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Episode 19: Thunderstorms, Friendly Competition, and a Norwegian Guest Appearance!
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Welcome to Episode 19 of Peak Pursuits, your ultimate podcast for everything trail running in Australia. This week’s episode is hosted by Sim Brick, Jess Jason and Brodie Nankervis, with a brief cameo interview from Anders Kjaerevik of Norway! The team brings you updates on their races, this week's results, and cover this week's trail running news.
Start - 44:00 :- Training/Race Talk - First up, hear about Jess’ build to Hounslow and the things she is learning along the way to her first trail marathon. Then hear about Brodies final preparations for Trofeo Kima including meeting up with Vlad in person for the first time for a hard long run! Then Sim gives an update on her race that wasn’t a race at the Golden Trail World Series in Poland.
44:00 - 48:50 :- Trail Running/Podcast News
***Peak Pursuits UTMB Shakeout Run*** - We are going to host our first live running event to try and get as many aussies and anyone else that wants to join as possible together in Chamonix during UTMB week! Details: Monday 26th August, Meet 8:30 am at the Bix Hydration Expo tent for an ~30min easy run. Post run hydration at the Bix tent!
Also in exciting news, the Australian Team for the Asia-Pacific Trail Running Championships in South Korea in October was announced by AUTRA this week! It includes two of the podcasts own as part of a very strong team to go tackle the short trail, long trail and junior races.
48:50 - 58:00 :- Listener Question - We tackle one listener question and one host question this week. The listener question comes in from Toby Sparkes and asks about how important ITRA points might be for world championship selection next year. Then Jess asks for advice about how to carry the mandatory 2L of fluid for Hounslow as she has never had to carry this amount before so Sim, Brodie and Anders all give their strategies.
58:00 - 1:14:20 :- Meet Anders! - Anders is adventuring around Krakow with Sim after the GTWS race so he jumps in for a quick cameo chat to hear some stories and a different approach to trail running. Hear about Ander’s home in Norway, his strava art, his homemade ‘Human sized hamster wheel’ treadmill, his homemade altitude chamber mishaps and how he has experimented with his training to get the best results.
1:14:20 - 1:22:00 :- Weekend Race Results
In our race results segment, we cover this week’s trail races, including:
Run Larapinta - https://tomatotiming.racetecresults.com/results.aspx?CId=16&RId=29690
Myponga Loop - https://eventstrategies.racetecresults.com/results.aspx?CId=90&RId=546
Glenbrook Trail Marathon - https://tempus.racetecresults.com/results.aspx?CId=16516&RId=390&EId=3
Cirque series - https://competitivetiming.com/results/2024/245535E
1:22:00 - End : What’s coming up - Lastly, we highlight the upcoming trail races around the country and what to look out for on the global scene.
Thanks for tuning in to Peak Pursuits! Connect with us on Instagram @peakpursuits.pod to share your thoughts, questions, and your own trail stories. Until next time, keep hitting the trails and chasing those peak pursuits!
Sim: @theflyingbrick_
Jess: @jessjason
Brodie: @brodie_nank
Anders: @andersponny
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Transcript
00:00:07
Speaker
Hello and welcome to Episode 19 of the Peak Suits Podcast. My name is Simone Brick. I am coming to you from Krakow in Holland this week and I am joined by Brody Nankervas. Brody, you're in Austria still? Yeah, I'm in Innersburg at the moment, here for the next few days.
00:00:30
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Yeah, it's pretty cool. I've never been here before. So that's, yeah, pretty exciting to be where World Champs was last year. Yeah. Yeah. And someone that was at that World Champs and has been to Innsbruck is also joining us. And that's Jess Jason, who's still holding down the fort for us back in Oz in her. How you doing Jess?
00:00:49
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Yeah, still holding down the fort in Australia. Very jealous of you guys in the warm weather. At my wit's end of bearing with winter. I can imagine. Ooh, yeah. never it gets It gets along at this point. um I believe Melbourne has been getting a few breaks in the weather. so um Cold wise, but maybe not Perth quite yet.
00:01:11
Speaker
But for this episode this week, we have all the usual segments coming at you. We've got a couple of listener questions. We've got some results. We've got some exciting announcements for things coming up to do with UTMB and yeah, all the fun. But to get us started, Jess, throwing it to you, how's the ah the build to Hounslow marathon going?
00:01:34
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Yeah, really good actually. Yeah, so last week I banked another pretty decent week. I have been dealing with a little bit of a plan to issue, which is like a very new injury to me. I've never had um anything like tendon related before. um So yeah, it's it's been okay. Like it just sort of pulls up really sore after big days. um And I'm just managing it with like ice and Um, some stretching and like loosening off the c calf and stuff like that. But yeah, it's probably something that I'm going to have to manage right up until the race day. Um, but my podiatrist isn't too worried that it's going to like affect the run or anything. But yeah, so Monday is the usual rest day and just like mobility in the gym. Tuesday, I did a track sesh, um, which was three sets of 1k, 60 seconds rest.
00:02:30
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400, 30 seconds or else 200. This is actually one of my favorite sessions, like we usually do four sets. um So I found this one really easy actually, and like I could really get moving. I'd... Even that 30 seconds off of 400 into a two? Like, what? I love that. I find that so fun. I don't know why. and To me that just sounds like pain on pain.
00:02:57
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I don't know, I just respond really well. And I just like, yeah, I love 200. So it just reminds me of like training for sprints as a junior. So yeah, good memories. So yeah, good to tap into some different energy systems in that one. And then Wednesday was just like a midweek long run ah through Bould Park.
00:03:16
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Thursday was just an easy jog, 12k. And then Friday was another one of my undulating tempos. So I got out to Kings Park again for that one. um And we're just sort of changing around the intervals. So this time I did five by nine minutes with one minute sort of float in between. That's a longer one than you've been doing, isn't it?
00:03:40
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Yeah, they've all been around 50 minutes, but I've just been adjusting the time that I'm at tempo and time that I'm at floats. So yeah, feeling pretty good. Yeah, it's good to take another one of those off because I feel like they really help with building that fitness and running for a long time with that elevated heart rate and getting used to that.
00:04:04
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Yeah, do you find that you actually do recover in that minute or, cause I know some people, even some people like coach, like they almost prefer just doing a continuous 50 minutes at effort than but having those minute breaks after each nine minutes because they just the change in pace and effort. I still like people to do it because I think it's good for them to try and teach your body to recover while still moving.
00:04:31
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But yeah, some people hate it, some people like it. So where do you sit in like, do you recover or do you feel like they kind of break your rhythm? I sometimes feel like it breaks my rhythm a little bit. um But I think it is good. Like it's a little bit more specific to trail running in a way because ah you do have those like little sections where you need to recover from like a climb or something like that. Yeah.
00:04:59
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hundred percent And I think like mentally, just because I'm doing these on my own, like it's easier to break it down into intervals as well. Like if I saw on paper like 50 minutes at tempo, like I'd be pretty scared to do that just like on my own. Yeah. Um, yeah, there's pros and cons to both. For sure. Nice. And then Saturday was just another easy 70 minutes. Um, and then Sunday I went out for a pretty cool long run. I've been meaning to head out to Mount Cook, which is
00:05:30
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ah one of the highest hills in the Darling Ranges. um oh So yeah, out in the Perth Alps, if you can call it that. um I don't think you quite can, but you can try. Doesn't quite compare to where you guys are, but I'll take it.
00:05:50
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um And I went out with Brendan Varia, who's i quite new to trail running as well, but he's done quite well. He used to live in, he's from Perth, but he used to live in Alice Springs. And he's ah podiumed at the Larapinto Trail. um um nice And he podiumed at BTU 100K this year as well. So I met him at the Perth Trail Series. He won the Black Course that I did a couple of weeks ago.
00:06:18
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fire um Yeah, so we just went out um on the Bibliman track, so the Bibliman track goes over um three different sort of peaks out there, and we just did like an out and back, so 32-ish K, three and a half hours. um Pretty decent gain for Purr, so 1,300. And it was super technical, so I was happy with that. like It was good definitely good like training for Hanzo.
00:06:43
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um just like practicing those climbs on tired legs when you're still having to like navigate rocks and like slippery trails and like a lot of the peaks are like just granite outcrops so you get to the top and it's just like because it was uh raining heaps as well like it's just like this granite outcrop with like super slippery like moss everywhere so yeah super fun um technical and very happy to have company on that one nice that's a solid week how many case did you get in um 114. Yeah, I was thinking two thousand that's massive. 300. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. I was really happy with that. You must be feeling like pretty good for Hounslow, especially like doing that long run off the back of like a big training week. And like that long run doesn't seem.
