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Joy & Justice with Steve and Kelly: Episode 3- Public Education in the Crosshairs: Vouchers, Legislation, and a Call to Action image

Joy & Justice with Steve and Kelly: Episode 3- Public Education in the Crosshairs: Vouchers, Legislation, and a Call to Action

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Joy and Justice: Exposing Arkansas' LEARNS Act and Project 2025

In this episode of 'Joy and Justice,' Kelly and Steve Grappe delve into the recent turmoil in Arkansas' public education system, particularly focusing on the controversial LEARNS Act and Project 2025. They discuss how public education funds are misused for private schools, vouchers, and even non-educational activities like horseback riding and jiu-jitsu. 

The hosts stress the importance of public awareness, urging the audience to get involved by contacting legislators, attending school board meetings, and spreading the word on social media. With insights on local and national education policies, this episode aims to inform and inspire action to protect the integrity of public education in Arkansas.

00:00 Introduction to Joy and Justice

00:31 Public Education Concerns in Arkansas

03:05 The LEARNS Act and Its Implications

06:04 Project 2025 and National Politics

10:48 Impact on Local Communities

17:06 Call to Action and Community Involvement

28:41 Conclusion and Future Plans

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Introduction to Joy and Justice Podcast

00:00:00
Speaker
Good morning, Arkansas. I'm Kelly Grapp here to bring you a little joy this morning, and I'm Steve Grapp, ready to serve up the justice. Welcome to joy and justice, and we're here to break down the headlines this morning that you need to know with insights to inform and perspectives that we hope will inspire you.
00:00:17
Speaker
You know, it's not just the news, it's the start of our day with purpose and connection. And from local to national, we've got you covered. So grab your coffee and let's dive into today's top stories. This is Joy. And this is Justice. Kelly, you woke up yesterday to some stuff and I think it started boiling your bones as the day went on. And then at five o'clock this morning, I woke up and as I always do, looked at my phone and the first thing that I see is some terrible news about how we're using public education dollars here in Arkansas. How we're using voucher dollars. Right. It is dollars that should be used for public education. Should be used for public education. That is not the world that we're living in right now.

Misuse of Public Education Funds in Arkansas

00:01:04
Speaker
And here's the thing, now it's dollars.
00:01:07
Speaker
And it's frustrating because what's tough in Arkansas and one of the reasons we're doing this podcast and others is it's hard to get the word out. It's hard to penetrate the message that's really happening out to the general public because we only hear what the media tells us or what the algorithms on your Facebook page, tag it here. And I talked to legislators. I talked to leaders in the state and say, hey, this is going on. And they have no idea.
00:01:34
Speaker
They're like what that's in there and it's not and I'm specifically talking about learns because it was 144 and a half pages long. Just a few days to read it. Yeah, that they set out to transform the education system in Arkansas and I think that's exactly what's happening right now.
00:01:50
Speaker
And I'm going to come back to Project 2025. And I want to plug, I've got a whole podcast on community conversations that explains what Project 2025 outlined that they were going to do with our education system. And during the election, Trump was just like, I'm staying

Project 2025 and Its Impact on Education

00:02:09
Speaker
away from that. That's not me. I don't know what Project 2025 is. I've never heard of him. And he's already put two or three of the authors on his cabinet. Right. This is happening.
00:02:18
Speaker
And I think Rose-colored glasses over here, I'm like, oh, it can't be that bad. We have protections in order. This is happening, y'all. And the protections are standing up right now. The Republican senators defied Trump this week on the whole gate Gates decision. So you're telling me to keep a little hope. Still have hope.
00:02:39
Speaker
Wait, did we just change roles here? The hopeful Steve? The angry Kelly? No, though I'm a believer. I don't have to be hopeful in this situation. I believe that our system will hold. I do

Hope and Belief Amidst Political Changes

00:02:54
Speaker
too. We have the greatest experiment of a system in the history of man and it's not going to drop because of Donald Trump. Yeah.
00:03:03
Speaker
The people still have a voice yes they do and in Arkansas. We have a voice that we need to raise that loud because let's talk about specifically the vouchers. That's what but you're really angry about. I think maybe we should start with a little history on this one. but So this all began with learns, right? We talked about this giant bill that went through a couple of years ago. OK.
00:03:23
Speaker
What we were going to do with the public education system was one of the hot topics of the governor's race. Chris Jones and the Democrats led that narrative.

