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An Interview with Custom Toy Rings
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We have one more special edition interview episode (no gimmick infringement Marco) to help you get over the Christmas hangover. We chat with Nate and JJ, the team behind the amazing Custom Toy Rings Instagram account. They talk us thru their product development process and drop the news about their upcoming spectacular release!
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Teasers
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Hey there fully fam if the MVP Marco was not angry with us before he probably is now because once again We're stepping all over his interview gimmick
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But me and Sheena, aka Chick Foley, had a quick chat with Nate and JJ, the team behind Custom Toy Rings on Instagram. If you haven't checked them out, please do so. We'll have links to their social media down in the show notes if you want to swipe up. They make some incredible, incredible products and they have something really cool on the way that they announced on the pod with us this week. So give it a listen. It's really interesting just kind of the way their partnership works and just some of the thought and
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the methodology going behind putting together these truly incredible, one of a kind products that they have available for figure collectors worldwide.
Interview with Nate and JJ: Custom Toy Rings
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So without further ado, here's our chat with custom toy rings. All right. So we have Nate from Creature from the Toy Lagoon and JJ from Custom Toy Rings on with us today. How are you guys doing?
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I'm doing good. I'm super excited to be sitting down with you guys. If you guys don't know, you just need to go check out at Custom Toy Rings and Creature from the Toy Lagoon. Amazing figtography, some incredible 3D printed wrestling accessories, things that you're not going to find on your shelf, things that Mattel's not giving us. You're not going to find on any shelf. Yeah, things that Mattel's not giving us. Some huge gaps in the
00:01:28
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the playset area right now. Yeah, we're huge fans of all of our customizers and all of our custom accessory makers because again, there are gaps. I mean, obviously now it's what a time to be alive, to be a figure collector and a big photographer and things like that because we have more now than we've ever had before, but we're super excited to always have more creators doing creative things
Wrestling Fandom Origins
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out there. So
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Um, you know, I wanted to go ahead and just kind of get in because you guys, you know, obviously you're into wrestling and we all start somewhere. So, uh, let's, I'll start with Nate. So Nate, tell me like, how did you, how did you get into wrestling? What w where, where did your wrestling fandom start?
00:02:05
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Oh, man. Okay. So forgive me, because I don't know the company. I don't know who was involved. But all I remember as I was a kid, I was probably four or five years old. And I was standing at the TV and because my parents were very old school, they didn't like to buy the new technology. We still had a TV that you had to get up and flick that, you know, the dial switch on.
00:02:32
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Oh, yeah, right. So a floor unit. Yeah, yeah. 500 pound TV. Yeah. So I was flipping through the channels. And there was this battle royal going on. And I just remember dudes were like covered in blood. And I was just instantly drawn to it. And I don't know what it was.
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just beating the holy hell out of each other, throwing each other out of the ring. And I've seen that. And it was like, that was that was it. I saw that and I was hooked. I didn't know what it was. But I was I was hooked. And then it was I swear, I'm sure my timeline is messed up. But it was like I was getting the Toys R Us catalog as a kid.
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And I can remember seeing a four pack of The Undertaker, Mankind, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and Triple H, and not knowing who they were, but just being so infatuated with the way they looked. You know, Mankind's crazy mask that it looked like he had nails into his head. And Undertaker with the tattoos and all black, I was like, I had to have them.
Nostalgia and Collecting Stories
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And my mom, I remember her going, you don't even like wrestling. And I was like, yes, I do.
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Yeah, and from that moment on, it was the only thing that still to this day as a 32-year-old man that I have remained a fan of. Things have come and gone, but wrestling has been the only thing to stay. Talk about a fork in the road moment, dude. That Toys R Us catalog and seeing those Toyota figures and just really diving into wrestling and still hanging with it 32 years later. That's incredible.
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What about, uh, what about you, JJ? Were those bone crunching figures then? You know, they haven't been, um, I remember their faces were just God awful, you know, like, like they were like, you know, you ever walk into something and you just smell something that's like, Oh, what in the hell is going on here? That's what their faces looked like. So I'm going to assume it's bone crunchers. Cause they weren't, you know, weren't the greatest crunchers.
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Yeah, they were awesome as a kid. You know, Jax loved the box sets also, man. That definitely sounds like it. I was going to say it sounds like a Jax set. I can't think about it off the top of my head, but I can definitely picture that box set existing. Well, I know Austin was in jeans. Yeah, they released so many of those, man, over the years. A ton. Yeah, I miss their packaging so much.
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Yeah, it's so nostalgic that that packaging is just like, I don't know. I just got last week. I got a couple of you remember the mini sets where it was like the little miniature wrestlers, like the the ones are like two inches tall. They'd come with like a ring and some accessories. Yeah, I got two of those play sets in last week, MOC. So it was so much fun busting those things open. Yeah, our son has had so much fun with those or five of those that I told her in covid, like a Vader and a Sid. Yeah.
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You did, you did good. Cause that's when, you know, collectors collecting was at an all time high during COVID. So that's how JJ and I met. So we're
3D Printing and Customization Journey
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going to get into that. I want to, you know, we're going to talk about you guys. I want to figure out how you guys came to, came to know one another, but hit us with a, how did you get into wrestling JJ? So I mean, mine's, I think it's kind of unique. Um, I,
00:05:55
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Also at Toys R Us coincidentally had in Nintendo 64 and summer of 98 was begging my mom to let me buy WWF war zone. And she said the same thing. You don't even like wrestling. You don't watch wrestling. You don't know a thing about it. Well, I ended up with the game. And once I fell over the game, I had to go find it on TV and start watching it.
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Wow, that's very unique. I don't think I've ever talked to anybody else who started with the video game and then got into wrestling. Typically, the TV product or the action figures have been what we found. That's the gateway. Yeah, exactly. That's the gateway that's gotten most people in. That was a fun game, man. I remember being super high for that. I think that game is aged like milk, especially compared to the WCW and
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later WWF games on N64, but I remember being just so excited. I can't remember what the name of the website was. There was a crappy Geo City style website that I used to check every single day for all the news and rumors about that game up until it came out. I had it on PlayStation 1 instead of N64, but yeah, I definitely got some fond memories from the lead up and the actual release of that game.