00:07:30
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too far off what you're going to have to do at Hounslow. Yeah, I'm getting more and more confident like each time I bank a week like this. I'm still like a little bit unsure about like the six being on my feet for six over six hours, yeah um how that's going to go. because never sort of touched that realm before. But yeah, I've got to start planning like what I'm actually, I mean, would you guys just have gels for six hours? Like that's something that I'm thinking about now. Like, should I be having solid food in that time? So it is like quite a long time. So when I raced even personally for me, but this is because it's what I've always done. Even when I raced, um, Old Ghost 85K, so I did eight hours and I did that purely on fluids, not even gels.
00:08:14
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And I loved it. like That is just what works for me. So, yeah, like it's it's always a case of what you think is going to be good for you as long as you're getting the amount of energy in that you need. Where it's coming from matters less, but then some people do get the like hunger sensations of like wanting something in their stomach or things like that. so I think this one, to be honest, your first one's always going to be a bit of an experiment on that front. And all you can do is go in, going you do what you do on long runs usually. So I wouldn't change anything up from what you're doing on these long runs and what you're doing in training on that race day. And you may find that it's not enough or it it it is different because of the time on feet in the race at the effort, but you're not going to know until you're there, I think, unfortunately.
00:09:07
Speaker
There's only so much you can prepare for something you've never done before. yeah That's true. Yeah. I reckon I'll just do what I've been doing on my long runs and then see how I go change it for the next one. I would always just opt for ah every aid station. Like even though I'm doing this, my race is only on fluids because there's always so many, aids well, there's always aid stations along the way. I always have about five to 10 backup plan nutrition things at aid stations.
00:09:36
Speaker
or if things are going wrong. Like in my drop bags, even though I've never had to rely on them, I have put in gels, I've put in solids, I've put in chips, I've put in all sorts of things so that if I get there and I need it, it's there. That's the one of the best things about aid stations and like, yeah, maybe on the race, you figure out how much you've been taking in on long runs, but you always carry a little more than you need um because you want emergency rations.
00:10:06
Speaker
But yeah, what about you, Brady? Yeah, like I, I haven't done, yeah like, KEMA next week will be my longest race and probably one of my longest runs. So I've just been training how I want to race. So I've just been trying to take the same nutrition in like a few key training runs. It's hard because like, if you do a ah four to five hour training run, then you're actually burning through so much nutrition. It makes the training run quite expensive, but I think.
00:10:34
Speaker
That ends up being a benefit on race day. If you can try and use the exact stuff, like, cause there's always a tendency for me to want to go, I'll have some use the bars instead, or I'll, I'll cut some corners and take other stuff. I'll have less carbs than I'm going to have on race day, or I'll substitute it for cheaper stuff. But then you get to race day and it's not the same. So I think like the one thing I try and do is have the same.
00:10:59
Speaker
And then do it for a few key, key training runs. So you don't have to do it every weekend, but like in the build up for chemo, I had like one really specific run where I did the exact nutrition of what I'm trying to do. And it probably cost me 20 bucks, but.
00:11:17
Speaker
So what that's that'll mean I'll pay 20 bucks to have a good day on race day. I was gonna say that's not even that expensive but um I've had runs before that I've calculated have cost me like 80 bucks in nutrition but it's uh I'm being optimistic I'm assuming it was actually closer to 50 but I'd like to i I'm not going to add up the mess because that'll just make me sad.
00:11:38
Speaker
but perfect I will say that the further I get into trail and doing like, as much as I've only raced one eight hour race, I'm the sort of person that as soon as Tim tells me I'm off the reins and I can do long, I can do whatever training I want. I'm going straight out for like a 10 hour run. So I've done plenty of like overnight runs, 10 hours, 12 hours. Like I love doing the longer stuff, but the more I've done it, the less I felt the need to mimic exactly what I'm doing on race day and training. So.
00:12:06
Speaker
rather than do it every week. At the beginning, when I was getting used to it, I was every week trying to follow my race nutrition plan. Now I pick, as Brody's just said, I pick one long run where I actually do race nutrition, which for me is just fluids.
00:12:20
Speaker
And honestly, the rest of the time I like lollies. So I buy cheap, awesome packets of lollies and just eat lollies and music bars and random, whenever I can find banana bread or anything on my runs to make it just, I dunno, more interesting. Cause what I race on is not what I necessarily enjoy on long runs. Um, so yeah, it'll adapt as you go Jess, but I just treat it like great big learning curve, be ready for anything. Yeah. Sounds good. Very solid week.
00:12:50
Speaker
Very, very solid. Where's the confidence level at for the race? Um, it's getting better. Yeah. Like I'm starting to feel pretty confident about it now. Only 10 more Ks than what you did on the weekend. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You got it. You'll be good. I think, I think you need some of my confidence and I need some of your training.
00:13:13
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yeah
00:13:16
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Oh, truth, truth. But speaking of your training, Brady, how's the week been? Yeah like it's uh I've been in Austria uh this week so yeah I came off the the chemo recce which I did last yeah like two weeks ago um and yeah I was actually pretty I think when I swear we talked last week I was saying I was a bit tired legs were a bit heavy um and yeah that sort of persisted a little bit into the start of this week so on on the Monday I'd i'd had two easy days after the recce so I wanted to sort of
00:13:52
Speaker
get the legs turning over again so I plan to do like a flat threshold session along a lake here and I thought oh I might not be given I've been a bit heavy I'll just do five by five minutes which is less I would usually do about 30 minutes of threshold so I was like oh yeah that should be achievable and then I got like two reps in and I was like oh my god my legs are heavy but I was like two reps out so I did two reps back and just went off heart rate but it wasn't incredibly pretty um and it was really hot I think as well. It was like we we must have done it at about 11am because they did it after the podcast and it was maybe like 32, 33 and in the sun so I think my body was just struggling a little bit but it was good to get it done. um
00:14:37
Speaker
but heat gains Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I was like, Oh, well, I've gone off heart rate and I did. I literally felt like I couldn't do any more than 20 minutes of threshold. So I was like, yeah, that's a tick the box, even though it wasn't an amazing session. I think most of the time it's just about getting out there and doing something. Um, so off the back of that, I had a couple of.
00:14:57
Speaker
easy days um and then I'd plan to do sort of two more sort of more specific trail sessions in the week. So the first one I did on Thursday, so I had two easy days and then on Thursday um and the plan was to do this one as more of a like a broken threshold or broken tempo uphill. um I was thinking of, I sort of think for the race I'll probably try and sit for heart rate wise or effort wise around sort of low, low threshold or what I would call sort of low threshold where it's like.
00:15:33
Speaker
around like 170 just high 160s because I feel like I can climb at that for quite some time. um So the plan was to do like five by 10 minutes at that which I've done a few times before races like this. yeah But then when I got started my achilles had been a bit of a bit grumpy I think maybe the threshold on the flat after with heavy legs just meant I loaded up my achilles a little bit more it was a little bit grumpy after that so When I started climbing I just felt like I couldn't get my heart rate up so I decided just to do a continuous climb. um So I did about it. I think it was I'd planned to climb about 1400 to get up to this peak and I was just going to continue up and I finished my efforts.
00:16:14
Speaker
um So I just did that straight out. I think it was like an hour 25 and I was in the sort of low to mid 160. So probably somewhere where I would fit in on race day, um, somewhere between there and high one sixties is probably where I think my effort will sit, but it felt like a little bit easier than I felt like I could do in a race. Um, but that was good, good, solid, had a really nice climb. Um, and then like a nice descent, the Achilles wasn't really giving me any grief on the descent. So I sort of.
