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Transcript
Introduction and Apologies
00:00:18
Holmesy
G'day and welcome to the Pod Pod brought to you by Marrera's Magic. I'm your host Holmesy, three-time top 10 finisher and twice runner-up in AFL Fantasy Classic. We have a full deck on the show tonight.
00:00:31
Holmesy
It's been a while since we've had us all on and unfortunately i do need to go to the apology straight away. actually can't find the apology music but we'll go without
Jack Steele's Unexpected Role
00:00:42
Holmesy
it. But Lou, welcome back for one but I need to apologize to you.
00:00:47
Holmesy
All preseason, you were a Jack Steel hater and I talked you into it. And round one, you were very happy.
00:00:57
JORDAN D'SENA
Thank
00:00:58
Holmesy
Then, oh, sorry, after round one, you upset, but then we got a few good good scores and you apologized to me and thanked me for the Jack Steel pick. But it has all gone horribly wrong, mate. So I i do sincerely apologize to you. That has gone tits up.
00:01:12
Lew
yeah He's turned into a tagger all of a sudden. So hopefully that's not going to be a sign of what's to come and he can back up like he did in round two at the beginning of the year. But yeah, a little bit concerning, isn't it?
00:01:27
Holmesy
It is. It is. And we'll get to that a
Rank Improvements and Player Frustrations
00:01:30
Holmesy
little bit later. But, Jordy, do have you again. a you know, I didn't have the round that you had the previous week, but still going relatively strong. But, mate, how are you how you going?
00:01:40
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, pretty good. I think, yeah, as you said, solid week, still moved up rank, but um yeah, it would have be nice to keep going. But hopefully some of those primos can go good again. I think Josh Dacos, he's one of those ones that frustrates me a little bit.
00:01:56
Holmesy
Yeah, bit up bit up and down. Got stuck on the bench a little bit, but still I think a player that you would want to own at some point. But yeah, obviously paying pretty big for him. You needed him to go massive.
00:02:07
Holmesy
And we do have our two-time top 10 finisher and runner-up in 2019, John Harmy with us. quiet Just quietly flying, going quite well. Team very comfortably put 100 points on me this week without even trying. But are you keeping a lid on it, mate? Or do you actually think you're you're in the hunt this year for for another hat?
00:02:25
Jon Harmey
The lead's well and truly on at this stage, Holmesy, but yeah, not not going too bad. Yeah, I guess we'll see, mate. It's only early days, isn't it?
00:02:37
Holmesy
Do you by any chance have an apology for the group?
00:02:43
Jon Harmey
Wouldn't have thought so, mate. Keep going.
00:02:45
Lew
yeah
00:02:45
JORDAN D'SENA
Mm-hmm.
00:02:46
Holmesy
Are you sure? you sure? um So I've got some receipts.
00:02:48
Jon Harmey
Come on.
00:02:50
Holmesy
So, and this was lighting up Twitter, by the way. I got a fair few messages about the apology I was going to have to throw out on the show, but unfortunately, the apology is going to have to come from you, Harmy. So, 5.41 on Thursday night, the Collingwood game had been going for 21 minutes.
00:03:08
Holmesy
Into the group chat, John Harmy comes. If it wasn't for you guys, I would have Jordan Dugowie in my team right now.
00:03:15
JORDAN D'SENA
You
00:03:20
Holmesy
No apology. Harmy, what'd you end up on? 78 points, barely anything in the second half. You don't want to apologize to us for for actually making sure you didn't put a hole in your team?
00:03:29
Jon Harmey
but Look, if anybody listening to the podcast last week brought in Jordan to go, I ah don't think they're going to be disappointed because he was priced at 66 and he went at 78. So that's ah that's a good return, I would have thought, Holmesy.
00:03:45
Holmesy
ah Yeah, 12 points upside, Harmy. You are you are correct. Yeah, that's value. We do preach value. Jordy, I have ah a question for you. ah Are you feeling all right after your antics on Friday night with the bond regret trade or what?
Trade Decisions: Whitfield vs. Bont
00:04:01
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, of so fright so I was still 50-50 on Bont or Whitfield. And I think Harmi actually two hours before the bounce, or or even in the morning, said, Jordy, are feeling about getting Bont? like We were seriously considering it.
00:04:14
JORDAN D'SENA
And i was just I ended up going Whitfield just because of the whole knee soreness. And what did Bont do in that first quarter? Went absolutely ridiculous. And I was like, I knew this was going to happen.
00:04:27
JORDAN D'SENA
So I had to mute the chats and I had to just turn it off for a bit. And what happens, he ended on 106 and he's sort got a sore knee. So anyway, I'm happy I made the right decision, but the first quarter or the first half was a bit hard and sorry for all those messages that I sent out.
00:04:47
Holmesy
But a bit behind the curtains, Jordy is a bit of a menace in the group chats. He loves to put the messages through and and we do love it. But yeah, it was, Jordy, we all knew that Bont having 16 touches in that first quarter, 49 points was going to translate to a 200 score.
00:04:58
Jon Harmey
you
00:05:02
Holmesy
Like it's it's definitely linear. You didn't have to worry that he was going to slow or anything like that. He's definitely not playing sore. You just missed the opportunity.
00:05:11
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, well, he he's done in the last six games, he's gone 140 four times against Fremantle. So I thought it was a 140 on the cards, but um I'm um' happy he slowed up because he's gotten cheaper. And um I guess, yeah, we can talk about him a bit later and and sort of what we do with him. Is he an option?
00:05:33
Holmesy
Yeah, I'm not going to lie. When I was watching that Freya game at the pub Friday night, he was everywhere and I was thinking the same thing. But yeah, did slow and sounds like he is still pretty sore. But let's get into our rounds for the week. And unfortunately, i need to kick us off.
00:05:51
Holmesy
I have a very middling team at the moment and it's getting trickier each week to turn it around, but we keep plugging on. So I had the 2067, which did bring me up about a thousand ranks into just inside 10,933.
00:06:10
Holmesy
My Stato pick for the week, and I am a little bit nervous about this because typically when I give the Stato pick of the week, they turn it around and give a stink of the week after. But I just want to give Wayne Miller a shout out.
00:06:22
Holmesy
He's been a little bit up and down since I brought him in in round two. He's had some lower scores, but a 117 and a 110 in his last three is definitely helping to prop up his price as he gets towards his buy.
00:06:36
Holmesy
So that definitely is good for him. And The negative three, I'm going to give it to someone else, Lou, but Josh Rochelle giving that free kick away on the goal line cost my cost my side 12 points. I was actually off the couch when Miller kicked that goal.
00:06:52
Holmesy
um It was really soft. It shouldn't have been a free kick, but yeah, far out.
00:06:56
Lew
Yeah, that was, I mean, i was as a Port fan, i was I was pretty thrilled with that result at the time.
00:06:56
Holmesy
Were you a bit you a bit upset with the the showdown?
00:07:02
Lew
But yeah, certainly didn't help our fantasy scoring. That's one of the softer free kicks that I think we'll ever see. That's for sure. But yeah, that's ah that's a big turnaround for you with the Miller a goal, mate.
00:07:11
Holmesy
Bit of a sidetrack.
00:07:15
Lew
you would You would have been feeling that one big time, especially at the pub.
00:07:16
Holmesy
off Yeah, I mean, can't can't be upset with a 110, but just a bit sidetracked before we move on. I didn't see much of the showdown and you guys might have been at the game, but the the group chats were lighting up saying Rochelle was definitely having a sook playing forward and looked out of sorts. Is is that what you were saying, Jordy?
00:07:36
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, ah definitely yeah ah he looked a bit frustrated to me. I think the third quarter after halftime, he went in the CBA. I think he had the five CBAs in here. That was all in one quarter, I'm pretty sure.
00:07:47
JORDAN D'SENA
But he did look frustrated. And yeah, I just wonder, like he's going to be another hold for me this week. It is concerning with everything that's happened. Like Dawson should be back. I think Archie's coming back. So what happens there? But yeah, I think he wants to play midfield. Like he's was killing it there. So He's probably a bit unhappy with the coaching at the moment, I would say.
00:08:10
Holmesy
Yep, one to discuss later. My dossie pick of the week, already touched on it. Jack Steele, 65, has just been going the last couple of weeks. A few sort of 80s and 90s scores.
