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Summerslam Instant Reactions
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We are joined by the OG Fig Kid to give instant reactions to Summerslam 2025 and go match by match on one of the biggest shows of the year.
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Introduction and SummerSlam Overview
00:00:01
Speaker
Welcome the Chick-fil-A show. are
00:00:22
Speaker
What is up, Foley fam listeners? We are back. It is about 35 minutes since the lights went down on SummerSlam 2025, the first two-night SummerSlam. What a freaking show.
00:00:33
Speaker
We're going to give our instant reactions. First, let me introduce the star of the show, Sheena. How are you doing? I'm still a little bit mind blown to be quite honest with you. Like I just, the, the end of SummerSlam tonight, just, it it was incredible. Brock Lesnar coming back. I had to, it took a moment for me to process. I heard that guitar riff and I, it didn't even sink in what was actually happening. And then it went to the Jumbotron and it was, or the Titan Tron. And it was just like, you know,
00:00:58
Speaker
Brock Lesnar. True markout moment, for
Guest Appearance by Thomas Montalto
00:01:00
Speaker
sure. Yeah, so we're going to ditch the normal format of the show. um We're not going to get all the the normal segments and beats you're used to on the Chick-fil-A show. We're literally just going to dive right into SummerSlam, start going match by match. But we have a very, very special guest on the line. He's been on the Chick-fil-A show before, the OG fig kid, Thomas Montalto. Tom, what's going on, dude?
00:01:20
Speaker
Just soaking in the first two-night SummerSlam here in New Jersey, and it was amazing, so... Were you guys ah tempted to to pull the trigger, man? Were you scoping out last-minute tickets today, or was it just freaking too much, and this card wasn't moving you to to to make a move to get into the building? You know I really liked the card. I had no issue with the card, but I hate stadium shows. like It just takes forever to get out of there.
00:01:45
Speaker
so yeah like i have my TV. I didn't want to leave my wife, so we just enjoyed it at home, made some special snacks. and we We went to the Superstore the other day. We went to WrestleCon, so I got my taste of being at the events.
00:01:56
Speaker
That's cool. Yeah. I'm with you. Those stadium shows. You're right. It is a whole, you really got to plan out how you're getting there, how you're getting out. It's, it's, it's a whole day thing, dude. It's an adventure, man. If you've ever been to a WrestleMania, a big SummerSlam, it's, uh, yeah, it, there, there's a lot of headaches and hassle that go along with enjoying those moments live and in person.
00:02:15
Speaker
Yeah. ah Tom, get your plugs out, dude. Oh, so the Fig Guys every Tuesday night, 7 p.m. We're talking all things wrestling figures. Me and Mike Belcaster streaming live on YouTube. You can listen to us on the podcast. And if you want all of our links, just go to thefigguys.com. Everything's there.
00:02:33
Speaker
Yeah, Tom and Mike Belcast are again, long time Foley fan members, man. Very good friends of the show. ah You know, if you're looking for and an awesome wrap up with some really, really detailed like historical figure references, go with these guys, man. Like they're going to give you the news, but they also put everything in a nice historical context to, you know, let you know exactly how significant some of these figures that we're getting nowadays are.
Remembering Hulk Hogan
00:02:58
Speaker
Shane, very quickly before we dive into SummerSlam. So we got to address it, man. We're going to go long form on Pod Warriors here in a couple of weeks. But this is the first time we've recorded a proper Chick-fil-A show episode since the legendary Immortal Hulk Hogan passed away. You know, I'm sitting here in our home office, you know, three feet away. i have a giant...
00:03:17
Speaker
a piece of just beautiful artwork that extra cooler did for us, um, with Hulk Hogan and WrestleMania six, right before, uh, Hulk Hogan, ultimate warrior at WrestleMania six, right for the bell rings on their classic match. you know, I got three or four Hulk figures on display here.
00:03:31
Speaker
Um, He's just been such a presence in my life, man, for yeah literally as long as I can remember. I think he's the first celebrity that I like identified with and was like a fan of.
00:03:41
Speaker
um But you know they're not here to listen to me. They're here to listen to you, Shane. Give us just your thoughts on the passing of Hulk Hogan. I mean, obviously anybody, you know, past the age of 70, you know, it's it's hard to be like, ah like shocked if somebody passes away. Right. I mean, that's, it's a, it's a long life nowadays. um But was amor Hulk was the immortal. And I feel like he just felt larger than life. And he's, he's been somebody that's been there since I've been born. Right. It's like, it's like that person that, you know, he's just been there since day one. Right. Like since I have a, a,
00:04:13
Speaker
Always been in the public eye. Always been in the public eye. Ever since I have a memory of wrestling, like Hulk Hogan was like that first memory of wrestling. My dad was a huge Hulk Hogan fan, um which kind of brought me into the fold. And it's really just, it's stunning more than anything else, just to think that he's no longer here with us, you know The thing about it is like, you know, for me, it was Hulk Hogan and Michael Jordan, right? That was my like two celebrities when i was a kid.
00:04:35
Speaker
And MJ, since he retired, he's kept such a low profile. right You know what i mean? Like it's always it's always a big deal when you do see MJ kind of pub like pop up in a public way because he's lived a very, very private life since he left. But I feel like Hulk has just always been there, dude. In some form or another, he's always been around. He's always been there and he's always his presence is always larger than life, dude. I feel like you could you could see MJ or get like a paparazzi photo of MJ or like have it like an interview with MJ. And it's super casual, right? Like he can just be himself. He's not like the the greatest of all time basketball player. Right.
00:05:05
Speaker
Hulk Hogan was living the gimmick every day of his life, you know, and that that energy just flowed out of him no matter where he was, how old he was. And, um you know, to just see him like or just for him not to be here anymore is just, ah you know, it's a it's a weird feeling, honestly. Yeah, definitely is, man.
00:05:24
Speaker
Tom, dude, we'll we'll let you get your spin on it, man, before we we did it get into SummerSlam. Best Hulk Hogan figure of all time. How do you not go the LJN, the original Hulk LJN? Yeah, it's it's so such a figure. it means so much to so many people. And it's what started what we all love today.
00:05:41
Speaker
So, yeah, I agree, man. I think there there's definitely a case like there's there's Hulk figures that I personally like better. But I feel like that LJN Hulk, like there's a case to be made that it's the best wrestling figure ever. And probably, you know, it may be on the Mount Rushmore of just action figures in general, dude, if we're really trying to.
00:05:59
Speaker
Trying to place it, man. I think it's definitely one of the most recognizable action figures. Like, you know you know, I feel like people who aren't even wrestling fans. Yeah, you know that Hulk with the crouched over look, dude, the big rubber figure. Dude, what? Obviously, they there's no way they could have freaking foresaw like this. But, dude, what freaking of a goldmine timing it was for Mattel to bring back the LJNs and have ah the redo of Hulk.
00:06:22
Speaker
yeah in that first version. Dude, that redo, it looks even better than the original, man. It's still like true to the original, but just like enough little like subtle upgrades, man. Like that thing is beautiful. Dude, it got covered on TMZ. Like, what advertising for Mattel? And it goes back on sale last night and was gone in like three minutes. Everybody sold out within like five minutes.
00:06:42
Speaker
What a boost. But, I mean, I love it because I love LJNs. I was an LJN kid. I was in the store the first day they came out. Like, calling the store every day as a nine-year-old. Do you have the new WWF wrestling figures in yet?
00:06:54
Speaker
So, you know, I'm thrilled. But, yeah, they're doing. I'm so glad have to see how popular the line is so far. So, we'll see. I know they won't do it because there's money to be made. I feel like it would absolutely be just a beautiful tribute if they drop that LJ and re-release and there's just no more Hulk figures after that, man.
00:07:11
Speaker
Like, they just cut it off. You know, that that's the last ever Hulk. I think that'd be pretty cool, but obviously they're they're not going to do that. is there anything Is there anything in Hulk form that we haven't got that you feel like is ah is a...
00:07:22
Speaker
need in the collection dude i feel like they've covered it all man uh suburban commando i feel like i feel like a suburban commando hulk like that fit weve because of dude obviously the movie's kind of cheesy but dude tell me like a shep ramsey figure would not be so freaking cool tom I mean, I was thinking Pasta Mania Hulk. How do we not have a Pasta Mania Hulk? Pasta Mania Hulk. Pasta Mania, yeah. Yeah, to me, I keep going back Suburban Commando. It's shocking to me that that's never been done as like a Funko Pop or anything because, you know, there's there's enough nostalgia around that movie nowadays that that it would work. i mean, we got No Holds Barred Hulk before we got Suburban Commando Hulk.
00:07:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But as far as actual wrestling looks, I don't know. i think I think they pretty much got them all, dude. I mean, if they didn't, leading into the 40th anniversary last year with all the Hogan figures, we got the Guitar Hulk from the Wrestling album and all that stuff. so I know. i mean I remember, you know, i feel bad now, but I remember complaining about all those Hulks that were coming out. I was like, come on, dude. Yeah, we said last year San Diego Comic-Con was Oops All Hogan's. Yeah. I think that was San Diego Comic-Con 2023. Yeah. There was that brief period in WCW where I think it was when he was doing ah Three Ninjas, like part three, where he had like the hair plugs and you like the little spiked hair. It was like super thin, but it was like spiked up hair. looked like little Bermuda grass. Like, I think maybe, yeah honestly, I'm just like, that's the only look I can think of that hasn't really been done, man.
00:08:42
Speaker
I don't know what you taught me. Tell me, dude, you're, you're, you're big Hulk fan, man. Is there any other Hulk wrestling looks that haven't been done yet by Mattel? I can't think of any. We've gotten so many. I have them all. So if they keep releasing them, I'll keep buying them. think it's just spiky hair.
00:08:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
Cardi B and SummerSlam Highlights
00:08:59
Speaker
Yeah. All right. ah You guys ready to get into SummerSlam? Yeah. Let's go. right. So we'll start off. First off, man, the show started at freaking 6 Eastern, 5 Central. I i like that. I'm putting my praise hands up, dude. That is for me all day, every day.
00:09:14
Speaker
I love the daytime stadium wrestling. and That's one cool thing when you get it. What did you guys think of the overall look of the stadium and the set? think it looks good. i love I love an outdoor show like that. I did not like the stage. It looked like it wasn't put together. Like the screens, it looked weird to me. like They could have done that better, I thought. But I love outdoor wrestling too.
00:09:35
Speaker
My biggest complaint is the show started too soon because I love it outdoor wrestling at night. like Can you imagine that Wyatt entrance at night? like Come on. See, I like, I don't know, man. I like the daytime. I do like the sunset. I like experiencing the sunset at night. I feel like maybe this one started just a little too early. made I like to see like, you know, the co-main events going down in like dusk, dude, you know, but um but yeah, you're always going to have a couple of people that like, i you know, we were at WrestleMania 31. I always go back to Sting, dude. Sting's entrance would have hit so much better if you had some dusk or it was dark out, you know. Sting's entrance in the, in you know, super bright daylight was a little bit weird. It would be like doing an Undertaker entrance during the day. like
00:10:17
Speaker
but We've seen an Undertaker entrance during the day. was just starting to go down at 31 when it came out. yeah It still looked all right. You said they had to up the smoke. you know They didn' put the smoke machine on like level 15. They put a lot of smoke out there. um Yeah, I thought Stan looked all right. Sheen, how about Cardi B as the host?
00:10:31
Speaker
Oh, my So for... For a minute, I was confused. I thought maybe she had fallen off and wasn't doing it anymore. And they had run all those SummerSlam commercials with her. Yeah, I felt like they'd faded that big time in the last couple weeks, though. Maybe they weren't sure if she's actually going to show up or not, dude. I feel like, yeah, months ago it was all Cardi B, but feel like I hadn't heard about Cardi B for a couple weeks before. prior to the show. think maybe, maybe they bit off more than they can chew. Cause they had her reading off of it, like a teleprompter down there. mean, cause she was looking at something. don't if a teleprompter or somebody with some poster boards or what, but she was, she was reading off of something as she was talking. And I was, the longer she went and the more that she talked, I was just like, Oh my God, my cringe meter just kept crawling. She brought it. she brought the energy and I appreciate it, but it was just like, was just waiting for her to say something unhinged. You know what I mean? Like I was just waiting for it to just go a little bit too far. But yeah, she did bring the energy. She was hyped to be there.
00:11:24
Speaker
That's just who she is as a person and ah in an artist, you know. So I'm not, i'm not you know, bagging on her. But it was just weird for, I thought it was a little bit weird for kickoff SummerSlam. But did she get canned? Because she wasn't around for night two. And wasn't she supposed to host the whole thing? She was in the audience, I think. They showed her in the audience. I've seen her in the audience.
00:11:41
Speaker
Unless I'm just hallucinating. I think they did her in the audience tonight. yeah I feel like they missed an opportunity. I feel like a little run-in during um the Jelly Roll match would have hit, dude. like if you want If you want to have Randy Orton and Jelly Roll go over, have Cardi B come in with the assist, man. like ah cause I thought she was fun, man.