00:16:43
Speaker
let myself go a bit harder and practice the sort of technical stuff so that was good two and a half hours and then yeah had a couple more easy days and then I caught up with Vlad on Sunday and this one I had planned to do one continuous effort. I only wanted to do 90 minutes to two hours in total so I wanted to do the climb around an hour 75 minutes so I ah met up with Vlad which was awesome and we did a climb in the valley where he was staying and this one I did manage to get the heart rate up a little bit higher mostly because Vlad was pushing me
00:17:19
Speaker
And he's a good climber. I didn't know, this is the first time I've met as well, I'd face-to-face, and I'm starting to figure out, I don't know, it's hard to know who's good at climbing and whatnot, but he's a bit shorter than I expected, and he's just like this little, he's just flown up, flying up the hill, so it was good to... It was good to chase him. And he let me off. He said, I can't climb as well because I'm a bit bigger than him. So I took that as a compliment that I'm nice and strong. But yeah, no, it was a good solid effort. We did 70 minute climb. It was like 1,350 meters. So we went through 1,000 meters of climbing in about 50
00:18:03
Speaker
51 or something like that. um And there's similar gradient, similar trails to what I will expect at Kima. So the first climb at Kima is 14k, 2000 meters of climb. um And I'm sort of wanting to do that in about to just over two hours, like two hours, two hours 10. So I think what I did with Vlad was probably about the right intensity, maybe back that off a little bit, because it'll be a bit of a longer climb. So yeah, it was really good. And then we did the descent a little bit faster. Vlad was, I thought I'd be able to beat him on the descent and then he took off. So it was, um yeah, it was ah was a... Yeah it was nice we were flying down the descent so it was good fun and put to chat through some things about the race get a few insights from Vlado he's obviously very experienced he's done a lot of racing so um yeah it was nice to chat to him about that as well as just things generally in the trail running world so yeah really enjoyable good way to finish the week.
00:19:02
Speaker
but love a good friendly competitive long run. Yeah. Yeah. Like I was like, Oh, but when we were climbing, I was like, Oh, okay. This is like, this is a good effort for me. Like this is what I wanted. And I thought Vlad was doing it easy. And then we got to the top and he was like, yeah, that was actually pretty hard. My heart rate was a bit higher than last time I did that. And we were faster than when he did it like a week before. So I took that as a positive. That was my week. How many Ks and elevation was that for the week?
00:19:29
Speaker
uh like it wasn't a massive week in the end i think i did like 90k maybe like nine hours of running and three and a half thousand meters of climbing so it wasn't excessively long but um yeah i sort of was like a mini it planned to be like a little bit of a mini tape a week i'm feeling pretty good today and i've got five days to erase day so yeah feeling pretty confident and then looking forward to getting into some solid weeks after keema i feel like i'm into the rhythm a little bit of since world champs i think it's been a bit of a like just
00:20:02
Speaker
bit of a shock to try and get back into into the mountains and trails and all that stuff. So um I feel like this has been a good adjustment period. And then after chemo, once I've recovered, I'll be able to sort of build up for the ah later half of the season. Nice, nice. I'm so excited to follow chemo. How far is chemo? It's 52k with 4,200 meters of climb. um Wow. So yeah, it's yeah, I still have not much idea. I'm trying to get some like
00:20:33
Speaker
figures have something to go off in my hair but I'm I'm being pretty flexible with them and not letting myself like my my goal today will not let myself get beaten up if I'm behind because it's just I feel like it's going to be very unpredictable yeah so yeah the first the thing is the first climb is is um like the first seven k's on the road uh and then And then it's sort of a mixture of really steep trails and some flutter trails for the second part of the climb. And then once you get past the first pass, it's just incredibly technical. So I'll probably like let myself probably go at the intensity that I did yesterday with LAD. No harder than that, but I'll let myself go to that intensity and then
00:21:15
Speaker
Cause I feel like when we were running after the climb, I felt fine. Like I felt like I was, my legs were fine. I was able to technically run really no issues. like I couldn't feel fatigued. It was more the limit on the climb for me was more the sort of like, I guess physiological rather than the legs sort of burning up too much. So yeah, I'll probably give myself a license not to push push on the climb, but to to sort of try and sort of stick a, do a decent climb. And then in the technical section, just whatever happens, I guess I'm not going to put too many time limits on that section. Cause I don't, like it's, yeah, I think it's quite impossible to actually know how I'll feel. Yeah. Nice. Well, I'm looking forward to tracking and following along as you go. Cause it'll be, there's lots of, obviously as usual with Kima, very good runners. So it's going to be a cool one to follow. So I suppose my week.
00:22:07
Speaker
ah Things continue to be a rollercoaster. That's pretty much all I can say, man. So obviously after last week, things slowly improved. um in a way, but my week started on Monday, um just after we recorded that podcast, actually. My whole idea was that my shin and my um tib and tendon was still really, really not good, but also I wanted to see the course, like I wanted to keep myself in the mindset of
00:22:41
Speaker
I'm racing, I'm here, I'm preparing to race. like We're doing this and it's like I want to be as prepared as possible. so And I was talking through with my my coach and my physio all of this. So we decided that I would check as much of the courses I could manage on that Monday um because then I would be able to just stick to the flat and not do anything crazy for the next five days or four days while I um let it recover into the race. So what that equated to was I made it 19Ks, which to be fair, I actually made it about 6Ks in actually running.
00:23:20
Speaker
and then I was getting this the whole drop foot feeling of like I couldn't really lift my foot very well and a few steps were really painful and I thought about turning around but then I would have just be back on the gravel road and I was like no I want to see like if this happens on race day can I hike and can it come good and as soon as I stopped and hiked it was actually fine, um which was nice to know, so that was a good strategy, but it still meant that I was moving super slow, so I didn't make it. I made it, I made sure I made it to at least one viewpoint, so that I could see some of the frickin' Thatcher mountains, because at this point, I just really wanted to see views, so
00:24:01
Speaker
Yeah, in the end, it was 19k, like 900 up and down. The downhill was not comfortable, but by the end, the last few k's of the race, what was meant to be the race, were like, were pretty flat. And I was able to run them again, and it didn't feel too sore at all. So I took quite a bit of confidence in a way from the fact that, you okay, yeah, it wasn't great. Okay. Like it would slow me down, but at the same time, the fact that it managed that, I was like, okay, it's,
00:24:30
Speaker
Like race is nine more Ks and you're on a race day. So I was kind of at the end of that going, I think I'm going to make it. I was just scared how much it was going to hurt. But the main reason I actually turned around and didn't, I would have done the whole course, which is probably a good thing I didn't, but I had managed to get in for an orthopedic specialist appointment that afternoon. Um, cause that's the people apparently in Poland that you go see for an ultrasound and then had an ultrasound, um, with that guy. It was lovely. Um, thankfully I found a doctor that spoke English. Um, so had an ultrasound. It was deemed that I had no, like,
00:25:10
Speaker
acute really bad tears or anything. It was diagnosed at that point which this kind of annoyed me because I was like, I might have done things differently if I hadn't known because it was diagnosed as Tino Sinovitis rather than any like tendinitis kind of things. Like obviously it was an acute kind of injury so the tendon was slightly inflamed but it was more the the sheath and I had something called crepitus, which is where like, you move your foot. Like for me, it would me move my foot and the front of my shin felt crunchy. And like, if you put your fingers there, it felt shocking. Still does to be fair. But the good thing about tinnosynovitis in a way is that it responds a lot better to rest than tendinitis. Like it's just this, the inflammation around the tendon. So like, if you rest it rather than do what a tendon does where it can stiffen up and get more sore, it just usually improves.
00:25:59
Speaker
So I might have rested more than that, but I knew it now. So obviously the next day I did absolutely nothing other than some good old no standing Pilates. So I pretty much spent a day like just not moving, um which four days out from a race mentally did my head end.
00:26:21
Speaker
But physically was a really good idea. So that had me feeling better again. But then on the next day, which is now we're at the Wednesday races on the Saturday, I went out for about an hour.
00:26:36
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um And in that hour I did a bit of a pick up like almost just not a session but like just get my legs moving see how it feels so I did five minutes steady and then five by one minute on one minute off which I've done heaps of times before races normally I do 10 minutes steady but I was keeping it chill.
00:26:54
Speaker
um and that was better at the beginning, but worse by the end. So again, I was like, damn, okay. Not much I can do about it other than keep icing, keep resting. So again, it was another afternoon of lying in bed with my ankle, with my leg up and icing it every 40 minutes or so. And the next day, the Thursday, again, like there was a lot of sitting on my ass this week. I did absolutely nothing. And so this weekend now was two days out from the race.
00:27:25
Speaker
Yeah, I was just trying not to freak out. I must admit, like, I was like, I'm going to make it to the start line because I'm not going to do enough between now and the start of the race to make it so I can't. Um, but I also just wasn't at all sure how it was going to go. The one thing I had going for me is that obviously because I was resting, it wasn't very sore at all at any point throughout the day. So I was like.