00:08:21
Holmesy
ah But that 65 in that Sydney matchup is definitely a concern. But fingers crossed he can turn it around against the Eagles this week, I believe. Who is next? Jordy.
00:08:35
JORDAN D'SENA
Yep, so I'm next. I got 2090. It put me into rank of 6,414. So I went up about 1,200 spots with that. So that was nice. As we discussed, yeah, I traded in Whitfield over Bont. So obviously a bit of a fair price there, but very happy with the 113 that he got. And he's got a pretty good run now coming up. And a big change there was Lockie Ash actually played midfield. So he had, I think, over 50% CBA. So that allowed Whitfield to have 11 kick-ins and just take all the ball back there.
00:09:08
JORDAN D'SENA
So if Ash is going to continue this role, I think that adds a couple of extra points onto Whitfield and what he can do. So very happy with that. The Dossie pick.
00:09:20
JORDAN D'SENA
Oh, Louis. this Every time I think about Todd Marshall, me and Louis went there. I put him straight on field at F6. What was he doing? Donuts. He got 28. It was him or Cook.
00:09:33
JORDAN D'SENA
I ended up taking Cook's score anyway and figuring it out in the midfield. But um yeah, that was bad. He went forward. Anyway, he's not getting on my field ever again.
00:09:46
Lew
He's been one of the wildest ones.
00:09:46
Holmesy
Harmi, you've been playing this game for a long time. Sorry, Luke. Have you ever had a player on negative three halftime that was actually playing the game?
00:09:54
Jon Harmey
I remember one year I was in contention. I think it was 2018. I was in the 100 or something. And fucking out o sorry Alan Christensen got um it got knocked out.
00:10:04
JORDAN D'SENA
Thank you.
00:10:06
Jon Harmey
He got knocked out. um And then, like, when he was knocked out, he was lying on the ball and they gave a free kick against him and he finished on negative three.
00:10:18
Holmesy
It wouldn't happen in these days, Harmy, with the the time on ground rule. But yeah, unbelievable luck from from you guys. He's yeah unfortunately turned out to be ah a real headache of a pick. But you can understand why you guys went there to start the year. Lou, you were slightly better than Geordie this week.
00:10:35
Lew
Yep, I scored the 2,096, which was yeah it wasn't too bad, which puts my rank back up to 19,900. I had a bit of a shocker last week, so um I've climbed back another 6,000
Team Performance and Group Chat Dynamics
00:10:51
Lew
ranks. It does show how tight it actually is um in that sort of area. My Stato pick of the week, though, is Nick Newman for the 1.22 on debut. He's one that I've sort of been...
00:11:03
Lew
circling for a little while and finally found the opportunity to bring him in. And yeah, I was really pumped about that. So hopefully we can see ah some of that classic Nick Newman ceiling that we saw a couple of years ago, even despite his age.
00:11:17
Lew
We'll see how it goes, but yeah,
00:11:17
JORDAN D'SENA
Thank you.
00:11:19
Lew
terms my Dossie Pick of the Week, though, there's always one or two that I that i have every single year, and it's a poor captain score. ah Nothing worse. I mean, obviously, it's worse than an 80, but the Sheezil 80 captain score, seeing your captain score start with a one is always a little bit deflating.
00:11:37
Lew
um Yeah, I didn't really pick that one, to be honest. It was actually his lowest score for the season. So a little bit stiff there, but yeah, definitely lost some points on that one, especially when I had the ah the VC in hand with a 109. I should have taken that probably.
00:11:53
Holmesy
Harmi, we can always tell that point of the season where Louis is a little bit more checked out of fantasy than he normally is. And that came this week. So Louis has gone dead quiet in the group chat in the other one that we're in.
00:12:08
Holmesy
And he just comes in for one message Saturday afternoon and he's gone... Do I take the McCluggage VC? So that was Rogan itself. we ah we all We all didn't really say anything.
00:12:18
Jon Harmey
Must have missed that.
00:12:19
Holmesy
And then the only other message we got out of him for the weekend on Saturday night was, oh, damn, Captain She's lol.
00:12:19
Jon Harmey
Sorry, Lou.
00:12:21
Lew
You thought I was trolling.
00:12:26
Holmesy
That was it.
00:12:28
Lew
ah
00:12:31
Holmesy
We need you back. We need you back, Lou. Harmy, flying the flag for us, mate. Going very well. How'd you go this week?
00:12:36
Jon Harmey
Yeah, not too bad. Put up a score of 2-1-5-1. And that brought me in from about... oh Well, my rank 3,542. I think I went up about 3,000 spots. So must have been fairly good compared to some of the coaches out there. The Stato pick of the week. I don't think anybody has mentioned Christian Petruka. So I'll go him. 117. But, man, he's just...
00:13:05
Jon Harmey
Watching that first quarter, is just he's just everywhere at the moment. He's just covering ground so well and he just bobs up constantly trying to get the peel and it's great to watch as an owner. My dossie pick of the week, ah look...
00:13:19
Holmesy
Thank
00:13:21
Jon Harmey
Maybe Sam Flanders. he's He's a guy that was close to the negatives, wasn't he? had four at quarter time. Then he gave away a free kick at the start of the second quarter. So he was on one. So, geez, I reckon Flanders can have it at the moment. He hasn't been really lighting it up, has he?
00:13:38
Holmesy
Yeah, hes the traders have dubbed him free-ride Flanders. And it's we get these picks every year where we we select them and we don't really think about about them at all. And to be fair, he was very cheap. But yeah, in this role, he's probably not going to be a top six forward. So come luxury trades at the end of the buys or whenever, it could be someone that we look to jump off if he's not getting that full-time midfield role. And Harmya, I can always tell when you're more up and about for AFL Fantasy because we only give one Stato and Dossie Pick of the Week and you've lifted listed half your team in the show doc. So clearly you are very, very excited. But let's give a quick Pod Pod Challenge update.
PodPod Challenge and News Update
00:14:17
Holmesy
Three coaches still inside the top 100.
00:14:20
Holmesy
Happy Grillmore sitting at 33. Very good to see at this time of year with strong team value. Knocked loose sitting at 81. And then great team name. Not sure where it's come from, but Jake Lehman's Mo coming into an 89 rank. So that's the first time we've seen you up there. So well done.
00:14:41
Holmesy
And as always, a um just a reminder that the Pod Pod Challenge is sponsored by our friends at supercoachchampion.com and the winner will receive a free AFL Fantasy custom ring and the lead code is still in the show description below if you would like to get amongst it. But boys, just like a couple of weeks ago, we have a news update from our good friend Drew Jones over at Goat Fantasy.
00:15:05
Holmesy
For any AFL fantasy coach that wants to get all of the key information ahead of round ahead of the round that's coming up, Drew puts out four podcasts a week that are all very small snippets of relevant AFL fantasy news.
00:15:06
JORDAN D'SENA
Thank you.
00:15:18
Holmesy
So he's going to give us the news this week.
00:15:44
Holmesy
right.
00:15:44
JORDAN D'SENA
Mm-hmm.
00:16:37
Holmesy
Thank
00:16:52
JORDAN D'SENA
Thank you.
00:17:21
Holmesy
Cheers for that fantasy
Impact of Player Roles on Performance
00:17:23
Holmesy
goat. i mean I bit of relevant news there, Lou. I saw you give the the fist pump for Connor Buterick. Have you held him one? But the question I have for you, do you think that might affect Bailey Dale at all, considering we saw the scoring a bit lower earlier in the year when they were playing together?
00:17:39
Lew
No, certainly didn't hold him. Just pumped for my buddy Geordie here. He's a big fan of Buderich, as we know. um He might have held him, actually. But, yeah, I mean, you'd have to think there might be a small little hit there. I think Dale sort of came into his own after a bit of a slow start, certainly when Buderich went out. And he he was he was actually going okay back there and taking a fair amount of ball off of him. So, yeah, probably a few alarm bells, don't you think?
00:18:07
Holmesy
Yeah, I suppose and the tricky thing is is we know that Bailey Dale had that modified preseason, was a lot was a bit injured with the knee early days. so was it the injury? Was it Connor Buderich? It's hard to hard to kind of tell.
00:18:21
Holmesy
Price at 91 now. We've got a lot of evidence to suggest that Bailey Dale is that 95-ish guy. But yeah, definitely still a target this week. Jordy, the Tim Taranto one is interesting because obviously Sam Cumming is one rookie downgrade option that we've all got our eyes on after that midfield roll against the Eagles on the weekend and and scoring 86. Prestia goes out.