00:12:00
Speaker
I think she spent about five minutes prepping for this because yeah she was 100% reading everything that she said, but you know she' still she brought the energy, dude. It was fun. It it was... She felt like she was happy to be there, dude. Yeah, I know you said it was cringe. I thought it was funny bad, not cringe bad to me, man. Yeah, maybe maybe I was a little too hard on it. All right, let's go to the opening match.
00:12:19
Speaker
Tag, we had the the bronze, bronze breaker, Bronson Reed, the Heyman gang going up against Roman Reigns and Jey Uso. Man, Roman took a beating. He put them guys over. know Yeah, he he took ah he took a bullet for Jey, dude. you know he's ah He's paying back Jey for all of the... ah you know all of the stuff that he put him through over the last four or five years.
00:12:41
Speaker
I thought this was Roman Reigns reminding everybody that he is the Alpha and Omega at WWE, man. hit the Hit the suicide dive. That's the first time he's done that move since Crown Jewel 2021. So it's been almost four years since he busted that out. And dude, that guy freaking flew, man. Like, dude. Oh, yeah. Roman's no spring chicken anymore, man. He is not a spring chicken anymore at all, dude.
00:13:00
Speaker
He went flying over that top rope. He overshot them. Yeah. Hit a Superman punch up on the top rope. He was like three feet above the top rope. Dude was bouncing all over the ring, man. um And the cool thing is, yeah still yeah, still looks as good as he ever looked in his career.
00:13:14
Speaker
And now we have Seth as the champ on one brand and Cody as the champ on the other. So, dude, he's got two guys. He can put his crosshairs on. I'm thinking we're going to see a big push for Roman on the ah the road to WrestleMania. But, oh. Otherwise, you know, fun, classic SummerSlam tag match.
00:13:27
Speaker
It went on for a while, you know. I feel like maybe you could say, so full disclosure, we're going straight like Dave Meltzer wrestling critic mode on this, right? We're we're breaking kayfabe. We're just going to kind of break down these two shows um from the hardcore, smart perspective. I thought maybe this went about five minutes too long. It felt like they just like really needed to fill some time.
00:13:45
Speaker
yeah But Roman just stood out like crazy to me on this, man. I thought it was a really impressive showing for Roman. It was. it To me, the the strangest thing was that to see Roman opening a show like that's just not something that I just is a familiar feeling for me over the past, you know, several many, many, many years. He's closed the last the last five Summer Slams have been closed with Roman Reigns. Exactly. So to see him open the show was a little was a little jarring. But, ah you know, cool, cool spot for him, I think, on this card, all things considered.
00:14:14
Speaker
Like I said, it to me, he he put his hair down. He just seemed like he was having fun out there. Like, it was so good. I enjoyed it. When they were like running back Jay's music and stuff. I thought, yeah, I think he's like, you know, he's loosening up a little bit.
00:14:26
Speaker
It was good. I thought I put him in a good light, and I can't wait to see what they do next with him. And people are cheering Roman Reigns, dude. Roman Reigns is over like Rover, man. Yeah, the thing about that epic rain that he had, it's all gravy from here out. We know he's never going to do something like that again, right? So now, yeah, he's just in fun mode, man. He kind of just do what he wants, pick his spots, because the pressure's off, dude. He literally delivered...
00:14:53
Speaker
I mean, you know, to bring it back up, he delivered what Hulk did back in the 80s, man. That kind of run. It hasn't been seen since then. um So now he's just in fun mode. You know, he's he's taking victory laps at this point with everything he's doing, man. And like I said, me and Jordan talked about this a couple weeks back, man. I think fans just really to appreciate Roman because he's an extremely private person.
00:15:12
Speaker
Everything we see and hear about Roman is that like he's a super balanced guy. He's all about his family. I don't think he's going to be a Chris Jericho man. That's, you know, a Christian edge that's hanging around into his fifties and stuff, man. I think, I think Roman one day is, you know he's already a part-timer obviously. And I think one, you know, one day sooner rather later, Roman's just going to kind of fade off in the sunset and that's going to be it, man.
00:15:34
Speaker
Yeah, and I worry. Like seeing him that's talking about that suicide dive and him crashing like that. I like wonder if that's good for his bones with the leukemia. looking up Those things are not good for anyone's bones. to me if you there's There's no way any.
00:15:48
Speaker
Would you say he's bruising them? Say he takes a bruise to the bone and it has to heal. I just I just worry about the guy. You know, he's wrestling once every six months, so I i wouldn't lose too much sleep over Roman, but that was, I mean, he flew, dude. Like, you know, Javon Evans in NXT says he's bouncy. Like, no, Roman Reigns was bouncy. I want to see, like, who got the, like, the still shot from that. You know what i mean? Like, from the side of the ring where he's just, like, flying over the top. mean, dude, it wasn't like he got up to the ropes and jumped over. Like, he leapt from, like, just a step. Yeah, from, like, a a couple steps past the middle the ring and flew over that top rope, man. Like,
00:16:20
Speaker
Go back and Undertaker had a big, ugly landing like that when he did something similar at WrestleMania 26. Undertaker basically went like straight up over the top rope and straight back down. Yeah, Roman literally, he looked like a freaking superhero. He launched himself. Roman's a freak of nature. But yeah, overall, really fun match. Looked like Braun Breaker got a little bit banged out banged up, but i think I'm thinking maybe that was something minor, dude, because he he didn't feel bad enough to not come back and celebrate there at the end of the night. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:48
Speaker
Another tag team match right afterwards, which you know i thought that was kind of weird pacing-wise, man. there's just you know We had three tag team matches on ah on a seven-match card here for night one, and um which was actually really like six matches. But we get Charlotte and Alexa taking the tag belts from the Judgment
Key Matches and Outcomes
00:17:03
Speaker
Day.
00:17:03
Speaker
Match was what it was. We got to talk, though, dude. What a job by Alexa Bliss. She has made Charlotte Flair one of the biggest babyfaces on the ladies' side in WWE. Yeah, I think that's the biggest shock of 2025 for me. I thought after the after the Rumble, like I thought Charlotte was just toast, dude. I thought she was cooked.
00:17:20
Speaker
and then Then she got beat by Tiffy at Mania. Exactly. She got beat by Tiffy. They had those horrible run of promos together. I was like, oh man, this is so bad. Now Charlotte's beloved, man. Alexa freaking Bliss, dude. People love Miss Bliss.
00:17:37
Speaker
And the little Instagram videos they do together, and it's like we're seeing a different side of Charlotte we've never seen. and I think it's that's what's opening our eyes to like, oh, she's fun. We can like her, and we can move for She's kind of lost that cockiness that you just wanted to slap out her.
00:17:51
Speaker
I think she just didn't have anywhere to go from that. You know what I mean? She'd already put herself up. She's already done so much, man. No, she doesn't have anything to prove. I'm just saying with this comeback run or whatever, I feel like after the reception was so bad, it's like, well, I mean – screw it. Like, let's just do something that's fun and different.
00:18:09
Speaker
And I think it paid off, dude. I think just having her go with Alexa, get in the tag division, stay out of the main event scene. Um, I think it was the right move. And you know, like we said, it paid off.
00:18:20
Speaker
I know booking one Oh one says eventually one of these two got to turn on the other dude. I say, they just let them go man let's let's let's give them a run dude. And just let, let the fans love on both of them. Cause they both are friends by convenience. Yeah. their name Yeah. Dude, you know, it, Because time is so funny nowadays, man. like It feels like Alexa is still kind of like new-ish, dude. But, dude, Alexa has been on the main roster for almost a decade now. Basically just as long as ah as Charlotte has, man. you know So like these guys are freaking... like Think about how... so so you know Tom, I'll toss this back to you, man, because I know you're a freaking you know ah OG fan.
00:18:54
Speaker
Think about the time from like WrestleMania II to WrestleMania XII. How much time that seems like between those two events. That's how long Charlotte and Alexa have been on the main roster at this Yeah, remember we saw Alexa and Charlotte at that show? Yeah, and San Jose in 2015, yeah.
00:19:10
Speaker
Yeah, both of those were. They were already in WWE, dude. No, but I think they... I don't think... I'm not going to give the WWE creative team a lot of credit. I think this is something that's just kind of slapped together and just kind of grassroots caught fire.
00:19:20
Speaker
But, dude, it's so over and over and over. It's so much fun. You know, you got the backstage interviews where... They're talking about how when Alexa first showed up at NXT, Charlotte was one of the only people that was kind of nice to her stuff. So you got this, you know, you're adding depth to this tag team.
00:19:32
Speaker
And I think people are behind it, man. I think you're going to get a lot of emotion. If you can build up some good heel teams to go against them, I think you're really going to get some big crowd reactions. Yeah, I agree. On the post show, Charlotte was really emotional talking about it. I think I think she's really been touched by the reception that she's she's always put in the work. She's never she's never gotten the love from the fans that she deserves for whatever reason. but yeah And it goes back to evolution when they started cheering her there. Yeah, i saw her just stop to do the little heart thing to the crowd. You can just see how much it meant to her.
00:19:59
Speaker
So I think it's cool seeing everything she's given to the business and how good she is to see her just appreciate that so much at this point in her career. Yeah, because she's, mean, dude, she's paved the way for a lot of women. You know what i mean? Like, she was on the the up and come up when, like, this whole, like, the women's women's revolution was happening. It was Sasha, and Becky, Yeah, like, you know, they they were part of the women's revolution, and it was just like, you know, I feel like we forget that a lot. We've got so much amazing women's wrestling now that... it's hard to like trace it back there because back in those days we still had like, you know, no shade to Alicia Fox, but we were still in like the Alicia Fox era and like, you know, the, the Funkadactyls era. And you know, one of which is the freaking women's champion right now, which is just wild to me, but you know what i mean? So I think, uh,
00:20:43
Speaker
We need to look back fondly on Charlotte. You know, we got the OG Fig Kid here, so we got to tear on the figures. Dude, can I say, man, one of the absolute biggest sins in the figure game over the last 10 years, we have had exactly two Charlotte figures that include a robe, man. How is that possible, I know. All the amazing entrance gear that she's given us. We've never the green one, right? Yeah, we've never gotten the green one. There's a stunning green one. But yeah.
00:21:06
Speaker
Ugh. We've gotten exactly two Charlotte Flair figures that include robes. How is that possible, dude? Yeah, I mean, we need more. and And I felt like the last one, I finally kind of nailed her scan, too.
00:21:17
Speaker
So yeah we definitely need a couple more Charlotte figures. Another ultimate for sure with a... It's not even the figures. We need we need more entrance gear. Yeah, we need entrance gear, man. She she goes above and beyond to give us like excellent entrance gear. You know what? i think cursed it, dude. If we're if we can go deep on the figure stuff since we do that time Oh, that one that just was like a peg warmer? Well, it what but the thing is...
00:21:39
Speaker
Rich Swann, we're going back to Elite 54. So we're going back to like, you know, 2017 timeframe, I believe it was. And Rich Swann was in that set. He got dropped of the set he got He got released right around the time when those sets were starting to ship. The first batches that went out, he was in them.
00:21:56
Speaker
And then his figures were all pooled and they repacked them with Charlottes, dude. So instead of having, you know, like one or two Charlottes per case, it was like three or four Charlottes in every case of Elite 54 that got set out. We had a Walmart that was just...
00:22:07
Speaker
Yeah, jam-packed with Charlottes for years. They got crusty, bro. Some of these Charlotte figures were filing taxes from Walmart. news how They sat on the pegs, man. but and I think maybe that just that just sparked me. i'm I'm thinking there's somebody in like every business meeting when Mattel's laying out these lineups, he's like, wait, remember what happened in Elite 54? Because I'm sure that was probably the most expensive figure in that set as far as development goes. Because the two robes Mattel has given us have both been just top-notch, primo quality. Yeah. um But yeah, dude, I just, you know, not not to digress too far, but da we need more Charlottes with the ropes. That was the same thing with the Tito Santana Legends figure. He replaced Hulk. That's happened a couple times, dude. We freaking hate that figure for a number of reasons. yeah It's a great figure. I love that figure. That was the perfect Tito Santana figure. Dude, I'm still hoping that they re-signed Rick Martell to give us a nice matching Strikeforce Rick Martell. That figure was great. It clogged up our target for years, bro. Same here. Years.
00:23:04
Speaker
For me, it's like that one, Elite 54. So it's at that Hall of Fame, Tito, Elite 54, Charlotte. I think Candice LeRae. That's probably like top three. Candice LeRae is right now. And probably Unrivaled.
00:23:16
Speaker
yeah or which Yeah, Unrivaled. um brit baker series one those ones yeah so that brit baker candace lauray charlotte tito santana that's like the four horsemen of the apocalypse for uh peg warming i still see nyla rose and i still see candace lauray at my walmart so dude canda we have we have like 10 candace laurays at our local yeah walmart she was like elite 87 dude it's just not moving man like it was a cool figure too i just think there's just i don't know what kids are running out to buy candace and I mean, i don't know how, like, obviously I don't know anything about like ah Walmart's retail systems or like, you know, Target's retail systems.