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Yeah, there was the game was it was weird. It was it was, you know, it was kind of garbage. It doesn't hold up for sure. But it was it was it was unique during that time. There was I'd never played any other kind of video game like it. It was kind of like a street fighter arcade, but not really. Yeah, it's actually the very first episode of raw that I ever watched was the go home show for SummerSlam 98. Oh, that was a great time in wrestling. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. I was hooked.
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Yeah. So once you guys got into the product, like the TV product, were you guys like, was it like instant that you were into action figures and like, were you like, okay, like we're watching the TV product. Now we
Collaborative Business Dynamics
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got to have all the toys to go along with it. Were you guys big figure collectors in your childhood? I'll start with JJ. Yeah, definitely. I, uh,
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I collected figures way too long. I mean, because in ninety seven, ninety eight, I was in middle school. So I had like all the Star Wars figures because that had just come out. And after that was kind of going away, I was like, all right, was the next thing. And so, yeah, bone crunching action. The.
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What's the series that they did after that where they like to use the hard plastic and they had like the. Titan Tron live. The Titan Tron live. Yeah. And then eventually to like, you know, the classic superstar slash ruthless aggression that went on for years. I have a couple of ruthless aggression and definitely took a break after that point. But yeah, from like 98 through 2000, just hundreds and hundreds. I mean, all the toy biz ones for WCW, all the ECW ones, I forget who made those.
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San Francisco toy makers. OK, yeah. Bunch of ECW, you know, bunch of rings, the cages, everything like it was just as soon as I was hooked, I was all in for quite a while.
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So were you, were you, uh, back then, were you like even like customizing things back then? I know like Seth, for instance, his dad made him a, uh, a cage out of like chicken wire and, uh, he had hell in the cell. And I had a pretty extensive collection of bone crunchers. I customized, like I made a, uh, I remember making an Ahmed Johnson into like Booker T solo run from WCW from that era. And some other just.
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Really? I think I took a stone cold Steve Austin head and put it on a psycho Sid body to make Goldberg. Like, yeah, just ridiculous stuff, man. Seth was basically Sid from Toy Story. Just dismembering all of his figures and putting them back together before they were, you know, actually interchangeable.
00:09:34
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That's right. Back then, it was slim picking, so you had to be happy with what you had. What about you, Nate? What about your figure collecting? Were you a figure collector as a kid? Oh, yeah. I've always been a toy kid. Clearly, to this day, I'd still have. Yeah, I've got better toys now than I did as a kid. Once I saw that Toys R Us catalog with the wrestlers, that was it.
Quality and Craftsmanship of Custom Rings
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I had gone from
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just having random figures, like G.I. Joe toys and transformers, Hot Wheels. I was a huge car guy as a kid. Yeah, that died a long time ago. I couldn't even tell you anything about a car, but a little four-year-old Nate could have told you everything there is to know about a construction, train engineers or whatever. But yeah, that was all replaced with wrestlers. But yeah, I still probably have a box of
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Jax R3 and Ruthless Aggression and Bone Cruncher somewhere in my storage space out here. But yeah, I've always been a toy guy. There's just something about it. And, you know, when Jeremy Padaware and Jax, they started the classic superstars, that's what got me, you know, having the legends of the past. And that box style just drew to me. Oh, I love that. I love the Jax classic superstars packaging.
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That's what actually what we got back into when we got back into, you know, wrestling and, you know, figure collecting and stuff. In 2014, we collected Jack's classic superstars before we abandoned them for Mattel elites. But yeah, beautiful packaging. And they kept the same package. You'd throw out the entire line, dude. It's something that, you know, Mattel changes it every six or seven. Yeah. And there's so many different variations of the line where, you know, you get legends and, you know, all these different ones.
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Yeah, that Jax classic superstars as crazy as they got at times like they are, you know, as you know, that's so Jax as they got at times. I think the superstar the classic superstars are awesome. Yeah, they were amazing. I just wish I would have kept on to mine. I was a dumb ass and really wanted to go to vacation to Seattle to go visit my dad and I sold my entire classic superstars wave for tattoo money. And yeah, I regret that.
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I got a great tattoo out of it, but yeah. Now looking back, oh shit, I had some money there. You remember that toy? What was it? Toy Fair? There was the Toy Fair, exclusive grandeur superstar edge with the spanner title. Man, I had two of those. That thing was so sad. God, I was a moron.
00:12:07
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You know, we all look back and think stuff like that. I mean, you know, you always think like, Oh, I should have kept that in the packaging. How much would it be worth now? But you know, you just gotta, you gotta live in the moment, man. You know, every day isn't promised. So live in the moment. You got to go on a vacation. You got a cool tattoo. So, you know. Yeah. Now I got the AW line. Thank God for that.
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Yeah. So you guys kind of mentioned you touched on it a little bit earlier that you guys met during, you know, COVID and lockdowns and all that kind of stuff. So tell us kind of like, you know, whoever wants to start, you know, tell us kind of how you guys met and how you started with doing custom toy parts. So I had been selling rings,
Challenges and Production Setup
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metal and wood rings online for
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a few years. And when COVID hit, everything just blew up. People had a bunch of money in their pocket and I got a free exposure and a ton of new followers. And at some point, I think pretty early on in 2020, Nate reached out for a custom ring and ended up wanting some custom
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things on it even more custom than I typically do and we ended up doing that and and then he wanted some aprons and he wanted this and we just kept standing in touch and kept chatting and. Eventually things got to the point where it was just way too crazy like I couldn't even respond to all the messages I was getting and I was like kind of complaining Nate like man I I don't have time to respond to people they're getting mad that I'm not responding and he's like if you need help let me know and here we are like three years later.
00:13:46
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Wow. That's cool. So it's just, so how does, how does your partnership work? So like, you know, you customize the rings, like, so what, what's your responsibilities within the custom toy rings? Well,
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I'll go ahead and answer for my half. I essentially try and do my best to answer everybody's direct messages, respond to comments. I'm the one that tries to post. I ask people for photos, so we have new content to post.