00:27:48
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almost able to forget that it was sore sometimes. But yeah, then the day before the race, I will also say all these days, it was bright and sunny and hot. Like the weather was amazing all week, which is makes it the what happened on the actual weekend even sadder. But the day before the race, I just did a 30 minute shakeout and that was good. Like um I could still feel it, but it was the most stable and like just consistently like it felt like I had full control of my ankle but I could still just feel a little bit of awareness of the tendon so I was like it no longer feels like I'm I'm running on something that's about to give way it feels like I'm running on something that's just letting me know it's there which was a really good feeling so
00:28:34
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Yeah, that was the day before just a 30-minute run. And then the that evening, so the night before the race, we all get this message saying, thunderstorms are due tomorrow afternoon, so we're moving the race from 9.40am to 8.40am, which I was like, sweet, if you ask me, that's better anyway. um I would prefer to be out there earlier.
00:28:56
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So everything flips and we all get there much earlier than planned. And I think it must have been about, I was about to warm up when we were starting at 8.40. So it must have been about 8am, 8.10. It starts bucketing down with rain. And then by like 8.15, there's already lightning and thunder.
00:29:17
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And so we were warming up. Like I did a 2k job warmup in the rain. Like it was already, you got, you were getting soaked during your warmup. So there was nothing you could do about it. So we were going through all the motions of like getting ready to race on the start line. And I was freaking loving life being back among all the elite women. And the last few days, like I'd been able to catch up with a few people and it was just this reminder of like, yeah, this is why I'm here and why I do this. Cause it's amazing.
00:29:42
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And yeah, warmed up with some of the girls. Um, and then we got to the start line and I must admit you could, like I was thinking on the start line, if this was a race in Australia, there is no way they are starting us right now. Like there is lightning in the sky. There is zero chance that they would actually start this race. And like in hindsight, the one, the one thing that would have changed how the day ran would be if they didn't start us at that point in time. And.
00:30:12
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we all waited until later in the day, which may have changed nothing but might have given us a chance. But anyways, I'm doing strides um and ah the sad thing for me though that had me a little bit freaked out was that the 2k warm-up I did, I don't know if it was because it was cold or what was going on but or just I'm anxious because I'm pre-race, it was more sore than the day before.
00:30:34
Speaker
And then I went to do a couple of strides. I went to do one stride and it, it hurt quite a lot. And so at that point, I'm like, okay, no more strides. We just have to get in the race and see what happens. Cause there's nothing I can do from here. But I had this little moment about five minutes before the start where I called Matt and I was like, Matt, I can't do strides. The race is about to go. And I don't even know if I'm going to make it the first K like, what am I doing here?
00:30:59
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and he calm he's always good calming voice just was like you're gonna get on the start line and follow all the other girls like just go so it was fine but also as we were doing strides i kind of was like you knew we weren't gonna make it round i think like it wasn't it was pretty obvious so Yeah. Anyways, we start and honestly, this start line was f freaking incredible. You both would have loved it. We're there on the start line. They play the earthquake song, which everyone would have heard before. It's the golden trail song. They're getting you all napped up and we run down the most amazing start shoot with like, um, ah smoke guns and like fire things going off beside us as we're running down the shoots. And obviously there's all the people there and like massive fanfare. So much fun.
00:31:42
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And I'm just there like, yes, we're back, like let's go. Like it's it's hard not to get excited in that sort of environment running down the carpet. um And yeah, we settled into the race and I was surprised. It was like, I think it was just my anxiety at the start, but with the strides and everything of like only being able to focus on my shin. Cause once I was in the race focused, it was just like things were flowing. I was feeling really, really good.
00:32:11
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And it was, and I did make one mistake early on, about 800 metres into the race after being on the road, we took a sharp turn onto a single track. And so I found myself like a K into the race, pretty much standing still because there was traffic. And I was like, I really maybe should have taken off a bit faster here because this is the sort of terrain that I would be moving a lot faster on if I was ahead of these girls. But live and learn.
00:32:37
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um So yeah, essentially how the race was panning out for me was that these races I fricking love because there's constant changing of positions. There's girls around everywhere. Like the entire time we were out racing, I could probably see I was either in a group of five to 10 girls, or I could see five to 10 girls within the immediate distance ahead of me that I was changing positions with and stuff. It's just the.
00:33:03
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most race environment like I get in ever because I'm locked in and like focused. But what happened essentially was that we made it through the first little bit and there was one downhill that went for about a K that I ran. And I, I was definitely worried because it was painful, but it didn't feel like it was bad pain, like the level that would be, I would ever stop for.
00:33:29
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um but I wasn't able to run that downhill as fast as I would normally run it because I was trying not to aggravate my shin too much when I knew that there was a long uphill coming and I needed it good. So I still made up a few places on that downhill and then I think I went through the 8k aid station in about 22nd place but by this point obviously West close to the start so everyone's bunched and so we're all like close together um and then all it the next like what is it three and a half k we just run up a gravel road like it's non-technical it's uphill but it's completely non-technical and everyone's running and
00:34:10
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I was feeling great, I was like making up positions, losing some positions to other people and it was all feeling good and then in my head things were clearing up in the sky so we've got some pretty cool footage of us running through insane rain and the path we were running up a hill on a gravel road was like a flood as we were running through it. It was Some of the most wild weather I've ever run in, which I loved, but it started to clear up a little bit. You kind of looked ahead and you're like, oh, maybe, maybe we we'll pull this off and maybe it'll happen. So I'm then like gearing up and getting prepared for the technical terrain and like thinking in my head, okay, what at this aid station, what do I need? What are we doing?
00:34:49
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And then you turn a corner, run down a hill, and as I'm running into the A station, I see, I think the first person I saw was Joyline, Chepgano, I think is how you pronounce it, but like she would have been winning. And I was, then I see a bunch of the other athletes, like all off to the side of the trail. And as I'm running down, there's just like,
00:35:10
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Um, a guy standing there with his arms in a cross and like making like hands to the throat kind of stop kind of signals. And I'm looking and I'm like, wait, what? What's happening? And everyone was so confused because like there was no one there that seemed to be full. Like obviously they were telling us to stop, but then there was no further information. It was like, you're stopping here.
00:35:37
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That's all for now. um ah We were like, are we restarting? Is this a pause or is this a we're done? And we didn't know for like the first 20 minutes, everyone was trying to guess. They're like, are they going to just hold us for a bit and then let us go again? Or like what's happening? um And so you go from running in the rain and like gearing up to race to just, they was a random little restaurant there and they huddled us all into the restaurant, gave us blankets and warm tea.
00:36:04
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And then finally at some point they were like, no, you're done. It's canceled. And then they were like, there's a bus five K's away. You've got a job to the bus. Um, so yeah, it was a new one for the experience books in many ways. Um, like I don't, I, part of me was like, look at the end of the day, this could be a blessing in disguise for me and my shin and the injury I had carrying in.
00:36:30
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But at the same time, like I've been gearing up to Tatra for like six months. So it felt like six months of getting geared up for this race that you're really raring to go for. And like it was going for where I wanted to be. It was going so well, better than like, I felt in many ways better than I'd felt in any of my golden trail races.
00:36:55
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more mentally maybe than physically just because I was there and I was like, I'm in this and I belong here and we're going. Like, I'm, I can't explain it fully because it's like just my mental pattern and everything that I was thinking as I was racing. I was so freaking happy with it. And then, yeah, done it was it was, it kind of screws with my season, not gonna lie. They obviously have changed some of the rules. ah So I was gonna have,
00:37:22
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three out of the four races that count for points because it was going to be four races, then the final. And I was going to have three quarters of them, which gave me a chance at least of catching up points wise. And like, it's still semi possible, but now I'm only going to have two out of three, which two thirds is less than three quarters, unfortunately. Um, so I don't have much of a chance to catch up now from where I, where I sit, because I'm only going to have two races. Uh, but like.
00:37:51
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mother nature wins sometimes and it's not as though if I can argue or feel like I'm hard done by too much because like there's absolutely nothing anyone can do about it and we found out they didn't even start the men so the men just didn't they didn't start at all but a lot of the men then ran in the 15k event that went off at 1pm that day um because that race still ran so they still kind of got a bit of a race out Um, which is good for them, but that they didn't count a golden trailer or anything. The whole golden trail thing was just canceled. So it was by the time like I got back to my, a calm and like complete, obviously I'm staying by myself. So I just got back to my common walked in the door at about the time. I thought I'd be finishing the race. And I was like, this is, this is weird. Cause now I've just got to like pack my luggage and get ready to go. But we still partied hard. I dunno.
