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Season 4- Episode 22-A Five Team Comp (Premiership Round 14)
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It's another episode of those American rugby idiots. On this episode we have a look at the kickoff of 6 Nations this coming weekend and do our best to guess who takes home the honors, it's anyone's to take this year...well almost. We also discuss the big news coming out of Devon that made more people happy for Exeter in awhile, OK maybe that was just us. Of course, we have a look back in the week that was including some major upsets and one that was considered an upset, but was it? Crack something good open and have a chuckle with us!
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Introduction and Fancy Burger Game
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Hey, everybody, welcome back. It is a fancy burger game. My name is Jared. I'm Ben Louser. Here we go. Let's get to it. It's a big week for everybody here. Yeah, just let's do that. It's Six Nations. Yeah, let's get to it. But first, we drink. We do. This is going to settle in for this one.
Support and Fantasy Team Management
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00:01:23
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Black History Month and NFL Racism Issues
00:01:44
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Black Lives Matter, as always on this podcast, and there is no room for racism. Big one for the month, Black History Month, and it should be more than we should be educating ourselves more often than one month a year.
00:01:59
Speaker
If it starts somewhere down the road, I suppose it's okay. But yeah, I hope we learn to educate ourselves more than one month a year on this, because it's history. It's not just black history, it's history. And this one's starting with some history, I believe in the making. I don't disagree.
00:02:19
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former Dolphins coach, Brian Flores, is suing the Dolphins, the NFL, and I think two other teams. Giants and Houston, maybe? Probably. Houston sounds right. Houston wouldn't make sense because their owner is fucking racist. Bobbing there, yeah. Yeah. I think they even have tape of him saying ridiculously racist things. Oh, totally. Yeah, they've said something like that. That's easy right there.
00:02:45
Speaker
This guy, he took the dolphins to two winning seasons. The dolphins, I think it's fired. And the allegations against the dolphins are outside of the racism, the holy shit, the sliminess that he's alleging that it's going on with the dolphins is in like paying. They were, he was going to get paid $100,000 for every loss his, I think his first year so that they would get the first pick in the draft.
00:03:16
Speaker
And it's like, fuck you. Reasons I like relegation and promotion. Yeah. And it's like, so there's that. And then they wanted him to break NFL like tampering rules and stuff. And he's like, no, I won't do it and give specific instances of it. So like there's a whole bunch of like. So for those listening overseas, when we hear shit about like Saracens,
00:03:45
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It's fucking nothing. All right. Or Lester, which is obviously the most recent one. Right. Any of these things, it's nothing. These are good problems to have for what we're used to. Yeah, comparatively. It's extremely racist, extremely old boys. Our sports culture is completely cocked here.
00:04:10
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And I think this is a good way for, you know, it's moving in the right direction. The play, it's one thing now that like the players used to buy into, oh, no, this is, you know, this is the NFL, this is, but the players now are like, no, that's bullshit. I'm not like, yeah, it's not good enough. They're not standing, you know, they, yeah, exactly. It's like, no, we're all good enough. We belong
Social Media's Impact on Locker Room Transparency
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here. So we can say things and we can, and they're right. And,
00:04:35
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Certainly, the players have more have more influence in the public than owners and coaches do. Right. So, you know, that's like, okay, yeah, you might lose in the court, you might lose in the court of justice, but you are not a court of law, but you are not gonna lose in the court of public opinion, if you're a racist piece of crap.
00:04:55
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Because it also used to be like a very tight-knit thing. Like, going, you know, seeing anything behind the scenes in a locker room was so hard to get. Now it's like they're fucking tweeting videos of it. Like, everybody's like, oh, okay, that's what happened. Yeah, that's kind of what goes on in locker rooms. It's not some super secret thing. And so you can't hide these things anymore. Right. That's why things like hard knocks and all or nothing and all these other ones, all these inside,
00:05:19
Speaker
shows are now a thing because everybody appreciated those but what those were a new thing and new concept when they first started so there were people were very interested in that so yeah lots so we're gonna see a whole yeah this this is gonna go turn into a shit show yeah and especially with the Gruden I mean we already see what happened John Gruden earlier this year there's more like the NFL made him the fall guy
00:05:44
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So we're going to see a lot. Discovery is going to be interesting in this one. That could be a tip of very nasty iceberg. Yeah. Good luck.
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Okay. Also, don't forget that we have a Patreon out there and we are going to try and get some stuff up for six nations coming up in super, I mean, so don't, don't you worry, kids. That'll, that'll, that'll be included as best we can here. But yeah, grab that, grab a hold of that and beat the crap out of your friends in your leagues. All right.
Exeter's Branding Change and Indigenous History
00:06:13
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Speaking of racism, Exeter are finally changing their branding. Thank the freaking Lord. My, my goodness. Just, yeah.
00:06:23
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They still did the fucking chant, though, which is annoying, but that's all right. It was only a thankfully it was only a smattering. It sounds like it sounds like and I think a lot of people probably threw beers at him or something. Yeah, because that's just. Yeah, nobody wants it. It's bad. Go away. Time to go. And now you're now they're at least admitting like that was wrong. So hopefully they can start to weed out what what's going on at their own park. I like this new chief guy. He's interesting. He's wearing lipstick. That's cool.
00:06:51
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It's all very different, you know, that nobody had searched for this tribe until like ever, until this came out. So it's actually, you know, somebody pointed out it's really cool that they're actually trying to find out what's going on, what happened with their area, the history of their region. That is way more valuable to anybody else out there. So, yeah.
00:07:19
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So we got that taken care of Yahoo. Now we got to get right three teams over here. Still fucking right. Like the other week when you're showing the Chiefs and they're doing the same chant, it was like inclusivity is key in the back of the end zone. Something like that. Yeah. Oh, man. That is so you can't you couldn't get a more stupid scene than that right there. Right. That audio and video and it doesn't align. They don't match. They don't match.
