had Lozowski, Tom, Tom against, and then the game kind of went to a low. It did. And then Christie got over and that was kind of a huge jolt going into halftime and then flipping it around. Yes. Marley got over for his first and yes. He.
00:30:36
Speaker
If he was Max, I totally agree with that. Murley, Murley is, I think that was a statement of intent, I think is what they call that. Yeah, something to that degree, right? He wants it. And so, you know, we're talking about the wings from last, last match. Murley. Another one. Oh, another guy. I put him higher than the other two. Oh, absolutely. I put him higher than the other two. Not only that, I probably ranked him higher than some of the players who stuck around. Like, you know, um,
00:31:05
Speaker
you know, I'm not the biggest Anthony Watson fan. I don't mind him. I'm just not like, I don't see what the entire fuss is about, especially with his injury history and all that. But like Murley, I'm like, everything I see of him is just screams, put me on the team. Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah. So we have the, we have the Murley first, Murley try. And then
00:31:31
Speaker
what they what what what was going to happen is whoever scores an X this was either going to be a fight or that was going to just kind of put it out of reach and it was the mainland try and yeah it all those tries came from fucking beautiful rugby and that is what the people that is what series fans want to see right now they went dormant and this
00:31:52
Speaker
Bullshit that friggin McCall wanted to do for the middle three months here. I hope now that the the the ball's dry now as they say Yeah, let's have this and more often, please. Yes. Yes, please, please and the game got a little I'm not the game the series got a little disjointed without Farrell in there We know good not attended. That's just how it is So I accepted the fact that things kind of went kaputski once Farrell came on the pitch that was the game was over at that point like once once saris had the
00:32:20
Speaker
especially once Toji got over. That was the end. It's like, whatever, we're fine here. I mean, the Maitland try was it. That was like kind of the backbreaker. It's because you also have the factor in the Sarri's defense, which is, you know, it's excellent. There's no other way to put it even with, you know, they gave up 24 points on the day, but that's okay because you're playing the fucking Harlequins. I was a little bit harsh on them earlier. They played, they didn't play bad.
00:32:48
Speaker
It's just that Saracens were like, no, we're better today. Like, we are just better than you in every way possible, and we're gonna put up more points, and they did. There's very little you can do, and I get it. When saris are motivated, and especially when they sense blood in the water, it's really hard.
00:33:10
Speaker
And to protect from that. They need to stop that before it started. And they had two yellow cards on the day for them as well that were.
00:33:21
Speaker
More more more impactful i'd say than than the christian yellow because they were Yeah, danny cares the north man. Yeah, north mars was just like oh, man What did you just do because they were they were they were at it. They were at it at that point I know I know may have gotten over the line, but merley had just responded as well. So yeah, there was still at it and that happened and then tomorrow she got over and Yeah, things got bad. Um So this is the this is the topic of discussion at this point, you know
00:33:51
Speaker
If you're Martian, do you drop that? Do you drop that and bite the bite the fact that it's going to just turn into a penalty try? Because it probably would have. You know, good was nowhere near. No, being legal. Yeah, no.
00:34:08
Speaker
It's not a max seven because Marcus missed the kick. Here's the thing. It happens fast because it's seven on the right there. You don't need to take the kick. You don't need to take the time for the kick with only eight minutes left. Yeah, but there's eight minutes left. The difference between that is not too much. And at the same time, like you want to show the ability because right now he's not in the squad for the World Cup, I don't think. I mean, at least he's not one of the starters, which I also don't understand.
00:34:37
Speaker
Like, do you see Slade make that fucking play? No, you do not. So why is why is he up? No, he's not. I see out there and Marchant isn't even when Marchant started the first match and didn't play poorly.
00:34:51
Speaker
So, yeah, I think March needs to for his career. He's got to make that play. And then either way, that that's 20. So that the two extra points, it's now still a 12 point match. You still need a try. Yes. To get a bonus point. So either way, it doesn't the two points literally doesn't matter at that point. Yeah. OK. Because even a converter, even a try to get to twenty nine points without the conversion, get to the bonus point. So, no, I don't think it matters.
00:35:19
Speaker
Not that I have any strong feelings. None whatsoever. But make the play. Show you can make the play. If you're like, you know, the JV squad kind of thing, like show that you can make the varsity play. Yep. Let's go to the G-Tech. Over to Brentford. You know, I'm at a loss for words for the sake of the saints.
00:35:50
Speaker
that it's there, it's right there, but this defense is killing them. Their attack wasn't particularly good on the day, but the defense itself is just absolutely fucking murdering them right now. Yeah, there's a lot of letters in Northampton Sains without a D. Yeah.
00:36:08
Speaker
And there's just no defense whatsoever. I mean, so scored on you. Yeah, that's all you need to know. Right. That's all you need to know. And fucking that Tom Pearson dry. Are you are you fucking kidding me? Are you kidding me? That's good. That is a headache right there. How do you leave him on the squad now? He's on the squad to me and to me, like, you know, I have. I've said my piece on Curry in the past.