00:18:46
Holmesy
Taranto comes in any concern for you on Sam coming I mean we need to apply the Eagles tax to that score we need to remember that they are Richmond and they normally don't typically score very well but yeah give me your thoughts on that
00:18:59
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, I mean, he had quite a high CBA, Sam Cummings, so maybe that just comes down a little bit. But I'm still pretty keen. like Yes, he got 86, but even if he goes at 50, I know, i mean, we'll talk about rookies a bit later, but I'm still happy to to um trade it into that, even if he makes 100 to 150K, because I think after this week, we're not going to have many rookies, I think.
00:19:22
JORDAN D'SENA
I'm also interested in Taranto in a couple of weeks. I think with that R13 buy, I think he could be he could even have a seven in front of his name if he gets that cheap. So he's one to keep an on, I reckon.
00:19:36
Holmesy
Don't mind that. And Harmi, I'll get your thoughts on some of the other relevant ones and what you picked up on. But I mean, the good thing, not good for Perryman, obviously. We love Harry Perryman. But that injury is another best 22 player going out.
00:19:49
Holmesy
You know, Angry Anderson didn't play very well on the weekend. Pendlebury comes back. Some of the other players might return. Would you be worried as an Angry Anderson owner that, you know, he might find him his way out of the side soon?
00:20:02
Jon Harmey
Yeah, I'm a little bit worried. ed Allen played well in the twos as well. I saw the Harry Perryman one, I don't mind for Geordie and I from a date Josh Dacos perspective.
00:20:14
Jon Harmey
There's sort of a lot of times where actually get, I think they must wear the same coloured boots. And like there's quite a few times where I saw Perryman getting a mark out towards the wing on the back flank and thinking it was Dacos.
00:20:25
Jon Harmey
But yeah, I wasn't.
00:20:26
JORDAN D'SENA
So orange boots.
00:20:28
Jon Harmey
Yeah, yeah, it is orange boots, hey? But yeah, there was a bit in there from the goat, so that was that was really handy. I guess the Jai Caldwell thing, probably something else we floated in the group chat is Dyson Sharp, who I started with this year and traded out of. I think that that um let's have a run in the midfield first-year player was really not something that I see sticking. Caldwell, you know,
00:20:56
Jon Harmey
will probably pay. And you've got Darcy Parrish coming back in, so I'm not as keen on him as a trading option. And probably just the one other thing I'll throw back to you, boys, that that the fantasy goat mentioned is Raoul.
00:21:10
Jon Harmey
Tell you what, Raoul and Anderson at the moment, I just look at them continuing to drop money thinking there's got to be a point in time when they're going to be good trading options. But shes then you see them play and they're continuing to put up poor scores. So I don't know what to think of the Suns midfield at the moment.
00:21:31
Holmesy
I think Raoul Harmi, like if we look at his scoring last year and, you know, Vams did a lot of work in the preseason, in the early rounds about how these midfielders score. And Raoul was in the Sarong conversation with just stoppages, stoppages, stoppages.
00:21:46
Holmesy
So I'm not sure Raoul is actually going to be that guy for us this year. i mean, we've seen Dunkley drop off now. so Caleb Sarong is another example of someone that's just not getting it done in that in their systems.
00:21:58
Holmesy
Raoul, I just don't think we we go anywhere near, considering it Brownlow year. Noah Anderson's a an interesting one because you you kind of think last year he when he was getting tagged was the reason that a lot of these floor scores were happening.
00:22:13
Holmesy
you're You're tagging Petrarca over Anderson, aren't you? Like with the way he's playing, especially mid-forward.
00:22:18
Jon Harmey
Guess we'll see this week. Yeah, guess we'll see this week, won't we?
00:22:22
Holmesy
But I think Noah, especially with their round 12 buy, which is going to be a bit of our discussion in ah in a minute, I don't think you touch that until after the buy at a minimum. But yeah, I would be cautious. And mate, Leo Lombard, change of role on the weekend with Rial out. He was up around the ball and actually looked good at times.
00:22:41
Holmesy
So all I'm saying is I've got my F6 locked. And if you boys have traded him out, a bit of regrets.
00:22:50
Holmesy
Play on. All right.
00:22:51
JORDAN D'SENA
Ha ha ha.
00:22:53
Holmesy
Let's get into our sort of strategy
Strategy: Planning for Buy Rounds
00:22:56
Holmesy
discussion. And I do want to kick off a little bit with buy around discussion because they are fast approaching. And we do know year on year that if you plan your buys well and you execute well during the buys and you come out with a better side than when you went in,
00:23:12
Holmesy
it's it's definitely an opportunity to gain some serious rank. And it is a lot easier now that there's five buy rounds that spread out. There's only four teams per buy, three trades per week.
00:23:23
Holmesy
Does make it a lot easier to manage. But for any Marrera's Magic season guide or in-season member, sorry, if you haven't gone onto the buy planner yet to actually plan out and see how many players you have playing for the buys and going through that, i would highly recommend doing that over at marrera'smagic.com.au. It's a fantastic tool But Jordy, have you started looking at your buys yet? Because as I said, the round 12 buys coming up and that is ah that is a tricky one. We've been talking about it for a while in terms of the forwards. But I mean, as it stands, I only have three players available in my forward line, which means I'm really only looking at probably 18 on field unless I can start to fix that in the next couple of weeks. And we do have some trades at that round 12 buy, which is going to make it easier for us.
00:24:12
Holmesy
but it's players like, you know, you're not trading out Shiesel. You're not trading out Petrarca if you've got him. I don't. Rochelle, yes, probably on the chopping block if that doesn't turn around. Cook will probably be ready to go. But if there's no forward rookies to trade into, you know, you're not just going to burn a trade there. So have you started looking at your buy structure and what are you sort of planning on doing between now and then to make sure you're all good to go?
00:24:36
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, I definitely have. So I've actually only got two forwards. I've got McInerney and Flanders. So I've actually would have 17, 18 at the moment. I am...
00:24:45
JORDAN D'SENA
i am pretty certain Murdoch's going to get it forward status. So that adds an 18th there. Jagger Smith today is at 36%. So he's borderline at the moment of getting it, which would be a massive one. so I'm keen to hold him.
00:25:04
JORDAN D'SENA
But so that would give me 19 if possible. But what I'm thinking about doing between now and round 12 is I actually think i'll I'm keen to trade off Rochelle. I think,
00:25:15
JORDAN D'SENA
I'll keep him this week, but I'm thinking about paying up for Cozzy Pickett and just going Richelli to Cozzy Pickett before the R12 buy. ah know he's a price at 106, but I think Pickett for R12 is going to be pretty valuable.
00:25:30
JORDAN D'SENA
And my other guy is, so then I would have four or five forwards and I'd love to get McAndrew up to Tim English, which might only be about 100 And that should get me about 20 dots for that R12. 21 if Jagger um gets the forward status. So that's my plan. This week I can you know i can get an upgrade. But next week, if there's no rookies, I might just do Rochelle next week. I'm thinking about it straight to picket.
00:26:02
JORDAN D'SENA
okay So I definitely have started planning it. um I think then round 13 obviously is the great R13 buy. But once you get to round 12... and you're good, you've got weeks then to, I think, figure out the rest of your side.
00:26:17
Holmesy
Yeah, and that's yeah that's a great point. So I've gone through and had look at mine. and So yeah, 18 players in round 12 playing, then 22 in round 13, 22 in round in round and in round So that's if you know With the way that it's all lined up this year, it's it's a lot it's spread out a lot more than than usual. I feel like the teams are evenly spread and we're not getting a huge concentration in one round outside of the forward line in round 12.
00:26:49
Holmesy
So I think they are going to be quite you know manageable, but at the same time, you know we're going to go over this in a minute, but we are trading out. We're going to be trading out of some best 22 rookies and we are reliant on some new rookies coming through that are going to be playing and able to put up put up decent enough scores. So, i mean, yeah, that's that's the interesting talking point. And Harmi, that gets us onto our next sort of point is that We are still looking to get rookies off field. So one down, one up to to maximize the cash that's been made for some of these
Debate: Trading Out Rookies or Mid-Priced Players
00:27:21
Holmesy
rookies. But we are starting to see a fair few players that are concerns in our side. Now, I i was a little bit different to you guys, but I had Caleb Sorong that I actually traded out last week.