00:38:45
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I don't know what to think. Yeah, it's a yeah you yeah it sucks. like um I don't know. the yeah There's not much you can really like do other than just take the experience from it and try and take the positives that like your shin was feeling okay. like Your mental state was really strong. and try and take that into the next race. I know it screws with your season, but try and think back to where you were last year. Like you would have been so happy just to be there and being in that one race. 100%. And I still am. Like obviously I'd prefer to be here and this happened and not be here at all. Like 100% on so many levels and like,
00:39:25
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a race ending like this when it's going well is still a good confidence boost. Um, because it's like, well, I'm like, I am sitting where I thought I was sitting sort of fitness wise and all those sorts of things, which is nice. Um, and yeah, like part of me was like, this is a long way to come to run 10 K's on the gravel road from Australia. Um, but it's like you you got to laugh and move on, right? There's yeah. So.
00:39:55
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Now I've got, what, four weeks until my next race, um and so it's just back to but to training. The good thing is that I took, so the race was Saturday, um I probably didn't do my um shin any favours in the three hours of dancing that evening.
00:40:14
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But those were pain free thanks to good old alcohol. But um then I took Sunday completely off. So today, as we record this on Monday though, I ran two hours this morning and it felt pretty fine. So I feel like I've come turn the corner, dodged a bullet. So in some ways, i'm if I let myself think about it too much, I'm about as bummed as they get for something I've worked towards so hard towards. but There's a lot to look forward to and there's a lot that is going to be good moving forward. So yeah, sometimes this is how it goes sometimes.
00:40:54
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Oh, where did you run today? I'm in Krakow, so just around the city. me I found some trails and I've got who actually I think is going to be coming in for a cameo soon on the podcast. Someone who's running Trofeo next week, Unders, I'm not going to try and pronounce his surname. He can figure that out for us when he gets here because he's um he's Norwegian and he was running Tatra. So I went for a run with him this morning and yeah, it was just around the city and found some trails and ah weird little mountain thing. Like it was only 300 meters, but it had a proper flag at the summit and everything. So it was a bit of fun. But yeah, just onto Chamonix tomorrow and see how we go. No, was gonna I was going to ask um soone what place you were in. Like I know it doesn't exactly mean heaps, but like what what position were you in when you had to stop? So i boom when we had to stop, I was in 24th.
00:41:46
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But, like, when you look at where everyone was sitting, I think I was, like, Joeline, she was actually a fair way ahead by the looks of it. She was about five minutes up the road. But between me and, say, top 15, I think was about a minute to 90 seconds. And for me to top, like, I think eighth person even, like, me so me and 24 all the way up to eighth was maybe three minutes. um So, like, yeah, everyone was still fairly bunched. I was actually, and this is because absolute respect to her, I think she's a frickin' beast and I love her and what she manages to do, but Marlon,
00:42:32
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um Ossa, who is, she's that currently sitting second in the series. Because the road was quite open and you could see quite far ahead. I was kind of keeping tabs on where she was. And I was about 60 seconds behind her when we got to there. Because I was like, well, she's someone similar that will do the technical faster. um Because you're always like, you're always trying to gauge off the people around you. And I was around people that i but I have a lot of friends in the series. And it was really cool. Because as you pass people, you're like, oh, hi, I haven't seen you in two years. But hi.
00:43:01
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um so I was sitting in a good. That's a good position. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that must give you some confidence for the American races at least. Yes. Although they're not very, I don't think they're very technical and suit me as much, but yeah one thing that it gives me confidence for it is that we hadn't hit any technical stuff already anyway. So like it's not as if we hadn't, like there was no downhills that I'd even had a chance to make use of cause we'd done that uphill to this point, which in my head used to be.
00:43:31
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where I would not be able to pass people, but I was actually, every time it got slightly steeper, I was actually passing people. And I was like, holy moly, my training has worked. Yeah, that's great. so So, yeah, we were happy. I was very, very happy. Cool. And on to Chamonix now. On to Chamonix now. Exactly. On to Chamonix, which, um yeah, I'm looking forward. i'm of I'm not racing anything in Chamonix, but I'll be there just up until the end of OCC.
00:44:00
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And speaking of Chamonix, we are going to do a, for any, but to be fair, absolutely anyone can join, but obviously this is going out mostly to Aussies. So for a Peak Pursuits group.
00:44:12
Speaker
shake out for anyone that wants to, any and all people welcome. And it's going to happen to be on my 30th birthday, on the morning of... Birthday party. Exactly. Now, Maddie Reynolds, I think, if you're listening as well, you'd better come, but ah she's... It's her birthday as well. We've both got the same birthday and she's going to be there too.
00:44:31
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We're going to call it a great big birthday party. I'm going to go on a much longer adventure afterwards is the plan, but it's going to be because plum people will be racing a 30 minute shakeout on Monday, 26th of August meeting at the Bix hydration tent, which is by the river. We're going to put a pin on our Instagram. So keep an eye on there.
00:44:52
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I'm going to meet there at 8.30 AM m post-run hydration provided by Bix and optional stay on for breakfast a nice breakfast afterwards. um I'm essentially going to do a massive fuel up and then go off on a great big mountain adventure. But yeah, anyone and everyone welcome. Hopefully we can get as many Aussies as possible to come along and you can have a great big Aussie meetup in France in Chamonix because there's going to be quite a few of us there.
00:45:20
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so It'll be fun. See how we go. This will be our first first ah first little event put on by the podcast. Yeah, cool. I'm ashamed I'm going to miss an out. But it'll be good. Yeah, I know. It will be. In other fun news trail announcements we have from Ortra. The team announced for the Asia Pacific Trail Running Championships in South Korea in October. And our very own Jess Jason happens to be on this team.
00:45:50
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go Jess. So to get through all of them, Autra did this announcement a few days ago, but it's in the women's long course. We have ah Kelly Emerson, which is exciting. I'm so keen to see how she goes. In the men's long course, we have Mikey Dimuentes and Matt Crean. In the women's short course is Patricia McKibben, Sarah Ludo,
00:46:14
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Ludoichi is her full name, and then Jess Jason, our very own. In the men's short course, Billy Curtis, Blake Turner, Vlad Ixl, so we're two for four in this sofa, and Charlie Hamilton. In the women's under 23 is Zoe Manning and Amy Stockwell, and in the men's under 23 is Toby Lang and Ethan Pink.
00:46:39
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So congrats, Jess. How are you feeling? Yeah, excited. Um, it looks beautiful over in South Korea where the race is. So very excited to get on a overseas trip. Very jealous of you guys. So yeah. Yeah, yeah it's keen. Very, very exciting. Now, Brody, are you still, you're still going to do the race?
00:47:01
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Yeah, so I'm going to be in Korea. um I can I did get an individual entry um from the organizers. They sort of got this team entry as well as individual entry based off interest scores. um So I'm tossing up between doing that and doing the Sky Race, which is on the next day. um So I'm actually probably going to see how Kima goes first in terms of how I recover because i I'm going to run Grampians 50K in November and and that's a bit of a a goal at the moment. So ah yeah, I'll see how how I recover from chemo, how long that takes and and then yeah, maybe think about which distance I want to run in Korea. um But yeah, the team is super strong. So it's awesome to see how how many people put their hands up and um both the men and the women short trail I think have a will have a full team. I think it's your top three runners count. So
00:47:59
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And I think both of those two teams can do really well. So yeah, it's awesome to see some really high quality runners selected and, um, yeah. And two orienteers in the under 23 for the men. So Ethan and Toby represent. Nice. Nice. Yeah, cool.
00:48:16
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Yeah, well, we're going to, we'll follow along in the lead up to this. Obviously we've got Blue Flatt and Jess in the team. So, um, we'll try and do a bit of a, a lead in series for this championship and also explain all the team points and how the scoring is going to work so that everyone can keep track of everything on the day and see how Team Oz is doing. But that's at the end of October, um, 23 to 27, I think is the dates of it all. So.
00:48:43
Speaker
Yeah, keep an eye on that. But team finally announced. I think that's it for news. We'll move on to listener question and we'll quickly do this before I'm going to intro. We've got a guest coming in. So we're going to do the, it's a short one for this one, but how Toby Sparks has asked, how valuable do you think Itra points will be for qualifying for Worlds next year?
00:49:10
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Now this ties into the selection of this team for Asia Pacific Champs because obviously for Asia Pacific Champs, Itra points proved to be reasonably important. They weren't the be all and end all in the end, but they were important. um But for Worlds next year, which is a different kettle of fish, I think Toby was essentially asking how much, what is it a good idea to go chasing Itra points now or what are the selectors going to be looking at?
00:49:38
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um I'll quickly say that it's not announced yet because the selection policy will come out later. um So we're not actually technically going to know until the selection policy's out. But how much, Jess, actually this is good for both of you, how much do both of you know about the previous selections and how it worked?