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So basically mine is the whole social media side. You're a social media coordinator. Yeah, you're the customer facing portion of the business. That's a big job and it's very important. It's a lot, trust me. Keeping up with social media and all the DMs and especially when you have people buying stuff from you and ordering stuff and putting in custom orders and keeping all of that straight, it is an important big job. And again, just putting your stuff out there for the world to see.
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We've got so many people that reach out with just excellent ideas. I can't remember the guy's name, but he wanted
Balancing Passion with Business
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an asylum style TNA ring, but he wanted it in the six sides. That asylum ring was beautiful. I loved the bright red ring post with the red
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pads and everything. It was classic looking. It was super simple, but it was clean. Just thinking, oh man, a six-sided asylum look would just be badass. Then the guy was like, let's do it. I remember texting JJ like, okay, I absolutely love this idea. This guy wants this. Then JJ made it and it knocked my socks off. Every single time I get on our page and I see that, I'm jealous that it's not sitting in my house. I'm looking at it right now. It pulled it up. Oh my God, it's beautiful.
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And then we've got the guy that ordered what I call the Gorilla Warfare, which is the 10 sided double cage double six sided ring. That thing is the absolute coolest. Absolutely loved that thing. What a great idea.
00:15:57
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So JJ, so how did you get into 3D printing? So is this just like something that you've always, you know, like once you started doing custom rings, you're like, I need to take it to the next level. So you just got the 3D printing materials and just went at it. Or how did you get into that? Yeah, I mean, so the short long answer is like all the way back in high school, I took CAD classes, computer-aided drafting. Okay.
00:16:25
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I was making rings and I'd be getting a lot of requests for stages and I had made a couple of stages. They were primarily made out of started out of wood and then they moved to aluminum. And one thing that a lot of people wanted was trussing. And I had come up with a way to use like a like a cricket to cut cardstock that you could fold up into trussing and silver paper. And it just
Regrets and Creative Expressions
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It was fine, but it wasn't what I wanted and I've done stuff like that with uh, we've gotten stuff from extreme sets Over the years, you know that kind of like that real tough like cardboard type stuff. Yeah similar similar type concept Yeah, I mean it was three-dimensional, you know it hit it It wasn't just flat like you know You cut out all the little holes for the piping and everything and then you folded it four times and you glued it together and so it made a tube and
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But at the end of the day, it was made out of paper. And I wanted to do it better. And so I started looking at 3D printing and decided that, yeah, I need to start doing some 3D printed stuff and never finished the truss. Truss was actually really, really hard. I've got a couple of designs. I've got this weird ADHD thing where
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Like I'll hit a roadblock and it's like, all right, time to move on to something else. Yeah. You know, a hundred projects that are, you know, half finished, um, trust us being one of them, but yeah, so it moved from there. So I had all these print. I had the printer and I was like, all right, what can I do?
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Um, and I figured out what I wanted to do and the printer I had wasn't big enough. So then I bought another printer and then another one and then another one. And you know, now I'm sitting on six printers. Oh my gosh. Wow. Just pumping out. I mean, they're, they're running pretty much 24 hours a day, um, bumping out pieces.
00:18:21
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So the rings I know you said you know you were using you know quote-unquote real materials You know like wooden metal before are they is that still your primary? Way of doing the custom rings or are the rings are they actually like being 3d printed also now? No rings are metal and they will stay metal You know if you want a plastic ring Mattel and jazz wares can accommodate for your story company if you want a
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a real ring made out of wood and plastic, or excuse me, wood and metal, then that's where that's at. Wow. And if you've considered getting a ring from JJ,
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when commissions open up, I highly, highly suggested as somebody who started off as a customer and then became friends and now works with JJ, my ring is my prized possession. I've said it countless times to people who've ordered things. It's the be all end all of toy rings. This thing
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is the absolute best. You'll never, ever, ever get a better ring. It is essentially as if JJ
Future Projects and Genre Exploration
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walked into either a WWE arena or AEW or Ring of Honor or whatever, took a shrink ray gun, shot that ring, threw it in his pocket, and went home with it, and then sold it on eBay. I mean, it is down to everything the best thing I have. It's my absolute favorite prize possession.
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We're scrolling the feed right now. It's funny, the small world that we all share. We're really good friends with Viking Hall toys also. We're looking at his ECW ring he shared. He's got some on his slideshow. He's got a picture of it basically deconstructed. Yeah, you're right. It looks like a real freaking ring. Yeah. The beautiful thing about that is if you really have a hardcore match, they can pull back the mat and just start doing tombstones and stuff on the plywood.
00:20:15
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really, really get the audience fired up. Yeah, that looks great. We will definitely, for anybody who's listening to this, we're going to let you guys know whenever custom toy rings opens back up their commissions and stuff. So stay tuned for that. If you are interested in getting any pieces, we'll let you guys know when commissions open up.
00:20:35
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I appreciate that. Thank you. Oh, of course, man. Of course. Um, so you said you have six printers. So what, where, where is this? Do you have like a room in your house that is just like your office for like 3d printing? Um, what's your, what's your studio set up? Um, I've got, um, three rooms in my house that are dedicated to, um, I've got a, our spare bedroom is.
00:21:01
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not a spare bedroom. There's a fold up bed in the closet. It's got a few tables in there with a bunch of printers. I've got a like an actual shop shop attached to my garage that I make the metal rings and cages and stuff out of there. It's got a printer down there as well. And then in my
00:21:23
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my home office slash bedroom. I've also got like a an eight foot by four foot work table that I do like the sewing and the fabric work and all the finishing and stuff on that. So it's it takes over my entire house, basically. So all of this is self taught. All of the obviously you said you took CAG classes in high school, but other than that, like everything, you know, the sewing and all of that is just self taught.
00:21:51
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Yep, yeah, the first ring I made I got fabric. I cut it how I wanted it. I pinned it in the places that I wanted it and I I mailed it to my my dad who lived in a different state because there was a seamstress in town that we knew that I thought, oh, I can get a pretty decent price. It's a small town. And he took her to her and she came back and she won like $35 just to sew up one canvas. Wow. And I was like, all right, I'm going to go buy a sewing machine and figure this out.
00:22:19
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Yeah. Oh my gosh. Every single thing that I have now is like, well, I guess I need a table saw now. Well, I guess I need a miter saw. Well, I guess I need this tool. And I just buy it, and it all contributes towards production.