LEARNS Act and Its Secretive Development

00:03:34
Speaker
But also the Democrats doubled down. They're the ones that first introduced the bill to make $50,000 minimum salaries. Right. There wasn't anything attached to it. Right. It wasn't all that. Oh, that raises a pulse. But it didn't have all these vouchers and all these other things that just muddied it all up. And now it's literally taking dollars away from our kids. But if you want to take some horseback riding.
00:03:58
Speaker
then you can do that and get public education dollars to take horseback riding. Are Gracie jiu-jitsu? Right. Like, I'm always Gracie fan. I mean, I'm an m MMA, UFC. I lived in the Quad Cities where they have big training facilities. I understand what this is. This is training your child to be m MMA fighters and protect themselves and all that stuff. But this is a sport. And and I love the sport. I'm not talking the sport. I would have loved Grace to do that. And it's very expensive. Right. And so now our public education dollars are being taken and paid directly to these companies, to these vendors.
00:04:37
Speaker
more than 40 of which are private individuals. Okay, so anyway, Chris Jones and the Democrats pushed this agenda. Higher teacher pay, pre-k school, putting money into the public education system. And then Governor Sanders and her campaign... And all of her wisdom... Said, I'm running for public education, except she would never give a plan. She never talked about what she was going to do until after she became governor.
00:05:05
Speaker
and then she called it the learns act but nobody knew what that meant she put a poster out in the fall and said these are that learns tenets and they it was an it was like el stood for something he stood for something whatever but and we still didn't know nothing and it was all done completely under the cover of darkness It was like a Sunday night. The Republicans had it. The Republican legislators were able to see it in advance, but they wouldn't let the Democratic legislators see it. They wouldn't let the

Project 2025's Educational Plans

00:05:35
Speaker
public see it. They wouldn't let teachers see it. They wouldn't let the media see it. They wouldn't let the voters see it. It certainly wasn't sourced from teachers or educators or people who understand this They kept this a tight secret and they dropped it in committee like on a Monday morning and by like within a few days,
00:05:53
Speaker
It had gone through committee and gone through both houses had and got signed into law. There are so many things in it. Oh, so this was all done. And I'm going to flash forward back. Now we get this Project 2025 plan that comes out, which is the Heritage Foundation, which is a bunch of people that worked for Trump in the first administration in the 2016 administration and that far I'm not even going to call it right-wing rep Republican because it's not. I respect Republicans. I don't respect the MAGA. But they got together and made a plan for when we take back the office, we're going to radically change government. We're going to rip the Constitution up. We're going to change everything.
00:06:41
Speaker
And JD Vance wrote the forward to this plan, by the way.

Impact of Vouchers on Public Education

00:06:45
Speaker
And during the campaign, it became a focal point. And of course, people went nuts because it's eliminate the Department of Education, like go from a seven base tax system down to a two base, which is really going to hurt the working class and the working poor. And people are like, that can't really happen. And trump's like and things like.
00:07:04
Speaker
teaching Bible in public schools. Oh, just complete overreach in all of it. Yes. And Trump goes, that's silly. I don't have anything to do that. I don't even know those people. Like, why would I want to do all that? And literally in the first two weeks after he was staying president, like three of the authors of that project, 25, have been placed in major leadership positions like cabinet positions.
00:07:30
Speaker
I'm sorry, I just can't get past this. Some people call it a cabinet and some people call it a junk drawer. Sorry. That's pretty funny. Teresa Danaway sent me that meme and I'm like, oh man. As they kept coming in. And we're going to focus on education. We could talk about the cabinet picks. So that's maybe tomorrow we'll talk about that. I'm squirrely this morning. But here's the thing.
00:07:53
Speaker
all the things that were in that project 2025 were cut and paste into our LEARNS Act. right You can tell that it was written by multiple people and it was cut and paste from some from Arizona, some from Florida, some from ma huma all these different places.
00:08:08
Speaker
And then they just dumped it out there and passed it and didn't know how to fund it. They didn't know how to run it. And it is a mess. And this voucher program is a mess. And it's unfair. Private schools don't have a mandate on community service to graduate. But if you're public school, you have to.
00:08:28
Speaker
And they're literally trying to defund. And a little bit of education on it, the Lakeview case, in the early 2000s. And Lakeview, tell me where Lakeview is. Give me a little bit of that. Okay, Lakeview is in the Delta, toward southeast Arkansas.
00:08:44
Speaker
be in Phillips County. it's over that one It's right over by West Helena. Anyway, after 2004, which is when the Supreme Court said that the number one priority of the Arkansas government was to fully fund public education first.
00:09:01
Speaker
That was what the Supreme Court said our Constitution says. That's what the responsibility was. Before you built roads, before you paid the governor's salary, before you did anything, you were to fund public education equitably across the state of Arkansas.