00:27:31
Holmesy
So because I had the cash left over, I decided that I could still get a rookie off field and trade Sorong at the same time. But we've got guys like Jack Steele. We've got Rochelle. Some coaches have gone that, you know, he saved his scoring on the weekend, but he doesn't have that main rock role that we know he's had in the past. You know, Flanders is now, you know, ah sorry. Yeah. Flanders has put up a poor score and his role isn't that that good. Caldwell for those owners. So,
00:28:01
Holmesy
Do you have to stick fat with those players knowing that, you know, a Jack Steel, for example, if he puts up another stinker, could lose 80-odd K and then you're in ah in a world of hurt. Is a k you know, trading off him and making 80K by not losing it, is that a thing to think about or is it still just rookies off field and deal with those guys later at the buys?
00:28:25
Jon Harmey
Well, I think you each week you're looking to trade out of um the player that you've got most concerns about. And for most of us, that's often the rookies.
00:28:32
JORDAN D'SENA
Thank
00:28:34
Jon Harmey
But if you've got an injured player or a mid-pricer that's truly bombing, that's when you can take the opportunity as long as you are getting them properly.
00:28:46
Jon Harmey
I guess the the times when you stagnate your team value, the growth in your team overall is just when you're flipping people sideways and you don't really get ahead. So I'm trying to think of an example. Last week I had Colby Mukherjee, which is still ah probably a little bit concerning at the moment just based on his role. It doesn't really have the role that i would liked and um You know, if I went sideways to a number of players, i probably would lost points.
00:29:17
Jon Harmey
It would have only really worked if I'd gone up to Nassiah, Witte, in the end, Bailey Dale or Newman.
00:29:23
Holmesy
Harmi, can I just... I'll get you to keep going. But, Jordy, have you given Harmi the good news yet about Colby?
00:29:30
JORDAN D'SENA
I think I did. i So Colby pushed it 38% forward. um So he will get you to get forward status maybe in this role.
00:29:39
Lew
Another round 12 forward.
00:29:39
Jon Harmey
Hmm.
00:29:39
JORDAN D'SENA
He's got the by. But does...
00:29:40
Holmesy
Just another round 12 forward to put into your side, Harmi.
00:29:43
Jon Harmey
Yay. Yay.
00:29:45
Holmesy
Sorry to cut you off. But, yeah, you are right.
00:29:46
JORDAN D'SENA
but to's
00:29:46
Jon Harmey
Nah.
00:29:48
Holmesy
I suppose if we go through those players individually, though. So, Jack Steele...
00:29:51
Jon Harmey
just Just one other thing on that, Holmesy. And you're you're right, because the one down, one up is the sort of thing that you should be looking to do. i guess the last two weeks I've done it and I'm sort of fairly happy, but I've also brought in the last two weeks Anderson from Collingwood.
00:30:07
Jon Harmey
Now his spot looks vulnerable. And Retchko, who also didn't have an amazing game. So it's kind of also like, i think one of you guys said Jaggers-Smith, like you're trading out Jaggers-Smith and bringing in Retchko. Well, the job security is actually quite different between those two players, isn't it?
00:30:28
Holmesy
Yeah, and I agree with that. And we we kind of have this conversation year on year is that it's ah it's ah it's a tricky period for rookie trade-outs because the the rookies that are coming through, they haven't played this year for a particular reason. Now, Sam Cumming, albeit elevated rookie price, I think he's different because he would have been there round one. He just had the shoulder injury, which meant they had to give him the slower build-up to then come into the side. And then obviously Richmond have all the injuries.
00:30:56
Holmesy
So his spot in the side is probably relatively safe, at least to his buy. And then if they reset after that, you don't really know. But you know this was the time last year that we traded into a bustlinger, a haze.
00:31:09
Holmesy
There was ah another couple I mentioned last week that that failed for us. And then all of a sudden, you might find yourself in trouble with you know some red dots throughout the buys and not being able to get potentially 18, 19 players on field. So we do need to be careful.
00:31:25
Holmesy
So, Louis, let's talk about some of these rookies then and let's let's talk about whether we are looking to hold them a little bit more long-term throughout the buys or whether because they've reached their max price essentially without another pop score, we should be looking to get off them. So, I suppose I'll start with two first.
00:31:41
Holmesy
So, r three, sorry. So, Grill has to go. i think because of that 40 now, he's been tiring for a few weeks. I think they would have rested him if Richmond had more players available.
00:31:54
Holmesy
Caveat being, if they do rest him this week, he's probably not an urgent trade-out this week because you get her get to have a look and he's not going to lose money. But Jai Sarong and Farrow both have pretty high break-evens now for what they're sort of averaging. So I think Sarong's is up in the 60s and Farrow is up at about 71%.
00:32:14
Holmesy
They both have good job security though and Sarong especially playing high time on ground. Are those two rookies you'd be happy to hold longer term or they're at their price now we need to to cash out and maximize?
00:32:27
Lew
Yeah, I think, first of all, Grew is probably one that's just starting to feel the effects of his first season. And he's dropped a couple of poor scores. And I think he's one that you can pretty comfortably move on now. I think we've still got some goggles back to round one, potentially, when he did pop that 100-plus score. But I think those times might be behind him for now.
00:32:48
Lew
ah Jacob Farrow... I'm not sure on him. off I think he's playing a really nice role and Essendon do tend to share the ball behind the footy. He hasn't had the greatest last couple of games, but I think that's one rookie that on any given matchup can still pop you a 70 to 80 score and you know potentially even...
00:33:08
Lew
um something higher. So that's one that I would probably push towards the back of the pack in terms of trading. And then Jai Sorong, I'm a big fan. He's actually a really nice footballer and being a little bit more mature age, I wouldn't be expecting him to To slow down too much, I think you know he's got a really good fitness base clearly and has found a real nice role in that side.
00:33:25
Holmesy
you
00:33:31
Lew
So he's probably at this stage one of the final rookies that I'm going to be looking to to move on, certainly from a job security perspective.
00:33:41
Holmesy
Yeah, I think the the thing that makes it more enticing about Sarong and Faro is that they are a bit more expensive. And because we're going down to, well, I am, a Sam Cumming, and a lot of coaches will be, you're only going to make 250-odd K from a Sarong and even less from Faro.
00:33:59
Holmesy
you're not really able to get up to some of these underpriced primos unless you are still happy to go a Nick Newman, Bailey Dale type or or one of those forwards that aren't quite as expensive.
00:34:10
Holmesy
If you want to get up higher to the top, especially in the midfield, you're going to need more cash to play with. So that's why a lot of coaches are choosing to trade off one of these players this week. And I'll put my hand up. I love Jai Sorong, but he's someone I'm looking at because it allows me to get up to a ah midfield target that I'd like.
00:34:28
Holmesy
But yeah, I agree that his job security is quite good throughout the buys. Jordy's already talked about Jagger Smith. I think he's a hold for now as well. Although i don't think he's going to get forward status because he's actually gone into the midfield more and and we're starting to see that forward time reduce. And he's only got that 1% to play with unless he has a game where he's full-time forward.
00:34:49
Holmesy
Milan Murdoch's interesting because, Harmi, we are starting to see him tire a little bit. You know, he burst out of the scenes with a 90 and an 80, then got injured and I think he had an 80, a 70, and now he's back in a 60. And that was in a Richmond matchup, which is pretty much as soft as it gets.
00:35:06
Holmesy
He is going to get the forward status though. So I think you're holding, but out of those names that I've got here on the list, Blamires, Carol, Lindsay probably has still a little bit more cash to make and has good shop security, but are you just happy to to trade off these guys if it's going to get you up to the the premium you want?
00:35:25
Jon Harmey
ah Yeah, I think I am. um Obviously, have a look at their break-evens. I did have a bit of a look at some of that. So think Farrow's break-even's over 70 now. I think it's probably time for him to go, even though he's got a nice role with Ridley going down. it sort of helped him. But I think, yeah, I think the the time, as long as we have those downgrade targets, the time is right for...
00:35:50
Jon Harmey
pretty well everybody you've mentioned. I'm going to try and hold Jagger another week or so. Sorong you could certainly hold another week or so. Murdoch still got cash to make so but yeah I mean all of the others. Blamires who I traded him out last week. Carroll.
00:36:07
Jon Harmey
um Those guys at Grill they're all they're all done. you know You're going to make very little out of them. Those guys you'd be lucky to get $10,000 a week in cash growth at the moment so Yeah, i' happy enough to trade off them.