00:23:51
Speaker
But when I was a manager at Sephora, like when when we were changing stuff out and when stuff didn't sell, we did this thing that was called an RTV, which is like a return to vendor. So we would get all the stuff. Like if we had a bunch of shit that didn't sell or a certain color that didn't sell, I would pack it back up, send it back to, you know, Chanel or Dior or Tarte or whoever had sent it to us.
00:24:11
Speaker
And just send it back to them so they could send new stuff to put out on the little gondolas and stuff, right? So we didn't just have all this product that was clogging up the shelves. We would return stuff to them and then, you know, but I don't know if Walmart like buys it outright. The last couple of years, Target's done that, dude. Target's, so that's why a lot of people, like obviously I have no self-control because I'm a degenerate dude. I get them on day one, but a lot of people wait to get the Legends because...
00:24:34
Speaker
If they set for like, you know, three and a half, four weeks, they clearance them. Yeah, they start marking down. Walmart doesn't do that. Walmart doesn't give a shit. But Target's been really... I want to say it was maybe, you know, starting about a year and a half, two years ago. Target got really aggressive on keeping fresh stuff on the pegs. And you've seen it, man. Target's been super easy to go find figures at the last two years. Well, back when I was with Sephora, they never... They didn't do any sort of like discounting or like clearance stuff. um So, you know, they didn't get to mark stuff down. Like i said, we just... We always returned it. So maybe that's the difference. You know, we didn't have the capability to...
00:25:03
Speaker
put stuff on clearance and get it out of the store. I'm just right you said, I'll buy the Ledgers right away because I want to support the line. I don't feel right waiting, but if I want an extra, then I wait for it. You get the second one at half price.
00:25:15
Speaker
Yeah, there's been a couple that I'm like borderline on that I'll i'll wait. you know I don't want it full price, but if like if i I'm at the store for something else, I see it on clearance, I'll snag it. I know, but you know what? that It's going to bite you in the ass one day because one day you're going to wait and just think that you can get something and something weird is going to happen and you're never going to be able to find that figure. You know what i mean? That's another reason why I'll buy them right away.
00:25:36
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. ah but what's ah A bird in the hands worth two in the bush, you know? so Wow. Okay. Dropping the freaking figures of speech. Yeah. Third match. This was a weird one, man. Sami Zayn defeats Karrion Kross really kind of cleanly, man, in eight minutes, dude. could, I, you know, we do our fully picked league. I picked Karrion Kross, man. I thought you know, he had the, the, the wins were at his back. I thought for sure. behind him I thought for sure this was the moment, man. I thought they were, this was probably the biggest, you know, match that Karrion Kross has had in WWE. And, yeah.
00:26:09
Speaker
Yeah, to let Sammy get over like that. I was just a little a little taken back by that. well that was I think that was what? That was Saturday Night's main event, right? Where Sammy beat him last time? Or was that on a pay-per-view? I forget.
00:26:20
Speaker
can't remember. didn't he fought him at the... yeah Oh, shoot. The overseas pay-per-view. Which one was it that was recent? The King of the Ring. The collection Paris? No, the King Ring one. Yeah, they fought there at the one.
00:26:34
Speaker
Yeah, but Crown Jewel, yeah, Sammy beat him. So that's two straight pay-per-view losses. Oh, no, no, Carrion won that one. It was the one before that that Sammy won. Carrion did win that one? Yes, he won that one, which shocked me because they were over in Sammy's territory, so I thought he would go over there.
00:26:49
Speaker
So it's just the whole booking seems backwards with this whole thing. But the other interesting thing that I didn't understand, when the match was over, did you notice how Carrion kept reaching for Sammy? Yeah. and touching him i'm like what is that all about like he kept grabbing oh no i didn't notice that i must have been i must have gotten up in yeah like it was weird because it was very obvious he kept pulling at him and i'm like what is that all about everybody's like oh gosh he's gone i'm like they're not putting him on summer slam if he's about to walk away like i don't know dude i pulled it up because i couldn't remember dude he lost man looking at right now in wikipedia he lost at night of champions dude so yeah night of champions where they did so he lost at that one um where did he beat him then
00:27:26
Speaker
He beat him one time. Maybe that was on Raw or Saturday Night's Main Event. Either way, lose is clean in eight minutes. Kind of like just like a non-event of a match. I know it's been put out in the dirt sheets for the last couple weeks, which at this point, I never know what's to what's fact or what's just kind of kayfabe 2.0 on this stuff.
00:27:43
Speaker
Yeah. If, yeah you know, supposedly carrying cross contracts up like the end of this month, do we think he's actually gone or is this setting up something else? Because it feels like they've got so much steam behind him to they're just send him packing now. I think he's going to resign with WWE. He's not leaving. They're not putting on SummerSlam if he's about to leave.
00:28:01
Speaker
Yeah. They don't put a guy over as he's leaving.
00:28:06
Speaker
What's your take, Shane? Do you think Carrie's sticking around? think he's going to stay around. Yeah, I think he's going resign with WWE. I mean, what's he going to do? Go to AEW and just go into the freaking abyss of nothingness? You know what i mean? like that's That's the only trajectory for him if he goes to AEW. Well, I think maybe TNA. go back to TNA. Killer Kross. Yeah, he could go to TNA, but I mean, why? Yeah, definitely. works so Okay, so if he is staying, what do you do with him after you have Sammy just basically beat him clean as a sheet here at SummerSlam in front of 50,000 people?
00:28:34
Speaker
I mean, that that I don't know. That's why I'm puzzled. Like I said, I mean, I confidently picked Karrion Kross to win this match. I did too. I've never been a huge – I've never been sold on the guy anyways, man. I mean, I've never been like the biggest Karrion Kross fan. i I liked him when he was in NXT. I thought it was all cool, like the smoke and everything. And like we've talked about on this show countless times. I mean, ever since Adam Cole just a straight up freaking, you know, cooked him, I was just like, oh, yeah, you know what? Maybe he is right back.
00:28:59
Speaker
However, um when he cut the ah promo on Sam's show and all that kind of stuff, I thought, okay, you know, and he started to get a little bit of momentum and the people were behind him. And, you know, he's been doing some fun stuff. I thought, I think all of his like, you know, character work and stuff has been, has been improved.
00:29:16
Speaker
um I just, um'm I'm a little puzzled by this. I mean, his whole return has been puzzling because he comes back and the first thing he's involved with Roman on that SmackDown, it's like, oh, they're going to give this guy a push. And then he kind of,
00:29:29
Speaker
yeah he was he's gonna do something with roman and something with drew and he did with aj wasn't he messing with aj for a while yeah yeah aj was going to he's had a bunch of kind of like mini feuds with people yeah the sammy's the one that's really kind of stuck but you know obviously he's over i mean don't know if you're sammy zane don't know you're giving this guy time of day after this one um i'm to see if what if he shows up on raw and what he's doing man um Up next, we had the Women's WWE Championship. Tiffany Stratton beats Jade Cargill. Again, this is another clean one, man. good man I thought it was pretty good match. It would only lasted seven minutes. Obviously, Jade's not getting paid by the hour when she goes out there, but I thought they hit some pretty high-impact moves, man. I thought it was a huge win for Tiffy, man. I know there's a lot of criticism criticisms out there of Jade, but regardless, we know how much steam there is behind her within the company.
00:30:18
Speaker
I think it's a huge win for Tiffy to get basically a clean win over Jade on SummerSlam. Yeah, they must be behind. They must be behind Tiffy, man, because I also I picked Jade to win this. I know, like you said, there's been criticisms out there and she's not, you know, she's still at this point in her career a little bit, you know, rusty in the ring and not ah not as clean as she could be and not as powerful as I feel like, you know, she she has the capability to be.
00:30:43
Speaker
But yeah. Yeah, Tiffy tipffpy came out with the win and looking like a million bucks, dude. I feel like you called it, Seth, a couple of weeks ago on the show when you said that your stock has dropped in in Jade. And I feel like it has for w WWE, too, because it just doesn't seem like she's taking that next step. she's She's doing bigger moves, but they always seem kind of sloppy.
00:31:05
Speaker
It's like, how how much longer can they try and put her in that spotlight if she's not going to be able to become that person? And I just, I'm beginning to have doubts that she's going to be able to do it. Obviously, you know, we're not behind behind the scenes knowing what happens. I feel like they're I feel like they're at the point where it's like, all right, you know, we've been patient enough.
00:31:25
Speaker
you know, we've done enough to set you up for success. You just got to go out there and deliver in the ring at this point. You know, you got to go out there and bring it. You're kind of on your own kid. Let's see if you sink or swim. I thought she did fine tonight, obviously, or on Saturday night. Obviously, she didn't get the win.
00:31:38
Speaker
Yeah. But I think she gets growth from this loss, man. I think i think she can bounce back. I think now we've seen that you know she's human. She's not just going to be Superwoman every single match out there. And I still think there's a ah run to the World Championship for But, dude...
00:31:53
Speaker
I'd kind of like to see them hit the a little bit of a soft reset. Go back to the AEW playbook. Let's have her go after the Intercontinental or the U.S. title and just go on a streak, man. Like, run it back. It worked at AEW. Let's have it happen in WWE, too, man. Those things, people always clown on, like, the Goldberg streak and stuff, man. But the winning streak gimmick always works to get people over.
00:32:12
Speaker
It's true. And we got to remember, too, like, her first match was on TV in AEW. And she's still only a few years in. What, is she three or four years into her career? Yeah, she's very familiar.
00:32:23
Speaker
Yeah, and I think we just, we forget. i mean, I know she has like ah a background in like playing basketball and stuff, but like she looks like a million bucks. Her physique is like unmatched across the company, right? However, she's a bodybuilder and bodybuilders, ah they're not known for having like athleticism, right? They're all about, they're all about physique. It's all smoke and no sizzle, right? It's all muscles.
00:32:44
Speaker
um No so flexibility. No flexibility, no mobility. It's all about, you know, like I said, just gains and gains and gains. And I feel like, you know, she's having to transition out of that like bodybuilding lifestyle to get to be a wrestler. It's two totally different things, right?
00:33:01
Speaker
I feel like maybe they need to take her back and maybe wrestle more like Austin and Hogan did. She doesn't need to do those big moves with that physique and that aura she has around her. Yeah, I mean, she's got the energy. She's got the presence, man. I mean, that like all of that is there.
00:33:16
Speaker
But it's like you said, she's just clunky and it just doesn't translate in the ring. I feel like you could get by being kind of almost like the female Goldberg in like the mid-card scene, right? With the the IC or the US titles. Yeah.
00:33:28
Speaker
I feel like the world, i feel like it's only a matter of time for the crowd turns on you if you're trying to do that at the the highest level. Well, because there's too many amazing women at yeah in the company, right? Like there's there's so many women that have proven that they have just like the you know their freaking ring work is incredible that yeah if jade's out there just kind of putting on just kind of sloppy slobber knockers power bombs and forearms yeah it's it's not going to go over well let's add some big boots some choke slams in let's let's make her seem like the big guys in wrestling like make her be the big girl yeah so tiffy's got a hell of a run now man you know she she took this thing into mania beat charlotte clean now she beat jade at summer slam are we seeing this thing going all the way to mania before tiffy loses his belt
00:34:09
Speaker
a I don't know. i mean, who's next? He's still a long way away. don't know. We got, you know, we know Stephanie Vakur is going be fighting at clash at pair, uh, clash in Paris, but that's going to be against, uh, Naomi, right?
00:34:24
Speaker
No, I think it is. Oh yeah. Oh, it is Tiffy. The stuff is on SmackDown, right? I don't know. The brand split so hard to keep up with. I hate it too. It confuses me.
00:34:36
Speaker
No, she's Julia SmackDown. She is raw. So you're right. It is probably, uh, She'll be going against ah nao yeah Naomi. So I don't know who's next for Tiffy, man, because, yeah, she's kind of run through the whole SmackDown scene at this point. I mean, Julia may be next up. I'd say maybe we see her hold it until so to Mania at least.
00:34:56
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's going take somebody pretty high caliber to freaking knock her off at this point. But it just seems like Mania so long so far away. Yeah, true. Anything happen between now and then. But yeah, Tiffy, until further notice, yeah, she is ruling the roost over on SmackDown. So up next, we got probably the most controversial match of the weekend.
00:35:14
Speaker
Randy Orton and Jelly Roll against Drew McIntyre and Logan Paul. These guys were not there in that 17 minutes. Shane, what did you think of Jelly Roll's matchup? WWE. Dude, was sports entertained. I thought, I thought jelly roll did the damn thing for being jelly roll. You know what i mean? I mean, the guy, what was he like? He, know, he used to be 400 pounds and now he's like down to two 99. I know, I know they were really punching that home and, you know it probably feels like, you know, blah, blah, blah.
