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Scary Movie Showdown Part 1
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We borrow Hoch from Turnbuckle Tavern to help us cuss and discuss our way thru a 32-film bracket to crown the greatest scary movie of all time! Round 1 is on this episode with the rest of the tourney next week!
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Transcript
Introduction and Special Episode Focus
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Sweet dreams are me up
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What is up foley fam? We are doing a very special edition of the chick foley show this week. We're trying to crown the greatest scary movie of all time. So rebel heart just wasn't going to work for the intro music. Had to go something a little bit darker. Uh, we got a jam packed episodes. We're not going to do all the normal housekeeping. We'll make it quick. And let me start by introducing the stars of the show. Sheena, how are you doing? I'm doing good. I love talking horror. So stoked for tonight.
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Marco, what's happening up in Boston? Nothing much. It's spooky season around here, so just getting ready.
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Jordan, what's going on out in Nebraska? Nothing. I also enjoy talking about a good horror movie, not to be confused with a horror movie. I thought I slipped out a couple of weeks ago and said, that's a different. Yeah. So when we were talking about this couple of episodes back, I told him that, you know, when he called Sheena a horror queen, I said at the time because he's a little bit tipsy, a little bit slurred sounded for sure. He said a horror queen.
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That's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Let's not degrade our fellow sex workers. And then it's a very special
Guest Hawk Joins and Movie Bracket Format
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episode. We have a guest on loan. This is, you know, I'm hoping this works out. It's not like when, you know, AW signed CM Punk from the term vocal tavern. We got Hawk coming in. What's going on, dude? Oh, man. I'm just living life in the basement. Happy to be the expert panelist here.
00:01:46
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All right. So what we are going to do, this is going to be very similar to the episode we did to crown the greatest cereal a couple of years ago. That ended up being, I think that's our number three most listened to episode all time. So I don't know if that says, you know, how good the job we did on that one or how crappy all of our regular wrestling episodes are.
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Yeah, yeah, so we'll go with that people just love cereal, but it's gonna be a similar format. We've crafted up a bracket of 30 a mix of 32 of our favorite and just some of the most, you know, well known horror movies. And we're just gonna kind of talk it through to crown the the champion as far as the chick Foley show is concerned. Again, not a ton of housekeeping this week, but I do want to remind you guys to support our sponsor ringside collectibles use code chick Foley to save 10%.
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Um, Sheena, you got anything for you before we get into it? No, let's go. Hey, hold on. We got to give a shout out to who came up with this idea. Cause if, if we don't shout out, I'll get my legs hacked off in the middle of the night. So walk us through how this was crafted. So yeah, Mrs. Mrs. Fig God.
00:02:50
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So we started talking about horror stuff on Chick-Fully show. And Ari said, you guys should do a greatest horror movies bracket like you guys did for the cereal. And I was like, holy shit, that's a great idea. Texas and Seth. And he said, we're doing it. So yeah, it all just came together overnight.
00:03:11
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So we'll see how if this ends up running long, we might make an audible call hot route on it. We're planning on doing the entire first round tonight. There is one episode, and then we will do the rest of the rounds on another episode.
Debates on Classic Horror Films
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But we'll see how it goes. You ready to kick off our first match up, Shane? Oh, yeah.
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All right, up first we got, you know, in a lot of people's opinion, one of the heavy favorites to win this thing. Absolute classic Halloween, going up against a movie that gave us one of the greatest bits of dialogue in cinema history. Take him in the north! Take him in the north! He's in the north! Do it, do it!
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I mean, how do you compete with that? Wolfman's got Nards. For those that don't, I remember that is the Monster Squad. Sheena, what is your pick on Halloween versus Monster Squad? I mean, I do love the fact that Wolfman has Nards and I do love a good coming of age film, especially one that involves Dracula and Mummy and Wolfman and all the things.
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I mean, you're going up against Halloween, who's a straight freakin' heavy hitter, first round draft pick. I just feel like Michael Myers, this whole movie, I just love it. Obviously, there were sequels and the whole franchise that came past it, but I mean, it had to start somewhere. Multiple versions of the franchise.
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multiple versions, which I, you know, hot take, I actually don't hate the Rob Zombie version of Halloween. I think there are a lot, it gets a lot of hate, but I just accept it for what it is. And I think a lot of people hate it because they give a little bit more backstory on Michael Myers. And you never want to humanize somebody that's just an absolute like monster like Michael Myers. But the fact that Rob Zombie does kind of give him his bleak backstory really kind of adds to it. And
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I thought the first one was pretty cool. The second one was one of the absolute worst movies I've ever seen in my life. Oh, the second Rob Zombie film, yeah. The second one, yeah. He became super superhuman and it was a little much. But yeah, the first one, the first Rob Zombie one I was in on. So Halloween's your pick? Halloween's my pick, yeah. All right, yeah. I agree. As much as I love Monster Squad, can't really put it up against Halloween. Jordan, you gonna make it a clean sweep here?
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Yeah, there's no way. I mean, Monster Squad's a great movie, but dude, it's Halloween. Like you guys said, it's Michael Myers. This is like a staple of horror and a staple of Halloween. Like, dude, Zoey went as Michael Myers for Halloween last year. So yeah, we're all about Halloween in this household. What's your favorite of the various Halloween series?
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So I do really enjoy the first Rob Zombie one a lot, like you guys were saying. But I also I don't mind the newer ones either. This last I like the news. I like the new series. Yeah, this last one was not the greatest. But evil dies tonight. Yeah, that was the dialogue. Yeah, the dialogue leaves something to be desired.
00:06:28
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Which one was it? Was it Halloween ends where she, uh, spoiler alert, if you haven't seen it, if she, where she burns him in the basement of the house and somehow we get another movie out of it. Yeah. So that would have been that movie. I was like, all right, dude, we're, we're really, uh, we're really going over the top of this. I mean, they burnt the entire house down, like, Oh, but the fire department saved him. So yes, it's okay.
00:06:51
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Hawk, you were the one that kind of offered up Monster Squad to get in the bracket in the first place. Obviously, it was a lamb led to slaughter in this matchup, but you want to just talk about some of your love for Monster Squad?
Critique of Movie Selection with Guest Hawk
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I mean, it's one of those VHS ones as a kid. It just, you know, Wolfman has NARS, but I would contend that Halloween has an iconic piece of dialogue, too, with Dr. Loomis saying, I was, I shot him seven times or I shot him six times. He just keeps repeating that. But
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Halloween is one of the greatest horror films of all time. I don't like that you put Monster Squad up against it so soon because I feel like with some of the films you guys elected, Monster Squad should not be paired up with Halloween, but that's just my opinion. But the beauty part about Halloween is that Michael Myers is obviously the main character, but you don't see him much throughout the movie. So all of like the dread being built up is Dr. Loomis and his
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all his monologues and dialogues is really what builds up Michael Myers.
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But, uh, well, you see that in a lot of the early, the early like eight seventies and eighties horror films. Like a lot of times you do not see like the monster in question until like, you know, the very end. I mean, I think in the original nightmare movie, uh, Freddy Krueger had like, what, two minutes of like actual screen time. And then, you know, jaws, like we'll talk about jaws in a minute, but that's a, that's a pretty common theme that you, the dread just builds because you don't even know what you're up against or what you're looking for, you know, which I think always kind of makes it a little more scary.
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Yeah, and then I think the franchise pretty much went off a cliff until I actually liked part six. Halloween, the curse of Michael Myers. I think it's a little hidden gem. And then you spoke a little bit about Rob Zombie. I don't hate him. I like Rob Zombie. I like the first one. I don't mind the second one either. It's just basically Michael Myers killing, killing his way out of Haddonfield.
00:08:43
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Um, but yeah, I'm gonna obviate my picks obviously halloween But I will say that monster squad would beat a lot of the other films we're going to talk about tonight That might even go through to the second round
00:08:55
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Yeah, a little behind the scenes. Hawk has been giving us a lot of shit about the bracket that we put together. Obviously horror is so subjective. I mean, there's so many different categories that you could put horror in and we were just trying to encompass a little bit of all of it. And you know, Hawk is a horror aficionado. He's got a whole freaking wall of DVDs and you know, the whole nine. So
00:09:18
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I think his cuts go a little bit deeper than a lot of ours. But it is subjective, but at the same time, you guys did pick a few objectively not top 32 films of all time. I'm just going to put it out there.
00:09:33
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Feel free to offer up any critiques, man. But I do want to say, he was involved in the matchmaking progress, building this field out. So he had every right to say something. We didn't just do this and be like, hey, Hawk, come record this with us. He did pull the ultimate critic move, man. He let it ride just so that he'd have something to complain about when he came on the show. 100%. I'm the heel, man. I'm the heel on all the foundation shows.
00:09:58
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All right, let's move on to our next matchup. We got the Texas Chainsaw Massacre against the Strangers.
Iconic Horror Film Showdowns
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So I really dug the Strangers really, really good like home invasion type scary movie. The bad guys had a super cool aesthetic, but you know, it's, you know, part of the pun, it's going up against the chainsaw right here, man. Texas Chainsaw Massacre is getting one of the all time classics and there's no way I could put Strangers over it. Jordan, you're up next for your vote.
00:10:25
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Ooh, dude, I do like the strangers a lot. That movie was actually on last night and I was rewatching it. It is really good. I remember going to see this in the theaters with a couple of friends and just like thinking, man, this is a badass movie. And I think one of the things that's like,
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kind of brings it home is like, dude, like part of you in the back of your head while you're watching this movie is thinking like, dude, some shit like this could actually fucking happen. Like, I mean, you know, it's like, it's very Manson ask, you know, just just killing for, you know, entertainment killing sake, you know, like having a cult of people that just come together and kill. Yeah. And I love Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I think I'm going to go strangers, dude. I'm going to strangers.
00:11:13
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All right, Marco, you're up next. Oh, my God. I'm not. I think I'm I think the funny thing is I'm going to be on the on Hawk side on a lot of these things. That's that's what I'm going to predict. And I'm going with a Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There is no way I'm picking the strangers over the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I even watched the new generation one.
00:11:35
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with Matthew McConaughey. That's how much I love him. We saw the preview for that on Peacock the Every Day with Matthew McConaughey and Renee Zellweg. Yeah, that's how much I love him. I actually want to watch that, yeah. I own it. Terrible. It's a bad movie, but I still watch it and I love it. It looks terrible, yeah, but I'm very intrigued.