00:22:32
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Yeah, and we live in the beautiful era where you can literally go on YouTube and figure out how to do
Community Support and Favorite Matches
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just about anything, how to utilize and run any tool, how to sew, you know, so there's, you know, you can learn anything nowadays, which is awesome. Yeah, YouTube's been great. There's, you know, because yeah, it's all self-taught and by self-taught, I mean YouTube taught, so.
00:22:57
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So this whole hobby started because of rest, like, you know, obviously like you got into 3d printing to create wrestling accessories, right? Like there, it wasn't like you were into 3d printing and then you were like, Oh, I could also create wrestling. Like the, the passion for wrestling is what fueled the, the desire to start a 3d printing operation. Exactly. Yep. There's, there's things that I wanted to make and doing them out of metal wasn't feasible. It wasn't realistic. Um, the amount of time that it would take.
00:23:27
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You know, because that's one of the things is when you're doing it out of metal, it's expensive for material costs, but then it's also incredibly expensive for my labor. And so if you want a metal hell in a cell, you know, you're at least six hundred dollars. Gosh. The hopeful idea is some point down the road, we can, you know, plasticize that and
00:23:53
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significantly reduce the price because once the design files are done, you write, you walk away, you come back, you do some cleanup, you box it and you ship it. So 3D printing has been great for able to create more products at a much less expensive, more accessible. Yeah. Yeah.
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So how many hours a day do you think you spend doing custom work? Because obviously like this isn't his full-time job. He has a day job that he does a full-time job and then this is he moonlights as a customizer. So how many hours a day would you say you
Conclusion and Future Teasers
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spend doing custom work? You know, so commissions are currently closed. So I'm not doing like custom rings or cages right now. But when those are open,
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Generally it's one or two hours during the weekdays and then at least eight hours each day on the weekend. Wow. So, you know, it's a good 25 hours a week.
00:24:52
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incredible. And that's what you call, I mean, I'm so just like taken aback by the passion to do it. I mean, obviously, it's a business for you and all of that, but there's gotta be a love and a desire there to do it too, just to spend that amount of time and energy and effort, especially to learn the craft.
00:25:13
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Um, to be able to, to be able to make these things. So I'm, I'm impressed, dude. And the work is incredible. Like we have, we have a couple of your cages and I mean, they're awesome. Yeah, they're the best, dude. They smoke. I mean, because we don't have anything like that. They just, I think the, the death of toys are us really kind of killed the big play set game, you know? Like there's just no retail space for it. And shipping is expensive to, you know,
00:25:39
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Yeah. And with Mattel's rings that they have now, it's really a limited install base. You know what I mean? So if they did make scale accessories for them, it'd just be hard for them to do it in a way that's profitable for them with as many as they would need to make. So yeah, you're filling a huge freaking gap. Dude, my eyes lit up, but you said you're going to make a plastic version of the cell. I've had an eBay safe search for an old Jack's RealScale hell in the cell for the last year, trying to find one of those things that's in decent enough shape to
00:26:05
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To add to my collection before you had gotten you had a blue cage rigged up on I had yeah that the wicked cool toys cage that came out in like 2015 I kind of had that kind of jury rigged up. I mean it looked okay, but it was like It was super sketchy and stuff, you know, it kind of had like blue painters tape You had to do to make it kind of work, you know And so yeah, you guys you know, you guys ring was just or you guys cage was a freaking godsend Well, the thing I don't understand about Mattel specifically is every time they make something they
00:26:36
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change it in weird ways. Like, why were all the clips red? Yeah, they were that bright orange red just stood out like a sore thumb. Yeah, they're they're constantly adding these weird details to things that it just it takes away from the realistic of it. And that that's what I focus on primarily is the realism. If
00:26:58
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I can make it look as real as possible, as close to the real thing as possible. That's what I'm going for every time. I'm not trying to cut corners just to get a product out there at a profitable price point. I'm trying to make the coolest, best thing as close to the real thing as you can find.
00:27:15
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Awesome. So I want to talk to Nate for a second. This doesn't have anything to do with custom accessory building, but if you go to Creature from the Toy Lagoon, which is his account, he does some incredible fig photography. So I want to know what your setup is like, Nate. So you have the extreme sets. I can see that in the background, but what kind of space are you using for your fig photography?
00:27:39
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Yeah. Thankfully, my partner and I, we just bought a house Labor Day weekend. Congrats, dude. We toured one house and we were like, this is it. We don't need to see anything else.
00:27:56
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have an amazing basement that's got built ins everywhere that I use this built in area for like my backstage section, you know, I just did that mocks and punk backstage shoot. So I got my extreme set set up there. And then right across from there, I've got
00:28:18
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One, two, I've got three six foot tables, two four foot tables and of an area that I am I will reveal sometime working on a massive custom AW dynamite arena that I'll have the extreme sets crowd set up but I've got
00:28:38
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figures for crowds and I've got signs and lighting rig and trust system and just a massive stage I've been working on for a very long time here to make a dream become a reality of essentially making an arena in the basement of my, you know, in the basement. So that's where I'm going to but lately I've just found the backstage stuff to be more enticing and more fun and
00:29:09
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It's like a I wouldn't say like hardcore wrestling fan because I'm not like a like a deathmatch guy but like I love Moxley's you know lights out and the
00:29:21
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anarchy in the arena type brawls, I find those to be so fun. So I always just want to like recreate that stuff. So yeah, that's essentially just what I'm doing. There's a lot of creative freedom in that too, you know, it doesn't have to be just wrestling stuff or just wrestling moves or stuff, you know, that would happen in ring. I mean, you pretty much anything is at your at your disposal with that kind of, you know,
00:29:41
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That kind of event. I'm waiting for AW to drop us a Mox figure with the head sculpt with the skewer sticking out of his forehead. Yeah, I feel like that's coming this year sometimes. That would be so great. There's so many potentials they have. All I'm going to say is we better get a Blood and Guts two-pack from Revolution last year of Mox and Hangman, but if we don't get a two-pack of Swerve and Hangman, Blood and Guts, I'm going to be disappointed. That was too... It's match of the year.