00:36:37
Speaker
Pearson, just like Ben Earl, can do everything Curry can do. And then he can do more. Yeah, he can attack. So it's like, do you see Curry ever making that run? Neither of them probably, no. No. So what, why? Why? Like, why would we put this man in a white shirt? Like, he deserves, yeah. Right. Right. It was, and, you know,
00:37:09
Speaker
They went after it. They were ready for it. They were in this match from the word go. They really were. They understood it was on the line and they did not miss. Right. They got to give him credit. Truck was really one of the only Saints who felt the same way. They need to re-sign him. And the losing guys are ready for post-world cup. They need to make sure they hand him.
00:37:36
Speaker
one of the, he's one of the best things that they got going for themselves. If they lose him, they will be fucked. Right. And it's not to say they don't have others like Freeman's excellent. Obviously he did get a yellow, but in their forwards, like really, it'll be at this point, it's going to be Ludlum and
00:37:53
Speaker
holes. And if they, I think Madam AC still sticking around, that's it really, you know, like props, but that's, you know, whatever. Right. But they don't have great props either. They have good like fill in, like, you know, they have good from the scrum props. Right. And that, and yeah, credit to Alex Waller for making this big number. Um,
00:38:12
Speaker
I still lost completely just the same, so you got to give them a little bit of credit for sticking around for that long. Yeah, no, excellent. They're fine. There's nothing wrong with them. They have enough players to do otherwise that they don't need that. No. And this is not one of those. This is one of those things where if you have the right players otherwise, you can get away with it. Like, I mean, in as much as, you know, everybody would love to have an LS Ganesh. Like, they don't need an LS Ganesh type prop.
00:38:42
Speaker
Let's back that off. They don't need an Oliver Hoskins type prop. Let's go down to the level or two. And even that, they don't need that because they got the runners elsewhere. So it's fine. They do their job and they do it well. They defend well. So that's their job. Also, can I have some of whatever Ben Loader had for breakfast that day?
00:39:08
Speaker
Talk about a headache slot. They have a headache selection in this squad right now because they had him they have Sinti who They're right now the three that they've been playing are definitely on fire like that's a combination the three of those guys Hassel Collins loader and Sinti. So where the fuck do you stick Arendelle like? holy shit, godspeed to freakin less kiss and Declan kidney like making those decisions because that ain't gonna be easy and
00:39:34
Speaker
Yeah, but that's a four back four that you're just kind of set right at this point. Yeah, but you know that they're the guys you should kind of rotate him through who we know when guys get tired, but
00:39:43
Speaker
Well, right now, I wouldn't touch it. And I love Arendelle. Don't get me wrong. But he did pull a Deshaun Jackson. What's up? He did pull a Deshaun Jackson. I guess I missed that part. I was half watching those. Yeah. No, he dove and knocked. He was sliding and bounced out before the goal line. Right before the goal line. Dumb kid.
00:40:11
Speaker
But the thing is, he celebrated. I think he thought he scored. He was all happy about it. He was like, dude, you clearly knocked that on well before. You fucked that up, dude. Nope, nope, nope. You need to reset there, bud. Let's go to the rec. Bath and Exeter. Where's Exeter? Don't really want to hear it. Let's get into Bath, because I thought they played brilliantly.
00:40:39
Speaker
And they're still missing guys, but really like if they can manage any sort of combination, like what they've had on the field for this particular match, this will make them more dangerous going forward. And obviously they would like to finish the year on high and get a nice little run put together. Cause I see this team with the exception of Mac Gallagher, who I'm not overly impressed with at this point. I see this team and I love it. I really do. Um,
00:41:06
Speaker
Bailey's still learning. So, you know, give him, cut him some slack. Hopefully he, if he doesn't learn by next year, then you can start figuring out other answers. Um, I thought he played all right. I don't think it was terrible. No, it wasn't terrible, but he just, he needs, he needs the next level before this back team can really. Yeah. He's not the guy. And I know Finn Russell's coming in next year, so that's obviously going to get hard on him. Sorry, kids.
00:41:28
Speaker
Yeah, that's more of a, yeah. Unfortunately, there's a bit of a knock on him, but obviously, you know, Finn wants to spread his wings a little bit and try something else. So, good on him. Anyway, I...
00:41:40
Speaker
This isn't quite the best back row that they could put together. I don't love Chris Coluta. No, not so much. I mean, they have such a good, they have so many good options as long as they're healthy. They do. As long as they're, you know, they need Underhill back, he'll be a bet. I do like Bayless, although I think he's made a few too many errors in this one. Yeah, this was not his best. He didn't put his best foot forward here.
00:42:01
Speaker
But then you look at this midfield of Lawrence and Redpath and then you have JJ when he's right, when he's right. You can play Pierce Francis there if you need to. Right. You have a jump. A Jomo is no fucking Jomo. Yes. Yes. Yes, of course. Yeah. There's no there's no way there's no missing out on that.