00:11:55
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It's an awful movie, but yeah, the original, yeah. Now you can't beat the original 1974 Toby Hooper as a Texas Chainsaw Massacre. So it gives me chills at the end when she's a, well, spoiler alert if you haven't seen it in what, 50 years. There's going to be spoilers in this. I mean, we're going on almost 50 years on the movie. It's true. I will say that the statute of limitations is up, but I feel like horror is a very specific category that
00:12:21
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Sometimes I feel like you do need to be respectful of spoilers. I'm letting you know there aren't going to be spoilers here, but I feel like when you're listening to podcasts, there might be horror movies that you'd never thought of before, and you're like, oh, I want to go watch that. And you don't want people just spewing all of it out all over the place. But there are going to be spoilers on this podcast. We'll have a face all day. All right, Hawk, we got Strangers Up Against the Ropes down 2 to 1. You're up. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, for sure. It's the one film in pretty much all of horror films
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even good ones that Pete the characters react exactly how you would react if you're getting chased by psychopaths. Yes. I mean, it's like blood.
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Chilling fucking screaming and like there's real dread in that movie to a point to where people thought it was real back in the day. Yeah. Well, they presented it like it was real. Wasn't that one of the first films where like they actually presented it like it was, you know, like a real thing? Because in the beginning, it's like, you know, this is based on true events or whatever. Yeah. I mean, it's based off a game or game, however you say his last name.
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loosely I mean yeah inspired by inspired by for sure and I would also like to say strangers is should not sniff this list of the top 32 What is your issue with strangers I don't know like I mean when you say something shouldn't even sniff the list I own strangers I don't hate it I'm merely saying objectively it's not one of the top 32 or films of all time
00:13:48
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That's it. I like the movie. I think, true. I think we had to pick a little bit of something from every category though. Because again, this is a loose bracket. There's no one specific direction that we were headed in. So I feel like- Strangers was definitely one that was kind of penciled in when you put it in those last five or six for the field. It wasn't a first ballot draft pick or anything.
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out there real quick. We don't have a werewolf film on this list. I know the listeners. And it's like, how do you not wear wolf movie on this list? There's so many of them that are amazing. And we don't get one you're talking about the most famous
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Monster Squad is the most famous one there is, man. So when I was pulling sound bites for this, if you just Google Wolfman, it auto-corrects to Scott Nards. I think that is the most iconic werewolf scene in movie history. I am one of the most climactic scenes in Trick or Treat is when all the ladies turn into werewolves and freakin' go hardcore on everybody. I think werewolves do get some love here, man. Yeah. The wolf owl scene in American Werewolf in London is one of the greatest things ever.
00:14:58
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So anyway, moving on. I saw I was driving today I'm gonna send you a picture I was driving today I was taking the kids to the park at the playground this guy had this giant like 10 11 foot werewolf in his yard and I took a picture of it for you I meant to send it to the group chat but I'll send it to you a little bit later but yeah he's obviously enthused I hope he's not listening to this because he'll be bummed there are no werewolves in the in the bracket.
00:15:22
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Yeah, it is a bummer, but we move on to our third matchup. This is one that Jordan's got a real hard on for season to go first. We got the classic Exorcist going up against Midsomer. Dude, Midsomer is like a extremely fucked up movie. I mean, you've seen this movie, right? Yeah, I saw it theater. I want to ask you because you did you are like the film buff out of all of us. So like, what did you think of this movie?
00:15:53
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Uh, you know, I didn't love it at the time. I felt a lot like wicker man to me. And isn't this, this is the guy who gave me, this is the guy who did hereditary. Correct. Also. And it felt like virtually the same movie. You're breeding a young person to be a cult leader. So it felt kind of repetitive, but it was all right. It was here on horror films than other movies.
00:16:20
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Okay. So I don't, I don't love the exercise. Just going to put that out there. I don't think that's like as good as everybody makes it out to be. So I'm going mid-summer here. All right. Marco. Damn. Um, this is a tough one. Um, but I'm going to stay, I'm going to stay classic and I'm going with the exercise. Um,
00:16:46
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I know Hawk is probably gonna have some words of the new one that just came out, but we'll stick to the original, and the original was where it's at, all the stories surrounding it, the making of the movie. You can definitely go and Google and read up on that, which brings it more into the end. Yeah, it was banned in the UK, wasn't it? Yeah.
00:17:06
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Uh, but it's still, I mean, it's, it's still one of those movies you could, uh, I mean, watch now and still be kind of creeped out by, especially with the new, uh, uh, with the, some of the director, director's cuts with the, uh, you know, the spider walk down the stairs and all that stuff. So yeah, I'm going with Exorcist. All right. We got a one, one tie Hawk. Break it for us. Of course. I'm going the Exorcist. It could be the group man. Jordan really mid summer over the Exorcist.
00:17:36
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Dude, we're not going to all be the same on every goddamn movie. We're not going to be all over the same. But dude, The Exorcist is like a straight up staple. It's William Friedkin. It's one of the greatest horror. It's legitimately creepy. My dad says when he watched it when he was a 20-year-old, he couldn't sleep that night. And movies don't do that to me. I never lose sleep over him. But there's actually really
00:18:03
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real demonic imagery in there that's pretty creepy. And it's William Friedkin. And I just don't know how any person could like Midsummer over Exorcist. That's dumb. But I'm going to go at it. All right, Sheena.
00:18:17
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We got, Exorcist is up two to one, heading into your vote. Yeah, so I watched the preview for Midsummer. And to your defense, Jordan, I think I will like the movie. I'm in on it, right? It does serve Wicker Man vibes, but I'm- Scariest thing about it is that two and a half hour runtime, though. Dude, we were gonna watch it the other night, and then I saw it was two and a half hours, and I was like, F that, like, no way. I need to be mentally prepared for a two and a half hour movie.
00:18:46
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I'm going with, I'm going with Exorcist dude. Like Reagan is straight up creepy dude. The, the lore of this movie when it first came out and like, you know, people were, you know, puking in the theater and like, you know, it was just like wild times. And it is scary AF. I mean, I remember watching this at a slumber party when I was, you know, in middle school and it was, it scared me.
00:19:08
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Yeah, sorry. So Exorcist wins three to one. Jordan, I'll throw you a bone, man. I don't love the Exorcist either, dude. I think it's because when I was a kid, my mom, that was like the one movie, like the box art had caught my eye at the video store and my mom just swore up and down that it was the scariest movie ever. And I had to wait till I was like, I want to say 11 or 12 to watch it. And by the time I finally saw it... You missed the window. Yeah, it just, I don't know, it didn't hit. I think I was just desensitized from fucking playing Mortal Kombat all the time or something. It just
00:19:34
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Yeah, it wasn't the same for me. You know what movie, Hawk, I'd love to get your take on this man. A movie that I think actually does the Exorcist, like I would watch it 10 times before I watched the Exorcist again, was Possessed, the spoof of Exorcist with Leslie Nielsen in there. Do you remember that one? Repossessed. Repossessed, yeah, that's what it was, yeah. Do you remember that one though? Well, I'm a sucker for Leslie Nielsen.
00:19:59
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spark or spoof films, you know, airplane, naked gun. So he's a naked gun. I love it. I think Linda Blair actually plays in that movie too. I think she's actually the demon in that movie too.
00:20:11
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Yeah, it had some really good practical effects and stuff. I always got a kick out of that one anytime I caught it on HBO or the movie channel or something as a kid. Either way, Exorcist moves on. And I just want to say, I know we're going to disagree on some things, but saying Midsommar is better than Exorcist is one of the dumbest takes I've ever heard.
00:20:30
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on a podcast ever wrestling. Just like I just said, people, people built the exorcist up so high that I was going to be like, gonna never gonna sleep again when I was 12 years old or 13 years old and I watched it and I was like, this is what's supposed to like, give me nightmares. Like, dude, come on, man.
00:20:48
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It's cause you guys have demons. I'm not religious either. I'm a straight up heathen too. So maybe that's why it just did not connect. But yeah, I think, I mean, I can tell it's like a really good film, but as far as like being a scary movie, it's, yeah, it's whatever. I think you need to rewatch it. Alright, let's move on.
00:21:06
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Let's maybe, maybe I'm watching now as a, uh, you know, it's, it has been probably 20 years since I've seen it. Um, we got a classic going against a more modern film nightmare on Elm street going up against it follows Marco. You're up first. Nightmare on Elm street. That's it. That's all you need. There's no explanation. So say whenever I talk about high art, cause there's art and then there's things you really love, but then there's higher things that kind of transcend everything.
00:21:35
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And I've always say like, the Beatles Abbey Road album, high art. And I always include Nightmare on Elm Street. It's not my favorite movie of all time. It's not even my favorite horror film, but there's something about it when you're watching
Show Break and Beverage Discussion
00:21:46
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it. There's just something more to it. It's just, it's like iconic. And it's one of my earliest memories from childhood is Freddy Krueger. That's my childhood. I'm like a three-year-old. My sister's watching Nightmare on Elm Street. So it's been there forever. And it's one of, when you're a three-year-old, it's like, you can't look away. You know it's scary, but you can't look away.
00:22:05
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So Freddy Krueger is more than just a movie to me, so Nightmare on Elm Street by a mile. I did watch it, it follows last night. I watched it at the theater when it came out and hadn't seen it since, and I just found it at a Blu-ray store for three bucks, bought it. Not a terrible movie, but it's not even the same ballpark nightmare.
00:22:24
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All right, that is a clean sweep. Nightmare on Elm Street moves on. Shane, you're a big Freddy Krueger fan. You got anything to add before we go on to our next match up? No, I agree with Hawk. Nightmare on Elm Street was one of my earliest memories. I've been watching scary movies and spooky stuff since I was way too young to be watching it. It was just always a running joke in my family that
00:22:44
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Anytime I would get a babysitter, I would scare them off because all I wanted to do was watch Freddy Krueger. Do you remember in my high school bedroom in Sugar Grove? Yeah, that big mole. It was like a porcelain sign. Yeah, I had a giant Freddy Krueger nightlight. It came from Spencer's and it's like a full life-size body mold of Freddy Krueger and it was like a nightlight in my bedroom.
00:23:12
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Yeah, Freddy Krueger has a very special place in my heart nightmare on Elm Street one. I just think it's I think it's so good. Again, like I said, like you don't even really see Freddy Krueger, you haven't even really got to know Freddy Krueger yet. You just know it's this guy with knives for hands. And, you know, you just hear the music and hear the, you know, the scraping on the pipes and everything. And it's just, yeah, it's creepy. And I agree with Hawk, it's not the best horror movie out there. But I'm super nostalgic for it. So I'm always going to defend
00:23:38
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bready which is kind of fucked up because he's you know like a pedophile so yeah you guys are weirdos all right here we go we have another very interesting matchup
00:24:05
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We got Jack Nicholson going up against another titan of the film industry, Jim Varney. The Shining versus Ernest Scared Stupid. You're up first. First off, I'm going to say that Ernest is like Freddy Krueger to me. He's an iconic character from my childhood. I think the fourth theatrical Ernest movies are solid gold. Ernest goes to jail, maybe a step off than the other three, but saves Christmas, Scared Stupid.