00:36:22
Holmesy
Yeah, no, that's fair enough. So let's talk downgrade options then, Jordy. You've given us a bit of a list. I think we're all in agreeance that all things being equal, Sam coming this week is probably the option, even though he's a bit more elevated. But for those that didn't go Retchco, Jordy, do you think that's too expensive or would you go there still?
00:36:43
JORDAN D'SENA
Oh, well, he's the same price as Cumming and he's got the same break even. So, um mean, I guess you could probably still go there. I didn't catch the game, but I assume he was on that wing. and But that that game, there wasn't the scoring for all rookies was down, and i think. So, i mean, the week before, he he's like he looked like he was going to turn up. So, I think you can still go there if you've missed him. I doubt many have missed him, but um we're going to pay the same price for Sam Cumming, who, um yeah, they probably do the same really from here.
00:37:13
Holmesy
Louis, if you're someone that's in the defender line trading market this week. So Will Edwards from Sydney still keeps getting games priced at 28. Not going to be a huge scorer, but seems like he's going okay at the moment.
00:37:28
Holmesy
But a bit of debutante news. So is it Ryan from Hawks, the defender, two hundred and thirty k playing frio do you want to Do you want to give that a week to to see how he looks and and see who of the who the outs are or would you be happy to to launch into that and save save some cash?
00:37:46
Lew
I think you're always in a better position to wait a week, especially from those basement price rookies where you can ah still jump in at a pretty nice price point. I know Retchko...
00:37:57
Lew
he was 230K and the following week, despite a really nice performance, was just the 260. So that's always preferable, but I think we are going to start encroaching on that time of the year where ah maybe a couple of coaches really want to get up on the other end and and they're going to take some risks on these rookies. And look, sometimes it does pay off. So yeah, just like you, Holmesy, I think I will be looking at those outs there. It's probably a line that I'm shopping in as well in terms of a rookie. So um Yeah, I need to look into his numbers though. I didn't even know he was debuting, to be honest with you.
00:38:34
Holmesy
I think he averaged 83 in the VFL this year. Decent enough scoring throughout. I suppose we just need to see. I know Cicely got injured late in the Collingwood game. So whether he's playing and he's a little bit more forward or whether the other defenders is being rested, I'm not too sure. But yeah, happy to to watch that for a week. Harmi, this is a a left field one. And I know you're not going to have the answer to this, but...
00:38:56
Holmesy
Toby Murray as the backup ruck for Adelaide. So we are... Jordy, can you just quickly check this because I don't have it in front of me. Is he just purely a ruck or is he ruck forward?
00:39:05
JORDAN D'SENA
No, he's a forward only, I'm pretty sure.
00:39:07
Holmesy
Forward only. There we go.
00:39:08
JORDAN D'SENA
Yep.
00:39:08
Holmesy
So forward option who we are. we know We're looking at forward options. He only had the 30% time on ground in the the only game that he played with McAndrew earlier in the year.
00:39:20
Holmesy
But he did have 68% time on ground this week. this week The flag though, Hami, is that Tex Walker did the hammy early in the game. So do you think that time on ground was elevated due to the risk or with McAndrew starting to slow, do you think they actually give that second Ruckman a bit more time to to chop out? They do have Richmond this week.
00:39:40
Jon Harmey
Yeah, and I think Darcy Fogarty, they're looking at getting back in, aren't they? So um the thought i think that that's the type of player that they want in the side to be able to back up Lockie McAndrew. So um they don't want to have Riley O'Brien.
00:39:57
Jon Harmey
They want to have somebody who's a capable backup ruck who is not Riley Thealthorpe. So i think they like the idea of him being in the side. i just... We just haven't seen it at the regularity that we would really like, do we? So he did get injured, I'm pretty sure. i'm just trying to see his stuff here.
00:40:18
Jon Harmey
Yeah, so he got injured.
00:40:19
Holmesy
Also another round 12 rookie too.
00:40:20
Jon Harmey
He miss missed a bunch of games, but then he's played the last two and scored 73 on the weekend. i actually thought he was pretty good. Good hands, good mark. i I actually didn't mind him as a player, but he's probably on the fringe of the side, isn't he?
00:40:34
JORDAN D'SENA
i I think he's bored himself a couple weeks. I thought he was really good at the showdown, kicked the two goals. Seems to be like that bit of a barometer, almost, like a just a culture guy. so
00:40:46
Holmesy
A Rhys Matheson, is that what you're telling me?
00:40:49
JORDAN D'SENA
ah Yeah, yeah. I just had to to think about who that was for a second, then Brisbane player. But yeah, I think he's got a few weeks in the side now with Tex out. So i don't, again, the scoring wise, but I mean, it's if you need a forward, like, could you go there? Maybe.
00:41:07
Holmesy
Yeah, it's it's interesting. Round 12 buys a little bit little bit with ah with all our forward options. But yeah, I suppose definitely one to consider. ah Yeah, left field. But let's quickly go through some targets before we hit the questions at the end.
00:41:23
Holmesy
Harmi, the defenders, so, you know, some of the big dogs. Lockie Ash, I think you still want to see what that midfield role looks like before launching into him at the end of the buys. Whitfield now priced at 108, so he's getting up there. Probably fair priced. Nasaya priced at 107.
00:41:39
Holmesy
Zorko's interesting, priced at 106. Still has a high break even, but he... um pretty much left off where he was going before he got that injury. I think we've got to wait for him to come back down a little bit more. But is it as simple as a Newman or a Dale this week? If you're looking to shop in the defensive line, Dale at 91 and Newman at 86?
Defender Trade Targets Discussion
00:42:00
Jon Harmey
Yeah, well, as the as the Mountain Goats mentioned earlier, I looked at Dale. I'm pretty sure I was talking about him on the podcast last week, and I did look at him. was quite keen on him, too,
00:42:13
Jon Harmey
But I saw the Buderich one to two weeks last week. So that's why I didn't go there. ah still think that's ah actually a bit of a risk. But look, he smashed it on the weekend. So um yeah, you could still bring him in. He's about 860 now, I think, from memory. So um yeah, he's he's an option.
00:42:36
Jon Harmey
Probably you didn't mention Bergman in that.
00:42:40
Holmesy
he was He was coming.
00:42:40
Jon Harmey
Holmesy?
00:42:41
Holmesy
He's a pod pod special for our Port boys.
00:42:41
Jon Harmey
Is he? No. Okay, all right, I'll leave that then.
00:42:43
Holmesy
Price at 66 ton on the weekend.
00:42:45
Jon Harmey
We'll leave that.
00:42:45
Holmesy
I think he had a 80 odd the week before.
00:42:49
Jon Harmey
Yeah, but look, as far as defensive targets, I think you've you've named them.
00:42:54
Holmesy
Yeah, you do want to get to the top. You know, the the top are the top guys. They've been consistent for a long time now. But I think it's probably too early if you've missed those guys. And we need to just let our team continue to rise in value before going all the way to the top. Louis, let's go to midfielders.
00:43:13
Holmesy
um we've already spoken about the Gold Coast boys. I don't think you go there at the moment, especially with the round 12 buy coming up. Dunkley is still super cheap, but there's the midfield guys of Will Ashcroft have gone past him at the moment.
00:43:26
Holmesy
Lockie Neal still scores. McCluggage is going to get fitter and start to score again as well. So I think we just let Dunkley go through to the keeper for now. Is it too much to pay 107 for Will Ashcroft?
00:43:38
Lew
Oh, it's probably right on the edge there. Do do we think that Will Ashcroft necessarily has ah large enough ceiling to just sort of pay 107? I suppose he is starting to to prove us wrong a little bit in terms of that ceiling, but I do worry that sometimes that floor...
00:43:54
Lew
does creep in and and wonder if he does start to cop a little bit of attention himself too. But ah look I think you're probably paying a fair price. I wouldn't talk anybody out of a Will Ashcroft. Do see you got Finn Callaghan here though. I think that's one that's probably going to be pretty prime pick over the next couple of weeks. And certainly with the next two weeks of his fixture, Essendon and Eagles, he should be one that can really...
00:44:19
Lew
capitalised there. We know that sort of game style that the Giants play, but where the AFL is moving, that that he takes full advantage of it. So I'm expecting him to come home pretty strong with 100-plus sort of average as he did last year.