00:07:49
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Bleh. Yeah. Anyway, good for the good for good
Six Nations Preview: Teams and Predictions
00:07:53
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for Exeter. I'm actually like, you know, I have plenty to criticize them for on the field now. Oh, I still fucking hate them, but not for this reason. Right. This is OK. Good. Get better. And either way, I yeah, there's going to be the asshole diehards who are going to do the chant as much as possible between now and then. But once it's once.
00:08:16
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Once that that chief is gone, once it's, you know, um, you know, a respectable thing, there's no, there's no reason to do it except to be racist. So, um, we've, we love, I'm going to guess we've heard that we will have heard the last of it at the end of this season. So that's nice to go a comp without hearing that. That'd be amazing. Right. Amazing.
00:08:44
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Okay. All right. So, we were going to have extra help on this one, but we'll loop them in next time. Six Nations preview. Yee-hoo! So, I can guarantee you that nobody besides the Welsh backed themselves for winning last year. True. So, we know how good this exercise is in that case. Right. Yeah.
00:09:10
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I mean, there's always the jam. There's no doubt about it that like, you know, they talk about French flair and, you know, Irish brutality. There's, you know, the Welsh just had that they'll just fucking tick their thumb in your eye just to fuck with you. And then maybe end up winning or something, you know, not literally, but it's just like.
00:09:33
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tactically, I would say do that. And it's like just annoy you enough to pull out a win. Right. So they're always capable, but it's hard to pick them. That's for sure. Yes. Yes. No, I don't disagree. They, they don't have Alan when they don't have Ken Owens to start out. He's going to be available at all. Right.
00:09:53
Speaker
So it's gonna be, again, it's gonna be once again, tough to pick them. So I can't say I'm going to, here's the thing about this particular one coming up. And I feel like, sorry, Italy, the five other teams out there, not named Italy, all are reasonable to think that they'll win it.
00:10:12
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Certainly. They all have legitimate shots. That's really not something we've dealt with for a while now. No. There's no one or there's no one, two, or even three. It's a five team competition, unfortunately. And like you said, Italy, I still don't think they're as far away as it seems. I think these are just really good fucking teams right now.
00:10:36
Speaker
Yes, I do agree with that. You can see it with, when Italy goes against tier two teams, like at the World Cup and even on travels, nine times out of 10, they beat the pants off of them. So, yeah.
00:10:52
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You might, yeah, it's not that, and Georgia we've seen is not, I don't know, Italy's level. It's, I'm sorry, it's just not, no. So Italy is the best option and they're still a good team. And these teams, you know, even if, yeah, it's like, they're not, it's not going to be easy to beat these teams. It's that these teams are good.
00:11:12
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Like, Italy can play some rugby. They made teams work to beat them, but it's like they are just good enough to do that work a lot. And so, you know, it's tough. I feel bad for Italy, but this is a five-team comp.
00:11:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's going to be a race. This opening, which makes this opening weekend probably one of the more exciting weekends of Six Nations we've anticipated for quite a while, honestly. I don't recall one that has, you know, we've seen five teams that all, if they play to their potential and, you know, all their superstars show up,
00:11:51
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the world's going to go a light and it's going to be amazing. You know, so yeah, this is, I am, I'm, I'm looking at my chops, looking forward to this, not just restrict fancy perspective. I am really excited about this tournament this year. And right. I mean, we could score to England. Yeah, we could see, we could see 60 points put up in each match. I wouldn't be shocked combined. No, and would not be. That would be fun.
00:12:19
Speaker
I agree, I agree. So let's, I'll put you on the spot first, and I'll take my, type my whack at it. Who wins? France. Okay. I think they're beyond the French moment, just because the like,
00:12:37
Speaker
If DuPont has a bad game. I mean, like, I don't know if he's even playing this weekend. So that's one thing. Because it's just because it's against Italy and they don't really need him. Yeah, you might hold him out for a week. Right. Even though I know he played last weekend, but that's not the point.
00:12:59
Speaker
You know, Intimac will be fine. VQ will be around. Like, they have so many weapons, Aldri. Yeah. And they're stacked in the front. Like, they're just strong. Their Type 5 is strong. Like, there's no weakness on that squad. There's weaknesses on a lot of other squads. And so, even if France have a, like, you know, how French game, they could win it this time. Like, going away. They might leak it out. Yeah.
00:13:22
Speaker
I have a terrible game and still blow them out by 20 points and not Italy. I mean, like a Scotland, it could happen. Like you could see it happening. And so. Yeah, I think I have to go France. They may be how French proof. Yeah, I know. It might be. It might be. I am. Yeah, I'm on the the Jewish Jewish go. Oh, man. Yeah, I'll let it boys. Yeah, I am.
00:13:51
Speaker
If you're the rooster, I am back on that. I was about them probably in, I think it was 2007 when they knocked off the all blacks, if I remember correctly.
00:14:03
Speaker
Making sure I'm not messing up my history here. And then even in the 2011, I was like, okay, this could be France. And I was kind of excited to see them potentially take on the World Cup. So I'm very hopeful of what is going to happen to this team with them hosting 2023. And I really believe this is where the
00:14:26
Speaker
true rise towards that, the true ascent to that starts. And I'm not saying that they're nailed on to win it because they aren't, but... No, because a lot can happen between now and then. Absolutely. They're either peaking at the wrong time or they're building a champion. Like, that's where they are right now. They're peaking. They're hitting an ascension. Yeah.
00:14:51
Speaker
But are they peaking or are they? Could we? And they maintain. Could we see one of the typical Irish peak a year early and come back down to Earth?
00:15:02
Speaker
a year later, I'm a world cup, as they as they win a grand slam and everything. And I'm not saying it's outside the cards, especially if they're not come, they might heavily lean on Sexton too much, in which case that's not going to happen. Yeah, no. If they're wise, they'd start rotating. I think carbon is healthy again. So get him in there. Yeah, get, you know, split his minutes to 60 minutes at most, at most, then they've been doing that. I just
00:15:31
Speaker
Yeah. I'm not sure. I don't know what they're, I don't know who they're going to play. So that's all. That's what comes down to a lot of them in these, uh, these teams. It's like, yeah, do they play the, that kind of their, their standard guys, or do they play some guys who are playing really, really well right now? Yeah. So we'll get to them. Yep. We shall see, but it's going to be fun. Just the same.