00:30:10
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. Needs to have like, you know, mouth open for drinking blood, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Come up with like a spit, spit of blood. That would be so sick. But the maximum sweat figures from Jack's area. Yeah. A little bit of water in the back of a swerve's head, you know, man underneath them.
00:30:32
Speaker
maximum blood. Yeah, but I want to shout out I saw him on Shark Tank a few weeks ago, many materials. They're based in Portland, Oregon. I used their cinder blocks for my mocks and punk set. And everything is legit. I've got a little baseball bat from them that's actually wood.
00:30:52
Speaker
the cinder box. You, you, you pick success interest because he loves this kind of thing. Yeah. He loves getting like accessory. So I hate one of my biggest pet peeves. Like I think Mattel's the best figure maker ever. Right? Their line's just incredible. Just about haterproof, but I've always hated the guitars that they include with, you know, Elias or honky tonk man. Cause it's like you look at them the wrong way and they just shatter into a million pieces are so dumb. So I got these super nice like little,
00:31:17
Speaker
miniature guitars man they got like real strings and everything on them and yeah there's like it's just the you're right the possibilities are endless for that kind of stuff so we'll definitely check out many materials because they're cinder blocks are legit cinder blocks i've got a pallet jack a pallet that's real wood cooler yeah we're looking at we're looking at it right now yeah it's got a little like palette mover of fire hydrant
00:31:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's the coolest. I want to get that right now they've got a sale going on that I think ends tomorrow. But it's by by one get one. So I've got to load up on some cinder blocks, but they've got mortar and paste where you can actually build from the from these things. And I was thinking, you know, how cool would it be to make a castle stage? So I'm thinking
00:32:02
Speaker
start ordering a bunch of shit and make myself a castle. That's really cool. I'm really curious to know what their angle was on Shark Tank. How did they really like, hey, there's a bunch of nerds out here that really love... Were they doing it just for photography or are they doing dollhouse furniture stuff? What's there? I think both.
00:32:24
Speaker
Okay, it was a really interesting thing. I was astonished that like, Mark, to me seems like the type of guy that would just get it. So I'm kind of surprised he didn't back it. But nobody backed him, which I think is a shame. But I think between all of us dorks out here that are obsessed with like,
00:32:41
Speaker
little things that are real. I lit up. I was excited. So I ordered stuff immediately. But I think between everybody and the word getting out about their stuff, they're going to be completely fine. Oh, yeah. So they're on Instagram for anybody that's listening. It's at many materials. So yeah, you can go and... Very cool. Yeah, very cool. They have all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I'm all about this kind of stuff. I went and got a horse for my Hangman page figures. Yeah, I'm all
00:33:11
Speaker
about building up the world for these guys. Yeah, I got a horse from mythic legions like two years ago, right after he had the horse entrance. And I was like, Okay, yeah, I need a horse for hangman to have a horse. I'm like scouring.
00:33:27
Speaker
know, like secondhand stores to try and find like a dollhouse horse. And I was just like, no, for miniature horses, there's a ton of options. There's like, I mean, when I was a little kid, I forget what the name brand was, but it was like scale, like the scale horses that would work with that. But it was like, there was like all of like the Kentucky Derby winners and like triple crown winners and stuff. I had like so many of those model horses. I can't believe I can't remember the
00:33:51
Speaker
the brand name of them but they were like really realistic. There was one I found it was like it took all the self-control I had not to get it would have it would have been like 75 bucks but yeah this thing was like fully articulated right this was like the the ultimate edition of horse figures but I ended up just going like a you know $20 option they got the job done.
00:34:07
Speaker
Yeah, these that I have were just statues. They didn't have any articulation or anything, but they were like legit, you know, models of the horses. So JJ, what's the favorite project that you've done so far? Like what's been your most favorite thing that you've created? Well, I'll give you two slightly different answers. Okay. The one that I'm most proud of is the ring and cage that I
00:34:37
Speaker
sent to the TV show The Boys Gen V. It's Amazon originals. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we know the boys. Yeah. So their spinoff series Gen V, they they bought a ring and cage for me. That was in the first episode. The ring was at least they haven't shown the cage yet that I've seen.
00:35:02
Speaker
Um, that was really cool to have like, oh yeah, television production company be like, Hey, our prop master saw this on Instagram and has to have it. Um, you know, we want you to build like, they gave me the exact dimensions that they wanted and the exact color scheme. And they're like, all right, you know, here's exactly what we want. It needs to be in Canada on this date for filming. And then to see it actually show up on TV was awesome. Oh my gosh, that's so cool. I can't even imagine how proud you were. Like that's awesome.
00:35:31
Speaker
Yeah, that was that was really cool. I think the the coolest thing I've done actually is the blue and black cage, the big blue. It just I think it turned out perfect. I went through probably seven or eight different manufacturers of blue plastic in order to find the right color. It's permanent and spent.
00:35:56
Speaker
probably close to three weeks printing off test pieces to try and figure out how to get the connectors to attach properly and to snap onto the ring posts and just have the door function properly. It was the first time I've ever tried to do anything like that and it came out perfect. I mean there's nothing that I'm going to change on it going forward from here.
00:36:20
Speaker
Yeah, it's awesome. And I mean, the fact that we don't have that scale of blue cage is just a, it's just a crying shame. So the fact that you filled that gap for the, for the wrestling figure community is awesome. Uh, yeah. And I, I, I say that I know, but I kind of knew that Mattel wasn't going to do anything. Um, I was really surprised that they actually came out with the basic version of it, but Mattel seems to,
00:36:46
Speaker
Create these big projects and then kind of forget about them, but they don't ever come back and say
00:36:52
Speaker
Oh, here's an add on. Here's an additional piece. You know, yeah, that's the thing. We were doomed on this one with that, that first ring being crowdfunded. You know what I mean? So you're already limited. Like we've talked about, I can't remember if it was started before we got on the air, you know, like, I think it ended up being 8,300 people backed it. So they know like absolute, like the audience for this blue cage would be 8,300 people who made it to scale for this ring. So I felt like they had said they were going to re-release that ring eventually, but I don't know if they've shelved that plan or not, you know?