00:42:18
Speaker
If you can't get on my red path, fucking hell, man. It's good. He's got to prove a point, obviously. He's got some guys in front of him at Scotland now, suddenly. Right. It's, you know.
00:42:34
Speaker
It's like, oh shit, I've got to actually improve myself now again. Again, you know, it's not to say that he wasn't worthy, but man, these other players have just jumped in front of them. Yeah. And that's to make that kind of a run through. You know, a defensive, defensive minded exit says a lot. He's not just cutting up any defense there. No, no, this is definitely a defense first type of team. Although they're not that good.
00:42:58
Speaker
No, and then the different row like was outstanding between especially a Bono Bono good player the Masters deservedly. Yeah, done Stewart. Yeah, I thought the yellow was right. That was like, yeah, okay. That's that's yellow for for a bono. Yeah for a bono. Yeah, that was the property a proper yellow those those probably where it was that I
00:43:19
Speaker
Didn't like that last yellow. No, that was stupid. That was, but that's a different story for a different day. Like what the fuck? There's two minutes left in the game. He's not being cynical. He just fucked something up. Like just, unless it's a penalty try, but it wasn't a penalty try. We acknowledge that Dixon was just basically trying to will edge the over the line, still pin for you. Yeah. I like, oh, Bono Don Stewart, like there are a few front rows
00:43:48
Speaker
in England clubs that are better than that three. Very only Bristol's top side. Right. And that's probably. And maybe Saracens, depending on who you're asking, depending on which, you know. Right. Depending on what Mako's had for breakfast. Yeah, that's true. Is he happy? Is he bad? OK, cool. He's like a baby sometime this way. Yeah. Yeah, he is. He's like a 70 year old looking baby. Yeah, he is.
00:44:18
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's not those three are on the game. Mm hmm. I it's going to be hard to not like like position for position. It's going to knock the three of those out. It is. It is. So you got to be hard. It's I'm sure I'm sure Ben Graham wishes he had all three of them all year. Yeah. Right. It's so good to see Obano healthy again. Finally. Yes. Yes. I love that guy. Yeah. Oh, he's a great he's a wonderful player. And I'm and I'm always cheering for him. So.
00:44:47
Speaker
Give them lots of it. It's fucking calves. They're impossible. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm I would not want to scrum against that. No, no, no. He's brilliant on the day, especially. You know what? I'm also just going to skip over eggs or I'm sick of their bullshit. Yeah, me too. Done. Well, I mean, we know it's all Saracen's fault anyway, so. Yeah.
00:45:12
Speaker
I'm sure they'll, they'll find a way to blame it. Right. You know, they're actually really good at it. They're sorry. No, you're just bad. I'll, I'll, I'll take over for you here. Exeter. You're just not good. No, like nothing about you screams. Good. Every team is like, I feel like there's, there's not nearly enough. Tacticianary going on in the, in the prem. That's not that that is one problem, but like,
00:45:38
Speaker
I figured it out like two or three years ago at this point, that if you just make a few tackles on eggs, like it shocks me that people are like, oh, they have the most, and I mean, that's true statistically, like they have the most phases run, but a lot of that is, you know, just picking goes on the goal line or somewhere.
Super Rugby Tactics and Performances
00:45:54
Speaker
If you just like shut them down in the midfield without getting a penalty, they'll just kick it right back to you and they don't have a great defense and you can run on them. Like teams are figuring this out. Like, I mean, you don't,
00:46:06
Speaker
I don't think that a red path would have gotten the green light to just make that play if they didn't think that, you know, the Exeter could be had. I don't think, you know, two or three years ago, even people would be like, yeah, go, you know, it's OK. Go for a run. Like, no, we want to go, you know, instead of like to go through the phase and control the possession like that. That would have been the coaching.
00:46:30
Speaker
Um, against them. Yeah. Instructions. So now it's like, no, no, no. Test them. See if they can tackle you. Cause you know, who can't tackle that, that Harvey Skinner out there cannot. Oh no. Boy, it needs to be pulled. Yeah. I'm, I'm unimpressed with him. If these he's going to be there 10 for the next few years, like, yeah, they'll be in a little trouble. Yep. He needs a lot of improvement if he does great, but he, he needs to improve all that.
00:46:55
Speaker
Hey, look at that. Henry Slade, four carries, four meters. Great fucking work. That's English quality, right? That's top level. What the fuck? Oh, but he's a defense specialist who made four tackles and missed one. What are you doing? Yeah. Like what does he do? What does he add? I don't get it. Um, he doesn't add much to exit or he was a fucking ghost all game. Like how is he national team material? It's all he's not been informed to say the least. Yeah. And his,
00:47:26
Speaker
He's never been a runner. He's not being picked on for him. I think that should be pretty much a given. I just don't understand why he's being picked though. No, I don't either. I don't have that answer. I still don't see what he contributes that you can't get from probably five or six other outside centers and three of them should not even be in consideration. Right.