00:24:31
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Goes to camp or all. Camp. Classic. Love them. But that being said, I mean, come on, you put it up against The Shining, man. Love, of course, The Shining. Yeah. That's it. That's all I got to say, The Shining. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta go with The Shining, man. The Overlook is creepy. Everything about being trapped in a hotel with, you know, a bunch of dead people is creepy. So, The Shining.
00:24:57
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So I actually got to push back on the love for the shining a little bit. It is an amazing movie, one of my all time favorites, but I don't really consider it a horror movie, man. I think it's more of like psychological thriller if I had to categorize it. Whereas Earnest Scared Stupid, even though it's for kids, it's definitely more in the genre. And for that reason, I'm going with my main man Jim Varney and picking Earnest Scared Stupid.
00:25:18
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I mean, there's other movies on here that are not straight up like horror movies. And the top of the bracket literally says Chick-fil-A show, scary movie showdown, not horror movie slasher film. You're right. You're right. But we didn't lay out any real criteria for how to judge these. I think it's all open to personal interpretation. And I'm using my vote to keep Ernest alive, at least for one more vote.
00:25:43
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RIP. Okay, that's fine. But The Shining is, it's definitely a horror film. It's a haunted hotel. There's ghosts. There's, you know, the evil twins. There's the old woman that gets out of the bathtub and he, you know, is a beautiful woman and it turns into an old hag. And there's a psycho father who tries to murder his entire family. It's like, I mean, you know, it's
00:26:07
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with an axe with a freaking axe of all things like so it's fine if you want to pick earnest but to say it's not a horror film that's just not accurate all right fair enough jordan we are at two to one with the shining leading what is your pick yeah i'm going to shining if for nothing else i love the grady twins like zoe
00:26:33
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Zoe wanted to go as one of the Grady twins and I'm like, well, you have to find someone else to go as a Grady twin. And she's like, no, I'll just go as one. I'm like, well, it's not gonna make any sense. And yeah, dude, the Grady sisters are just like terrifying. Just like watching them walk down the hall, that little boy riding his tricycle down the hall and then coming upon them. Like, dude, I just, I don't know. I love The Shining. You're right. It's not a straight up horror movie, but I just, I do love it.
00:27:01
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Alright, so with a score of three to one, the Shining moves on. Our next matchup, Sheena's going to be kicking this one off. We got Scream going up against Pet Sematary.
00:27:10
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Okay, so yeah, it's gotta be Scream. I'll just say that right off the bat. But Pet Sematary is one of those movies that I watched as a kid, and it just stuck with me so hardcore. I could not get it out of my head. And the scariest horror movie villain of all time, in my opinion, was Zelda, the older sister who was up in the attic. She was Rachel's sister.
00:27:38
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dude it was she's just so scary the way she talks the way she moves just her like being sick it's something about that just stuck with me so i i have a very soft spot for the for pet cemetery since i've become a parent i i haven't watched the new one i can't watch it it's just it's too too much um but i gotta go with scream it's just it's a classic and it was it was happening like it came what 97 right
00:28:05
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And it was right in that time period where I was like staying home out in the freaking sticks babysitting my brother and all I could think of is like, Oh yeah, so great. I'm going to get murdered every time the phone rings.
00:28:14
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Yeah, I go scream. Also, I really do like pet cemeteries got some cool scenes. But I think screams one of the one of the best scary movies ever. And really, I think that whole series is kind of one of the stronger ones across it. Like it got a little bit wacky with, you know, a little bit convoluted. But I still think it, it made a little bit more sense than some of the other horror films that we've seen make it to you know, six, seven, eight films. Yeah, I'm less disjointed than some of the other ones. All right, pet cemeteries against the ropes. Jordan, you're up.
00:28:41
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Oh, pet cemetery is going down right now, dude. Scream is just, I mean, it's, it's an all time classic. Like, do I think the entire series is great? No, but yeah, the original one is, uh, it's just a classic. I mean, it came out when we were in our teens. Well, some of us Hawk might've been in like his twenties, but yeah, Hawk Marco, you guys got anything to add on screen pet cemetery?
00:29:11
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Yeah, Pet Sematary is a great film. I like Scream. I was a freshman in high school, I think, maybe sophomore. I wasn't. He's only two years older than us, Jordan. But Pet Sematary was one for my childhood where the imagery stuck with me. And it's one where when you're a kid, you look away at some parts. And man, the ghost that would follow the doctor, because at the beginning of the movie, the jogger who gets hit by the semi and he looks mangled. That was creepy.
00:29:40
Speaker
the kid man gauge fucking creepy little kid going around. That's a creepy scene, but, uh, I'll, I'll go pet cemetery, even though it doesn't matter just to be the contrarian, but screams. The first one's good. The rest of the series, unwatchable rubbish part two serviceable.
00:30:04
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And the newest one, the Courtney Cox, she's wearing like a Courtney Cox mask. Her face is so down here. Yeah. Yeah. So grotesque now. It's hard to look at. Yeah. Yeah. We also got to give a shout out to Stephen King. That was back-to-back Stephen King entries with the Shining and Pet Sematary. Yeah.
00:30:23
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All right, coming up, we got a Marco special on this one. He was pushing hard for this movie to be included. I'm up first. We got the original Night of the Living Dead going up against Final Destination.
Appreciation for Practical Effects in Horror
00:30:32
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I do think Final Destination's got some super cool kill scenes. And for the most part, it's stuff that you could, even though it'd be pretty wild, you could at least see it realistically happening. I've never felt comfortable driving behind like a
00:30:45
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Yeah, long truck since then. But I say I go Night of the Living Dead, man. It's the zombie movie, man. If you're only going to watch one zombie movie, it's it. So I go Night of the Living Dead. Jordan, you're up next.
00:30:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to go now the living dead as well. I do love Final Destination, the original one. I think it kind of for me goes downhill after that one. I feel like that's going to be the case with some more movies we're talking about tonight. But yeah, Night of the Living Dead is is the zombie movie like that is the zombie movie, a zombie land, not a scary movie, but
00:31:20
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It probably gives it a run as one of my favorite zombie movies. So it's kind of scary, dude. Those zombies are wicked, man. Yeah. All right, Marco, your movie's down to Oh, man. Night of the Living Dead versus Final Destination.
00:31:36
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Yeah, so you'll be very surprised to know that I'm going to pick Night of the Living Dead to beat Final Destination. I only want to throw it in there because I had to argue it into the fold. But I do love Final Destination. I do like the series. I don't love the series. I think they're very entertaining.
00:31:58
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But yeah, I can't go against George A. Romero when it comes to movies. He just pretty much set the standard when it comes to horror movies. And obviously, a lot of people would argue that Alfred Hitchcock would rival that as well. But I'm going to go with George A. Romero in his fantastic rendition of How to Live During a Zombie Apocalypse.
00:32:26
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All right, so Knight of the Living Dead moves on in a clean sweep. Hawk, Sheena, you guys getting it? Yeah, of course I have something to say about this. First off, Final Destination is one that should not be on the list instead of a vampire or a werewolf movie. We should have definitely had American werewolf in London. Shreakin, one thing we learned tonight from nothing else, Hawk has got a fetish for werewolves. Yeah, he's a furry for sure. And secondly, Hawk take care.
00:32:50
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I think George Romero is overrated. We just did a broken VCR Cinema Corps where I argue for 2004's Dawn of the Dead, Zack Snyder's over George Romero's 1977. Dawn of the Dead is awesome. Yeah, that was amazing. Yeah. Well, that's a remake. That's a... I know. That was our... The one for 2004 is a remake, Shayna. Yeah.
00:33:10
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That's what we did. That's the one with the it's got being Reims, right? Yeah. Yeah, but I think George Romero is overrated man. Honestly, I like him. I don't dislike him. I just don't think
00:33:23
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He's the end all be all of zombie films personally. And Night of the Living Dead is not even my favorite. I love Creepshow, but that's Stephen King. I don't even think George Romero directed, he directed all of Creepshow or just like one vignette. I thought so. Or was it just one vignette? Okay. No, he may have done them all. I know that was a collaboration. I like George Romero. I'm just saying he's overrated and
00:33:50
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But anyway living dead when directed so creep show creep show was directed by georgia marrow and it was written by steven king yeah okay so i i kind of feel you man i think there's definitely been like some more more exciting maybe more just straight up entertaining zombie movies but i feel like they're all working off the template that he laid yeah
00:34:10
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Yeah, I feel the same way about, because I mentioned Alfred Hitchcock, I feel the same way about his movies. I mean, I don't think he's the greatest- I don't know. 28 Days Later kind of broke the mold for- Fast Zombies. Fast Zombies changed the freaking game, dude. I mean, yeah, George Romero kind of built the zombie castle, but
00:34:32
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Yeah, you can't fuck with fat zombies, dude. I never wanna be, if we're in an apocalypse, I need it to be like a Walking Dead style, George Romero style apocalypse, dude. Like if I got some fucking athletes sprinting towards me, you know, like, yeah, no. So it's over for me. You have Lebron James as a zombie chasing at the, you're pretty much dead. Yeah, dude, they just got like, yeah. And they don't ever get tired either. So like, that's the thing. They just keep freaking going. All right, here we go. I think this one's gonna be a tough one for Jordan. We'll see.
00:35:06
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We got Friday the 13th, part two, going up against the devil's rejects. Oh my God. Fuck. Don't pick against Jason, dude. We got a Friday the 13th coming up in a couple of days. Be careful. And it's in October, so be careful what you conjure up, dude. Oh my God.
00:35:34
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dude, I can, I just, I cannot pick against devil's rejects. Like it's literally one of my, I'm not in hot can rip on me all I want. It's fine. I don't care. Like at this point I'm going to take a stand, dude. Devil's rejects is one of my favorite movies. Like just period.
00:35:50
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Overall, like I just love that movie. Captain Spalding in that movie is just so much more like evil. Otis Driftwood is awesome. I just I love that movie so much. And there's so many just disgusting scenes in that movie. I just cannot pick against Devil's Rejects, dude. Like I I fought so hard for this to be on here. I don't care if it gets clean sweep like whatever, but I had to have at least one vote. I had to make sure it's not getting a clean sweep, dude. Yeah, I just I have to pick it, dude.
00:36:19
Speaker
I just, I love all the characters in that movie. Yes, I know. I love Jason. It's just, dude, Devil's Rejects just hits different for me. All right, Marco, you're up next. Damn. Wow. This is definitely tough. I am, man, this is horrible because I do love that whole series, Rob Zombie. But I have to go with Friday the 13th.