00:15:57
Speaker
If if England, so OK, if Eddie lets the kids loose, just fucking go, even even if Young's is playing. Mm hmm.
00:16:10
Speaker
this could be a freaking dangerous team. Um, yeah, they could start running riot. Right. And considering that like he tipped it, you know, it keeps the training wheels on Ford and, um, and fast pretty tightly. I don't know what's going to come with that. Like Smith strengths are, you know, if he's going to be your 10 shackles off, right? My, my football, my college coach said, dance, dance with the girl. What brought you?
00:16:40
Speaker
And it's like, if this is what brings this guy's success, fucking go with, that's why you're picking him because of his success. So go with what makes him successful. So I hope that's what happens. And if it does, then France will get a run for their money and the other teams will get blown away. Correct. I don't disagree because he is that type of talent. He is.
00:17:06
Speaker
Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not like overselling him. And it's not just that it's him. It's that now you, you, you put the players around him, like that's going to be ridiculous. If you, you know, you have Dom or Sam, um, let alone Dom and Sam, if you play it right. Like if they go Dom, Sam and, and Curry. Curry. It's a good background. It's a tough background. Are you fucking kidding me? It really is. And you, and then you still have fucking Mauro.
00:17:34
Speaker
And whoever else who put it luck. I don't know if Courtney's not available. I think it's going to be yours this weekend. That's good. You're just a good like workhorse guy. That would be.
00:17:46
Speaker
Excellent. Good complementary to everybody else. Yep. Right. Might be a sequel. We'll see. Right. Right. And you have Ganj around, too, as a as a fucking rhino. You have all these options of guys who will just go. Why? Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you see what this could do? What like fucking mad scientists cackle at it as it happens? And like, because that's what I do. Fuck what? I see that shit. I fucking chuckle and giggle and it's it's silly.
00:18:16
Speaker
Because it's great. Yeah. I hope they do it. I'm begging you, Eddie. Come on, man. Let's go. It's more fun. It's the way rugby is being played now, too. It's almost the same as we were talking about with the NFL, except in this case, it's like playing rugby. Let us play. Don't let us. We don't want to kick. Fuck. We want to run. Yes. I understand. I understand completely. Okay.
00:18:45
Speaker
Ah, let's go to, um, there was matches this weekend,
Rugby Match Analyses: Bath vs. Quinn's and Others
00:18:51
Speaker
right? Yeah. Okay. There we go. I believe so. Uh, Friday night, um, painful one for Quinn's at the office, um, bath and Quinn's at the rec and bath fronted up. And there's a whole lot to love about the new guy in town.
00:19:09
Speaker
I mean, he I wear this Nathan, I haven't we haven't seen this Nathan Hughes in a long time. No, let's let's I mean, we haven't seen this from his last season or two at wasps. I'm not you know, Bristol is nothing. Bristol got the guy they signed. Bath are getting somebody else, somebody we haven't seen in like maybe five years, it feels like close to it, probably.
00:19:36
Speaker
Um, and it's what they needed. Like, could you imagine him with like under Hill would have, would have been nice if he had been healthy. Yep. Right. Um,
00:19:47
Speaker
And they did this with like, you know, centers. I don't know why they didn't have red path at 10. First off, that was kind of silly, but. I don't think it mattered. They were willing to switch them both very, very willingly. Right. I thought of Jimo played pretty pretty well himself. So I'm not saying it was just odd to see why not just go red path at 10, because he's, you know, played there internationally or whatever.
00:20:13
Speaker
And mirror I thought that was had then they then they pulled him off. Yeah, he was
00:20:21
Speaker
That is the warm year that everybody remembers from last season and was right. What has been looking for? He's been a little banged up, you know, to admit, but right. Yeah. Well, he's pulled something on his last try. So yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Seems to be in the air as well. Since right. Deal lamb came off after running probably a little too far that he's used to. Right.
00:20:48
Speaker
One guy we didn't give a ton of credit to last week and I think deserved it and should definitely get it this week is.
00:20:56
Speaker
The young man, Cordwell, from Bath, the prop, I thought last week, you know, playing against a team that is touted as a potential European winner and holding his own for quite a long time. And then this week, again, just holding his own, not really a whole lot to be mad about when it comes to him. So I give full credit to Cordwell and very good propering.
00:21:24
Speaker
Yeah, you know who I didn't notice at all this match until late? And I was like, holy shit, he's like, it may have been like,
00:21:32
Speaker
30 or so minutes into the match before I even noticed he was playing. Mike Williams. Mike Williams. There's no card on the table. What the hell? Right. He had zero penalties conceded. That's ridiculous. I would never I would not have bet that at all. Right. I mean, I'm I'm I don't know what to say about that. I would have laid the opposite on. Right. On the other side, though,
00:22:02
Speaker
I mean, Tal Lottie was...
00:22:07
Speaker
He was Nathan Hughes like, and not that, not this Nathan, the other Nathan Hughes. The old one. Right. Not good. And they got on the ball to him. I thought the Queens did a bad job of identifying early on who, like where they should be going. Cause there were certain guys like 20 minutes in, I was like, don't like, just keep the ball away from Talani. Like this is not, not today. It's not on today. Like you got to recognize these things. There were times when I was playing, I mean,
00:22:35
Speaker
I would, you know, you know, as much as anybody, we've played enough. I'm pretty handy with the ball for a prop. But that also means for a prop. So there are some days when my hands are fucking dick hands and I can't do anything with them. You know what I do at that point? If I get the ball, I just eat it. Just tuck it. Just tuck it. And I'm like, you know, OK, you know, I'm giving them like I'm not doing anything with this because it's not my day.