00:47:50
Speaker
So what's going on? And I'm probably under, under cutting that because, you know, like fucking walls there could be one way you just go through like, yeah, go around again. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Beats me. Let's jump to super rugby.
00:48:08
Speaker
Oh, wait, we can't. But we do. Hold on. No, nothing. Never mind. Sorry. I thought we were going to talk about the table. We kind of did that at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about it. We can talk about it another time. Yeah.
00:48:25
Speaker
Grammys didn't bring a good team for this. So it's hard to measure whether or not they were actually going to have a shot at this. And I understand they're on a tour and sometimes you got to leave guys behind and that's just how it is. But yeah, I feel like you could have brought a slightly wider squad, brought some of your top guys for this one. And I think they play next. Double check that.
00:48:52
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, they were at Moana beforehand. Okay. Oh, no, they hosted one. So I don't get it. Yeah. Yeah. With that, I don't get it. Okay. Now I really don't get it. Okay. I can understand if you're on tour and you're like, yeah, let's bring some less experienced guys to play against. If they're going to play Moana at Moana, I get it. But nope. Now I don't get it. So, um,
00:49:15
Speaker
Yeah, and Crusaders were... And Crusaders are down, people. They're missing two. They're still the three All Blacks in the backs. Right. Although McLeod's been playing out of his skin, so... Yeah, although he was kind of muted this time. He had some good plays, but not what he did last week, certainly. No, no, but still quite good. Yeah, just...
00:49:41
Speaker
I'd be frustrated if I was a Burmese fan with selections and with. Well, that's also I mean, it's Crusaders and Crusaders. They did their thing. They're like, you know, they they machine their way up the field. Mm hmm. Put it over. All right. Let's go back. Start it again. Like reset the, you know. Yeah. Reset the mechanism. Let's go. Yeah. And, you know, they start. Burmese were like, yeah, let's kick. And then they just never got another shot. Really. Right. Oh, man. But that was such again.
00:50:11
Speaker
for tactics coming in you have the opportunity to get up on like you have to get up on crusaders and knows picking for post does not count no because what did they do they went right back and scored a try yes yep so how did that work out like why then what was the fucking point of that
00:50:33
Speaker
other than to get me fantasy points. And I'm cool with that. But go for the corner. Show some fucking nut. And, you know, there's so much around that that just gives a team like Crusaders like, oh, that's what they're going to do. All right. We got this one. Like, it just gives them that much more confidence in what they're doing. Even if you're getting points, you're getting points, but you're there thinking it's a win.
00:50:59
Speaker
Like it's not, you have to think more than just, you know, in yourself, you have to think of the greater, greater forces of play and big picture, big picture is go put the ball in the corner and play with it down there. Yeah. Zero points, but an attempt to try is more that that's, that's more stress on them. That's more pressure on them. Even if they, even if they win, you're probably still in their half with the line out.
00:51:26
Speaker
More likely, yeah. Let's go then. Enforce another penalty and do it again. Rather than, you get three, they kick off, playing you're in, fanganook is over. Yeah, not often. I mean, at this point, I can kind of write it down and be surprised when it doesn't happen. And not just Crusaders. Any good team should be able to do that. And then, when was the next time
00:51:53
Speaker
Brumby scored. One second. A try. For a while. Lonergan scored in the 48th minute. Yup. So after half. After half. Meanwhile, Andor has put one over. Branga and Nuka's got one. Cody Teller had one at half. Yup, that was it. Yeah.
00:52:14
Speaker
No, trying to go ahead and scored a second before Lonergan's first. I'm just looking between those two. Yeah, that was it. But they still scored a couple tries on you, and now you're chasing the game, and they're just sitting back like, okay, and then when you fuck up, we'll score again. Yeah, at that point, the pressure's on you to chase. Right. So you're trying to build the scoreboard, but all you did was put pressure on yourself. Like, do better. Yeah, I agree.
00:52:44
Speaker
Let's go to Allianz Stadium. You know, you talked about the Chiefs defense.
00:52:56
Speaker
it showed hard here for me. And it also a little bit, I'd be a little worried about the war toss attack as well. But at the same time, nothing really was produced from this war toss attack until the Hooper try. Because yes, Gordon got one, but that was an intercept try. We don't count that in terms of reducing attack. And that's a great individual play by Jake Gordon. No question about that.