00:36:44
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Jason has been a staple in my life since I was a young lad up until my teens and For some reason I love Friday the 13th part six and that's probably the worst one out of all of them But it's just that movie just sticks with me for some reason like even I even was part six
00:37:06
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Um, he comes back from, he's like, he's like, he's dead. And then he comes alive by this, like, there's like a lightning storm and a rod hits, hits his grave and he like comes back to life. I have the figure. I have the neck of figure, Jason lives.
00:37:21
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Jason lives. Yeah. So he's like, it's like he goes back to the camp. There's like, there's a scene where there's like, you know, a paintball thing going on in the woods. If he's just killing all they love, they love to bring some motherfuckers back with, uh, lightning. They did that with Freddy Krueger wants to. But no, man, just, just said, like I said, it's Jason, just like Freddy Krueger is just a staple amongst horror movies. And as much as I do love devil's rejects, I can't put the, you know, I can't put
00:37:50
Speaker
Jason or Friday the 13th, that whole series over Devil's Rejects. I'd be doing myself a disservice if I did that. All right. We're tied up one-to-one. Hawke, you're up next. So I will say, I think Devil's Rejects is Rob Zombie's best movie. Yeah, agreed.
00:38:09
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And I think you guys picked Friday the 13th part two, because that's the first one Jason's in. I'm guessing. What is your logic behind that? Because part one's clearly. We went back and forth. I think part one is the better. Yeah, I agree. Part one's better. But part three is the one where he puts on the mask. So part two, he doesn't even have the mask. Yeah, he's got the freaking burlap sack situation.
00:38:32
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So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Devil's Rejects just because it's not Friday the 13th or 1. Jordan just got H-A-R-D. If you would've went Friday the 13th the original all day long but I like Devil's Rejects and we'll talk about maybe another Rob Zombie film when it comes along that I don't like as much so but I'll go Devil's Rejects.
00:38:56
Speaker
All right, Sheena, you're up. Devil's Rejects leading two to one. Damn. Hawk literally just changed my whole outlook, because yes, my thought process behind part two was that it was the first appearance of Jason, which, speaking of cultural significance, if you tell somebody tooty fucking fruity or Jason Voorhees, they're going to know, you know what I mean? Jason Voorhees wins 100 times out of 100, even people who are not horror fans, right? They know who Jason is.
00:39:24
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But yeah not having the mask that really does make a difference to me right now cuz i love the devil's rejects i love the fire five firefly fam those those films are really. Sentimental to me so.
00:39:38
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I think I'm going to go with the devil's rejects too, dude. Jason is kind of a mama's boy, baby bitch dude. Like straight up. I mean, so that's not surprising that he got, that he got beat. But yeah, Hawk really, Hawk put the nail on the coffin for me there with the, uh,
00:39:58
Speaker
Pointing out that part three would have actually been a better film for this particular bracket. Yeah, I probably would have voted Friday the 13th I just don't I get what you guys are saying about the mass but I still think the introduction of Jason as a character is just so you know historically significant for For horror movies, but you know that was rejects. I agree with you Jordan. It's one of my all-time favorite movies So I'm not shedding any tears about Jason getting sent home round I will say that captain Spaulding though is
00:40:23
Speaker
I think that's it. I think there's a couple of characters. I could be iconic characters with the Firefly family. Yeah, as far as stuff out of the last 15 years, Captain Spalding's out there. But like those are pretty, the imagery of the family is pretty iconic. We're just, it hasn't had enough time to grow yet, I guess.
00:40:40
Speaker
Yeah, I would say Captain Spalding is definitely the most popular out of the Firefly fan for sure. That scene where they're in the drop top convertible at the end and Freebird's playing and they're getting shot by the cops like dude. Oh, epic dude. You just get the tears running in your cheeks. Oh, God, dude, that scene's so weird. Well, it's weird because you know that these were just like murderous, horrible human beings, dude.
00:41:04
Speaker
straight up, but you somehow, like I felt like, damn dude, like I can't believe they're getting killed. You know, like I felt bad for them. Um, and you never want to sympathize with people like that. But yeah, that, that moment made me sympathize with them. All right. Up next, we got Rob zombie making back to back appearances. Yeah. House of a thousand corpses. Hawk's favorite going up against one of the most significant, uh, you know, horror movies of the nineties, the Blair Witch project, Marco, you're up first.
00:41:33
Speaker
Dang. Wow. Man. I'm going with Blair Witch Project. Only because you want to elaborate on it. Well, only because it's it kind of redefined a lot of a lot of ways how horror movie was promoted, as well as, yeah, you know, presented on screen.
00:42:03
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It was more one of the first things to go like found internet viral, you know, people thought it was real. People thought it was like an actual thing that happened because it was very local. The way they the way they shot those like the local people, you know, talking about it, see very real.
00:42:18
Speaker
And they had websites and stuff that she could go to that seemed legit. And this was, you know, I think collectively, like the Internet was a much more naive place. And, you know, people were a lot more susceptible to just believe whatever they saw. I mean, not that they're not nowadays, but even more so back then. What are you talking about? That is today. Just a lot more technology nowadays. But yeah, no, it's just just the movie itself, like not knowing what the hell was going to happen, like
00:42:45
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the suspense that was brought throughout the movie. Obviously, those later on as the years went by, the end of it was like, nah, when you look back at it, but at the time,
00:43:00
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spoiler alert when they they make it to the house and they go in the basement they see that is creepy yeah that that right there was and a lot of stuff like like that nowadays like a lot of these found footage movies obviously have been based off of Blair Witch Project yeah that was like the first time that it was done
00:43:17
Speaker
specifically the series I was trying to get into this was VHS, which is that kind of like it was like that, but it was like an anthology. Yeah, I enjoyed the VHS. Some of the shorts are there's a big range of quality between the
00:43:32
Speaker
the different shorts. But yeah, I thought VHS was really, really cool. Really creepy stuff. Oh, yeah, like, even that, even that, like, obviously, that's like the Blair Witch Project. But like, God, because it's like an overarching story with those. It's like, it's a VHS tape that was found and then people pop it in and they watch it and the other, you know, something. So
00:43:50
Speaker
But just that right there, from Blair Witch Project to we'll say the VHS series, which is more current, Jesse, how it evolved that type of horror genre, the found footage series, that's what Blair Witch started and it stayed with it, paranormal activity, you go on and on and on with it. So yeah, I'm picking up. All right, Hawk, you've been waiting for a few days to unleash on this one, dude.
00:44:16
Speaker
Tell us why House of 1000 Corpses is the worst scary movie ever made. No, here's my complaint. So we've done a few spoiler alert, we don't do any other frame that we don't ever do include another film for the franchise. This is the only franchise where we need two films from it. And it's like this one of all franchises, because Rob Zombie himself because we did House of 1000 Corpses on broken VCR. Rob Zombie doesn't even like House of 1000 Corpses is objectively not a good movie.
00:44:44
Speaker
Which that devil rejects is though, like he took everything that he wanted to do with House of 1000 Corpses and did it with devil's rejects. So I just don't think it should have been on the list for that reason.
00:44:55
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Blair Witch Project is an amazing film. I watch it about every, if not every year, every other year. And the ending is fine because it's not about the ending. It's about the ride to get there. It's creepy because you don't ever see, I like the movies where you don't necessarily see the, you feel it through the characters. And man, you feel it in this movie. And I was a teenager and I had just gotten my first video camera. I'm a film guy.
00:45:18
Speaker
Me and my friends did a movie called the James Dean Ghost Project of similar tones. This movie really hit me as a 16-year-old kid. I love it. Blair Witch Project all the way. All right, Sheena, you're up next. House of 1,000 Corpses down 2-0. Okay. I like House of 1,000 Corpses.
00:45:41
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There's nothing scarier to me than just like an absolutely like sociopathic, psychopathic family that are all just like living together, nesting together with like this just like, you know, just murderous mentality, right? Like, just like on, you know, Texas Chainsaw Massacre and freaking House of 1000 Corpses. Like that shit's just scary to me. Like all these people, like there's so many people in the house and they're all wanting to fucking kill you, right?
00:46:09
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in the worst way as possible. So I really love House of the Thousand Corps of Fists, but I got to go with Blair Witch Project, one, for cultural significance and two, yeah, just the innovation in that movie, just like the found footage and the way they marketed it and the way that, like Seth said, they had all the stuff set up to just really make you buy into the whole experience. Yeah, Blair Witch Project.
00:46:35
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Can I believe you guys listen and house of a thousand corpses was the first movie like Seth invited me over to his house You know when we were in high school and we were like, hey, let's watch a movie You know before Netflix and chill you had to go to the movie store and like, you know get a DVD and chill It was house of a thousand corpses Well, that was the first movie, you know and things turned out well, so it's it's got a special place in my heart clearly not you didn't pick it and
00:46:59
Speaker
It's not a good movie. It's not a matter of my favorites, dude. Yes. If I'm going to watch a movie, if I had to pick between watching the Blair Witch Project or House of 1000 Corpses, I'll probably pick House of 1000 Corpses just because it's more in my vein of like horror style, right? This bracket isn't about what my favorite movie is because a lot of my favorites aren't even on here, right? So yeah, I'm going with Blair Witch Project because we're picking, you know, the best scary film.
00:47:29
Speaker
Oh, man, that's disappointing. I really love House of 1000 Corpses. Got its ass kicked. All right. Up next, Hawk, you're up first on this one. We got Children of the Corn. Going against a little Japanese whore inspired the Ring. This is the American version of it. But yeah, the Ring versus Children of the Corn. You're up first, Hawk.
00:47:47
Speaker
children in the corn by by a mile man I love this movie this is another big one for my childhood because a lot of the horror films looks I mean your kid you go rent some but a lot of them what's what's on it like USA at midnight and stuff cable yeah 11 o'clock midnight your kid and children in the corn was always on cable and man he who walks behind the rows
00:48:10
Speaker
And I'm from Indiana, so it hits more. I know, I know this movie cause he's in Nebraska. So there's actually that dread when you're a kid, when you're, cause it's all, I literally was in a town of like 2000 people surrounded by cornfields and, uh, Malachi and Isaac creepy as fuck. Yeah, I was guessing Malachi. And, uh, what was it against the ring? That's not even the ring. It's not even worth talking about.
00:48:38
Speaker
Oh my gosh. I see. I disagree. I thought the ring was so scary. In comparison to Told Another Corn. I like the ring. I mean, in comparison.