00:35:38
Speaker
But I, I was entertained. What about you, Tom? I was very sports entertained. I thought the guy did a good job for a guy who's just lost. He was over 500 pounds. He's lost 230 pounds.
00:35:49
Speaker
He's just getting his mobility back. And I feel like he put on a damn good effort. It was enjoyable for a celebrity that has never done this. It's not like he was an athlete before. Exactly. that Taking that That top rope jump from Logan Paul on the table. Holy smoke. Yes.
00:36:07
Speaker
Yeah. And I think, I think he does have a respect, you know, he definitely showed respect for the business. I don't think he was trying to get out there and, you know, just act like he knew everything. um i thought he did a great job. I don't care what anybody says. i agree.
00:36:19
Speaker
I love, I love in his promos that he just kept saying Logan, Logan, Logan, he just kept calling him Logan. I thought that was so funny. Yeah, Jelly Roll is obviously a really cool dude, man. um Seemed like he took to it. We've we've really been on just a ah banger of a stretch for celebrity involvement in wrestling. Had a killer choke slam, dude. Yeah, nice choke slam. We saw that last year against Austin Theory.
00:36:41
Speaker
If you saw Channing Stacks Lorenzo in NXT, he was one of the guys that was helped training him. He had a really good post. Talked about the first day they were there in the PC, Jelly Roll broke his finger. Ooh. Right? And it have been enough for a lot of celebrities to say, like you know, screw this, I'm done. Yeah, so he taped it up. He was back the next day.
00:36:57
Speaker
So I thought it was fine. You know, if I'm being hypercritical, it probably went just a little bit long, but still nothing to be ashamed of, man. I think it's a lot of fun. I'm sure Jelly Roll's friends and family loved to see that. And it seemed like the crowd was with it for the most part. And he took the L, dude. He didn't go in there and go over, man. Like...
00:37:14
Speaker
I looked it up. I still need to do a deeper dive because I think I can find i can find some time that it happened. But from what I can find so far, this was the first time that a celebrity has lost a match in WWE since WrestleMania too when Mr. T got DQ'd Roddy Piper in their wrestling boxing match. No way, dude. There's got to be some time. If we're calling Logan Paul a wrestler, this is when when else is a celebrity lost, dude?
00:37:41
Speaker
I don't know. You need to put that into your little AI. I did. That's what I did. I crossed it. I thought i couldn't think of anything except WrestleMania two. And then AI said the same thing. Wow, that's crazy.
00:37:53
Speaker
Snooki had a tag team match with somebody at like WrestleMania 24, 25, and it was like a little bit controversial. I think it maybe went to a no contest, but she didn't actually lose. I think this is the first time a celebrity's come in and lose. And same thing with Jay Leno. When Jay Leno teamed up with DDP back in 1998, I think that match went to a no contest as well. And David Arquette never lost in WCW?
00:38:16
Speaker
He, I want to say, no, I think he forfeited the title, I think he got forfeited and went up. What about Jon Stewart? Jon Stewart have a match? No, Jon Stewart. He just attacked Cena at SummerSlam, right? Yeah.
00:38:27
Speaker
Yeah. Now you had. attacked Rollins, right? He attacked, no, he attacked Cena and helped Seth win. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. one I can think of now is we're kind of talking through it. I think it cancels out. So i't know if it counts because it was celebrity against celebrity, but, uh, Dennis Rodman and Hulk beat Carl Malone and DDP at a bash at the beach. But I don't know if that counts because it's celebrity on celebrity. because we out those Yeah. Yeah. what Yeah. But no, it's like, again, if,
00:38:51
Speaker
ah If we got a listener out there, chime in. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time since WrestleMania 2. And even that one, like, you know, Mr. T lost on decision, but basically he just got pissed off at Roddy Piper and just started fighting him. So it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like he actually like, you know, was staring up at the lights at the end of it like Jelly Roll was. So I got no beef with it, man. Like i said, dude, if you want to be a super hardcore smirk and say like, oh, you know, this is stupid, like whatever. But I thought it was fine. i thought it was perfectly fine. I thought, you know.
00:39:20
Speaker
Drew and Logan were the perfect ah foes for Randy and Jelly Roll. And RK Roll is a pretty stellar tag team. Yeah, I'm popping if Jelly Roll is a surprise interest in the Rumble this year, man. Yeah, dude. i I'm here for it. Like you said, I think he's a good guy. i mean, I just, I don't know.
00:39:36
Speaker
I don't have any issue with this. Tom, I know you're a little bit closer with the guys at Mattel since, you know, she just got her, you know, six-year beef going with Sweaty Bill at this point. Yeah. just Just sniff, man. You don't got to confirm. and I don't want you to betray your sources. Is there a Jelly Roll figure in the works?
00:39:52
Speaker
I don't know, but I would buy one before I'd buy a Gronk figure, that's for sure. that True. What about Bad Bunny, bro? what's What's going on with getting a Bad Bunny figure? That feels like it's years overdue at this point. Did they not announce one?
00:40:05
Speaker
feel like they announced one a long time ago and it just never came to fruition. Everybody was expecting it. Now it's almost kind of like past the due date. You know what I mean? what what what Can you give us any insight on what happened with ever getting a Bad Bunny figure? Because it felt like such a layup. I never heard anything. Maybe he just didn't sign a contract with Mattel because you do have to sign a separate contract.
00:40:24
Speaker
yeah that's weird about bad bunny figure i mean that would sell out that's what i'm saying because like not even just wrestling fans like bad bunny fans would buy i'm thinking when it happens i think it needs to be backlash 2023 ultimate edition and do like the first logan paul like it's going to be up for order on mattel creations for like three weeks and the pre-order is the order dude yeah and dude yeah cast the checks man bad bunny is freaking huge dude like we it he's He's gigantic in America, but we really don't understand. like i I don't think most Americans really have a scope of what a star he is, man. But, you know, Logan Paul has all those social media followers, followers and he's the lowest-selling Ultimate Edition ever, so...
00:41:03
Speaker
Really? Yeah. And I did. Yeah. But I mean, dude, having social media followers is like being rich in Monopoly money, dude. You know what i mean? Like granted he has all the brand deals and all the, you know, YouTube money and all that kind of stuff. Right.
00:41:15
Speaker
But like. Plus feel there's lot people that like hate watch. They're like, hey, true. Yeah. All those, all those little, you know, sweaty marks in their basement watching Logan Paul videos. They're not, they're not spending money on action figures. You know what i mean? So.
00:41:26
Speaker
I did find social media social media fame is totally different than like actual having talent fame. That is true. And I did find a celebrity who lost Drew. ah Drew Carey was thrown out of the Royal Rumble.
00:41:38
Speaker
There have been a handful of Rumble interests. Yeah, I'll give you that, dude. but the find Find me a one-on-one, dude. Tom outsmarted the AI. like It's like that time that Dwight you know outsold the outs sold the computer. yeah Drew Carey is a WWE Hall of Famer, man. air Everybody always brings up Coco B. Where is the worst? To me, Drew Carey is is by far the worst WWE Hall of Famer of all time.
00:42:00
Speaker
i like I'm trying to Google as we're talking here, and I'm not finding any who who really lost. crazy That must be all our contracts, dude. you know and There's just a list of people, too. It's like, holy smokes, when you go look at all the celebrities who wrestle. All the celebrities.
00:42:16
Speaker
Yeah, WWE and celebrities have always been very entrized. Yeah, I've heard people run off about Jelly Roll, dude. know some of our close friends in the tavern were run off about like, dude, this has always been a thing. Go back to WrestleMania 1, dude. WrestleMania 1, half the appeal was all the celebrities were there. Dude, and Jelly Roll is by far... I will take Jelly Roll over Travis Scott 10 times out of 10, dude. You know what I mean? He's the least offensive celebrity that I've ever seen on WWE. You know mean? There's been some pretty repugnant people that are on WWE considered celebrities. He makes good music too.
00:42:48
Speaker
And he makes good music. All right, let's get to the main event. Absolute, just glorious final 35 minutes, man, of SummerSlam. We see CM Punk coming out in that beautiful, Fantastic Four-inspired gear.
00:43:03
Speaker
Dude, I thought him and Gunther, like, before we even get to the ending, man, let's let's kind of separate church and state here, dude. I... and I need to go back and sketch it out. And this is coming from somebody that is, a you know, unapologetic CM Punk hater.
00:43:16
Speaker
I think that's probably a top 10, top 12 SummerSlam match of all time, dude. These guys freaking sold out out there. It was nuts, dude. I thought Gunther put on a clinic, man. He was so smooth in everything he did. i loved it Gunther might be the best heel wrestler we've seen in such a long time.
00:43:35
Speaker
he's He's so old school. He's so brutal, man. And just relentless. Yeah. Yeah, but he he's just like, besides Brock Lesnar, who we'll talk about in a little bit, like Gunther is like probably number two on like dudes I would just never want to like insult or be in a fight with. You know what I mean Like, I mean, he's just going to absolutely pulverize you, you know? I thought they told a beautiful story, the whole match. And then when Gunther saw his own blood and how that startled him, like what a what a great, great match.
00:44:02
Speaker
the The blood, I think the blood was key. I was a little bit just like, dude, that's a lot of blood for Gunther. CM Punk took a serious freaking beating, man. You you needed the blood to make it believable. It's like, how how could Gunther possibly blow this match after all the the damage he's dealt?
00:44:18
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was awesome, dude. I mean, like yeah like you said, if it had just ended with CM Punk, you know, holding standing tall as the freaking, you know, screen went black, I think we would all been like, damn, this was fucking awesome.
00:44:32
Speaker
So I was totally fine with the ending. And then would put when Seth comes out, you know they perfectly time up the music hit. And right as CM Punk finally gets to his feet, he's going to get this triumphant moment. He's hitting the pose. Yeah, we hit burn it down, dude.
00:44:44
Speaker
And then the way the announcers were playing it off and everything, I was like, well, we're just going to tease. You know, it's just a little reminder. Like, hey, this is, you I still hate you. Don't get comfortable. See him punk. Seth's going to be here working. And then we get the Willy Wonka treatment, dude.
00:44:57
Speaker
Yeah. Dude, when he dropped the crutches, I was just like marking all the way out, dude. And dude, the reason i know I'm biased, dude, the reason why Seth is truly, you know, the macho man of this generation, the absolute best,
00:45:13
Speaker
He didn't just drop the crutches. He timed it up with the music that he dropped the crutches right as Burn It Down hits for like maximum aura. You know what i mean? Like you got to burn it down and the music's quiet for a second and let the crowd just go nuts, man. Like Seth's just the man, dude. He's the best, dude. There was videos literally Becky Lynch posted on Instagram this week of him going down the street in public with his daughter, dude. He li limping around on the crutches with his daughter throwing out there. Like the commitment to to work in this thing, like it was just, it was primo, man. Yeah, and then you got the little clip that got released of Becky Lynch backstage, you know, being like, you know don't believe everything you see on the internet. And her just being super stoked for Seth as all of it was going down. um
00:45:54
Speaker
just Just perfect, dude. And if you got beef with Seth Rollins, you don't really like wrestling, dude. I'm convinced that, you know, if you're if you're talking shit, I saw some like Seth Hogan. Yeah. like comments and stuff like that. That's not going over like that, dude. It's, that's what I said, dude. It's been a year and half since he was world champ. Exactly, dude. And Seth has freaking taken losses from so many people. WrestleMania 40. He lost in the main event night one, then turn around in the opening match night two, lost the championship. Besides when Seth has been injured, he has been the backbone of the freaking company, like showing up like night after night, week after week, month after month. Like you can always count on Seth Rollins, you know, like, Freaking death taxes and Seth Rollins, you know? I know you got some critiques. We were texting last night. Let's hear it. My biggest, my only critiques about it was because it was an awesome moment is that I wish it wasn't being reported everywhere because I wasn't even looking for it.
00:46:47
Speaker
And every frigging wrestling figure group I'm in was talking about how Meltzer swearing that it's a work and he's cashing in at SummerSlam. So I'm watching it last night and my wife's like, why aren't you happy? Punk won. I'm like, just watch and watch what happened.
00:46:59
Speaker
Yeah. and then he like I love the moment and I love how they've built this feud. like This is like the biggest blood feud we've seen in years. Oh yeah, dude. In the beginning, Punk was on top and now the pendulum has swung and Seth keeps coming out on top. and like This is going to work itself all the way to WrestleMania.
00:47:17
Speaker
And it should. and it it could just keep The hatred can just keep growing and then it can just could keep going back at each other. it's just It's just been such a story of two guys hating each other.