00:37:21
Speaker
Did they expect to sell more than 8,300 of the basic ones? I know, yeah. I don't know. I don't know what their business plan is. But even like the main event ring that they did, there's never been an accessory for that.
00:37:35
Speaker
It was like the one that had the light up ring post and the light up eight. Yeah, those were nice. Yeah, they were awesome. No accessories, no illumination. Zero accessories. It seems like they prefer doing that kind of stuff in the basic scale. Yeah, we had a basic elimination chamber. Yeah, they had a basic hell of a place set a few years back. Yeah, they just, for whatever reason, I mean, I'm assuming it's got to be financial. But you're right, it doesn't make sense that it works out to do it
00:38:00
Speaker
At the basic ceiling. I wonder how much more it would be to just do it for but maybe they're like I mean Maybe the elite scale ring is more marketed to our collectors and the basic ring is more marketed to our children So it's like you know what I mean? It's like it's I think they're coming out with the the play accessories for kids Maybe I don't know like again. I think it comes down to price. You know if you're The the basic ring is it's like what one third the size you know area wise of a bigger one so
00:38:27
Speaker
Yeah, theoretically, you'd have to charge three times as much to get the same product. And if you're charging that much, how many people out there are willing to pay for it? And which is why we saw how the nitro stage died such a bad. So I think it's gonna be a while before we get any, any large scale play sets from Mattel.
00:38:44
Speaker
Yeah, but I mean, I think they could even do, I mean, we've talked about it before on our podcast, like just doing smaller crowdfunds, like they could do a blue cage crowdfund. Like I think that's a very appropriate, with a couple of figures, right? Do a blue cage with a couple of figures, like that's a very manageable crowdfund for people, right? But I mean, the people who had just bought the new gen arena, like asking them to turn around and buy the nitro set, I think it was just, you know, too big of an ask, you know?
00:39:11
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The natural set.
00:39:15
Speaker
I don't know. I have a lot of feelings about that. I thought the figure choice is what doing the Nitro set to me, man. I thought if they would have bid even the figures that they had there, I think if they would have put them in a different order, I think it could have succeeded. But I think the fact that, you know, initially what you were guaranteed to get was the stage, which was awesome. And then a Rey Mysterio figure that was just like whatever. It was a whatever date. It was one of many Rey Mysterio figures and then a Hulk that we had gotten basically the same figure just the year before. And I think it just never had any of the momentum from the from the jump.
00:39:44
Speaker
No, because if it would have been four stellar figures, the figure community would have backed it and just sold off their rings just to get the figures, you know what I mean? Or yeah, sorry, the stage. Just to get the... I thought maybe they should have just gone, don't even do the tier thing, just come up with what number you need to get to get everything all at once. I think just the whole strategy out there this time, I think was just flawed from the jump. Yeah.
00:40:09
Speaker
We were talking to Joe on the custom figure podcast about this and I, I said that they shouldn't have done figures at all. Like all of the add-ons should have been, you know, um, WCW ring steps or thunder aprons for the nitro ring or a commentator announce area. Um, a white Humvee, you know, like just other things that there's no way you'd ever get them outside of this stage.
00:40:34
Speaker
We're going to get a Scott Steiner. We're going to get another Mysterio. We're going to get another Hogan. There was nothing that was presented that was absolutely the only time ever you're going to get. For sure. Nate, did you have thoughts on it? Yeah, I was going to say, if they were so hell bent on figures, why not make five figures that were only going to release with that stage? Someone like Mortis, Glacier, Raven.
00:41:03
Speaker
You know, we had this. Yeah, we've had this exact question on our podcast like that. Give us those like obscure figures that again, you're not going to get in the mainline that aren't going to go to stores that aren't going to be on shelves like they're just for the most hardcore of the hardcore. Right. Right. Which is what that stage is. I mean, you know, the kids today that are collecting, you know, the the new era of figures don't care about a WCW stage from 25 years ago.
00:41:34
Speaker
Yeah, like it was specifically targeted hardcore collectors and Yeah, it just and they they dropped the ball. Yeah, I don't know what I mean, they they just they just didn't get it right and the the numbers, you know showed that I was really hopeful it would back just because I wanted to use the truss in my own custom stages, you know, like Yeah, I like to the lights a lot and I really enjoyed I mean the truss looks great. There's no reason why
00:42:02
Speaker
I just was thinking, well, shit. I like WCW, but I want my own custom stuff. There's no reason why I can't take it apart and make a little stage. That was my hopes. We wanted to succeed too. Obviously, I'm shitting on it now, but we wanted it to succeed. We were big proponents of it. Because again, we just knew if this thing doesn't succeed, the chances of us getting anything going forward. We have to get that raw stage everybody wanted. It needed to happen.
00:42:29
Speaker
It needed to happen to keep the momentum for the crowdfund situation going, and it just didn't. The raw stage I really liked, but what was with the weird side walls that it came with? I know they had that scaffolding thing on the sides, but I don't ever recall a camera halfway
00:42:53
Speaker
up, like how they had it. Yeah. You know, there were spotlights that they had up there. They had, they had guys on the things. I don't know. I just think it could have been more accurate. You know, I mean, I think it was cool, but you know, if they're going to make any raw stage, give me personally, I wouldn't want the raw stage from 2001. I still think that to this day, that's one of my favorite stages of all time. That trust was beautiful.
00:43:23
Speaker
You just want those circular trust pieces. I want the whole thing, but yes, those specifically. Speaking of trusses, I know we mentioned that you've tried those and it's just you haven't quite nailed it. Other than that, has there been anything that you've tried to create that just really didn't pan out the way that you thought it was going to? Trusses are definitely my white whale. I'm still working on them.
00:43:51
Speaker
tasked with coming up with a crowd control barrier that they use WWE like on the entrance ramp. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Goldberg.
00:44:03
Speaker
has asked me to make my last show. At the end of the show, Matt Goldberg, yeah. I've been. He was actually just on this weekend. He dropped an interview with our other co-worker. Yeah, he did that interview with our other podcast host, Marco, on his spin-off show, Open Mic. So, you know, give- Good synergy, man. We appreciate the cross-promotion. Yeah, exactly. My three guys. Awesome.