00:22:58
Speaker
Players, especially when you're a professional have to realize that too and be like, okay, we got to flip this. You know, maybe this is the way we were supposed to set up, but no, I'm going to move inside to the, to the, to one of the pods and we'll put someone else, you know, let someone else get a chance to run. Cause that's not my time. Right. And, and you know, they had Marley and, and, um, Hugh Jones and Nick David, they were, they were all full of running. Green was having a bad day. Um,
00:23:25
Speaker
So they had guys who could run, they had options, Esther Hazen, like obviously they had guys, they just use the wrong guys. Um, it was just unfortunate. That's, that's, that's all coaching at that point is that they got to recognize that and get the messages in. Yeah. The, um, the bath men brought it though. And I'm sure the everybody at the rec, I'm sure everybody at the rec is
00:23:53
Speaker
just breathing a nice sigh of relief. Break them up. What? That's two wins in a row? Yeah, break them up because. Yeah, just, you know, obviously the season they've had injuries being a huge part of it, but injuries injuries happen. But so you don't want to put your hat on that when it comes to a bad season. But it's it still has that that feel and that aura and you have one just
00:24:19
Speaker
shunt it as fast as possible. So yeah, good on bath and that, you know, they're not a club that you want to see, you know, down in the dumps by any means whatsoever. So not at all. I'm glad. I'm very glad that they deserve a home win against the champs. That's, that's, you know, you're right. They need it all. And those fans deserve a lot better than they've been getting. And yeah, this is good. Good for them. Give them something to cheer about. Yeah.
00:24:45
Speaker
Yeah, good for you, Beth. OK, let's go to Saturday over to let's go to Brentford and over to London Irish and Exeter. I'm an Irish 18 Exeter 14. And I can't say I'm surprised, honestly. No, not really. I'm not. I mean, Exeter didn't have too much like that was about what I expected.
00:25:09
Speaker
You know, who scored their tries? Let me see. I can't recall. Woodburn and shtickling. Yeah, the problem. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The Woodburn try was pretty sweet. The Woodburn one was very good. I was like, oh, that's what they've been missing. Now I understand. Right.
00:25:31
Speaker
And the problem is there's so much to like that came off the bench. I mean, Josh Hodge, why is Ian Whitten on that pitch when you have Josh Hodge sitting there? I don't have an answer. I really don't. Yeah, Grondona played, I thought played terrifically. Why do we, and yeah, it came in for an arm and got hurt, but it's like, why are we seeing Kirsten and Ewers? Ewers was awful.
00:25:59
Speaker
Dumbass day. Just awful. Everything he did was like backwards or a penalty or just stupid. Like he stands out for how bad he plays and they kind of they still talk him up, which is odd to me. Always. Yeah, I don't understand. There's like it's not like good things are happening when he's getting the ball and Skinner and Gray were ridiculous and they won't be around next week either. So way by by to that.
00:26:25
Speaker
Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see what happens next week. I'm out of care for this Exeter team in terms of the way they play and what they're doing. They're now in seventh.
00:26:38
Speaker
Yeah. They're not even playing. If the game, if this ends today, they're not even playing champions cup rugby right now. Is Rob Simmons your spirit animal? Cause this week he was mine. He was, he was a beast. He was a beast. Mean to those big gentlemen from, from like, he was just crushing. Oh, that was, that was fun to watch. Yeah. It was great.
00:27:03
Speaker
I enjoyed greatly a lot of the stuff that Irish were doing the Stokes try was a piece of work was that was glorious was more of that please really really enjoyed that and how about this young the kid and I and I he caught my eye the first time I saw him and since then
00:27:24
Speaker
Tom Pearson is going to be a force to reckon with. He's not a super baby, but young enough to still improve leaps and bounds.
00:27:37
Speaker
I think I think there's something there. So right. He said he he played Kenningham like, like, there have reminded me a lot of him. I didn't really make that connection until just now, because he didn't even have that he had the head wrap, too. So I think that's why I was thinking about that, too, because of the head wrap, like he's getting and look, oh, my God, they played together. They played alike, too.
00:28:01
Speaker
Mm hmm. Yeah. So like, like, like, like there's I want to see more of him because the back row for Irish are kind of the kind of boring, to be perfectly honest. So they are. They are. Rodgerson is nothing. He's solid. He's never going to write. He's never going to lose you a match, but he's not going to stand out completely head and shoulders about very often, at least. Right.
00:28:28
Speaker
Tua Sui either is hurt or is clearly just out of favor. One of the other. Yeah, he's had really poor form for a while, so. Yeah. They do like Cracknell. I know Sean O'Brien. I think Sean O'Brien's role is off the bench for them as best served. I agree. So starting him is kind of a, you know, to me. I think that was because of Exeter.
00:28:49
Speaker
I think that was the title matchup based because he only played 57. It's not like he played like forever. That was a go hit some people and then we'll run on him later. Yeah and then I also think they should be excited about Juan González. I can't say it too many words. Juan Martin González because he's
00:29:10
Speaker
He's got a motor. And as far as back rowers go, you look pretty good in there as well for the limited action he had. It's nice to see that motor back. Yep. And with the Tri-Assist too, he's ready to go. Yep. I like a lot of good things going on over there at Brentford. Keep them going. Just get rid of the guy that... The new 10. Okay. Let's go over to six ways and...
00:29:36
Speaker
Can't say we were expecting less. What happened? I turned this game on at halftime because they were a little bit off.
00:29:45
Speaker
and I saw the Mitchell try. Like I stepped over just in time to see that. And I was like, well, I have seen this game. I didn't go back and rewatch it. I'm like, that's okay. Yeah. Like that was, he was gone. He was gone from a distance and there was just, yeah. Yeah. I mean, there were some good things that Worcester were doing. I still think it's,
00:30:13
Speaker
I think Jonathan Thomas got a really rough shake and he handled it like a gentleman too, which all the credit in the world to that guy. Club guy, nice, the good loyalty. But yeah, like, and he could have easily thrown a stink about this whole thing about him getting basically shoved out by Diamond who was running as a consultant.