00:50:00
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ah I only know about like last year's one which seemed to be more like discretion-based. um Yeah, because you just sort of like submitted a few different race results that you thought might um make you eligible and then they the team at Athletics Australia decided. Yeah. Brody, you've never nominated, have you? Or you have? No, I nominated...
00:50:25
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I nominated in Thailand and I think there was a there was like selection because I've been done the mountain distances the selection races and I got selected but then I couldn't run at a stress fracture so unfortunately didn't get to go to Thailand and then Austria I think was the I also nominated there and ah there was some selection races but because um they were like I think a little bit delayed in releasing them. There was two races on the same weekend that were both selection races and then they picked from from those races. I think it was a bit a bit of a tricky one for them. So it was sort of like some races but then discretion on top of that. um So yeah I think in regards to Toby's question it seems like at this stage based off history probably
00:51:13
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not super important to go chasing intra points, but I also don't know how you go chasing intra points. I think it's quite hard to predict when you will get good points from different races. So I guess it's more about having good racing performances over the distance that you want to do at World Champs and then keep an eye out to see if there's any specific selection races. But I guess what you can do this year is run races that are similar to what you would like to run at World Champs and then you'll be able to submit them along with your nomination, I guess.
00:51:43
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is my guess. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say, like I've nominated and not run them all because I couldn't, I got selected and couldn't then run Austria. But I've, um, the last like what, four world champs on the mountain running and then trial running side. But, um, all of them have been a very similar process. Like you nominate, you see, you put in three results that you want them to consider highest for you.
00:52:09
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Um, so when you put your nomination form in, you put in, yeah, what you've done for those three races and sort of why you think you should be in the team. Uh, and that I believe is they're they're the races that they weight the highest. Now, obviously there is auto spots up for grabs. Um, the auto spots usually come from our national champs. So I think the first couple of times I just got the auto spot and didn't have to nominate at all. Well, had to nominate, but knew you were in the team as soon as you did then. Yeah. So I.
00:52:38
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and If history is anything to go off, itra points won't really matter at all. ah But I will also say that if you're going to do races that have itra points, like you're not going to lose anything by bumping your itra points up um by trying to target races that actually give them to you. um As Brady said, it can be quite unpredictable as to which ones will end up being higher or lower. um But yeah, I'd say more.
00:53:05
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ae in some ways it's more important the head to heads or like who you're racing against because that's why the national championships can turn out to be important or any other race where you know a bunch of people who are nominating for the team are racing because head to heads almost always count for a lot if there's a case where like they're trying to decide between two athletes and the two athletes happen to have some head to head races like obviously they're going to look at that. So um I would personally always seek out the most competitive races against other athletes that do want to go. Hopefully that answers your question, Toby. um Feel free to answer any, to ask any follow-up questions after that. And just quickly, this one's also to help Jess out. And Brody, I want to hear your tactics. The carrying fluid, because Jess, as you said, what's the mandatory amount for Hounslow? Two litres.
00:53:59
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Two liters, and yeah, I can't say I've ever carried that before. I already find one liter pretty hefty, so a bit worried. And I don't know how to do it, so please give me your advice. Yeah. Brodie, what's the most fluid you've carried while racing? Uh, I've probably only like carried a liter. Like I've had to carry like...
00:54:20
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had to have three litre capacity and a few right oh in one race at GPT and maybe like two litre capacity. But I don't think I've ever had it full. Maybe I've had a litre and a half actually like carrying. um Yeah. But yeah, I guess that's the first distinct like the first thing like does it is it how much you have to carry or is it how much you have to have capacity to carry um because then it's then if it's just capacity to carry you can throw in empty bottles if you don't like personally want all of that fluid so that's the first thing to check um but then yeah if I've had if I think if I would need to carry like two litres I'd probably yeah use just like my
00:55:06
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normal 500 mil floss, try and fit a third one in and then maybe a handhold or maybe four, just put four in the pack. But you need to have a bigger pack if you're going to put four 500 mil floss in it. like It can't be ah ah can't be one of the really minimalist ones. What do you run with Jess? like Do you run with a pack or a belt? or ah With a pack, I can't remember what it's called, but I think it's 10 liters. It's one of the Solomon ones. Yeah, okay.
00:55:36
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So you'd probably be able to fit four, you'd think. Yeah. So when I've never had to race with four, with two litres of actual fluid and the capacity. Um, and so, but I've done plenty of long runs with even more fluid because I know I'm not going to be able to refill.
00:55:53
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Now I have like many different tactics. One of them is to have a bladder, obviously just a bladder in the back and my two 500 mils at the front, and because then in the bladder, I only put, like it might be one and a half litre capacity, but I only put a litre. So there's one tactic that some people like. If it's depending on the temperature, if it's hot, i don't I don't like having a bladder against my back. I don't know, it just doesn't feel as good. um And then I have two different tactics.
00:56:21
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so I have my 500 mils in the fly front, and I find I don't mind also having in the dump pockets at the front of those Solomon vests, you can get the 250 mil flasks quite easily. um So sometimes I'll go with two 500s and two 250s at the front, because then I'll just drink those first, plus a little one of the handhelds for 500 mil. And then what I do is I would drink the handhold, then the two 250s, and then eventually all all I'm left with is the two 500s like normal. If, if I have to carry that much, if I personally don't think I'm going to need that much fluid, I'll be using that fluid more to pour over my head pretty early on to then.
00:57:05
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keep running um with less. So it depends on how fast between the aid stations because you do not want to put yourself in a bad spot where you dehydrate and then you don't have enough fluid because you didn't carry enough. So that's one tactic. The other tactic that I've used um plenty of times before is two 500 mils of flasks in the front that I drink first. And I've got two 500 mil flasks in the zip pocket at the back, just at the very back.
00:57:30
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um most accessible, and then once the two 500 mils at the front are empty, I quickly change the flasks, put the empty ones in the back, the full ones in the front. like i've ah you can You can keep running while spinning your pack around and getting stuff out of it if you if you navigate it well. um So i mean I've always managed to keep moving while getting stuff out of the back of my pack. So there's a fine art to it though, but I'd practice it in training like you on your next long run.
00:58:00
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Yeah, that's a good plan. What about your guest? What would he do? Yeah, that's where we can definitely go to next. So I have with me, who I ran with this morning, we're exploring Krakow together, as Brody spoke of him earlier, the crazy Norwegian. I feel like you guys are all crazy. um But Unders, how do you pronounce your surname? I can't do it.
00:58:23
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My surname is Chalevic. Chalevic? Nah. It's a ch-ch-ch sound. Okay. K, J, so yeah. It's okay. Just Unders. Let's go with Just Unders. All right, my middle name is Johnny, so that's the easy one. Well, you see, on Strava, you're Unders' pony. Yeah. Where's that come from? That's because it's been, like,
00:58:46
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kids school, a girl was calling me that because um my name is Andy Johnny. Yeah. And it was fun because we had a horse and a farm. So, yeah, those ones. is yeah that's the story yes but Now, lives on an island off is it the north or south of Norway. Like where in Norway are you? It's in the southwest. Southwest. The closest city is Bergen, our second biggest city. So what's the island called?
00:59:16
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but also even more difficult. It's a really nice place. Just like, it's two other people living there. Yeah, just a really small place. Fun. So yeah, there I have a small farm with some cheats and yeah, my parents live there. Yeah. And I will say Andrzej is one of the best follows on Strava. Not just like partially for the crazy training and partially for the Strava art, although have you done much recently?
00:59:44
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I recently know because in in the winter I usually do this. Okay. But now, and last year and we had before, I've been a lot on the Canary Islands. Okay. And yeah there you cannot do a slob off because outside the main trails is just really sticky bushes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not possible. Yeah, yeah. But bre ah on the island you live, there's actually no trails. You just kind of run everywhere. Yeah.
01:00:09
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pretty much. It's where it's rough terrain, which is sometimes you need to swim some rivers and climb some Some steep cliffs and... Which explains why you're good on the technical stuff. Explains a lot why you're good on the technical stuff. But the other things that if you follow Unders on Instagram, I think I've shown to far too many people the life-size hamster wheel in your barn or whatever it is, the treadmill, the indoor... That was a crazy idea because I always wanted a treadmill because
01:00:50
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and My part of kind of the country is really bad when I went up. We have like three meters of rain in a year and mostly it comes in the winter months. It's really bad and it's all dark as we have a couple of hours of rain. I always wanted a proper treadmill but I wanted a roadway and you know that's really expensive.