00:53:21
Speaker
probably just kind of a hair brain decision on the chief's part, but that's how it works. Right. You got to know at that point to hold onto it. You got to have that clock in your head. Don't throw this past. Nope, nope, nope. And he didn't. So Gordon took opportunity. But it was a really good defense. People are calling the word uninspiring, but
00:53:44
Speaker
to the chief's credit, you could probably thought chalk that up to their defense. I don't know ways. Because again, this is a defense that used to bit carved the fuck up up the middle. Just totally carved right up. Yeah. And put it down to that lovely center pairing they have. And, you know, a back row that can that can do the get through the work on top of, you know, a guy like metallic. Right. On top of it all. So I
00:54:12
Speaker
There's been some hard work done on the training pitch clearly by the Chiefs. And you got to give them loads of credit. And there's some guys that are stepping up and really making life hard on other teams. Akhoi coming off the bench has been particularly good. Finau, who's also now put his name in the conversation for a shirt almost every time. It's really good. It really is. And they have
00:54:39
Speaker
The upside of what happened last year in Super Rugby with all the cancellations and stuff and the rearranging of schedules was that we had a lot of guys that were forced to play games, you know, because they were like, yeah, we basically have to put a full change team out there. Right. So you have, in the Chiefs case, you have Poi Hippie, who was forced to start a few games. Right. Because it was midweek. You have a Cortes Racima, who was thrown in as the starting nine, a bunch.
00:55:06
Speaker
And now they have those experiences under their belt and they're it's showing up right now. It's showing up this season. It is a great time and we'll talk about another team that had that same thing happen. But yeah, it's great for them. And Akoi who was on the bench for this but has been, he started last week too. He's been, he was a revelation in all that. Agreed. For the toss.
00:55:32
Speaker
I don't get the Ned Hanigan hype train. I really don't. I'm scratching my head every day there. I beat him up. I'm like, he's too, he's too lean for a lock and he's not good enough in the back row. He's, he's, he's caught in no man's land and he's not good enough for either position. No, he's not a terrible rugby player. He's not a good one.
00:55:55
Speaker
But he's not a terrible rugby player. Right. And he needs to. Where does he fit? Yeah. He's caught in this weird no man's land. Like, are you a locker or a second row? All right. If you're a lock, maybe eat a few more cage, take cows and, you know, right. Pump a few more extra reps in there. Right. And if you're a back rower, go cut a lot and run. Yeah. Run more. Yeah. Run more.
00:56:21
Speaker
I think you can get away with the lighter, the slimmer locks if you work it. So I would lean to in that direction, no pun intended. But again, if that's what, you know, it depends on what you want them to be. Well, it's just getting pushed around the paddock as a lock, you know, that's the problem.
00:56:41
Speaker
I mean, it wasn't a problem for me. Not for you. Of course it wouldn't be. I can tell you that personally. It happened to me when I was younger. I was a very big fella and I slimmed down a lot. I freaking lost 75 pounds.
00:57:01
Speaker
It was a lot that was coming off me, but with that is the ability to- Mobility. Yeah, I have the mobility, but I also don't have, at the time, I didn't have the ability to shove people off like I used to. So I was like, all right, this is kind of a problem. So I actually had to add 10 more pounds to my frame so I could be like, okay, now I can pump these fuckers off just a little bit. And you want it to be lean mass. You don't want it to be just anything, but yeah, you just, so in a way it's up to that, really.
00:57:31
Speaker
I don't, so who, one thing I did want to just kind of hit in, I don't know who it was that was having to go at the SNC team. I think it was Lowe. And we're going to go with it being low because Lowe the dickhead. That one of the SNC teams for the rugby and
00:57:50
Speaker
like injuries are not the SNC team's fault. Nine times out of 10, it's the fucking coach's fault. Because they're either, you know, see Eddie Jones, putting players through, you know, trainings that should not be put through. Like, yes, I get it. You got to put some intensity into some trainings. But like, when you overwork these guys and don't consider rest, recovery, all that shit,
00:58:14
Speaker
It's not on the S&Z team to do that. That's on the head coach. If the S&Z team is probably advising you, which I guarantee you, whichever team this was that we were talking about, is advising them, hey, Coach, these guys need to rest, this guy needs to rest, da, da, da. And you don't fucking listen.
00:58:30
Speaker
It's the fucking coach's fault. In the end, the whole Kiburu is on him. And I hate the fact that the SNC coach is the one that gets thrown under the bus almost every time. It is the fucking coach's fault. Why did he hit that? You know what? I think it was Bath that they were talking about. And so. Oh, yeah. And yeah.
00:58:47
Speaker
Like, dude, if the fucking sessions are hard and he wants to be this hardo team, well, this is what happens. You have casualties. This is the product. So don't put it on the SCT team because the fucking coach wants to be a helmet. That is his fault. He needs to listen to his guys and people that are probably smarter than him in that fucking area and let things happen the way they're recommending and things will get better. So I'm not, yeah.
00:59:13
Speaker
Fuck you. Well, you're you're more on anyway, but you know what else is new? Anyway, I digress. Let's go back to let's go to Highlanders and drew up because they didn't throw that. That's why I thought of it, because Highlanders are a laundry list of injuries. Oh, so many injuries. And even so late to it's like. So anyway, it was.