00:30:31
Speaker
Like, yeah, that's, and yeah, that's such a dick move. I'm going to, okay, I'll consult on your next hire. Hey, make it me. Like, like the list of people who, who in the U S who do stuff like that is not good. No, they're not good people. Like literally Dick Cheney. It's, um, yeah, people like that. Let's put it that way. Are the people who do shit like that. And Dymo is,
00:30:58
Speaker
Okay. No. Okay. That's people like that in England too. So yeah. Yuck. Not really. I'm not saying that Steve Diamond is as evil as Dick Cheney. He certainly is nefarious and kind of this feels a little, a little bit. Yeah. A little nefarious. I do agree. Um,
00:31:21
Speaker
Yeah, it was just it never looked like the saints really lost control, even though it was closed at points. It never really looked like it was going to go Worcester's way. And
00:31:33
Speaker
I don't know. And I've heard that this is going to be, this might not be the same fun team that Wooster is capable of playing that we've seen in this, this season. Um, now that diamond's in control, cause that's not how he plays. And it's concerning for
00:31:52
Speaker
the likes of like a Duhan van der Merwe and, you know, a Venter and a Beck who have been quite good as a center pairing this year. And Vince, Vince Smith's development, you know, Gareth Simpson's development, like they've got this 910 combination and you're going to just follow them up. Steve Diamond, what the fuck are you thinking? So, yeah, I'm John Thomas. I don't know how I could
00:32:18
Speaker
Good luck to him. You went back to Wales and watched a match. He's like, yeah, I haven't been here for a little bit. Thanks. I just don't, I don't understand. There's so many people to choose from. Why would you like, why would, nope. Like his mid table finishes were something to crow about. No, he's just like, it's one thing if you're like a huge Dick and you get results. Um, but this guy's just a huge Dick.
00:32:45
Speaker
So nine times out of 10. Yeah. Like, yeah. And that's what you get nine times out of 10 with guys like that. But it's like, this guy has proven not the guy. So I, uh, just like, I'm very happy. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm just going to be rooting against Worcester now for a while. Sorry. Um,
00:33:05
Speaker
But yeah, no, I'm not good. Don't like it. Don't like it at all. No. Good to see Owen Williams back. Although I think he retweeted his hamstring. Oh, did he? Yeah, right near the end. He was he was he was on one leg basically. I was like, oh, OK, you're not useful right now. Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, well.
00:33:23
Speaker
Now, things get the job done and they get an earned week off. Let's go up to the tune. It really fucks my fantasy lineup. I didn't. Yeah, a lot of people. A lot of people as well. Let's go to the tune because we had a delay to this one with the wind. Thank you, Peacock, for not completely screwing that up this
Highlighting Key Performances in Recent Matches
00:33:40
Speaker
time. They were good. They were like within 20 minutes it had changed.
00:33:44
Speaker
on Peacock. I saw that the official time had changed, and then I went right to Peacock to be like, all right, let's see how they fuck this up. And it's like, oh, no, it's going to be at 2 p.m. I'm like.
00:33:54
Speaker
Fucking A. All right. I think enough people caused a stink after the last one. Yeah. Well done, Peacock. Good job, Peacock. Got it. Thank you for listening to your to your customers. Yes. You idiots. Anyway, anyway, to the match, you know, you hear bad weather and Wendy, you think this might be a stinker and a bit of a slugfest. Are you not entertained? This was very good. Right. This was a great match starting with
00:34:24
Speaker
The guy that wears, you know, the wing Jersey, whether it's 11 or 14 for Newcastle, but definitely should have been, you know, in the England squad, Adam Radwan, like, yeah, just pure pace and tries. That's all he's got. Doesn't know a whole lot else. No, I wouldn't know it was him. He, they pulled him off early. I guess probably cause he's, he's no, he didn't. He played all 80. Fuck. Who was I thinking then? Um, Carreras came off early. Um, but
00:34:52
Speaker
But either way, uh, yeah, Brad, one's fantastic. I'm going to be sorry to see him and new castle going to be sorry to see him go. Well, he's not, he's not in the 29 this week. He's not. Okay. I thought he got called. Oh, he just got called in. He got called into it for the training. That's it. Okay. Sweet. All right. That's nice. I can tell you.
00:35:11
Speaker
I saw the 20 on this thought he was still on it. Nope. I can tell you because I looked it up. I was like, Ooh, I should probably make a note of this. So let's see if I can find it. Yes. Here we go. Hayes Quirk, Radwin, Lina, Northmore and Alfie are all not on the 29. Say it again. Sorry. Uh, Joe Hayes Quirk, Adam Radwin, Louis Lina, um, Luke Northmore and Alfie Barbara are all going to be available to their clubs this weekend, I believe.
00:35:38
Speaker
All right, good shit. So, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, back to digress back to the game. Yeah, I mean, Radland scored his try, but unfortunately, that was the most that we saw of Newcastle for a little bit. Yeah. And Ackerman, Ackerman got man in the match, but there were a couple of other candidates. I agree. Candidates. Yep.
00:36:02
Speaker
you know, where Papa Ruskin was, was excellent. Yeah. Um, you know, he's getting any, he did not drop that try. No, made up for it. Um, Slater going off injured was that, no, that's what it was. That's, that's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking for him. I just don't want to see, yeah. Um, I was just real,
00:36:29
Speaker
lame heart. Yes. Lame. Super lame. Yeah. Not, not his own, not his fault. Obviously. Ollie thoroughly seems to be pretty back. Yeah. That was, that was a name I've been really like, Oh man, when are we going to see the old Ollie thoroughly? That looked a little bit better. Yeah. He's 25. Fuck. Yeah. He could just have had like, he could be one of those guys. He had a cup of coffee and it kind of fucked with his head too. It happens sometimes. It does.
00:36:58
Speaker
It does the feast. If this is him coming back, he's had some injuries too. So if this is him coming back and being back, then that's excellent. Cause Gloucester need a wing badly. Yeah. I wing like that. I mean, but there's anti-careers played really well too. No, there's still, there's still another wing that on that team that we need to talk about. He didn't play this week. Oh yeah. He did.
00:37:25
Speaker
Scored the best try of the weekend. Are you kidding me? I just said Carreras. I was just talking. The other one. Keep going. The Reese Lightning. I was right. Fuck, he came in late. I completely burked that one. Fuck, I had forgotten about that try. It was fun to watch. Oh, my gosh. 100% of individual effort, but goddamn, was it fun to watch.