00:44:26
Speaker
listen to it last night while on the road and it was great. Matt had me die and laugh and tell him the story about Boli Ray because I had a pretty similar experience with him and TNA and I just was like, that guy just must be an ass all the time. It was great. Check it out. But yes, I've tried to make this this crowd control barrier. I'm I don't know. I'm like seven versions deep in it right now. And it's it's just not
00:44:53
Speaker
coming out how I want, so I'm still playing with it. I don't know. Hopefully that comes out at some point. That there's not really. A lot of things that. I've started and not finished or don't have plans to finish. I guess trust is I still have a plan to finish them at some point, but there's just there's other things that keep.
00:45:18
Speaker
coming up that I think I'm going to, you know, I'll focus on that and get that done. And then maybe you'll come back to Trusses at some point. I don't know. It's hard because do you have any pieces with 3D printing? Because 3D 3D printers like the FDM, the ones that like melt plastic, they're not 100 percent accurate. So I can print the exact same piece 10 times and it might come out three different ways. Hmm.
00:45:41
Speaker
And so trying to get four connectors on each corner to line up perfectly with four other connectors on another piece and have that repeatable. They compare them perfectly square. Yeah. Yeah. It's been difficult. And people that have been doing injection molding and printing, like Mattel, even that process, the plastic shrinks. They have to account for it. But they've got 100 years of experience figuring this stuff out.
00:46:12
Speaker
I've got a couple years I'm still trying. So it's coming, I think.
00:46:17
Speaker
Awesome. I got faith in you, dude. I know you can do it, dude. We're going to stay on you now, dude. We're going to send you a motivational, every Monday morning, dude, at 6 AM. How's the trusses coming, JJ? Yeah, we're going to send you a Monday morning truss photo to keep the dream alive. Send them some pictures of our arena upstairs and be like, man, some trusses. That's some trussing. We'll really just set this thing off. What's missing from this picture, JJ? Yeah.
00:46:43
Speaker
So do you have any goals to expand into any other genres outside of wrestling? Well, going back to Goldberg, he has also asked me to do some Star Wars prints for him. And so actually it was summer of last year I played around with some files and came up with like a part of a Death Star hallway. Oh, nice.
00:47:09
Speaker
haven't finished it by any means. I don't know if that's going to go anywhere. That was just kind of a, hey, you know, is this something you can do? Do you want to play around with this? And I played around with it for a bit. Focus, it focuses on wrestling. Yeah, that's, that's the figures that I have. That's the scale that I'm accustomed to.
00:47:27
Speaker
There's so many things that I want to do in the wrestling space right now that to even think about going somewhere else, like I'd love to start making some stuff for the G.I. Joe classified series. I mean, there's really cool. The X-Men 97 series that's coming back out. Yeah, there's there's so many things. And like if I could quit my job, my day job and work on this stuff full time, probably. But of course, yeah, it's not going to happen. So I don't see myself really going outside of wrestling.
00:47:54
Speaker
We always just call them Matt, so it took me a second to process. When you said going back to Goldberg, I was picturing my Bill Goldberg just smashing Star Wars figures together and being like, oh, I need some custom accessories for this. Goldberg can cuss with Hasbro Star Wars figures. Exactly, exactly. Smashing an AT-AT into his forehead.
00:48:15
Speaker
So I wanna finish and wrap up. I wanna ask you guys, you kind of gave us a little bit of a sneak peek before we started recording, but I want you guys to tell us about this exciting new project that you guys have coming up. So a lot of my projects, I have like a master list of like things that I really wanna do and things that I really should do and things that would be really cool to do.
00:48:39
Speaker
And then I'll just get completely distracted by like new figure releases that I see. I'm like, Oh, I could just go do this instead. And so they Mattel announced a Sean Michaels Razor Amone ladder match to pack for WrestleMania 10. Yeah, we pre-ordered that about 30 seconds after I went live. Yeah. As soon as I saw that, I said, WrestleMania 10, I could do that. So that's what it's going to be. It's going to be.
00:49:08
Speaker
five different accessories that you can add on as you choose. So there's going to be a basic WrestleMania 10 entrance set with the sliding opening X doors. Nice. You can add on a light board that will sit behind it that's remote controlled from your phone that can do different light colors and designs. Yeah. Gold guardrails to go around the ring.
00:49:38
Speaker
black floor mats and then also the black and gold ropes with Buckle pads with the proper WWF logo on them So will those so that rope and buckle set would that be compatible with the Mattel? Ultimate edition ring. Yes. Oh my god. Yeah
00:49:58
Speaker
You know, you know, you're talking to a guy, WrestleMania, you see, I'm like this hardcore figure, a wrestling collector, and WrestleMania 10 is my all time favorite pay-per-view, man. So like, yeah, we, we tape in the, we got like a little sitting area, kind of like between our kitchen and living room where we record our podcast at. And I'm looking, I can literally see my wallet just like opening up on its own right now, man. And like my debit card is like wiggling out just hearing this description, dude. So yeah, we would definitely, do you have an idea of when these are going to go up for pre-order?
00:50:28
Speaker
I'm hoping by end of January, I wanted to kind of coincide with the launch of those figures. Yeah. At Christmas time, this time of year, such a hard time to focus on designing new products. For sure. But I just released last Friday. Was it last Friday? Friday a week ago? I don't know. The silver version of the guardrail. So part of the problem is that a lot of things I have to test out. And so this is a way of testing
00:50:56
Speaker
Is this guardrail? You know, desirable and doable, and does it function correctly? So I'm selling a few of those, getting those out in the market, getting some feedback and then. Nate's going to be getting a full set of everything in the next hopefully week. From there, it goes to. Matt Goldberg, he'll get a copy of it for pictures.
00:51:22
Speaker
Great choice. Manny from Figure Kingdom. He also gets a copy of my stuff. Another friend of the show. He's an OG. They're both great. Matt and Manny, those two guys, I met them pretty early on in 2019 and just been great friends ever since. They're constantly supportive. They're so talented. Yeah, incredibly talented guys. Yeah.
00:51:48
Speaker
Yeah, so they'll get a version of it. They'll take their pictures. They'll give me their feedback. I try and incorporate their feedback into the final, final version. So there's still quite a few steps to get done, but I hope to at least have it fully announced, ready for start starting to purchase to having some pictures on hand by the end of next month.