00:47:28
Speaker
I cannot wait to see what happens next. You know, I hated that it got out there and that it was so leaked, too. But I feel like the way that they pulled it off with the with the knee brace and him limping out and the crutches and everything and then hitting the swerve. I think that was a nice touch, too, because, yeah, he could have just totally ran out and freaking, you know, come out from underneath the ring or something and cashed in. But, you know, they built the drama. They made you think like, oh, OK, maybe it's not a work. Dude, the other thing is, man since Triple H took over, they've been so buttoned up on the leaks, right? Like, nobody was speculating Brock was coming back. Like, there's been so many – like, nobody knew Cena was turning heel. I cannot believe Brock didn't get spoiled. Dude, I feel like they almost leaked this out, man. i You know, was talking about kayfabe 2.0. I think this is why, you know, they leaked it out to a couple key sources because, you know, Mel –
00:48:14
Speaker
Credit to Dave Meltzer. We give Dave Meltzer a lot of shit on here. He was from the jump saying this thing was a work. There were a lot of people that were like reporting this was legit. So that's going to be out for nine months. I think they just, I think, I think the intent from the start, maybe I'm giving WWE too much credit here, but I really think they just wanted to muddy the waters to where they at least planted the idea that maybe this could happen, but nobody really knew for sure what was going on with this man. Obviously the injury kind of seen, it seemed weird from the start, just everything going on with But, But I loved it, dude. Again, Seth's my dude, man. He's a big reason why I got back into wrestling. But yeah, I thought it was great.
00:48:47
Speaker
PW Insider was swearing it was real. And that's usually my go-to site for news. He's been the most connected on WWE by far since Triple H took over. so i like And then when Seth turned around, I'm like, oh.
00:49:00
Speaker
And then he started to take those couple of steps. And I'm like, that's a fake. That's not real. And then I'm like, I knew it. But I still popped for the moment. I thought it was fun. And i I can't wait to see what comes next. But I did read one site was speculating that WWE was trying to bring Brock back for SummerSlam.
00:49:17
Speaker
So... yeah I didn't believe it. was like, I don't think it's happening. And then I was shocked tonight when his music hit. I was totally shocked. And I'm like, oh, okay. Because I kept thinking, what did they do with Cena now that he lost the title? But we can talk about that in a little bit.
00:49:30
Speaker
i I loved it, man. if i If I had one critique, you know, it's one of my all-time favorite movies. I kind of would have liked it if we really did see Seth just go full Willy Wonka, do like the front somersault down the ramp to ah to kick it off, you know, like Willy Wonka did. But I thought it was really cool, man.
Two-Night SummerSlam Format
00:49:45
Speaker
Awesome way to end the show. I thought overall, let's let's kind of do overall night one thoughts, man. Like I i thought the show, i thought it was decent. There was nothing bad, but I thought it was kind of just maybe a middle-of-the-road somerslam, but within just an all-time urban ending.
00:49:58
Speaker
I agree. um I might have an even more of a hot take, dude. I feel like this could have been a single night SummerSlam. I feel like, you know, they they fluffed this up a lot. um I feel like they could have really compressed these cards and ah just made an absolute banger of a card if they really wanted to.
00:50:20
Speaker
I am 100% with you. I feel like it could have been a banger one night SummerSlam. You could have killed a a couple of matches in there. I said the same exact thing as you. like It didn't need to be two nights.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah, we got we got two we got two really good nights of wrestling with um like just outstanding endings, which I think saved a lot of the show. and like and left It left the fans leaving happy, which is cool, or just excited, whatever you want to call it. If you weren't happy for Seth Rollins, you were excited.
00:50:46
Speaker
But... but Yeah, I feel like there was a lot of just meh in here. I... So, I think going forward, yeah, I'm not permanently sold on two nights of SummerSlam, right? I think, but I think, you know, I don't want to go into too much detail on the night two ending because we're about jump into night two.
00:51:06
Speaker
I think both those moments deserved... I think those were two show closing moments, dude. that's the problem yeah because like you couldn't have done both of those in one night yeah you can't have one of those happen in the middle of the show no that would have been it would have been way too much so like yeah for this particular SummerSlam yeah they had to have just two absolute banger closing matches and like closing swerves right but they need they need to do some work next year to justify the two night format I think if you just have one of those, if you just have one of those endings, the rest of the show could have been on one night. mean, because the thing you got to think about, like, this is a huge show. Two nights is a huge show. When you're coming off of two nights of mania, this is a lot to build in a matter of freaking four or five months. You know what i mean? Like, this is a lot of stuff that you have to put together and a lot of story that you got to tell to make it feel feel worthy of two nights of SummerSlam. Yeah. You know?
00:51:56
Speaker
but it's here to stay, though. So, know. They made money. There was butts in seats both nights. So, yeah, they're not going back. Yeah, 113,000 over two nights. I think we're going to be stuck with two nights. I wish they would just go back to what they did at Mania 40 and just have some sort of story that leads night one into night love that, dude. Yeah.
00:52:13
Speaker
It doesn't. Yeah, I'm i'm with you 100%. And I don't need it every single year to be like something that happens in the main event of in and night one ties into the main event of night two, but do something in the mid card. You know what i mean? Have a number one contenders match and hey, the winner of this match gets inserted into the title match next night. do Give us a little something to tie the two nights together every single time. Even a ladder match, like the winner gets to face the Intercontinental Champion tomorrow and yeah Exactly. Yeah.
00:52:38
Speaker
That would be great, man. All right. Let's get into night two. So, you know, this is what we just watched earlier this evening. Open up with a banger of a triple threat, man. I thought Naomi, Io, and Rhea, all three brought it. Awesome match.
00:52:49
Speaker
Obviously, Naomi retains. What a run Naomi's on, man. Just a late career resurgence. Yeah. Absolutely love it. I know I talked about the Funkadactyls, dude. And there's probably a lot of people who have joined the the wrestling fold recently.
00:52:59
Speaker
They don't even know about, you know, Funkadactyls. but Things were so bleak for Naomi at Things were so bleak for Naomi at one point, you know, and she had the, ah what she was with Tamina and Sasha Banks and that whole thing was kind of just like, oh God. Team bad.
00:53:13
Speaker
Team bad, like what are we doing here? um You know, she did have the, she did have the. um The glow. Yeah. She had the glow, but she was on Total Divas, which I thought was you know a really cool um you know exposure for Naomi.
00:53:26
Speaker
But yeah, as far as career-wise, it felt like everybody else was excelling, and Naomi was just kind of like treading water. um And she's always been talented. do mean she wrote She went to TNA for two years. Yeah, she's super athletic. Yeah, she left the company with Sasha, and then come back, and obviously, like you know she's she's got the bloodline blood. you know she's part She's part of the bloodline now. you know so She's a fa-tou. So the fa-tous are always going to find their way on top.
00:53:48
Speaker
So ah yeah, she's fa-tou. Shout out to Naomi and shout out to Rhea and Io because another incredible match by all three of these. I love the gimmick change for Naomi. It was so needed. She was so happy, the glow thing for so long that this fits her.
00:54:04
Speaker
Like it just works perfectly. I love seeing her as this heel. And again, banger of a match. Io Sky is just ah press impresses me more and more. Every time I see her, Rhea is just a monster in a ring. And I feel like the combo of these women can just not have a bad match.
00:54:20
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. yeah if you put these three women in there, um you're bound to just you're bound to be entertained. And yeah like you said, i think think he'll Naomi like at this point is is really good. She tried being heel before and it just kind of fell off because she's always been so bubbly and so it's so glowy and showy, you know.
00:54:38
Speaker
But whatever she... She's being more herself, just turning up the obnoxiousness. The obnoxiousness, yeah. She's not trying to be... Feels like being natural. She's not just trying to be a badass. You know what i mean? like Yeah, she's just trying to be like an obnoxious heel. It's super cool that her dad... I had no idea that her dad was a guitar player. Like I mean like i said, I've been watching Naomi for years at this point. And maybe they've mentioned it, um or maybe they mentioned it on Total Divas at some point. But I did not know her dad was a guitar player. And yeah, he played her to the ring tonight.
00:55:05
Speaker
So thought was pretty cool. the Up next, we had the 16 TLC
Wyatt Six and Match Critiques
00:55:10
Speaker
match. It's an absolute car crash demolition derby of a match. Wyatt Six retained. Dude, I thought the booking was a little bit weird on this because they continue to present us as the Wyatt Six, are like the ultimate babyfaces tribute to Bray, but...
00:55:22
Speaker
I was hearing a lot of boos, man, when they climbed up to get the belts. And, you know, they had a ton of interference, right? Obviously, we had Candice LeRae. We had BFAB getting involved in it. But the Wyatts definitely had the most interference out anybody, man. Like, they probably don't win that match without the help of Uncle Howdy, Rowan, and Nikki Cross.
00:55:42
Speaker
And so, I don't know. i I thought the storytelling was a little bit weird on this one. What did you think, Tom? I enjoyed the match. I mean, you give me guys taking these crazy spots in this match. They all did a hell of a job. The Street Profits, DIY, everybody. like I enjoyed the match. I didn't think the booking was as crazy. it's a TLC match. We're not used to the run-ins in a TLC match like we got tonight.
00:56:04
Speaker
So that was a ah little weird at first, but like everybody had run-ins coming in to help them. So I didn't mind it so i so much. How about that spot, Candice LeRae going through the ladder? Oh, my Lord. That ladder snapped in half. It had to be gimmicked, right? It snapped in half. Yeah. mean, gimmicked or not, she still went flying from very high at a very rapid pace. Oh, my. But if you've watched any of her indie matches from back in the day, that's nothing for her. She is as hardcore as you get in there.
00:56:31
Speaker
And I think maybe this helps propel her a little bit. And maybe that's what they used it for. Maybe. I mean, because she's super small. And for her to like snap the ladder, that's pretty that's a pretty intense bump.
00:56:42
Speaker
We've talked about it a lot amongst ourselves. Tom, what's your kind of temperature on Wyatt's six now that we're a year plus into this experiment? um I feel like they have a limited run.
00:56:53
Speaker
Unless they could come up with something with them. But I feel like now they've kind of backed all these guys into a corner. Yeah. like how do you how do you rescue them from this if they do want to go in another direction? five-person faction is tough to book also when you're kind – they're kind of all at the same level as well, man. Like, if they had – I feel like if they had brought Uncle Howdy in as, like, a gigantic deal, like, main event type person, I feel like it could possibly work. But kind of five people in the mid-card is just – it's just crowded, man. they They don't get a ton of TV time, you know.
00:57:23
Speaker
I would say you i mean you already have the judgment day there. You know what i mean? Like, it's just, it's just a lot. I would say there's a good chance by next SummerSlam. We're not seeing them anymore. Yeah, I was I tried to be hopeful and optimistic, um obviously, as a tribute to Bray. But I mean, even with Bray, who we just we loved dearly, dude. His stories always fizzled The stories just fizzled out. There was just no, um you know, there was a ceiling on it and there was just no way to translate what what he was trying to to convey onto onto a screen wrestling and wrestling it.
00:57:54
Speaker
I wouldn't be mad at either if we actually had like a full on like I don't know what it looks like, but if we actually have like a full on conclusion to like the Wyatt Six storyline, you know what i mean? Like yeah some sort of angle where it just brings the whole thing to an end. And, you know, that's it. Yeah. Put i' pretty long put a little pretty bow on it and let it just. Yeah.
00:58:12
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah, because at this point, it's not doing – it's actually, like, diminishing the legacy. Yeah, we don't need to see, like, Uncle Howdy and, like, a you know a Fatal 4 way to determine the number one contender for the Intercontinental Championship. It just doesn't work, man, with what the the way that these guys were brought in.
00:58:27
Speaker
ah Moving on. Wait, one more thing. you didn't i don't know if you guys watched the post show at all, but they started to tease the Street Profits finally breaking up. We watched a little, but we were trying to get set up for this podcast and get the kids a night movie on. So I didn't i usually one man i usually watch the post show, but I have not watched any of it yet.
00:58:46
Speaker
Montez Ford has been, you know, the breakout star waiting to happen for it feels like the last three years at this point. and he still not, don't want to say stuck because Street Profits are still doing cool stuff, but like feels like he's kind of just on the treadmill right now. Yeah. but Unfortunately, Montez Ford was peaking during the Bloodline era.
00:59:01
Speaker
So it was kind of like it was a really hard spot. Like why bret why break him up from the tag team when there's no place for him to go in the the main event? Remember, he stood out in that twenty twenty three elimination. one hundred percent yeah Yeah. Other than doing like, you know, six DX chops. He was he was building himself on the cross. He was absolutely ah incredible that night. But yeah, he was he was chopping and chopping.
00:59:23
Speaker
All right. We had Becky Lynch defeat Lyra in the IC title match, obviously with a big dose of Bailey interference in there. um I thought the crowd kind of let this one down a little bit. I thought these I thought the ladies were working hard, had a pretty good match. It seemed like the crowd was just dead for this one after that, that big ladder match. Yeah, i thought um I thought the, whatever you call it, what's the, I'm tired, what's the thing? The zip tie. The zip tie was a little bit much. um I felt like it went on a little bit too long, and then she couldn't get it off.