00:37:51
Speaker
Wow. Okay. Yeah. He just decided. He's like, yeah, this is going to the house. Yeah. You know what? I'm done with your bullshit. I'm going to run over here now. Oh, man. That was glorious. I loved it. I was just like, yeah. And that's just absolutely amazing. Anybody that says otherwise is not watching rugby. They're watching something else. And it's the best part is once he breaks the line is just you kind of play the look back to the defense to see like,
00:38:20
Speaker
how far behind their fall, that they're running top speed. And he's like eating, he's like getting five meters every stride on them. It's like, what the fuck? Yeah. And like, Oh.
00:38:32
Speaker
And he had, yeah, he still had gas. That was the thing. Oh, he was not. He still had gas. I was like, that's not, that's not talk here for resammit. That's the sad thing. Like everybody else was good. They're really sad with that. Right. They're like, you know what? Let's not even bother making him go to like, that happens all the time. Right. It's like, you know, the guy who you're playing gets to, it's like, once he breaks the line, you're like, especially as you know, a forward, you're not, you're going to be like, yeah, I'm,
00:38:59
Speaker
I'm just going to set up where for the charge down. I'm just going to run to the try line and jog. I'm not catching him and neither are any of you. So no work to be done here. Yeah.
00:39:17
Speaker
quite good. The boys were from Gloucester, Newcastle got one late, but it was just a bit of a pride one.
00:39:30
Speaker
So the, like we said, Gloucester are for real. This is no joke, you know, and the two going up to the tune and getting a win. Like that's no joke either. So it is not on the Gloucester man from King's home. Okay. Um, let's go to Saturday. We'll start with wasps and Saracens at the CBS. We've been a disappointment for the guys that were wearing red and later poopy again.
00:39:55
Speaker
I don't like this. Like they, same as what I was saying with, with, with Quinn's. And I do feel like it's, it's coaching at this point with Sarri's, which annoys me. Although I understand that Mark wasn't there. Mark McCall not being around for a little bit. And we do wish, we do hope Mark is, you know, is, is going to be okay. And there's nothing too, too serious going on. And we hope to see him back very soon, but take your time, Mark. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll take the reins. All good. The boys will be all right.
00:40:24
Speaker
Yep. It's not this weekend. But like they showed in the first half that they could just run on wasps, just run on them. And that last one, he was great to watch. And second half, they just kind of like, OK, we're going to go back to kicking again. It's like, you know how I said dance with a girl, what brought you in earlier? Same fucking thing. This is what's working. I don't care what you want to see. Like, I don't care if this is how you think things should happen. Do what works.
00:40:53
Speaker
And they didn't do it. They just fucking, you know, yeah, it's like they kind of went into a siege. And we're like, no, we're gonna it's like, you could just win the game. It's right there for you. Just go with it. No, we just don't want to lose it. Yeah, I thought for the
00:41:13
Speaker
When they were on, they played the better rugby, but you don't always get the reward for that. And you got to be able to do it for an extended period of time. And they just, they couldn't do it for 20 minutes in the game and win at this level. No, no. And they did it for 20 minutes and that was it. The boot of the one Jimmy Gottbreath has one to always worry about. I was a little pest with Lillington because
00:41:38
Speaker
that 50-22 he gave up, like, did not, you have to know, that's Jimmy Gopper sitting at the second set of hands, don't go up until it's beyond him because probably the likelihood of somebody else kicking is lower, much lower. He still got the foot to do it, wait, and he didn't. And of course, Gopper saw because that's how good he is and he's
00:41:59
Speaker
season veteran. He's just like, oh, look at that pretty spot. Bang. And he put it on a point and credit for him and Alex Lewington, you dumbass. Yeah, that was that was dumb. I didn't like pulling Shagan for Maitland because it's like he's your one attacking. You still need some attack. Like that was to me, that was the mentality that the match was over because it's like you need you need someone in that back line who's going to just take it to the house and they
00:42:28
Speaker
don't really have that outside of shaking right in this line up anyway. You have to go from outside the 50 to home. Yeah, it's right. You're not going to find anybody who can do what your LRZ did, except
00:42:45
Speaker
maybe less heroic, but you're not, you know, if anybody's going to do that somewhat, like kind of out of the blue, it's going to be shaken. Um, and I don't think you take that off the field when you need to rise. Now, uh, a lot of, we saw a lot of, um, returning bodies for wasps as well, which also was a good thing to them, which made them obviously not a, not a easy, easy team to beat, uh, yeah. Combined for a hell of a shift. Yeah. Um, Stu. Yeah. Gasco came on.
00:43:15
Speaker
No, that's what I mean, lunch, brain, gas, cool. Oh, OK. I mean, like, they got you. Now, I see 2040 adding. Gotcha. Gotcha. Added up there. Yeah. Odagu on the wing, which isn't really his home anymore, but he can do it. Fekito came back in, which was good. They they they donated a bunch of money. I mean, another reason I think that wasp spawn is Fekito.
00:43:42
Speaker
going through it, but he's been going through and everything on the island. Yeah, it's been stressed. I'm sure that they've played that much harder for him.
00:43:57
Speaker
And I'm glad that the club donated that money to the, uh, you know, to the recovery efforts.
Wasps' Support for Tonga and Impactful Matches
00:44:02
Speaker
Yes. Excellent. Good work by Y wasps. So, uh, you know, this is one of those for Saracens. I'm pissed at them, but like, I'm really happy that wasps won in the grand scheme of things in the, kind of, they earned it and they deserved it. So there you go. And I think Fita is going to be playing for them too. It was very soon here. Did I make that home?
00:44:20
Speaker
Nope, I did not that he is because he's an all black, but obviously not playing in the Zealand anymore. And once he's got his three term of stand down here, he's going to go play for Tonga. So I think obviously he has family back there as well. So between the two of them, you know, good to see the club rocking up and obviously the series have their own tongue and boys. So yeah, overall, good, good effort by was I hope I hope more more teams more organizations are doing things like this to help out that relief leopard because the
00:44:51
Speaker
And people were talking about the Tongans before. And I had this conversation with a friend who was like, oh my God, what's happening in Tonga? And I knew about it way ahead of time because the rugby world was the first world to kind of make a thing of it because they've given so much to us as a country with players and just the joy of watching that team play when they're on fire. Yeah.