00:48:49
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Yes. It's just, there's just two totally different, it's just two totally different flavors of a pour. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, you know, if you've got like the cult of children of the corn and then you've just got the ring with this just absolutely terrifying. I mean, it really is two different types. It's Stephen King against Japanese horror. Yeah. I was never a big fan of like the Japanese horror trend that was really in vogue in, you know, the mid 2000s. The ring was super scary to me. Just, I mean,
00:49:18
Speaker
I don't know if it was the way that it was shot. It was just all kind of like dark and gray and you know, Japanese looking. But yeah, when she crawls out of that TV, that literally sent freakin like chills up my spine more than anything that I ever saw in Children of the Corn. So that the ring scared me more. So I'm going with the ring.
00:49:38
Speaker
I mean, I think the little, like the tape that they had to watch on the ring was pretty creepy, but the rest of the movie was like, it was whatever. It was slow and kind of plotting and like, yes, but dude, the parts that were scary were really fucking scary. Children of the Corn was awesome though. I still roll with it. Malachi, you know, that's, that's always been a creepy name ever since then. You know, you look at freaking Malachi Black in AW. Of course, you know, he was, had to have been inspired by Children of the Corn with, uh, with that name. So yeah, I go Children of the Corn. Jordan, you're up next, man. We got a battle going. Children of the Corn up two to one on the ring.
00:50:09
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I just, uh, I love children of the corn Hawks, right? Man, I was surrounded by corn fields in your child of the corn in my city. That's like the 40th biggest city in the United States. I know people think I just live in the middle of a cornfield, but
00:50:25
Speaker
uh, surprise. I don't like, I mean, it's not their city slickers, dude. It's not, it's not a tiny city that I live in guys. Like I know it's funny to joke about it, but yeah, I just like children of the corn better. I mean, the ring, I remember watching it the first time and just thinking, man, this is a,
00:50:42
Speaker
different kind of movie and just being creeped out by it but I do children the corn is just so good to me like I even like the shitty ones like the the the farther it gets down the series I still like those movies I just I don't know I have a soft spot for me it's cool all right we got six matchups left to go let's take a quick pause for the cause and have a drink and then we'll we'll get back at it
00:51:17
Speaker
Who's having a respiratory event? Hog just hit a puff puff pass. So this is the weekly beverage break where we talk about what drop for the smoke break. Yeah, what we are sipping over course, you know, what are you drinking?
00:51:37
Speaker
I'm drinking an ice cold, a glass of salted raw milk with a drizzle of maple syrup. Oh my God. And. Fucking disgusting. Either from a fucking horror episode you couldn't have went outside. Listen, no, listen, I blended in a little bit of organic pumpkin puree to make it seasonal and put a little cinnamon in there. No, the only way I would have been seasonal is if there was alcohol in it. A little bit on the edge there, Sheena.
00:52:03
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't know how long we were gonna go so I'm not trying to go too far off the beaten path I'm just making a Miller white, you know, keeping it keeping it light Jordan, what are you drinking man?
00:52:12
Speaker
I am drinking an American IPA. It is out of somewhere in Iowa. I don't fucking know. I can't read this can. Whatever. It's it's Mardo brewing company. It the name of the beer is Rod the well man. So it's, it's 7.2. Good beer. I like a good American IPA. So I just went with
00:52:36
Speaker
Kind of a more mild beer. I didn't go with a 9.6 tonight like I usually do. Yeah, I figured we were going to break out some kind of crazy Halloween-inspired stout. That's next week. All right. Marco, what are you drinking? I am actually sipping on the Halloween-inspired stout, which I did on the last show we did, which is the Warlock Imperial Pumpkin Stout, the old 8.6 alcohol volume. So yeah. Nice.
00:53:05
Speaker
Hawk, are you drinking or are you just smoking, dude? I got some wine I'm drinking on Cabernet Sauvignon out of Chile. A little box wine. I like it. No, it's a bottle, but it's a twist off. It's not a cork. I knew you were going to say it was a twist off, dude. I had feelings. Seven dollars. But you know what? Back in the day, that would have been a signal like, don't buy it. But today, a lot of good wines are turning to the twist off.
00:53:31
Speaker
So that's a fact. Yeah, it's it's becoming it's becoming more trendy to have a twist top. But yeah, I do love a good caps out. It's yeah, good stuff. But then I got a nice glass of a Mennonite apple cider. All natural. Delicious. All natural. Love good apple cider deed. All right, yet another Stephen King. Yeah, this is the second time we've gone back to back on Stephen King entries on here. And we got Carrie going up against the conjuring. She know you're first.
00:54:00
Speaker
Um, okay. So Carrie is, I think it's, you know, upheld as like one of the, the better horror movie, or I guess not better, but more iconic horror movies just because of like the Carrie scene. However, to me, it doesn't hold up, um, over the years. Like, I just feel like it doesn't really, you know, doesn't have that long standing effect. So I'm going to, I'm going to go with the conjuring, dude. Cause the conjuring is pretty damn scary.
00:54:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not really like hard up on the entire like conjuring cinematic universe. They basically have one at this point. But I do think that first one was really, really good. And same carry like it's still it's still like a fun story, but it doesn't really hold up to me as like a really good scary movie. So conjuring is my pick Jordan.
00:54:45
Speaker
man, I didn't think this was gonna go this way. I'm actually going the conjuring as well. Like, dude, I just, I don't know, man, Carrie just that movie never did it for me yet. Yeah, it does have like the one of the most cinematic scenes when she's covered in blood. But I don't know, dude, that movie just does nothing for me at this point. I re watched it a couple years ago. And I don't understand why I liked that movie at any point in my life.
00:55:13
Speaker
Was I think that's another one kind of like the Exorcist my mom really hyped it up as being like a scary movie She really liked so and I love my mom best mom ever But I think as a kid hearing that it just kind of like predispose me to think like alright. This is gonna be fucking lame Yeah Hawk Marco any any love for Carrie before we better do Yeah, one of the greatest horror films of all time Brian De Palma's
00:55:37
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One of my favorite directors of all time. And man, the final sequence of that movie, and I watch this like every year, because it's a clinic in filmmaking, the final scene where she's actually, you know, she gets the pig blood on her because Brian De Palma drops the sound out, it gets totally silent. And he just starts doing insert shots of like he follows the rope up to the bucket.
00:55:59
Speaker
and then he does little insert shots of someone's under the stairs watching, shoots the crowd. It's just a perfect movie. And Sissy Spacek for me, the reason I'm not married is because I can't marry Sissy Spacek circa 1975.
00:56:15
Speaker
I like, that's the hottest little thing Hollywood's ever produced. There's so much to love about Carrie. I don't hate The Conjuring. I think it's the greatest horror film of the 21st century. But man, Carrie's iconic. I gotta go Carrie, I love it.
00:56:47
Speaker
other people in the room. I gotta be by myself. Of course. Yeah. Candles lit. All that stuff again. Yeah. Sissy's basic was born on Christmas day, dude. Her and Jesus share a birthday. So, you know. She's divine. But one more thing I want to mention about Carrie is, so the opening shot is the opening credit sequence is a slow motion shot. And Brian De Palma, it's supposed to be a girls' high school locker room. So they're all 18 or under.
00:57:01
Speaker
All right. Bye bye, Kerry, man. Watch, you know, make sure, don't let Hawk put a blanket over his lap. He's watching Kerry.
00:57:14
Speaker
and everyone's completely naked. It's a full frontal credit scene, like, hey, it's just a 70s bush in your face. Oh, I was gonna say the bush was, yeah. Well, it's insane because it's supposed to be a high school girl. So it's this weird thing that they got away with in the 70s that you would never get away with now. Oh, no. Definitely. All right, up next, we got another, you know, kind of a mismatch on paper.
00:57:41
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Hi, I'm Chucky, and I'm your friend to the end. Hidey ho. Hi, I like to be hugged. Hi, I'm Chucky wanna play? Hi, I'm Tommy. Shut up, you idiot. Surprise. Did you miss me, Andy? I sure missed you. Hi, I'm Chucky wanna play?
00:58:10
Speaker
We got the iconic Chucky of the original Child's Play going up against Hannibal Lecter and Silence of the Lamb. So I'm up first on this one. Silence of the Lamb's definitely the better movie, but kind of like the same thing I said about The Shining. I don't really consider it a true horror. I think it's more of like a psychological thriller. And Child's Play was like my movie, man. Like if you just told me scary movie, first thing popping in my head is Child's Play. My parents, for some reason, let me watch it.
00:58:35
Speaker
I hadn't been like six years old, man. I couldn't have been much older than that because I remember being very young and being scared to death. Anytime I would hear some shuffling in the middle of the night, I was thinking it was, all right, Chucky's found me. He's at my house. He's about to kill me. This movie just terrified me for a solid three or four years. So thanks for that, Mom and Dad. I go child's play all the way, man. I love that movie. Jordan, you're up next.
00:59:00
Speaker
I love child's play, but dude, silence of the lambs is like one of the, like, it's just, it's so good. I mean, Hawk's going to be able to break this down a lot better than I am. Cause I'm not like a, a film buff. I don't like watch all like the shots and how they shoot every scene. But dude, just the scene where he's talking about eating her liver with some fava beans and a nice key auntie. Like, I don't know, man. I love this movie. I watch it every year. So I'm going silence of the lambs.
00:59:31
Speaker
Marco. Man, I'm going to have to side with Seth on this one. I'm going child's play. Just that clip that you played. I always think of that clip where he has his human voice. He's like, I'm Chuckie. And it's like, want to play. And he changes into the, that right there is a toy voice. That was giving you the chills right there.
00:59:55
Speaker
Yeah, I do love Silence of the Lambs. Obviously, it's one of the greatest movies ever made. You can't deny that. I'll put Seth on. It really is, to me, more of a psychological thriller than a scary movie. It's a suspense. It has a lot of suspense. Not really scary.
01:00:15
Speaker
Without you obviously Buffalo Bill with the you know, you know solution on the skin He wasn't really scary to me he's just a creep pretty much That that loved women. I don't see anything scary about that. He just had a love for women and uh, yeah, I'm going with child's play
01:00:38
Speaker
Yeah, I put Silence of the Lambs closer to something like 7, you know what I mean? And I don't think 7 is like a scary movie, so... I don't know. And I just, I love Child's Play. I do love Silence of the Lambs. It's one of my favorite movies ever, but it's Child's Play for me. Alright, Chucky's got Hannibal Lecter on the ropes and a big upset man out of his weight class up 2-1. You're up next.
01:00:57
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think Silence of the Lambs is really a horror film, but it is one of the greatest movies of all time. It's a clinic in filmmaking from script all the way to editing. It's a perfect film. Hannibal Lecter is an iconic character. But Child's Play is pretty underrated. The first one especially, they do it really because, and there's been a few doll movies that came out in the 80s that are silly. So there's a really fine line when you're making a movie about a killer doll.