00:59:35
Speaker
impressive the way they were able to come out. And I don't remember who it says, who said it, um, might've been Joey that said it, um, comfortably drew his worst performance of the year. Without a doubt likely. I didn't get to watch this match because I ran out of it. It was, it was, um,
00:59:53
Speaker
It was a tough old goal. I just saw the score and I'm like, I'm good without seeing that. Yeah. Sam Gilbert got moved into the centers. Wow. Um, to who had to come out early. Yeah. What happened to he, we that's, yeah, it was a, it looked like either an ankle or like a hyperflection of that knee. You know how you get bent backwards real hard sometimes when you're on your knees.
01:00:12
Speaker
Yes. So something like that. Um, yeah, so it looked uncomfortable. Nothing, no malintent whatsoever on anybody, but just that's the worst. That's the worst part is everybody's just trying to tackle you. And you're just like, I don't bend this way. I don't keep going, dude. Not fucking Gumby here. No, no, man. Um, Cam Miller had, had a, had a nice extended run for Islanders. This is the kid they're trying to bring along to wear the 10 shirt. So, uh, good on him. Um,
01:00:41
Speaker
Yeah, I know the jury will be very disappointed with the way this game shook out, but they still try to stick to their guns. It just didn't come off. You know, got to give them credit for that. But Highlanders, Aaron Smith was
01:00:57
Speaker
Aaron Smith needs to drag this team along. He really does. Like this team will go as he goes. And I know this is a World Cup year, so he's probably going to pull it up just a notch because this is probably his last go at a World Cup. And if, if in fact that is the case, then if he continues to pull it up, pick it up a notch or a notch or a notch, then okay. Highlanders might actually have something to talk about. Unfortunately, the start of it was not good. So that would be the problem.
01:01:26
Speaker
Um, don't need to spend a long time on Moana and hurricanes. Hurricanes are just mean. He's a butt kicking. Yeah. Thorough. Boot up keister. Who was your favorite? So, all right. So then who was first performance on the hurricanes? Were you most happy to see Brett Cameron? Yeah. Right. Brett Cameron. Like, you know, we have, we were talking pre-season about, um,
01:01:53
Speaker
Aiden Morgan and, uh, Ruben Lublin, he's been banged up. So he hasn't, he hasn't made an appearance yet. And he just might not. But he may not. Yeah. But Brett Cameron was on, has been unbelievable since he's gotten that shirt. And it's really hard to see how they can't, it's really hard to see them not succeeding if he's wearing that 10 shirt and they still have Jordy. So I like, I like what's up with that. Billy Proctor has been amazing in the midfield. He's obviously underrated of the two out there.
01:02:23
Speaker
And Solicitor Asi is going to be an all black soon. Right. You watch. Right. And we saw, um, what's his butt from Italy. Fava make his debut for the hurricanes. Good to see that he's found a home after the unfortunate incidents at, um,
01:02:45
Speaker
at Worcester. Yeah. Really, really unfortunate. But he got over, so. He did. He did. He guys for sure. He guys for Superbird, we try. Nice. TK Houghton's playing second row. What? He's going to play second row. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. This team's going to be really tough to stop. With him, if it's going to be him, Walkaleo, Ray-Ray, Bird, and Blackwell as their second rowers,
01:03:12
Speaker
He's definitely my favorite, but still, those are solid options, and they don't need to be anything otherworldly, although he can be, because their back row has just been on fire. He's already is arty. Yeah, and Artie's arty. So, yeah. Roy Guard's play. Another guy that we were talking about, you know, got some playing time because of the way things shook out last year. Was it great? No. Not ideal.
01:03:34
Speaker
But it worked out in the benefit this way, where you had some teams forced to play these guys. Cam Ruygaard got time. Josh Morby got time. Flanders got more time and has gotten better. Braden Jose got some time. Obviously, he's still in a lot of jam of a back row.
01:03:52
Speaker
Hot damn. I am so excited. Amulah. That was another one. I was like, wait a minute. I know his name. Amulah. Jesus. He's been amazing this year. So it's, yeah, it's really good stuff. Um, and Julian Sevilla is still there. Right. Somehow, some way we've still skipped over that guy. Um, yeah. And again, comfortably Moana's worst performance without a doubt. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Rebels and Reds.
01:04:20
Speaker
This is probably what's hyperbole, but Ryan Smith is the worst second row in this comp. Like you fucking moron. Why did you do that?
01:04:31
Speaker
Tate's going to score that. Leave the guy the fuck alone. Yeah. Like back your teammate. You don't think the thousands of cameras that are fucking out there are going to ping you. You dumb fuck. Like, oh, if I was like, he's getting fine in kangaroo court. Number one, number two, I would still give it to him all fucking night long for everything. I'd be like, here's your penalty shot. Like keep.