00:45:14
Speaker
You know, and, you know, what, what like prem team has not had a, uh, like a Tongan or maybe current doesn't currently have one or someone limited with, uh, like, you know, maybe, you know, right. There's, there's all sorts of connections. So it's like, everybody's can, you know, everybody is.
00:45:35
Speaker
keyed into it. So that was the, yeah, we woke up, like I think Twitter, like first thing it's like, Oh, this is happening. Okay. I knew about it cause of, cause of, right. Cause of rugby, Twitter was talking about it. Nobody else really was at the time. So yeah. And it was, it was sad.
00:45:50
Speaker
Hopefully, hopefully everybody over there is getting better. And Vex did hear from his family, which was good. That was the big, that was like a big concern. Right. His entire family too. So it's like he was, he was talking about like their three different groups or something like that. And they got to one, and then the second, and then the third. So. Yeah. Thank, thank the Lord. Right. Thank the, thank the Lordiness. Okay. Good job, Moss. Well done all around. Saris, got to do better. Yeah. Over to the AJ Bell.
00:46:18
Speaker
And this, this looked for all reasons, like another just, you know, smother them, lesser tiger win. And that changed very fast. It did. And it's hard to like, it's hard to tell when, cause it like, yeah, the, the half was what was it? 15.
00:46:39
Speaker
five or something like that half. The score seemed a lot further away than it actually was. Ben Curry scores his try and all of a sudden it's like, wait, there's a game here. We got a game, kids. It felt like Lester just let off. I think Lester thought they had it.
00:47:05
Speaker
Perhaps, yeah. And got a little, yeah, way think ahead-y. It was 5.18 at half. It was 5 to 18. Okay. All right. So we only got eight more points. Yeah. Not great. Right. Because the Montoya, right, the Montoya, he scored his second. But even that was like...
00:47:29
Speaker
game was kind of out of reach at that point. Still, it felt like it, you know, for sale at that point, you know, even with the Montoya try, you're like, okay, he's going to try, but I pretty, I think sale kind of have this. I'm not too worried about it. Um, whoops. Yeah. And not, not good for, for Lester. I think they could have, like, they could have worked a little bit harder on that one. Yeah.
00:47:50
Speaker
No, I think they'll all rue it big time. Yeah. Um, but it didn't stop him from signing like half the fucking guys that were playing. Yeah. And a lot of good ones, a lot of good ones. So a lot of good ones. They just, I mean, and let's not forget who's on the other side there. It's the, you know, those fucking Dupree is, is, is an AJ. I mean, AJ was just ridiculous. He was pulling the strange baby. Um,
00:48:18
Speaker
But it's like, you know, Jean-Luc and Daniel Duprié just owned this match. Yeah, they took it over. As much as McGinty got got mad at the match and deserved to. He played really well. The Duprié's brothers like Daniel Duprié.
00:48:33
Speaker
that charge down try. Chlorious. God, it's so fucking tall. Like you got to be better. You got to know who's there. And he's like 12 feet tall when he puts his hands up and you know, gets an inch off the ground. Yeah, I think eggs should have should have called that off and said, No, we ain't doing this. I'm carrying it. Yeah. Or kick under him because you know, he's going to do something a little bit different. Don't kick right into his hands. Are is
00:49:05
Speaker
Is Luke James good? I think so. He's way better than his brother. I can tell you that much right now. I can agree to that. I do like him. Again, I don't love Sam James. Anything that has Sam James and it terrifies me and I don't mean it in a good way. But I do like Luke. I like what I've seen building for him probably the last season plus. Yeah.
00:49:28
Speaker
Yeah, I do like what I see. He's 22. Yeah. So that being kind of mostly my point, like, he's not that old. Sam's a little older, so... Right. I think his ship has sailed, as it were. Yeah, I think that... 27. Yeah. I was waiting to see you pick that up. That was right out of your ballpark. You kidding me? That's why I got to give it props. That was well done.
00:49:58
Speaker
And Roebuck, though, too. Oh, what a what a take. I want to take it. Yeah, I'm going to end this fucking match. Yeah, totally. I think we're done here. Guys, guys, we're done with this. Daiquiris. Yeah. Shit, that was I was expecting that. It was brilliant. It was like absolutely brilliant take. There's the making of a back line here.
00:50:25
Speaker
And Aaron and Reed, I mean, you can't tell me, you can't tell me with Reed, Roebuck and James. That's not actually half fucking bad. Yeah. I just have the 12 and 13 get the hell out of the way. You got to figure something else out. And maybe Manu when he, when he's healthy can fit in there too. And obviously they need a new 10. Um, wait, who's who's, um, who's replacing AJ Ford?
00:50:54
Speaker
Okay. You can work with that. Okay. Can indeed. Okay. So, so, okay. But like, again, this is a team that I'm, I'm starting to, to like, you know, again, you have to get the tickets, that old asshole off the team and suddenly they're likable. And, you know, um, Jono, Jono Ross was not a huge cock this match. Yeah. He kind of was. He kind of was.
00:51:22
Speaker
Lude was not good. Yeah. And Johnno was, was kind of kept, he kept it in his pants in a way, I guess. I mean, for, if you're a sale fan, that's all you can hope for, honestly. Cause the matches where he actually
00:51:36
Speaker
performs at like a high level aren't that often. And they're about as matched, if not more so than the matches where he does something really fucking stupid. So. Including getting yellows and shit. So. Yes. That one. Yeah. That one being the one. Yeah. So what's going on with Lester? I mean, listen, here's the other thing that really annoyed me actually. And I'm getting more and more annoyed with rugby passes.
00:52:02
Speaker
they published things like they put out there the graphic of Exeter against Irish, Tigers against sale and Quinn's against Bath about the losses that they suffered this week because of Six Nations players being away as like, why is Exeter in that conversation? They were six, they're now sevens. And why wasn't Saracens in that? Because they have just as many in there. Whose Exeter missing?