00:44:34
Lew
um
00:44:35
Holmesy
Just on that, Lou, I just want to go to Harmi because I know Geordie's biased with this. So Callaghan was was my trade target. So he was always someone over the last few weeks that I wanted to have a look at once those tags car came out of the way. And obviously his break even was quite high. But Harmi, Gold Coast matchup has been a very good matchup for midfielders. We've seen a lot go massive in the last sort of few weeks, even months.
00:45:01
Holmesy
Lockie Ash going into the midfield, we know how much of a ah pig he is for the transition ball and the outside ball. Is it a concern that Callaghan only went the sort of flat ton in that particular matchup? And do we think that he's going to get those ceiling scores with Ash in there, Clayton Oliver's back in form? Do we think he's the guy or do we think he's just going to play a role in that midfield and be good but still attract the attention and not put up the ceiling scores we need? Because highest score this year of 116, which is ah a bit of a concern.
00:45:31
Jon Harmey
Yeah, and he played pretty well on the weekend and he got 100, didn't he, from memory? so perhaps that's just what he is. um the look The thing is, he is their best midfielder. He is their tap two but um they are not really playing that well and I feel as though Clayton Oliver is he's playing well enough um that he's taking some of the ball. So...
00:46:01
Jon Harmey
I don't know. Look, I was very close to bringing in Callaghan on the weekend. Ended up switching it late to Nassiah, which I felt was closer to the top of the line than what Callaghan is. And, yeah, I i don't know. the The back end of last season, he just smashed it. he was getting some really decent um ceiling scores, and we haven't really seen that this year yet
00:46:27
Holmesy
Yeah, I suppose back in the last year as well, he was doing it with Green alongside him. So there's no reason that he can't do it with Clayton Oliver in the side as well. I just think it's at the moment GWS just aren't playing as well as they were last year. So, and clearly he's getting some, some more attention than he was last year, but yeah, I think he's a good target. I just, I'm just flagging that, you know, there are concerns with how GWS are playing and,
00:46:50
Holmesy
and potentially that ceiling. But I think the rucks at the moment, we're just kind of leaving because we're so close to the buyer now with McAndrew. We've got to wait for Tim English to come down more and and see if he can get fit again and and hopefully be the R1, R2 that we all sort of selected him to be at the start of the year. I mean, Luke Jackson is interesting. He is...
00:47:11
Holmesy
clearly dominating at the moment on another planet but i think that 111 price tag we just have to let go at the moment and then look to to target him at some stage soon but yeah can't knock what he's doing gone you know i think you've you've paid up for him and you've just gotta you just gotta ride that now for a while you know heath unfortunately in the sides cutting his lunch a little bit but you never know he might be dropped soon and backs is back to doing max things but Jordy, the forward line is kind of interesting still because, you know, Cozzy Pickett and Petrarca owners are just laughing all the way at the bank at the moment while us are dealing with Rochelle. I mean, Harmi has C-Mac, but outside of that, you know, your reads are going okay without being fantastic.
00:47:54
Holmesy
ah These mid-price guys are going okay, Warner, but Petrarca and Cozzy are in a different league alongside Sheezal. You've already said you're looking to
Trading Options and Player Potential
00:48:02
Holmesy
pay up for him. Is it this week or is it a bit later on?
00:48:05
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, I think I'm happy to pay up for Cozzy at 106. Look, maybe he doesn't go at that, but with the forward line options, I need him for that R12 buy. I think I can put some points on field that week with Cozzy. And like you said, he's meant to get a tag with James Jordan on the weekend. He got a 50 point last. he's's He's just too good. He's probably the top five player in the comp at the moment.
00:48:28
JORDAN D'SENA
um I think with just with the forward line, it's kind of like the ruck line as well. I feel like you can pay up a little bit more with a player that's guaranteed best 22. i think Holmesy in your scenario, you don't have track.
00:48:41
JORDAN D'SENA
I think he's a pretty, if you can get to him this week, I think that's, Oh, true.
00:48:45
Holmesy
Round 12 bye. can't do it.
00:48:50
JORDAN D'SENA
He is at a really good price.
00:48:50
Holmesy
Yeah.
00:48:52
JORDAN D'SENA
Um, and as Harmi said, just looked like unreal on the weekend as he has pretty much all year. Um, That's pretty much the only guys I would, I guess it's Cozzy because the other guys here, JHF's got the buy. Bailey interests me, but he's at 92 now.
00:49:11
JORDAN D'SENA
i think I'm just happy to go up if I can. got the cash. C-Mac's been amazing, Harmi. Great pick up there. And Rankin, I think, well, we saw Rankin with a lot more midfield time and he's probably the value pick here. But again, buy. So you kind of have to skip him, I think.
00:49:31
Jon Harmey
Holmesy, don't think we have talked enough about Rowan Marshall. So I have had a look at Joshua Shelley out because I've been concerned for a couple of weeks now Rowan Marshall in, get rid of, know, like, yeah, don't know.
00:49:56
Jon Harmey
I've had a bit of a look at it. You've got to go back some way to find a season where he has put up scores less than what he's priced at just at the minute.
00:50:07
Jon Harmey
Talk me out of it, Holmesy. why Why is this a stupid i idea?
00:50:12
Holmesy
I mean, it would have been good to go a few weeks ago. It's, what, two tons in his last three. Massive game on the weekend, but that was built off a huge second half where Carlton were in all sorts. Still playing 50-50 ruck with De Koning. Has the Suns in Darwin this week, Harmi. So that's going to be a pretty tough matchup. But then obviously has Richmond at Marvel, as soft as it gets. Then he has Frio.
00:50:35
Holmesy
Then he has Hawks. Then Sydney. So it's it still is a relatively tough run. And yeah, that there's every chance he puts up a 50 in one of those games and you're picking him for some cash gen, right? And one score like that, you're in a you're in a world of hurt. But i can I love the appeal. It's Rowan Marshall.
00:50:53
Holmesy
And if Tom DeConing went down tomorrow, he'd be the most traded in player in the comp and we'd all own him. I get it. But I think this score here was just a ah game out of the box because of how poor Carlton were. Would you agree, Luke?
00:51:08
Lew
Yeah, I think so Look at the role and it's 50-50. It's what we were seeing at the start of the year. They have found a little bit of form together working in tandem, but I think that's one where you'll see some big Rowan Marshall scores scattered amongst some some floor scores, but I do see the appeal and in a forward line where we're pretty much going to take a 90 average at this point into the buyers, I can see him you know finding a vein of form and being there about. So I ah still don't mind it as a punt. Keeping in mind, I brought in Zerha, so I'm clearly inclined to take one in this line.
00:51:42
Holmesy
Did you trade him out, Lou, or you still got him?
00:51:44
Lew
No, no, traded him straight out. He went to Luggage.
00:51:49
Holmesy
Yeah, right, that. Oh, and Harmy, there's no secrets, mate.
00:51:50
JORDAN D'SENA
Hmm.
00:51:53
Holmesy
So to to the listeners, he's just put in the chat, I'm bringing in Rowan Marshall. we don't We don't do that here, mate. We are we are honest and accountable for our decisions, okay?
00:51:59
Jon Harmey
Thank you.
00:52:03
Holmesy
All right, boys, let's do some questions to finish. Jordy, first one comes from a Lauren. So she can afford to get wit in this week, but she's wondering whether she targets him a cluggage instead due to the lower break even. So whoever she doesn't get this week, she'll get next week. And she wants to prioritize points on field as there's still five rookies on field at the moment. So yeah, talk her through that.
00:52:25
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, I mean, both amazing options. Obviously, yeah, I got Whit last week and I'm looking at getting McCluggage this week. So I'm just thinking, is it McCluggage just because he's got a lot break even, should, got a good match up, should make a bit of money now.
00:52:40
JORDAN D'SENA
And I guess Whitfield, haven't checked with his break even, but if you can get him next week, he probably won't go up as as much as McCluggage. I think that's where i am, but you you want to get both in your side, I think.
00:52:53
Holmesy
Yep. Yeah. And um the McCluggage time on ground we forgot to mention was up to 74% this week. So that's pretty much up to where a lot of our midfielders are are playing this year time on ground wise. So I think he is ripe for the picking and playing Carlton unless he gets the dreaded Lockie Cowan tag, which I can't say that happening with Neil and Ashcroft in the side. I think he is going to do Hugh McCluggage things. Louis, the next question is from Jesse.