Shift in Education Funding and Economic Disparities

00:09:16
Speaker
Okay. And the Arkansas, we started putting money into the public education system and by 2011 or so, we were like top 10 education systems in the country. Wow.
00:09:30
Speaker
The administration flipped. We lost BB. The Democrats lost the House. The Democrats lost the Senate in Arkansas. And they ushered in a whole new philosophy. And that focus on public education went away. And it became a focus on the private sector.
00:09:48
Speaker
And most of these legislators have kids in private schools. right And they know how hard it is on them to have to pay that private school. And it just eats their gut that they're still paying taxes for those failing public schools that those minorities go to. And I have to pay for my kid to go to Little Rock, whatever academy. Which nothing against private schools.
00:10:12
Speaker
our daughter spent a year in private school. I'm not this has nothing to do. I want our private schools to keep thriving. But here's the thing. We do have some great private schools in Arkansas. But we've got some very bad private schools. so Yes, we do. And we have some exceptional public schools in Arkansas. And we have some bad public schools in Arkansas. But we need to put the money in resources and research into making them better. It's crazy to think that we are gonna make the public education system better by taking money out. And calling it terrible? That math ain't mathin'.
00:10:49
Speaker
There was a shift. So it now comes along Project 2025. And one of the tenets of Project 2025 is to eliminate the Department of Education all together. They think that when the federal dollars are attached to the schools, now the federal government has too much influence on indoctrinating the kids and all that stuff. But these programs are like to put food in their bellies, to have Head Start programs, to have getting kids into school, helping kids in poverty.
00:11:18
Speaker
but they want to do away with all federal funding altogether and push it back to the states. The problem is here in this the LEARNS Act they want to eliminate the State Department of Education and it's happening. So then who's in charge Steve? Oklahoma has already said it out loud. If they do it who's in charge? Here's what I think the big plan is. They want to push it back to local control to be completely responsible for educating the students of Rosebud.
00:11:45
Speaker
And that sounds cool in theory if you're in a rich white

Micro Schools and Rural Education Challenges

00:11:49
Speaker
suburb. Right. With lots of resources. With lots of resources. With so many people and houses on top of each other and it's all on property taxes that you can have swimming pools and hot tubs in the locker rooms and go hire have that here professional coaches and have stadiums that have AstroTurf and like It's out of control the disparity between the different schools based on your zip code. And can I tell you what I feel like is scary in our rural communities in particular is that you know what we are seeing right now is these vendors who are approved to be able to take this money and it's really targeted at homeschoolers and again I have nothing against homeschooling. I think it's great for some children and some families.
00:12:40
Speaker
But this incentivizes parents to unplug their kids from the public education system and put them into an educational system that, I mean, these parents are not educators, right? But what I believe is happening is if I'm a parent here in Rosebud,
00:12:58
Speaker
And I can take $7,000 a year and use it to teach my kid how to ride horses and jiu-jitsu and to pay my friend who has a basement. Right? No, doesn't even have to be certified. No, you have to be on this vendor list.
00:13:14
Speaker
Oh, got certified to get their money. There's over 40 individuals who are approved to get money through this Learn's voucher and program. And I will tell you, I haven't done research to find out who those individuals are and what is. But if this is like a person having a basement where they bring seven or eight different homeschool kids together so that she can make $40,000 a year in her home to teach her Sunday school class as kids. And then take some of that money to equine training and some of that money to like... If that's what's happening, it's broken because it's not about homeschooling anymore. It's about setting up your own micro school, which is what's happening. And they think that's what should happen as the micro schools. But
00:13:58
Speaker
let You have these micro schools where kids are going to Gracie jujitsu and Parkland whatever one school or something. And yet we have the public school kids and they're cutting their extracurricular programs from the public school to pay for those things. It is so wrong. Wrong.
00:14:20
Speaker
So anyway, call your legislator. So how you said, what are they trying to do? So if everything is based on the property tax and they say, oh, your local community has to pay for it. How do we pay for a school in Rosebud?
00:14:34
Speaker
that has 823 students the last time I looked. From a town that has 491, that has property taxes that are the lowest in the state because it's such a poor area in the state, where does the money come from to have a school where we have to pay the teachers $50,000? You've got to pay the bus drivers. Yeah, because you have to provide the transportation that the private schools don't. and now they're consolidating so the buses you know you these kids having all these things that you have to pay for you have to pay for special education you have to pay for you have to pay for the facilities