01:01:23
Speaker
Are you gonna be corny or is it gonna be good? I think the original child's play does a good job And actually the first two sequels part two and three are pretty good But once the movies start becoming like bride of Chucky see the Chucky cult. They're terrible. Yeah, I'm watching it became almost more like I mean I still enjoy them, but I kind of looked at it I watch those more like horror comedies instead of like straight like scary movies, you know, but yeah, they're definitely went off of it They totally changed the tone big time after the first three. I
01:01:49
Speaker
I'm going to pick Child's Play because it's a horror film, but I'll say Silence of the Lambs is the superior movie. Of course. All right, Sheen Dogg, you got anything to say about Silence of the Lambs as Chucky pulls off the upset and sends Hannibal packing? No, I totally agree with Hawk and you and everybody who picked Child's Play that, yeah, Silence of the Lambs is the superior movie, but Child's Play is more iconic and it's definitely more relevant in my childhood, in my horror fandom.
01:02:19
Speaker
All right, matchup of two older movies. We got Evil Dead going up against The Thing. Jordan, you're up first. Damn. I really didn't want to go first on this one. Let Hot go first on this one. All right, go for it, Hot. What's the matchup? I'm sorry, missed it. Evil Dead versus The Thing. Oh, The Thing.
01:02:38
Speaker
John Carpenter. I like The Thing better than I like Halloween, but I actually think The Fog's John Carpenter's best film. That's probably just a me thing. But The Thing is, man, Kurt Russell in the 80s, there's not a whole lot better than Kurt Russell and John Carpenter teaming up. I think The Thing's one of the greatest horror films of all time. What's it going up against?
01:03:03
Speaker
I'm a fucking idiot. Evil Dead. Evil Dead. I like Evil Dead. I think Evil 2. Evil Dead 2 is a superior film. And I think it was pretty bold because Sam Raimi remade his own film like five years later. And he literally just remade it. And I think he did better with the remake. But the thing because it's one of the greatest horror films of all time. All right, back to you, Jordan. Yeah, I'm gonna go the thing as well. Like I was
01:03:33
Speaker
I was really leaning the thing and I was like, God, dude, am I doing evil data disservice here? Um, yeah, I'm going to go think it is a great movie. And I do like evil that a lot, though. I liked both of those first two movies quite a bit. So this was a tough one for me, but I'm going to go with the thing. All right, Marco, the thing up to on evil dead.
01:03:56
Speaker
I'm going to go with the thing. I'm a current Russell Mark, man. Like Hawk said, all the movies that they've teamed up to do, John Carpenter, obviously, Snake Pliskin, but they escaped from New York and escaped from LA. Big trouble in little China.
01:04:15
Speaker
make trouble a little China as well. And it's the thing is that that's another one of those movies where it's, it's kind of like ahead of its time, in a sense, where just a just a special effects of that movie as well.
01:04:30
Speaker
The just a story by itself isn't isn't particular for that type of would not that type. Sorry that that time frame That it was made in 80s And I don't know. I just I just love that movie. Like I said, I'm a current wrestler mark So I'm gonna go I'm gonna go where wherever he goes I'm gonna go if deathproof was on this on this list or this tournament heat that would get I
01:04:55
Speaker
So we could have put that on the list because we could have but but yeah I Like the thing a lot, but I just loved all the practical effects on Evil Dead I'm a sucker for You know practical effects and that's something Sam Raimi's always been big on you know later stuff You you're talking about practical effects and you say Evil Dead when the thing is literally a
01:05:24
Speaker
The thing has like credit for being the film with the best. I did. But Sam, he's got like the oozy, the goo, all that stuff. I just loved his style. You know, I was going to say even like his later movies like drag me to hell.
01:05:38
Speaker
He still kept that thing going, man. I just, I love Evil Dead. That's what I think. I mean, I know the thing was like super cool and everything, but Evil Dead is like, it's kind of the same as like, I think of it in the same vein as like killer clowns and stuff as far as practical special effects go. So it would have been my pick, man. You're comparing the thing to killer clowns from outer space. Killer clowns was awesome. That's the best movie. There's one movie that should have been on this. It should have been killer clowns. Yeah, we blew it.
01:06:05
Speaker
Man, the special effects in Evil Dead just don't compare to the thing, but whatever. Everyone's allowed their own opinion, I guess. It's all subjective.
01:06:16
Speaker
All right, up next we got kind of the spiritual successor to Blair Witch Project, Paranormal Activity, going up against a movie that didn't even get a theatrical release, but has become really one of the more popular modern horror movies just off of word of mouth, Trick or Treat, Marco, you're up first. Oh man, why would you do this to me? What was it again? It was Trick or Treat and Paranormal Activity. I do. You know what, I wasn't a big fan of the Paranormal,
01:06:45
Speaker
series, like the whole... Yeah, I wasn't really a big fan of it. Not a big fan of the paranormal. I'm going to go with trick or treat.
01:06:56
Speaker
A bad for me, it's a better movie. Um, it's, it's Halloween. It's scary. And, uh, we already gave away the ending of it. There's werewolves in it. So Hawk, this should be an easy pick for you. Um, it has boobs and werewolves in, um, in, in tiny, scary, uh, people trying to kill somebody. But, um, yeah, no, I'm going with trick or treat. I'm not a paranormal person. All right, Hawk, you're up next.
01:07:25
Speaker
Yeah trick-or-treat. I didn't see the first paranormal activity until last year that I bought the first two and I'm not real high on them honestly at all. So it's not even close trick-or-treat. But trick-or-treat's all right. I don't love it either. There are certain vignettes that I like better than other ones. I like the Anna Paquin.
01:07:45
Speaker
The werewolf, the werewolves, the scene around, uh, you know, the orgy werewolves around the fire is pretty great. Uh, in general, uh, it's not one of my favorites, but I'll go with trick or treat because I like the vibe of the film because the thing to know about it's crazy with horror films that we watch them during October, but there's not a lot of horror films that take place on Halloween. Yeah. They have a good vibe. So I do like that.
01:08:15
Speaker
I love the Halloween vibe. Yeah. Oh, so I guess it's going right into me. Yeah. So that I'm definitely going trick or treat on this one. Paranormal activity was cool. I thought, you know, like again, the found footage was neat. Um, but trick or treat the whole vibe. I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood like that my whole life where everybody just like goes all out and there's like, you know, shrub rows, like little suburban neighborhood with the old houses. Like, yeah, I just, um,
01:08:40
Speaker
The Halloween vibes in that are incredible. I love Sam. I love the little anthology story. It's all kind of woven together to make a movie. Yeah, it's a trick or treat for me all the way. I watch it every year.
01:08:55
Speaker
Yeah, I love trick or treat. It makes you feel like Halloween when you watch it. It's got an awesome aesthetic. Pernormal activity was cool, watching it in the theaters because you remember it had the viral thing going too. They kind of like dripped it out across the country. It was like a big deal whenever it finally made it to your city because it didn't have a whole lot of previews and stuff.
01:09:15
Speaker
Um, but that's one that it's like, it's a one and done, right? Like you never, I don't think that's a movie anybody's ever going to watch. I think we may have watched it once on DVD or something like that after the fact, but yeah, we went to the movies and then.
01:09:28
Speaker
Yeah, trigger cheat moves on in a clean sweep. All right, we have our only miniseries of the tournament here. The 1990 version of Stephen King's it man.
Stephen King's Influence and Mini-series Adaptations
01:09:40
Speaker
Stephen King, we should have just had a whole Stephen King bracket on this thing. It going up against Poltergeist. Hawk, you're up first.
01:09:48
Speaker
So those Stephen King mini series of the early 90s, that was my childhood. My stepmom loved them. She read a lot of Stephen King. So I witnessed Pennywise in 1990, I think it was, as an eight year old kid. And it's actually one of the more, even though it's made for TV, it's one of the more terrifying things to lay on a kid of eight years old, I think. Yeah. 100%.
01:10:12
Speaker
Tim Curry's Pennywise. To this day, it's way better than the kid who just played Pennywise. It's so much better. Yeah, the Scars Guard kid. I like Poltergeist. I like Toby Hooper.
01:10:25
Speaker
But man, I don't know. It's tough because poltergeist is it's a classic film, but that's one of those films that it's like, is that a horror film? Sure. It's a haunted house, but it gets kind of whimsy whimsical. There's that Spielberg touch to it. So it doesn't go. It's almost like an ET. Yes. Closer to like an ET vibe than a true scary movie. Yeah. So fuck. It's poltergeist versus what was the first one again?
01:10:50
Speaker
We went on and on about how scary it was dude styling grace man, you need the drop All right, sheena yeah, I'm going with I'm going with it too I think Pennywise is definitely more You know terrifying than anything that happened to Carol Anne
01:11:11
Speaker
I gotta go poltergeist, dude. I get what you guys are saying about it. It's not 100% as much of a horror film as the IT miniseries was, but I really thought poltergeist was cool. I liked poltergeist, yeah. If I was sent down right now and I had the choice of both of them on streaming, I think I'm going for poltergeist over IT, so I'll go poltergeist. It's like eight hours if you're watching it, so of course.
01:11:33
Speaker
I have to tell you guys kind of a fucked up story. I'll make my pick first. And then I got to tell you guys a story. So I'm picking it because I love this movie. I fought for it to be in this tournament because I think it's worthy of being in there. All right. So I was like, I think I was eight years old. It sounds about right. And I had some friends over stay the night and stuff. And we had a friend that we always knew got up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. So we watched that movie before we all went to bed.
01:12:02
Speaker
And then me and my other friends dumped red Kool-Aid in the sink.
01:12:06
Speaker
And he got up in the middle of the night, dude, it traumatized him for like five years. I felt so fucking bad after it. It was bad. He screamed so fucking loud that he woke like everyone in my house up and my mom was so pissed at us. Like, I think I don't think that is some shit some little kids would do. Yeah, it was fucked up. But yeah, I just I love it. It's just it's such a good movie. So our mini series, whatever you want to call it. You don't tell him what you did in our neighborhood in Hawaii for Halloween that one year.