00:59:51
Speaker
Like, she couldn't get it unsnapped or whatever was supposed to happen, and she was trying to undo it with the, and it kind brought me out of it a little bit, and had to climb under the ring, and I suppose. You end up thinking about the zip tie more than anything else. I was. I was thinking, like, how is she getting out of this zip tie, you know? Why is this zip tie so strong? What brand is this? need to get this next time I need zip ties something. 100% whatever kind of zip tie that was what I'm using on my freaking you know farmstead projects from now on but then it came off and she had to get it back on herself which I thought that was really poor too oh yeah it was that was kind of a botch I mean I guess you can overlook that but yeah it was was more distraction than actually helping
01:00:27
Speaker
I thought they put on a hell of a match, though. Like, Lyra took a beating. Becky took a beating. She was all bruised on the post show. You could see bruises on her already. um The Bayley thing, kind of like, I'd have rather seen Bayley do something on the show on her own and just get involved in that again. Okay.
01:00:42
Speaker
I feel like this is they're reintroducing her. I mean, like, you know, this has been building for her. So surely to God they're going I feel like they're setting up Bayley for a big push. Me and Sheena was talking about this earlier today. You know, she's been on the podcast circuit and even on some of the WWE's official channels talking about how frustrated she is being left off WrestleMania and SummerSlam and stuff. I don't know.
01:01:02
Speaker
I don't know exactly what it's going to look like yet, but I think we're getting set up for a big, big Bayley push over i hopes the second half of 2025. I mean, we just had the whole Bayley and Lyra feud going on. They did the two out of three falls match thing, a couple other matches. So it just makes no sense to extend it. Let's let everybody go on their own and do something new.
Speculations on Future WWE Events
01:01:21
Speaker
Sheena, you in for another Bayley world title reign or. I don't. Have we seen it too many times before at this point? I don't. I mean, I, I want to show all the love and respect to Bayley. Bailey has put in the work. She has carried the company at times and she's been the best thing on TV at times.
01:01:36
Speaker
um I think right now, i I don't really have a strong desire to see Bayley as the the women's world champion. I mean, I hope she's fighting, you know, for, you know, the titles and stuff. I want her to be in the mix, but i yeah, i don't I don't want her as my world champion right now. I feel like there's just, there's loads of other options that, ah you know, we could go with.
01:01:59
Speaker
right, the next two matches, I felt were both kind of just like, I felt like they were almost there just to kind of fill time and bring the almost bring the crowd down a little bit before we hit the big crescendo for the main event. We had Solo beating Jacob in the steel cage match. This was just like, if you asked Chad GPT to book a heel winning a steel cage match, which you would have got, man. You kind of saw this one coming in.
01:02:19
Speaker
If you weren't a gigantic believer in Jacob Fautu getting the U.S. title back, we had all the MFTs showing up to interfere, ultimately leading solo win. This was kind of just whatever to me. I did like that they let Jacob kind of get his lick back after the match and beat the shit out everybody.
01:02:34
Speaker
um But yeah, now this this match really did move the needle for me. I felt like the match missed. um And again, now you're doing a handcuffing thing after you did the tie thing, the match before.
01:02:46
Speaker
I was up with the wrist constraints tonight. Somebody's got a kink there at WWE. lot of hand binding, yeah. I think they're going to push Jake up into the world title picture, and that's why he lost tonight.
01:02:58
Speaker
I think so, too. i think, I mean, obviously he's so over, and I feel like he's... he's ah He would be an awesome title holder because he's just so unhinged. um But yeah, I didn't get to watch a lot of this match because I was messing with the goats and doing stuff with the goats. But ah I was shocked that Solo won. I was a believer in Jacob Platt. Yeah, she yelled across the backyard, what? Solo won? Yeah, I heard him say Solo and i was like, are you joking? As soon as they said steel cage match for this gimmick, already I knew Jacob was doomed, man. Like, if you've been watching wrestling for any amount of time, you know the steel cage design to keep interference out. So you can guarantee if you got a heel that's got some henchmen, some goons, they're getting involved in the match, man. And it ultimately was just too much for Jacob to overcome. um
01:03:41
Speaker
Then we go to Dom and a j I mean, this was fun enough, dude. This was basically just a little eddy Eddie Guerrero nostalgia trip, That's really all this was. I mean, Dominic impressed me, though. He gets better and better, and he's only 28.
01:03:56
Speaker
Dude, I love Dominic Mysterio, dude. ah He's one of my favorite things in WWE. There's rumors that they're going to make him kind of like one of the faces of AAA. Dude, I think that would be so good for him to go down to AAA, you know, get their big, big title, and...
01:04:13
Speaker
go on a run where he's dropping, you know, not doing the judgment day stuff, just putting on bangers, right? Like let him still be dirty Dom and WWE, but the hardcore, the hardcore fans will know that he's doing this thing down in triple a where he's just putting on incredible matches and, and, you know, being their top guy clean.
01:04:27
Speaker
I think that'd be a lot of fun. I agree. I hope they do it. But yeah, uh, definitely we're're we're, we're, we're 100% getting, Eddie Guerrero, AJ styles and next year's summer slam set. Right. I would hope so. Oh, that was awesome.
01:04:41
Speaker
That was awesome. i ah I love that. That's just ready-made for a figure. I mean, honestly, like... It's ready-made. There you go. make it proud I mean, I would need to look at of my Eddie figures and AJ side-by-side, but they've already made that Eddie in that gear.
01:04:56
Speaker
You could probably just use the lower half, right? They already have the tooling and the paint apps, man. Just make it happen. You know, you could smack that. Make that a freaking build-a-figure. There you go. All right, let's get to the main event, dude. e I don't know You guys tell me, man. Was this match more long than it was Epic or did the stakes match it? This was a 37-minute long match, almost 38 minutes long.
01:05:18
Speaker
14 finishers. We were counting because if you remember the fully-picked slate. I said Bret Hart losing his freaking mind right now. And, you know, and the Crossroads and the Attitude Adjustment are both two of the softer finishers in WWE. I think you typically know...
01:05:30
Speaker
it It's almost always taking more than one to finish somebody off. Cody, it's a triple that usually is his. I did, Cena kicked out of the triple and then Cody kicked out of the double AA plus double AA plus average. a Cody kicked out. So ah these guys were just dropping bombs, man, but 14 finishers. Finally, a crossroads does the trick.
01:05:52
Speaker
Cody is the champ again. Before we get to the the big return, Tom, what did you think of the actual match? I enjoyed the match. I think they worked their asses off so people wouldn't say it sucked like their Mania match.
01:06:04
Speaker
And they delivered. I thought they delivered. I thought Cena, I didn't know he had that much left in him. Like, the guy is literally really banged up. His back, it's really hard for him to take bumps anymore. His lower back is shot.
01:06:16
Speaker
And he was taking chair shots to the back. He looked so good tonight. Went through a table. Went through it. He was it was so I thought it was a great match. I thought they delivered that little thing when I went under the stage and they came up and Cody was like, yeah, that on the shoulders. I'm like, I thought like it was going to come out. Somebody attacked him under there and help Cena. But i was like, OK, is Cena really a face now or is he still bad? So like that was just a little confusing. But the lighting on it was perfect.
01:06:41
Speaker
And talk about Cody's entrance. Like how awesome was that visual? Yeah. I put in it in the group, in the live thread, the Foley Fam Facebook group, man, I dude, there's no way he's losing after the the the dusty cosign on the entrance. Yeah.
01:06:56
Speaker
Yeah, like you, I thought they delivered. I thought um the match was spectacular. Freaking, you know, John Cena's legacy with me is that he's just got the absolute worst s STF. And, you know, and I was hopeful because he put on that shitty STF on Cody. And I was like, God, like, you know, every time I see it, I've been seeing it for, I mean, umpteen years now. And every time I'm just like yelling at my TV screen.
01:07:16
Speaker
So then he grabs the bottom rope that Cody had undone. And I was hopeful. i was like, oh, yeah, he's about to freaking put him in there and then choke him out with the rope. Yeah. And then the rope was so loose. And I was like, God. Like, it's intentional at this point. I mean, it has to be. It's like a troll job. He's just not going to do a good STF. Yeah, he's trolling me 100%. I think somewhere along the way, he must have seen me bagging on him. And he's like, you know what? Chick-fil-A, I'm really going to fuck with her tonight and just make this the loosest s STF in history. thought it was a good match. I love that we got Babyface Cena back, man. I know, like, they probably could have done an angle to get it back, but I'm totally fine with just doing the the men in black memory stick. I think it made the match more fun, dude. Yeah. And I think Cena did a good job on Friday. Like I said, that it it was kind of just them hitting the reset button on it. But at least he addressed he addressed everything. You know, hey, you know, I thought The Rock was going to be here for me. I thought Travis Scott was going to be here with me and everybody abandoned me. And this isn't really who I am. And.
01:08:08
Speaker
I thought it was good, man. i He said, I did it for good TV. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that, I thought that pro yeah Tom, did you see the promo he cut on yeah to open SmackDown? Yeah. I thought that was just one of his best ever, dude. I was, I was fired up, man. Even though I was already a grownup by the time Cena was really hitting his peak, it made me feel like a kid, just a nostalgia that it brought up seeing baby face John Cena back. So I'm glad they went ahead and went with that, man. Um, might might be you guys I think we should have saw Cody go harder, dude.
01:08:35
Speaker
do wish should Like to turn into like the heel, man. Cause they kind of teased it when he's beating him down with a turnbuckle. But I feel like Cody's still kind of, Cody it really didn't go all the way on ah any kind of double turn anything. No, I feel like, I feel like especially tonight, knowing what we know now, it would have been too much if he'd like really just laid into seeing it. And I thought the show of respect at the end really kind of protected ah Cody. And I think it's going to make it even more, you know, shocking when he finally does turn, turn heel. What were you going to say, Tom? i I don't know how they didn't have R-Truth involved with him turning face again.
01:09:05
Speaker
Like, I felt like they missed something there. I don't know. I feel like our truth could have muddied it up, dude, i because of the way that truth has been portraying his character. Um, you know, since, since it all went down, i think, I think the way he did it was just clean. There was no loose ends that need to be tied up. It's literally just like, you know what, this is who I am. I'm going to give you the best John Cena that I can give you at my final summer slam.
01:09:29
Speaker
Um, and I feel like he just made it hater proof, you know, you guys remember like a month ago when everybody was saying our truth should be, uh, to win the belt from John Cena. Yeah. What a 2025 is a wild time to be a wrestling fan. They legit were just like, all right, dude, y'all won't quit bitching. We'll bring our truth back for like three more weeks. and Then he's going to be gone again, dude.
01:09:49
Speaker
Yeah, R-Truth literally got fired and then and they came back, dude. um All right, again, before we get to the ending, we'll say that. Tom, what kind of reception is Cody going to get when he comes out on SmackDown, dude? Because it felt like the crowd was pretty – I don't know if it was 100%, but I think it was about 85%, 90% behind Cena.
01:10:08
Speaker
And, you know, Cody had use a turnbuckle to beat him down. I know he got the rub from Cena at the end. Cena gave him the hug and everything and stuff. It kind of was like, you know, giveday it's okay, buddy. um what what does Cody's next couple weeks look like, man? Is he still locked in as the top two or three babyface in WWE, or do you think we're going to start to see a little bit of mixed reactions coming in for the American Nightmare? i That's a really good question. I think a lot depends on what city they're going to be in.
01:10:34
Speaker
Like, if they going to still be here in New York or Jersey or Philly, I think he would get booed. But depending on where he goes, Cena gave him the rub at the end of the match. Cena really gave him rub, too. don't know. I think, dude, I think they're going to be hard-pressed to freaking turn Cody Rhodes' heel, dude. I mean, I think...
01:10:54
Speaker
We're going to be in Montreal on Friday. That's typically a pretty smart crowd, man. So I don't know, dude. I'm interested to see how it goes. I think they could play it, man. I think i think Brock coming out took a lot of the heat off of Cody.
01:11:05
Speaker
it took Yes, it took a lot of the heat off of Cody. And I just feel like it's it would be a little bit... weird to have like so we just had john cena who's been a lifelong babyface dude turn heel and had this heel run and whatever and then we're gonna just like turn the company's other biggest babyface heel you know i feel like it's a little bit too much back to back i think it will eventually happen i don't think it's gonna happen in 2025 and i don't think it's gonna happen at least in the first half of 2026 yeah i think as long as they have cody pivoted and doing something interesting think i'll be fine i say it's a couple of years away before he turns heel
01:11:42
Speaker
Dude, that you because they're still cashing Cody checks like mad, dude. Like every every kid I know has Cody merch, you know? Yeah. So. All right. So let's go
Brock Lesnar's Shocking Return
01:11:52
Speaker
to the beginning. So obviously, Cody beats him. um You know, we're kind of just getting the John Cena SummerSlam send off.
01:11:59
Speaker
And then that distorted guitar riff hits and Brock Lesnar is back for the first time since SummerSlam 2023. Shock. I mean, shock. It was just shock, dude. Like I said, I mean, I was always a Brock mark. I always enjoyed Brock.