Viability of Independent Education Programs

00:15:09
Speaker
and food and all the things that these private schools don't have to pay for and you're literally going to take the tax money out of the public school and they have no
00:15:21
Speaker
like Accountability. They don't have to pay $50,000 to their teachers. They can literally say, you can't come to our school because... We don't like you. We don't like you. I mean, we had to go through this intense to get Grace into the private school for the one year that I put her in private school. And I felt like I was on like trial and I had to go sell myself and dress the right way and make sure that they knew my child was perfect. And they're worried about indoctrination.
00:15:50
Speaker
it It's heartbreaking. okay So just in case people aren't familiar. Anyway, what's going to happen is the Rosebud school is going to go under because they're going to just have to start sending all the money over there to equipment. So all the kids, not just in Rosebud, because sending our a bus drive to equipment is not a big deal from Rosebud. And that's a great school. equipment is Rosebud's a good school.
00:16:12
Speaker
But it's the problem of the kids that are in Joy Mountain right that are already riding 30 minutes to get to Rosebud. And now you're going to send them another 30 minutes to equipment. Or you're going to send them all the way over to Sarsi. You only have to get about 10 students.
00:16:28
Speaker
to pay your teacher's salary and benefits. that That's my estimation, rough math off the top of my head. So if I'm a teacher, I'm saying I can go find 10 students correct and I can start my own program in the house. Correct. Correct. Right. Because if you, if you have 15 now you're, you're making money. And then nobody's breathing down my throat about school test scores and all the other things.

Community Involvement in Education Policy Changes

00:16:54
Speaker
No, you get to, um we're going to go to the equine school today. We're going to go do jujitsu training. we' I mean, this is bad, Kelly. yeah It's the habs and habs. This is just not how the system was supposed to work. So let's flash forward to today.
00:17:08
Speaker
These things, we it sounds like we're joking about, are actual things. Go to Stand Up Arkansas on Facebook. We put these things out there. You can look and see the list that came out this week of all the vendors that can use the LEARNS Act money. And here's where I know we've turned the corner.
00:17:31
Speaker
Because you see these stickers on stores that says, we accept WIC. WIC. We accept food stamps. We accept whatever. Now these like Gracie Jiu-Jitsu or this equine school. And they're doing boosted Facebook posts. We now proudly accept the learns act. It's like you can use your credit card with us. You know what? Maybe we should start a ah class that we charge for and get approved.
00:17:59
Speaker
yeah I know you're being sarcastic, but there is lots and lots of talk in the far left communities that I've heard and even even the moderate left communities that have said maybe we just go reinvent the our local schools and maybe create micro schools that's run by a school board.
00:18:18
Speaker
You know what I'm so scared of though, is that right now everybody is off in their corners and we're only talking to the people that are like us. The public education system is the place where there is diversity in social and racial and socio-economic, religious, total. It is the place where there is equal across the students. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to be. yeah And it if you take that away, and right now that's what's happening. We're all the people on the left are saying, I'm going to go to blue sky and everybody's just going to

Oklahoma's Alignment with Project 2025

00:19:00
Speaker
their own corner. So now we're going to take public education and we're going to divide that and we're going to take away the one platform where everyone is given the same opportunity or should be. I will tell you one thing that we are going to do because they are forcing this and Oklahoma, their Department of Education has made a couple of moves in the last couple of weeks. They've said that they're going to eliminate the Department of Education. They've said we're lining up with that project 2025. They literally named Linda McMahon
00:19:33
Speaker
yeah Trump, right? This is named McMahon as a Secretary of Education. This is a billionaire world wrestling, whatever, WWF or something executive.
00:19:48
Speaker
The reason she was put there was to dismantle it. You have these big business corporations that buy corporations so they can break them up. She's a breakup artist. They're bringing her in to tear down the department education. He's running this like an M&A department. Correct. And he's running it. And not taking people, real people into consideration because those corporations literally make decisions like you don't We take a emotion out of it. If 50 people die, 50 people die. We look for what's best for the whole. right He said it out loud. Exactly.