01:12:36
Speaker
Yeah. The remake of it had just come out. It's 2017. Yeah, 2017. It was Halloween time and everybody was talking about it and Pennywise and everything. I went around to every drain. It's on Halloween Eve. Halloween Eve under the cover of darkness and went around every drain in our neighborhood and tied a red balloon to every drain. When everybody woke up that morning, all the kids, all the
01:13:02
Speaker
Parents and everything they woke up and they were like all posting on the Facebook pages like oh my god You know so yeah, I thought that was that was one of my my better Prank situations as lame as it sounds no Hawaii needs that cuz I was in Hawaii for Halloween two years ago, and they try but it's tough It's tough to really capture the Halloween vibe over there
01:13:25
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Halloween, it is hard. So we lived in- You were there during the pandemic also. Oh, you were there during the pandemic. Halloween was a pretty big deal. It was a big deal. And we lived in an awesome military neighborhood where everybody went all out, like, you know, all the decorations on the houses and everything. It is weird when you're celebrating, like, I'm not complaining, because, you know, celebrating Christmas on the beach was never a bad thing. But like, it is hard to get into the Halloween spirit when like, you know, none of the leaves aren't changing colors. Yeah, it's all green and lush outside. It's warm. There's like, you know, trade winds coming through.
01:13:55
Speaker
Um, it's it definitely doesn't give you the same the same vibe So one thing I am happy about being back on the mainland is getting to experience fall again All right, last matchup
Debate: Is 'Jaws' a Horror Film?
01:14:06
Speaker
of the first round. This is another one that marco pushed hard to uh to get in the tournament We got saw going up against jaws back-to-back entries for uh for spielberg Nice iteration too shina. You're up first saw versus jaws. Um
01:14:24
Speaker
So again, here we are saying, like, is Jaws really a horror movie? I mean, yes, the, you know. I wanna ask the same thing about Saw, dude. Saw's, I mean, so culturally, Saw kind of kicked off the torture porn, you know, genre of movies. The original Saw was good with the twists and turns. However, I feel like it's gonna be a victim of its like 25 remakes that are gonna like weigh it down.
01:14:51
Speaker
Um, and it's going to kind of get lost in the shuffle jaws. However, I feel like you could watch jaws right now and then you could go to the, go to the beach and you would still have a little bit of trepidation about getting in, getting in the water, you know, um, and shouts out to those guys, like they shot, they legitimately shot that on the water, which, I mean, think about women was jaws like 1970 or late seventies.
01:15:14
Speaker
Yeah, 1975, dude, they shot it on the fucking water. Yeah, pretty nuts. And they and they had animatronic fucking shark that they couldn't hardly get to work, which is why they like came up with that, you know, the score of the, you know, and just kind of gave you this overwhelming, overwhelming sense of dread throughout the film. So I'm gonna go with Jaws, dude. I feel like it's, it's a more significant film than than saw. Yeah, I
01:15:43
Speaker
I probably gotta go Jaws, dude. I don't love that pic, man. I feel like there's a lot of other scary movies I probably would have wanted to include instead of this one, but you know, we got Jaws in the field. I'm gonna go, I'll give Jaws a, you know, orange Cassie style thumbs up and let it go past Saw. Jordan, you're up.
01:16:02
Speaker
So I kind of like both of these movies equally. Um, and I can't have saw just get clean sweep. So, um, and I do love the original saw. I love Jaws as well, man. Jaws when I was a kid had me terrified to go on any body of water. So.
01:16:17
Speaker
Yeah, like in the swimming pool, like, holy shit, there could be sharks in here. But the first time I saw the movie saw it was just, I mean, like Sheena said, it was it was the original like gore movie. So I'm gonna go saw just because I don't want to get clean sweep. So yes, saw a significant date. I there's no doubt.
01:16:40
Speaker
Alright, Marco, here you go, dude. You can have your love fest. Tell us why you laid on Saw, dude. I'm not too keen on the narratives that are going on. It was pretty much, we'll pull the curtain. Hey, who wants to vote this movie in? Yay or nay? And then a couple of people picked.
01:16:57
Speaker
And that's how it went. And it wasn't like, please put Soren. Oh my god, he needs to be in it. It's such a masterpiece. That did not happen. So I want to make that clear. In the group text, Marco was like, can we put Soren? And everybody was kind of polite and ignored it. And then like two minutes later, he was like, hey, guys, what do you think about Soren? And then finally, he's like, guys, I really want Soren. It's like, all right, fine. Marco put Soren the tournament. We're going to have to screen clip a lot of these shots. I'm not doing it in public.
01:17:26
Speaker
Yeah, he walks dead. He's going to see him punk on us. What's the guy's name? The tricycle guy? The jigsaw? Jigsaw, yeah. Jigsaw, yeah. Jigsaw Mark. So it's going to be blasphemy going against Jaws since it's in Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts. And I know a lot of older people that were actually extras in that movie.
01:17:54
Speaker
in the beach scenes and stuff like that. So it is kind of blasphemy, but it's in the same vein as Saw where it's not... I mean, you could say it's a horror movie, but...
01:18:07
Speaker
Um, it really isn't, it's more of a suspense type of movie. Um, so I'm going with, uh, uh, over, over Jaws. Hey, also we're, we're not calling the tricycle guy jigsaw. His name is Billy, just so we're aware. So let's not, let's not, I'm sorry. I guess, I guess they covered that in like, you know, part 14 of Billy.
01:18:32
Speaker
Like the games that they had set up, that Jigsaw set up throughout the movie. Like that's innovative stuff, man. You never seen that before. My favorite theory is that Kevin McAllister grew up to be Jigsaw. That was my absolute favorite fan theory. He actually kind of confirmed it. Macaulay Culkin, did you see that when he was on? They used on Jimmy Fallon. Of course he was. I'm still rolling with it.
01:18:57
Speaker
Yeah, that's me. We saved the best for last. This is the, it's the last matchup of the first round. It's the first one to actually make it to game five. You get to get a vote. No, that's what I'm saying. He's hyping you up, bro. I'm hyping it up, bro. Yeah, it's two. This is the first one.
01:19:14
Speaker
No, this is the last one is the only one that made it to the fifth and deciding vote in hawk you get to decide dude What's what's it gonna be saw or jaws their fate rests
Influence of 'Saw' and Torture Porn Genre
01:19:22
Speaker
in your hands? Okay, so jaws is one of the greatest movies of all time. Not just a horror I mean, I guess you could call it a whore saw that's barely a horror movie too and I was talking to chat about this because everyone thinks Saul kicked off this torture porn and
01:19:36
Speaker
genre, but if you watch the first saw, it's not torture porn at all. It's very subdued. Maybe the sequels got there. But the first one, because even things like the the big mask they put on her head where it's like going to split her jaw open.
01:19:52
Speaker
they don't like to show that stuff or anything yeah so but still it was so psychologically like just unthinkable like the things that they were doing to people like even if they didn't show it because wasn't didn't hostel come out like right like soon after this like it came out before the sequel to jaw or movies like that showed it that's torture poor yeah green inferno stuff like that which is awful i don't like those at all
01:20:14
Speaker
But it's all and I saw it the theater when it first came out and I just watched it again Since then like a week ago. I hadn't seen it in 20 years. It's not a terrible movie. I don't hate it It's tough though because neither one of them both of them could be classified as other films than horror yeah, and I just don't yeah, and I know I put something over Silence of the Lambs because It was a different genre, but I think I have to go with jaws on this one as opposed to Saul just because
01:20:43
Speaker
Neither one of them are really horror films, and Jaws is the way better movie. But I don't hate Saul, but I'm going to go Jaws. Hawk, what would you say is the movie that started the torture porn type of thing, if you were to ballpark? I'd have to look at dates to ballpark it, but have you seen this movie inside, this horror film from the 2000s?
01:21:09
Speaker
I know the cover art, I've seen it, but I haven't watched the movie. Movies like that, that's torture porn, where it's like you can't even hardly watch it. It's just so brutal. But the hostels, I don't like, those are there. And I think the Saw franchise goes to torture porn eventually, but I don't think the first one is.
01:21:29
Speaker
But you don't think it inspired those films to just – since they were like, oh shit, look what Saw did. They went there with the ideology and now we're just going to take it and just freaking go with it and really go there. Yeah, they had planted the seeds, but again, I don't consider that movie the birth of it, even if it did plant the seed for it.
01:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I remember I went to I went to the movies and saw hostile and I had to watch it like between my fingers and I am a very I mean, like I said, I've been watching scary spooky stuff slashers and everything for most of my life. And yeah, that I had to watch that. Just like one eye open. All right, that's a wrap for the first round. We got our sweet 16 set. Shane, do we got some listener mail? Oh, yeah.
01:22:16
Speaker
Oh, we don't have a listener mail drop. Okay. All right. Let's just go right into it. So Ari said, what's the most underrated scary movie you would recommend? And I'm so happy you guys are doing this. Can't wait to listen. Shouts out again to Ari for the idea of while we're all here sitting down doing this.
01:22:31
Speaker
I think one of my picks would be Slither. It's kind of like a horror comedy, but it was from the early 2000s. People don't know about that movie. Yeah, it was a James Gunn movie, you know, Guardians of the Galaxy fame. Again, a lot of practical effects. I just, I really thought that was a super fun movie, man. Have you guys seen Slither? Yeah. I own it.
01:22:53
Speaker
Yeah, we owned it for a while. I think we owned it on HD DVD before that. That tells you anything.
Underrated Horror Film Recommendations
01:23:03
Speaker
Anybody else got any underrated horror movies that you wanted to give a shout out to? I'm not sure if it's really a horror movie, but session nine scary movie. Yeah. Has anyone ever seen that session nine? It's about the it's a very hot. Have you seen it? I haven't. No.
01:23:21
Speaker
2001, it was made. It's about the it's about an abandoned insane asylum. And these like a bit asbestos workers go in and, you know, kind of clean it. And they end up finding these like tapes of this, one of the patients in this insane asylum. And as they start listening to it, crazy shit starts happening in the place. So yeah, definitely go check that out. If you haven't seen it's called, they said session nine. That's the name of it. All right, hot.
01:23:49
Speaker
Uh, well the holy trinity of werewolf films I have to rep the howling american werewolf in london and silver bullet definitely Uh, man, there's so many good ones that aren't even on the list like sleep away camp Have you guys seen that? Oh, yeah and man the movie itself's not amazing but the final shot of the movie And you can actually google final shot of sleep away camp and see what i'm talking about But don't do it watch the movie. It'll pop it. It'll pop you hard
01:24:19
Speaker
But man, I can go on. There's so many, but I'm just going to stick with repping the werewolf movies that we left off.
01:24:26
Speaker
Nice.
Childhood Fears and Scary Movies
01:24:28
Speaker
Johnny JB, what was the movie that terrified you as a child? For me, it was Freddy Krueger. Well, for me, like I said before, Pet Sematary was definitely the one, and Zelda specifically was the one that just really stuck with me. I don't know what it was about the imagery or the story or what, but that movie just terrified me as a kid. I was always afraid I was gonna walk up into my upstairs bedroom and there was gonna be Zelda standing in the corner and she was just gonna whip around and you know.