01:12:14
Speaker
um And hearing the music, it just took it a minute to register. Like I just, I was absolutely not expecting it. I hadn't seen anything about anybody seeing Brock, you know, around town at all. Like, you know, there was no leaks of him.
01:12:26
Speaker
And then when that guitar riff hit, I was just like, thought I was like hallucinating. I'm like, I know it's getting a little late, but damn, you know? And then Brock comes out full cowboy hat, freaking vest mullet.
01:12:38
Speaker
Oh, dude. I mean, talk about mark out moment of the freaking weekend. I mean, i was I went on PW Insider after it was over, and they apparently reported it like an hour before it happened that they heard Brock was in town and going to come out after the match.
01:12:54
Speaker
I was so happy I did not go on that site during the show and have it ruined for me. Yeah, but who's on PW Insider during the show? That's true. That's why I went after. So Mike Johnson said he got a bunch of texts that he was there. He was in town and he's there for the ending of the show.
01:13:09
Speaker
I'm so glad I didn't see it again. i hate spoilers that they make things not fun because seeing it, I i did not expect that. I did not expect bros we'd ever see him again in WWE. wwe And yet here he is. So.
01:13:22
Speaker
Yeah, i thought like I thought once Vince was gone, I was kind of just like, you know what? Maybe maybe Brock has sailed off into the sunset, dude. Vince may not be far behind. You saw at the Hogan tribute they did. yeah Not the one SmackDown right after he passed, but the one on Raw. hogan They had a big photo of Hogan and Vince together, man I thought that was pretty interesting. I did too. Yeah.
01:13:42
Speaker
Yeah, so Vince may not be far behind either, dude. I thought this was awesome. I don't think Brock is going to be seeing his last match, but i think this is a really cool way to occupy his last couple months. You know, we know he's going to be in Perth for a big match. They've already been advertising that. I could totally see Brock versus Cena kind of headlighted that.
01:13:59
Speaker
I mean, I kept saying, what are they going to do with Cena now that he doesn't have the title? and Exactly. And then here comes Brock. Oh, now I know it's going to take up some of his time. Yeah, because there was nobody else, dude. There was nobody left, right? like Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Nothing that you could like that he had history with that made sense going back to. Right, that wouldn't happen organically. so I mean, I'm hearing rumors for his last match. I have doubt there's any truth to this, but that it's going to be Edge because his contract's up with AEW before his last match.
01:14:27
Speaker
That would be cool, man. I kind of did. I have a hard time seeing that one because, dude, he just signed, what, October 2023? So what? That would mean he did a two-year deal? Yeah. Adam Toplin. Oh.
01:14:39
Speaker
Yeah. So, yeah. So we're thinking – I'm thinking it's going to be that Saturday night's main event in Boston on ah December, right, for his last match? Yeah, that would make sense. I lines on really hope they do. I think it would be beautiful if they actually had his last match at the the MSG house show the day after Christmas.
01:14:59
Speaker
And not air it? Yeah, well, I mean, or you could air it, you know what mean? maybe just but just But if you do air it, still do just a regular house show presentation, man. um I just thought that'd be a really cool way to end it. You know, that's always such a big deal, man, that post-Christmas MSG house show. i thought that'd be a neat way to go out. But but yeah, I'm thinking, yeah, it's probably going to be that Saturday night's main event there in Boston. um Dude, I don't know who the last match could be. Randy Orton would make sense, but, you know, they already had a big match.
01:15:25
Speaker
yeah You could always do Roman, man. I feel like Roman and Cena works, man. Roman's obviously next. i feel I don't know exactly what that looks like. You could always just make it a respecting last match, dude.
01:15:36
Speaker
I kind of want to see him go against one of the tippy-top guys instead of like the torch-passing moment, man. cause I don't ready. I don't feel like Braun Breaker's ready for that. You know what mean? No. Seeing his last match, he needs to go against somebody that's proven, dude. yeah I think it needs to be just... To me, I think i think Roman's the guy, dude. If you had to make me book it right now, I would say Roman Reigns. but I can even see Seth.
01:16:00
Speaker
I can see Seth. Seth and John Cena have a history, dude. Yeah, they do. I mean, freaking Seth broke John Cena's nose, you know? Yeah, but i i i ah this is just my personal taste, man. I kind want just see a respect thing, dude. I feel like the only way... If Seth's doing it, he's like clowning John Cena and like talking shit to him on the way to the match, dude. I feel like Roman and Cena, you don't even got to do that much, dude. You honestly don't even need to build it. You could just ah like...
01:16:23
Speaker
WrestleMania six style, just announce the match, man. And just have a couple of stare downs and that's it. And everyone had seen, I think that'd be the biggest match they could do. I agree. We can bring Baron Corbin back.
01:16:35
Speaker
Oh yeah. Kurt Angle style. my God. But yeah, I don't really know who else there is, man. Yeah. Where you got Roman and Seth. I think it's Roman. Maybe you bring back Randy Orton. Um,
01:16:46
Speaker
Cody, maybe give them one last chance. That could work also. You could could you could circle back to Cody and Cena one last time, but I felt like we've already seen that twice this year. i go Roman, man. If it's me booking, if I'm calling my shot right now, it's August 3rd, I say Roman Reigns is John Cena's last match. I wouldn't hate it.
01:17:02
Speaker
Yeah, i'm be here for it. I'd be here for it. So overall, what were you guys' thoughts on SummerSlam this year?
Overall Impressions of SummerSlam 2025
01:17:07
Speaker
I think it was a little bit middle of the road, but I think it's slightly higher than average just based off the epic moments we had to close both nights.
01:17:15
Speaker
I think there was some really awesome, just like spectacular, pay-per-view-worthy moments that ah kind of got watered down by some stuff that just was could have been on a B-level pay-per-view.
01:17:29
Speaker
I agree. Like it could have been an amazing one night show, but you don't have those two endings then. Yeah. They say they put all their chips in the Indian. they have you whatever they had so much money to spend, they're like, what fuck it, we're putting all the money on these Indians. Right. No matter what happens in the rest of the night, we're going sure these this is what the fans remember. And that's what I'm going to remember, honestly. like When I go back and look at it and think about this, I'm to think about Seth casting in and Roman.
01:17:55
Speaker
That's no Vince-ism, dude. Vince always said, man, the only thing people remember is what you know how they felt walking out of the building at the end of the night, man. so Yeah. yeah All right, Sheena, we got some listener mail? Yep.
01:18:11
Speaker
Remember, we got two batches. think we got some spillover from preview show. Yeah, I had some for from last week when we got you know just bogged down by by life and didn't get to record our SummerSlam preview.
01:18:23
Speaker
um So we'll start Francis Marino. He says, how do you feel about WWE w Unreal? Do you think it's good or bad for the wrestling business? Personally, I like it, and I think it will create new fans. For me, I haven't gotten to watch it yet. It's on my list. like It's high up on my list of things that I want to tune into.
01:18:38
Speaker
Um, but I, to me, I love that kind of stuff. I am a reality TV connoisseur. Like I love to see all the behind the scenes stuff. Um, I don't think it ruins the business at this point. We all know, right. It's been on podcasts. It's been on this. It's been on that. Like they talk about it all the time.
01:18:55
Speaker
So I'm ready to just see it. You know what i mean? I want, I want to see it. And I know I'm like, you know, living with Mr. Kayfabe, but yeah, I love kayfabe. I fucking hate that WWE Unreal is a thing. whoever Whoever came up with this concept and helped push through to get this greenlit as a series by Netflix, it is fucking terminate on site. TOS, dude. I am swinging on you when I see you, man. Like, no, dude.
WWE 'Unreal' Series Debate
01:19:20
Speaker
Wrestling is real, man. And to protect wrestling being real, we do not need to see behind the scenes on, you know. who decide who is real Who decided that, you know, Demon Finn needed to lose the edge at WrestleMania 39? I don't need to see that stuff, dude.
01:19:33
Speaker
Just let me know he lost because he was overconfident, right? i don't want to hear the the behind the scenes why and what. Coming from somebody who literally listens to like, you know, 50 wrestling podcasts a week, dude, you know. I do, but when it's time when the the show starts, when the little graphics come up to kick off the show, that part of my brain just clicks off, man, and I'm i'm a mark.
01:19:51
Speaker
What about you, Tom? What are your thoughts on Unreal? I loved it. To me, seeing how they actually make the show the production of it and how big of a deal it is, I'm like, holy crap. You don't realize how much work goes into it.
01:20:03
Speaker
And as you watch it, you'll see it's very scripted. You know some shit's not actually Unreal. Yeah. Yeah, same thing. Yeah, exactly. It's the same thing as reality TV, right? There's a level of like, you know, realism to it, but there's also a level of ah production that's also there, you know, but it's it's a nice look behind the scenes. Listen, we all I know it's scripted. I know it's fake. So I don't mind seeing it as long as I'm not seeing it before we know what's going to happen.
01:20:27
Speaker
I don't mind seeing it after. Exactly. And I can totally, when I'm watching the show, i can totally turn off that that part of my brain and just enjoy the show as if it's like, you know, ah ah what a fight happening in front of me, right? A Broadway play that I'm watching. I can literally just tune in and watch what I'm watching without thinking like, wonder what Triple H is doing behind the scenes right now. i wonder what he's saying. What's Paul Levesque doing? Oh yeah. wonder what Paul Levesque's doing. Sorry.
01:20:51
Speaker
um Did you watch it? Yeah. No. We haven't watched it yet. told you can't Are you going to watch it? No, I can't. You've got to watch it. been waiting for you to watch it. yeah you watch Awesome some biographies on the wrestlers and you get in them say some shit that you don't normally hear. I thought it was great. Yeah, but you watch, we watch Dark Side of the Ring together. All that stuff is years in the past, dude. That stuff is years in the past. It's not happening right now. The Statue of Limitations. But, but,
01:21:16
Speaker
past It's not happening and right now. What's on the show? It was six months ago. So what's the difference if it's six months ago or six years ago? It's still people that are actively involved on screen. And so I know how they feel about them. my god i you know this might I'm still in my mind. Austin Theory is still six months away from being a world champ, dude. And I may hear something on that show that makes me think like, shit, they really don't care anything about Austin Theory.
01:21:38
Speaker
And now I'm not going to be as invested whenever I see him show up on Raw, even though he is the future of the business.
Wrestling Figures Nostalgia
01:21:43
Speaker
It'll stifle your creative juices when you're here on the show. you guys made People give me a hard time about my Austin Theory fanhood, dude.
01:21:51
Speaker
Everybody thinks Braun Breaker's next. When the dust settles 15, 20 years from now, Austin Theory will have had a better career than Braun Breaker. You can book that. I actually agree with you. i think the kid has something and i don't know what we're waiting for.
01:22:03
Speaker
fans are behind him, bro. The last couple of times you've been on screen, the fans are behind him. He's got the look. He can work. There's just some, and I love Braun Breaker. Don't get me wrong. I love Braun Breaker, but I just think there's something that you can't quite put your finger on, dude, about Austin Theory.
01:22:18
Speaker
And dude, as crazy, as bad shit crazy as late era Vince was, Vince saw it too. And I still trust, the one thing you could trust on Vince is that he could pick who was going to be the super duper stars, man. Just look at freaking Roman. You know what Roman was a Vince guy, dude. Look what Roman went on to do.
01:22:34
Speaker
Okay. I mean, if you watch the show, you would enjoy it. They're not burying people on you. I promise you that. Yeah. may If Sheena watches it, maybe I'll sit down and watch it. She's going to have to initiate that.
01:22:45
Speaker
Yeah, the same way. So, like, he you know, he also says he didn't ever watch Vanderpump Rules, but he, like, knows all their names and their stories and stuff, too. he he's Yeah, he picked up a lot of that by, ah you know, just being in the house.
01:22:56
Speaker
um Zach Herzler, he did, ah you already answered this, but just, to like, let's do a little hindsight. said, what match do you think will steal the show this weekend? You said the TLC match, which I think didn't really steal the show. think, still to me, this the show stealer was probably Rhea, Io, and Naomi. I think that was the best undercard match of the weekend.
01:23:15
Speaker
um Well, Nathan Deese, he says, what's your favorite match of the show? So tying these two questions together, which one stole the show and kind of what was your favorite match? So you said the re-ish, I think CM Punk and Gunther was probably the best. Punk and Gunther the was the best overall, just like for a great match. can't steal the show if you're the main event, though. Yeah, true. Yeah, so it's show stealer. I give to the women's triple threat. Best match I thought was Gunther-CM Punk.
01:23:37
Speaker
i have to I have to agree with that. What about you, Tom? Yeah, the triple threat for me, I love that watching it tonight, so...