00:52:29
Speaker
I mean, Slade, from this match, I miss Slade, Cowan Dickey, and Simmons. That's the big one. And maybe Johnny Hill. But you have that Sam Skinner and Johnny Gray are just as good. None of those are a step down. So I don't care about that.
00:52:49
Speaker
Um, Slade is, is okay for Exeter. I think that is a lot better. He is, but Hodge should be in there over both of them. I think, um, Hodge needs time either way. Exactly. He needs time over somebody. I didn't sleep. I'm like, no, no, no, it doesn't count. Cause he's cause Hodge should definitely be in over. I mean, come on. Um, so yeah, I'm not really,
00:53:16
Speaker
Nope. Right. And who are, who are exit or missing? Gensh big loss. I'm less. That's what I mean. Um, yeah. Cause you go back to this match. Yeah. Gensh is a big loss. They did not have Hayes this week because they use that England training as well. That helps. Right.
00:53:31
Speaker
But Cole, I'm sorry, Dan Cole's okay. Like Hayes is a good replacement for Cole. Right. That being the thing, like having that nice solid tight head back, it was always helpful. Right. You know, Harry Wells and Callum Green. They're both fine. They're there. They're brother guys. George Martin is in the past couple of years has been away for this. So he's around. Visa. Yeah, this is their guy. Rafel has been their guy. Like,
00:54:00
Speaker
You know, really, they're yeah. And but they signed Freddie Burns for this. Like, I think it was I think he even picked up a knock of some sort. He did. And Austin Healy was a fucking dick about he was. Oh, yeah, I know he was out to both. OK, one other thing about Healy. He's got to stop. And these comms in general.
00:54:20
Speaker
stop fucking moaning about referee decisions. I don't know what he's seeing. You know what? No, no, no, I can tell you what he's seeing. Now, maybe he's seeing it wrong, but I can tell you what he's seeing. And that's what I want to hear. Right. Like, I don't want to I don't want to hear fucking bitching about everything. Everything is wrong. Everything is bad. OK, maybe because you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know what you're looking at.
00:54:41
Speaker
you know, maybe the ref bottled a decision. It happens sometimes, but nine times out of 10, actually, I'm sorry, 10 times out of 10, they call what they see. So try to figure out what they saw there. Cause there were some here, they're like, I don't know what he said. And like, um, I think it was like the, um, was it Russ Harrison who like tackled a guy from behind the rock from the other side, like he was offside, like, and rocked from his, from the other team side or whatever. And it's like, yeah,
00:55:08
Speaker
You can't do that. When McWiggin came like out, out from. Yeah. Oh, maybe that was trying to help. It was trying to help AJ and kind of went over, like he basically jumped over the side of the rock. I was like, that's not really how you should go into a rock. And that's a penalty right there. Like you could pick that and that's a penalty, let alone whatever else that Maxwell Key saw. And fucking Austin was like, I don't know what he's seeing. He's like, he's seeing what the guy just fucking did.
00:55:32
Speaker
Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, so we have the Healy and Goody this weekend. Bar awful bar any of that so much. And Healy during a Lester game, which is even shouldn't be allowed. Honestly, right? It's even worse. I think and I like Ben Kay. I think having Healy there just doesn't do many favors. No. But yeah, so that that just. Whatever a little bit, too. Yeah.
00:56:03
Speaker
I was like, I don't remember when they hurt. I was like, oh, because he's got shit on him. Right. He was very sorry. I'm playing a solid match. He obviously couldn't continue. And he's sitting there and they're like, well, this is the guy you signed to get you through. Yeah, they did. And sale because they're sale or they're big, bad and mean. And they hit hard. Yeah. They'll take you out. Yeah. And it's been a while since he played. So this might not have been the best match to start. Maybe they, you know,
00:56:28
Speaker
they should have been playing him a little bit more than they've been playing him lately, you know, make him make him get him more than like a 20 minute run here or there. It feels like that's all they've been given him. So I think he started a couple of the champions cut matches, but I don't think he went the full way. I don't know. I don't think he went the distance on either one of them either, but I could be wrong about that as well. Yeah. But yeah, he doesn't wait. It's too late. These should have been should have been, you know, he hasn't got a ton of prime action. Right. So that that I think we can all confirm.
00:56:58
Speaker
Yeah. That don't make sense. You play as hard for two weeks and then comes back and the third week he gets hurt because he hasn't played in more than 20 minutes in like months. Yeah. You can't just throw a guy in three straight weeks and keep the shit out of him. Right. Right. Or three out of four. I was, I was not, again, I was annoyed with rugby past that and like, um,
00:57:17
Speaker
When Mark McCall said that he had to take a break and the Saracens put that out there, everybody's like, oh, get, you know, hope all is well, Mark, dah, dah, dah. These idiots are like, huge news breaking. Saracens will be without Mark McCall. It's like, can you not do something a little classier and say, you know, Saracens are going to be without Mark McCall for the foreseeable future while, you know, it tends to, you know, personal matters. We wish Mark all the best.
00:57:42
Speaker
and then you can put your article there. No? Okay, just gotta do clip bait. Got it. Cool. Like you guys. Just do the rugby network. Stay there. Don't do anything else, okay? That's the only useful thing you're doing right now. Fuckers.
00:57:57
Speaker
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Sorry. Sorry, kids at home. Cover your ears. You must. All right. I mean, let's be real. If you're listening to this, you should already be very well ahead of... Your ears have been muffed already. Yeah. Cover those kids' ears permanently or just cover yours with your headphones. Those are the answers, honestly. Ah, crap. Okay.
00:58:21
Speaker
So this time next week, we're going to be talking about Six Nations and what happened this past weekend and all that good stuff. And we'll cover a lot more of it over on the fantasy corner, which we'll be doing in a wee bit here. If you're not coming to the fantasy corner, we will see you next week. Enjoy the Six Nations. If you are, we'll see you over there. Other than that, thanks a lot for listening to us and we'll talk to you guys later. Have a good one. Later.