01:24:56
Speaker
Yeah, for me, it was definitely Chucky. Like my mom and dad still tease me about being scared of Chucky as a kid. Oh, yeah. Chucky. Chucky. I had a my little buddy. So like, uh, when I was a kid. So, yeah, my buddy. Yeah, it was. Yeah. My buddy. So my buddy was the real version. Yeah. That was like the closest thing. Yeah, dude. That shit terrified me. That thing would come alive at night. My buddy. Sure. Uh, Hawk, did you have any that were a childhood scared you?
01:25:25
Speaker
It's a werewolf, dude. Let's see. No, we'll just get out of the way. It was actually attacked by a werewolf. No. I wouldn't know. One of my earliest memories we talked about it was Freddy Krueger. But do you guys ever have those movies where you were a kid and the imagery was terrifying, but you can never remember what the movie is. You're never going to know. And then later on in your life, you see it. You're like, holy fuck, that's the movie I couldn't remember my whole entire life. Yeah. So there was this movie called
01:25:54
Speaker
Altered States by Ken Russell, it came out in 1980. But when I was a kid, there was this scene of like this man beast eating a sheep in a field. And it terrified the fuck out of me. And it stuck with me. And I went 30 years and I'm like, I'm never gonna know what that movie is. And then I came across Ken Russell's Altered States. And that's the movie. So that movie for my childhood kind of terrified me.
01:26:20
Speaker
All right, Marco, you got a movie that terrified you and then we'll move on. Just Pet Sematary, the first one. Yeah, Pet Sematary is fucking scary, dude. It still creeps me out. Yeah, it's an eerie storyline to begin with. And then, yeah, just how it all plays out on film is really spooky. If you could make a remake of any scary movie, what would it be?
Preferences for Horror Remakes
01:26:45
Speaker
Hawk, what would you remake any scary movie?
01:26:49
Speaker
Modern times there's very many like to be remade. I know they've all been remade If the movie is great don't remake it so you should be remaking Shitty horror films. Yeah, you know, so I actually don't have any examples because I just don't think you should remake horror films But like I'll give you that little theory of mine is you're gonna remake a horror film remake the shitty ones Not the good ones. Yeah
01:27:19
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I agree with that. Brian Vermeer, as someone that doesn't like or watch horror, what are your must-watches? I do like Scream and I know what you did last summer, but that's about as scary as I can handle. I think you would be good with Trick or Treat, dude. I think Trick or Treat would be a good movie, especially this time of year, to watch. It's not super duper scary. Yeah, it's in that same vein. Killer Clowns.
01:27:44
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Killer Clowns from Outer Space, I think is a good one. Also the, oh my gosh, what was the trilogy that we just watched? Fear Street. Fear Street would be a good one for you too. Yeah, I think it's, I mean, it's kind of scary and it's got a little bit of, it's got some serious gore, but yeah, I think you can handle it. Zach Hertzler, what scary movie do you want to watch but haven't had time to watch yet?
01:28:09
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I guess mid-summer was the most recent one that we were like, oh, we should watch that. And then we were like, oh yeah, it's two hours, not happening, bro. So there's no reason. I don't know what the, this trend of like movies having to be like freaking four hours long is just absolutely unnecessary. Like let's get back, hour and 30 minutes is like pre-modey. That's like right in the sweet spot. Hour 45 is like max, but yeah, two hours plus is doing the most and I don't fucking like it, so.
01:28:39
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You can see me mouse had any... Yeah. Jump in, Marco. Anybody had anything on your watch list? You haven't got time to watch yet, Jordan, Marco? No, nothing on my side. I know there's a new VHS movie that just came out. About to watch that. Is it every on part four now? Have we watched all three? We watched the first three, yeah. Yeah, it's set in the 80s, I believe, again. I can't wait for that one.
01:29:07
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I think there's a movie on, I think it's Apple TV that somebody was talking about the other day to me. It's called talk to me. It's a horror movie. It's made by like some Australian dudes and somebody said it's really good. So we'll, we'll probably try to watch that before Halloween. Well, Jordan, obviously you don't listen to the broken VCR cause we did talk to me, dude. Was it good? It was all right.
01:29:30
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Chad liked it more than I do. I man. I'm Pretty shitty when it comes to new horror films. I'm maybe overly harsh on them So I'm not the person to talk to but it was entertaining It's where you'll like it because you like because you put over some of the newer films over some of the classics So you'll probably love it Have you seen have you seen barbarian speaking of newer horror movies? I haven't not even heard of it. I
01:29:54
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It's pretty cool. It's on HBO Max here and now it's pretty good. We watched that and then we watched Hellbender. That was the two modern ones we watched most recently. Well, we watched Get Out and Us. Get Out is good. Yeah, I mean, those are like five, six years old at this point. I mean, that's still pretty new, dude. That's new to Sheendog. That's new to me. New to Sheendog, yeah. Most people, that's modern nostalgia. Oh, shoot. All right.
01:30:23
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Uh, oh, favorite horror franchise from Zach Hertzler. Um, favorite horror franchise. There's so many that I like. Um, I'm going to go Halloween. Like I, I just love Halloween. I mean, Michael Myers, aren't that bad. Yeah. I think, you know, they, they, there's a lot to get a harsh criticism, but I think you can enjoy it regardless. You know,
01:30:51
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I'll go scream. It definitely gets a little scooby-dooish, man, but in addition to some of the good kills and scares, I always get a chuckle out of the way that they somehow managed to tie everything together. This guy's freaking stepmoms, twin sister, whatever, and bring it back. I'll go scream for my all-time favorite. I'll go franchise. I'll go Friday the 13th.
01:31:15
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Not because Jason's my favorite character, but it actually has the best lineage. Because no matter what horror franchise you're dealing with, a lot of the lineage gets screwed up. They disregard things that happen. They add things that never happen. All kinds of weird stuff. But Friday the 13th, even if you don't like all the movies, with the exception, I think it's part four, where Jason, it's a copycat killer. It's at four or five. Where it's not really, he wears a hockey mask, but it's not Jason. It ends up being somebody posing.
01:31:46
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But other than that, the lineage holds up. So as far as lineage goes, I'll go Friday the 13th.
01:31:53
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Yeah, I'll have to go, I mean, as F'd up as the, speaking of like F'd up lineages, Nightmare on Elm Street, I would probably go with that even though like they get super campy and super, like Freddy gets super comedic. I've seen every Nightmare on Elm Street that's ever been out. And like I said, Freddy really kicked off my love of horror. So I'm gonna go with Nightmare on Elm Street. And Nightmare on Elm Street, part three might be the greatest horse sequel of all time.
01:32:20
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Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Cause the two, two was such a bastardization and then it like jumped into dream warriors and it was like, Oh yeah. Like now we're cooking with gas, dude. Like we're, we're, we're back.
01:32:33
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Yeah, I'm gonna go with Friday the 13th as well. And I believe, I think you're right, Hawk. I think it was like a, there was a copycat in five, and then part six, my favorite, is when he comes back to life. So he was dead in the fifth one, I believe. And then he gets struck by lightning in the sixth and comes back and kills everybody. So yeah.
01:32:58
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All right, and I'm going to leave our last question to our guest film student, Hawk.
Universal Monster Films and Special Effects
01:33:03
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You already know what he's going to say. From Tony Barker. No, I don't. Oh, that's true. I don't know what he's going to say. So yeah, let's just go ahead and get this out of the way so that, you know, of all the classic Universal studio monster movies from way back in the day, which film would be your favorite and why?
01:33:21
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What's hilarious is I just bought the Universal Monster films, the first 31. It's a sweet box set. I'm only 10 deep, but I've seen the first couple of Dracula's Frankenstein and Werewolf of London. And honestly, of all the original Universal Monster films, shockingly, The Invisible Man.
01:33:40
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the first invisible man. Because Dracula is not a horror film at all. And they didn't even market it as a horror film when it first came out. It was like a romance film. The imagery in Frankenstein is pretty cool. But man, the invisible man, the effects in that, they don't seem that aged. And it's actually a film that kind of keeps you on the edge of your seat. So invisible man.
01:34:04
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Awesome. Well, yeah, that was that was a little surprising werewolf in London wolf man. Yeah, I didn't think I know cuz I've just watched so like the first ten within the last month So they're right there on my mind you have you had seen them before though. Hadn't you Hawk? No, never I know at all I think I think the bride of Frankenstein is my favorite one. So I'm excited to hear your critique on that one. I
01:34:27
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This list that I just pulled up at Bride of Frankenstein was the number one. I love that movie. Was the number one rated. It's a good movie. But what's hilarious is the actual Bride of Frankenstein, the character you see with the big hair, she's in the film for like five seconds is that look. So it's weird how that it's an iconic character. Yeah, that's the iconic look.
01:34:51
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Interesting as I also think it's interesting that Hawk bought a like entire 31 series box set of the Universal movies That's pretty cool. I love Hawks fallout shelter. Do you the idea and I wish you posted on that more dude I always enjoyed, you know pop it on there and see what new stuff you've added. It's not right. Give it a show I need to Hawks fall out so I was every year I've done my top 31 films of
01:35:14
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Halloween I would do one every day, but I've just been, it's weird when I've been off work since February and the more you're off work, you feel like you'd get more done, but you're just turning into a lazy fuck and don't do anything. So I do need to start, I'm here with my collection right now. I should start, I'm gonna start posting on, you've inspired me, Hawksball shelter on Instagram, check it out. Yeah, we definitely love checking out all of these stuff. We'll put a link to Hawksball shelter in the show notes, so definitely check that out.
01:35:43
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All right. I want to remind you guys, support Ringside Collectibles. Use code CHICKFOLY for all of your wrestling figure purchases. Hawk, we're going to have you back next week for part two of the Chick Foley show, Scary Movie Showdown. I'm going to go ahead. And while we're here, plug Turnbuckle Tavern and Broken VCR. All right. Well, we got the flagship of Turnbuckle Tavern that drops every Thursday. I'm the best part of it. Call the Hawk segment. So if you need to don't have time to listen to the whole thing, fast forward to the end. I'm normally in the last half hour.
01:36:12
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Uh, we do a bunch of shows there, I guess. And then, uh, Broken VCR, where, uh, me and, uh, my co-host Chad, also of the Tavern, we talk about one film each week. This week we dropped, um, Fearless Vampire Killers, Polanski film from 1967. The film he met Sharon Tatum, which led to her death by massacre. Hmm. All right. On that note, Sheena hit us with some, uh, closing thoughts and we'll get out of here.
01:36:40
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Uh, watch some scary movies this week.