01:23:45
Speaker
ah Tony Barker favorite Hulk Hogan figure of all time I think we all agree that the LJN is probably that's not my personal favorite that' so favorite repair I think it's the best the best not my personal favorite I'd probably go with the second Hasbro dude so that's the one that does like the bear hug action man the the number two Hasbro figure is my favorite Hulk Hogan figure ever What about you, Tom? I'm going. As a favorite, is LJN and the best and favorite? I still have it.
01:24:11
Speaker
My original one that I bought in the store the day came out, so I can't pick anything. How's the paint on it? Oh, it's all gone. He's dirty. He's got no headband anymore, no eyebrows, no knee pads.
01:24:22
Speaker
Dude, everybody knows the first Hogan LJN. I think the second LJN Hogan is vastly superior, man. I don't disagree. And it can stand up, you know what mean? The first one's like and the yeah that weird squatting. The first one's in that weird like bow leg squatting position, whereas the second one's like triumphant, flexing the muscles, dude. That's Hulkamania to me, man.
01:24:42
Speaker
yeah I'm really hoping it's not long before we see Mattel remake that version of the LJN. That'd be awesome. are you Do you guys think that the new LJNs are going to have the same, like, I don't even know if this a word, but like the tactability, you know what I mean? As the LJ, LJ hands are very, they have a very specific like hand feel. Did you get to feel them, Tom?
01:25:01
Speaker
No, but I texted Sam Roberts to get his opinion because I know he got to hold them. And he said they are very authentic feeling. You know, the big rubber guys, that so there's been numerous LJN revivals over the years.
01:25:14
Speaker
Nobody's nailed it. The big rubber guys by our friends over at the Major Pod, dude, like they nailed they came closer to anybody. like They were almost indistinguishable from regular LJNs. And it can't be coincidence that their line blew up and all of a sudden Mattel got interested in doing a revival. So I'm sure they were very inspired by them. And they so the reason why I think...
01:25:32
Speaker
the big rubber guys were so much more um successful than any of the other people that have tried to bring it back was because that they were the the right scale and the right feel, man. Cause we've seen some that they try to do it, but they end being, yeah, they're like resin dude. Yeah. They were closer to like the San Francisco toy makers, WCW figures, dude, the LJNs. You really like, it was a gimmick on the box where it said twist and turn it, but you really could twist and turn those figures, man. They had like a softness and like a pliability to them.
01:25:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Um, Phil Dunn, it says, what's your favorite SDCC reveal? The WrestleMania 13 three pack. That's my all time favorite match. We somehow never gotten that Brett.
01:26:11
Speaker
And then we're getting a referee Ken Shamrock also like, yeah, WrestleMania 13 three pack, a hundred million percent. Excluded. I'll say You go ahead, Tom. Excluding the LJMs. I'm going to say the Piper's pit set.
01:26:23
Speaker
Yeah. I knew that's right your alley. Hardcore Piper fan. That's such a cool set. Yeah, I love that we're getting a um Ultimate Edition reboot of the yeah linen pants braids. Yeah, the OG leader braids. That's going to be at a great figure. you i know that's going to an awesome figure. That's going to be an incredible figure. I'm also super nostalgic to that look because that was our very first WWE braids.
01:26:47
Speaker
Elite that we had that kicked off our Elite collection because but prior to that we were Rebuilding a Jax Classic Superstars Elite 28 Brave Yeah that figure allowed us to ah Abandon ah that whole that whole venture And start collecting Mattel Elites We're getting that Game of Thrones WrestleMania 34 Rollins also finally That's going to be cool. Eight years later.
01:27:07
Speaker
um Also, shout out to Sam Roberts. I, you know, I am a personal. Yeah, Sheena's pick right here. Dude, my true pick is Sam Roberts. I feel like, you know, he he deserves a figure. I love Sam. He's one of my favorite podcasters and just like wrestling personalities out there. And we're getting him with the Shaved Head and the Hasbro Doink Hair. We're getting him with the Doink Hair and the Shaved Head. I'm just like over the moon. I know he was so super excited and. Pretty dang cool. Pretty dang cool, dude.
01:27:36
Speaker
I'm excited. Also, shout out to Jesse Ventura. I'm excited about that. Oh, yes, dude. All the Jesses look great, man. yeah finally good je he's but He's been probably like the biggest missing piece of Mattel. Tom, keep it on the figure stuff, dude. you got any Are the trade winds blowing on Macho Man coming back home?
01:27:52
Speaker
Have heard we sitting nothing. No movement whatsoever. I've heard nothing. God, dude. And it had to have happened right before we got that Ultimate Edition WrestleMania 7. I know. I agree. i agree. And, you know, Andre's not under contract anymore to them either. So that's why we haven't seen any Andre figures.
01:28:07
Speaker
feel like we got all the Andres we need, though, dude. Like, if Mattel never makes another Andre, I'm fine, dude. But the... The Machos, dude. I feel like they've upgraded so much just in the couple, you know, the two or three years since Macho's been gone.
01:28:20
Speaker
And there were still so many Macho looks they didn't do, man. He was always so over the top with the gear, man. I feel like that's the, obviously there's a lot of cool like mid card legends that they could sign up that would be really neat. But to me, the two biggest things Mattel could do to really just inject, you know, a lightning bolt back into the line would be getting Macho Man and Sting back in the line. Do we have any like glittery Macho Man jackets?
01:28:41
Speaker
The Russ Sweeney 7 one kind of did. You know, it's right there on the shelf. But yeah, they never really went all out. They were still, dude, we got a lot of Macho Mans with like rubber shirts. Like I said, yeah there's a lot of meat on the bone to do. There's there's a lot of Machos that they just never did.
01:28:55
Speaker
And there's a lot of meat on the bone to redo some Macho Mans and really do them up, man. Because Mattel, the last two or three years, they really have stepped up the game big time on these figures. I agree. Sting too, man. like that we we get i think mathil I think people give Mattel a little bit too hard of a time on how they did with Sting. I think they did a decent job with Sting, but I think if they had another crack at him, they'd really knock it out of the park. Dude, we were about to get another amazing Sting that was pulled from Target.
Future WWE Storylines and SummerSlam Memories
01:29:21
Speaker
Yeah, the first Legend set. Yeah, so like we missed so much, but if we're seeing Jake the Snake figures in both companies and Billy Gunn, why can't we get Sting in both?
01:29:29
Speaker
Yeah, make it happen. Um, Eric Yazzie, how do you feel about the pairing of Julia and Kiana James? I think it's cool. I mean, Julia is great. She's got an awesome aura.
01:29:40
Speaker
I think obviously her big weak spot is just the language barrier. So if you guys might kind of be a mouthpiece for her, I'm good with it. Tom, have any thoughts? Time will tell. I'm not judging it one way or the other yet. I love Julia's though. I wouldn't mind. yeah is awesome I don't know if Canada, i i'm I'm with you, dude. I don't know Canada James is a hundred is like a hundred percent, the best choice for the, you know, who's going to kind of help her out through the promos and stuff. But, ah but yeah, Julia is great, man. I think she'd probably be fine. Even if you didn't pair her with anybody, dude, give her Heyman, let him work with her.
01:30:11
Speaker
That'd be awesome, dude. I want females in the group, dude. think they need to add a female and a tech team. I thought Becky before. I feel like Becky is is going her own. She's got her own path now. i don't I don't know if she can join the group. I would love to see Becky in there, though. Becky and maybe like Street Profits or maybe Fraxium, something like that. That would be Montez.
01:30:32
Speaker
I wish we could just replace no no shade to ah you know Big Bronson Reed, if we had Montez instead of Bronson Reed, dude, that that would be just I like big Bronson, dude. You need a big guy in the faction, dude. I like Bronson. I think he works well in that faction. I do. it works because then The last time we saw him before that, he'd laid Seth Rollins out with like six tsunamis. So wherere and it leans into Seth being the architect. You know, this guy took him out. And instead of going back after him, Seth just brought him in the fold and made him part of the Heyman gang.
01:30:57
Speaker
Yeah, true. i just feel like he's he's getting over. I mean, i guess I don't know what ah excuse me. I don't know what else he would be doing if he wasn't in this gang. But I feel like he's getting third banana for sure. Yeah, he's going to be the guy. Eventually, this leads to Brombreaker turning on Seth. And yeah, Bronson is going to be the guy who's just kind of left out.
01:31:15
Speaker
ah Zach Herzler, favorite SummerSlam. um I'll probably go with 92. I'm looking at a beautiful Brett and Bulldog painting done by ah my good buddy, Sam Evans. ah You know, if you don't follow Sam Evans, he does some incredible oil paintings. Just awesome.
01:31:30
Speaker
ah So, yeah, I'll probably go 92 outdoors, Wembley. Just the vibe was on point. I'll go 97, man. That's a really historically significant show. That's where Steve Austin got his neck broke by Owen Hart. Bret Hart wins his fifth and final WWF championship in a banger of a main event against The Undertaker with Shawn Michaels as his guest referee.
01:31:49
Speaker
And like 97 is like my favorite year of wrestling. And I thought this was kind of just like the one perfect show to kind of sum up that feeling where it's like the new generation starting to fade away. attitude era starting to come in. And it was just a really, really cool blend.
01:32:03
Speaker
of uh you know just awesome character work um so illvo i'll go i'll go 97 tom i'm gonna go back with the og mega powers versus the mega bucks 1988 baby let's go yeah
01:32:18
Speaker
Oh, man. That's a classic, dude. I feel like that there's there's like a short list of like six or seven matches. And I feel like that Macho and Hogan against Andre and Ted DiBiase with Liz providing the assist on the victory. I think that's one of those matches you could show to somebody who's never seen wrestling if you were like trying to convert them to make them a fan within one match, man.
01:32:38
Speaker
I agree. TNT, our buddy Tyson Neal Trevino, did you have Brock Lesnar on your bingo card? I totally forgot about Brock. You totally forgot about Brock. I was thinking somebody might come out there at the end to confront Cena, but I never once in a million years thought it was going to be Brock.
01:32:54
Speaker
Same. Rob Sleight said, do you think Brock coming back was the reason they canceled the press conferences? and know They canceled the press conferences. no so Probably not. Whether it's AEW or WWE doing those press conferences are always so goofy anyways. Other than the Brawlout one, they' they're useless.
01:33:12
Speaker
Yeah. All out Brawlout. johnny jb dude did you think the rock would make an appearance it's been a while since i i did i did that's who i thought we might see there the end when it felt like they were kind of lingering we're seeing somebody i thought we might see the rock music yeah because you know john cena kind of like you know low-key threw some shade on him um and his promo and uh i was like you know what that's the perfect time he's like calling the rock back into existence we've we've seen like 20 20 That could have worked for his last match too, dude. We didn't think about that yet. Obviously, I think that ship sailed, dude, if they didn't do anything with it tonight. But yeah, Rock and Cena could have worked for the last match. Yeah. What did you think? Did you think the Rock was coming back, Tom? I thought we might see him, but at this point, I don't want to see him.
01:33:56
Speaker
i'm I'm done with him. and let think he' muddy I think it muddies the water, dude. Right. now like Just for these one-offs, storyline? No. If you're going to one-offs, just come back, cut a promo, and don't mess with stories. And he's just been like, I feel like, you know, though I said he's muddy. It's because like, you know, he, him and Cody were like, you know, they had a freaking blood feud, you know, like he was whipping Cody's ass every week, um calling out mama roads and just like, you know, all the things.
Closing Thoughts and Listener Mail
01:34:21
Speaker
Right. And then Cody, he just like comes out on the first Netflix raw
01:34:26
Speaker
And makes up with Cody like in front of everybody as if we hadn't just watched him beat the shit out of Cody for, you know, the past year. um And then turned on him again. Yeah. Then he turned on him again and made the whole scene of Travis Scott thing, which just, yes, the sell your soul, which never came to fruition. And then, you know, made John Cena look like a goon because Travis Scott, you know, showed up and then never showed up again. And so, yeah, I'm, I'm done with the rock too. Honestly.
01:34:53
Speaker
Listen, that one appearance, it just muddied everything. Like, away, Rock. It did. And if you want to come back and do like a three-month arc, yes. But don't do like the coming at the end of a pay-per-view and just screw things up.
01:35:05
Speaker
Yeah. And it's so sad because, you know, the year, the year prior, the rock coming in, just like put in a freaking electric shock and everything. It electrified us, you know, and it was like, Oh my God, like this is so crazy and unhinged and I love it. And like I was watching every week. And then this year it was just like corporate Dwayne.
01:35:24
Speaker
Like that was the wet fart of the cinch. I agree. Yeah. And that wraps up listener mail for this episode. all right, that's a wrap. We've gone a little bit longer than we were expecting. I know Sheen is getting tired here. I'm sitting there looking at her. I'm looking at her fade, any question?
01:35:39
Speaker
Tom, remind us one more time where we can find the Fig Guys. FigGuys.com. You can find all over of our links for the podcast, for the YouTube, for our social media. It's all there. All right, Sheen, hit us with some closing thoughts and we'll get out of here for our SummerSlam 2025 live reactions pod.
01:35:55
Speaker
Brock is back, baby.