01:01:09
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So I tried to make some some homemade wood way and yeah I had an i idea here about this and just started building it. Is it still working? Surprisingly it was really comfortable to run at because it's it's made of wood so it's kind of soft and you get like a spring effects. So actually I run really fast on the trimming. Does it still work though? Like it's still going. holy moley okay It's really solid. yeah yeah so yeah
01:01:41
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Yeah. So yeah, Anders has the, ah ah we will share a video of this because it's it's impossible to explain, but it is, think of a hamster wheel made of wood, but human size. So you're running inside the wheel, um is his homemade treadmill. You also have a homemade altitude chamber. That's like a proper altitude chamber out of, what did you make that out of again? Actually, I made it of an oil tank. Oil tank. You have it under your house too.
01:02:11
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for heat. So actually it was just an experiment. I wanted to make a bigger one, but that was what I had in hand. And I had an old milking machine that makes vacuum. yeah So actually it is, as you said, properly pressure. So it's a pressure-based attitude. So yeah, if you go too high, you get attitude sickness and all that kind of stuff. Actually, one night i the sandtop that regulates the Oh shit, the sensor broke. No, it was like a little bit off. So it didn't regulate. So it went to maximum, like over 5,000 meters. And I didn't, didn't realize before I was waked up really dizzy and had a headache. And like the whole day after I was really, really sick. I would not recommend
01:03:06
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Any of you guys i made something like that? That sounds like, like I can just imagine the news headlines now. Runner dies in self-made altitude chamber. So not to laugh at home. No, no. um But yeah, Anders has raced a lot of Golden Trail, but also you just race all the time. um And The, actually one of my favourite other stories is watching your Strava, the Instagram, sorry, when you rock up to a race by a helicopter, because obviously you live on an island and have to get there somehow. So in absolute beast mode, I think there's this Instagram somewhere where you've rocked up to race by a helicopter, won the race and then left in your helicopter.
01:03:50
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um as you do when in Norway. But um under recent, like we just were at Tetra, obviously the men didn't get to race. So far this season, you've done how many Golden Trail? Just two? No, I did three. I did an ACR trip and a Segama. Yeah. And then this one was supposed to be in my last Golden Trail race. But now you might come to the US. I might come to the US because I have I have, sigma wasn't so good, so I'm not sure if I have enough points to qualify for the vinyl. So yeah, I'm a little bit in thinking about going to the US, so we'll see. But Anders will be in chemo in, is it it's five days away now? yeah Yeah, that's true. That is a bit of an embarrassing story because I had a little bit of a layback on planning and stuff, so I was sure.
01:04:49
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And my girlfriend was sure that CCC was this Friday. So I booked the flights and everything and was ready. And when we were sitting in the car with my friends and the race, Tata was canceled and I said to them, ah.
01:05:07
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and It's not so bad because now I have fresh legs for CCC and stuff. And then Jonas, my friend in the back, used to say, you know that CCC is in two weeks. What?
01:05:20
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yeah That was funny. Luckily enough, there are other unpredictable pro athletes. So there was a guy that didn't use his bid for chemo. So I was lucky enough to get it. So.
01:05:35
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Yeah. But then you still, see you came at this week and then CCC the week after. Yeah, that's right. And yeah, that's how much I plan. So, but actually Kima is the race that I've been watching and wanted to race for many years. So when I got the opportunity now, I just couldn't say no. Nice, nice. Well, I have more ambitions in Kima than in CCC. It's like,
01:05:58
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Yeah, yeah. It's a race for me, so. Kima is like you all over, but Brody, he hasn't checked the, Anders hasn't checked the course at all, so do you have any questions for Brody on the course? I'm following Brody now and I saw his post, so yeah, that's how much I've checked through the course. So yeah, I will look forward to it. Come there and you need to show me and give me some tips and advice.
01:06:25
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You can just, um, you can just follow me if you want Anders and just don't go past me at the end and we'll be okay.
01:06:35
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about that You've seen the videos of um oh yeah have i I fancy myself as a good downhill runner. Um, and I'm not sure I can beat Anders on the downhill. So I might have to have a few minutes into him before the downhill.
01:06:52
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Oh, just a little, just a little. Some of the, um, did you win the downhill category at the last Golden Trail? Were you the winner at the Madeira last time you had the downhill? Some of those, so Unders is a downhill specialist in a way, or you won that one. Um, and then some of the videos that came out of that is, uh, pretty insane. So we're going to share a whole bunch of this, but.
01:07:16
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And I suppose to get back to what Jess asked before in that question, you've run, what's the longest distance race? 100? The longest one that I have completed is 100k. I haven't started UTMB and another 100 miles, but still that is a goal for me to finish one of them. So max. So if you have to carry two litres of fluid, how are you carrying it?
01:07:45
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thats actual as brody has had a Usually it's just a capacity. Yeah. yeah But if it's actual fluid, I will put that two in the front. Yeah. And I would have, I always have a salomon sauce with included the belt. So I would put like one flask at the front. Yeah. And then yeah, that's the fourth one I would put in the back. Yeah. And I think like,
01:08:13
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Even if it's hot and you sweat a lot, you cannot drink more than one litre an hour because then it starts wobbling in the stomach. It's really hard to drink more than that. Yeah, but sometimes in some races, I'm not sure if this is the reason for Hounslow, there's long enough between aid stations that you might be out there for longer than an hour. okay That's why you have to carry yeah send that so much capacity. And I would yeah definitely take yeah more than one litre.
01:08:44
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because the worst thing is to to get on the point that you are the adrenaline. Yeah. Yeah. Then it's really fast that you have to start walking. Yeah. Oh, stop. what just Not finish the damn thing. Nice. Jess or Brady, you got any questions for Anders?
01:09:03
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I know Jess, you're just being introduced to him, but Brodie, you're followed for a little bit and no kind of the crazy Norwegian. No, nothing crazy. No, no good questions at the moment. But um yeah, I'm looking forward to racing racing you on Saturday. And as I think I think we'll have a good battle. So that'll be that'll be fun. And I reckon the course will really suit your strength. So that's exciting. Keen to see how you go.
01:09:30
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Yeah, I really look forward. Did you check the participant list? I haven't actually seen a participant list. So if you've, if you've got one and you want to send it my way, I'm not sure. I want to know the Manuel Marias. Okay. Wow. Yeah. That is really good. So nice. Yeah. Nice. Oh, that'll be good. Yeah. But he's a level up. So I think he will go for the record. Oh yeah. Manuel is a,
01:09:57
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Yeah, that that was that's going to produce some insane videos. so Talk about good downhill runners. And damn, like Manuel is among the best. yeah have you Have you been to Australia, Anders? Yeah, I've been to Australia and went on a cruise boat from Sydney once, all alone. Really? Yeah, yeah. I didn't know this. I was a new junior. On New Guinea? guinea Yeah, I was it running. and at This was the point that I started running. So I was running.
01:10:28
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before and on the boat and everything. And I was just kind of that forest gump. Yeah. So I really like to go back to Australia. It's a cool place. Yeah. yeah Forrest Gump is a good way to describe you. I would love to know what's your current. So for context on this, Unders does a lot of experimentation with this training. I think the first time I met you, you were at that point running about 300 K weeks and trying to test living at high altitude in somewhere in Chamonix or something. Like it was, I remember hearing the story and it was, you were running a stupid amount every single day to see how long you, how far you could run and like, and how much training you could get in and still perform well.
01:11:12
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um What's the current experiment or thinking about your training? Yeah, with my coach. Actually, I have a coach. Everybody's laughing when I say that I have a coach. Yeah, you were. Actually, he was more crazy than me when he was active and he had a really good performance. So yeah, our experiment was to to kind of have to do as much volume as possible for some years to kind of build off a big place because I started really late running Like when I was 30 and it's now six, seven years ago. Yeah. So yeah. Um, but I get, I got a lot of, um, progression for some years, but now the late, it is two years. I feel that I have been kind of leveling off. So now we are changing to a little bit more normal. good training So now we're starting to do intervals and, uh, train a little bit less.
01:12:11
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And what does a little bit less mean though? Like how many Ks did you do last week? Still is between 150 and 200 kilometers a week. So still a decent amount. But yeah, I like to train a lot. And I think it's, it's more about enjoying yourself on the way than to perform 100% on a race. And that is also the reason that I say yes to races that actually are not simply my racing plan strategy. um Yeah. I'm trying to enjoy myself. So it's not, of course I want you to perform as best as I can, but that is. Yeah. That makes sense. Cool. One last question. Cause I want to know, I don't know if you would know it. What's the most a amount of kilometers you've run in a year during that phase? Like you must've had some massive years of. Yeah. Last year i was like between 11 and 12,000 kilometers. Damn.