Concerns Over Religious Curriculum in Schools

00:20:21
Speaker
So we had Oklahoma and not only did they say that they are doing away with the Department of Education, they literally just put a bid out for Bibles to to supply to all the public schools. The state put out a bid contract to buy Bibles to distribute.
00:20:41
Speaker
and Where is it that there's supposed to be separation of church and state? We have some governors. Governor Sanders is one of them. The governor of Oklahoma is one of them. The governor of Florida is one of them. The governor of Texas is one of them because we had it in Texas. What was the ruling in Texas this week? Something about private school. No, it's Bible based curriculum in Texas, right? Oh yeah, so they're literally going to start teaching K-35. They're going to start teaching the Bible and now they're all being questioned. Okay, have you validated the facts that you're teaching about the creation of earth? And I laugh because I am a Christian and I think it's wrong. They're saying I am going to go indoctrinate with Christian principles and what it makes kids that don't have Christmas because they're Jewish or because they're I even get scared, not even on the big differences, but I'm a Methodist. And like right now, I feel like some of my Baptist friends, like, we are ideologically so different. So what if our two kids were like, which curriculum do we choose? Do we choose the Methodist curriculum or the Baptist curriculum? And right now, the fundamental... And in Rosebud, it's a Baptist curriculum.
00:21:52
Speaker
In North Little Rock, it might be Methodist. Or Assembly of God. Or Assembly of God. How do we decide those things if we allow that into our system?

Call to Action Against Education Policy Changes

00:22:04
Speaker
And then heaven forbid somebody's Jewish or Muslim or atheist. Heaven forbid.
00:22:11
Speaker
like
00:22:13
Speaker
It's wrong. and But anyway, they're all out trying to be the leader in this. Like, we're the ones that can do it the fastest. We're showing our acumen to the MAGA policies or whatever. And if you don't think they're not going to try to eliminate the Department of Education in Arkansas, your bladders are on. We've been talking about what these vouchers would do. We warned that they were going to use this for horseback riding lessons. It was a joke, babe. It wasn't a joke to me.
00:22:41
Speaker
I thought, oh, that's never going to happen. Rose colored glasses. Kelly Joy. Here's the joy. We've got to stand up, y'all. It is time. Yep. And we need you to call your legislator. Like now. get Go find out who you can scream from the mountaintops. Share this on your social media. Tell people what's going on. People don't know until it's too late. There's a full list of vendors if you go to either the stand up Facebook page or the Arkansas for direct democracy page. There's a post there that has some pictures of a few of the vendors and then in the comments there's a full list of the vendors. Just go look at it and share because right now we tried to run the referendum a couple of years ago. We.
00:23:25
Speaker
ran the learns act or the for our kids initiative this past summer. We, for a number of reasons, haven't been successful in those efforts yet. But the biggest reason that we weren't successful is the education of the public. And so right now, it is critical that we talk about this.
00:23:47
Speaker
and talk about it with people who you think might disagree with you because what we're finding is that somebody we think is on one side of this argument once we start to educate them about the real impacts and now this like horseback riding really It matters. So this time, call your legislators, talk to your friends, talk to your circle, get loud about this. It is not okay. It's 55,000 Bibles that Oklahoma is looking for, but they have a patriotic inserts. Oh. You know what my biggest problem with it is? What?
00:24:22
Speaker
It's the King James version of the Bible, which isn't even a direct translation of the Greek and Hebrew that was written. And whose judgment call is that? That's my point. Who gets to make that judgment call? Like, there are significant things that you can... A Bible translation changes a whole direction. John 1.1 in most Bibles says, ah in the beginning was the Word was with God, the Word was God. but One word changes the whole thing. And in the Mormon version of that, it says in the beginning was the word was with God. The word was a God changes the whole interpretation.