01:04:53
Speaker
You're not stopping, dude, because you're an ass and cost us the game. Like, and most people say, well, they could commit. You're right. But still, like that was, that was potentially the game winning try. What the fuck? Mora. Yeah. Well, and yeah, it's the reds are not what is up. Okay. What's up with the reds? I don't know. And I'm sure thorn wishes he knew as well. Um,
01:05:18
Speaker
They need somebody not Josh Fluke to play in center because he's playing well. But I don't know who else is going to play with him. Yeah, that's the only problem. Maybe Isaac Henry needs another shot in there. I don't know. Right. Oh, yeah. Henry could could potentially feel like, you know, he wasn't terrible in this one. But, you know, without Pazami, you're fucked. Right.
01:05:41
Speaker
Yeah. So also excellent, excellent trade in cold, fucking blooded. Yeah. You know, um, other side of the coin, you got to give it to the rebels who they're, they're still freaking, they're going after it. You know, they, they did a lot of building last year and just trying to put a couple of years in the right places. And yeah, last couple of years, really. Um,
01:06:08
Speaker
But then you have, um, you got to see kid just freaking tearing it up. And I was like, Oh, and they were talking about him and like how he's just kind of really had to work his way into this team and hard to be mad at him. It's like, all right, this kid's pretty good. Why, why, how do I get mad at him? You know,
01:06:28
Speaker
Yeah, so it's a lot of hard work that's gone into this team. Yes, they've had some moves, mafis come into the team and it's making life miserable on his old teammates. Yeah.
01:06:44
Speaker
You know, and Monty Orwani has obviously had a huge impact on this team. He has been massive. I don't think there's any way around it. Carter Gordon stepping up big time. Huge. Yeah. Lawrence, who... I'm all our product. I'm all our product. Lawrence is playing very well. Yeah, he's playing acceptably. Yep. Yeah, I can... I would not have believed that if he told me that in the big season. But hey, look at that. And Hodge is still...
01:07:12
Speaker
Well, he's going to come back. So we'll be back. This is a team that's like, yeah, Kevin puts out out for this year. I have a feeling he wants to he wants to make an impact. He wants to get into that top. Those that play off and get I see it happening. I mean, because you like. I don't mean to say it's not really me. I don't mean to be as harsh as it sounds, but like. As long as you have a pulse in this.
01:07:41
Speaker
like you should make the playoffs. You know, eight of the 12 teams. Generally speaking, yeah. Because there seems to be just bad, unfortunately. Moana is not good. Highlanders are feasting right now because they're not playing against the Kiwis, but they'll come back. They'll probably be below the line. Fiji have a pulse, which is why I think they'll end up above Highlanders. But like, force are struggling.
01:08:08
Speaker
Gross and yeah pacifica just haven't you know, they're they're getting the shit kicked out of them. They're you know, well five losses Over a hundred points On underwater and points differential so they're losing by an average of 20 points like yeah, that's not good They don't have a pulse like the rebels are like they're fighting for it. They want it I think and I think that they'll have the talent and it's working. So I think they'll do enough Yeah, I agree. I agree and not only that but I think they'll be they're going to be a tough out
01:08:38
Speaker
Like they'll, they'll lose because they're on the road in a match that maybe they would have a much better shot at if they were at home. Like, I think they'll probably end up like in the, in the sixth or even fifth spot there. Yeah. I mean, you know, that, that could change if the reds decide to pull their heads out of their asses and yeah, it's just a lot that that's that could happen there. But yeah, I like what the rebels are building. Yeah. Like what I'm seeing.
01:09:09
Speaker
Let's go Eden Park. Don't need to spend too much time on this match because this is a little lackluster, I'd say. And I think most people would agree. Really, the Blues just kind of willed their way to this win. They did. In a lot of ways. I feel like that. OK, hold on. Hold on a sec. Ratuma Tuvuki. Ratuma Tuvuki Nipkin's try was like the summary of the match where it was like
01:09:39
Speaker
I'm taller than you. I'm better than you. I'm just going to come down with the ball and score the try and that's it. And that's kind of how this game that that's, yeah, that's, that's your game in a, in a nutshell right there. That that moment, just that the blues had the better team and, and took advantage of it. Mark to lay is unfair. He's going to, he's on the, he's on the team. Yep. He's got to be in on the team. Yeah. It was a little brother just holding the ball up, up about a big
01:10:07
Speaker
Our big brother holding the ball over a little brother and just putting the hand on him saying it's up here and get it. Yeah, you can't get it. Why aren't you getting it? I'm going to get it. No, you're not because my hand is right here. It's on top of your head and you're not even leaving the ground. Yeah, it was it was.
01:10:24
Speaker
lackluster in many ways. Yes, there were some great performances at that parapetto was pretty good. I thought to do was well, you should be in the whole blacks back row unquestionably. Fagner was it was excellent. Yes. That yes, the the handoff for the tribe was a pretty freakin sweet. Yeah, he played pretty well. And then yes, there were some and there was some good performances from
01:10:49
Speaker
the force, but they don't quite have the personality to get there. Actually, I'd say their entire back line was really good. Kiber Iggy was not too shabby at all and had that try. Bink was a problem. To me, it's impressive that this was just a 13-point win.