01:13:11
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I'm lucky if I hit five. ah you But surprisingly not, I have almost no injuries. I know. That's what baffles me. It's the speed I give. Yeah. Yeah. Not the volume. Fun. In my opinion. Well, yeah, I encourage people follow Anders on Strava to see some pretty insane training in terms of volume um and He runs for Solomon, Norway, and it will be doing, hopefully, I'm hoping you come on the U.S. trip for Golden Trail. um but You're sitting 24th overall, currently, in Golden Trail? Yeah, I'm sharing 23rd place with Poopi. Ah, yeah, again, with Francesco Poopi. So, yeah, I think I would, if I don't go into the U.S., I will definitely go down on that list, so the question is so much. Yeah, yeah. i But I'll go with there, yeah.
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Good.
01:14:12
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good good The battle to end in the top 30. Ah, fun. Okay, cool. Well, we might... We might quickly go through, we've got our results from this week, um just coming up from Australia. So Jess, take us to actually, this one, I always love following this one. It looks like so much fun in ah Northern Territory. Run Larapinta? Yeah, so this one is along the Larapinta Trail that starts in Alice Springs in the Northern Territory. um Looks like a very unique part of the country. So yeah, it'd definitely be something that would be really cool to do.
01:14:50
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um and Basically, they have a long course which is called the Malbanka. um and that one is So they're both stage races. The long course ranges between 20 and 45K stages. And then the short course is called the Namma Tejira. And ah that one, the stages range between 14 to 30K.
01:15:14
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so In the Malbunka, so the long course, ah the first place in the men's was Yanfua, in 12 hours 48 and 55 seconds, and he was in the 40 to 49 category, so... One for the veterans, um and then second place was Craig Fairherd, the same age category in 1355,
01:15:45
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um and then third place was Jason Hughes in 1436. And then in the women, We had Jessica Janki in first place um in 15 hours 39. Oh, it looks like we had a tie. What? Yeah, second place. ah Wait, am I looking at? Yeah. Second place in the women's exact same time um based on the results. He has a 15 hours 39, 25 seconds.
01:16:20
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Uh, and then if I look at their stages, they're all about the same times, about a second apart in some of them. Wow. Can you imagine? Um, so second place is Ariane Houston. Um, so I wonder if they were friends and just running together, but pretty cool. Um, pretty cool to share that. And then third was Sarah Barrett, um, in 16 hours, 17.
01:16:50
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Uh, so then in the short course, so the Nama Tejira. So Jillian Turnbull took out the whole thing. So she was first overall in 10 hours 41. Um, and then second... And first male was Brett Godden in 10 hours 49, so not too far behind. Second male was Rowan Martin-Ritchie in 11 hours 03. Third male was Mark Audette in 12 hours 01. Second female was Maria Kraus in 12 hours 33. And third female was Camilla Evans in 12 hours 46. Nice. That's always looked like such a cool one.
01:17:35
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Um, such an iconic trail for them to, to get across. But, um, to bring us back down in directly south from, uh, Alice Springs or where La Ran La Repinta was, I'm going to take us to South Australia. There was a race called My Ponga Loop, which I believe is just a single loop of a reservoir there. Um, and the long, the full loop, like so the long course is 19 K.
01:18:01
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on the men's side. It was won by Max Stevens, who I think we he was in the results last week or a couple of weeks ago. And he's won our national champs for the steeplechase on the track before. So it's cool to see him come on coming across to do some trail events. And then second was John Songai. So Max won in an hour 11. John was in an hour 18. And then in an hour 19 and third was Andrew Heitman.
01:18:28
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On the women's side, it was a very tight race because ah Laura Kenyon got the win in one hour 4109 and Rebecca McDonald was second in one hour 4115. So super close. And then third, not far back as well. Maren Nankaro was one hour 4307.
01:18:48
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And the last race on Aussie soil that we're going to go through is in the Blue Mountains Glenbrook Trail Marathon. I'll actually start from the 25k was won by a very well known runner, Ben St Lawrence in an hour 35, which He actually beat, the second overall was the first woman and and she was two hours and three. So Ben must've had a day of it out front by himself with 30 minutes ahead of everyone else, um which is pretty cool. And the second male, Nick Adamson, two hours and four, third male, David Brophy, two hours six. ah Second female was Cara.
01:19:30
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Turlick Koo in 2 hours 19 and third female Alison Grant 2 hours 24. There was also a 42.2k obviously for the full Glenbrook marathon. That was won by Wyatt Million in 3 hours and 8. Second Ronan McNally 3 hours and 10 and third Ian Gallagher 3 hours 15.
01:19:51
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for the women it was won by Emily Brunt in three hours 33, in second Kate Cush who she often beasts some really longer races so she's done really well here for three hours 45 for second and Anna Cameron in third in three hours 56. That's it for the Aussie races that we' um we're going to cover but Brodie ah we had Nath running in Cirque series Yeah, so we had Nathan Pierce. He's headed off overseas over to the US. He's doing a few different races over there. um So first up on his schedule is some of the races from the Cirque series, which is a mountain running series in the US. um All of the races are about that sort of classic mountain running distance. I think of like,
01:20:46
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10 to 12 kilometres hour, just over an hour long races. So yeah, this, ah it looks really interesting. I saw the, there was some videos of the course and it looked really exciting. So the first one that nice done is in Alta in Utah. um And he has come fifth. He ran an hour and seven I think it was about 11k with like 700 meters of climb. um So a good first hit out for him. I think he had only just arrived. So that one was in near Salt Lake City. um And the winner in that race was Mason Coppy. Don't know if I've heard that name, but I know the US have a lot of good runners. And Rachel Drake was the winner in the females and she was about a minute and a bit behind. So she's a really high quality runner. um So yeah, it looks like they're getting some
01:21:40
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some good people racing in that series. And know and I think Nathan's got another one next weekend or in a couple of weeks. So we're good to see how he goes there. Yeah, I think the next one's in one week. They're in their week apart. And then I believe I'll be seeing Nathan Headlands 27K in four weeks as one of the Golden Trail races. So that'll be fun.
01:22:00
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um Cool to see. Now I didn't see any other results from Aussies for this weekend so that is the end of our results for this week. ah For what's coming up next week there's obviously always some really cool looking races and this is no exception capital to coast.
01:22:16
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which I believe is a run that goes from Canberra to the coast. That's ah on next weekend and then Sydney Ultramarathon, a big one that I've always again wanted to do because it's in the Grampians and everyone loves it there is Wonderland Run in the Grampians is on Bright Running Festival um in Bright then Christmas Island Marathon and the Scenic Rim trail running series has their fourth race of the series ah coming up next weekend. So lots to look out for, lots to jump in if you're in those areas. ah But Jess, what have you got coming up this week? How close are we to the move?
01:22:56
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Uh, about two weeks, two and a half weeks. So I leave Perth on the 4th of September. Um, getting close. Yeah. Yeah. So frantically packing, um, finishing off stuff at work, um, saying goodbye. And then how many weeks till, um, Hounslow? Hounslow's the same week. So I'll leave Perth, fly to Sydney, do the race and then drive down to Canberra.
01:23:23
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Damn, you're going to have a lot going on that week. Yeah. That's going to be some tired unpacking by the time you get to Canberra, but it'll be, hopefully, happily tired unpacking. Yeah, it should be all good. Cool. That'll be the plan. Brody, you're just in rest mode now in the preparation for chemo? Yeah, yeah. I'm here in Innisfook for a couple of days and then head across to where the race is um in Northern Italy via St. Moritz.
01:23:49
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um So yeah, just to cruising on in, um getting ready. um Yeah, a bit nervous, but yeah, looking forward to it. You'll be good. You'll be fine. um Easy. Well, I'm in Krakow today, going to go do with some more exploring, but I finally get to Cheminy to stay with Kate Avery in her lead up to OCC tomorrow. So yay for being in Cheminy and obviously there's going to be lots of Aussies and people to do runs with there. So I'm just hoping to regain some running legs after two weeks of feeling like not a runner. Um, so lots coming up. Um, just a reminder that we're going to be putting a lot out on our Instagram to keep an eye on, obviously in regards to that, uh, grip run in Germany.
01:24:39
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Monday 26th of August, 8.30 AM at the Bix tent. Be there or be square. It'll be a lot of fun. Hopefully we can get as many Aussies or anyone as possible there. But thank you to everyone for