00:52:06
Speaker
Awesome, and like we said, we will keep all of our listeners in the loop on that and we'll post it on our social media when that goes live for pre-order. So you don't have to worry, we'll keep you guys updated if you don't have to worry about missing out on the WrestleMania 10 set. So I wanna go ahead and pitch it to Nate. And Nate, go ahead and plug all your social medias where we can find you and JJ and any closing thoughts that you guys have.
00:52:30
Speaker
Awesome. Well, first off, as for JJ and I just wanted to thank you guys for having us on. And really enjoy listening to the show as I'm driving around waiting for crazy calls to come in through work. So having you guys to listen to talk wrestling and toys really gets my
00:52:50
Speaker
my excitement going for all the projects that we have. Also, I want to thank everybody that follows Custom Toy Rings for being so patient with us. We've had numerous setbacks and things happen throughout the years, so we really appreciate the patience and understanding that
00:53:07
Speaker
We just as much as everybody else can't wait to get commissions back open. Yeah. I'll just jump in real quick. Just be patient with these guys. You have to understand they're not Amazon, they're not Mattel. They're literally making these things in their free time. Labor of love. Labor of love, dude. It's a freaking love of the game passion project. We talked to our buddy Dan Turnquist who does a lot of 3D printing and stuff.
00:53:32
Speaker
Same thing, dude. Life happens and you can't always get to the things that you thought you were going to get to. Just always be kind and patient. The stuff's always worth the wait. The stuff is worth the wait. It's going to be worth the wait. You're not getting this stuff anywhere else. Just know that these guys are working their butts off after they get done with their day jobs to bring this stuff to us just because they love it as much as we do. Sorry to interject, Nate, but I just want to- No, no. I appreciate it.
00:54:01
Speaker
Yeah, give a little PSA. I also want to thank Matt and Manny, just because without those two guys, you know, I can only do so much. And what I can bring to the table is very simple photography. Matt and Manny are expert storytellers. They are the Steven Spielberg to I don't even know my my Skinemax, you know, directing.
00:54:29
Speaker
We do a little bit of photography. I don't know how much effort it is to just do the B-minus type stuff that we do. The amount of effort and thought and creativity is crazy. You do great stuff, Nate. Don't sell yourself short. Nobody can compare themselves to people like Matt and Manny.
00:54:49
Speaker
No, they've got this, they've got the years of experience and it speaks for itself, you know? So, Matt May, thank you guys so much. I mean, you guys have been just so...
00:55:00
Speaker
I don't even think I have a verb to just express the gratitude that we have for their photography to really show and enlight our products in the way that they have. It makes me sing, man. Yeah. Yeah. But anyways, yeah, you can find JJ at Custom Toy Rings on Twitter slash X and Instagram and threads, if that's still a thing.
00:55:27
Speaker
I don't participate. I don't participate in the threads. I have too many. I have too many other social media things going on. So yeah, I did not jump on threads. Yeah. Hard to keep up on it. And then I'm a, I'm just on Instagram at creature from the toy lagoon. So yeah. And we'll make sure to have leaks in the, uh, in the show notes of this episode to make it very easy to, uh, to follow these guys. If you don't already.
00:55:49
Speaker
Yep. And so, uh, we want to just in the show by asking each of you what your favorite wrestling match is of all time. It's something that we do with everybody that we interview. We want to know, uh, just dig a little bit and find out, you know, all time favorite match, all time favorite match. So I'll start with JJ JJ. What's your all time favorite match? Oh my God. Um, I think the only way I could even possibly narrow it down to be to say that was something I had sought in person.
00:56:14
Speaker
Um, so I'm going to say, uh, WrestleMania 19 Austin's retirement match against the rock. Great choice. Just watched that recently. Still holds up. Yeah, that was a great match. Nate. That's a hard one. Um,
00:56:33
Speaker
Okay. If we're doing based on matches we saw live, I'm going to say Alistair Black versus Adam Cole take over Philadelphia. Phenomenal match. You like that one? I got to ask, man, you like that one better than Andrade and Johnny Gargano and the main event? Because to me, that's like that Gargano and Andrade match. That's like my favorite match in the last five or six years. I thought that was freaking incredible.
00:56:57
Speaker
Malakai Black is my favorite wrestler. I love everything that guy does. I just wish he would be featured more. I could go on for 20 minutes. House of Black is awesome. We've been on our House of Black and Aleister Black and Malakai Black changed it so many times. They're so awesome. All three of the guys are great, but yeah, especially Malakai.
00:57:18
Speaker
And shout out to Brody King, too. I've reached out to him a few times on Instagram. And dude is just as cool as can be. I mean, he is like everything I want in a wrestler, a big, meaty motherfucker that's going to come in and cannonball everybody. And yeah, scary as can be, but just like the coolest dude. But back to the question. Okay. Favorite match. I have three that come to mind if that's okay. All right. First, first is going to be my all time.
00:57:48
Speaker
Rockin Austin WrestleMania 17. I don't think there's ever gonna be a storyline that's better than them two guys back and forth I mean a beautiful story between them guys second match just because I Absolutely loved watching it and loved watching Shane McMahon just get his ass handed to him, but it was scary, but Kurt Angle Shane McMahon king of the ring 2001. That was just in the plate glass window. Yes absolutely crazy match and then if I'm gonna do a w
00:58:18
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you
00:58:19
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Still to this day, I think it's the best tag team match I've ever seen in my life. The Young Bucks versus Kenny Omega and Hangman Page at Revolution 2020. I love that match. I go through and watch that tag match over and over. So yeah, I love those guys, you know? But yeah, thanks for having us on, guys. It's been a blast. Oh my gosh. Really appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you guys so much. It was a pleasure talking to you all. We're always down to talk to people who are just doing incredible things for the wrestling community. I love talking to people who are just
00:58:49
Speaker
passionate about the hobby, and you guys are, and it was our pleasure to have you on tonight. Thanks, guys. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks again. Sheena, check out your DMs on Instagram. I sent you a little sneak peek of that WrestleMania 10. Oh, let's go. All right, guys. Thanks for listening. Okay.
00:59:25
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you