Engagement with School Boards and Local Politics

00:25:06
Speaker
So which one of those do we choose? And what gets taught in the school? If I'm sending my child to school that there is one God and only one God, and they're getting a Bible handed to him that says that it's a God. My kids coming home going, is Zeus real?
00:25:22
Speaker
Like I'm worried about that type of thing. We have to be ready. We have to get loud now. And I'm going to make one more call to action on this because school boards right now in Arkansas, the school boards have the power. So we have to use our voice with our school board members. And this is probably for another conversation. We won't have time today, but I know there was a big meeting this week in Little Rock and There are ways that we can use our voice. Go to your school board meetings, talk to your school board representatives, make sure that we aren't allowing this BS to get into our system today because we do have this system in place.
00:26:07
Speaker
We're ready to start training people now. We're ready to start getting people involved in leadership. We're ready to start identifying people to run for a school board in your local area or for municipal races in your local area or for quorum court in your local area.

Bipartisan Support for Public Education

00:26:22
Speaker
Start looking or asking yourself, is that something I could do? We've got a two-year landing strip on this. So if you've ever thought about running for office, please reach out to Stand Up Arkansas. yeah It's standuparkansasatgmail.com. It's very easy to remember. Tell your friends, we will get you plugged into the right place. And I don't care if you're a Democrat or an independent or what we call the optionals. because in Arkansas, like somewhere around 7% of the people are registered Republicans, about 4.5% are registered Democrats, and 87.5% are literally, they mark the optional box. I am an optional, and I don't know how that happened. i'm like I mean, I've been a Democrat my whole life. I didn't never put optional on my piece of paper. Right. So we need to be reaching across the lines. And if you are a moderate Republican looking to run, I'm not
00:27:15
Speaker
against you, I'll help you. You're a public school advocate, then we want to talk. That's right.

Continued Activism and Leadership in Education

00:27:20
Speaker
As long as you're against the voucher system, about equal justice for everybody, as long as we're on the same values, I don't care what letters beside your name because we may need you to primary these bar MAGA Republicans. And, y'all, there is a battle for the Republican Party in Arkansas right now. And I'm lining up with the old school Republicans. That doesn't make me a Republican. I want there to be a Republican Party and a Democratic Party, because if there's not a Republican and Democratic Party, there's there's going to be a far right Republican Party and a far left Republican Party. And we're going to split back on ideological lines anyway. Let's not do that, y'all. Let's not we let the far MAGA
00:27:59
Speaker
people coming in and take over. Get behind your moderate Republicans. Understand the difference. Right. And really talk to the people about what their values are and then let's go find the leaders and then let's try to find ways to get them elected. and Like that is the bottom line. And if you feel defeated about this election, do not allow that to stop you.
00:28:21
Speaker
because we have to get up and fight right now. Right now is the time. Sometimes you're going to have to rest too, but let the defeat fuel you. I am exhausted right now from the last three years, exhausted. And I know a whole bunch of people who are, but this is just getting started y'all. This is a marathon, not a sprint. Yep.
00:28:41
Speaker
Okay y'all this is a show we'll just tell you last weekend we recorded a big long show that I i have almost I have it almost ready to get the first part out and it just introduces you to me and Kelly and the idea of this joy and justice show so We really are going to have the cart ahead of the horse on this one. So if you hear this, you might hear this before you hear the introduction. We're going to do

Conclusion and Community Engagement Call

00:29:07
Speaker
this at least every Saturday morning and we're going to try to give you 23 minutes. I think is what we need so we can help give you what's going on today. We had to get to you about education. is a or know Please share.
00:29:20
Speaker
this, please go to social media, go look up these vendors, share and call your legislators, get involved, go to your school board meetings. We cannot allow this to happen.
00:29:31
Speaker
And we want to hear your voice. Give us feedback. back Tell us what you want to talk about. We're going to try to do this show regularly, Joy and Justice. And we'd love to talk to other people on the show, but we want to give you an opportunity to just get clips as quickly as possible without having to dig through and decide it's at a Fox News angle or an MSNBC angle or no angle at all, because it's mostly about local stuff. Right. And we might talk about chickens sometimes.
00:29:57
Speaker
We may, that's your joy side of it. That's my joy side. And if they listen to the the first one, there's a whole breakdown of a metaphor between politics and chickens. Yeah. that goes So y'all my name is Steve and I'm Kelly and this is joy and justice. We got to work out that kind of thing. We'll get you a good outro and and music and all that stuff. Happy Saturday morning. Let's get to work y'all. Yep. Thanks for being with us.