01:11:14
Speaker
You know, force on the road struggling. They have got some injuries themselves. They, I think they talked about it even afterwards that they didn't really start their best team, but that's what they got right now. Um, but it wasn't bad. Nope. Like this is this, this could be a thing. Okay. Fine. Good interview about it was, um,
01:11:34
Speaker
You want to put a little bit better foot forward because they're the ones who are going to be on tour. I think they're sticking around. They got the hope. They got your hurricanes next. That sounds right. And that should be it. That's going to be a much better measure of where the force are than the game against the Blues. I think we're going to see what the force are through the lens of this next game because then we'll see. OK.
01:11:59
Speaker
Did they just get crushed by or, you know, sorry, some moderately close, actually, on a great team on the road or did Blues kind of take it easy on them, too? But possibly. Yeah. Because it wasn't their best team either. Right. You know, there's zero you want. He's out there. There's a home. Right. Yeah, no one killed Clark. No, Caleb Clark. Yep.
01:12:25
Speaker
properties on the back. No Barrett is on the back. There's in the back there. Right. Nope. Nope. So it's it. Yeah. But the blues are a fucking good team. I mean, this is a good team anyway. Like it's, you know, you take out those amazing players and you're still left with a fucking excellent team. It's not fair.
01:12:45
Speaker
That's like, yeah, the blues have more than a pulse. They've got like a fucking raging hard on or something. I guess
Stateside Rugby and Team Standings
01:12:53
Speaker
that's kind of where I'd put that, that, that swing is like, no, they're, yeah, they're fucking excellent. We'll see what the rebels and force can, can make of themselves. Let's go. So let's, um, let's jump over to.
01:13:10
Speaker
the States and we'll go right down to Quincy. And really, there's not a lot to talk about with that match. It was bad. My favorite part of that match was the final whistle. Same. Same. I was annoyed in so many ways. And I was drunk annoyed, so that wasn't helpful. Even if you weren't drunk, it was quite annoying. It's almost like they didn't get a chance to play.
01:13:39
Speaker
in some ways, it felt like they had they were crushing it when they had possession early. And then they just
01:13:48
Speaker
it felt like they didn't really have possession. Either way, whatever, they came away with a win. To me, okay, they didn't get the bonus point. Yeah, that's probably the worst part of it. Darn. Most frustrating part of it, I would say. Yeah, like that. And we were talking beforehand and kind of mushing it a little bit, but like, this should have been a comfortable win because of the talent differential and all that. But yeah, freejacks just kind of just pooped around.
01:14:14
Speaker
And if Jackals had actually gone for corner when they, they kept going for points too. And it was like. Just once you come away with points off a corner, like what the hell? They were totally taking us down. That would have been it. That is a microcosm of why they don't have any wins in their franchise history. Maybe it gets better this week. I think they're playing Toronto in Toronto. Good luck.
01:14:44
Speaker
that shitty club was just like, oh, it was on the field. It was two of the worst front rowers in the game. Yeah. Right. So not something I would be jumping up and down about. Just saying, just saying.
01:14:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And I really I really enjoyed Kyle coming on. And within four minutes, he had he had two penalties in his first two minutes of playing and kind of talking to right away. Right. And by four minutes in, he he'd fucked up his positioning on a line out, which led to a fucking long ass mall and giving away a free kick in a scrum, too. So like all he does is negative shit like he doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. Get him the fuck out. He got the one penalty at the end. I would correct that to Cole anyway, but right.
01:15:30
Speaker
Yeah, but it's like you put us in that position dickhead, right? Yeah, you didn't have a choice
01:15:37
Speaker
Anyway, um, whip around, uh, Oh, glory lost to NOLA. NOLA have found some sort of form here. So we'll see where that rings. Yeah. Maybe we'll just spit in it. Who knows? Uh, Utah across Toronto, Toronto is very good. Unfortunately, uh, Houston whacked rugby, ATL. I don't think rugby, ATL is that good either. Uh, and hounds were down in Seattle or actually in Chicago by Seattle. Excuse me. Yeah. So yeah, Seattle, Seattle is not going to be fun. No.
01:16:07
Speaker
No, I'm not in favor of that. Rejects are in Utah next. Then they come home. Boulder in second now. They have passed OGDC. The Ironworkers, your New Jersey, New York, Rugby United Ironworkers are our fifth. Yeah, what the hell? Three points out of third, out of the playoffs at the moment. Only five points ahead of Toronto, boys.
01:16:33
Speaker
Toronto, come on, man. Yeah. New Orleans has also played more games than anybody in the conference. So yeah,
Closing Remarks
01:16:40
Speaker
but that may shift. That may shift a few things. Cool. All right. That's that.
01:16:50
Speaker
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01:17:09
Speaker
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