00:53:20
Holmesy
Wants to know whether he holds McAndrew at R3 for buy cover and bring in a a rookie and then a premium, which would be a Dale or a Newman, or does he trade McAndrew for a Whitfield and Nass plus a red dot, which would miss the sharp slash Roby this week. So he's got the the other coming slash retco rookies in the side. So is it time to jump off McAndrew or do you think you hold it and then just bring in one of those other guys?
00:53:43
Lew
No, I think you can keep McAndrew for a little while longer. He's not putting up any poor scores. He's kind of just been a an honest battler in our sides at this point. And I think that Dale and certainly Newman do reflect a little bit of value as well as on the other end, being able to bring in some um cash generation as we go into the buy.
00:54:04
Lew
personally, I think I would favour option one um and be curious to hear Harmi's thoughts on Sharp. I do like Sharp. He was highly rated, but maybe had the midfield time that Darcy Parrish sort of gave up on the weekend.
00:54:21
Lew
um And as well as that, I'd like to hear about Roby. He sort of strikes me as a bit of an impact player, so the scoring may be up and down, but those types of players can also pull out ah an 80-85 plus score and really get their cash generating at that price point.
00:54:37
Jon Harmey
Yeah, Lou, spot on with both players. I mean, I think it was really just an experience thing for Sharp. but I don't see that staying and being his role moving forward. i guess...
00:54:50
Jon Harmey
We'll see you this week. And if I'm wrong, um he just he just finished on that injured score, which is still built into his price cycle. So don't feel like he's going to get away from you anyway. And then Roby, very good player, very much an impact player and not a high position player um for the Bombers at the moment. So, I mean, you'll get Sardis or somebody coming back in and playing in the midfield ahead of Sullivan Roby at the moment.
00:55:20
Holmesy
Harmi, we've got a real pod pod special for you here and I'll put my hand up. I hadn't looked at this guy, but I've just done a little bit of research while you guys have been talking. So the next question is from Tim Jacobs.
00:55:31
Holmesy
Thoughts on Tom Brown. So seems to have a distributor role with banks out and has the nice buy. Makes money going down to him from Farrow. So... Tom Brown came in two weeks ago when Jaden Short was the laid out and scored the 94 points against Melbourne, I think it was, and then backed it up with 99 last week against the Eagles.
00:55:43
Jon Harmey
Mm-hmm.
00:55:51
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah.
00:55:55
Holmesy
So priced 57, break-even of nine, has a pretty decent run coming up. So has Adelaide this week and then goes Saints, Essendon, and then Sydney before the really good round 13 It is the pod pod, any interest.
00:56:11
Jon Harmey
Yeah, actually, I noticed that in my draft team, and I should have already got him. But anyway, if you looked at Banks, if you're saying he's taking the Banks role, Banks was averaging about 70%.
00:56:25
Jon Harmey
So I don't love that. The two scores that you've reeled off are against Melbourne and a West Coast. Two very easy matchups. So look, i just I don't think it's as appealing as what's made out in the question.
00:56:37
Lew
Thank you.
00:56:39
Jon Harmey
i won't be going there. i think there are better options, but I can see why he's got your attention.
00:56:47
Holmesy
Fair enough. They're the type of picks that when they come off, they absolutely propel you up the rankings. Think of Colby McEacher around this last year, but you need to be very sure that they're going to be close to the top of the line for a significant part of the season, which the evidence would suggest that he's not.
00:57:03
Holmesy
But back your gut. Yeah, it's definitely more interesting than I first thought. Jordy, for Ben, can you please rate the trade-out priority of Farrow, Blamires, Jagger, Sorong, Lindsay and Doverston?
00:57:20
JORDAN D'SENA
Yep, I think Blumeyer's number one here. think he can he can go. Obviously, he was out of the side, then in the side. um i actually think that Sarong and Farrow can go.
00:57:34
JORDAN D'SENA
ah traded Sarong last week. Farrow, as you said, high break even, but we saw on the weekend Gold Coast against Giants actually chipped it around a bit, so he could be okay this week.
00:57:46
JORDAN D'SENA
So i'm probably going Sarong next, then Farrow. I would have, yeah, Jagger, Lindsay and Dovitson lower. Obviously, you'd love to get rid of Dovitson, but you just can't go anywhere with him.
00:57:56
JORDAN D'SENA
So I think you just hold him.
00:57:57
Jon Harmey
Bye.
00:57:58
JORDAN D'SENA
And I definitely to get rid of Jagger on Lindsay. So I think what he's actually done here, Farrow emblemized out is great. And he's going, Sam coming, which is going to get some Bacastien. And he's going Bailey Dale in. So he's going for a value pick. So I think that's a good trade. One up, one down. is Yeah, that's exactly what we want to do at this time of year.
00:58:21
Holmesy
So then can you give an old school Stato stamp of approval, Farrow and Blumeyers out for Cumming and Bailey Dale?
00:58:29
JORDAN D'SENA
Yes. Approved.
00:58:32
Holmesy
Stato stamp of approval, Harmy. I need your Bombers glasses off here. This one's from Brett. Caldwell is too frustrating to hold any longer. So if he sideways is him to Hugh McCluggage, is he better off taking Gothard to a Bergman, which would move Sarong to the bench or down to a new rookie on the bench, knowing that he's already got Retchko and Cumming. So Caldwell, does he have to go?
00:59:00
Holmesy
and would you just be going sideways to McCluggage to not have to pay money to go up?
00:59:05
Jon Harmey
Better off taking Gothard to Bergman.
00:59:10
Jon Harmey
Sarong to the bench. Well, Sarong may score more than Bergman, really, anyway. Or down to a new rook on the bench. Yeah, probably cash out one of your rooks and get in. Oh, he's got Retchko and Cumming already there. That makes it harder because there's not many outside of them.
00:59:29
Jon Harmey
Jeez, that's a bit of a hard one, isn't it?
00:59:34
JORDAN D'SENA
to go for sharp.
00:59:35
Jon Harmey
Anyway, look, to to answer his first question, i actually quite... Hugh McCluggage is probably the best trading target this week and I don't mind Caldwell going to him because even if he does get up, he's got an ankle injury and he's not going to be 100%. So i don't I like that side of his trade.
00:59:54
Jon Harmey
Not quite sure about the rest.
00:59:57
Holmesy
Yeah, I think probably cashing up to then get up to some of the other targets next week. You might even find you've got some money to do um you know a double-ish upgrade where you might be able to get a rookie up plus fix up a Rochelle, something along those lines.
01:00:10
Holmesy
I think that's probably what I'd be doing out of the options. I think it is probably a sharp if the caveat being that Asadis doesn't come back in.
01:00:17
JORDAN D'SENA
Thank you.
01:00:18
Holmesy
We're assuming that Parrish comes back in There's obviously doubt around Caldwell, but you'd want to be sure that Sharp has the midfield role from the weekend because we have seen his scoring outside of that not be up to you know standard to make money.
01:00:33
Holmesy
Louis, this one is from Crinny Winnie. Given not many rookie options to go for this week, already owned Cumming and Rhett, is the R3 Vicentini down to a red dot in play? This would allow a red dot loop, which he currently doesn't have as well. So Vicentini is dropping in cash each week. So i like it personally. don't know you have Vicentini. Is it something you've considered um to get off Vicentini at some point?
01:00:56
Lew
Yeah, it's something I've done actually already this week. So um sort of struggling for a loop each week and the fixturing hasn't really looked after me there. So yeah, I think I'm going to be taking that cash that's been sitting there for a good eight weeks now and finally putting in my chips.
01:01:14
Lew
Yeah, just with a couple of lack of rookie options and and hoping that that cash can come in handy. Probably not this week for me. I think I'm still going, oh might even be double downgrading, but yeah,
01:01:26
Lew
Certainly going to be using it as we go into the buys over the next couple of weeks and helping it sort of mold my side to to sort of navigate these buys.
01:01:35
Jon Harmey
God, your team must be in good shape, Lou, if you can afford to double downgrade this week.
01:01:41
Lew
Well, yeah, not really, but I'm kind of in the awkward upgrade zone where if I'm going to go for Cumming, who I think is the best cash generator this week, it sort of puts me in that 750k range where you know I'm shopping for a Rowan Marshall or something like that.
01:01:58
Lew
in fact, I'm about 10k shy. So um yeah, none of those...
01:02:03
Holmesy
been listening to Levin Too Much, Harmy. He's been the double downgrade. He's been listening to the team value philosophy.
01:02:08
Lew
I must be, but yeah, my my ears perked up when I heard Tom Brown.
01:02:09
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah.
01:02:12
Lew
I thought, oh, what's this little diamond in the rough?
01:02:13
Holmesy
but
01:02:14
Lew
I might i might have to represent Dossie here in the Dossie ranks and and chase something like that.
01:02:20
Jon Harmey
Yeah, we you could um bring in Myles Bergman and bank $150,000 for next week.
01:02:25
Lew
See, I'm not a big fan of Myles Bergman. The role isn't center bounce.
01:02:30
JORDAN D'SENA
Oh, no.
01:02:30
Lew
The role isn't kick-ins. The role is sort of just be a good defender, which I suppose he is, but it just feels like that's going to be a roller coaster and one that I've already gotten off and not not too keen to line up and get on again.
01:02:45
Holmesy
Jordy, I really like this option, so I'm a little bit biased, but I'll get your honest thoughts here. So this one is from Henza. Tom Sparrow averaging 94 since that dud score in round one where he didn't have the role.
01:02:59
Holmesy
Should we consider him as a serious option?
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01:03:02
Holmesy
I'm certainly interested. So i think he's got four tons out of his last six games. Plays for Melbourne, so has a ah good buy-around for our forwards. Priced at 86, little bit of meat on the bone if he keeps up his scoring.
01:03:14
Holmesy
Is there interest in a Tom Sparrow? We've seen Jack Steele come back to the pack. Sparrow's the one that's tackling and getting it done. I know some good coaches that are heavily considering it this week. What are your thoughts?
01:03:26
JORDAN D'SENA
Yeah, I think he you have to be interested in him. Like, as you said, Price at 86, going at 94. Can he do that for the year? That would put him in that sort of range.
01:03:37
JORDAN D'SENA
I'm just looking at these stats here. so last CBA 73% CBA. So that's the role that we want, um especially as a forward. And the season CBAs are at 60%. So we're trading into, you know, your Chad Warners and your McInerney. Yes, they're in a higher fantasy side, but he's actually getting more CBAs than those guys. And as you said, if Jack still is, you know, doing this tagging role or something different, I don't know what's happening there. um i mean, he's been, he's been massive. I think he has to be considered. Yeah.
01:04:09
JORDAN D'SENA
and I don't mind it.
01:04:09
Holmesy
Harmy?
01:04:13
Holmesy
You gonna talk Harmy? It's a podcast.
01:04:14
Holmesy
Any interest in Tom Sparrow?
01:04:14
Jon Harmey
Sorry, mate.
01:04:16
Jon Harmey
Oh, it's Tom Svaro. Oh, look, yeah, I've got him in a draft team. So I've actually been pretty impressed with what he's done and they got the Eagles this week, so he should put up another decent score. But he's starting to get out there in price, isn't he? um
01:04:29
JORDAN D'SENA
eighty six
01:04:30
Jon Harmey
But, yeah, but like he could, I mean, it could be a straight swap for Rochelle and is he's certainly getting far more CBAs than Rochelle, isn't he? So he's a forward who's playing in the midfield, which is what we try and look for in our forwards, isn't he? So...
01:04:46
Jon Harmey
I wouldn't discount it.
01:04:48
Holmesy
something I am looking at this week. Louis, this one is from Bontsville Wizard, good friends of the show. So he's doing the Caldwell to McCluggage trade.
01:04:59
Holmesy
But for his second option, he's looking at either Rochelle to Sparrow, Farrow to Bergman or cash in a rookie for next week. So what do you think there for his second trade?
01:05:10
Lew
I think if you're confident in Sparrow and that form continuing, that's probably the one that I would lean to. But keeping in mind, I think maybe if Rochelle can find some more midfield time, that that could be a little bit closer to like-for-like than sort of what I'd be hoping for. I'm not too interested in Farrow to Bergman. I think that's just um kicking a can down the road for a potential problem.
01:05:34
Lew
and Rookie for next week, I actually quite like to, as long as it's one that's going to be a decent pick. I'm i'm not sure what rookies you've sort of got kicking about, but that one i would be quite favorable in as well.
01:05:46
Lew
and just what What has happened to Jai Coldwell? he He's an absolute shell of a player.
01:05:51
Jon Harmey
Mm-hmm.
01:05:52
Lew
Wow.
01:05:54
Holmesy
Yeah, roll up roll up and down.
01:05:55
JORDAN D'SENA
You know, I had him as a top eight. I had him a top five mid in the preseason. That is a being a terrible call.
01:06:03
Holmesy
Yeah, Lotz did, to be fair.
01:06:05
JORDAN D'SENA
Hmm.
01:06:05
Holmesy
They thought it was going to be his midfield this year, Merritt moving out. you know What was Parrish going to look like? But you know they've just thrown him around, low time on ground. But what a fall from Grace, hey?
01:06:15
Holmesy
eighty eight Was it 80 points in that first half of round one against Hawthorne? Seriously tough matchup and has barely touched it since. So, yeah Maybe he's not happy with the coaching staff and you know his footy is reflecting that. I don't know. But yeah, he's almost lost too much cash now to really jump off. The damage is done. But yeah, I think you do have to... Going across to McCluggage, I think, is an easy swap. The one thing about Rochelle this week, plays Richmond. So you might not want to watch the footy on Sunday night. like it's it's It might be good long-term.
01:06:49
Holmesy
But there's every chance that he puts up a ceiling score in that matchup and and kind of burns you a little bit this week. But I do like Sparrow and something I'm looking at. Harmi, final question.
01:07:00
Holmesy
This one's from Hayman Jack from our Instagram page. Who comes out first? Just give me a one-word answer. Steele, Caleb Sorong or Windhager?
01:07:10
Jon Harmey
Windager,
01:07:12
Holmesy
And then bringing in two of McCluggage, Dale and Newman.
01:07:18
Jon Harmey
McCluggage and going to say Newman without much confidence.
01:07:31
Holmesy
Yeah, I think it's Newman too, although the Brisbane matchup this week at the Gabba is definitely a trickier matchup. So you might be buying into a bit more of a floor score this week, but then he has the dogs the week after, could easily match a ceiling score and then you're you're away in racing. So I think I'm that too.
01:07:48
Holmesy
I do like Dale, but i just I'm just a bit nervous that he's priced at 91 now, that's not cheap. He's been a 95 guy for the better part of two years. I'm just struggling to see what's changed. We've seen this from him in the past. But, boys, that is going to wrap us up.
01:08:01
Holmesy
As is tradition, Harmi, you are still the top-ranked coach on the pod. I i gave it to Jordy last week because I thought he was going to get over the top of you, but it didn't happen. So just give the listeners a quick closing thought before we wrap it up.
01:08:16
Jon Harmey
Oh, well, I guess probably just trust your gut and bring in the players that you want. Two weeks ago, i watched Hugh McCluggage play. i was spewing. I didn't bring him in.
01:08:28
Jon Harmey
Then this week, I watched Hugh McCluggage play. It was spewing. I didn't bring him in. This week, I'm sure I'll do the same bloody thing again. So i just, just um yeah, trust your gut.
01:08:40
Holmesy
I mean, Will Ashcroft is that guy for me, Harmi. He's quickly becoming unwatchable for me because the amount of times that he just pops up out of nowhere for those dinky little 15-meter kicks, you know, you three yeah three marks in the sort of back 50 within the space of five minutes, he just pops up and just, yeah, he's...
01:08:52
JORDAN D'SENA
He's missing points as well.
01:09:00
Holmesy
A hard watch is up there with Dacos. But yeah, i agree. Trust your gut. you know Pick value, but you know sometimes you've got to have fun in these games and it doesn't always come off. So got pick players that you like. But that will wrap us up. Make sure you are following us on X at PodPod AFL. I'm at HolmesiesHeroes.
01:09:16
Holmesy
Make sure you're subscribed to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your content. Jordy, Louis, thanks for being on. Louis, I hope we get you back again next week. It is normally this time of year where you go out on one of your bush adventures and we don't hear from you for a month.
01:09:30
Holmesy
So hoping to to still have you on next week, but we'll be back at the same time next week to do our round review and we will chat then.
01:09:31
Jon Harmey
ah
01:09:39
Holmesy
See you later.